How Did the Scottish Invent Fingerprinting?
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- Опубликовано: 27 окт 2023
- Scottish inventions are everywhere. Scottish history tour guide, Bruce Fummey, gives a clue as to how the Scots invented fingerprinting
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I am a retired US police officer. I worked with fingerprints all of the time as a detective supervisor. I never came across someone with no prints, but I knew about the possibility. One day, a lady came into the station and reported that her identical twin sister had been arrested by my department and used her name and now she had a warrant for her arrest. Sure enough she did. I pulled the fingerprint card taken on arrest of the bad sister along with a mugshot. There was almost no discernable difference in facial appearance, so I got one of my fingerprint examiners to print the good sister and compare prints. I believed the good sister's story, but a judge would need more proof. My examiner said their prints were nearly perfectly identical. Identical twins often had prints that were close, but rarely this close. My examiner was pretty certain that the good sister was telling the truth, but he was a little nervous about the closeness. He took the print cards to a neighboring department to have their print examiner double-check his conclusion. He did and agreed the good sister was not the one that had been arrested. I had the warrant cancelled in the police computer and asked the good sister to come in the next day to see the judge. The judge withdrew the warrant for the good sister and issued a warrant for the bad sister along with a few extra charges we laid. Everyone who knew what they were looking at were amazed at how close those prints were.
If I were the good sister, I would have gotten a couple tattoos in less seen places on my body.
Many years ago (40+), I had accidentally burned the pads two of the fingers on my left hand pretty badly. To this day, those two fingers have no prints.
When I got my CC Permit a few years ago, it freaked the Deputy printing me for their record out.
Amazing that for such a small part of a small island, Scots invented so much.
Exactly
There are around 900,000 islands in the world and Great Britain is the 9th largest. I don't know what makes you think it's a small island. Scotland is also a country, not just a part of an island.
@@thevis5465 small nation then, jeez. What crawled up your butt?
@@thevis5465gb is not a country it’s an island with nations within it. In a geographical sense we’re classed as being uk citizens for this reason.
when i said "it's a country" i clearly meant scotland, not gb. scotland is a country, not just a part of an island.@@baldy3405
It's amazing how many people invent things that later don't get the proper credit. This was an excellent story Bruce
This is true. I genuinely did propose a specification for something very much like the WWW and HMTL when I was working at BT’s Prestel around 1990…
When my mum was filling out the forms to be naturalized, she had to be fingerprinted 3 times! The lat time was by an FBI supervisor who had to attest that clear fingerprints could not be taken from her. Wonder if the modern scanning method would have worked. Doesn’t surprise me that fingerprinting was invented by a Scot. Ideas and technology have always been some of Scotland’s greatest exports.
"Thieves don't leave fingerprints on thunder" is one of the most astounding sentences I've ever heard. Your use of language, ability to teach and deliciously dry humour is truly captivating and my pleasure to behold. Add that you are speaking in a foreign tongue, very impressive 😉. Using my 2nd language... thanks Cobba and see yous next time in Downunder 🙃
Great new video! Only Mr Bruce can make fingerprints exciting! Super excited Mom here. My daughter is getting ready to spend the spring semester in Edinburgh! I send her Bruce’s videos all the time 😁😁🖤🖤
Brilliant
look up Sir Francis Galton.
sadly, you're right about the other symptoms of IDD. and you're also right about the people who do the hard work normally having their thunder stolen.
You’re outside of my old house at The Cross. Also, Dr. John Witherspoon lived at The Cross before emigrating to the US and is a signatory on the Declaration of Independence and former President of Princeton University.
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Reece Witherspoon's distant relation 👌
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That’s so fun!
Your biographical/historical stories are uniformly great. Thank you for introducing the true founder of the science of fingerprint identification to us!
Glad you enjoyed it!
When I was in college and getting ready to spend a semester in London I had to do the biometric scan, and the guy had such a hard time getting my fingerprints in the system because they where so worn down from all the work I did on the keyboard of the computer. I can’t imagine not having any fingerprints at all. It’s kinda a horrifying thought.
