I noticed that you replaced the Baby T with a Linea Mini. So how does it compare to Linea Mini? What made you to replace the machine? I am thinking about to own either a Baby T or a Linea Mini for coffee catering
Hi, thanks for taking the time to put together a thorough review. I have short listed this machine for a popup/coffee catering setup....do you think the 2.5L boiler is up to making ongoing back to back milk based coffees? Have you noticed any drop off in performance when making multiple milk based coffees at home? Would it be on par with the 3.5L GS3 (except price) which appears to be the go to machines for mobile applications? Cheers
I’ve made back to back drinks for a whole houseful of guests (10-12 drinks non-stop on the machine) with zero issue or recovery. Obviously the 3.5 litre is going to give you even more stability but… it comes at a much higher price. The boiler on this heats quickly and it is designed with light commercial in mind. Definitely worth considering!
Hi ... Greetings from Luxemburg/Europe .. ;-) Superbe video ... I am just seaking to buy a new Espresso machine .. and was looking between the La Mazocco Linea Mini / Micra, and the Ascaso Duo Steel PID. I was a liottle bit close rto the La Marzocco, I have to admit. Especially due to the clapping noise for the steam circuit, and the anoying noise cups do while being on top of the machine. Thanks to tell about the La Marzocco problem, of stopping in the middle of an coffe extraction, if there is no water anymore in the watertank 😞... Thought this was "solved" on le Micra .. I will have to check .. One problem I had with Lascaso, was buying a machine which has/had a design problem for the volumetric measurement. On the Duo Steel PID, this volumetric measurement is done upfront to the pressure valve opening on too high pressure, and returning the water to the watertank, thus not being any volumetric measurement anymore .. So pyaing for features not really working .. How is it about this volumetric measurement on the Baby T? Did Lascao adapt this ? Thanks nevertheless for your good video ..
I have had a Linea Mini in my home for about a year. Your points in comparison are very valid. 1) I wish the Micra were out last year. I would have purchased that over the mini due to the fact that I only pull two shots a day on average. 2) it's a HUGE pain in the ass to adjust the OPV as you noted. It was also really annoying to take apart to plumb in. 3) Having the volumetrics as an option is huge. For a home user, this would definitely speed up my workflow in the morning. Any experience with Ascaso service? I know LM is known for having a broad network of service technicians if and when needed. I was on the fence last year between the Linea Mini and the newer VA Eagle One Prima and opted for the Linea Mini in part because it was a known quantity when it comes to service, parts, etc.
I actually did get the solenoid which toggles between plumb in and reservoir serviced on this machine. Ascaso service was speedy, there is a broad network of service techs who will work on these machines and the machine was easy to work on! Your points are all great - serviceability is one of the big pros of Ascaso machines IMO!
Daddy got coffee! I’ve been looking at the Ascaso steel duo v2. What’s your opinion on that machine? Should I save my money and eventually buy the Baby T? Or would it be sufficient to just get the steel duo v2? Been waiting to pull the trigger and get the duo but not much reviews. And your review is the V1. It just seems like a lot of money to jump from the duo.
I’ve got a V2 arriving this week and I would say that for the vast majority of home users it would be more that you would need. The main point with it is it requires 20a power at 120v (North America). It can apparently run on 15a with a slightly longer steam time. I haven’t tested this personally but I will be shortly!
@@DaddyGotCoffee Will you please do a video on the V2? I am curious to know your thoughts. Right now I am contemplating between the Rancilio silvia pro x and the duo v2. The main concerns ive seen online is the OPV chirping, vibration that rattles the cups away, and the steam power is lacking for its price range. Another concern I have is the longevity of the machine. I want a machine that will last 10-15 years if not longer with proper maintenance.
So fun! If you end up buying and are in the US make sure you use my discount code to save yourself 10%! Also supports my channel. I love using this machine, if you end up with one I’m sure you will too!
Would be great to see a follow up to this video focussed on how to mess with it to make coffee. I.e. showing how the different pre-infusion works, showing volumetrics in action. Id also love to hear it. By all accounts i think rotary pumps should be quieter but ive heqrd this one is rather loud and vibrates a lot.
I just bought one of these on a whim, and I am trying to learn how to use it, thanks for the video! I also got the Niche Zero grinder which I saw in your videos... now to learn!
Ditch the Niche and get a Eureka Mignon Specialita. I've had both
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Hey there! Does adjusting the OPV affect the Volumetrics and make them less accurate? I know on my Duo, I've had less consistent shots when dropping the OPV from the factory default of 11 bars, to 9 bars. Just wondering if the Baby T Plus fixes this issue with its "true" volumetrics. Thanks so much!
Yes, the T is MUCH more accurate and as far as I can tell doesn’t utilize the same plumbing as the duo that causes this. Totally comfortable using the volumetrics on the T
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@@DaddyGotCoffee amazing! That’ll help anyone who gets this machine dial in shots better I’m sure! Appreciate your quick response - your code actually saved me some money a couple years ago on the Duo 😎
Thanks for the review. I have questions. 1. What is the distance from the countertop to the cup warming tray. 2. The distance from the back to the front where the displays are placed. 3. How does the passive heating of the cup warming tray work (us does not have active heating).
Answers! 1. Counter to top of cup rail is 16 3/8” but counter to top of steam arm is 17” 2. Back to front is 15 1/2”. 3. If the boiler is on the passive heating is more than adequate with a good warm up. Without the boiler it’s mediocre everywhere except directly over the group. If you end up buying make sure to use my discount code in the description to save yourself 10% ✌️
I greatly appreciate your videos. I feel very educated on the options in the market thanks to you. I am learning many espresso enthusiasts are quite enamored with the "Slayer shot". I would like to know your thoughts on this and also if you know of a machine that has the ability to pull a 25 second pre-infusion under pressure and then pull a 25 second extraction that doesn't cost $10k US.
Great video (and videography!). I’m in Australia, and this is too much for my budget. I love the Steel Duo, but I’m concerned about the noise of the vibration pump (and while steaming). What are your thoughts about the noise? Cheers
I was very impressed with the Duo review, but this machine is next level - though very much in the pro-sumer/ commercial grade quality and price range... I just could not justify 5K+ coffee machine. Would be interested on how the Duo compares... Great review thanks!
For sure, two totally different machines and definitely a lot more than most home users need! In my experience, the Duo offers 95% of what a home user could want. The Baby T steams way faster, but for most people at home waiting a couple extra seconds yo make a drink is not a dealbreaker at all
@@DaddyGotCoffeethank you. I ordered the duo plus (as I liked the steam lever) and the price was midway between duo pid and Baby T in 🇬🇧 . Hope to get it soon.
Very enjoyable presentation - thank you. I have just ordered a steel duo based, primarily, on your review of the smaller Ascaso. My question to you concerns the Baby T’s walnut-handled joy stick steam wand, which protrudes above the top of the machine: what is the overall height to the very top of the joy stick when in a vertical position (although yours looked nearer 45 degrees)? Thank you.
You talk about the temperature stability with the steam boiler on and off on the baby T and how the Duo is also consistent in the temperature stability. But did you test any of them?
I’m a small youtuber and don’t own a Scace (yet) or have easy physical access to one. But I have made friends with techs online who have tested them. For now you’ll need to wait for another reviewer to get an on-camera test. I will be doing these eventually, just not there yet!
Honestly I would check out the breville bambino - such a great starting place! One level up the Turin Legato/MiiCoffee Apex offers great value! But, a good grinder will trump anything else! Way more important than machine. Check out Baratza Encore ESP/Fellow Opus or Turin DF54!
You mentioned paying a premium for La Marzzocco build quality. For me build quality is worth more than any feature. Be What are your thoughts on the build quality of Ascaso?
La Marzocco built their brand on the bulletproof rep their machines earned in busy cafes, pulling drink after drink all-day, every day. These machines are built to last like long haul trucks - do the proper maintenance and they’ll run a million miles. As a home user, are any of us ever going to put a million miles on a vehicle? The thing with LM is you are paying for increases in build quality that is over an above what any home user will probably ever realize the need for. On top of that, LMs require preventative maintenance that is unique and many home users may not even think of. As I said, the gains of LM are appreciable at a commercial scale but often pretty negligible for home use. As far as build quality of the Ascaso Line, my experience for each of there models is that they are either best in class or in the top tier for each of their respective price points. I like that even the Duo is fully serviceable - something not usually seen in that price tier
I've been dying to upgrade my espresso machine, but I feel so lost! I currently have the Breville Barista Pro and I use a Niche Zero grinder and I'm finally ready to to upgrade my machine. Do you have any recommendations for machines that might be a good next step? I love the way this Baby T looks, but I don't think I'm at that level yet lol
Hahahahaha yes the baby T is a LOT of machine! From Ascaso, the dream, uno and duo are all solid machines. I have a review on my channel for the Duo. I’ve also seen a lot about the Profitecs in the last year. The rancilio Silva pro is a solid option still and they’re not for me (serviceability is a big issue here) but lots of people like the Breville Dual Boilers! Hit me up with any follow up questions!
