A couple extra points I should have made in the video - This is 100% made and Manufactured in Germany. The machine is also Hand Assembled and I did mention the ABS plastic - but - it also has a scratch resistant layer that is soft to the touch - and overall feels very premium - some folks have commented that it looks cheap - its def. NOT cheaply made. Also - it DOES fit in a typical Kallax shelf for storing when not using!
If I could spend a grand for an ultrasound record cleaner I wouldn't have to reuse cleaning solution. That said, I've had great results with a manual Vinyl Styl (the Knosti record clamp looks very much like the Vinyl Styl) and the Spin Clean solution. I also like the tactile aspects of manual cleaning. But I'm also the guy that grinds my own coffee beans and brews the pour over and French press methods. I appreciate that you showed the unit flooding your table. It could be a design flaw or material shortcoming that can't withstand shipping. Maybe they could ship the units with the plugs not installed. Great review! Honesty is always king!
That is a beautiful piece of machinery. I was hoping it wouldn't cost so much, so much that way I could possibly get one but being that I'm the sole provider, I'd have to save up. Great video brotha man, well deserved recognition your getting with all these products, and su subscribers. Much love to you
The price is a joke. 😂. Super cheap made, looks like they are taking advantage of the boomer and gen x . Who have the disposable income to spend on a bunch of plastic with a transducer.
I’ve been using Knosti cleaning products for years, absolutely top class quality! And i’m familiar with reusing solution fluid and none rinsing afterwards, works perfect for me, superclean vinyl records every time :)
I personally found with the Knosti DAS “your” solution can be use several times but best to filter it fairly often and not to keep it unused for long periods.
I have the old manual Knosti DAS and am pleased with it after using my own choice of liquid-although I don’t believe it cleans right down into the pit of the groove. There was definitely a problem with Knosti’s first liquid brew. I started looking at Ultra Sonic cleaners a while ago and although wanting a Degritter I felt I couldn’t part with that much cash. It came down to a toss up between your unit shown and the relatively good priced Humming Guru. Lo and behold out came the Nova which swayed me. I like it that the Nova has a fitted tank with a simple filter for the liquid which can be reused-no need for a bottle. On the other hand the Knosti recycles the fluid whilst in use which I think is a great idea. With the HG you can just put an LP in without a clamp(adjustments for 7” etc). Upon using my HG yesterday for the first time, I was impressed to see opaque bubbles on the vinyl-telling myself how much better a cleaning job it was doing over my manual Knosti. My smile somewhat lowered when I saw similar bubbles continuing to go round and round getting ready for the internal fans to dry them 🤔. I think your machine with the brushes would have helped and what with the constant filtering. Mmm-so what’s the score so far? After my magnificent cleaning session of 3 cleanish LPs I believe they sounded cleaner (pardon the pun) and nothing untoward regarding those bubbles. If I can’t sleep at night I could always just use my manual Knosti now as a rinse bath(then I’d worry about how dirty the rinse water is-not wanting to change it all the time). The record could then go back in the HG for a dry. I need to find a really dirty album to fully test it but I’m pleased with my decision so far. I think if the features of the two machines could be combined it would be the ultimate machine 🙂. As a footnote to those who worry about wet labels I have only had a problem once with my machines. I think some people think the water sheets down the record from top to bottom but it tends to stay put in the grooves. I did have a problem once with my original Knosti DAS when the newer model came out with O rings in the clamp. I had some O rings and as the original clamp had grooves I put them in. How it happened exactly I’m not sure, but the label got wet and so I removed them and then all was well. A bit mind boggling as you think water will creep under the clamp but if you don’t overfill , it doesn’t 🙂.
def. not trying to push the channel at (who am I kidding!) - Def. watch my most recent video - and DEF. subscribe if you are interested in comparing these two!
No not if you set the water to the correct level. If you set it right - which is marked - the water doesn’t even get for the runout groove. And then when it dries, it runs along the grooves. I only had issues when I put too much water in the tub.
I think a more important comparison would be first cleaning the record with a basic method like a brush / spray and an antistatic brush and seeing how much this could improve upon that. When the record is visually coated in dust no matter how you clean it its going to sound better after. I'm more interested to know is it better than the way 99% of people clean a record.
