DRG: Seasons Need To Evolve
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0:42 A thesis on why I hate drg now
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Hey! Thanks for showing the playerbase y'all Devs check out our feedback and stuff, it's awesome to see you guys even comment on a video like this considering most companies like to stay hidden and talk purely using PR
For season 5 make new missions please
I know it's strange for a coop shooter, but I wish there was more story behind it. Overarching story. What do the lab boys do with all the eggs we found? Can a rival corp mess with our space rig? And where. The heck. Is Karl.
I want to save Karl. Or, at least, try to find him.
@@agent5657 I care a lot about it, since I can act on it as well. Keep it coming.
@@andrewmelnikov292 Leaving up to the imagination of the community and seeing their takes are just way better than anything we could ever cook up. Sometimes its way off, other times it just hits the nail perfectly.
To me it feels like the rockpox is almost a main objective. I think that it might work as a primary objective like maybe clear 3 spikes and kill a corruptor, claim rewards, and leave
Could even do something more weird
Like start with a meteor falling down and you have to do rock cracking. when it opens, it releases a corruptor and spreads rockpox around parts of the map which you have to clear up.
i agree. i think lithophage warnings should be their own mission type entirely, not just something tacked onto another mission
yea honestly there shouldve been rockpox objective missions instead of it just randomly appearing in maps like the corrupter
The spikes themselves are already fairly lengthy too, and the swarms during cleaning are worse than the ones from eggs
I mean, the mod Massive Content Revise (previously called Mission Content Randomizer) has a Decomtamination Mission, which is a cave full of rockpox and also the most difficult mission in the mod
I think the game is still incredibly enjoyable, I dont see how gsg can make a season worse than s4 after all the community feedback.
Rock and stone boys
I feel like they don't listen the community and everything is just gonna be worst. it happened before with other games.
@@MrSoso1050if you think these guys don't listen to the community, then you must've been living on Hoxxes for the last 3 years
@@Lord_Freeza1410 I don't see any changes so far during this season despite all the complains so my assumption still stands
@@MrSoso1050 Programming is a hard job and changes are slow, especially when you work for a company like GSG which has a no crunch policy. I believe they have spread themselves thin with the time frame they've given themselves to create new content for the seasons, but that sure as hell doesn't mean they don't see the criticism and take it into account. They have one of the best track records in the industry and that kind of thinking is just toxic negativity/nihilism. It would be warranted for a company like Blizzard, where their employees are too busy stealing breast milk instead of working, but I get we consumers have been abused for a long time now.
@@MrSoso1050they’ve listened to the community in the past several times
As far as seasonal events go, I have to say the meteors stand out to me for one specific reason: they spawn in during the mission rather than just be sort of sitting there to be found by players.
This little detail makes all the difference in terms of my enjoyment of them. There's nothing like the "oh shit!" factor of meteor about to pop a dreadnought egg while you're still trying to secure the surrounding area. It's this sort of surprise that makes me like them a lot more than the other events.
Yeah, there was one time I had to fight 3 dreadnoughts at once because 2 guys on our team popped 2 dreadnought eggs simultaneously and the third one was popped by meteor. Somehow we managed to beet it even though fight was like hell on Hoxxes.
I would love if you could halt assignments and start a different one without losing progress on the former. This is incredibly annoying, especially if the assignment spans more than 3-4 missions.
Sometimes you're halfway deep in an assignment but you run out of matrix cores and the weekly core hunt is available. I hate having to choose between completing the final 3 missions and possibly not being able to reap the rewards from machine events I may encounter, or having to drop my current assignment, losing the progress, just so I can get cores from another one first, later having to redo the same missions I've already completed before.
So much wasted potential, the player gets progess-jailed so much by this system. I wish it was radically changed.
I usually just want to stop progressing a mission whenever an annoying mode pops up and requires me to do it. But since they punish us if we switch it I just wait for the refresh timer to expire then it changes all the modes. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.
@@ojhat what about if it was changed radically?
That's why I always do DD/EDD before core hunt if I have no blanks beforehand so that I don't a fat L if there happens to be a machine event in the core hunt missions
They should make the rockpox into a new mission type. Like one where you have to clean a bunch of spikes and fight the Corruptor, maybe crack a bunch of meteors on your way. Like with the rival stuff and The Caretaker (although I am aware that the Caretaker was planned to be a mission type from the beginning unlike rockpox)
So liek, you destroy x amount of contagion spikes and then fight the corruptor as like the end boss? Kinda like how the Caretaker is during intldustrial sabatoge?
@@professorcraze5559 Yeah, something like that
I’d actually be super hype to see that.
@@VVen0m that would be very cool
@@professorcraze5559yeah but make it a roaming boss that leaves new spikes as it runs away and spawns waves. Like you have to actively keep up with it ot it will hid far away and mob you. Basicly you gotta stay close and fire non stop. Leave alot of nitra around
Big yes to this. DRG is one of my fav games of all time but I only play the seasons for a few weeks because it get's boring, then I end up missing the old stuff when it get's thrown in the RNG vault. I think a shift from random events to more varied updates would be very appreciated by just about everyone.
Edit: Thanks for the likes! 😄
In season 5 you’ll be able to choose which season is ‘active’ for you. This means you can focus on the events you like or select no season to make them all equally likely to appear.
I feel like GSG is doing everything right, but they’re just having a few troubles with season events.
Well, not quite. Stingtail isn’t balanced, neither are the new crockpot, (oops, Rockpox) enemies or the Corruptor. And they aren’t adding enough of the right content
@@arcanum3882Crockpot enemies lol
@@Jarate_gaming they're gonna cook the dwarves alive
@@arcanum3882 what do you think the "right content" is?
