I was practicing one time with my 50-pound bow, and it slipped out of my left hand at around half draw. The string gave me a stripe across my face for a week, from the recoil.
When I was a kid we would make survival bows, and arrows out of wooden rods. The bows we made were never to powerful, and we never made or used arrow heads. The arrows being blunt as a stump didn't stop me from catching an arrow to the calf muscle. Subsequently sending me to the hospital with a pretty deep puncture wound. Bows are not toys, and should be treated with respect. The same safety practiced with firearms should always be applied to archery.
A friend was retrieving his arrows at archery club while some (poorly supervised) beginners were shooting 20 self bows the other end of the line. He received a target point arrow (fairly blunt) in the lower leg, which fully pierced his calf and necessitated surgery and an overnight stay in hospital. Not a toy.
I strongly disagree with Lars Andersen's curving trick shot being used to shoot around people. Penn Jilette said it best when he said: "Teller and I believe it is morally wrong to do things on stage that are really dangerous. It makes the audience complicit in unnecessary human risk". Curving an arrow around an expensive vase or something else that the audience can feel anxious about is sufficient. Lars Andersen isn't doing a magic trick, where the outcome is known. He's not sawing someone in half whilst knowing their body isn't actually in the way of the saw. He's relying on a skillshot. That introduces the possibility of human error. A bad day. A faulty piece of equipment. Another person moving into the path of the arrow by mistake. Any number of freak accidents. This is why even the most elite target archers still don't do exhibition performances where they shoot apples of the heads of people. It might be doable, and for some, it would even be quite easy 99% of the time. But that 1 time that the arrows goes too low is enough of a risk that it's just not done. I would NOT trust Lars Andersen to shoot around me with an arrow, even if he showed me how he could do it around a dummy 100 times. I think it's irresponsible and morally wrong.
You gotta admit though, being able to curve your shots to not hit expensive pottery would be really handy if you don't want your payout docked every mission.
Ever heard of Howard Hill? He was a famous archer from the 1930s to 1950s. He did most of the stunt shots for the early Robin Hood movies, and famously killed a bull elephant in Africa with a longbow (before that became seriously uncool). There's a video in which he shoots an apple off a man's head, and then a prune. His volunteer loses his nerve when he proposes a cherry for the next shot... I agree with Nu - when Lars does his curving shot, its trajectory begins AWAY from the brave volunteer. It only moves visibly toward the volunteer as the curve works. If the stunt shot failed, the arrow would simply fly off to the side. I have shot an 80 lb longbow for years. I got it because I wanted to experience something like a medieval war bow. Yes, it gives arrows authority, often sending them right through the hay bales to break or get lost (!!) on the other side. But I learned with a 30 lb fiberglas recurve bow before I graduated to the longbow. The 30 lb bow may lack the power and range of the longbow, but I guarantee it can kill you just as dead should things go terribly wrong. War bows have lots of power for two reasons: 1) for long range, and 2) in the hope of defeating armor. At closer range, a 30 lb bow is plenty to kill a deer - or an unarmored man. The "just a toy" idea nearly caused a terrible accident once on my watch. I was supervising an SCA archery tourney at Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. We were all lined up and shooting when an obviously moronic mundane woman decided it would be FUNNY to ride a bicycle across the row of targets - which she did, laughing like it was the last thing she'd ever do. Of course there were immediate cries of "Hold!" and, "Bows down!" - including from me - and fortunately she didn't get her death wish fulfilled. But there were plenty of bows on that line that could have killed her - from the 60-80 lb longbows down to the "toy" 30 lb recurves. An arrow can still kill you just as dead as it did in the Middle Ages. Bows aren't toys!
My 30lb practice bow fitted with broadheads will go through 4 layers of rubber wellington boot ( don't ask, it was in the garage) and 8"-10" into a solid packed cardboard box behind at 15 yards - I think it may well leave more than a bruise if it hit someone! It will only take a few incidents with inexperienced people trying to copy these sort of tricks before we all end up having to get a permit to own our bows or worse.
It gave me a funny look!.....but 4 layers of welly is probably a lot tougher than skin ...anyway wellies are the only thing you can legally bow hunt in UK and I always eat any wellies I murder! ( they can very dangerous when cornered! and they were illegally introduced Chinese wellies not the native British welly so they are regarded as a pest as they introduce highly contagious Athletes Foot into the native population.)
When i was about 10 I shot my bow, a cheap fiberglass from a department store type of bow, at a hard plastic bin in my back yard. The arrow (Also cheap fiber glass) bounced off and flew back at me spinning end over end and the nock end (thankfully) hit me right in between the eye brows, leaving 2 cuts from the teeth of the nock. If it was an inch over, I would have had to be rushed to the hospital and probably lost the eye. Even this type of bow, which most archers would scoff at, can permanently damage. The most dangerous person on a range is someone who doesn't think they are being dangerous
when i was a kid, i had an actual "toy bow" maybe a #10-15 at the very most. my friend decided to point it towards me, and as i ran to hide, he 'accidentally let go' the wooden arrow that i had made, burst through a plastic planter, and hit me in the side of the head... if this hanging container of soil was not in the way i'd have been really fucked...
DraK_DaRippa Thank Jesus. No really, thank Jesus. Even if that arrow wasn’t sharpened it would’ve punched a hole right into your thin eggshell-like kid skull.
Damn be thankful that planter killed a lot of momentum that arrow had. I don't know why toy bows are called as such when you could still take someone's eye out very easily.
6:39 You see this with guns between people who have take hunter safety courses or been on shooting teams, and those who have not. "A .22 isn't a real gun. It's a toy. Now a .45 magnum, that's a real gun."
see how much they penetrate the side of his barn. A toy doesn't split a 2x4 in half but laws can be weird like that. As long as it can't shoot a bb pelet and as long as the arrow covers the exhaust, it's classified as a toy... hilarious stuff. I can't get enough of his laugh, best laugh on the interwebs.
Makes me laugh that people dismiss bows as not being very dangerous; bows were developed as weapons of war and hunting long before firearms existed- they are still just as effective now as they were then. Wise-up, kids...
I just got back a few hours ago from shooting a compound with some of my family members, my first time shooting a bow since I was about 6 or 7 (over a decade ago being 18 now) with my child plastic bow, and both for a first time as well as using a bow made to specs for my grandfather that’s physically not all too similar with me, went extremely well. I knew much of the tactics and knowledges about actually how to do it both efficiently and safely simply by watching and remembering your videos, and I’ll say, these really are great. Thank you for your time with these, I’m not sure if you know exactly how much they help, but they do. You helped a person you’ve never met hit the center 4 out of about 45 shots, and the target nearly every single one of those around 40 shots from 20 yards away on their first time ever holding an adult bow. Thank you for the time into doing this - honest. Best Regards, Cameron Frye
in the Lars trick where the arrow moves around a person he is simply using arrows which are spined incorrectly (for straight arrow flight). He took advantage of the archers paradox, using arrows under/over spined so that they take a while for the fletches to "correct" the arrow flight. Still a VERY dangerous thing to do, even if he practiced it thousands of times using manikins. I still cringe when I see his shots involving volunteers. I think the perception that his bow is a toy is because of the comments regarding the draw weights he obviously uses. 30 lbs is much lighter than the bows used in war this is true, but we don't use armor anymore. A 30 lbs bow will still turn you into a pin cushion, even with a "blunt" broadhead. Remember LARP arrows shown in the video at 4:45 have a max draw weight of 30lbs at a maximum of 28" draw. what would happen if I shot the larp arrow out of a 60lbs recurve at my draw length of 30"? assuming that the spine was stiff enough and it didn't shatter the arrow, i'd say catastrophic failure of the foam tip, causing the shaft to go straight through the target.