I used a 10L unit for years. I found certain fluids definitely needed a rinse, others don't. Tergikleen, Triton x100 definitely do. I found that Ilfotol and G-sonic by groovewasher do not require a rinse. Now I'm back to solely using my Pro-ject RCM with a three step process. Edit: commented before the price reveal. That price is STEEP. My record Doctor IV, Pro-ject VC-S2 ALU and Vinylstack 10L ultrasonic system didn't cost that much combined. It'd be really interesting how that one compares to the $500 Humminguru
@@frankgarcia9834 that's my plan once I get though the wash it fluid runs out. I got the 7" attachment which also came with some wash it. I clean wash it, then tergikleen/ilfotol then distilled rinse.
@@frankgarcia9834 I've been planning on using liquinox from alconox after I finish my Wash-it fluid (which to my understanding is based off of liquinox) that my RCM came with. I got the Pro-Ject 7" arm which also came with a bottle of Wash it concentrate. My second step is a combo of Tergitol and Ilfotol. Followed up by a pure distilled rinse. Have you tried Citranox? I've been curious but I dragged my feet on the quart sized bottle, the smallest bottle now seems to be a gallon size
There might be other comments to this general effect, but @PiecesofVinyl does Knosti say there is a specific benefit to air drying the records with the cleaning fluid on them? Or if preferred, could you just wipe with a microfiber or even stick it on a vacuum RCM real quick to dry it? Thanks for your thorough reviews.
As an aside, the relentlessly thorough Paul Rigby (The Audiophile Man) apparently decided to remove the rubber rings from the clamps, with blessings from Knosti, to solve the suction problem that makes removing them a hassle.
You certainly could go to a vacuum after the cleaning however on my vacuum setup the record sits on a platter so one side would be totally wet when I put it down. I actually thought about doing this. I would not wipe with a microfiber as that would make it dirty again.
seems a little high priced but seems like a viable unit option i would still rinse with distilled water and some type of sprayer, i don't like the idea of my stylus cooking microscopic particles of the soap solution into the grooves, i would also dry using my project rcm vac
I considered adding the vacuum process - but in general - wouldn’t using a vacuum along with an ultrasonic cleaner be defeating the point of the ultrasonic? Since I would have to lay the record down to vacuum?
@PiecesofVinyl I suppose less of a chance if you keep surface clean. Then, the alternative air drying method. It just my opinion, and it's less time to wait as well before getting to spin that sweet sweet music. 🙂
Thanks for watching! and the comment! Def. consider the Manual anti stat too - it's a lot cheaper. Same liquid and it also has the Goat hair brushes too.
Hey, once again, great video! So, if I understood correctly, you can’t clean a 7" single and then a 12" record afterward because of the difference in the height of the cleaning solution? Based on my experience with the Degritter, which also has a filter, I wouldn’t reuse the water, as many particles aren’t fully filtered out, making the rinse process essential every time. How many records did you clean with one tank filling-four? So, will you continue using the machine to clean your 7" records in the future? What about for your 12" records?
Hey! Thanks for watching and great to hear from you! I still have a record for you - will contact you outside of here. For clarification I could have probably cleaned both with the same level of water if I was a little more careful on getting it right for both. The most I have cleaned on one tank is 8 LPs but they were new records. I was able to do almost 25 45s on one tank - some new and some used. And it worked great. This will be how I clean most of my 7” records in the future. I have been using this for LPs too - and it’s much better than using the vacuum I was using - but that still works good too. Lots of options!
The degritter MKII is the best for the money. Power is everything with ultrasonic cleaning and the degritter is 120 vs 40 for the disco and himunguru. The size of the cavitation bubbles is very important and 40 just doesn’t produce the right size. I have owned the humunguru and sold it off.
Check online the following. The size in microns the grooves are vs what 46 will produce in bubble size. They are not small enough to get deep into the groove.
@@Vinylfromtheunderground I’d be thrilled if you bought me a Degritter. Since they are over $3000.00 plus tax I can't afford one. I’d love to have one though😉
I suppose you get what you pay for. Each to their own pocket. I’ve just purchased the HG Nova which suited my funds. So far so good but I need to find a dirty record to see how it fares.
If this is their old solution from their manual cleaning machines it DOES leave a deposit. Stylus picks up a grey substance from the grooves. I would recommend use distilled water.