That was very interesting, I do enjoy these videos about inventors and our role in shaping things we all take for granted now.
Glad you enjoyed it
Only up an hour and over 1000 views. Thats brilliant bruce. Keep up the brilliant work m8🥃👍🏴
The way you present Scottish history is very interesting and certainly not boring!
Thank you
Wonderful story Bruce and you're right, very bittersweet. How sad it is that great minds can think alike but not share alike. Still, I'm thankful that Dr. Faulds shared his findings with the world. I hope he has found heavenly peace in the fact that he's saved millions of innocent people from suffering had he not shared his findings. I'm glad that his home town at least recognizes the truth. That monument is very nice and not cheap!
Excellent story! Love your videos about Scotland's history. Thanks for posting!
Thanks again Bruce, another Scottish inventor to add to my list . Another great video. 🏴
Glad you enjoyed it
Excellent video Bruce. Seemed even more informative minute by minute than usual, very efficient!
It seems amazing to me how much clever people were able to achieve in a lifetime before distractions like streaming tv and digital media.
Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) followed the development of forensics in Great Britain, and was the first to write a novel in which fingerprints were used to solve a crime. He published THE TRAGEDY OF PUDD'NHEAD WILSON in 1893-94.
Very interesting, I had never heard of him but he should be credited with the discovery
Indeed
Superb Bruce as always! Kept this one quiet after seeing you at Eastwood the other week. My wee toon on the tube! ☺️
Saturday morning ritual!
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Lots of Scots down here in south Wales - my wife is such a precious import! We met them all over the south Wales valleys when I used to gig around the area - usually other such imports and around one or two per club!
Incredible sloothing Bruce...what great history and human story telling too!
look up Sir Francis Galton
omg @1:30 the way you stick out your face when you say "he was scottish" is just incredibly adorable...
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we're here ...... thanks for your time
Thank you too
Good afternoon Bruce
Morning!
My mother in law was fingerprinted at the age of 63 and they came up with nothing at three different facilities. We thought bleach was the cause.
I am told that when Pineapple processing was done by hand, that none of the workers had fingerprints... Also my Dad had no fingerprints. When he was a wee lad, (Ithink 3ish) he grabbed a piece of burning rubber tire out of the wood stove, and was badly burned to the point where his fingerprints never grew back.
This is pure dead brilliant!!
This is so cool! I just discovered your channel and its a real treasure trove. As a history fan I'm already addicted
Welcome aboard!
Hi. Similar to this, it was a Scotsman who first used a motor vehicle to chase down a felon! Admittedly, it was not in Scotland, but was when he was a sergeant of Police in Northampton.
In 1905 or 6, can't remember when exactly, but I am sure that Northamptonshire County Records have it, Sergeant Hector Daniel MacLeod, born in Portsoy, not far from Elgin, flagged down a driver of one of those 'new fangled' motor carriages and asked the driver to give him a lift to an address in the suburbs of Northampton, as a felon had absconded from the County Court, whilst awaiting trial. Great Grandpa Hector, knowing the chap in question and his limited brains, knew where he was going and found the fastest way to get there before him. So, on arrival and, presumably, thanking the helpful member of the public, he waited around the corner for this felon to arrive, when he promptly re-arrested him.
Hector MacLeod retired from the Police, after becoming Deputy Chief Constable of Northamptonshire.
I would not be surprised if he moved to Northamptonshire because he married a MacDonald, of all things! To seal the strange genealogy of my family's Scottish roots, his oldest daughter, my Granny, married a man with Campbell blood. I, therefore, am traditionally required to beat myself up occasionally!
Jock MacJock Jock Jock. That's my name too! Thank you, Bruce. I've got to hand it to you; you have a way of making a point about a subject of which I didn't have an inkling.