These kind of comments about bows being toys... Chances are, it's the kind of people that shoot their arrows at pet cats and using field tips on other wild life animals with no idea about arrow placement. No care factor about safety or animal cruelty.
I have to say that you are 100% correct that the bows we use in our hobby are not only bows are not toys in anyway shape or form. the lightest of bows can cause injury. So well said and thank you
I agree. As an ER physician I sent a message to Lars expressing my admiration of his great skill but my disappointment in violating the common sense rule of using people as obstacles and targets including having someone shooting an arrow at him!! Human error is inevitable and sooner or later someone is going to get seriously hurt. What is most concerning are the “copycat archers” who think they are good enough to do his trick shooting and their “volunteers” acting as targets and obstacles. Even a toy bow comes with safety warnings!! A pencil is just a pencil till I stab you then it is a weapon. Even toys can be weaponized (see Jorge on the slingshot channel). He shows what can be done with toys but he does not ever use people! Entertainment is great but not at the risk of life and limb and eyeballs! Doc
NU, im glad you bought this up and calling him out, keeping the awareness of safety, because all the sports first thing we explained to beginner are safety, no matter where you are....
A well spoken rant NUSensei! I for one believe any weapon should never be pointed at another person unless in self defense and the person truly believes they are at risk of great injury or death. Even with that said, usually its just best to avoid ever using a weapon on another person. Over 15 years of training in Tae Kwon Do, Judo and Golden Glove boxing. Even hitting a person can leave them seriously hurt or damaged for a life time. Keep up the good work in your videos!
I have 3 guns, and some people would refer to all 3 of them as toys. But, in actuality, of the three, only my long-range water gun and my high-capacity Nerf gun are toys. My rickety old BB gun is *not* a toy. If a pill bottle can't stand up to the impact of a BB, what makes anyone think that you could shoot a person with it and *not* puncture their skin? A BB gun can shoot out the glass of an old CRT television set, that's nowhere near safe enough for it to be considered a toy. Heck, I ingrained gun safety so much into the way I handle guns and gun-like things that I'm hesitant to even point toy guns at people, much less my BB gun.
When I went to basic, I learned the 4 rules of weapon safety, I have applied this rules to bows as I have recently started making and shooting them. Nowadays I sell power tools, though many guys like to call these tools "toys", we all know they only partially fit that definition because we enjoy using these tools/toys. However the way Dan used the word 'toy' here completely disregards that understanding. Here are my 4 rules of weapon safety translated from firearms to bows; Be aware of your target, and what is beyond your target, never draw loaded unless your sights are on the target, never point your weapon at anything you do not wish to destroy, and since bows don't have a safety feature, no need for rule number 4. By the way, I recently discovered your videos, and have been watching for the past week now, and subscribed. You are awesome!
I never shot a bow , but i like NUSenseis video and passion for Archery. If i would start to learn Archery i would definitely handle my Bow like a Weapon (locked up and only shown if i would have control of the situatuion)
Back in Archery class we played a game where we shot frisbees with arrows that had wide, flat plungers at the tip. Those arrows still managed to stick up from the soil when shot hard enough.
I am a LARPer, and even our arrows need to be highly specialised. For example the LARP arrows of IDV-Engineering are considered "injury-free" up to 35 pounds of draw-weight, but are recommended only to be fired by bows of up to 25 pounds (the max. allowed strenght for bows on most German LARPs) to allow for a safety margin. (They even offer pay a 3mil Euro insurance should an injury occur while using one of these arrows, when used correctly!) These arrows have highly specialised heads specifically made for this purpose, and even they can leave nasty bruises, if fired at close range. (LARP archers in Germany are advised to not shoot from a full draw in close quarters). If used competitively, for example in Arrow-Tag or similar sports protective clothing is still advised! We like to use these arrows when we are invited to childrens events for example in schools or kindergardens with 14-16 pound bows. Much safer and you need far less safety equipment. And children have far more fun shooting at pyramids of cans or targets that drop when hit. Additionally I sell these arrows to beginners as well as parents of children and teenagers, so they can begin shooting bows at home in their driveways or gardens with little danger and less need of supervision. (Which I still highly recommend! But I know parents... *sigh*) But even these arrows I would not consider "toys"! Rather sports-equipment with a less likelihood for injury than regular arrows. What Lars Anderson does? Not effing safe at all!
Like I said in my comment, the arrows you guys make is no less safer if used irresponsibly, because it'd be like sending a tiny boxer's fist flying into someone's eye socket.
The arrowheads of professional LARP-arrows, like those of IDV, are larger than an eye socket, and for that very reason. Even when hit at full force the most that should happen is a really bad black eye. IDV did extensive testing to that end. But there are always freak accidents. Regarding homemade LARP-arrows I do not consider them very safe, because most are not well made... Some people even voiced concerns that IDV LARP-arrowheads were to "springy", and that an arrow could bounce of off plate armour and then could enter another players helmet visor flying nock first and stab out an eye...
If they want to call it a toy, see how okay they would be to be shot with it. I doubt they'd take you up on your offer. Like people who try to say a .22 rimfire is a peashooter, but they'd never stand in front of one being fired.
When i was young (13 or so) i got point blanked by a larp arrow in the stomach from a 20-something pound bow. i was on the ground wheezing for air for minutes. blunt, soft, low power, and it still sent me kneeling.
Awsome response, great video! Not too long ago in this area a young child was at an archery range pulling arrows and ended up stabbing herself in the neck with the NOCK. Quickly given aid and taken to the hospital where she ultimately survived. Bows are not toys and are to be respected as such...this is the first thing I teach to students.
Sensei is telling it like it is. Solid rant, good PSA. If broadheads are to AP bullets or hunting rounds, Blunt heads effectively make arrows into wad-cutters, just as dangerous. You get hit with a pointed bullet as opposed to a flat nose bullet it's going to suck either way. A bow is no more a toy than a hunting rifle or a target pistol...
I put a lot of hot rubber expecting to make an arrow safer, however when I shot it, the smack was much more powerful than the target arrows. It penetrated much deeper and left a much larger opening
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The thing I notice talking with many archers is that they spent so many on that "perfect" bow, that they cant imagine that someone can make a bow out of a PVC Tube powerfull enough to throw an arrow (with no thought put on spine) tiped with a head made out of a spoon that could kill a dear.... they can't because (to them) admitting that "someone doesn't need what you bought to do similar to what you can do with what you bought" makes their spent of money superfulous.
