Sarah Henderson If you side with the Templar and made Alistar king you don't get the cameo. But he will write a letter asking the inquisition for help and in the tone of the letter he is the Alistar we all know and love.
Mundane05 You're right, he does, but he's not nearly as gruff about it. Stern, yes, but he does it with a little more remorse. Anora has made him a total jerk.
Damn-just imagine the pain Fiona is feeling at that moment: her son, her only son, grow up to become a King and all she can do is look up at him with proud quiet eyes, and pray for her son and hear from others what accomplishment he’s made, his battles, his happiness... Fiona you deserve so much better...
I don't know. Fiona invited Tevinter into Ferelden, started a war for freedom and then immediately pledged herself to literal slavers, and actually tries to kill you at Haven. She's the worst, in DA: Inquisition.
@@CreativeUsernameEh But mages had a pretty good reason to rebel against their abusers. And listen to her here, she has many under her protection, including children, whole Thedas is ready to hunt them down mercilessly because of Chantry's bullshit so she grasped the only help that was offered to her.She didn't remember asking the Quizzy in Val Royeaux, cause Alexius played with time. And she didn't invite them, they invited themselves, you should know that if you played this quest, they came, offered help and Fiona accepted. It's not like she had much choice, Anora or Alistair or both may have offered sanctuary to the mages but that doesn't mean that all of Fereldans would be ok with that.
No, he doesn't, and sadly we can't resolve that or get deeper into it. I mean, I understand why. The Inquisitor doesn't exactly need to be nosing in these people's business, but I still would have liked a bit more insight.
MPHknows I understand why he can’t know as king, but as a Warden I think he should know, I mean if he’s the Warden, then they are literally at Skyhold at the same time, why can’t he find out then!? Goodness does that frustrate me, he wanted so much to find some semblance of family through Goldanna who isn’t even his sister, and I’m like your real mom is right there! Quizy tell him!
People say they don't like Alistair in this scenario since he's so much more scornful and stern compared to DAO, but in all honesty, I think this is how a king should be. To rule, you must not play the fool else pray your people do not trample over you. It's said that Alistair has never been good at governing, hence why he never wanted to be a king, but paired with Anora makes shapes into a much more capable ruler. You must do whatever it is that you can for your people and your homeland, and you must be prepared to be as harsh as need be to do so.
jaredwoozy He does not need to be paired with Anora in order to be or become a better ruler -.-* As long as you help harden his view on things, he sets in this way of ruling.
He can be a good king by himself, but I actually prefer him with Anora. And I agree he has to be harsher with the mages in this scene, I mean, they weren't victims anymore after what happened to Redcliffe.
since Alistair turned into a good king it is safe to presume she has feeling for him regardless of her father's status because even if you execute loghain she will eventually accept the monster her father had become (a monster that needed to be put down) p.s if your curious in my thedas : loghain was executed by warden and Alistair rules with anora
Senior 02 Spared Loghain. He, unlike Alistair. is not deluded to the order and had been shaped by the trauma he endured. War criminal yes, but after Orzhammer I put Bhelen on the throne; evidently wiping out house Harrowmont. Mac Tir also served naive a king who he tried many times to keep from the front line. He also changed and believed in the wardens but prior had fear of Orlais due to how war shaped him. IF you can spare Anders or Solas then hypocrisy aries if Mac Tir is to fall. Loghain had also saved the men under his command. Anders and Solas are egomaniacs influenced and driven towards war. In my eyes my Cousland warden and Loghain are mirror images: family slain before them, a nation turned against them, sacrificing few for the good of many (Orzhammer politics and etc), development of leaders (Maric and Alistair).
@@charlespc8855 lmao, you dont need to justify your other choices regarding characters just because you left one live and other die. I dont even remember or care about Loghain's motivations or actions, I only know he killed shtloads of men, but I can say for sure I dont give a sht about them, ferelden or its citizens one way of the other and because of that dont care if Loghain lives or dies. I dont care about the elves, their heritage or anything like that but the current thedas is just a dump - if solas would make a new one where the elves will no longer be 3rd class citizens, I wont object but right now I also dont care. I care about how mages are treated so there's that. *Your* motivations to spare and support characters seem idiotic and absurd on the other hand. People choose to do either on a case by case basis, not just "spare everyone who never killed a man" or "execute everyone who killed a man" or "spare everyone just cause". Also lold ot 'spared solas' - you dont even have a chance to kill him yet.
@@vermilion6966 you're trying to antagonise and get a reaction. Coupled with your basic lack of knowledge of the military principles it's highly amusing. Stop being rude and idiotic it's not called for nor deserved. Go make something out your life as i have then speak to me.
Am I seriously the only one who enjoys the aggressive approach that Alistair takes here? Then again I usually harden Alistair in my Origins playthrough.
It’s crazy to think Alistair & Anora have been married like a decade by this point. 😂 They’re response to the mages is completely appropriate given the circumstances.
I had this cutscene in my walkthrough. What surprises me is that nobody kneels before the royal couple. It is THE KING and THE QUEEN of Ferelden standing right there and nobody kneels? Such disrespect. In DA 2 at least Aveline had some proper manners and kneeled before king Alistair. Edit: and how the fuck do they look? This is supposed to by the royal clothing? They look like fucking peasants, Vivienne should teach them something about noble fashion.
+ Abuyin ibn Djadir When it comes to the Dalish protagonist, it makes sense one of the People wouldn't kneel. Not sure how a Free Marcher noble would feel about the ruler of Ferelden, though.
EndoftheLine Given how the Dalish are already outlaws under Andrastian law due to their religion being forbidden, I doubt they care. But I could see a noble human doing what you suggest due to their upbringing.
Kneeling requires putting in more time and resources into animating what is a short and optional scene, one that only a certain amount of players will ever see.
Well she must feel lucky wasnt executed since that was one the biggest backstabing he was helping the mages even before the rebelion and she sell the second most important Ferelden city to Tevinter in the middle of a war.....
GreatFreedom I think you're forgetting the noses in DA:O. It's not simply a failed aging attempt here - both of them look like they had some back-alley rhinoplasty in Denerim o-O You'd think the King and Queen could afford better
Alistair needs to be seen as a king and the mages have been doing things they shouldn't so of course hes gonna be stern but I'm pretty sure due to his adventures he still tolerates the mages. Also this is probably the first time since he was a Child that Fiona has seen Alistair. And I dont even think he knows that shes his mother. And she was a warden that fought alongside Duncan to.