Thank you this video, but I think I’m going stick to my Humming Guru. It’s half the price. 1200 euros which is probably 1400 dollars American. Seems a lot of money for what you get. But thank you anyways
The Humminguru value proposition is not challenged by this solution. This is labor and time intensive for the $. Too many rules...workflow is not efficient (which is funny that it's from Germany LOL).
If I made it seem labor intensive check out the video tomorrow to see in real world use. It’s actually minimal labor. And - we will see how the HG compares…..
Thank for watching! However - there is a level on RUclips of a "sponsored" video - go and watch many tech reviews - they will often say a company has sent them a product for review - but they are not a sponsor - but the video might indeed have a separate sponsor (usually square space). Those sponsorships are where the company involved actually PAYS anywhere from $500-$5000 for a video. There is obviously bias since the company has reached out with the product and I accepted it - but - I would not review products on my channel I would not stand behind or recommend. I try to be very up front about that with both the audience and the brands I deal with. I have turned down many as well.
@@larryhoffman7471 Never seen a "clean room" where people clean their records. The records are not pressed nor packaged in "clean rooms". That's why contaminants can be pressed into a record. I would never consider air-drying a record. They act as a dust magnet.
That would be nice to get one of these but too expensive right now I think once they get these in the United States the price will go down just like the humminguru ultrasonic cleaner when they were expensive because they were from Hong Kong until they came to the United States and the price went down so it might happen for Knotsi will see and I also have 2 ultrasonic record cleaner machine they are digital ultrasonic cleaner machine and the humminguru ultrasonic cleaner machine and both do a great job cleaning my records and they are worth it it's better than using spin clean record washer and vinyl styl record washer it's alotta work and back aches ultrasonic record cleaner are better and it more easier to clean records than doing the record washer by hand.
This looks cheaply made for £900 imo. I have the regular spin cleaner and the plastic parts wear as does the goat hair brushes. Spend a little more on a well regarded brand. Hard pass.
To pass on the price - OK - but it's def. NOT cheaply made - its 100% made in Germany - its hand assembled and like I said - its made of ABS plastic - which - I didnt get too into - but the soft coating on the machine and the unit are very solid - I never felt like this was a "cheaply made" unit.
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A couple extra points I should have made in the video - This is 100% made and Manufactured in Germany. The machine is also Hand Assembled and I did mention the ABS plastic - but - it also has a scratch resistant layer that is soft to the touch - and overall feels very premium - some folks have commented that it looks cheap - its def. NOT cheaply made. Also - it DOES fit in a typical Kallax shelf for storing when not using!
If I could spend a grand for an ultrasound record cleaner I wouldn't have to reuse cleaning solution.
That said, I've had great results with a manual Vinyl Styl (the Knosti record clamp looks very much like the Vinyl Styl) and the Spin Clean solution. I also like the tactile aspects of manual cleaning. But I'm also the guy that grinds my own coffee beans and brews the pour over and French press methods.
I appreciate that you showed the unit flooding your table. It could be a design flaw or material shortcoming that can't withstand shipping. Maybe they could ship the units with the plugs not installed.
Great review! Honesty is always king!
That is a beautiful piece of machinery. I was hoping it wouldn't cost so much, so much that way I could possibly get one but being that I'm the sole provider, I'd have to save up. Great video brotha man, well deserved recognition your getting with all these products, and su subscribers. Much love to you
It is a little pricey. You keep it going man thank you! 🙏
The price is a non starter for me.
The price is a joke. 😂. Super cheap made, looks like they are taking advantage of the boomer and gen x . Who have the disposable income to spend on a bunch of plastic with a transducer.
@@frankgarcia9834Unfortunately I think the Degritter set the bar price wise.
I have the older Knosti manual record cleaner and I can say that the cleaning fluid that they supply with that system definately leaves a residue.
I’ve been using Knosti cleaning products for years, absolutely top class quality! And i’m familiar with reusing solution fluid and none rinsing afterwards, works perfect for me, superclean vinyl records every time :)
It’s definitely a solid unit. This is my first experience with them.
I personally found with the Knosti DAS “your” solution can be use several times but best to filter it fairly often and not to keep it unused for long periods.
Food for thought. If you have a vacuum cleaner with a turntable such as a ProJect to remove the excess water after running it through after cleaning.