About 15 years ago, I made a mistake that "redpilled" me to archery safety. Long story short, I felt some feather fletching on my left arm. It left a white mark. I take full responsibility, the shooter did nothing wrong, but it was my idiotic leadership that lead them to taking the shot. A little lower and I would have a scar and possibly a damaged bone.
The argument of “it’s just a toy” doesn’t hold up, as someone who has done years of Ju-jitsu training, using everything from pencils, combs and sets of keys as improvised weapons, most things can become weapons. To accept his assertion it’s ok because it’s just a toy, I’d ask him if he would be ok if I shot him with my 22lb “toy bow” at 20 yards? If I can hit the target stand and get the arrow stuck in wood so much that I need a tool to remove it, what does he think will happen to his flesh? I bought my son a 10.5lb bow with the bluntest arrows available, I still wouldn’t willingly let myself be shot by it, the distance my 6 year old can send those arrows tells me it isn’t something you’d want to get in the way of. Doing clout style shots it can still send an arrow well over 20 yards.
I used to teach archery at summer camp. So many of the kids thought they were toys, I had more bows pointed at me than I can remember. The biggest problem is that some of the kids just couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that they are weapons.
Bows are weapons, hands down. Just like the firearm, a bow can be called sporting equipment and a even a tool, but that doesn't change the fact that it is designed and optimized to kill game and adversaries in war-time.
100% agree, and I'm sure just about everyone does too! I think only people who are NOT archers are capable of making a comment such as this Dan's - and it comes from total ignorance and inexperience with actual archery. I think any time you read these really dumb comments you can assume it is an armchair archer - who thinks bows are cool, but they have probably never even seen a bow in real life.
Whilst i dont see my compound bow as weapon like a gun i still treat it as if it is as dangerous as a gun. I go hunting with my bow and guns and i treat my bow as if it is just as dangerous as a gun and all of the principals are the same. Both can hurt you even if you think it isnt loaded or even if you view them as a toy. If you arent smart enough to be safe with a bow you shouldnt be using one.
They are as much a toy as a rifle for clay shooting or a shotgun for clay shooting or sport shooting. To clarify they are weapons used for sport. It bothers me too when people call weapons toys.
I've had severe bruising from paintballing, so I can only imagine that the bottom end of the injury spectrum for arrows STARTS with 'minor' puncture wounds and only escalates from there.
Well said NUSensei. In my family, we learn proper firearm safety with NERF toys. To anyone who thinks that blunt tips are safe. Blunt "tips" are used in hunting. Imagine a field tip as a cone only the tip is essentially a cylinder. It has no point. These hunting tips are often used on small game, squirrel, rabbit, pigeon, etc. The goal is for a blunt force trauma to cause severe internal damage to create death or enough shock that a hunter could then retrieve the game and dispatch manually. The goal of the blunt tip is to prevent skewering the animal causing so much damage that edible meat has been severally reduced.
It's like people who call .22lr a toy (unless they mean range toy, but that's a distinct adjective for a reason). Even if it's comparatively weak, that doesn't make it objectively weak.
My 30 pound bow with a bodkin goes straight thru a car door and a broad head would easily pierce clothing and be lethal to a human at that poundage. I'd argue even as low as 15 pounds is more than lethal to a human depending on the tip and range. Some less talented individuals even think a .22LR is a toy until they actually get shot by one.
Well at the distance from the Lars video, my "light" 25# bow with target points would put an arrow clean through a person unless it would hit bone. I guess Lars knows what he's doing and the video was created after detailed research and lots and lots of training.
I would not want Lars to shoot at me. When he says that in the case of a mistake the arrow will fly outwards rather than inwards, I can only imagine that this is the most likelly kind of mistake. I can not believe it never flies too far inwards.
Blunt target tips burry so deeply into wood, that I carry around a morakniv wood workers knife to cut the arrow out of whatever it happened to get jammed inside of. And these are weak target bows. I know for a fact that a broadhead will penetrate through a deer with one of these weaker bows.
I regard bows as more of a hunting tool, but then again, so is a rifle. the way I learned archery (though I haven't shot one in a long while) was treating it as something designed to go through a target, whether that target is a hay bale or a deer. all it ever takes to hurt or kill someone is ONE mistake, same as a longsword, same as a firearm, same as anything ment to kill.
I wonder what people are thinking, bows were made especially to kill animals (small or large) as well as later on used by many civilisations as their main weapon of war. Any bow can and will be dangerous if used wrongly (unless your objective is to kill somebody but you'd be messed up for doing that). A bow today is not always a weapon, but it certainly is not a toy as you have explained really well. What on Earth goes through some people's minds... I'm not even wondering anymore why I've seen so many articles of people shooting others or themselves thinking their gun was "safe". Please, people, if you're going to use something that was engineered to damage - make sure you understand the risks and how to lower those risks to 0. Understand what you are using.
Three years ago I recorded myself shooting an 18-pound youth bow by placing my phone behind a steel plate with only a camera sticking out from behind, then shooting it with normal target points. It dented the plate and the phone behind it, the phone was sent flying and turned off from shock. No bow is a toy
I use a recurve hunting bow and always saw it as a weapon. I have some air rifles and co2 pistols these are also weapons in the end. They shoot a projectile that can hurt you really bad or in the very worst case kill you. Safty is always important with weapons and also with tools!
NUSensei, good for you for speaking up. I wonder if Dan was just trolling trying to get a rise out of you. I thought Archery to kids with bows 10#_12# and they shot into compressed cardboard. I would use the kids bow and shoot an arrow into the bail, then ask if any kid could stick their finger into said bail. It was an eye opener for them. Thank you. Alan
Was tought from the time I started shooting firearms and archery that no matter what you have to take responsibility for the shots you execute. An arrow from a 20 pound bow can and has killed deer and similar sized game. If it can kill a deer it can kill you. No bow is a toy, no arrow is a toy, they are tools to be used for hunting, recreation, competition, etc. Respect your tools and the people around you
My first bow was a real toy (it looked like something you would buy from Nerf) which I got from a Tecumseh play when I was 7. My uncle said be careful because you can really hurt yourself or someone else. Even a toy can injure or kill.
Once, when I was young and unexpierienced, I drew a 15 pound bow towards me. The broadhead was near my foot. I went to aim, and let go. The arrow went through my foot. Luckily, I am okay and healed today as a teenager. I got lucky. Lesson: Don't f*ck around with bows.
I would always recommend an aspiring archer to join a club and engage in some form of formal training. Regardless of the club, I'm sure they would emphasise the safety aspect of the sport. It was certainly drilled into me when I first started out. I suspect Dan is no archer and I also suspect he didn't think through his comment before he posted. No doubt after watching this video he will see the 'light' and be imbued with contrition and shame. The video was made in passion and I fully understand the emotion given Dan's comment. I'm certain Dan wouldn't like to stand up to my 45lb recurve at 20 paces shooting a broadhead. If it can pass through a hog at that distance, I'm pretty sure being hit in the chest would ruin Dan's day. Flaxen Saxon
Bows should be treated with the same respect on how you fear to be shot upon ourselves, an arrow to the shoulder taught me that the hard way, be safe peeps
There is no telling how many deer have been killed with dull broad heads. To think that those "blunt" broad heads are not dangerous someone must either have little experience with archery or be insane.