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In regards to rival events, the rival presence mutator could guarantee a rival event. There must be a reason they're present in the area. Adjust the reward of the data cell and the hazard bonus from the mutator as required in order to balance it.
But the idea of swapping the hacking phases of industrial sabotage with the other two rival events is something that sounds great
Something I've always thought would be fantastic for a complete variation of industrial sabotage is to reintroduce the beta version of the mission. It had a large circular caretaker style with which you called down generators to overcharge its shielding and allow you to damage it. I've always thought this sounded incredibly fun and is kind of a good way to flip the current fight on its head.
i can't state how much i would enjoy a tf2 style contract system for drg, it seems like a perfect fit
Oh god that would be fun, Could have them be randomly generated so people always got something to do
Right? And its super underutilized in TF2 itself. It'd work amazing in DRG
@@Psychohistorian42 i agree, I love tf2's contracts (apart from a few of them, mainly cause their objectives are finicky or detected stupidly) but I wish you could revisit them if you wanted. once you do the bonuses you can't come back to them which sucks, i'd like to do some again even if i don't get anything for it
Yes I would love this
@@yarknark in my journey to earn the golden contracker i can safely say that i hate the map contracts :)
I really love what they're going for with each season, but part of me misses when updates didn't have to be themed. I feel like there are now some new restrictions that come with the current model. It seems it's harder for them to add 'generic' content to the game that will stay relevant after the seasons ends. Not to say that parts of the updates aren't doing that I love all the new weapons, but you made an excellent point about the new event stuff over staying its welcome and then disappearing!
its like minecraft syndrome. bigger updates with everything that takes very very long and far fewer small QOL and mini-content updates.
Seasons were a mistake indeed
@@Skladak_Killer_98 If more things came out of them, then I would be ok with waiting a year.
But right now it doesn't feel justified.
We are looking into this very seriously and are looking to change that in the future.
One potential fix for the cargo crate loot pool would for there to be a sort of "super cargo crate" that's rarer and needs 4 batteries, but unlocks a paintjob/framework for every class / weapon instead of having to do it all piecemeal
or maybe making some cosmetics in that pool unlock for every class instead of the one at a time, like victory moves
That just more RNG which this game already heavily relies on
I think a better solution would be the ability to spend blank cores on crates to unlock the cosmetic for every class, cuts down on grinding and gives cores more of a use.
They should probably up the cargo crate and helmet chance to around 30-50% per match tbh, I have like 850 hours and only recently got all cargo crate stuff.
Moving a seasons cosmetics into the reward pool for that seasons events would be pretty good. I might actually want to complete sabotage or data deposit if it meant getting some cool cosmetics that are vaguely themed around the mission I just did.
Currently, I literally never look at the Season challenges, because they naturally happen as I play the game. I know for a fact that one of them will be class based, and one of them will be biome based, so as long as I just play the game and have variety in which class I play as and which biome I play on, they will automatically complete themselves.
I think your idea of implementing TF2’s contract system would be an amazing thing to see in DRG, especially because it would add so much more for any player to do. Some ideas for class-specific contract challenges could be:
Scout - The Gardener: After 3 seconds of airtime, successfully kill an enemy using a power attack mid-air
Gunner - Air Support: Kill at least 20 enemies while suspended from a zip line.
Engineer - Bombardier: Kill at least 10 enemies using a single bullet from the Deepcore 40mm PGL.
Driller - Bring the Heat: During a single mission, overheat your drills a total of 10 times.
So many ideas could come from the contract system.
Other ideas for contracts:
Scout: Electrician: Deploy 20 lights.
Gunner: Suppressive Fire: Fire any primary weapon for 10 seconds straight.
Engineer: Sentry Goin' Up: Deploy and build 20 Sentries.
Driller: Anarchist: Burn or Freeze 50 mobs.
I saw someone else mention this but I feel the need to echo it: they should treat Rival Presence like they currently treat the Rockpox mutator - guarantee either a prospector or some data deposits or a relay or two (or better yet, a combination of all three) and make them additional secondary objectives. Hopoo also did this pretty well with the implementation of Void Seeds in Risk of Rain 2's Survivors of the Void DLC, and they are generally a welcome addition.
“Chancellors” just put out an in depth review of Season 4. I HIGHLY recommend it, he puts in to words what we don’t like about it.
Yes
Chancellors' video addresses things that I didn't even know how to put into words
In direct comparisson the general tone of chancellors video is quite negative. Dont get me wrong it's constructive criticism but considering the positiv toxicity of this community I guess it is going to be a tough pill to swallow for many Players.
Both sniss and chancellor provide good ideas on how to approach the existing problems. Although i got the feeling snis goofy and generaly positiv approach has better chances to have any influence.
I think this Season the spawn rate of the Lithophage Corrupter and the Jet Boots should been swapped. Make the Corrupeter more rare, and Jet Boots more common, at least for this Season. Or better yet, *make the Jet Boots Event related.* Have an Event where you need to call down Jet Boots to complete it, like a Lithophage spreader that runs all over the ceilings, and you need to fly up to clean it. Makes more sense than Management putting time, and money into the creation of Jet Boots, only to lock it behind a game of Flappy Bird, then shoot them all randomly all over Hoxxes for the Dwarves to find on 1/10 of their trips? Which is especially weird *when there are Jet Boots that you can equip on the Space Rig that don't carry over to the Mission.*
Perhaps jet boots could be something you can find in mini mule missions, where its a relic of the previous team, like with the resupply you can find
You can say jet boot use was discontinued after they were found to be too dangerous.
i think jetboot rarity is at a good place, always exciting to find and isn't problematic even if it makes missions easier. although i wouldnt be against having it as an anomaly for those who want to guarantee an encounter.
Just started playing this season a few days ago and have found 2 jet boots and 0 corruptors.