I have the old manual Knosti DAS and am pleased with it after using my own choice of liquid-although I don’t believe it cleans right down into the pit of the groove. There was definitely a problem with Knosti’s first liquid brew.
I started looking at Ultra Sonic cleaners a while ago and although wanting a Degritter I felt I couldn’t part with that much cash. It came down to a toss up between your unit shown and the relatively good priced Humming Guru. Lo and behold out came the Nova which swayed me. I like it that the Nova has a fitted tank with a simple filter for the liquid which can be reused-no need for a bottle. On the other hand the Knosti recycles the fluid whilst in use which I think is a great idea.
With the HG you can just put an LP in without a clamp(adjustments for 7” etc). Upon using my HG yesterday for the first time, I was impressed to see opaque bubbles on the vinyl-telling myself how much better a cleaning job it was doing over my manual Knosti. My smile somewhat lowered when I saw similar bubbles continuing to go round and round getting ready for the internal fans to dry them 🤔. I think your machine with the brushes would have helped and what with the constant filtering. Mmm-so what’s the score so far? After my magnificent cleaning session of 3 cleanish LPs I believe they sounded cleaner (pardon the pun) and nothing untoward regarding those bubbles. If I can’t sleep at night I could always just use my manual Knosti now as a rinse bath(then I’d worry about how dirty the rinse water is-not wanting to change it all the time). The record could then go back in the HG for a dry. I need to find a really dirty album to fully test it but I’m pleased with my decision so far. I think if the features of the two machines could be combined it would be the ultimate machine 🙂.
As a footnote to those who worry about wet labels I have only had a problem once with my machines. I think some people think the water sheets down the record from top to bottom but it tends to stay put in the grooves. I did have a problem once with my original Knosti DAS when the newer model came out with O rings in the clamp. I had some O rings and as the original clamp had grooves I put them in. How it happened exactly I’m not sure, but the label got wet and so I removed them and then all was well. A bit mind boggling as you think water will creep under the clamp but if you don’t overfill , it doesn’t 🙂.
def. not trying to push the channel at (who am I kidding!) - Def. watch my most recent video - and DEF. subscribe if you are interested in comparing these two!
Question: while air drying, do you risk the solution dripping over the label?
No not if you set the water to the correct level. If you set it right - which is marked - the water doesn’t even get for the runout groove. And then when it dries, it runs along the grooves. I only had issues when I put too much water in the tub.
I think a more important comparison would be first cleaning the record with a basic method like a brush / spray and an antistatic brush and seeing how much this could improve upon that. When the record is visually coated in dust no matter how you clean it its going to sound better after. I'm more interested to know is it better than the way 99% of people clean a record.
I plan on making some comparison videos with other products - I will put that in the mix as well! Thanks for the comment!
I used a 10L unit for years. I found certain fluids definitely needed a rinse, others don't. Tergikleen, Triton x100 definitely do. I found that Ilfotol and G-sonic by groovewasher do not require a rinse.
Now I'm back to solely using my Pro-ject RCM with a three step process.
Edit: commented before the price reveal. That price is STEEP. My record Doctor IV, Pro-ject VC-S2 ALU and Vinylstack 10L ultrasonic system didn't cost that much combined. It'd be really interesting how that one compares to the $500 Humminguru
Check back to see how this compares to the HG!
Nice! I also like using Alconox 1% solution for Vacuum rcm works great. Just throwing it out there
@@frankgarcia9834 that's my plan once I get though the wash it fluid runs out. I got the 7" attachment which also came with some wash it. I clean wash it, then tergikleen/ilfotol then distilled rinse.
@@frankgarcia9834 I've been planning on using liquinox from alconox after I finish my Wash-it fluid (which to my understanding is based off of liquinox) that my RCM came with. I got the Pro-Ject 7" arm which also came with a bottle of Wash it concentrate.
My second step is a combo of Tergitol and Ilfotol. Followed up by a pure distilled rinse.
Have you tried Citranox? I've been curious but I dragged my feet on the quart sized bottle, the smallest bottle now seems to be a gallon size
@@PiecesofVinyl I'll be awaiting that vid! With the humminguru draining and drying, the results would have to be a lot better for this to win out.