I love this video, guns and bows, especially bullets and arrows, are tools, not toys. They can be very fun and very enjoyable like a child with a toy but maximum safety steps as they can. I have a very large back yard and shoot but whenever I see something in my line of sight ( pets family neighbors horses ECT) I always keep my arrows off the string, off the bow. Unless I'm hunting and even then my senses are very very focused on making sure my broadheads are either in my quiver, or always maximum length away from myself and anyone with me. ( I've cut myself taking one off and it was bad, luckily I diddnt need stitches but I won't even touch broadheads now lol I use pliers) safety should be number 1 in and with everything you do, driving, shooting, fishing, sports, hunting, ECT
Excellent points and very well made. It sounds as though the comments that offended you were made by someone who is completely ignorant / uninformed about bows, arrows and the entire field of archery.
just rewatching some old vids, you know how it is, and id like to comment on what a bow (esp a olympic bow) "is". for a very accurate word to label a bow as, is would use the word "instrument". the definition almost works perfectly, if you disagree, how about "tool"? it also fits what a bow does. what are your thoughts are on this? let me know :D!!!
Range safety. Want that made clear to you. Join a archery club at a military base. When our club president pulls out his drill Sergeant voice. You know For sure. A line has been crossed. Second one of my club mates Is a viking reenactor. He is training to qualify to shoot Flu flu arrows with rubber blunts at others. With a 30 pound long bow. To qualify. He has to repeatedly hit. A shield balanced against a spear sticking out of the ground. On top of the spear shaft is a metal shield bosse balancing. It cannot hit the ground. Nothing can Fall over. It is incredibly hard to do at 25 yards.
ive had field points punch right through my steel trash can that sits behind my target and that was when I was shooting at 35 lbs and I'm currently shooting 45 lbs might possible put my 50 lb limbs on my take down bow and a broadhead no matter how dull is extremely dangerous and anyone that doesn't take safety and reality seriously needs to go back to grade school.
According to German weapon law a weapon is a tool that can store energy for acceleration of a projectile. A bow can not store energy in contrast to a crossbow. That's why I'd rather call it a deadly sporting tool. My 38 lbs recurve could easily puncture a body, even covered by a thick jacket. Archery is a very dangerous sport without safety rules.
But bows DO store energy - that is how they work. The difference in how a crossbow and a bow do it is the bow requires the user to continue holding the string drawn to maintain it's stored energy and a crossbow does not. But it is still the BOW that has the energy stored in its limbs. Actually by that definition a gun would not be a weapon either - guns do not store any energy to accelerate a projectile - the projectiles themselves store the energy. Also - there are plenty of wepons that are not projectile based. A sword or dagger are weapons too but have no projectiles. (I know I am being pedantic lol - just saying that wording for what makes a weapon is a little off).
The German weapon law discerns between melee and projectile weapons. He was just talking about the projectile weapon part, melee weapons have their own definitions. The German law (simplified) defines a projectile weapon as a device that drives a projectile along a barrel or grove and that can store energy by chemical or mechanical means. A bow cannot store energy. (The moment you release it the energy gets released.) A bow therefore is not a weapon for the purposes of the German weapons law. (But there are other laws concerning the use of bows in Germany, as do slingshots.) A gun stores energy chemically via its propellant. This includes potato cannons by the way! They are treated as weapons under the German law by definition and are therefore illegal to own or operate without proper permits. Airguns like softair or paintball markers and even NERF-guns are only extempt if they fulfill certain criteria, for example they have to be below a certain amount of joules. Again, this is very simplified. The whole law and it's definitions covers many pages!
Indeed, the WaffG covers over 40 paragraphs plus in additon there is the WaffV for further regulation. I was only talking about a bow not falling under the matching definition of the WaffG, especislly being excluded by the WaffV - of course, there are also melee weapons as well as other ranged "weapons" regulated. The difference between a bow and a weapon by the difinition of the law is that you need to keep using energy to maintain it being ready to fire whereas you do not need to do this when handeling a gun or cross bow. They store energy without the need of the application of permanent physical energy, the WaffV explains it. E.g., fireworks would also be considered as a weapon but the WaffV excludes it.
You once said that our power is in backmuscles and not in biceps for archery .So my question is how should your backmuscles and shoulders should work and it's position. And how to keep our shoulders relaxed and keep the bow stable?
Don't grip the bow. Lean the bow in your hand. It's your drawing arms back muscles that keeps it sturdy. Never grip the bow, it can and will cause you less consistency. Your arm that is holding the bow is just like a stand that holds it for your drawing arm to pull the string and ending in a circle movement of your shoulder joint. Meaning, on release. Relaxing the release arm but tensing your back. Or you can watch NUSensei's videos. He explains alot of this that you are asking.
+Dhanesh Shirke The only control of the bow you should have is with your drawing arm. If you feel like you are shaking too much at your anchor point. Then you are using a too heavy draw weight and should switch the limbs untill you can pull the heavier ones. Maybe this could be your issue. (I had the same issue, so i had to work out my back untill i could draw the bow without shaking.) The draw should be clean and smooth. Any jidders while drawing it or holding it means you are not ready for that draw weight.
Having been blinded in one eye by a 'Toy bow' when I was 8 (and nearly died) I can speak from experience. Bows are not toys
I was practicing one time with my 50-pound bow, and it slipped out of my left hand at around half draw. The string gave me a stripe across my face for a week, from the recoil.
When I was a kid we would make survival bows, and arrows out of wooden rods. The bows we made were never to powerful, and we never made or used arrow heads. The arrows being blunt as a stump didn't stop me from catching an arrow to the calf muscle. Subsequently sending me to the hospital with a pretty deep puncture wound. Bows are not toys, and should be treated with respect. The same safety practiced with firearms should always be applied to archery.
One of the best examples on here for sure.
"This [twang] is not a F@#*ING toy". Best comment in the entire video.
A friend was retrieving his arrows at archery club while some (poorly supervised) beginners were shooting 20 self bows the other end of the line. He received a target point arrow (fairly blunt) in the lower leg, which fully pierced his calf and necessitated surgery and an overnight stay in hospital. Not a toy.
I strongly disagree with Lars Andersen's curving trick shot being used to shoot around people. Penn Jilette said it best when he said: "Teller and I believe it is morally wrong to do things on stage that are really dangerous. It makes the audience complicit in unnecessary human risk". Curving an arrow around an expensive vase or something else that the audience can feel anxious about is sufficient.
Lars Andersen isn't doing a magic trick, where the outcome is known. He's not sawing someone in half whilst knowing their body isn't actually in the way of the saw. He's relying on a skillshot. That introduces the possibility of human error. A bad day. A faulty piece of equipment. Another person moving into the path of the arrow by mistake. Any number of freak accidents.
This is why even the most elite target archers still don't do exhibition performances where they shoot apples of the heads of people. It might be doable, and for some, it would even be quite easy 99% of the time. But that 1 time that the arrows goes too low is enough of a risk that it's just not done.