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Really interesting! Thanks Bruce 💜
Brilliant video Bruce 👍👍
Always informative and entertaining and I love watching ghe channel grow with subscribers - thank you!
So nice of you
You should come to the US and do shows. Maybe even at a few Highland Games here. You'd be very popular and welcome. All the Scottish Americans would love to hear the stories you have about our ancestors homeland histories.
It's too much bother getting a work visa.
Minute 6:53: James Burnett, Lord Monboddo! Yes, a video about him, please! (you could pad it, if necessary, with his contemporary Embro cronies like Lord Kames, James Boswell and Robert Fergusson).
Cheers for the video...
No problem 👍
How interesting 👌
A'reyt Bruce. Another great bit of investigation. The evidence was provided in a convincing way, but sadly that case was closed.
Silly me, I thought at the start you were going to do the old sick joke of pulling your hands up your sleeves and saying "look no hands" and declare the joke "armless".
Still, it does make this method for positive ID potentially discriminitory, though not in the way you described.
My grandad (who served both in Burma ww2 and thereafter 25 years in the polis ) who worked as a forensic expert upon retiral from said polis told me much of this a long time ago -thank you again Bruce Coyp and are you applying for the sainteees management job😳
Nice 👍
Wow! Thank you for revealing the truth. Humans who take credit for other people's work should be....
People have a hard time getting my finger prints. I guess my grooves aren't that deep. Cool story Bruce.
I'd love a video on my home town of dumbarton. There's so many amazing topics that could be covered here. It's not what it once was but wow, is it rich in history.
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Not only do (almost all) people have unique fingerprints, so do koalas. 🐨
Theiving hairy little bastards
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Hey Bruce, I have an idea for one of your videos. An investigation of the events of Scottish history as depicted in the film Highlander, including the casting decisions that made Shur Shawn Portuguese and other clangers?
I can't imagine any amount of research on my part is going to find the answer to that question🤣
It was how they tracked Winnie Mee
Awwww I might have known it was the Scot’s lol 😂 😂😂 thank goodness I have no criminal record lol
Never got caught eh?😜
@@ScotlandHistoryTours nope not yet 😂😂😂
Similar story to James Chalmers of Dundee, whose ideas for the Postage Stamp were stolen by Rowland Hill. Grrr!
This was painful to read😮
Have you done a video on Chalmers, Bruce? BTW, looking forward to your show tonight.
12th of Nov 2004 I was 24. I lived 6 miles from there in Ardrossan. Originally from Irvine. Now live in Kilmarnock. God knows I'm getting old.
We brick and stone masons don't have finger prints. I had to be finger printed to have a background check and they couldtn't get a useable finger print.
Do they grow back after you retire?
No. I still do a lot of physical work. I was a jeweler and then a diamond salesman for a while and my finger tips stayed hard along with my callouses ha ha. The first time I ran my hands on a woman's legs wearing nylons I shredded them.@@johnlow4064
I knew finger print was scottish but now I know all details around it.
Very interesting. Loved the jab about brown skin and a Mexican accent at the US border.
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Just checked your expected travels or itinerary for the tour through Canada Bruce. Hope you can keep traveling westward into the beautiful province of British Columbia. Its a 30 hour drive from your last stop in Ontario!
I'm still organising details for Vancouver and Victoria gigs
Here you go. The listing for the Victoria show is now up. Get your tickets at www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/stories-of-scotland-tickets-777976928937
I'll be in Vancouver the night before. I'll get the listing up as soon as I can
@@ScotlandHistoryTours thanks Bruce!
Here's a link to my show in Vancouver on 12th July tinyurl.com/StoriesofScotland
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Thanks Bruce, for helping me get the ticket. Its front row, should I have a spit guard with me?
Another too notch video Bruce. I know exactly how Hendy felt, years ago while working in the tyre industry (another Scottish invention) i noticed a wee flaw in the working system for "Casings" (waste tyres) over 3 months i wrote up a business purposely & how one simply change could save & even make the company some cash...long story short my purposely was knicked by a manager....A SASANACKS MANAGER non the less😲 whom received praise, promotion & a £100k bonus.