I don't think jet boots should be more common; It's such a rare event, that it makes it a lot more fun.
I'm the opposite. I keep findkng corruptors and I get very annoyed every time.
I really love the contract idea. I've enjoyed the TF2 contracts with much the same rules for a long time, especially the ability to coop for making progress, that's what really makes it for me in TF2. I particularly love the idea of encouraging deeper interactions with what the game already has to offer.
I think that we should get more updates that aren’t: “A new threat appeared/become more prevalent, we need you to hack/break/kill something and collect the object it has.”
As much as I love DRG’s gameplay loop having to do the season events so many times to unlock things in the season pass is tedious and makes me want to play other games.
*Rock and Stones sadly*
I agree, we need more of the type of updates that we had before seasons existed.
they at least could had left the chance for the previous season stuff unchanged to make it less boring, but nooo, all cool robot stuff that i missed out right now is practically easter eggs, all while im completely sick already of dealing with those Rockpox Spikes
@@LazyBuddyBan Yeah, unfortunately they made the rival tech stuff far too rare to come by. Only recently I had come across my first nemesis unit in like a year or two of playing this game relatively actively. They literally could have just don what they did with Industrial Sabotage and make it so the data cells you get from the smaller vaults also just give you an xp boost rather than a pp boost, and make the random vault events a little less rare than the current season's event.
The simplest thing is that in season 5, rival and rockpox events should be more common than rival events are in season 4. Might be best accomplished by giving Rockpox it's own mission type (scaling the mutator spike cap down) and then adding that Rival Pressence and Lithophage Outbreak mutators also guarantee an event from their pool. Contracts would be such a welcome addition to help vary gameplay.
I can agree about keeping the seasonal events more varied so that players don't get too burnt out over the course of a season (I'm relieved to have completed all the mandatory lithophage outbreaks for scrip lol), but for me personally I do like how the seasonal challenges are straight forward and can be completed with normal gameplay.
I know the ideas in the video were just a suggestion to get the discussion started, but I'm not personally a fan of challenges where it could be quite situational so that I spend the entire mission looking for an opportunity to do something out of the ordinary to tick a box lol.
Though i could support that if they were optional and gave a greater reward on top or something so it would be a nice bonus if you went the extra mile, but not managing to do it wouldn't stop your progress dead :)
agreed! one thing i really dont like about the contract system is feeling stuck with challenges i personally cant complete. the current system still lets me 100% the season rewards and i don't have to wait half a year for the cosmetics to be put into cargo crates.
I think it's a good thing that the robots are very rare for now. At the end of season 2 a lot of people were really tired after 1 full year of them.
Now what DRG needs to do is that for season 5 they increase the robot event/anomaly quite a lot, and make every rockpox related stuff as rare as robots in season 3-4.
Once we hit a new theme in season 7, bring back the rockpox etc...
But yeah i do think that they should've increased for robot encounter in season 4
I've seen so many people that just hate on the new seasons and say they have to change, but never provide any feedback.
You really thought this through and provided really good criticism on the seasons. I really hope the devs see this video
The thing I like about rockpox is it creates a cool sub-biome in missions that I think would be a cool way of adding more cave variety. They could be relevant be biome specific or be more abstractly related.
Imagine exploring a cave and coming across the wreck of a crashed spaceship or spacerig and there's some unique loot in it but also its security systems attack you or impede progress. From things like turrets to locked doors that need a keycard to open or be blown up/dug through/around.
I like the idea of an outpost or some kind of fortress being something you could encounter. My initial idea was Orc Pirates would be setting up shop but I quickly started to worry about how the balance would be affected. Ranged enemies can be pretty deadly in DRG already, Acid Spitters especially, imagine what guns might wind up doing. Maybe if they target glyphids or other enemies before you it could work? But an abandoned outpost actually sounds like it would work really well!
I think that they should double the chance for crates to appear in missions.
I feel once you get all rewards from the helmet pool lost gear should reward a cargo crate reward
At the VERY least they need to merge multi-class cosmetics into single items. Enough having to get the same hat 4 times to have it unlocked on everyone. That system made sense back when there was only 40~ish cosmetics per dwarf, now there's like over 200 for each Dwarf.
I think the biggest problem with this season is that it really doesn’t feel like a new season, it feels like a mid season update. The jet boots are cool, but you rarely see them, same goes for the corrupter who I actually fought for the first time a while back and…. It’s a fine boss, but It doesn’t put up much of a fight (I wasn’t playing on that hard of a difficulty so that might be the problem) and I’m also getting kind of tired of the rock pox, like, yeah it’s cool, but it’s so common and you’re practically doing the exact same thing over and over. The Rival events, in my opinion, were a lot better, as most of them involved either fun puzzles where you have to use the environment to your advantage, or it’s a cool, epic battle, like the caretaker, (Rock Pox could really use a fight like that, the corrupter ain’t doin’ it for me) like imagine fighting a giant, living meteorite, that has giant kraken like tentacles that grab you and infect you, like the nemesis; and maybe it can infect and change the cave around you, like shift it around, like the cave is alive. Maybe it could use its tentacles to slam the ground near players. I feel like something like that, a big epic boss fight, could really help with the rock pox theme, and add something unique.
Man this video couldn't have aged worse.
Not only will we have to wait till next year for a new season, they've already confirmed that it's not gonna be a big game changer either.
I really like the contracts idea, there's so much that could be done with it, even outside of the season pass
I'd love to see a Deep Dive overhaul with season themed dives. Imagine piercing into the heart of a cavern that's been fully rockpox'd, gradually getting worse and worse with each dive (presumably with some sort of hazmat protection) before cutting it off, or finding the Rival outpost and piercing its defences, before interrupting their orbital relay so they can no longer send down caretakers.