I would NOT trust Lars Andersen to shoot around me with an arrow, even if he showed me how he could do it around a dummy 100 times. I think it's irresponsible and morally wrong.
You gotta admit though, being able to curve your shots to not hit expensive pottery would be really handy if you don't want your payout docked every mission.
What's your experience with archery?
Ever heard of Howard Hill? He was a famous archer from the 1930s to 1950s. He did most of the stunt shots for the early Robin Hood movies, and famously killed a bull elephant in Africa with a longbow (before that became seriously uncool). There's a video in which he shoots an apple off a man's head, and then a prune. His volunteer loses his nerve when he proposes a cherry for the next shot...
I agree with Nu - when Lars does his curving shot, its trajectory begins AWAY from the brave volunteer. It only moves visibly toward the volunteer as the curve works. If the stunt shot failed, the arrow would simply fly off to the side.
I have shot an 80 lb longbow for years. I got it because I wanted to experience something like a medieval war bow. Yes, it gives arrows authority, often sending them right through the hay bales to break or get lost (!!) on the other side. But I learned with a 30 lb fiberglas recurve bow before I graduated to the longbow. The 30 lb bow may lack the power and range of the longbow, but I guarantee it can kill you just as dead should things go terribly wrong.
War bows have lots of power for two reasons: 1) for long range, and 2) in the hope of defeating armor. At closer range, a 30 lb bow is plenty to kill a deer - or an unarmored man.
The "just a toy" idea nearly caused a terrible accident once on my watch. I was supervising an SCA archery tourney at Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. We were all lined up and shooting when an obviously moronic mundane woman decided it would be FUNNY to ride a bicycle across the row of targets - which she did, laughing like it was the last thing she'd ever do. Of course there were immediate cries of "Hold!" and, "Bows down!" - including from me - and fortunately she didn't get her death wish fulfilled. But there were plenty of bows on that line that could have killed her - from the 60-80 lb longbows down to the "toy" 30 lb recurves.
An arrow can still kill you just as dead as it did in the Middle Ages. Bows aren't toys!
Not to mention blunt arrows are used in hunting to kill (knock out) smaller animals so their fur is not damaged.
"Knock out" is really just a nice way to say "bludgeoned to death."
Arrows hurt, sharp or blunt
My son's 15 pound bow gets locked up right next to my rifles. This is how we make sure he doesn't mistake it for a toy.
You have every right to be this triggered.
My 30lb practice bow fitted with broadheads will go through 4 layers of rubber wellington boot ( don't ask, it was in the garage) and 8"-10" into a solid packed cardboard box behind at 15 yards - I think it may well leave more than a bruise if it hit someone! It will only take a few incidents with inexperienced people trying to copy these sort of tricks before we all end up having to get a permit to own our bows or worse.
It gave me a funny look!.....but 4 layers of welly is probably a lot tougher than skin ...anyway wellies are the only thing you can legally bow hunt in UK and I always eat any wellies I murder! ( they can very dangerous when cornered! and they were illegally introduced Chinese wellies not the native British welly so they are regarded as a pest as they introduce highly contagious Athletes Foot into the native population.)
When i was about 10 I shot my bow, a cheap fiberglass from a department store type of bow, at a hard plastic bin in my back yard. The arrow (Also cheap fiber glass) bounced off and flew back at me spinning end over end and the nock end (thankfully) hit me right in between the eye brows, leaving 2 cuts from the teeth of the nock. If it was an inch over, I would have had to be rushed to the hospital and probably lost the eye. Even this type of bow, which most archers would scoff at, can permanently damage.
The most dangerous person on a range is someone who doesn't think they are being dangerous
when i was a kid, i had an actual "toy bow" maybe a #10-15 at the very most.
my friend decided to point it towards me, and as i ran to hide, he 'accidentally let go'
the wooden arrow that i had made, burst through a plastic planter, and hit me in the side of the head...
if this hanging container of soil was not in the way i'd have been really fucked...
DraK_DaRippa Thank Jesus. No really, thank Jesus. Even if that arrow wasn’t sharpened it would’ve punched a hole right into your thin eggshell-like kid skull.
Damn be thankful that planter killed a lot of momentum that arrow had.
I don't know why toy bows are called as such when you could still take someone's eye out very easily.
6:39 You see this with guns between people who have take hunter safety courses or been on shooting teams, and those who have not. "A .22 isn't a real gun. It's a toy. Now a .45 magnum, that's a real gun."
Look up the devices Jörg Sprave builds, that are legally considered "toys" in germany. Those could kill an elephant.
Yes, they could, so Jörg is really carefull with them.
(I watch him too)
see how much they penetrate the side of his barn. A toy doesn't split a 2x4 in half but laws can be weird like that. As long as it can't shoot a bb pelet and as long as the arrow covers the exhaust, it's classified as a toy... hilarious stuff.
I can't get enough of his laugh, best laugh on the interwebs.
When you make NUSensei swear, you have clearly done something wrong. I mean, congrats, but still, you should reconsider things.
We need to have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to safety. I initially misread your comment, but I didn't say anything wrong so...
I've never see NUSensei so mad...
amazing
Makes me laugh that people dismiss bows as not being very dangerous; bows were developed as weapons of war and hunting long before firearms existed- they are still just as effective now as they were then. Wise-up, kids...
I just got back a few hours ago from shooting a compound with some of my family members, my first time shooting a bow since I was about 6 or 7 (over a decade ago being 18 now) with my child plastic bow, and both for a first time as well as using a bow made to specs for my grandfather that’s physically not all too similar with me, went extremely well. I knew much of the tactics and knowledges about actually how to do it both efficiently and safely simply by watching and remembering your videos, and I’ll say, these really are great. Thank you for your time with these, I’m not sure if you know exactly how much they help, but they do.
You helped a person you’ve never met hit the center 4 out of about 45 shots, and the target nearly every single one of those around 40 shots from 20 yards away on their first time ever holding an adult bow. Thank you for the time into doing this - honest.
Best Regards,
Cameron Frye
Well said 100%
in the Lars trick where the arrow moves around a person he is simply using arrows which are spined incorrectly (for straight arrow flight). He took advantage of the archers paradox, using arrows under/over spined so that they take a while for the fletches to "correct" the arrow flight.
Still a VERY dangerous thing to do, even if he practiced it thousands of times using manikins. I still cringe when I see his shots involving volunteers.
I think the perception that his bow is a toy is because of the comments regarding the draw weights he obviously uses.
30 lbs is much lighter than the bows used in war this is true, but we don't use armor anymore. A 30 lbs bow will still turn you into a pin cushion, even with a "blunt" broadhead.
Remember LARP arrows shown in the video at 4:45 have a max draw weight of 30lbs at a maximum of 28" draw.
what would happen if I shot the larp arrow out of a 60lbs recurve at my draw length of 30"?
assuming that the spine was stiff enough and it didn't shatter the arrow, i'd say catastrophic failure of the foam tip, causing the shaft to go straight through the target.
As a great man once said, "safety is number one priority".