That last one was a right kick in the auld gentlemans sausage which funnily enough is exactly what the SASANACKS tea leaf received from me along with a "slap in the puss" & a "boot up the arse".....
Also i didn't leave any fingerprints, i wore gloves😂😂😂😂
P.s. i normally wouldn't condone violence but that bastard had it coming & he made a full recovery....tho probably had to sit on a rubber ring fae a few weeks also he knew he deserved it because he insisted on not pressing charges against me🤔😂😂😂
truly makes ye proud to be a Scot when our nation have done so much for the development of our species , yet I cant help think that James Clerk Maxwell was probably the greatest contributor , but we staund oan the shouders ae giants
Any info on de Ker/Kerr or Kersland?
If you're looking for clan histories then Clint at Scottish Clans podcasts is your guy
Me and my dad are in the background When your walking down the path towards the auld kirk 😂 3:38
Runs for 13:14 nice one 😁
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As a dark skinned woman, I can tell you that face recognition software does not work for me.
There I was thinking that it was because all Scots were just tea leaves that they needed to discover whom had been taking the five finger discount...
I jest obviously, what I do note is a now common place part of life is actually another invention that came from north of the border, I wonder if it is because of the dark winter night's, it could be 🤷🏻♂️😂😊
I can now also blame Scotland for the the MET police having my finger prints, I was arrested for mistakes identity (that bit is true) 😂🎉
Fingers im every haggis !
First Comment Yay!!!! Good morning Bruce.
Morning!
Thanks again for showing how untrustworthy Google is/
Off the chip papers of old 😂
They invented everything!...and keep frogs in a tank
What a sad tale
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Hey Bruce you send a dragon than I will only need to know how much does it cost to hang with you and your family plus crew? I dont care where we go after that. You and your crew having giving me so much, not only of everyone's work . But now I feel I know more about Scotland from your eyes which makes your vids so much more instresting. Let me tell you a tell you a story always gets me. Like your were a classmate of mine to know those words stop me in my tracks to listen. Give me a bit of a heads up to SF California bay area tour Im poor so I need to save to see you. I promise to be as weird as I come off. I hope it comes off friendly. I will try to meet you. Unlike others people Im not afraid of introducing myself to you, your my age I dont feel Award around you I hope you have noticed. As someone who looks Oh so anglo saxon. Scary thing is I have seen my face in old painting of that time period, but have that yellow chicken color (when Tanned I look like oven baked chicken ) I cool with that.. Now thats funny. I have more bad gene jokes. That I was born into. Its my mixed breed human. We also both grew up in fog and real fresh air. I did get zits til my 30ties. I hope everyones Samhain was safe n fun.
Bruce I knew a very small bit about finger prints til thr movie bsnditas. I have seen other movies but that is the closest I know how they came up with that Tehnique of course the scotish came up with it . I love you Bruce the Scottish learned that tehnique like urban camouflage. (I have a nerdy Dad went from war games to D & D games for 25 years from Daly City CA to Concord CA I was a teen wehen D & D came out My pencil neck geek. I got him to tell me stories when he was DM. I was in my early 30ties, If I didn't play My Dad would tell me the story of how the game went n how player would find or not find stuff or passages. It was way too cool and my dad played with the same players til they all stopped after 2 yrs than passed most of they D & D stuff too pre young D & D future players. You and I are about to see our sexy 6oties Hug your wife for me You seem to be a bit more happy. Maybe that is just from touring. I want to say you n crew did a great job during lock down.
Who is Sir Francis Galton ? Bruce
Now you know the answer to that... Why is the question mark there ? PJ😜
6:10 Yes, a Dermott had glyphia, what of it?