Nice review! Great to see more ultrasonic cleaners out there.
Honest review, thanks
Thanks for watching! and the comment!
There might be other comments to this general effect, but @PiecesofVinyl does Knosti say there is a specific benefit to air drying the records with the cleaning fluid on them? Or if preferred, could you just wipe with a microfiber or even stick it on a vacuum RCM real quick to dry it? Thanks for your thorough reviews.
As an aside, the relentlessly thorough Paul Rigby (The Audiophile Man) apparently decided to remove the rubber rings from the clamps, with blessings from Knosti, to solve the suction problem that makes removing them a hassle.
You certainly could go to a vacuum after the cleaning however on my vacuum setup the record sits on a platter so one side would be totally wet when I put it down. I actually thought about doing this. I would not wipe with a microfiber as that would make it dirty again.
seems a little high priced but seems like a viable unit option i would still rinse with distilled water and some type of sprayer, i don't like the idea of my stylus cooking microscopic particles of the soap solution into the grooves, i would also dry using my project rcm vac
I would too. Seems expensive for plastic with a transducer
I considered adding the vacuum process - but in general - wouldn’t using a vacuum along with an ultrasonic cleaner be defeating the point of the ultrasonic? Since I would have to lay the record down to vacuum?
@@michaelgreene5703 What do you use the sprayer for along with the rinse?
@PiecesofVinyl I suppose less of a chance if you keep surface clean. Then, the alternative air drying method. It just my opinion, and it's less time to wait as well before getting to spin that sweet sweet music. 🙂
great review of course. but yeah that price point puts this out of reach for the average collector. I use a spin-clean clone. and it works great lol
you can build your own ultrasonics for under $500
Thanks for watching! and the comment! Def. consider the Manual anti stat too - it's a lot cheaper. Same liquid and it also has the Goat hair brushes too.
You can - they have their own drawbacks too.
Hey, once again, great video! So, if I understood correctly, you can’t clean a 7" single and then a 12" record afterward because of the difference in the height of the cleaning solution? Based on my experience with the Degritter, which also has a filter, I wouldn’t reuse the water, as many particles aren’t fully filtered out, making the rinse process essential every time. How many records did you clean with one tank filling-four? So, will you continue using the machine to clean your 7" records in the future? What about for your 12" records?
Hey! Thanks for watching and great to hear from you! I still have a record for you - will contact you outside of here. For clarification I could have probably cleaned both with the same level of water if I was a little more careful on getting it right for both. The most I have cleaned on one tank is 8 LPs but they were new records. I was able to do almost 25 45s on one tank - some new and some used. And it worked great. This will be how I clean most of my 7” records in the future. I have been using this for LPs too - and it’s much better than using the vacuum I was using - but that still works good too. Lots of options!
@@PiecesofVinyl Happy for you, that you are happy with the cleaner. I thought your video was very transparent.
i still heard a slight crackle before beat 3
It’s probably not the most audiophile vinyl. Kinda warped too! But I love it. No one has commented on the complete lack of bass drum muffling!
The degritter MKII is the best for the money. Power is everything with ultrasonic cleaning and the degritter is 120 vs 40 for the disco and himunguru. The size of the cavitation bubbles is very important and 40 just doesn’t produce the right size. I have owned the humunguru and sold it off.
How do you measure this? Like - how Can I tell if 46khz micro bubbles isn't enough? My records - sound clean...🤷🏻♂️
Check online the following. The size in microns the grooves are vs what 46 will produce in bubble size. They are not small enough to get deep into the groove.
@@Vinylfromtheunderground I’d be thrilled if you bought me a Degritter. Since they are over $3000.00 plus tax I can't afford one. I’d love to have one though😉
I suppose you get what you pay for. Each to their own pocket. I’ve just purchased the HG Nova which suited my funds. So far so good but I need to find a dirty record to see how it fares.
If this is their old solution from their manual cleaning machines it DOES leave a deposit. Stylus picks up a grey substance from the grooves. I would recommend use distilled water.
Good to know - again not sure if they have redeveloped anything - but I have not noticed anything so far.
Thank you this video, but I think I’m going stick to my Humming Guru. It’s half the price. 1200 euros which is probably 1400 dollars American. Seems a lot of money for what you get. But thank you anyways
Yep, but now humminguru has the new Nova I feel they may stop making the 500 dollar one.