I want to get a DRG tattoo in the future, but not sure what I want. This game is special to me.
Rock and stone
@@thescrambler6354 That is what I am leaning towards currently.
I agree the dual season type thing like 2 robot seasons 2 rockpox seasons idk i love the devs and i know how much work the put in but halfway throught the season it just kinda gets stale
This is something I’ve noticed, missions take way longer now. Like if I just want to jump into a point extraction with the boys there’s an excellent chance that I’m going to have one or two events that are going to take like 5 minutes each. In a game that’s all about get in get out quick, it just doesn’t feel right.
I always thought mission time was a bit too long. The seasonal distractions in each mission just make them way too long.
A significant amount of the issue of content being phased out is just down to people getting unlucky. Rival tech stuff being rare isn't a problem: it's that because it's entirely random some people are really unlucky and literally never get to see it. Some tweaks to the randomness can reign that in somewhat, making it something that occasionally shows up without becoming too frequent and repetitive to get old. It being rare is not a problem in my opinion.
I haven't played in a long while just because, there's just not a lot to keep me going anymore
Since the beginning I’ve been playing to find that wooden framework for the m1000 but I just keep getting end of mission emotes these days so I stopped playing a few months ago haha. Still have fond memories of drg tho
Rival events have a chance to replace the hacking pods on Industrial Sabotage would go so far in terms of making that mission more enjoyable.
I've always thought that more randomized objectives during missions would add so much to this game. Different minerals to mine during Point Extraction, different egg types in Egg Hunt (IE Mactera eggs). Maybe even a rival event could be an alternative objective in salvage missions. Gotta grab a rival core instead of fixing mini mules, it's what the previous crew was going for. Different objective at the end of Drilldozer missions. Stuff like that.
I dunno if other people have had this issue, but from any of the games i've played since season 4 i literally didn't get the corruptor event to spawn. That's from completing multiple weekly assignments and it's bizarre, and frustrating
Thats weird. I heard this several times on reddit and YT comments, but personally i had a few ecounters. Lets say sub 10 but more than 5?
I did about 40-60hrs with the new season and lvl 115 in season content
I have 700 hours, at least 125 on this new season, and I’ve yet to see him.
I got it once since the season started. Im around level 34 on the pass
@cesarrosales3247 unbelievable.
Which level are you on the current season?
I'm level 260 ish this season and I've probably had him around 30 times. I'd rather him more, and I have seen him more in the last couple weeks but I don't think that's an update. I don't know why you aren't getting him, but for me he spawns most commonly in longer missions so that may be the issue. Not sure though, just know I don't really ever see him in short missions, or mission types like point extraction, sabotage, escort, and OSR.
TF2's contracts is the last thing I'd want to see in DRG, I absolutely hated them in TF2, they were easily the most unfun thing I experienced in my 12 years that I've been playing the game, and your idea sounds equally as painful as it was in TF2. "Do this highly specific random thing x times" is the least fun thing I can imagine for DRG, I don't mind the current challenge system but it just needs more variety. The problem with DRG is the lack of variety, not a lack of carrots on a stick to keep playing, DRG has an absolutely pitiful amount of weapons and main mission objectives, to me there should be at the very minimum double that amount, three primaries and secondaries per class is simply a pitiful amount of options for a co-op arsenal.
Don't force people to use certain weapons, halo infinite tried that and it's miserable being forced to use a weapon you don't like
Fantastic video! I agree with just about all of your points. I just passed 500 hours in this game and have noticed a few of the big things that have gotten stale. Mini meteor event, season challenges getting repetitive, getting tired of the season theming. I love rockpox and the rival tech, but a full year for each theme does get pretty old. I really liked your idea for the rival events being way more common on industrial sabotage. Antenna events and prospectors should spawn on those events way more. Plus I want to see way more nemesis encounters. The nemesis is my favorite enemy in the game and I almost never get the chance to see it. I feel like each Industrial Sabotage mission should have at least one nemesis guarding it.
I'm approaching 500 (at ~475 rn), and I agree that rival stuff should appear more often and that rockpox has overstayed its welcome.
really good suggestions, you made the biggest sabotage hater actually see a future where it's not as bad
contracker for drg is also a really good solution, their progress should be contributed by all teammates to reduce toxicity over "I NEEDED ONE MORE PIPE FIX, BANNED"
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It's strange, while I've only started playing since season 4, Even have started to feel the agony of how frequent and time consuming the random events are , and because you need to do them so many times to complete the BP you'll eventually grow pretty tired of them and start missing some of the old events, but they become so incredibly rare you kind of start hating the new events even more. Maybe it's also just because i hate dealing with the corrupter lol
These past 4 seasons feel like they should've been 2 seasons with "half season" updates. It may be a big ask but since we're likely not getting anything as big as new weapons in the near future I think they could do this for future seasons where roughly halfway through we get a progression to the theme of the season like new events or whatnot. It could be a bit of a time crunch but I feel like it'd help with the feeling that seasons overstay their welcome.
(Also please add more to the cosmetic core, lootcrate, and lost gear pools that aren't seasonal stuff people might have missed)
I really liked this season, the new enemies really mix things up and it feels like a natural progression from last season especially in regards to how the two robot seasons advanced. Sure they could have added a new round of weps but I have faith that that kind of stuff is coming
I like the idea of moving some of the season stuff into deep dive objectives. They would be a perfect bit of extra spice.
To me the problem is obvious. Season events are the wrong way to go with new content. As much as i hate the industrial sabotage mission, it's absolutely the right way to go. Its permanent content that can be enjoyed when a player chooses and also offers more variety of game play.
The problem with the lithophage outbreak events is they are SECONDARY mission types. Compare contagion spikes to gunk seeds and youll realize they have no business being secondary mission types.