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Fingerprints were used in India for hundreds of years before being “discovered”
Ahhh, what have I done with my life lol
An Englishman stealing a Scots idea, who'd have thunk it....😂😂😂
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Did he not invent the "fingerprint" Bruce? 😜
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Before actually starting the Video . I thought the Answer was " The Coal Miners Fingerprints , on the Pastors Wife's Arse " . 😂.
I figured , correctly it seems , that fine Coal Dust would be involved somewhere . Great Story , about Typical Pommies thieving ways .
Oh er
Samuel Guthrie discovered chloroform and never gets the credit either lol.
I thought was James Young Simpson 👀
@@ScotlandHistoryTours It was discovered by Samuel Guthrie (a distant cousin of mine) that same year. It's an interesting tale.
Too frugal to buy paint brushes 😂😂😂.
Whorls.
Scotland has contributed an awful lot to Police Sciences, and Fire Science (Edinburgh having the very first Fire Department).
Without us wily, crafty Scots, the world would be a far poorer place. 🤪
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Excellent presentation. I'd no idea - sure most hadn't.
As for Darwin, they🏴 can have him...
'Evolution':
One of the greatest Lies ever told or fallen for - and the faulty premise with which the sick business of 'racism' is all predicated on.
(I'd imagine, nothing the likes of Faulds would've ever fallen for himself)
Please don't say the person who was claiming to have preceded Darwin was a black lab tec
"Being Scottish, you know there's going to be some bitter and sad". Which is why Bluegrass and Country/Western music tells all sorts of horrible tales. 😄
Bruce I understand that you don't want to come to England as it is a filthy place so I suggest that you come to London instead 😂
I have been trying, but struggling with the in between gig in Corby
Aw how this reminds me of my first christmas
Being finger pnetrid by cops ...
Anarcho communism is the party of enlightenment
DonsXDragons Mc
F#n Churchill. One of a long line of political machinators, more to come. Surely, he had his trials and great successes but, at heart, he was a political animal and a turn-coat, 3 times over.
Sadly history is full of theft of great inventions and discoveries
That's me.Done, e've hud anuff o' this, em Scots but this Scottishness is boring now,em unsubscribing,Mankind is dieing lawfully for the universal masters,and yir supposed to be still getting entertained we stuff like this!
Mind the door disnae skelp ye on the way oot.
That was kind of bizarre
As a whole, having some Scottish roots myself, I thoroughly enjoy your content. However, if your jibe at American border policy was meant as a joke, you missed by a mile.
Also, "...he died in diminished financial circumstances. "
.....poor. The word you were looking for is "poor". He died "poor". Never use a 5£ sentence, when a 50p word will do.
'diminished financial circumstances' and 'poor' re not synonomous and it was a perfectly good joke that Scottish folk will find funny. I'm pretty sure Americans with a sense of humour will get it as well.
"Never use a 5£ sentence, when a 50p word will do."
That's good advice when writing a technical report or a similar document where clarity is paramount, but terrible advice when writing to entertain. Context matters.
Just home from your Dundee show, great night with loads of laughter. I was the one who knew Sherlock Holmes was Scottish 😂😂😂😂
Well done you😜 and thanks for coming
Henry Faulds was ethnically English
the name faulds (folds) is an english name mis-spelled, just like how you're an african and bruce is a norman name so you're an african with a norman name hes an english man with a mis-spelled surname.
Your handle seems well chosen, though given your comment @Jasonthbastardthatknowsfuckall might be slightly more accurate🤣🤣🤣
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Its an english name it means someone that made the folds in armour that reflect arrows, lowland scots are for the most part ethnically english and thats a fact, not many inventions come out of the highlands of scotland no? not many at all, none actually... funny that... so much for all these great scottish inventions none of them are actually scottish
I refer you to my previous statement
@@ScotlandHistoryTours There's always truth in humour, especially Scottish humour.
What on earth is " ethnically English". Do you imagine some white aboriginal druid-like tribe who spoke English and were slightly troubled when the Romans, Vikings,Bretons, Celts, Normans, and Germanic migrants arrived, probably in small boats?