These kind of comments about bows being toys... Chances are, it's the kind of people that shoot their arrows at pet cats and using field tips on other wild life animals with no idea about arrow placement. No care factor about safety or animal cruelty.
Exactly what I was thinking.
NUSensei, thank you for keeping up with comments on your videos and addressing them as that keeps everyone knowledgeable!
Sensei has turned savage
I have to say that you are 100% correct that the bows we use in our hobby are not only bows are not toys in anyway shape or form. the lightest of bows can cause injury. So well said and thank you
4:15 ... Darwin at work.
I agree. As an ER physician I sent a message to Lars expressing my admiration of his great skill but my disappointment in violating the common sense rule of using people as obstacles and targets including having someone shooting an arrow at him!! Human error is inevitable and sooner or later someone is going to get seriously hurt. What is most concerning are the “copycat archers” who think they are good enough to do his trick shooting and their “volunteers” acting as targets and obstacles.
Even a toy bow comes with safety warnings!!
A pencil is just a pencil till I stab you then it is a weapon. Even toys can be weaponized (see Jorge on the slingshot channel). He shows what can be done with toys but he does not ever use people! Entertainment is great but not at the risk of life and limb and eyeballs!
Doc
I agree! Good video. I hope people will learn that bows and arrows should be respected.
NU, im glad you bought this up and calling him out, keeping the awareness of safety, because all the sports first thing we explained to beginner are safety, no matter where you are....
A well spoken rant NUSensei! I for one believe any weapon should never be pointed at another person unless in self defense and the person truly believes they are at risk of great injury or death. Even with that said, usually its just best to avoid ever using a weapon on another person.
Over 15 years of training in Tae Kwon Do, Judo and Golden Glove boxing. Even hitting a person can leave them seriously hurt or damaged for a life time.
Keep up the good work in your videos!
I have 3 guns, and some people would refer to all 3 of them as toys. But, in actuality, of the three, only my long-range water gun and my high-capacity Nerf gun are toys. My rickety old BB gun is *not* a toy. If a pill bottle can't stand up to the impact of a BB, what makes anyone think that you could shoot a person with it and *not* puncture their skin? A BB gun can shoot out the glass of an old CRT television set, that's nowhere near safe enough for it to be considered a toy. Heck, I ingrained gun safety so much into the way I handle guns and gun-like things that I'm hesitant to even point toy guns at people, much less my BB gun.
Totally agree and as you state, not only archery suffers from this perception.
When I went to basic, I learned the 4 rules of weapon safety, I have applied this rules to bows as I have recently started making and shooting them. Nowadays I sell power tools, though many guys like to call these tools "toys", we all know they only partially fit that definition because we enjoy using these tools/toys. However the way Dan used the word 'toy' here completely disregards that understanding. Here are my 4 rules of weapon safety translated from firearms to bows; Be aware of your target, and what is beyond your target, never draw loaded unless your sights are on the target, never point your weapon at anything you do not wish to destroy, and since bows don't have a safety feature, no need for rule number 4. By the way, I recently discovered your videos, and have been watching for the past week now, and subscribed. You are awesome!
I never shot a bow , but i like NUSenseis video and passion for Archery. If i would start to learn Archery i would definitely handle my Bow like a Weapon (locked up and only shown if i would have control of the situatuion)
Back in Archery class we played a game where we shot frisbees with arrows that had wide, flat plungers at the tip. Those arrows still managed to stick up from the soil when shot hard enough.
I am a LARPer, and even our arrows need to be highly specialised.
For example the LARP arrows of IDV-Engineering are considered "injury-free" up to 35 pounds of draw-weight, but are recommended only to be fired by bows of up to 25 pounds (the max. allowed strenght for bows on most German LARPs) to allow for a safety margin. (They even offer pay a 3mil Euro insurance should an injury occur while using one of these arrows, when used correctly!)
These arrows have highly specialised heads specifically made for this purpose, and even they can leave nasty bruises, if fired at close range. (LARP archers in Germany are advised to not shoot from a full draw in close quarters). If used competitively, for example in Arrow-Tag or similar sports protective clothing is still advised!
We like to use these arrows when we are invited to childrens events for example in schools or kindergardens with 14-16 pound bows. Much safer and you need far less safety equipment. And children have far more fun shooting at pyramids of cans or targets that drop when hit.
Additionally I sell these arrows to beginners as well as parents of children and teenagers, so they can begin shooting bows at home in their driveways or gardens with little danger and less need of supervision. (Which I still highly recommend! But I know parents... *sigh*)
But even these arrows I would not consider "toys"!
Rather sports-equipment with a less likelihood for injury than regular arrows.
What Lars Anderson does? Not effing safe at all!
Like I said in my comment, the arrows you guys make is no less safer if used irresponsibly, because it'd be like sending a tiny boxer's fist flying into someone's eye socket.
The arrowheads of professional LARP-arrows, like those of IDV, are larger than an eye socket, and for that very reason. Even when hit at full force the most that should happen is a really bad black eye. IDV did extensive testing to that end. But there are always freak accidents. Regarding homemade LARP-arrows I do not consider them very safe, because most are not well made...
Some people even voiced concerns that IDV LARP-arrowheads were to "springy", and that an arrow could bounce of off plate armour and then could enter another players helmet visor flying nock first and stab out an eye...
If they want to call it a toy, see how okay they would be to be shot with it. I doubt they'd take you up on your offer. Like people who try to say a .22 rimfire is a peashooter, but they'd never stand in front of one being fired.
When i was young (13 or so) i got point blanked by a larp arrow in the stomach from a 20-something pound bow. i was on the ground wheezing for air for minutes. blunt, soft, low power, and it still sent me kneeling.
Awsome response, great video! Not too long ago in this area a young child was at an archery range pulling arrows and ended up stabbing herself in the neck with the NOCK. Quickly given aid and taken to the hospital where she ultimately survived. Bows are not toys and are to be respected as such...this is the first thing I teach to students.
Sensei is telling it like it is. Solid rant, good PSA. If broadheads are to AP bullets or hunting rounds, Blunt heads effectively make arrows into wad-cutters, just as dangerous. You get hit with a pointed bullet as opposed to a flat nose bullet it's going to suck either way. A bow is no more a toy than a hunting rifle or a target pistol...
I put a lot of hot rubber expecting to make an arrow safer, however when I shot it, the smack was much more powerful than the target arrows. It penetrated much deeper and left a much larger opening
The thing I notice talking with many archers is that they spent so many on that "perfect" bow, that they cant imagine that someone can make a bow out of a PVC Tube powerfull enough to throw an arrow (with no thought put on spine) tiped with a head made out of a spoon that could kill a dear.... they can't because (to them) admitting that "someone doesn't need what you bought to do similar to what you can do with what you bought" makes their spent of money superfulous.
Sim.
About 15 years ago, I made a mistake that "redpilled" me to archery safety. Long story short, I felt some feather fletching on my left arm. It left a white mark. I take full responsibility, the shooter did nothing wrong, but it was my idiotic leadership that lead them to taking the shot. A little lower and I would have a scar and possibly a damaged bone.
Amazing... every word he just said in that comment was wrong.