I love how enthusiastic your inquisitor sounded when offering the alliance with mages. 😂😂😂😂😂 Also, I always find it so weird when Alistair is stern. I'm so used to him being that goofball in Origins. It also seems he's more stern than Anora here.
If you harden him in Origins then he takes being King seriously, and this causes Anora to respect him more. It makes sense that after a few years they'd become a power couple.
@@Elvenwyn Nah, Alistair can still be soft after taking him to Goldanna if the Warden doesn't use the right dialogue options. The only option that I recall from the DA Keep that could signal that Alistair was hardened is Loghain living and Alistair being king at the same time.
AntiXaldin I'd be surprised if they had much of a sexual relationship. As shown through Alistair's romance, he doesn't take well to physical intimacy without personal/emotional intimacy. Sure, that may have changed over the years, but they don't have that much chemistry.
There is no reason for after ten years of marriage for them to not be much more comfortable with each other. Also, they do have chemistry. Notice that Alistair always use "we" never "I" which he could, as king. Clearly, they see each other as equals.
AntiXaldin Seeing each other as equals doesn't equal chemistry. And Alistair has used 'we' since Origins, even though he was senior warden and could take full control. I've seen every version of this seen with them both, and nothing has shown anything between them other than respect. And respect doesn't mean anything about romance. And being more comfortable with each other doesn't equal romance. I'm going off of their characters and what I see. And I see no evidence or hinting of them having a decent romantic or intimate relationship, and judging off of Alistair's character, I wouldn't expect one. This is my interpretation, though.
theasshole He's much nicer alone or with a warden queen. He's still stern and not a push over, even unhardened, but married to Anora he just comes off like... well, like an ass.
Watching this really made me like siding with the templars more in my playthroughs. Cause seriously Redcliff wasn't even theirs but they kicked out the arl and gave it to Tevinter like WTF. I don;t care if you're desperate Redcliff wasn't yours to give. At least the Templars got a reliable leader in the end. Ser Barris is GOAT
Fiona made my eye twitch “And what are the terms of this arrangement?” Ohhh now you’re concerned about stuff like that! Don’t come then, see you in some backwater swamp I guess. Since you and hundreds of people will be homeless and on the run, but whatever let’s hash this out. Yes, yes, I know they’re vital to save the world, but they don’t know that! XD
Past glories do not excuse present (at the time in origins) atrocities I'm sure Meredith was once a great knight Commander too... they simply don't. and saying simply because they were in essence afraid of losing the power they held over the country they so-called loved (they did inflict Civil War upon it, Loghain does anyway while she stands by) so that excuses their actions or inactions and what they allowed to happen or turn a blind eye to? Anytime someone's trying to defend him it seems like they're bringing up his past, everybody's got a past you know? and it doesn't excuse the present because there are plenty of other characters people condemned no matter what and despite his past of fighting against them ironically his present was simply orlesian, Allowing his so-called friend's son to die just so his daughter / the Queen by marriage could stay in power? And the many other things you find out he's allowed and tries to excuse in the landsmeet? he's irredeemable by that point, delusional and just making excuses and she would still back him and make excuses for him therefore she's guilty for association and hypocrisy, she might be even more power hungry than he is, they both seem to have a God complex and don't think that anyone is able to do what "they" feel needs to be done and in all of that worst of all I rarely ever hear them talking about what's good for the people, you know the ones they're so desperate to be in power over? unless it's in some extremely screwed up manner talking about the numbers or the sacrifices sounds a lot like Celine doesn't it? The empress who beds elves as well as purges them
I got this scene. What happens if the queen is the Warden? Does Alistair just show up by himself? If so, that's wack... and I was really surprised by this scene. Isn't Fiona Alistair's mother? And yet he acted so coldly towards her. They acted like they don't know each other. That was heart breaking. Also, I wonder what happened to Goldanna...
ジョネーJonét Alistair doesn't know that Fiona is his mother the only ones who know about that were Fiona Maric Duncan Loghain and Arle Eamon not even Eamon's wife knew about this Eamon Alistair is Son of Maric and Fiona So of course they know than la Loghain who was the best friend of Maric and Duncan who had the joining with Fiona they were best friends too Eamon knows because He wanted to Defend his sister Honor and Duncan always took care of Alistair that's why He conscripted Alistair because He saw that Alistair war Sad and than Alistair survived to the battle of Ostagar thanks to Duncan ohh Yes and Cailan knew to i dont how but still
I never could (in any of my playthroughs) marry Alistair to Anora ugh. I prefer him being a drunk man than... marry THIS (¬¬) woman. Thanks for sharing so many "possible" scenarios Fluffy, if it wasn't for you I will not see ALL those possibilities. I find funy that almost (technically) all the choices you choose, are the same as mine in my playthrough. But... still in my first playthrough 70+ hours, my human mage, romancing Cullen, have to go for the Eluvian (saying no more, I don't want to make spoilers if I can avoid it. And you are in your 3 playthrough lol It's awesome. (I'm careful only to watch videos of scenes that I already saw in my playthrough and see different outcomes and possibilities. All your characters are awesome and pretty! I don't know how you do it. But great work. But... there was a moment when you MC is talking with Fiona that made me think about Prince Charming of Shrek (the hair, the face and talking with "Fiona" XD). Again thanks for sharing all this, and waiting for more of your videos. I hope you do one romancing Dorian, I really LOVE Dorian XD.
Lol, if you marry Anora as a Cousland, AND save Loghain he says some funny stuff. "She could run around- fall scrape her knees and command them to stop stinging. It would... Probably work." 'So I should expect to be bossed around?' "If you did not expect that then I have no idea what you were thinking."
Definitly. I hate Anora soo much, she's a stupid traitor just like her father. Im happy i could marry my warden with Alistair, so we could rule together and send these two far away. hm :3
FYI, the armor King Alistair is wearing is the same armor he wore in the Silent Grove comic book series in where he travels with Isabella, Varric and Sten to find his father, who was being tortured by a Tevinter Mage as he was using his royal dragon blood to power some device which will give that mage access to the Fade and rule it.
Was glad I married them. Comparing to Alistair or Anora solo they're so much more powerful together. Behind every powerful woman is...well...a powerful woman ;)
He's a young king. I doubt he's going to stay single forever anyway. All the Banns, Teyrns and Arls in Ferelden are likely begging him to marry their daughters.