I think the whole lithophage outbreak season could have been 10x better if nuetralizing contagion spikes were made into their own mission entirely. The difficulty would have to be ramped up but that actually sounds fun. Perhaps you remove the spikes in stages and each stage spits harder infected enemies at you.
I think this fixes many issues. First, they arent random encounters that are annoying when in season and scarce post season. Secondly, they add more variety to gameplay experience without being tediously tacked onto current mission objectives. I cant think of more while at work. Thirdly i think this allows the devs to tell the story they want to tell which currently they arent able to do. It feels like there is a natural story progression to be had as rock pox takes over hoxes. But the problem is it feels liek its going to take 8 seasons and 4 years to tell it at this pace.
What's your take on mission content randomizer? It has a good amount of different types of secondary missions like kill a certain enemy type which has some variety and difficulty like deep dives with their secondary variants. MCR also has a contagion cleansing mission type which is entirely geared to dealing with rockpox which is pretty neat. The mod also mixes up the cave map types with the missions - think morkite mining in an egg hunt type cave
this sounds like it could be a great addition to the game, mixing up cave layouts a bit more would definitely make missions have more variety
i started playing mid season 4 i think, i have 120 hours in the game now, and i dont even know what a prospector is 💀
Honestly, you made a great point near the end with all the seasonal cosmetics getting dumped into cargo crate/lost pack events.
What if the old seasonal events granted a random cosmetic from that specific season/series? it would give heavy incentive to play those old events for new players and would keep the cargo crate/lost pack pool from getting too bloated.
now all I gotta do is figure out how to get those greybeards that already have everything to do those old events.
That's actually a really good idea! There are so many RNG-only cosmetics to obtain, and too few ways to obtain them.
GSG could get 2 birds with one stone by allowing challenges/missions/whatever to build towards a bonus cargo crate or lost equipment drop.
the contracts idea would honestly be amazing not just as a "go at your own pace / do what you want first" but it would help newer players a ton in learning the game better and each classes roles, how to use weapons, etc (and i know this since the tf2 contract system is what helped me actually learn other classes outside of my main; before i 100%'d my contracker i stuck to like 3 maps and played 2 maybe 3 classes. after doing the contracts i'm not only more comfortable playing on all sorts of maps but i also have a much bigger understanding of class roles and weapon selection)
not to mention it would encourage the use of things one wouldn't bother with. it'd go hand in hand as a companion to assignment missions and would fit the world perfectly honestly; there would just have to be a buffer to make sure contracts don't get repeated too often (perhaps something along the lines of a controlled randomizer similar to deep dives but a bit more loose - and everyone gets unique contracts from that since management probably has specific jobs for us specific workers)
Season 4 just feels like rockpox completely outstayed its welcome. Frankly I never want to see another meteor or contagion spike. They're just boring, and the corruptor fight is just... bad. I'm sick of rockpox. The fact each season theme lasts 2 seasons tells me GSG just doesn't have the resources to do a themed battle pass system and I'd really prefer the game just went back to steady development as it was before seasons were implemented.
Great video! Want to preface this saying I love this game to bits (that won't stop me criticising it though). I think my favourite thing about drg is the absolutely immense amount of variety in how you can make a loadout. Part of the reason i don't like the robots is because it kind of feels like you're bottlenecked into a fire build. It's the same with rockpox just with DOT builds feeling weak comparatively to wm1. Also they really need to fix fighting rockpox at the moment, it feels like you're supposed to get close to kill rockpox enemies, yet the game consistently punishes you for doing so. I love this game so much, but it just feels like I have to play a certain way during a season, or I feel like I'm actively screwing my team over. This is most true for driller imo, but I do think other classes face a similar issue. Not as big of a deal for dreadnoughts though, because those are designed to be huge tanky single targets which specific builds will do better against. It's just the season gimmick bottlenecking me that I hate. I personally think they need to give people more to stick around for, new weapons, grenades, maybe even rework perks, traversal tools or support tools. I want to see the kind of stuff that I can play around with for hundreds of hours, not a shiny new gimmick that costs me my sanity. I loved the two new enemies, even if stingtails are hugely overtuned. I want to see this game succeed but as it stands there just isn't enough motive to keep playing the game outside of seeing the new gimmick for the first time. Rock and stone!
I’d love to see more random cave events that are separate from the seasonal theme. Part of the magic of deep rock is the discovery of new things and variability of each mission. I’d also love to see way more enemy types, beyond just glyphids.
You always know how to properly articulate exactly what my friends and I, and by extension the community, feel about the game. Great video as always :)
Cargo Crates and Helmets should remain a chance to spawn, but also, add a positive modifier (or negative) with a "SOS" signal.
All it does is guarantee a Helmet or Crate spawn, and helps narrow down the pool. It also provides good mineral payout for those who are done with the crates, so there's always a reason for them to exist.
If they make it a negative modifier, it can be an "Elite" group of bugs that had killed the Dwarf, or bugs that find the crate's beeping interesting, so they just patrol the area.
This is the way. Mission modifiers can also be used to regulate season content: Rival Presence to guarantee Prospector/Router/Data Deposit/Nemesis, Meteor Shower to guarantee meteors, Care Package to guarantee jet boots, etc. Even something like Aggressive Vegetation to guarantee a korlok, etc. There is specific content people want to play - let us play it without grinding hundreds of missions while waiting for RNG
so glad to see you talking about this, given you're one of the larger drg youtubers, having had some concerns for the seasons sytem as a whole for months now. both your and chancellors videos on it really show some amazing perspective. and you and a ton of people have had some great ideas for improivments and changes that would help the game a ton. I hope chost ship becomes aware of this properly now, and we see some better stuff in new seasons. I know they've already said stuff about wanting to move away from the year long same theme stuff for future seasons, and hopefully we see other improvments too
Seasonal updates don't work for a game like this
what if they added more uses for Blank Matrix Cores? Like you could slot one into a cargo crate and it gives you an extra cosmetic? Just a thought for some people that might have a buncha cores but their cargo crate loot pool is still quite large
That's a pretty neat idea! As someone with entirely too many blank cores, all of the weapon overclocks, and nowhere near enough cosmetics, I would love to see that in the game!