@@DaddyGotCoffee Just chiming in again Daddy with my thoughts as I'm also going through this exercise. Maybe there are also other viewers that have a similar criteria to me for a new prosumer home espresso machine? I'll initially refer to the Ascaso Steel Duo PID (2023 Upgraded Steam Model) which is where my focus has ended up after approx 18 months of researching (don't get me started on the grinder). It currently ticks a lot of boxes for me such as very quick heat up (I do only espresso & flat whites), no boilers reheating old water etc, stainless steel water circuits with 2x high quality thermoblocks for steam & brew, good functionality & design with a no BS aesthetic and also energy savy. Daddy as previously mentioned, you reviewed the Ascaso Steel Duo PID about 5 months ago however this was the model prior to the later upgraded steam which I believe also has a few other improvements as well. As you know, this is the model I'm waiting for you to review all the pros & cons in depth however I'm open to other suggestions or comparisons if they also tick the boxes. This will be a very very long term ownership for me so quality is paramount. Many thanks & cheers.
I'm working on starting a coffee cart and have been looking into this machine. Is the main commercial drawback that it may run out of hot water and take some time to recover? Have you run it in a setting like that?
Can you clarify? Even by the most generous measurements I’ve not gotten close to 6g retention, if that’s what you are referring to. As far as how I like it - I like the stock burrs. Sometimes I find the steps are a little too wide, or too wide for my preference, depending on the coffee. Workflow and user experience is really good. Retention is (IMO) too high to adapt for single dosing.
@@dkastra26 interesting. I wasn’t able to replicate this! I also measured. Could have been my humidity, beans or otherwise, not sure! I maxed out at about 3.5g on my messurements
But i dont know whats better on the Baby t as on a bezzera duo de for half the Price. Ok a little bit faster Heat up… i Hope im happy with it. I only could Order in black but i want white
It’s different - the rotary pump Baby T plus does not have an OPV, with the pressure being regulated at the pump directly. I haven’t tested the baby t zero, which includes a vibratory pump!
@@BrkgBeans correct! For what it’s worth, the duo is pretty good - provided you pull in a way that doesn’t engage the OPV, which is possible but limiting, and my recommended workflow on the duo
The Sanremo cube is an impressive machine by the spec sheet. I have not tested it but am working on getting a unit for review. It comes in at a higher price and also with flow profiling👀, both manual and programmed, something the Baby T does NOT have. I think manual mode on this machine will be fantastic, but other features will be made or broken by the rollout of the software and interface
@@DaddyGotCoffee Both Baby-T and Dou are a great choice individually, of course according to the budget. I am planning to buy a Profitec Pro 400, but Ascaso Dou drew my attention after watching your review ...!!!
Thanks for your review. This indeed is an awesome machine. Maybe I will end up with one as well. By the way, totally agree on the label at the front 😂! LM was not really on my shortlist, but the Sanremo YOU and Faema Faemina are. Maybe less on the energy saving side, but if you start to compare machines in the same price range, give to take a few bucks, and with similar or even more features, the Faema Faemina or Sanremo YOU should be on it. But these are European prices.
@@DaddyGotCoffee this might be a video you’re working on, but between the Niche Duo and the Fiorenzato AllGround, which would you recommend for someone who drinks both Espresso and Filter, sometimes both the same day.
yeayy finally brother review baby t plus hi, i’m from malaysia i have both machine line a mini and baby t plus. both machine i do for event wedding and popup, line a mini maximum back to back 1kg 50cup non and automatic off (overheat) need to wait 40minit and can turn on back.. baby t plus i do 5kg back to back (NON STOP) from 10:30 am- 4pm still okay and steady. so for me about the quality or coffee or anything is the same. but if you’re want to style ofcoz line a mini. because lamarzocco branding and people know. from where people saw see Waaa Lamarzocco ha like that 😂 btw i’m so sorry because i don’t speak english, because my english very bad. yeah enjoy 🤟
Generally you are dealing with a distributor rather than Ascaso directly. I only have experience with Espresso Parts in the US - they are a commercial distributor/service company who also sell and service La Marzocco and Slayer.
Hi, thank you for the review. How would you say this machine holds up against the Rocket Espresso R58 Cinquantotto Espresso Machine (which is a little more budget friendly)?
Hi which one is more better lamarzoco mini or Victoria eagle one
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Brotha! How do you adjust your OPV for the Ascaso Baby T Plus? I tried blind basket, with an actual coffee puck, and without a portafilter in (letting it run freely) I'm seeing conflicting information in the manual, online, and from my understanding as a previous Duo owner.
Regarding T technology and comparison: dual boilers often also use a heat exchanger. So this isn't that revolutionary, it's just swapping out the coffee boiler in the dual boiler for a thermoblock.
Yes, but no matter how you slice it the combination Ascaso has with this machine is new and boundary breaking. Do you know of another machine running this setup? I may be wrong, but I think this is the only one.
@@DaddyGotCoffee the Quickmill sunny also combines a steam boiler with a coffee thermoblock, but I don't have conclusive information whether it has a heat exchanger to preheat the coffee water.
THANK YOU for breaking down the different types of espresso machine setups. I feel like you have a really good technical understanding of things and that diagram REALLY got me hit and bothered ha.
Great video Justin! This machine certainly has become a consideration for me as I look to upgrade from my Breville Barista Pro. I would love to get your opinion on this machine compared to the E1 Prima which I have had in my sites for over a year now. You teased me by mentioning the E1 Prima but only for the price comparison.🙂
Just found your RUclips channel, super well done. I was wondering how these type of machines (LM, Ascaso) compare to those with Flow control (Bianca, Synchronik, P700). Any recommendations for someone looking for premium home espresso machine and pushing espeesso limits under 6k?
This really depends on the use and budget 😊 I’ve had great luck with the fiorenzato AllGround, it’s primarily a home grinder but it would work in a light commercial setting as well. I also know people using the x54 in trailers as well.
The funny thing about saying Decent. Decent is difference class machine. It is tesla of espresso machine. Pressure profiling, flow profiling, temperature change in the middle of the shot.
I just purchased a duo after looking your review on the machine. So now i have the DUO for everyday use and a '65 La Pavoni for profile experimentation. I paired everything with an Eureka Specialita. So i think i'm done buying expensive coffee gear...or am I? LOL
I got this machine from espresso parts and the first time I tried using it there was water leaking under the machine and inside the machine. No water coming from group head. All I get from espresso parts is a sorry. I waited 2 weeks and sold my Bianca and they don’t care to answer emails or calls. Espresso parts sucks and so does the ascaso
Experienced exacly the same. Was a frustrated Baby T owner for a month. I am now the happy owner of a La Marzocco LM. No Comparison!!!!!! LMLM wins by far
Not sponsored, but you 'may' earn when purchased through your recommendation. That sounds contradictory. I haven't seen the video yet (I will) but to me it sets the tone that I'll be observing a sales pitch rather than a review.
At least you know 🤷♂️ For what it’s worth many people who review anything online “may” earn through affiliate links (whether they do or not is most often dependent on a viewers geography) - and it’s legally required by the FTC to disclose when this is true. I’ll always be up front about this.
@@DaddyGotCoffee My point is that there's an affiliation and you make money when a machine gets sold in certain geographic areas. I'm not saying that's a bad thing by all means. What I'm saying is that theres a 'potential' incentive to use the review to nudge people towards making a sale, which is pretty much sponsoring with extra steps involved. After seeing the full video I realized I'm arguing semantics because you're not shady about the monetary stuff and I learned enough from the review to help me make an informed decision for a potential future purchase.
It comes with 7g and 14g baskets. The Ascaso bottomless portafilter comes with a precision triple 20g basket which is what I use most of the time. Triple baskets also fit in the spouted portafilter 👍
The 7g single is pointless as it hard to be consistent with that, 15 grams at 1:2 ration is 30ml espress, use a 6 ounce cup and you have yourself a very nice strong flatwhite! or you could do it the Italian way and does 14g and do a 1:4 ration for two espressos but you will need to grind super fine which is good as you do extract more!
The Ascaso looks like a solid choice. I disagree with you concerning the Mini. I have a mini at home and it s a dream to use. The mini can be repaired for ever. Can the Ascaso be repaired ? There s wires everywhere and it seems to me that there are useless electronics.
I mean, there is no pump running while steaming so it just sounds like.. milk steaming? 😂🤷♂️ But, to your point since producing this video (and other earlier reviews) I now make sure to include machine sound on both espresso machines and grinders. On grinders I actually take a decibel reading now
You’re speaking as if every machine at this price point offer pressure profiling. The majority don’t, and for those that do for the same price or lower (ie the DE1),the intended use case is very different. You could also strike the La Marzocco LM by the same criteria.