DrayvenValore Luke and I got that reference!
The argument of “it’s just a toy” doesn’t hold up, as someone who has done years of Ju-jitsu training, using everything from pencils, combs and sets of keys as improvised weapons, most things can become weapons.
To accept his assertion it’s ok because it’s just a toy, I’d ask him if he would be ok if I shot him with my 22lb “toy bow” at 20 yards? If I can hit the target stand and get the arrow stuck in wood so much that I need a tool to remove it, what does he think will happen to his flesh?
I bought my son a 10.5lb bow with the bluntest arrows available, I still wouldn’t willingly let myself be shot by it, the distance my 6 year old can send those arrows tells me it isn’t something you’d want to get in the way of. Doing clout style shots it can still send an arrow well over 20 yards.
100% this. ANYTHING can be a weapon. Heck, bare hands AKA no weapons is fucking deadly already.
Never apologize for your passion.
I used to teach archery at summer camp. So many of the kids thought they were toys, I had more bows pointed at me than I can remember. The biggest problem is that some of the kids just couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that they are weapons.
Bows are definitely weapons, they are capable of killing someone so to me it is a weapon I like to think of arrows as flying spikes
Bows are weapons, hands down. Just like the firearm, a bow can be called sporting equipment and a even a tool, but that doesn't change the fact that it is designed and optimized to kill game and adversaries in war-time.
100% agree, and I'm sure just about everyone does too! I think only people who are NOT archers are capable of making a comment such as this Dan's - and it comes from total ignorance and inexperience with actual archery. I think any time you read these really dumb comments you can assume it is an armchair archer - who thinks bows are cool, but they have probably never even seen a bow in real life.
Whilst i dont see my compound bow as weapon like a gun i still treat it as if it is as dangerous as a gun. I go hunting with my bow and guns and i treat my bow as if it is just as dangerous as a gun and all of the principals are the same. Both can hurt you even if you think it isnt loaded or even if you view them as a toy. If you arent smart enough to be safe with a bow you shouldnt be using one.
thanks...you are so right
They are as much a toy as a rifle for clay shooting or a shotgun for clay shooting or sport shooting. To clarify they are weapons used for sport. It bothers me too when people call weapons toys.
I like this version of you.
I've had severe bruising from paintballing, so I can only imagine that the bottom end of the injury spectrum for arrows STARTS with 'minor' puncture wounds and only escalates from there.
Thanks for making this video. And indeed the passion behind it. Very different one for you, but great to see.
Well said NUSensei. In my family, we learn proper firearm safety with NERF toys.
To anyone who thinks that blunt tips are safe. Blunt "tips" are used in hunting. Imagine a field tip as a cone only the tip is essentially a cylinder. It has no point. These hunting tips are often used on small game, squirrel, rabbit, pigeon, etc. The goal is for a blunt force trauma to cause severe internal damage to create death or enough shock that a hunter could then retrieve the game and dispatch manually. The goal of the blunt tip is to prevent skewering the animal causing so much damage that edible meat has been severally reduced.
It's like people who call .22lr a toy (unless they mean range toy, but that's a distinct adjective for a reason). Even if it's comparatively weak, that doesn't make it objectively weak.
Good sense, well said.
My 30 pound bow with a bodkin goes straight thru a car door and a broad head would easily pierce clothing and be lethal to a human at that poundage. I'd argue even as low as 15 pounds is more than lethal to a human depending on the tip and range. Some less talented individuals even think a .22LR is a toy until they actually get shot by one.
Well at the distance from the Lars video, my "light" 25# bow with target points would put an arrow clean through a person unless it would hit bone. I guess Lars knows what he's doing and the video was created after detailed research and lots and lots of training.
I would not want Lars to shoot at me. When he says that in the case of a mistake the arrow will fly outwards rather than inwards, I can only imagine that this is the most likelly kind of mistake. I can not believe it never flies too far inwards.
The only thing that fixes stupidity is natural selection. :P
Yeah...but it's such a slow process!
Blunt target tips burry so deeply into wood, that I carry around a morakniv wood workers knife to cut the arrow out of whatever it happened to get jammed inside of. And these are weak target bows.
I know for a fact that a broadhead will penetrate through a deer with one of these weaker bows.
I regard bows as more of a hunting tool, but then again, so is a rifle. the way I learned archery (though I haven't shot one in a long while) was treating it as something designed to go through a target, whether that target is a hay bale or a deer. all it ever takes to hurt or kill someone is ONE mistake, same as a longsword, same as a firearm, same as anything ment to kill.
Don't apologize, it needed to be said.
I wonder what people are thinking, bows were made especially to kill animals (small or large) as well as later on used by many civilisations as their main weapon of war. Any bow can and will be dangerous if used wrongly (unless your objective is to kill somebody but you'd be messed up for doing that). A bow today is not always a weapon, but it certainly is not a toy as you have explained really well. What on Earth goes through some people's minds... I'm not even wondering anymore why I've seen so many articles of people shooting others or themselves thinking their gun was "safe". Please, people, if you're going to use something that was engineered to damage - make sure you understand the risks and how to lower those risks to 0. Understand what you are using.
I completely agree, thank you so much for clearing this up for the ignorant people in the community.
Three years ago I recorded myself shooting an 18-pound youth bow by placing my phone behind a steel plate with only a camera sticking out from behind, then shooting it with normal target points. It dented the plate and the phone behind it, the phone was sent flying and turned off from shock. No bow is a toy
go off, king!
This...... is not a fuc'ing toy! Perfect! Take the rubber thing off a toy bow and I will take your eye out.
I use a recurve hunting bow and always saw it as a weapon.
I have some air rifles and co2 pistols these are also weapons in the end.
They shoot a projectile that can hurt you really bad or in the very worst case kill you.
Safty is always important with weapons and also with tools!
Brilliant video sensei I can only hope that people who have this attitude in real life never pick up anything more deadly than a cheese grater.
NUSensei, good for you for speaking up. I wonder if Dan was just trolling trying to get a rise out of you. I thought Archery to kids with bows 10#_12# and they shot into compressed cardboard. I would use the kids bow and shoot an arrow into the bail, then ask if any kid could stick their finger into said bail. It was an eye opener for them. Thank you. Alan
Was tought from the time I started shooting firearms and archery that no matter what you have to take responsibility for the shots you execute. An arrow from a 20 pound bow can and has killed deer and similar sized game. If it can kill a deer it can kill you. No bow is a toy, no arrow is a toy, they are tools to be used for hunting, recreation, competition, etc. Respect your tools and the people around you
yes my `toy bow´ with target point made 10cm deep hole in pine, I only bruised my fingers and palm trying to get arrow out.
Very well said, thumbs up.
My bow has never gone bang, however it is every bit as dangerous as those things that do ... think they call them guns. Good video. A bow is not a toy
My first bow was a real toy (it looked like something you would buy from Nerf) which I got from a Tecumseh play when I was 7. My uncle said be careful because you can really hurt yourself or someone else. Even a toy can injure or kill.