That would help with the Seasonal in adding more challenge types... perhaps scrip could be used in other ways besides cosmetics. I do appreciate they added in a Randomzier beer, but they could do more than that in specific challenges with weapons under not-ideal conditions and modifiers for rewards.
Overclocks for each class' utility/support tools - this could potentially add more play styles and loadouts for each class if they get tinkered with. For example, Engineer's sentry can become a mobile gun that follows but loses range, or Gunner's zip lines become electrified and damage anything it comes in contact with, but also causes dwarves to take damage when touching/riding them.
Perks.... this needs to be addressed, it's an elephant in the room. With all the perk points that are not used leaves a lot of room for changes or additions, perhaps even class-specific.
Not sure what others think about Space-rig events right after a mission completion or failure... like a Rockpox containment breach, power outage, beer spillage/shipment, etc. Make them rare. Heck, a prime example could be an asteroid hit the rig and damaged where you're able to GO OUTSIDE THE SPACERIG to help the maintenance crew repair (instead of trying to prevent us from getting out into space 🤣) Modding probably helps with a few of these things, but would be funny to have a PropHunt mode on the rig, or laser tag. Adding in some actual PvP modes.
Im thinking that all that mineral war nonesense that happens in the mineral trade would make a good season theme. And combining that with the contracts idea (different mineral factions giving differently themed contracts) and thatll add tons of replay value
commenting from the future when season 5 dropped, and I can legitimately see ghostship taking this advice, there's challenges to do mutators, you can chose which events to do from whatever season, they added new enemies and side objectives, it's all here and it's great
they watch almost all the videos on the game :)
I feel like the contract challenges in the way that you described and showed them are just perfect. having optional fun objectives to complete during missions like killing Hexawings or killing a bunch of enemies while in midar would be great.
The contract system could easily be implemented through a “Space Bounty Hunter” themed update/event. Some bounty hunter themed cosmetics would be dope along with that too.
See you next june
You know, for some reason I'm starting to get similar vibes between DRG and the Warframe that existed back in like, 2014 or so. I think it would be cool if there was more suit modification, aside from just the paltry number of mods available for them. Like, maybe overclocks for our dwarves' suits. Maybe all 4 classes get overclocks, maybe the driller and gunner share, since they're heavy classes and engi and scout share, or maybe just a common pool of overclocks. I really dislike how little customization there is for our suits (noncosmetic, at least). Also, maybe another page out of OG warframe's playbook could be missions that you have to craft keys for. Like the orokin void and derelict, you'd have to craft the keys. Maybe there could be used for the error cubes or the purple crystal chunks or maybe even special uses for the minerals to craft exclusive mission keys for unique mission areas and objectives, aside from just deep dives. Or maybe even super Keys for special versions of deep dives too. I really liked Warframe back in the day, and while deep rock isn't as sexy or elegant as og warframe's art design was, I still love the game. ROCK AND STONE!
Definitely make a video mentioning the cargo crate pool. It is so bad I had to use mods to guarantee a cargo crate spawn in a mission
Started in season 4 and have nearly 400 hours and im already kinda sick of data deposits possibly because of rival sabotage PTSD(was grinding it for milestones). in love with the signals tho and prospector is also kinda fun. Now that the season is DRILLING DEEPER somethinh like mine 500 gold or a gold chunk, maybe mine 80 morkite above the norm challenges would make a lot of sense.
Firstly, nice point about the challenge system, never thought about it before, but you are right, could be so much more. Contracts sound neat.
And yes holiday updates are not using their full potential, they could be used to push experimental stuff to see what sticks and live playtest ideas for some short time.
Now, I just wanna say that I don‘t think repurposing the season content into special missions is a good idea. I always think about Path of Exile when it comes to the stuff that can roll in a mission and how great DRG will be when it comes to that with a few more seasons. There needs to be a balance between sometimes reoccurring content and permanent content. It is so fun to do a „standard“ mission and have a boss or event spawn, because randomized missions are what keep everything fresh. We need more for the pool of possibilities and more variety, variety meaning not another „wait till bar is full“ type of thing. Antenna event for example is cool. The hacking is short and there is a lot of fighting and moving in between, but it is also fast paced overall and can be very hectic. Doesn‘t need to be seasonal content though. Could be giving each biome an even more distinct identity with more special enemies and world gen. Or reworking modifiers, so rival presence and lithophage outbreak are more pronounced after a season ends, like strongholds that survived the dwarfs initially. There is a lot of underutilized stuff for a fresh spin: perk system, a lot of the mission modifiers, some overclocks, more biomes, new crazy events, the mission length and complexity having more of an impact on map gen, like complexity 3 having different cave systems intertwined, drillers would go nuts.
I mean they have this fantasy-sci-fi setting and not everything has to be grounded. Ghost aliens and teleport beer? Why not add portals for a specific room of a mission because „magic stones“. Or coming across some kind of key event to once enter a special variation of a biome where you found it after the mission ends, like a hive or ancient temple or forgotten dwarf mine with dangerous special old wildlife and ancient plants and funny animals. Endless freedom for the devs.
In the end it probably comes down to us being too many people who play this game way too much for this small of a studio to keep everybody satisfied. Maybe GSG will expand to counteract this, who knows. Anyways, rock and stone!
i have done 300 missions this season, I have seen 3 rival events during that time, and the rock-pox and stingtails in general need a huge rework they just arent interesting to fight
Oh my god, the contract system would work PERFECTLY with this game. Thank you for opening my eyes. Rock and stone!