@@DaddyGotCoffee Yes I just mean for me at that price point. I would not buy a Linea Mini or Micra for the same reason. For me if I am spending 5K I will spend another 2K-5K to get the features I want. I am thinking more like a San Remo You, Rocket R9, Dalla Corte Mina, or maybe a Synesso ES1. The Decent espresso machines give you crazy control but they just do not have the quality feel I want. After using flow control on my E61 H/X machine I cannot go for a machine without it is a surprisingly useful tool to get the best flavors out of coffees and make more difficult coffees to dial in very tasty. I do not use flow control all the time but when you need it it is a game changer.
@@SaulFein I hear you. Yes, if you up the budget you can unlock a whole other set of features. At that level there is a big appeal to the YOU and the Es1.
Most people are looking for home machines. If u are in this group get the Micra. I ❤ my La Marzocco Mirca it has saturated group head and rotary pump for $3900. It’s small not much bigger than Gaggia Classic Pro it replaced. Mirca is stable for 6 quick espresso ☕️ drinks in a row. Most home users will never reach temperature instability if they tried. The Mirca looks better too but this is subjective 😉
I`m one of those weirdoes that do not like La Marzocco Mini design. Looks like something from the 70`s with plastic details and a fake "padel". Also, regarding tech, it seems to be stuck in the past. Just made an order for an white Baby T. Its the only machine that ticks all the boxes (for me) in this price range. Profiling would be nice, but I can see that its a stretch for the price. Nice video. :)
Happened to be one of those in this category not to mention i was probably one of the comments asking about it also. They have a great product with plenty of features and a great price point. When i was in the market i considered this or the San Remo You. Two completely different machines however both very well leaders in their own ways. couldn't agree more with your opinion on the La Marzocco vs this. Glad this is getting some good feedback :)
This is probably the cheapest option end game you could get without needing to spending close to 5 digits. Super Smart, app with so many detailed configurations and almost instantaneous sync up. Everything you need from volumetric to all the other modern day features! It's built like a work horse too! Got to see one up close and demonstrated in details by 2 salesperson with professional barista background. Although I bought the duo pid, but this will be my end-game when the time comes!
Getting mine this week! Decided for ascaso against de marzocco also because my wife needs to operate it sometimes 😊 buttons are better in that regard. Also, smart features are a big plus for me. I missed the part where this machine can be hooked up to the plumming, or is that only for european versions?
Hi Heinse, curious to learn your experience! Where did you buy your Baby T? Their is a reasonable chance that we live both in the same country(nl), just looking at your name.
Since you have both the Baby T and Steel Duo. Is it possible to retrofit the Baby T steam wood lever and replace the Steel Duo's wood knob? This would honestly make the steel duo look better but have a better workflow satisfaction when steaming milk.
My plumbed La Spaziale Dream at $2500 is a better deal, for home use. 6000 pulls later, and 3 years of use, my machine is just great. Everyone who drinks espresso drinks that I make can't believe how good it is. I have done lots of testing and the temp and volumetric data is very consistent.... and I can pull shots in 5 min also.
Ascaso should find more people to video the machine. It is definitely a good machine at 5600 price point. But 5600 for many people like me is still a big deal.
I think for anyone 5600 is a big deal! This is definitely not a whim purchase, but still - pretty impressive what Ascaso crammed in here for that price!
@@dkastra26 I have measured it with a scace, but not put those results on video. I have my PID set to 93, which it does meet without the boiler, with a slow fall off. Link me to the video and I’ll test matching their procedure
I just bought a V1 with 15amp plug. I think that’s why it only reach 88-89degree when the boiler is off. Now with the 20amp it’s suppose to give more power to the thermobloc.
This might be the only machine so far that I've seen that is close, and I mean that sincerely, close, to being worth the money. I feel like it's probably ~$1k of just parts before assembly. It's not just a copy/paste of other parts a company has in it's warehouse and tries to put inside of a fancy case. This is actually a functionally well designed piece of equipment. It also seems to have very cute touches that I appreciate personally. The tucked away water spout is one of them. For me, machines that have a separate water spout the same as the steam wand is quite excessive and frankly a little to obtrusive in an, "I feel icky looking at it", kind of way. The placement of the power switches is also fantastic imo. I don't need a big ass power switch taking up space on the front of a machine. I get overwhelmed with "too much stuff" on machines. Even the micra with the massive paddle that is literally just an electrical on off switch feels like it's compensating for something.....lazy design is what I think it's hiding. The huge steam and water knobs are also just way too much. I feel the exact same about the steam valve handle on this machine too. I don't see any reason for it to be so absolutely massive and obtrusive pointing out over the top of the machine. I get the idea of matching it to the portafilter handle, kind of. But honestly, it is just throwing off the clean tight aspect of the design for my brain. I think it would be better served to have it straight down or down and aligned with the angle of the chassis. Finishing with having a valve that is not a 90 degree swing to open. it's completely unnecessary and could be done with a valve that just needs a smaller movement to open it. I feel like the steam valve is pointing in a fairly phallic position while staring me down from across the kitchen. So, the water preheat tubes running through the steam boiler is proof actual, functional, thoughtful engineers that I'm hoping are paid well, were allowed to come up with and integrate. There wasn't some a**hat corporate money monkey saying, "but but but...that's 25 cents of extra material and we have to design a whole new machine around that and who cares about energy efficiency, i'm not paying the customers electricity bill." These companies also need to stop having manufacturers make the dumb spouted portafilter. Nobody cleans them and nobody seriously pours double cup shots do they? I guess this is commercial but I still don't understand any benefit to a spouted portafilter. Especially for the just cleaning factor. Unless they're soaked in enzyme or scrubbed properly daily with brushes you're just pouring new espresso over top of old caked/cooked on coffee and coffee oils. It's yucky. Like, do all these manufacturers/companies just have millions and millions of spouted portafilters in storage? The amount of manufacturing needed to make those is substantially more than a bottomless portafilter. People need to stop romanticizing things because of "history". Historically humans used to sacrifice humans to gods for rain. Think forward, not backwards. Also I totally agree about that sustainable badge on the front. Literal waste of money and I cannot understand why it is there. It had to be designed and manufactured then placed there. Does ascaso get some sort of payment from some kind of energy company for using this badge and placing it and making it so it's kind of not removable without quite conceivably leaving damage? I think these machines can be great for a small business. Home use, way too much machine even just because of the power it needs. Sorry for a book. I like this machine so much in so many ways so I got passionate about it lol.
Thank you Justin! And I agree - the design is truly innovative! I like the clean design too and how some things are hidden and out of the way. I don’t mind the steam lever but can see how that might not be everyone’s cup of tea! Definitely a wild machine… with a price tag to match!
That was really well said and it was like you tapped into my mind with all your comments. Overall, Ascaso seem really impressive and Daddy knows I'm hanging out for the Ascaso Steel Duo PID upgraded steam model review. The very first thing that hit me with the Baby T was that over sized steam lever which I would immediately change. My wife would climb that thing like a tree and to be honest, I just don't need that sort of competition and it's got steam as well. Cheers.
The La Marzocco Linea Micra is an amazing machine and this Baby-T is not to the same quality in my opinion. The Baby T is a nice machine certainmly, but the Micra is a home monster and hence why I purchased one. I know the Micra it will last for a decade or more (like all La Marzocco machines) which most coffee machines dont. You do pay more for a La Marzocco, but their machines last forever, which means you save money in the longrun.
I had the same thoughts becasue of the gs3 and the Ascaso baby T. For me this is the closest lineup from la marzocco and have to say ... there is a Baby T in my kitchen now, casue it looks awesome and is so much cheaper
I would never change La Marzocco Mini for Ascaso just to save 300$ in this price range, especially that in my country you can buy La Marzcocco for about 5100$. This Ascaso is pretty though.
I got rancilio silvia v6 (pid), breville dual boiler and decent. I am going to get micra. It will be micra and decent sitting side by side. I dont see the point of someone just review only one brand machine to give out all comment.
To me the LM mini is overrated. It's manual paddle only (no AV version), the manual paddle does nothing other than press a button so why not just put in a button, no electronic pre-infusion, no visible water level, and annoying to fill up. I'd wager the decent is better for pure espresso though. The shear number of temperature probes in the decent and the fact that some of them are almost right on top of the puck means that the temperature is pretty accurate. It also doesn't have a steam boiler (because they saw it was a long term failure point in other machines) so you can do the same thing as the ascaso and pull shots relatively quickly.
Totally agreed on the mini. It’s got the build and longevity but as far as modern features it’s sorely lacking. The Decent is absolutely a great machine packed with some seriously impressive tech, and you’re absolutely correct in that if you don’t need steam power or speed it’s a great option. It’s also one of the most expensive machines I’m aware of that can’t steam and pull at the same time. Definitely a niche product but very remarkable
Just when I thought I wanted the Duo! I blame you lol. If this wasn't such a price increase from the duo it'd be an easy decision. I'm just a home user and to be fair the Duo 100% would meet my needs, but then in the back of my head I'd be thinking about the baby t 😀 So, the Duo would be great but I know I'd want (not need) to upgrade later on, the baby t I feel would be the perfect. Hmm decisions decisions
As much as a REALLY want to like the Baby T, the requirement (that I feel like nobody talks about) of the 20 amp NEMA-5-20 plug really limits where you can put this in the home especially older ones. And the power draw of the Baby T @ 1710W vs the Linea Mini and Micra @ 1600W makes me wonder what type of stress it would put on my circuit at home. Even my current Rocket gives me problems where I have it (not in the kitchen) and that's a meager 1200W. But overall great video! The Baby T sure packs a punch.