Why royal guard do not bear a single weapon? Would have taken so much to code a sword on their hip? Bah.. also... Why no sheaths biowaree? Do not exist in thedas? Do weapons magically cling to one's body?
Also, y'all are crazy. I think Alistair and Anora look perfect, and I'm playing on ps3. Alistair looks 10 years younger than he did in Origins though, but he still looks great. He very much looks his age in this video, so handsome o3o. Anora looks pretty much the same on my ps3 and this video.
question doesnt this take place like 10 plus years after dragon age origins if i remember correctly in return to ostagar there was a note talking about how anora hadnt given cailan and heir even though she was getting older or something like that she was mid to late 20s atleast so now shes gotta be what mid 30s to late 30s and she still hasnt had a child maybe getting alistair to marry anora was a waste since she might not even be able to have children in the first place that and i prefer him when he rules by himself seems much more nice of a guy in my opinion
Kinda late on this but remember, Wardens have darkspawn taint on them. They can pass this taint to their born children, causing them to live less than 30 years. That's why the HoF (Hero of Ferelden) is travelling west to find a cure to the taint. It was possible a few times with avernus using blood magic and a certain warden suddenly being stripped of their taint yet no cure was currently found, that's why the HoF is travelling.
Alistair looks so bad and what the heck is up with Anora's blush. And why is their skin so shiny. They look better in the first game. I love this game, but not when it comes to Alistair and Anora.
Which route did you take? I took the Templar route, and Akame Ga Kill! That's a good show, but very similar to Game of Thrones... Every character I like is just dying...
Arashikage Zero Ya Templar route,they won't make appearance and have to kill Fiona =0! The Mages route seems more "Cannon-ish" in a way,i do it on my 2nd PT. Wha'ts your class btw? Mine is Assassin Dual rogue ^^ Ya sadly the Anime started great and it detracted from the Manga,it skipped 10 CHAPTERS W0rth of Character developments/Contents + a 3rd Faction Wild Hunt lead by Shuru . General Budoc doesn't die so easily. I went through 3rd Transformation of Incursio even . I recommend picking up the Manga, reading chap 37-52 where Anime Stopped after Seryu death.
Tatsumi Anime Superhero Fan Have to kill Fiona? And I took the same route, and I'm a tempest dual wield rogue. And yeah the anime I heard is leaving out many chapters and content, as well as changing most of it such as how Mine is not killed in the fight to save Tatsumi, Lubbock was first tortured... Don't even want to explain what they did... Just nasty... and he died differently too
Arashikage Zero Manga is more Mature M18 deep brutal sh**t too :0. So much Exposition/Character developments/Story arcs skipped .. bah boring to rant on how much Whitefox messed up a Great Anime.. Tempest dual rogue? i don't find that compatible imo :0 even though . I even tried doing Poison blades + Frost of Ice & Toxic Cloud +Frost of Fire + Spinning Blades or Throwing knives. Just didn't cut for me AOE-centred abilities ,even Thousand cut AOE purposed & finisher with the Singular target . I am Lv23 Assassin Specc- grabbed all the Passives across Subterfuge/Sabotage/Assassin /Dual-rouge trees,although Assassin somewhat has mixed of Range/Melee Archery Ambush + Looks like it hurt + Gap in the Armor + Cheap shot + Mercy killing + Throatcutter ,etc. Now my Crit 118% lol with 427 dps Curved-bladed Master corruption rune daggers. But,i believe Archery Assassin can hit more to 8K with 1 shot. My highest Crit was only 4k-6k range even with Ring of Critical unique rings & Ring of flanking + all the Crafted materials
Tatsumi Anime Superhero Fan Oh wow nice, what difficulty do you play on? And Yeah I know, the manga is much better imo. And I dunno, I enjoy using Tempest more and I sucked withy assassin... Tempest is kind of suiting me and I've grown an attachment to it lol :o I'd say it's kind of due to my high crits and updrades on my tempest abilities that makes it stronger for me than assassin, and my gear is mostly optimized towards more focus gain... At 60% bonus focus gained, 7.5% bonus focus gained with each enemy within 8m, and then the party coordination attacks granting bonus focus. I get max focus to tier 3 very quickly, and then for my gear my amulet is superb cooldown amulet, so all my cooldowns are 15% less So I can use my abilities of tempest more often with its effects and such they provide me... Dunno, I guess its flashy moves makes me like it to tbh haha and I play on hard though, so on nightmare I'd more than likely not do well I guess... Unless I solo with Vivienne haha she's way to over powered...
@@CreativeUsernameEh Maybe, but they did Anora dirty. I get it's 10 years in Thedas since Fifth Blight, but come on, she looks terrible :/ the same applies to Teagan.
Spoilers!! - If you choose the Templars, you won't see Alistair if he is king. You'll only get a mission on the War table from him regarding peace talks. If you kept him as a grey warden you will definitely see him regardless of what side you picked ^^
I went with the Templars because I read a walkthrough that said I needed to if I wanted to romance Cullen. I'm a bit disappointed I was swayed by such bullshit though. There seems to be a lot more care and story built into siding with the mages.
honestly thats how it is in all the games. defending mages always seems to be the choice Bioware wants you to prefer. especially in DA2. Meredith was sort of shaped to be the villain throughout the game. and she's night commander. and your family is full of mages too. In this game Allstar doesn't show up if you pic templars
Alistair is always good for a surprise. In DAO, when you are his friend he shows his inner strengh and thoughtfull mind, he hides behind self-deprecating humor and a himbo aura, since he was a victim of child abuse mostly by the chantry and due to his past, where always others made decisions for him, he has not a lot of self-confidence makes himself smaller to protect himself of getting hurt. He was a troublemaker in his chantry days and adding to his sarcastic humor, he still has a strong will. You can help him by hardening him during his personal quest you only get when you have at least 30 approval. From this day forward, he stands more for himself and grows in self-confidence and maturity. His disapproval to some problematic decisions like sacrificing Isolde is a lot lower. He will become more pragmatic but has still strong morals, but he is capable of adjusting to reality and making difficult decisions. He is willingly to become king and learn all parts of governance and proves himself as a strong and couragious leader.
some of the takes on here are big yikes, like sure i would love to see a lovable alistair again, but that's not gonna work if he's going to be a king. and honestly, anora is what the people needed, she's honestly the reason why the country hasn't gone to deeper shit. her first husband didn't do shit and all he did was sleep around with other women while she did most of the hard work.