I hard disagree on the suggestions to the season pass. I prefer objectives that are broad and don’t force me to play a specific way. I want to be able to progress by just playing; plain and simple.
Adding challenges like “kill a dreadnaught with only a boomstick,” or “kill 20 enemies while on a pipe,” forces you to play in a very specific way. While it adds a lot of variety to season challenges, it really sacrifices freedom/flexibility. It just seems like a tedium “grocery list” of menial challenges that every other battle pass does to pad out playtime. I’d prefer this be optional if implemented, with no exclusive rewards/skins for completing them.
I think the simplest solution is the best, and you hit on it early on in the video. Old events rarely show up while the current season even is too dominant. The best solution is the make old events more prominent. You can even take this a step further by taking past seasonal events/content and repurposing them for the current seasons. S4 for example: if you see the lithophase outbreak on the mission modifiers, then you could encounter enemies/events like a rockpox Dreadnaught cacoon / tyrant weed, or a corroded prospector carrying plaguehearts. Lore wise this would be incredibly fun as well, since we’d get to see how the inhabitants of hoxxes are affected by seasonal changes too.
I actually really really like the weapon contracts idea. Especially the idea of being able to get specific frameworks or paint jobs from it. Cause then you can actually prioritize which weapon cosmetics you like and want to get.
I like the idea of having a contract system like in TF2. I'd adapt that even further so that certain parts of the tree could focus on certain types of tasks and you could see a few unlocked nodes deep into the tree. That would allow the player to choose a certain path to follow
Yes, please GSG take notes from this guy! You have made probably the best indie game fundament I have seen in a long time. But your events get way too repetitive way too quick. The potential for this game is insane and I really hope that GSG can keep this gem relevant and fun for many years to come. ❤
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Man, challenges, I've played for over 500hrs and not once cared abt the challenges, cause they're not challenges, they're just kinda... there.
I feel they should really cut back on the amount of Cosmetics each season, it takes a lot of time to unlock them all and after a few hours of checking out the new stuff, I tend to not want to bother with it. Feels more like obligation to unlock everything more than a want, especially since most of it goes into the cargo crates which bloat out that loot pool.
Games should not feel like jobs.
@@AcroxShadowY’all are completely missing the point… you’re not meant to grind tf out of it and get them all asap. That’s why they put them into the cargo crates after. Play the game at your own pace and stop burning yourself out.
Guess what …
I have 150 hours in DRG starting in S3 and I've seen 1 prospector.
I did get pretty sick of rivals and rockpox after a couple seasons of each. I think that's more a me having 1000 hours problem than them totally lacking variety in themselves though. I wouldn't mind waiting longer for a bigger, more fun to play kind of addition than the usual smaller events.
Doing the season events is kinda more a courtesy to the other players than really wanting to do them myself at this point
A caveat I'd have on the contracts thing is that it would really suck if you're having to compete with the other players to do things a certain way, or like have to beat them to the punch doing certain small objectives that are usually just a benefit to the whole team
I dont think they should have 2 season whit the same theme maybe a mid season that gives new enemys or somethimg
Sniss did say they can make it so people who have the same objectives active for a mission in the contract can unlock it for the other players if they have it active, which would fix people scrambling to complete stuff for themselves.
Tbh. It definitely seems like getting the spin offs out are the focus right now. Hopefully they come back with either a big season or a big update
They just took way too much work on in the background and DRG is suffering for it.
Personally if I was part of the dev team/ect , not only do I feel like I would’ve found your videos already but this level of dedication and having this platform to the core player base.. I really think they should strike SOME sort of deal with you/maybe collaborate with your insights/take them into consideration
seasons/battle passes ruin development of games. i hate it, instead of "updates" we get "seasons", its shit, ITS SUPPOSED TO BE SIDECONTENT
drg is great for short, content dense bursts of fun. The base mechanics are good. The enemies are good. The weapons are good. So the game is good.
I feel like this game is becoming overcomplicated, and that's seriously taking away from the core experience. Having more incentives to engage with the game (like everything in the season terminal) only makes the player engage in the game in more boring and repetitive ways. Avoiding content you don't want to engage with makes you feel like you're missing out, so generally, you just do it anyway. And then you stop enjoying the game, and you build an addiction rather than a love. I know this because I grinded through all of season 3, getting to level 100 on the season terminal. When I realized I hated how I was playing the game, and hated the trajectory it was moving in, I stopped playing it. And I haven't touched it since.
Which fuckin sucks, because I like this game. I like it for what it is, but it feels like gsg keeps taping things onto the sides of it rather than growing the core. And at this point, I think seasonal content distracts from the game more than it adds to it.
Yeah, the season pass sucks. Even if it's free that doesn't make battle passes suck less, they just promote grindy behavior until you burn out.
@@FamelhautI'm fine with the battle passes, it's just a little bonus for me. But I'd really like the core to get focused on more than events. We have a bunch of side objectives from previous seasons, new primary missions, new (more challenging) biomes, and things like this would be a very welcome addition.
I'm in the minority, but I really hate tf2 contracts. I'm god awful at games so I just main medic, and many objectives feel unachievable due to my skill issue, so I feel like I'm missing out on a significant portion of the game until I "git gud". Some objectives aren't difficult, but still make you play in such a specific and repetitive way to finish them, I'd much rather just play the game how I enjoy it and miss out then. At least with tf2 it's cosmetic, with this proposed system I'd have to struggle even getting weapons and upgrades to make myself play better.
I just want the game to be cross platform so i can play with my friends on xbox.
ROCK AND STONE!!!