Yes I did touch on that, albeit briefly, and I agree it’s a consideration (even the Duo V2 requires 20a!) What’s a little counterintuitive about this setup is that while the PEAK power consumption is higher, the overall power consumption is lower due to the thermocoil on-demand heating of the group. But, it can be confusing to explain that it is more efficient than machines like the mini even though the power req is higher 😵💫 As long as it’s properly wired it won’t cause any undue stress in a home! Thanks for jumping in!
If you want to look at real data on this, look at the German channel Kaffemacher’s review of the duo. They’re the only ones who have produced videos with proper tests that I have seen. Some of the tests you are referencing I have seen and have serious issues in methodology. Not that it’s a perfect machine either but check out their test results.
It depends. If you’re planning to do a farmers market a couple times a summer and are looking for a machine that would work but live in your home most of the time… you could prooobbaabblly get away with a duo. If you’re building a trailer/cart and you’re hoping to turn it into a real business, I’d probably save the extra and go for a machine more like the baby t.
4:44 it's mindboggling that you call Decent not temperature stable, yet call very similar design on duo steel otherwise in your review of that machine 1) heating method is either capable or not to heat on demand 2) sensor placement and algorithm (system as a whole) is either capable or not to make temperature stable these are the factors in "stable temperature" I'm not saying Ascaso machines aren't great or that Decent is the only machine capable of such task, just pointing out the obvious contradiction in your own videos and undermining of "Turing complete espresso machine" movement put forth by Decent. And calling these affiliated videos as "not sponsored" is not really doing you any favor - I read in comments that this is third party affiliate but is it? you are linking to ascaso-usa which is Ascaso USA website so it's not clear if that is really true or not + In Ratio Eight's video, you did something similar, "not sponsored" but link direct to their own website. Your channel, your call but I don't know what to think about it
I guess I could have said this more clearly. What I said was "each of these designs (meaning dual boiler, HX, or thermocoil) lacks either power, consistency or efficiency." In the case of the decent, its efficient and consistent, but what it lacks is power, specifically as it pertains to steaming. Its wild that at the price the Decent can't steam and pull shots at the same time - I think its the only machine at this price that this is the case for. But it is absolutely a very temperature stable machine (as is the Duo, and the T). Steam POWER is where any full thermocoil will fall short. I feel like my statement is clear enough, but maybe not? Re sponsored content - each creator needs to draw their own line here. I draw mine from the RUclips TOS as well as FTC guidelines. I have never (so far) done a sponsored video - that is, accept payment to produce a youtube video. I would absolutely be open to that and should it ever happen I will clearly state "this is a sponsored video" and tag it using youtubes tools. This is not that. I created this video because it is probably the most requested video from my audience over the last 6 months. Now I, along with many other creators, will use affiliate/comission programs to generate income. This is true for those reviewing camera equipment, computers or - in my case - coffee equipment. Some of my links go to amazon, others to other places. I disclose these links according to FTC standards. Ascaso-USA.com is a web property owned by Espresso Parts (who also distribute La Marzocco) in the US. This is who my affiliate relationship is with and this video was not part of any kind of agreement with Espresso Parts - neither they nor ascaso requested it, saw it or approved it. I believe in answering these questions as transparently as possible so reach out any time!
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thanks for clarifying. I feel like I made you jump through the hoops as it is easier to ask than explain. While your video was obscure on "lacking" part, your reasoning on power front makes sense and I'm happy that you came through. That site tho, still confusing. I thought it was all by Ascaso as footer mentions nothing about EP until I went to "about" page where they mention it's powered by them. I do believe in what you said but that site is really confusing nonetheless.
@@bbbo85 The Descent is made in Asia, and has a cheap tablet that is glued to the fixture. The design is probably a mixed bag for most, and you have to be very interested in playing with settings to get something out of that investment. And who knows about the longevity with something that is so connected to its software. The company is new, and small. Very cool concept, but not for everyone. Ascaso have been making espresso machines for 60 years. They are handmade in Barcelona. It`s powerful, fast, very easy to service and made for commercial use. IMO it looks 10x better than an Descent.
For this price tag, I will 10000% get a Mini. Ascaso is not even a brand??! No one knows this brand. For a few hundred dollar difference, it's a no brainer.
I mean, the Baby T is really a better comparison against the GS3 AV, which is a lot more than a couple hundred dollars difference. If you want to make a purchase based on brand loyalty rather than features, go ahead - but there’s no denying the Baby T is competitive on price.
@@DaddyGotCoffee Great video! You have valid points. It’s in a niche market, not as well known as the Mini or GS3 or as cheap as Rancilio etc. If I have no money I can’t afford, if I have a lot of money I buy the mini or GS3. If that makes sense of this machine.
I noticed that you replaced the Baby T with a Linea Mini. So how does it compare to Linea Mini? What made you to replace the machine? I am thinking about to own either a Baby T or a Linea Mini for coffee catering
Man you do great reviews, you should focus on this more, Thanks!
Thank you! I’m planning on doing this a lot more this year!
@@DaddyGotCoffee Good to hear
Hi, thanks for taking the time to put together a thorough review. I have short listed this machine for a popup/coffee catering setup....do you think the 2.5L boiler is up to making ongoing back to back milk based coffees? Have you noticed any drop off in performance when making multiple milk based coffees at home? Would it be on par with the 3.5L GS3 (except price) which appears to be the go to machines for mobile applications? Cheers
I’ve made back to back drinks for a whole houseful of guests (10-12 drinks non-stop on the machine) with zero issue or recovery. Obviously the 3.5 litre is going to give you even more stability but… it comes at a much higher price. The boiler on this heats quickly and it is designed with light commercial in mind. Definitely worth considering!
@@DaddyGotCoffee thanks for replying and sharing your experience....much appreciated!
@@michaelivory7606 no problem! Reach out any time!
Hi ... Greetings from Luxemburg/Europe .. ;-)
Superbe video ... I am just seaking to buy a new Espresso machine .. and was looking between the La Mazocco Linea Mini / Micra, and the Ascaso Duo Steel PID. I was a liottle bit close rto the La Marzocco, I have to admit. Especially due to the clapping noise for the steam circuit, and the anoying noise cups do while being on top of the machine.
Thanks to tell about the La Marzocco problem, of stopping in the middle of an coffe extraction, if there is no water anymore in the watertank 😞... Thought this was "solved" on le Micra .. I will have to check ..
One problem I had with Lascaso, was buying a machine which has/had a design problem for the volumetric measurement. On the Duo Steel PID, this volumetric measurement is done upfront to the pressure valve opening on too high pressure, and returning the water to the watertank, thus not being any volumetric measurement anymore .. So pyaing for features not really working ..
How is it about this volumetric measurement on the Baby T? Did Lascao adapt this ?
Thanks nevertheless for your good video ..
I have had a Linea Mini in my home for about a year. Your points in comparison are very valid. 1) I wish the Micra were out last year. I would have purchased that over the mini due to the fact that I only pull two shots a day on average. 2) it's a HUGE pain in the ass to adjust the OPV as you noted. It was also really annoying to take apart to plumb in. 3) Having the volumetrics as an option is huge. For a home user, this would definitely speed up my workflow in the morning. Any experience with Ascaso service? I know LM is known for having a broad network of service technicians if and when needed. I was on the fence last year between the Linea Mini and the newer VA Eagle One Prima and opted for the Linea Mini in part because it was a known quantity when it comes to service, parts, etc.
I actually did get the solenoid which toggles between plumb in and reservoir serviced on this machine. Ascaso service was speedy, there is a broad network of service techs who will work on these machines and the machine was easy to work on! Your points are all great - serviceability is one of the big pros of Ascaso machines IMO!
The built in shot timer is nice too
Daddy got coffee! I’ve been looking at the Ascaso steel duo v2. What’s your opinion on that machine? Should I save my money and eventually buy the Baby T? Or would it be sufficient to just get the steel duo v2? Been waiting to pull the trigger and get the duo but not much reviews. And your review is the V1. It just seems like a lot of money to jump from the duo.
I’ve got a V2 arriving this week and I would say that for the vast majority of home users it would be more that you would need. The main point with it is it requires 20a power at 120v (North America). It can apparently run on 15a with a slightly longer steam time. I haven’t tested this personally but I will be shortly!