I would have figured Fiona would be much older considering she is Alistair's mother and had him in her early thirties. That would put her in her early sixties. Did what cured her of the taint also help make her live an extra extended life?
gallopingLake6 Interesting theory. Though, I was playing more off of what you can say while talking with Zevran and Zathrian and such. As a dwarf or a human you can say things like "you all look the same age to me" and stuff like that that insinuates that elves tend to not age very quickly aesthetics wise.
MPHknows But Zathrian was kept alive for several hundred years due to the curse he put on Whitefang. As long as the curse existed so did Zathrian. Although it was true the his clan assumed that he had once again began living as an immortal elf of time of old.
gallopingLake6 I'm not talking about how old he was versus his appearance, I'm talking about certain things the warden can ask. I can't remember anything word for word, but it brings up the assumption that elves age slower aesthetically than humans.
My god Alistair's outfit is enough to make your eyes bleed. Who on Earth dressed the poor man? That's the ugliest outfit in the whole game. Including Cullen's fur collar, Solas's nipple hat, and the Inquisitor's beige pajama outfit. You'd think a king could affor something better. Even his armor in Origins was much nicer.
What did you expect? I mean, it's realistic. More realistic than the friendship/rivalry thing. Your actions IRL can color how people see you, quite a bit actually, and if you make decisions that go against someones moral integrity, they probably wont want to be all cuddly and lovey dovey with you.
Yeah, I like the Friendship/Rivalry system more than the approval system. The upper comment says is more realistic, but in the long run I am sure most players are afraid of pissing their companions with their answers, while the F/R system in DA2 gave you more freedom to be real with your companions.
Nameless Hero nope the ones who know are Maric Fiona Loghain and Duncan Loghain cause He war best friend of Maric Duncan knew because He war best friend of Fiona and Duncan was kinda in love with Fiona but He was afraid to tell her poor Duncan
B-But... That depends on your decisions in the previous games, if you do not want to see him, just exile or execute him on Landsmeet lol (But that will be very sad.)
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Alistair seems so much more aggressive with anora than on his own.
Guess it's a good thing I never let him marry her. She turns him into a complete ass :/
Sarah Henderson If you side with the Templar and made Alistar king you don't get the cameo. But he will write a letter asking the inquisition for help and in the tone of the letter he is the Alistar we all know and love.
He kicks them out all the same without Anora. Mean face and everything.
Mundane05 You're right, he does, but he's not nearly as gruff about it. Stern, yes, but he does it with a little more remorse. Anora has made him a total jerk.
Mundane05 Yes but after he tells them to leave his face softens and says how he wanted to help the mages.
Damn-just imagine the pain Fiona is feeling at that moment: her son, her only son, grow up to become a King and all she can do is look up at him with proud quiet eyes, and pray for her son and hear from others what accomplishment he’s made, his battles, his happiness... Fiona you deserve so much better...
Navarro A. AGREED!
I don't know. Fiona invited Tevinter into Ferelden, started a war for freedom and then immediately pledged herself to literal slavers, and actually tries to kill you at Haven. She's the worst, in DA: Inquisition.
@@CreativeUsernameEh Regardless, that's family
@@CreativeUsernameEh But mages had a pretty good reason to rebel against their abusers. And listen to her here, she has many under her protection, including children, whole Thedas is ready to hunt them down mercilessly because of Chantry's bullshit so she grasped the only help that was offered to her.She didn't remember asking the Quizzy in Val Royeaux, cause Alexius played with time. And she didn't invite them, they invited themselves, you should know that if you played this quest, they came, offered help and Fiona accepted. It's not like she had much choice, Anora or Alistair or both may have offered sanctuary to the mages but that doesn't mean that all of Fereldans would be ok with that.
Wait a minute, Fiona is Alistair’s mother?
Queen Anora be nice to your mother in law.
Why? Alister wasn’t nice to his father in law 😂
Lol, No! After this, Fiona deserved the Gallows. Anora was way too kind.
@@3adgamd3r . Good point.
@@SeventhheavenDK thank you 😂
@@3adgamd3r depends, she wouldn't marry him if he did IT. So in that scenario, it was the Warden.
I take it Alistair still don't know Fiona is his mother.
No, he doesn't, and sadly we can't resolve that or get deeper into it. I mean, I understand why. The Inquisitor doesn't exactly need to be nosing in these people's business, but I still would have liked a bit more insight.
MPHknows
Well, I had to kill Fiona because I sided with the templars. I guess now he will never find out...
Fiona knows and she kind of hints it to the Inquisitor when she asks about Alistair.
Echo Yin nope, and he probably never will, I am glad that they at least referenced in the game when Fiona asks you about him...
MPHknows I understand why he can’t know as king, but as a Warden I think he should know, I mean if he’s the Warden, then they are literally at Skyhold at the same time, why can’t he find out then!? Goodness does that frustrate me, he wanted so much to find some semblance of family through Goldanna who isn’t even his sister, and I’m like your real mom is right there! Quizy tell him!
People say they don't like Alistair in this scenario since he's so much more scornful and stern compared to DAO, but in all honesty, I think this is how a king should be. To rule, you must not play the fool else pray your people do not trample over you. It's said that Alistair has never been good at governing, hence why he never wanted to be a king, but paired with Anora makes shapes into a much more capable ruler. You must do whatever it is that you can for your people and your homeland, and you must be prepared to be as harsh as need be to do so.
jaredwoozy He does not need to be paired with Anora in order to be or become a better ruler -.-* As long as you help harden his view on things, he sets in this way of ruling.
He can be a good king by himself, but I actually prefer him with Anora.
And I agree he has to be harsher with the mages in this scene, I mean, they weren't victims anymore after what happened to Redcliffe.
Hardening him makes him a good ruler, as he takes it more serious. Becoming hardened *and* marrying Anora gives Fereldon a power couple at it's helm.
I prefer this version of him. He is so dominant and firm here.
the reason why loghain betreyad cailan...