Once, when I was young and unexpierienced, I drew a 15 pound bow towards me. The broadhead was near my foot. I went to aim, and let go. The arrow went through my foot. Luckily, I am okay and healed today as a teenager. I got lucky. Lesson: Don't f*ck around with bows.
I would always recommend an aspiring archer to join a club and engage in some form of formal training. Regardless of the club, I'm sure they would emphasise the safety aspect of the sport. It was certainly drilled into me when I first started out. I suspect Dan is no archer and I also suspect he didn't think through his comment before he posted. No doubt after watching this video he will see the 'light' and be imbued with contrition and shame. The video was made in passion and I fully understand the emotion given Dan's comment. I'm certain Dan wouldn't like to stand up to my 45lb recurve at 20 paces shooting a broadhead. If it can pass through a hog at that distance, I'm pretty sure being hit in the chest would ruin Dan's day.
Flaxen Saxon
Bows should be treated with the same respect on how you fear to be shot upon ourselves, an arrow to the shoulder taught me that the hard way, be safe peeps
There is no telling how many deer have been killed with dull broad heads. To think that those "blunt" broad heads are not dangerous someone must either have little experience with archery or be insane.
you're amazing when you're angry
Calling a bow a toy is a big mistake. a bow is a weapon that can put peoples lives on the line
I suspect an blunt arrow could do more damage than a sharp one
I love this video, guns and bows, especially bullets and arrows, are tools, not toys. They can be very fun and very enjoyable like a child with a toy but maximum safety steps as they can. I have a very large back yard and shoot but whenever I see something in my line of sight ( pets family neighbors horses ECT) I always keep my arrows off the string, off the bow. Unless I'm hunting and even then my senses are very very focused on making sure my broadheads are either in my quiver, or always maximum length away from myself and anyone with me. ( I've cut myself taking one off and it was bad, luckily I diddnt need stitches but I won't even touch broadheads now lol I use pliers) safety should be number 1 in and with everything you do, driving, shooting, fishing, sports, hunting, ECT
Reminder from CXT Bow review @9:20; do a short video on old V-bars and stabilizers you mentioned awhile back :)
Excellent points and very well made. It sounds as though the comments that offended you were made by someone who is completely ignorant / uninformed about bows, arrows and the entire field of archery.
Lars uses a fifty pound bow for trick shooting how can you call a “toy bow”
just rewatching some old vids, you know how it is, and id like to comment on what a bow (esp a olympic bow) "is".
for a very accurate word to label a bow as, is would use the word "instrument". the definition almost works perfectly, if you disagree, how about "tool"? it also fits what a bow does. what are your thoughts are on this? let me know :D!!!
a 25# bow with a braud head can and has killed dear sisied game.
None of my "Compound bows" are toys 55/70 ibs,
That comment just made my day it was just hilarious
Range safety.
Want that made clear to you.
Join a archery club at a military base.
When our club president pulls out his drill Sergeant voice. You know
For sure. A line has been crossed.
Second one of my club mates
Is a viking reenactor.
He is training to qualify to shoot
Flu flu arrows with rubber blunts at others. With a 30 pound long bow.
To qualify. He has to repeatedly hit. A shield balanced against a spear sticking out of the ground.
On top of the spear shaft is a metal shield bosse balancing.
It cannot hit the ground.
Nothing can Fall over.
It is incredibly hard to do at 25 yards.
Just like dan i at one point thought bows were toys as well then i took an arrow to the knee
"This is not a ****ing toy!"
...channel description?
People died when they are killed
ive had field points punch right through my steel trash can that sits behind my target and that was when I was shooting at 35 lbs and I'm currently shooting 45 lbs might possible put my 50 lb limbs on my take down bow and a broadhead no matter how dull is extremely dangerous and anyone that doesn't take safety and reality seriously needs to go back to grade school.
According to German weapon law a weapon is a tool that can store energy for acceleration of a projectile. A bow can not store energy in contrast to a crossbow.
That's why I'd rather call it a deadly sporting tool.
My 38 lbs recurve could easily puncture a body, even covered by a thick jacket.
Archery is a very dangerous sport without safety rules.
But bows DO store energy - that is how they work. The difference in how a crossbow and a bow do it is the bow requires the user to continue holding the string drawn to maintain it's stored energy and a crossbow does not. But it is still the BOW that has the energy stored in its limbs. Actually by that definition a gun would not be a weapon either - guns do not store any energy to accelerate a projectile - the projectiles themselves store the energy. Also - there are plenty of wepons that are not projectile based. A sword or dagger are weapons too but have no projectiles. (I know I am being pedantic lol - just saying that wording for what makes a weapon is a little off).
The German weapon law discerns between melee and projectile weapons. He was just talking about the projectile weapon part, melee weapons have their own definitions.
The German law (simplified) defines a projectile weapon as a device that drives a projectile along a barrel or grove and that can store energy by chemical or mechanical means. A bow cannot store energy. (The moment you release it the energy gets released.) A bow therefore is not a weapon for the purposes of the German weapons law. (But there are other laws concerning the use of bows in Germany, as do slingshots.)
A gun stores energy chemically via its propellant. This includes potato cannons by the way! They are treated as weapons under the German law by definition and are therefore illegal to own or operate without proper permits. Airguns like softair or paintball markers and even NERF-guns are only extempt if they fulfill certain criteria, for example they have to be below a certain amount of joules.
Again, this is very simplified. The whole law and it's definitions covers many pages!
Indeed, the WaffG covers over 40 paragraphs plus in additon there is the WaffV for further regulation.
I was only talking about a bow not falling under the matching definition of the WaffG, especislly being excluded by the WaffV - of course, there are also melee weapons as well as other ranged "weapons" regulated.
The difference between a bow and a weapon by the difinition of the law is that you need to keep using energy to maintain it being ready to fire whereas you do not need to do this when handeling a gun or cross bow. They store energy without the need of the application of permanent physical energy, the WaffV explains it.
E.g., fireworks would also be considered as a weapon but the WaffV excludes it.
You once said that our power is in backmuscles and not in biceps for archery .So my question is how should your backmuscles and shoulders should work and it's position. And how to keep our shoulders relaxed and keep the bow stable?
Don't grip the bow. Lean the bow in your hand. It's your drawing arms back muscles that keeps it sturdy.
Never grip the bow, it can and will cause you less consistency.
Your arm that is holding the bow is just like a stand that holds it for your drawing arm to pull the string and ending in a circle movement of your shoulder joint.
Meaning, on release. Relaxing the release arm but tensing your back.
Or you can watch NUSensei's videos. He explains alot of this that you are asking.
Yeah I know that but it's not about how you hold the bow or grip the bow it's about how you control your bow with your back muscles and body posture
+Dhanesh Shirke
The only control of the bow you should have is with your drawing arm.
If you feel like you are shaking too much at your anchor point. Then you are using a too heavy draw weight and should switch the limbs untill you can pull the heavier ones. Maybe this could be your issue. (I had the same issue, so i had to work out my back untill i could draw the bow without shaking.) The draw should be clean and smooth. Any jidders while drawing it or holding it means you are not ready for that draw weight.
Ok then I will try it out
Just happy to help :)