@@DaddyGotCoffee Will you please do a video on the V2? I am curious to know your thoughts. Right now I am contemplating between the Rancilio silvia pro x and the duo v2. The main concerns ive seen online is the OPV chirping, vibration that rattles the cups away, and the steam power is lacking for its price range. Another concern I have is the longevity of the machine. I want a machine that will last 10-15 years if not longer with proper maintenance.
the looks of that machine is awesome!
I agree!!
This is THE machine I’ve been waiting for. I’ve been doing a lot of research because it’s not a small amount of money but I think this is it!😳
So fun! If you end up buying and are in the US make sure you use my discount code to save yourself 10%! Also supports my channel. I love using this machine, if you end up with one I’m sure you will too!
Best video I’ve seen so far also with honest opinion on various brands, esp the La Marzocco comparison at hand 👌🏻
Would be great to see a follow up to this video focussed on how to mess with it to make coffee. I.e. showing how the different pre-infusion works, showing volumetrics in action. Id also love to hear it. By all accounts i think rotary pumps should be quieter but ive heqrd this one is rather loud and vibrates a lot.
I just bought one of these on a whim, and I am trying to learn how to use it, thanks for the video! I also got the Niche Zero grinder which I saw in your videos... now to learn!
Ditch the Niche and get a Eureka Mignon Specialita. I've had both
Hey there! Does adjusting the OPV affect the Volumetrics and make them less accurate? I know on my Duo, I've had less consistent shots when dropping the OPV from the factory default of 11 bars, to 9 bars. Just wondering if the Baby T Plus fixes this issue with its "true" volumetrics. Thanks so much!
Yes, the T is MUCH more accurate and as far as I can tell doesn’t utilize the same plumbing as the duo that causes this. Totally comfortable using the volumetrics on the T
@@DaddyGotCoffee amazing! That’ll help anyone who gets this machine dial in shots better I’m sure! Appreciate your quick response - your code actually saved me some money a couple years ago on the Duo 😎
I‘d love a Steel Duo PID+ with rotation pump. The vibration pump of mine is the only complaint.
May i ask if its possible to remove the wooden handle from the two spouted ascaso portafilter ?
Sure is!
@@DaddyGotCoffee I tried but it seems its stuck in can’t open it ! If you know how to open it please let me know :(
Thanks for the review. I have questions. 1. What is the distance from the countertop to the cup warming tray. 2. The distance from the back to the front where the displays are placed. 3. How does the passive heating of the cup warming tray work (us does not have active heating).
Answers! 1. Counter to top of cup rail is 16 3/8” but counter to top of steam arm is 17” 2. Back to front is 15 1/2”. 3. If the boiler is on the passive heating is more than adequate with a good warm up. Without the boiler it’s mediocre everywhere except directly over the group. If you end up buying make sure to use my discount code in the description to save yourself 10% ✌️
i had Steel Duo but sold it after 2 months, still keeping my GS3 MP
To be fair… there’s a bit more of a Gap between the Duo and GS3 😂💀
I greatly appreciate your videos. I feel very educated on the options in the market thanks to you. I am learning many espresso enthusiasts are quite enamored with the "Slayer shot". I would like to know your thoughts on this and also if you know of a machine that has the ability to pull a 25 second pre-infusion under pressure and then pull a 25 second extraction that doesn't cost $10k US.
Great video (and videography!). I’m in Australia, and this is too much for my budget. I love the Steel Duo, but I’m concerned about the noise of the vibration pump (and while steaming). What are your thoughts about the noise? Cheers
I was very impressed with the Duo review, but this machine is next level - though very much in the pro-sumer/ commercial grade quality and price range... I just could not justify 5K+ coffee machine. Would be interested on how the Duo compares... Great review thanks!
For sure, two totally different machines and definitely a lot more than most home users need! In my experience, the Duo offers 95% of what a home user could want. The Baby T steams way faster, but for most people at home waiting a couple extra seconds yo make a drink is not a dealbreaker at all
@@DaddyGotCoffeethank you. I ordered the duo plus (as I liked the steam lever) and the price was midway between duo pid and Baby T in 🇬🇧 . Hope to get it soon.
Very enjoyable presentation - thank you. I have just ordered a steel duo based, primarily, on your review of the smaller Ascaso. My question to you concerns the Baby T’s walnut-handled joy stick steam wand, which protrudes above the top of the machine: what is the overall height to the very top of the joy stick when in a vertical position (although yours looked nearer 45 degrees)? Thank you.
You talk about the temperature stability with the steam boiler on and off on the baby T and how the Duo is also consistent in the temperature stability. But did you test any of them?
I’m a small youtuber and don’t own a Scace (yet) or have easy physical access to one. But I have made friends with techs online who have tested them. For now you’ll need to wait for another reviewer to get an on-camera test. I will be doing these eventually, just not there yet!
Hey, why is this price so high? I just ordered one here in Germany for 3999€. I will get it next week, I am pretty excited!
i am new to the coffee/latte drinking... what could be a good entry level machine to invest in and have home.
Honestly I would check out the breville bambino - such a great starting place! One level up the Turin Legato/MiiCoffee Apex offers great value! But, a good grinder will trump anything else! Way more important than machine. Check out Baratza Encore ESP/Fellow Opus or Turin DF54!
You mentioned paying a premium for La Marzzocco build quality. For me build quality is worth more than any feature. Be What are your thoughts on the build quality of Ascaso?
La Marzocco built their brand on the bulletproof rep their machines earned in busy cafes, pulling drink after drink all-day, every day. These machines are built to last like long haul trucks - do the proper maintenance and they’ll run a million miles.
As a home user, are any of us ever going to put a million miles on a vehicle?
The thing with LM is you are paying for increases in build quality that is over an above what any home user will probably ever realize the need for. On top of that, LMs require preventative maintenance that is unique and many home users may not even think of. As I said, the gains of LM are appreciable at a commercial scale but often pretty negligible for home use.
As far as build quality of the Ascaso Line, my experience for each of there models is that they are either best in class or in the top tier for each of their respective price points. I like that even the Duo is fully serviceable - something not usually seen in that price tier
Agreed you get what you pay for!
Hay their great review! Very tempting..how many kgs do you think it could handle back to back?
I've been dying to upgrade my espresso machine, but I feel so lost! I currently have the Breville Barista Pro and I use a Niche Zero grinder and I'm finally ready to to upgrade my machine. Do you have any recommendations for machines that might be a good next step? I love the way this Baby T looks, but I don't think I'm at that level yet lol
Hahahahaha yes the baby T is a LOT of machine! From Ascaso, the dream, uno and duo are all solid machines. I have a review on my channel for the Duo. I’ve also seen a lot about the Profitecs in the last year. The rancilio Silva pro is a solid option still and they’re not for me (serviceability is a big issue here) but lots of people like the Breville Dual Boilers! Hit me up with any follow up questions!
@@DaddyGotCoffee Just chiming in again Daddy with my thoughts as I'm also going through this exercise. Maybe there are also other viewers that have a similar criteria to me for a new prosumer home espresso machine? I'll initially refer to the Ascaso Steel Duo PID (2023 Upgraded Steam Model) which is where my focus has ended up after approx 18 months of researching (don't get me started on the grinder). It currently ticks a lot of boxes for me such as very quick heat up (I do only espresso & flat whites), no boilers reheating old water etc, stainless steel water circuits with 2x high quality thermoblocks for steam & brew, good functionality & design with a no BS aesthetic and also energy savy. Daddy as previously mentioned, you reviewed the Ascaso Steel Duo PID about 5 months ago however this was the model prior to the later upgraded steam which I believe also has a few other improvements as well. As you know, this is the model I'm waiting for you to review all the pros & cons in depth however I'm open to other suggestions or comparisons if they also tick the boxes. This will be a very very long term ownership for me so quality is paramount. Many thanks & cheers.
I'm working on starting a coffee cart and have been looking into this machine. Is the main commercial drawback that it may run out of hot water and take some time to recover? Have you run it in a setting like that?
Nice, but I'd love to see a comparisons of the T Plus with the Dalla Corte Studio.
This is a great idea!
What do you think about the allground and the 6g dead Space in the chute?
Can you clarify? Even by the most generous measurements I’ve not gotten close to 6g retention, if that’s what you are referring to.
As far as how I like it - I like the stock burrs. Sometimes I find the steps are a little too wide, or too wide for my preference, depending on the coffee. Workflow and user experience is really good. Retention is (IMO) too high to adapt for single dosing.
@@DaddyGotCoffee yes 1 step is about 4 seconds. The Suisse RUclipsr „kaffeemacher“ Said it has 6g. And they measured the particels, its a nice Video.
@@dkastra26 interesting. I wasn’t able to replicate this! I also measured. Could have been my humidity, beans or otherwise, not sure! I maxed out at about 3.5g on my messurements
But i dont know whats better on the Baby t as on a bezzera duo de for half the Price. Ok a little bit faster Heat up… i Hope im happy with it. I only could Order in black but i want white
Do you know if the volumetric system is the same as the steel duo? I mean, does it measure volume before the OPV?
It’s different - the rotary pump Baby T plus does not have an OPV, with the pressure being regulated at the pump directly. I haven’t tested the baby t zero, which includes a vibratory pump!