I like to think she fell in love with Alistair in the end after all these years.
since Alistair turned into a good king it is safe to presume she has feeling for him
regardless of her father's status
because even if you execute loghain she will eventually accept the monster her father had become (a monster that needed to be put down)
p.s if your curious in my thedas : loghain was executed by warden
and Alistair rules with anora
yeah thats not how it work so she didnt
Senior 02 Spared Loghain. He, unlike Alistair. is not deluded to the order and had been shaped by the trauma he endured. War criminal yes, but after Orzhammer I put Bhelen on the throne; evidently wiping out house Harrowmont. Mac Tir also served naive a king who he tried many times to keep from the front line. He also changed and believed in the wardens but prior had fear of Orlais due to how war shaped him. IF you can spare Anders or Solas then hypocrisy aries if Mac Tir is to fall. Loghain had also saved the men under his command. Anders and Solas are egomaniacs influenced and driven towards war.
In my eyes my Cousland warden and Loghain are mirror images: family slain before them, a nation turned against them, sacrificing few for the good of many (Orzhammer politics and etc), development of leaders (Maric and Alistair).
@@charlespc8855 lmao, you dont need to justify your other choices regarding characters just because you left one live and other die. I dont even remember or care about Loghain's motivations or actions, I only know he killed shtloads of men, but I can say for sure I dont give a sht about them, ferelden or its citizens one way of the other and because of that dont care if Loghain lives or dies. I dont care about the elves, their heritage or anything like that but the current thedas is just a dump - if solas would make a new one where the elves will no longer be 3rd class citizens, I wont object but right now I also dont care. I care about how mages are treated so there's that.
*Your* motivations to spare and support characters seem idiotic and absurd on the other hand. People choose to do either on a case by case basis, not just "spare everyone who never killed a man" or "execute everyone who killed a man" or "spare everyone just cause".
Also lold ot 'spared solas' - you dont even have a chance to kill him yet.
@@vermilion6966 you're trying to antagonise and get a reaction. Coupled with your basic lack of knowledge of the military principles it's highly amusing. Stop being rude and idiotic it's not called for nor deserved. Go make something out your life as i have then speak to me.
Am I seriously the only one who enjoys the aggressive approach that Alistair takes here? Then again I usually harden Alistair in my Origins playthrough.
It’s crazy to think Alistair & Anora have been married like a decade by this point. 😂 They’re response to the mages is completely appropriate given the circumstances.
I had this cutscene in my walkthrough. What surprises me is that nobody kneels before the royal couple. It is THE KING and THE QUEEN of Ferelden standing right there and nobody kneels? Such disrespect. In DA 2 at least Aveline had some proper manners and kneeled before king Alistair.
Edit: and how the fuck do they look? This is supposed to by the royal clothing? They look like fucking peasants, Vivienne should teach them something about noble fashion.
yeah, they should have kneeled, but that's just bioware not caring for details.
+ Abuyin ibn Djadir When it comes to the Dalish protagonist, it makes sense one of the People wouldn't kneel. Not sure how a Free Marcher noble would feel about the ruler of Ferelden, though.
Maximo Lopez doesn't matter where they're from, when dealing with kings and queens you have to at the very least a proper greeting.
EndoftheLine Given how the Dalish are already outlaws under Andrastian law due to their religion being forbidden, I doubt they care. But I could see a noble human doing what you suggest due to their upbringing.
Kneeling requires putting in more time and resources into animating what is a short and optional scene, one that only a certain amount of players will ever see.
This had to hurt Fiona twice as much. The Mages were effectively exiled from Ferelden AND her own son ordered it.
Well she must feel lucky wasnt executed since that was one the biggest backstabing he was helping the mages even before the rebelion and she sell the second most important Ferelden city to Tevinter in the middle of a war.....
After what Fiona did here, now I totally understand and see Vivianne's negative opinion about her.
@@SeventhheavenDK Fiona had no options left. It was either let her people die or be slaves to the Tevinter.
Anora definitely looks better in DAO. She looks worse in Frostbite engine, but that is just my opinion.
I think most of the characters looked better in DAO not sure if that the engine or that they've tried to make them all look 10 years older.
both of you are forgetting its been also 10-12 years roughly since DA:O in the storyline
i JUST SAID THAT, THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE LOOK THEM 10 YEARS OLDER.
10 years older doesn't mean they have to look worse. I'm not saying that they looks ugly, but they certainly looks different.
GreatFreedom
I think you're forgetting the noses in DA:O. It's not simply a failed aging attempt here - both of them look like they had some back-alley rhinoplasty in Denerim o-O You'd think the King and Queen could afford better
Damn, Alistair's Kingsguard look so cool.
...even if completely unarmed.
1:32 Cassandra said it just like a mother
I wish the warden could come with alistair if she married him and became queen...😪
Yeah that's why I always have my warden die in the world states.
Cuz like they never show up in the game anyway.
That awkward moment when you know Fiona is Alistair’s mother.
So basically... Alistair did a more extreme version of "GOD MOM! GET OUT OF MY ROOM!"
Alistair needs to be seen as a king and the mages have been doing things they shouldn't so of course hes gonna be stern but I'm pretty sure due to his adventures he still tolerates the mages. Also this is probably the first time since he was a Child that Fiona has seen Alistair. And I dont even think he knows that shes his mother. And she was a warden that fought alongside Duncan to.
I love how enthusiastic your inquisitor sounded when offering the alliance with mages. 😂😂😂😂😂
Also, I always find it so weird when Alistair is stern. I'm so used to him being that goofball in Origins. It also seems he's more stern than Anora here.
If you harden him in Origins then he takes being King seriously, and this causes Anora to respect him more. It makes sense that after a few years they'd become a power couple.
@@jamestown8398 but how does inquisition know he's been hardened? Does taking him to Goldanna harden him?
@@Elvenwyn Nah, Alistair can still be soft after taking him to Goldanna if the Warden doesn't use the right dialogue options. The only option that I recall from the DA Keep that could signal that Alistair was hardened is Loghain living and Alistair being king at the same time.
Alistar has lost all his sassiness.
Not if you have him on his own or with a warden queen. Anora sucks the fun out of him, just as I expected she would.
MPHknows After ten years of marriage, I hope that is not the only thing she has sucked off of him.
AntiXaldin I'd be surprised if they had much of a sexual relationship. As shown through Alistair's romance, he doesn't take well to physical intimacy without personal/emotional intimacy. Sure, that may have changed over the years, but they don't have that much chemistry.
There is no reason for after ten years of marriage for them to not be much more comfortable with each other.