Silly price for 95pc plastic!
When the Humminguru is more than 50% less with way less hassle it's hard to beat that... when the results are the same.
True - stay tuned - we will see how they compare🧐
The new, upgraded Humminguru seems better and more cost efficient.
We shall see - stay tuned!
i would still rinse after
The Humminguru value proposition is not challenged by this solution. This is labor and time intensive for the $. Too many rules...workflow is not efficient (which is funny that it's from Germany LOL).
If I made it seem labor intensive check out the video tomorrow to see in real world use. It’s actually minimal labor. And - we will see how the HG compares…..
Great review, seems like you didn't Practice, practice....at all 😊 fellow Philly guy 😉
Just a little too steep in price for me. 😢
PRACTICE - we talking about - PRACTICE- (just for clarification I highly condone practice.)
Try Audio Intelligent Ultrasonic Solution.
'Not sponsored' - but gets sent a free product to do a review...
Nice review anyway, thank you.
Thank for watching! However - there is a level on RUclips of a "sponsored" video - go and watch many tech reviews - they will often say a company has sent them a product for review - but they are not a sponsor - but the video might indeed have a separate sponsor (usually square space). Those sponsorships are where the company involved actually PAYS anywhere from $500-$5000 for a video. There is obviously bias since the company has reached out with the product and I accepted it - but - I would not review products on my channel I would not stand behind or recommend. I try to be very up front about that with both the audience and the brands I deal with. I have turned down many as well.
It looks like a motorised version of the original , I will stick to the original, it does a fantastic job at £100
Nice to hear - this isn't just a motorized version since it does Ultrasonically clean and it has the filter system too - but the OG is great!
@@PiecesofVinyl Seems a lot of money for what it is tbh
I will NOT allow a record to air-dry. A wet record will draw dust out of the air............
I felt the same way and immediately brought this up to them. However it seemed to be ok.
@@automatedelectronics6062 Many seem to have no problems with air drying. It also depends on how dust free and let free the environment is.
@@larryhoffman7471 Never seen a "clean room" where people clean their records. The records are not pressed nor packaged in "clean rooms". That's why contaminants can be pressed into a record. I would never consider air-drying a record. They act as a dust magnet.
make a tent over the drying rack
That is a good idea. I like DIY solutions like this.
Costs almost twice as much as the Humminguru.
That would be nice to get one of these but too expensive right now I think once they get these in the United States the price will go down just like the humminguru ultrasonic cleaner when they were expensive because they were from Hong Kong until they came to the United States and the price went down so it might happen for Knotsi will see and I also have 2 ultrasonic record cleaner machine they are digital ultrasonic cleaner machine and the humminguru ultrasonic cleaner machine and both do a great job cleaning my records and they are worth it it's better than using spin clean record washer and vinyl styl record washer it's alotta work and back aches ultrasonic record cleaner are better and it more easier to clean records than doing the record washer by hand.
I hope so too - thanks for watching and commenting!
My Mets just beat your Phils; so much for sports analogies.
Right…I should be worried about the Mets😜
@@PiecesofVinyl Actually you should be worried about Ohtani but, that’s par for the course
Love the vid and transparency, but a gift of a new rcm is payment in my opinion. Kinda like donating to a politician. Just my opinion
Thanks for watching! I did check the says paid promotion on RUclips. It comes up at the beginning of the video. Just being honest.
$1300, ouch. 😅
$1900.00 Canadian! Hmmmmmmm nope
Sorry, but looks like a big NO.
Thanks for watching!
Wash off the soap
This looks cheaply made for £900 imo. I have the regular spin cleaner and the plastic parts wear as does the goat hair brushes. Spend a little more on a well regarded brand. Hard pass.
To pass on the price - OK - but it's def. NOT cheaply made - its 100% made in Germany - its hand assembled and like I said - its made of ABS plastic - which - I didnt get too into - but the soft coating on the machine and the unit are very solid - I never felt like this was a "cheaply made" unit.
These plabber mouths . Show the viewers how it works then talk about it.
Thanks for watching and commenting. There are time stamps to skip the blabber!
Looks cheap!
It's definitely not - it is 100% made in Germany and it doesnt feel cheap at all when you are using or holding it.