@@DaddyGotCoffee so I guess the programmable shots are far more precise?
@@BrkgBeans correct! For what it’s worth, the duo is pretty good - provided you pull in a way that doesn’t engage the OPV, which is possible but limiting, and my recommended workflow on the duo
Hello and thank you for your review. However, what is your idea about Sanremo Cube in comparison with this baby T ???
The Sanremo cube is an impressive machine by the spec sheet. I have not tested it but am working on getting a unit for review. It comes in at a higher price and also with flow profiling👀, both manual and programmed, something the Baby T does NOT have. I think manual mode on this machine will be fantastic, but other features will be made or broken by the rollout of the software and interface
@@DaddyGotCoffee Both Baby-T and Dou are a great choice individually, of course according to the budget. I am planning to buy a Profitec Pro 400, but Ascaso Dou drew my attention after watching your review ...!!!
Thanks for your review. This indeed is an awesome machine. Maybe I will end up with one as well. By the way, totally agree on the label at the front 😂!
LM was not really on my shortlist, but the Sanremo YOU and Faema Faemina are. Maybe less on the energy saving side, but if you start to compare machines in the same price range, give to take a few bucks, and with similar or even more features, the Faema Faemina or Sanremo YOU should be on it. But these are European prices.
What’s the grinder that’s besides your Niche?
That’s a fiorenzato AllGround!
@@DaddyGotCoffee this might be a video you’re working on, but between the Niche Duo and the Fiorenzato AllGround, which would you recommend for someone who drinks both Espresso and Filter, sometimes both the same day.
Very nice job with the review... Baby T or Sanremo YOU?
yeayy finally brother review baby t plus
hi, i’m from malaysia i have both machine line a mini and baby t plus. both machine i do for event wedding and popup, line a mini maximum back to back 1kg 50cup non and automatic off (overheat) need to wait 40minit and can turn on back..
baby t plus i do 5kg back to back (NON STOP) from 10:30 am- 4pm still okay and steady.
so for me about the quality or coffee or anything is the same. but if you’re want to style ofcoz line a mini. because lamarzocco branding and people know. from where people saw see Waaa Lamarzocco ha like that 😂
btw i’m so sorry because i don’t speak english, because my english very bad. yeah enjoy 🤟
Your english is fine, thanks!
Looking to upgrade my Profitec 600
How is ascaso's support in case something goes wrong?
Generally you are dealing with a distributor rather than Ascaso directly. I only have experience with Espresso Parts in the US - they are a commercial distributor/service company who also sell and service La Marzocco and Slayer.
Hi, thank you for the review. How would you say this machine holds up against the Rocket Espresso R58 Cinquantotto Espresso Machine (which is a little more budget friendly)?
Hi which one is more better lamarzoco mini or Victoria eagle one
Brotha! How do you adjust your OPV for the Ascaso Baby T Plus? I tried blind basket, with an actual coffee puck, and without a portafilter in (letting it run freely)
I'm seeing conflicting information in the manual, online, and from my understanding as a previous Duo owner.
Regarding T technology and comparison: dual boilers often also use a heat exchanger. So this isn't that revolutionary, it's just swapping out the coffee boiler in the dual boiler for a thermoblock.
Yes, but no matter how you slice it the combination Ascaso has with this machine is new and boundary breaking. Do you know of another machine running this setup? I may be wrong, but I think this is the only one.
@@DaddyGotCoffee the Quickmill sunny also combines a steam boiler with a coffee thermoblock, but I don't have conclusive information whether it has a heat exchanger to preheat the coffee water.
Can you review Duo PID plus model? Is the joystick steam valve worth it??
It’s really nice but in some ways I like the drip tray less. Review coming!
Does anyone know if the Baby T Plus needs an offset (steam boiler on) and what it would be?
THANK YOU for breaking down the different types of espresso machine setups. I feel like you have a really good technical understanding of things and that diagram REALLY got me hit and bothered ha.
Great video Justin! This machine certainly has become a consideration for me as I look to upgrade from my Breville Barista Pro. I would love to get your opinion on this machine compared to the E1 Prima which I have had in my sites for over a year now. You teased me by mentioning the E1 Prima but only for the price comparison.🙂
I have the steel duo and I know you had one too. Worth the upgrade?
I have before the stell Duo … and the baby t plus is more great … I love it …
Just found your RUclips channel, super well done. I was wondering how these type of machines (LM, Ascaso) compare to those with Flow control (Bianca, Synchronik, P700). Any recommendations for someone looking for premium home espresso machine and pushing espeesso limits under 6k?
is this baby t or baby t plus ? on the review
They are both about 6,000 U.S. Dollars, so I am going with the Italian manufacturing as opposed to the one made in Spain!!
What esp. grinder would you recommend to pair with the baby t for a coffee cart or pop ups??
This really depends on the use and budget 😊 I’ve had great luck with the fiorenzato AllGround, it’s primarily a home grinder but it would work in a light commercial setting as well. I also know people using the x54 in trailers as well.
The funny thing about saying Decent. Decent is difference class machine. It is tesla of espresso machine. Pressure profiling, flow profiling, temperature change in the middle of the shot.
I just purchased a duo after looking your review on the machine. So now i have the DUO for everyday use and a '65 La Pavoni for profile experimentation. I paired everything with an Eureka Specialita. So i think i'm done buying expensive coffee gear...or am I? LOL
Congratulations! Are we ever really done…? 🤣 Great setup!!!!!!
What is the different between the Baby T pro and the Baby T Zero
I got this machine from espresso parts and the first time I tried using it there was water leaking under the machine and inside the machine. No water coming from group head. All I get from espresso parts is a sorry. I waited 2 weeks and sold my Bianca and they don’t care to answer emails or calls. Espresso parts sucks and so does the ascaso
Always the best reviews!
Thank you Jackie!! 😊
Dang, that's a lot of machine for the money... but waayyy too expensive I think the Duo Steel might be a better compromise - great video thanks!
Happy to help!
had a baby T….let alone the breakdowns were a nightmare. I’ve exchanged it against a LM mini and don’t regret a bit.
Crazy! Never had a breakdown on this one. But I’m putting it through home use, not commercial use
Experienced exacly the same. Was a frustrated Baby T owner for a month. I am now the happy owner of a La Marzocco LM. No Comparison!!!!!! LMLM wins by far
Not sponsored, but you 'may' earn when purchased through your recommendation. That sounds contradictory. I haven't seen the video yet (I will) but to me it sets the tone that I'll be observing a sales pitch rather than a review.
At least you know 🤷♂️ For what it’s worth many people who review anything online “may” earn through affiliate links (whether they do or not is most often dependent on a viewers geography) - and it’s legally required by the FTC to disclose when this is true.
I’ll always be up front about this.
It’s pretty normal for coffee reviewers to use affiliate links.
@@DaddyGotCoffee My point is that there's an affiliation and you make money when a machine gets sold in certain geographic areas. I'm not saying that's a bad thing by all means. What I'm saying is that theres a 'potential' incentive to use the review to nudge people towards making a sale, which is pretty much sponsoring with extra steps involved.
After seeing the full video I realized I'm arguing semantics because you're not shady about the monetary stuff and I learned enough from the review to help me make an informed decision for a potential future purchase.
How many grams of coffee can the portafilter hold?
It comes with 7g and 14g baskets. The Ascaso bottomless portafilter comes with a precision triple 20g basket which is what I use most of the time. Triple baskets also fit in the spouted portafilter 👍
The 7g single is pointless as it hard to be consistent with that, 15 grams at 1:2 ration is 30ml espress, use a 6 ounce cup and you have yourself a very nice strong flatwhite! or you could do it the Italian way and does 14g and do a 1:4 ration for two espressos but you will need to grind super fine which is good as you do extract more!
Love this one, but just ordered Levit V3 :( this is a beast.
Both are beasts!!
The Ascaso looks like a solid choice. I disagree with you concerning the Mini. I have a mini at home and it s a dream to use. The mini can be repaired for ever. Can the Ascaso be repaired ? There s wires everywhere and it seems to me that there are useless electronics.
Why is the music so loud while you are steaming? What noises from the machine are you hiding?
I mean, there is no pump running while steaming so it just sounds like.. milk steaming? 😂🤷♂️ But, to your point since producing this video (and other earlier reviews) I now make sure to include machine sound on both espresso machines and grinders. On grinders I actually take a decibel reading now
Great review!
My ideal machine is this one at Duo size!
That would be next level!
If they just add the steam wood lever from the Baby T into the Steel Duo... It would check everything for me.
@@crayzieap they just released the steel duo pod plus that has the lever and few other updates
hi justin, can i please ask what is the best choice for grinder?
1) OTTO Electro 65-BK
2) Fiorenzato F4E Nano V2
3) Elektra Mini on Demand
What are those black mugs you're using in the pull + steam clip?
No flow control or pressure profiling means its a no go for me at that price point.