Also, they do have chemistry. Notice that Alistair always use "we" never "I" which he could, as king. Clearly, they see each other as equals.
AntiXaldin Seeing each other as equals doesn't equal chemistry. And Alistair has used 'we' since Origins, even though he was senior warden and could take full control.
I've seen every version of this seen with them both, and nothing has shown anything between them other than respect. And respect doesn't mean anything about romance. And being more comfortable with each other doesn't equal romance.
I'm going off of their characters and what I see. And I see no evidence or hinting of them having a decent romantic or intimate relationship, and judging off of Alistair's character, I wouldn't expect one. This is my interpretation, though.
I am soooo glad I didn't marry him to her.
Same here, I felt that Alister would turn into a complete douchenozzle with enough years on the throne.
Valintino Pak We dogded a bullet there, didn't we?
I knew he would rather become liek her, than she like him.
its the same alone he needs to change so it changes on every part only if u never made him a king
theasshole
I think he was nicer as a king alone, than being married to Anora.
theasshole He's much nicer alone or with a warden queen. He's still stern and not a push over, even unhardened, but married to Anora he just comes off like... well, like an ass.
oh god this game.......the weird mood swings of the inquisitor were so bad I could cry....
Watching this really made me like siding with the templars more in my playthroughs. Cause seriously Redcliff wasn't even theirs but they kicked out the arl and gave it to Tevinter like WTF.
I don;t care if you're desperate Redcliff wasn't yours to give. At least the Templars got a reliable leader in the end. Ser Barris is GOAT
Fiona made my eye twitch
“And what are the terms of this arrangement?” Ohhh now you’re concerned about stuff like that! Don’t come then, see you in some backwater swamp I guess. Since you and hundreds of people will be homeless and on the run, but whatever let’s hash this out.
Yes, yes, I know they’re vital to save the world, but they don’t know that! XD
Past glories do not excuse present (at the time in origins) atrocities I'm sure Meredith was once a great knight Commander too... they simply don't. and saying simply because they were in essence afraid of losing the power they held over the country they so-called loved (they did inflict Civil War upon it, Loghain does anyway while she stands by) so that excuses their actions or inactions and what they allowed to happen or turn a blind eye to? Anytime someone's trying to defend him it seems like they're bringing up his past, everybody's got a past you know? and it doesn't excuse the present because there are plenty of other characters people condemned no matter what and despite his past of fighting against them ironically his present was simply orlesian, Allowing his so-called friend's son to die just so his daughter / the Queen by marriage could stay in power? And the many other things you find out he's allowed and tries to excuse in the landsmeet? he's irredeemable by that point, delusional and just making excuses and she would still back him and make excuses for him therefore she's guilty for association and hypocrisy, she might be even more power hungry than he is, they both seem to have a God complex and don't think that anyone is able to do what "they" feel needs to be done and in all of that worst of all I rarely ever hear them talking about what's good for the people, you know the ones they're so desperate to be in power over? unless it's in some extremely screwed up manner talking about the numbers or the sacrifices sounds a lot like Celine doesn't it? The empress who beds elves as well as purges them
I got this scene. What happens if the queen is the Warden? Does Alistair just show up by himself? If so, that's wack... and I was really surprised by this scene. Isn't Fiona Alistair's mother? And yet he acted so coldly towards her. They acted like they don't know each other. That was heart breaking. Also, I wonder what happened to Goldanna...
Alistair comes alone if the Warden is his queen, and he doesn't know that Fiona is his mom.
ジョネーJonét Alistair doesn't know that Fiona is his mother the only ones who know about that were Fiona Maric Duncan Loghain and Arle Eamon not even Eamon's wife knew about this Eamon Alistair is Son of Maric and Fiona So of course they know than la Loghain who was the best friend of Maric and Duncan who had the joining with Fiona they were best friends too Eamon knows because He wanted to Defend his sister Honor and Duncan always took care of Alistair that's why He conscripted Alistair because He saw that Alistair war Sad and than Alistair survived to the battle of Ostagar thanks to Duncan ohh Yes and Cailan knew to i dont how but still
Andrei Haraga Cailan knew Alistair was his brother, though Idk if he knew about Fiona being his brother’s mother or not. I think not, though.
I never could (in any of my playthroughs) marry Alistair to Anora ugh. I prefer him being a drunk man than... marry THIS (¬¬) woman. Thanks for sharing so many "possible" scenarios Fluffy, if it wasn't for you I will not see ALL those possibilities.
I find funy that almost (technically) all the choices you choose, are the same as mine in my playthrough. But... still in my first playthrough 70+ hours, my human mage, romancing Cullen, have to go for the Eluvian (saying no more, I don't want to make spoilers if I can avoid it. And you are in your 3 playthrough lol It's awesome. (I'm careful only to watch videos of scenes that I already saw in my playthrough and see different outcomes and possibilities.
All your characters are awesome and pretty! I don't know how you do it. But great work. But... there was a moment when you MC is talking with Fiona that made me think about Prince Charming of Shrek (the hair, the face and talking with "Fiona" XD).
Again thanks for sharing all this, and waiting for more of your videos. I hope you do one romancing Dorian, I really LOVE Dorian XD.
The only good choice in Origins is to make Anora sole regnant of Ferelden!
Lol, if you marry Anora as a Cousland, AND save Loghain he says some funny stuff. "She could run around- fall scrape her knees and command them to stop stinging. It would... Probably work."
'So I should expect to be bossed around?'
"If you did not expect that then I have no idea what you were thinking."
Definitly. I hate Anora soo much, she's a stupid traitor just like her father.
Im happy i could marry my warden with Alistair, so we could rule together and send these two far away. hm :3
woodwyrm Opinions. My Cousland couldn't trust her as far as she could throw her, and for good reason. She's too much like her father.
FYI, the armor King Alistair is wearing is the same armor he wore in the Silent Grove comic book series in where he travels with Isabella, Varric and Sten to find his father, who was being tortured by a Tevinter Mage as he was using his royal dragon blood to power some device which will give that mage access to the Fade and rule it.
Was glad I married them. Comparing to Alistair or Anora solo they're so much more powerful together. Behind every powerful woman is...well...a powerful woman ;)
"WELL BE HONOURED TO HAVE YOU FIGHT AS ALLIES", the Inquisitor said calmly
I HATED Anora in DA:O. Conniving little ass biscuit...
I'd rather Alistair rule alone than with her.