I love the idea of those contracts I wouldnt even mind if they just gave you matrix cores instead of overclocks
I'm still waiting for more secondary objectives for Deep Dives. Like how about a slow, heavily armoured Prospector to represent Industrial Sabotage.
Also as for making seasonal events easier to find how about making them more likely during their respective warnings, it only makes sense.
I think it's not the problem with the concept itself, but slipups from the devs. Season 3/4 didn't come with a new mission type, small meteors are boring, harold is tedious and dragging and otherwise with mission events I don't get people only caring about the rewards and the tíme,difficulty/reward ratio. No really go play cookie clicker if you don't have any better points. With s1/s2 they could make a chance one of one of the "out of range" biomes be active but under rival presence , this would mean 1-4 rival presence mutators and boosted event chances. Same with lithophage in season 5. With daily challenges they could do some whacky and more specific ones and increase the amount at time but fully copying the contract system wouldn't suit drg well, (and yes, some tasks you concepted we're insane). They could also just make quests based on weapons and OCs you DO have-specific for each player
The TF2 style contract system would work perfectly for DRG. If that gets implemented I would be so happy.
I would hate those contracts. I hate them in Darktide already. "Play in this very specific way" mechanics are dumb. The daily challenges are better now because you can just get enough done while doing your other progression: the weekly assignments. The assignments often roll mission types that progress a challenge, and you can pick between two different classes for the class one, etc. Easy to do the last couple missions after the assignments to wrap them right now.
However, I agree with the rest, and I'm definitely tired of seasonal grinding. I preferred just getting content over time from missions and resources felt significant before seasons. Now you just get free resource injections for playtime constantly. Minerals used to feel special based on how they generate in caves and how difficult or easy the biomes they appear in were to play on. Now I never have to go to a specific biome for minerals, despite how expensive my endgame forge cosmetics are, because I'll have enough resources to promote just from playing Haz3 4 or 5 with the lads, depending on how many greenbeards we have. The season performance pass is so chock full of filler minerals and phazy for the shop that the original, unique system of MINING for MINERALS has been destroyed. It's not like you'd pass up a mineral you see, but you don't have to think about which minerals you need, because you just kinda NEED to play AT ALL. And the "play specific biomes" daily challenges don't help with this because like I said above, just do them during assignments, and in the old system you'd consider the difficulty of the biome before jumping in. Most of the time now one of the two on the challenge will be an easy one, so if you don't care about assignments you can focus that one and ignore hard biomes.
Game just feels too much like other games instead of its unique formula these days.
Everything you showed is looking good, but those challenges are NASTY ☠️
Corruptor should have been used as a caretaker equivalent in a rockpox mission, where you cleanse two spikes which summon rockpox swarms before killing the corruptor.
It should have just been a rockpox version of sabotage
Yeah I wasn't a fan of season 4 even before it came out because I don't like rock pox.
A lot of this game can be quite frankly repetitive.
This game is WAY too reliant on rng for so many things not just if a season event or a meteor or cargo crate.
Speaking of cargo crates basically there is so much shit in them and they spawn so fucking rarely that it's going to take you for fucking ever to get everything from them.
Seriously since I started playing season 4 I have encountered them at least 20 times at most..
They honestly need to address this somehow maybe a new assignment mission for each class were upon completion or as you play it you get the Cosmetics from the previous season the assignment is tied to just for that class.
Also the sting tail is way over tuned its armor is ridiculous it's one weak spot is behind praetorian armor basically and it's immune to heightened senses and it attacked way too frequently and sometimes it doesn't even give you a audio warning plus it disabling your midair controls is just another slap in the face.
So congratulations to ghost ship games for making an enemy that I hate more than Rock pox or fucking goo bombers.
The way how they handled Rockpox enemies leaves but to be desired.
But hey at least we have black people reading game now and it's a fucking hacking Mini-Game (WHY!?)
Played a lot less of Season 3 and 4 too. Season 1 had a lot of stuff, Season 2 had the big robots which was interesting for a while as it was very dangerous and secondary weapons, so there was a lot of content too even if the robots were starting to feel a bit stale. Season 3 had new grenades, not really that interesting all things considered, the rockpox thing was not very interesting either and the cleaning tool gimmick not that interesting. Kind of skipped Season 4 alltogether, played maybe 5-10h if not even that. (I have like 1100h in the game). Not really sure what the thing with season 4 was, is it just that I'm bored of the game generally or was the gimmick not adding much?
Season 4 had quite many enemy variations and 3 new enemies in total, so on paper there was a lot of content, Corruptor, 4 rockpox enemy variations, stingtail and septic spreader as two completely new types and the jetpack, but it just didn't grab me.
Am I the only one that just really hates all of the infection stuff? The enemies are just normal glyphids but reskinned and much more annoying to fight, the rockpox cleaning objective got really tedious really fast, the corruptor, while cool in concept, is absolutely torturous to deal with, the rockpox status effect is just infuriating, and this season’s rockpox weapon cosmetics are a huge letdown compared to the previous ones, no unique models just random rockpox bits glued on. The meteors are the only things I don’t really mind.
I'm just so tired of the whole Rockpox thing. It got old in Season 3 (especially with the meteors/meteorites interrupting every damn mission) and now has overstayed its welcome in S4. Just want a new concept for a season.
Even with all the repetitiveness I’m still amazed how much fun I can have with this season pass style progression when I’m not being asked to buy something.
Im ngl, i was so tired of the rockpox missions 3/4ths of the way through season three. Its way too common and just felt like a waste if time + plus a hit unpolished considering there were only three rockpox enemies. Also i literally only got ONE rockpox swarm throughout the entire season. The modifier is entirely too common and tedious plus the reward is miniscule.
Guys it is a pandemic, even if you got tired of it, we still have to help drg find a cure. ROCK AND STONE!