You’re speaking as if every machine at this price point offer pressure profiling. The majority don’t, and for those that do for the same price or lower (ie the DE1),the intended use case is very different. You could also strike the La Marzocco LM by the same criteria.
@@DaddyGotCoffee Yes I just mean for me at that price point. I would not buy a Linea Mini or Micra for the same reason. For me if I am spending 5K I will spend another 2K-5K to get the features I want. I am thinking more like a San Remo You, Rocket R9, Dalla Corte Mina, or maybe a Synesso ES1. The Decent espresso machines give you crazy control but they just do not have the quality feel I want. After using flow control on my E61 H/X machine I cannot go for a machine without it is a surprisingly useful tool to get the best flavors out of coffees and make more difficult coffees to dial in very tasty. I do not use flow control all the time but when you need it it is a game changer.
@@SaulFein I hear you. Yes, if you up the budget you can unlock a whole other set of features. At that level there is a big appeal to the YOU and the Es1.
For espresso flow control is paramount, you best of just buying a heat exchange machine with flow control like a Lelit Bianca @@SaulFein
Most people are looking for home machines. If u are in this group get the Micra. I ❤ my La Marzocco Mirca it has saturated group head and rotary pump for $3900. It’s small not much bigger than Gaggia Classic Pro it replaced. Mirca is stable for 6 quick espresso ☕️ drinks in a row. Most home users will never reach temperature instability if they tried. The Mirca looks better too but this is subjective 😉
I have to say that I really like the hole LM filled with the micra. Still a doozy of a price tag for what you get though! Solid machine
Micra 👎 baby is not a baby it’s a sexy machine ❤
I`m one of those weirdoes that do not like La Marzocco Mini design. Looks like something from the 70`s with plastic details and a fake "padel". Also, regarding tech, it seems to be stuck in the past.
Just made an order for an white Baby T. Its the only machine that ticks all the boxes (for me) in this price range. Profiling would be nice, but I can see that its a stretch for the price.
Nice video. :)
It’s wild the amount of features the baby t crams into its price point. Congrats! I’m sure you’ll love it!
Found the tech very interesting as it’s a hybrid of all three existing technologies.
You just convince me this is my dream home machine. In Aus. the price of Baby T is about $3500 to $4350 for Baby T plus.
They’re great machines! Wish I had a discount to offer in AU!
@@DaddyGotCoffee This is one of very few machines that AU price is great, better than the US price.
Happened to be one of those in this category not to mention i was probably one of the comments asking about it also. They have a great product with plenty of features and a great price point. When i was in the market i considered this or the San Remo You. Two completely different machines however both very well leaders in their own ways. couldn't agree more with your opinion on the La Marzocco vs this. Glad this is getting some good feedback :)
This is probably the cheapest option end game you could get without needing to spending close to 5 digits. Super Smart, app with so many detailed configurations and almost instantaneous sync up. Everything you need from volumetric to all the other modern day features! It's built like a work horse too! Got to see one up close and demonstrated in details by 2 salesperson with professional barista background. Although I bought the duo pid, but this will be my end-game when the time comes!
Where can one find the Baby T zero in the us?
Getting mine this week! Decided for ascaso against de marzocco also because my wife needs to operate it sometimes 😊 buttons are better in that regard. Also, smart features are a big plus for me. I missed the part where this machine can be hooked up to the plumming, or is that only for european versions?
You’re gonna love it! The North American version can be plumbed too! I think I said that somewhere but it may have been pretty quick!
Hi Heinse, curious to learn your experience! Where did you buy your Baby T? Their is a reasonable chance that we live both in the same country(nl), just looking at your name.
Since you have both the Baby T and Steel Duo. Is it possible to retrofit the Baby T steam wood lever and replace the Steel Duo's wood knob? This would honestly make the steel duo look better but have a better workflow satisfaction when steaming milk.
The company heard your wish, the new version of Steel Duo comes with the Baby T steam lever . I just found it today.
My plumbed La Spaziale Dream at $2500 is a better deal, for home use. 6000 pulls later, and 3 years of use, my machine is just great. Everyone who drinks espresso drinks that I make can't believe how good it is. I have done lots of testing and the temp and volumetric data is very consistent.... and I can pull shots in 5 min also.
Ascaso should find more people to video the machine. It is definitely a good machine at 5600 price point. But 5600 for many people like me is still a big deal.
I think for anyone 5600 is a big deal! This is definitely not a whim purchase, but still - pretty impressive what Ascaso crammed in here for that price!
Would this machine run ok on 15 amp circuits with the adapter?
Must say will def give this machine serious consideration if I did not have a GS3 AV sitting on my kitchen top.
Great review btw. Well done!!
Isn’t it crazy?? Hard to believe what they crammed in there! Thank you!! I might just have to come over for a spro on that beast! 🤣
Why am I seeing the price for $5,900?
Can you do a review of the La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II, it’s an underrated machine that needs more representation. Thanks keep up the good work!
But without Boiler a Espresso has only about 88-89 degrees… the smaller ascasos can do it better. But i bought the Baby t plus too.
I'm not sure if it's a difference of voltages or what, but my unit reaches higher temperatures than that without the boiler on. Interesting.
@@DaddyGotCoffeedid you measured it? Its not only in 1 video in Germany.
@@dkastra26 I have measured it with a scace, but not put those results on video. I have my PID set to 93, which it does meet without the boiler, with a slow fall off. Link me to the video and I’ll test matching their procedure
@@DaddyGotCoffeeBut Since Oktober 2023 there is another Updated Version i think. In german Shops it was listed as „ascaso Baby t plus oct.23“
I just bought a V1 with 15amp plug. I think that’s why it only reach 88-89degree when the boiler is off. Now with the 20amp it’s suppose to give more power to the thermobloc.
This might be the only machine so far that I've seen that is close, and I mean that sincerely, close, to being worth the money. I feel like it's probably ~$1k of just parts before assembly.
It's not just a copy/paste of other parts a company has in it's warehouse and tries to put inside of a fancy case.
This is actually a functionally well designed piece of equipment. It also seems to have very cute touches that I appreciate personally. The tucked away water spout is one of them. For me, machines that have a separate water spout the same as the steam wand is quite excessive and frankly a little to obtrusive in an, "I feel icky looking at it", kind of way.
The placement of the power switches is also fantastic imo. I don't need a big ass power switch taking up space on the front of a machine. I get overwhelmed with "too much stuff" on machines. Even the micra with the massive paddle that is literally just an electrical on off switch feels like it's compensating for something.....lazy design is what I think it's hiding. The huge steam and water knobs are also just way too much. I feel the exact same about the steam valve handle on this machine too. I don't see any reason for it to be so absolutely massive and obtrusive pointing out over the top of the machine. I get the idea of matching it to the portafilter handle, kind of. But honestly, it is just throwing off the clean tight aspect of the design for my brain. I think it would be better served to have it straight down or down and aligned with the angle of the chassis. Finishing with having a valve that is not a 90 degree swing to open. it's completely unnecessary and could be done with a valve that just needs a smaller movement to open it. I feel like the steam valve is pointing in a fairly phallic position while staring me down from across the kitchen.
So, the water preheat tubes running through the steam boiler is proof actual, functional, thoughtful engineers that I'm hoping are paid well, were allowed to come up with and integrate. There wasn't some a**hat corporate money monkey saying, "but but but...that's 25 cents of extra material and we have to design a whole new machine around that and who cares about energy efficiency, i'm not paying the customers electricity bill."
These companies also need to stop having manufacturers make the dumb spouted portafilter. Nobody cleans them and nobody seriously pours double cup shots do they? I guess this is commercial but I still don't understand any benefit to a spouted portafilter. Especially for the just cleaning factor. Unless they're soaked in enzyme or scrubbed properly daily with brushes you're just pouring new espresso over top of old caked/cooked on coffee and coffee oils. It's yucky. Like, do all these manufacturers/companies just have millions and millions of spouted portafilters in storage? The amount of manufacturing needed to make those is substantially more than a bottomless portafilter. People need to stop romanticizing things because of "history". Historically humans used to sacrifice humans to gods for rain. Think forward, not backwards.
Also I totally agree about that sustainable badge on the front. Literal waste of money and I cannot understand why it is there. It had to be designed and manufactured then placed there. Does ascaso get some sort of payment from some kind of energy company for using this badge and placing it and making it so it's kind of not removable without quite conceivably leaving damage?
I think these machines can be great for a small business. Home use, way too much machine even just because of the power it needs.
Sorry for a book. I like this machine so much in so many ways so I got passionate about it lol.
Thank you Justin! And I agree - the design is truly innovative! I like the clean design too and how some things are hidden and out of the way. I don’t mind the steam lever but can see how that might not be everyone’s cup of tea! Definitely a wild machine… with a price tag to match!
That was really well said and it was like you tapped into my mind with all your comments. Overall, Ascaso seem really impressive and Daddy knows I'm hanging out for the Ascaso Steel Duo PID upgraded steam model review. The very first thing that hit me with the Baby T was that over sized steam lever which I would immediately change. My wife would climb that thing like a tree and to be honest, I just don't need that sort of competition and it's got steam as well. Cheers.