He's a young king. I doubt he's going to stay single forever anyway. All the Banns, Teyrns and Arls in Ferelden are likely begging him to marry their daughters.
oh hell yes!
*ass biscuit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wonder if Alistair will ever learn that elf mage is his mom.
Why royal guard do not bear a single weapon? Would have taken so much to code a sword on their hip?
Bah.. also... Why no sheaths biowaree? Do not exist in thedas? Do weapons magically cling to one's body?
Also, y'all are crazy. I think Alistair and Anora look perfect, and I'm playing on ps3. Alistair looks 10 years younger than he did in Origins though, but he still looks great. He very much looks his age in this video, so handsome o3o. Anora looks pretty much the same on my ps3 and this video.
I prefer to imagine this as Alistair and the Warden Queen Cousland. But that's just me.
You're right, Warden Queen Cousland best Warden hands down. About as good of a come-up story as Alistair's. Perfect match.
question doesnt this take place like 10 plus years after dragon age origins if i remember correctly in return to ostagar there was a note talking about how anora hadnt given cailan and heir even though she was getting older or something like that she was mid to late 20s atleast so now shes gotta be what mid 30s to late 30s and she still hasnt had a child maybe getting alistair to marry anora was a waste since she might not even be able to have children in the first place that and i prefer him when he rules by himself seems much more nice of a guy in my opinion
Kinda late on this but remember, Wardens have darkspawn taint on them. They can pass this taint to their born children, causing them to live less than 30 years. That's why the HoF (Hero of Ferelden) is travelling west to find a cure to the taint. It was possible a few times with avernus using blood magic and a certain warden suddenly being stripped of their taint yet no cure was currently found, that's why the HoF is travelling.
this is why the game should have let my Warden Amell marry Alistair, he'd be less of a dick with her around
i thought only Couslands could become his queen
+HulCAWmania Universe thats what he/she is saying. That the game didnt allow his/her amell.to marry him.
Dam allistar was harsh to his own mother
Yeah but he doesn't know.
My Anora is exiled. GOOD RIDDANCE!
And mine is a QUEEN!
my wife looks much older than i anticipated...
Alistair looks so bad and what the heck is up with Anora's blush. And why is their skin so shiny. They look better in the first game. I love this game, but not when it comes to Alistair and Anora.
I know he looks so unattractive :(
WickedLady2010 Its been 10 years what do you idiots expect?
RampantFury925
i don't care if he is older, i just mean that hid animation looks ugly.
Maybe too much stress as a monarch
IKR, Anora looks like a department store dummy that come to life...
Seriously, why are 99% of mages bad when left to their own devices?
A lot of potential power just takes one curious day and it can snowball from there
Same reason why 99% of Templars abuse Mages when left to their own devices. Because power corrupts.
I was a queen warden Alistair came alone and he was a little bit calmer
I had this cameo for when I played this game.
alistair makes me swoon
If u take the Templar route ,King Alistair & Anora doesn"t appear ,though only mentioned on War table
Which route did you take? I took the Templar route, and Akame Ga Kill! That's a good show, but very similar to Game of Thrones... Every character I like is just dying...
Arashikage Zero Ya Templar route,they won't make appearance and have to kill Fiona =0! The Mages route seems more "Cannon-ish" in a way,i do it on my 2nd PT. Wha'ts your class btw? Mine is Assassin Dual rogue ^^
Ya sadly the Anime started great and it detracted from the Manga,it skipped 10 CHAPTERS W0rth of Character developments/Contents + a 3rd Faction Wild Hunt lead by Shuru . General Budoc doesn't die so easily.
I went through 3rd Transformation of Incursio even . I recommend picking up the Manga, reading chap 37-52 where Anime Stopped after Seryu death.
Tatsumi Anime Superhero Fan Have to kill Fiona? And I took the same route, and I'm a tempest dual wield rogue. And yeah the anime I heard is leaving out many chapters and content, as well as changing most of it such as how Mine is not killed in the fight to save Tatsumi, Lubbock was first tortured... Don't even want to explain what they did... Just nasty... and he died differently too
Arashikage Zero Manga is more Mature M18 deep brutal sh**t too :0. So much Exposition/Character developments/Story arcs skipped .. bah boring to rant on how much Whitefox messed up a Great Anime..
Tempest dual rogue? i don't find that compatible imo :0 even though . I even tried doing Poison blades + Frost of Ice & Toxic Cloud +Frost of Fire + Spinning Blades or Throwing knives. Just didn't cut for me AOE-centred abilities ,even Thousand cut AOE purposed & finisher with the Singular target .
I am Lv23 Assassin Specc- grabbed all the Passives across Subterfuge/Sabotage/Assassin /Dual-rouge trees,although Assassin somewhat has mixed of Range/Melee Archery
Ambush + Looks like it hurt + Gap in the Armor + Cheap shot + Mercy killing + Throatcutter ,etc. Now my Crit 118% lol with 427 dps Curved-bladed Master corruption rune daggers. But,i believe Archery Assassin can hit more to 8K with 1 shot.
My highest Crit was only 4k-6k range even with Ring of Critical unique rings & Ring of flanking + all the Crafted materials
Tatsumi Anime Superhero Fan Oh wow nice, what difficulty do you play on? And Yeah I know, the manga is much better imo. And I dunno, I enjoy using Tempest more and I sucked withy assassin... Tempest is kind of suiting me and I've grown an attachment to it lol :o I'd say it's kind of due to my high crits and updrades on my tempest abilities that makes it stronger for me than assassin, and my gear is mostly optimized towards more focus gain... At 60% bonus focus gained, 7.5% bonus focus gained with each enemy within 8m, and then the party coordination attacks granting bonus focus. I get max focus to tier 3 very quickly, and then for my gear my amulet is superb cooldown amulet, so all my cooldowns are 15% less So I can use my abilities of tempest more often with its effects and such they provide me... Dunno, I guess its flashy moves makes me like it to tbh haha and I play on hard though, so on nightmare I'd more than likely not do well I guess... Unless I solo with Vivienne haha she's way to over powered...
*Sigh* The price of inducting Loghain into the Wardens is having to deal with Anora as Queen.
Hey do you know if alistair has a warden mistress does he still marry anora
Yes, you can make him marry Anora even if you're his mistress.
IT is sad that this is the only meeting between Fiona and Alistair. Like, she is his mother.
Who made these character models? They don't even have the slightest resemblance to Origins. Total incompetence.
Yeah they are pretty fuckin terrible. Fortunately there are modders who actually give a shit about continuity and fixed Alistair
Chat, do we think anora and Alistair love each other?
Why do I like Origins models better than Inquisition?
Nostalgia
@@CreativeUsernameEh Maybe, but they did Anora dirty. I get it's 10 years in Thedas since Fifth Blight, but come on, she looks terrible :/ the same applies to Teagan.
@@CreativeUsernameEh Because Origins is a better game
sera LOL....after this...Stick them up a tower lol
Alistair and Anora are looking rough here
Does he know that's his mom???
what quest is this? a main quest?
yes
seems like they hit it off.
I choose the Templars, will I ever see Alistair? He married my warden. I'm curious of what I might see. Does anyone know??
Spoilers!!
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If you choose the Templars, you won't see Alistair if he is king. You'll only get a mission on the War table from him regarding peace talks.
If you kept him as a grey warden you will definitely see him regardless of what side you picked ^^
that's Alistair's mom
They both turned to frogs, so fug.
I went with the Templars because I read a walkthrough that said I needed to if I wanted to romance Cullen. I'm a bit disappointed I was swayed by such bullshit though. There seems to be a lot more care and story built into siding with the mages.
honestly thats how it is in all the games. defending mages always seems to be the choice Bioware wants you to prefer. especially in DA2. Meredith was sort of shaped to be the villain throughout the game. and she's night commander. and your family is full of mages too. In this game Allstar doesn't show up if you pic templars
I'm a Mage Nobel, siding with the mages and romance Cullen.
NOOOOOO why??
didn't expect Alistair to become a strongminded king. I made him leave because I didn't trust him as king.
Alistair is always good for a surprise. In DAO, when you are his friend he shows his inner strengh and thoughtfull mind, he hides behind self-deprecating humor and a himbo aura, since he was a victim of child abuse mostly by the chantry and due to his past, where always others made decisions for him, he has not a lot of self-confidence makes himself smaller to protect himself of getting hurt.
He was a troublemaker in his chantry days and adding to his sarcastic humor, he still has a strong will. You can help him by hardening him during his personal quest you only get when you have at least 30 approval. From this day forward, he stands more for himself and grows in self-confidence and maturity. His disapproval to some problematic decisions like sacrificing Isolde is a lot lower. He will become more pragmatic but has still strong morals, but he is capable of adjusting to reality and making difficult decisions. He is willingly to become king and learn all parts of governance and proves himself as a strong and couragious leader.
Alistair's tone is a lot different here, compared to his tone if he is King without Anora :v Seems like marrying Anora impacted his personality v:
It is pretty much the same, people exaggerate with the difference.
In any case, this group of mages in particular deserved worse than that.
some of the takes on here are big yikes, like sure i would love to see a lovable alistair again, but that's not gonna work if he's going to be a king. and honestly, anora is what the people needed, she's honestly the reason why the country hasn't gone to deeper shit. her first husband didn't do shit and all he did was sleep around with other women while she did most of the hard work.
I would have figured Fiona would be much older considering she is Alistair's mother and had him in her early thirties. That would put her in her early sixties. Did what cured her of the taint also help make her live an extra extended life?
Also the fact that she's elven and it's mentioned vaguely that elves age differently.
MPHknows
The legend is that they lived very extensive lives, practically as immortal, before humans arrived. Maybe she tapped into what has been lost.
gallopingLake6 Interesting theory. Though, I was playing more off of what you can say while talking with Zevran and Zathrian and such. As a dwarf or a human you can say things like "you all look the same age to me" and stuff like that that insinuates that elves tend to not age very quickly aesthetics wise.
MPHknows
But Zathrian was kept alive for several hundred years due to the curse he put on Whitefang. As long as the curse existed so did Zathrian. Although it was true the his clan assumed that he had once again began living as an immortal elf of time of old.
gallopingLake6 I'm not talking about how old he was versus his appearance, I'm talking about certain things the warden can ask. I can't remember anything word for word, but it brings up the assumption that elves age slower aesthetically than humans.
They look like they're made of plasticine...
Why are mage hats always so stupid?
i prefer the wedding with anora
The character models are so hideous it’s insane
My god Alistair's outfit is enough to make your eyes bleed. Who on Earth dressed the poor man? That's the ugliest outfit in the whole game. Including Cullen's fur collar, Solas's nipple hat, and the Inquisitor's beige pajama outfit. You'd think a king could affor something better. Even his armor in Origins was much nicer.
Zela Morre do you remember the outfits of the nobility back in Origins they were so ugly the orlesians otherwise know how to dress themselfes
Anora🤮🤮
I see bioware have kept the hideous approval system for the latest game, I'm guessing this effects romance options too.. How sad.
What did you expect? I mean, it's realistic. More realistic than the friendship/rivalry thing. Your actions IRL can color how people see you, quite a bit actually, and if you make decisions that go against someones moral integrity, they probably wont want to be all cuddly and lovey dovey with you.
Yeah, I like the Friendship/Rivalry system more than the approval system.
The upper comment says is more realistic, but in the long run I am sure most players are afraid of pissing their companions with their answers, while the F/R system in DA2 gave you more freedom to be real with your companions.
how could an haft elf become a king
ben reeves
Its' a secret that only 1 person on the planet knows. Even Alistair thinks his mother is some servant woman.
Only King Maric Theirin (Alistair's father) and Fiona (probably Alistair's mother) know about this
Nameless Hero nope the ones who know are Maric Fiona Loghain and Duncan Loghain cause He war best friend of Maric Duncan knew because He war best friend of Fiona and Duncan was kinda in love with Fiona but He was afraid to tell her poor Duncan
Can Bioware please stop shoving Alistair down my throat? I swear to god, if he shows up again in DA4 I'm not buying the game.
B-But... That depends on your decisions in the previous games, if you do not want to see him, just exile or execute him on Landsmeet lol
(But that will be very sad.)
Then don't buy it, one less buyer isn't going to do anything to harm them. The more Alistair the merrier.
Mhm a 3 minute cameo in a 60 + hour game is really "shoving Alistair down your throat " .
Alaric Winchester Alistair was my favorite companion how could someone not like him
then don't buy it? I hope Alistair is front and center of the cover just so you can see it before not buying it :D