@@steph8408 I’m working on it! Its gonna be great!
@@steph8408 ahahhahahahhahahha
you're welcome lol
hide the portafilters too 🤣
@@justinbouchard Absolutely Justin.
The La Marzocco Linea Micra is an amazing machine and this Baby-T is not to the same quality in my opinion. The Baby T is a nice machine certainmly, but the Micra is a home monster and hence why I purchased one. I know the Micra it will last for a decade or more (like all La Marzocco machines) which most coffee machines dont. You do pay more for a La Marzocco, but their machines last forever, which means you save money in the longrun.
I had the same thoughts becasue of the gs3 and the Ascaso baby T. For me this is the closest lineup from la marzocco and have to say ... there is a Baby T in my kitchen now, casue it looks awesome and is so much cheaper
I would never change La Marzocco Mini for Ascaso just to save 300$ in this price range, especially that in my country you can buy La Marzcocco for about 5100$. This Ascaso is pretty though.
I got rancilio silvia v6 (pid), breville dual boiler and decent. I am going to get micra. It will be micra and decent sitting side by side. I dont see the point of someone just review only one brand machine to give out all comment.
@@alleung4625what are your thoughts between Micra and Decent?
Love it!
Thank you!!
To me the LM mini is overrated. It's manual paddle only (no AV version), the manual paddle does nothing other than press a button so why not just put in a button, no electronic pre-infusion, no visible water level, and annoying to fill up. I'd wager the decent is better for pure espresso though. The shear number of temperature probes in the decent and the fact that some of them are almost right on top of the puck means that the temperature is pretty accurate. It also doesn't have a steam boiler (because they saw it was a long term failure point in other machines) so you can do the same thing as the ascaso and pull shots relatively quickly.
Totally agreed on the mini. It’s got the build and longevity but as far as modern features it’s sorely lacking. The Decent is absolutely a great machine packed with some seriously impressive tech, and you’re absolutely correct in that if you don’t need steam power or speed it’s a great option. It’s also one of the most expensive machines I’m aware of that can’t steam and pull at the same time. Definitely a niche product but very remarkable
Just when I thought I wanted the Duo! I blame you lol. If this wasn't such a price increase from the duo it'd be an easy decision.
I'm just a home user and to be fair the Duo 100% would meet my needs, but then in the back of my head I'd be thinking about the baby t 😀
So, the Duo would be great but I know I'd want (not need) to upgrade later on, the baby t I feel would be the perfect.
Hmm decisions decisions
Ordered Duo plus. Check it out, has steam lever and few differences. In UK price was equal to DUO PID @ blackfriday.
@@hussainmahmoud7881 I already now have the baby t plus and love it!
Does anyone know if you can buy this machine in Australia? It seems that no one has any stock or any ETA. I am keen to buy one
Awesome review!
WTF! A $5000 coffee machine? Are you serious?
I wouldn’t even call this “top end” either 🫣💸
As much as a REALLY want to like the Baby T, the requirement (that I feel like nobody talks about) of the 20 amp NEMA-5-20 plug really limits where you can put this in the home especially older ones. And the power draw of the Baby T @ 1710W vs the Linea Mini and Micra @ 1600W makes me wonder what type of stress it would put on my circuit at home. Even my current Rocket gives me problems where I have it (not in the kitchen) and that's a meager 1200W.
But overall great video! The Baby T sure packs a punch.
Yes I did touch on that, albeit briefly, and I agree it’s a consideration (even the Duo V2 requires 20a!) What’s a little counterintuitive about this setup is that while the PEAK power consumption is higher, the overall power consumption is lower due to the thermocoil on-demand heating of the group. But, it can be confusing to explain that it is more efficient than machines like the mini even though the power req is higher 😵💫 As long as it’s properly wired it won’t cause any undue stress in a home! Thanks for jumping in!
@@DaddyGotCoffee great to know 👍🏼
finally someone said it loudly. Yes, the power consumption does matter!
Add flow control and I replace my lelit bianca for this machine.
Convert 5600$ to my local currency and it's still expensive af🤣
Itching to upgrade my Bezzera but good to know that there's alternative to LM
Sorry but if I’m spending 6k it will say LaMarzocco on it. Looks like a solid unit tho
Totally valid argument for a lot of people!
I'll say the duo does NOT have the same consistency. A few reviews show it's got a 20 degree delta during a pull
If you want to look at real data on this, look at the German channel Kaffemacher’s review of the duo.
They’re the only ones who have produced videos with proper tests that I have seen. Some of the tests you are referencing I have seen and have serious issues in methodology. Not that it’s a perfect machine either but check out their test results.
Can the duo be used for a pop up in your opinion?
It depends. If you’re planning to do a farmers market a couple times a summer and are looking for a machine that would work but live in your home most of the time… you could prooobbaabblly get away with a duo. If you’re building a trailer/cart and you’re hoping to turn it into a real business, I’d probably save the extra and go for a machine more like the baby t.
@@DaddyGotCoffee so in other words, are you asking me if I really love coffee? 😂 thanks for the response brother 💪
4:44 it's mindboggling that you call Decent not temperature stable, yet call very similar design on duo steel otherwise in your review of that machine
1) heating method is either capable or not to heat on demand
2) sensor placement and algorithm (system as a whole) is either capable or not to make temperature stable
these are the factors in "stable temperature"
I'm not saying Ascaso machines aren't great or that Decent is the only machine capable of such task, just pointing out the obvious contradiction in your own videos and undermining of "Turing complete espresso machine" movement put forth by Decent.
And calling these affiliated videos as "not sponsored" is not really doing you any favor - I read in comments that this is third party affiliate but is it? you are linking to ascaso-usa which is Ascaso USA website so it's not clear if that is really true or not
+ In Ratio Eight's video, you did something similar, "not sponsored" but link direct to their own website. Your channel, your call but I don't know what to think about it
I guess I could have said this more clearly. What I said was "each of these designs (meaning dual boiler, HX, or thermocoil) lacks either power, consistency or efficiency."
In the case of the decent, its efficient and consistent, but what it lacks is power, specifically as it pertains to steaming. Its wild that at the price the Decent can't steam and pull shots at the same time - I think its the only machine at this price that this is the case for. But it is absolutely a very temperature stable machine (as is the Duo, and the T). Steam POWER is where any full thermocoil will fall short. I feel like my statement is clear enough, but maybe not?
Re sponsored content - each creator needs to draw their own line here. I draw mine from the RUclips TOS as well as FTC guidelines. I have never (so far) done a sponsored video - that is, accept payment to produce a youtube video. I would absolutely be open to that and should it ever happen I will clearly state "this is a sponsored video" and tag it using youtubes tools. This is not that. I created this video because it is probably the most requested video from my audience over the last 6 months.
Now I, along with many other creators, will use affiliate/comission programs to generate income. This is true for those reviewing camera equipment, computers or - in my case - coffee equipment. Some of my links go to amazon, others to other places. I disclose these links according to FTC standards.
Ascaso-USA.com is a web property owned by Espresso Parts (who also distribute La Marzocco) in the US. This is who my affiliate relationship is with and this video was not part of any kind of agreement with Espresso Parts - neither they nor ascaso requested it, saw it or approved it.
I believe in answering these questions as transparently as possible so reach out any time!
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thanks for clarifying. I feel like I made you jump through the hoops as it is easier to ask than explain. While your video was obscure on "lacking" part, your reasoning on power front makes sense and I'm happy that you came through.
That site tho, still confusing. I thought it was all by Ascaso as footer mentions nothing about EP until I went to "about" page where they mention it's powered by them. I do believe in what you said but that site is really confusing nonetheless.
@@bbbo85 The Descent is made in Asia, and has a cheap tablet that is glued to the fixture. The design is probably a mixed bag for most, and you have to be very interested in playing with settings to get something out of that investment. And who knows about the longevity with something that is so connected to its software. The company is new, and small. Very cool concept, but not for everyone.
Ascaso have been making espresso machines for 60 years. They are handmade in Barcelona. It`s powerful, fast, very easy to service and made for commercial use. IMO it looks 10x better than an Descent.
For this price tag, I will 10000% get a Mini. Ascaso is not even a brand??! No one knows this brand. For a few hundred dollar difference, it's a no brainer.
I mean, the Baby T is really a better comparison against the GS3 AV, which is a lot more than a couple hundred dollars difference. If you want to make a purchase based on brand loyalty rather than features, go ahead - but there’s no denying the Baby T is competitive on price.
@@DaddyGotCoffee Great video! You have valid points. It’s in a niche market, not as well known as the Mini or GS3 or as cheap as Rancilio etc. If I have no money I can’t afford, if I have a lot of money I buy the mini or GS3. If that makes sense of this machine.
That green badge needs to go. App needs total revamp. Not good enough. Buying a Micra.