Living With the New BMW M2 Manual - Is it Actually an Enthusiast M Car? (POV Binaural Audio)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Living with the BMW M2 reveals more than the track tests would suggest. Let's take a drive with The Topher through the streets of Michigan to find out if this is a real enthusiast M car, or a compromise.
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thetopher described the design of this car perfectly in his video- it looks like it had an allergic reaction to something😂
damn I just realized Topher and Tedward are two different people
@@Ar1AnX1x yh this also got me so confuse at first
Yup, BMW design is dead. A company changes over time with its people, and BMW did not change for the better.
BMW is dead to us now regardless of their sales. Keep the old BMWs, way better than anything they will make until they go out of business… they think we are fools…
@@Ar1AnX1x That is such a meme at this point
@faheemabbas3965 the regular 3 series is still beautiful
Topher and Tedward are a great pair. Two guys talking cars and I wonder, "Y'all get paid for that? NICE!"
Theyre top2 fr
Tom and Chris combo is the best combo😂 Love how extensive you guys have covered this car :)
Edit: You mentioned the size. It’s shockingly big. I parked my E90 sedan next to a 230i coupe and they genuinely almost look like they’re the same size. The M2 is wider too.
Ah yes, the brothers are back, and this time they're reviewing the "allergic reaction" in a 6spd manual. Excellent.
@Bezos-cp9gkno
I had an e90 335i and the 1-2 gear change was so hard to get smoothly. You had to really pay attention and get the RPMs just right. I've had several BMWs with manuals and that was the only one that had that issue. It was actually super annoying and impacted my enjoyment of the car. Sounds like this M2 has a little bit of that, which is disappointing.
E46 M3 is that way, it’s mainly the Getrag transmissions but the BMW linkage is also apart of the issue on the ZF’s
Concur in my e92 335i manual, especially before the transmission/fluid is warmed up. I never drove a 'F' generation, but did get a chance to test drive a G82 M4 with a manual and thought the transmission and clutch feel were much improved over my e92. I left very impressed by the M4, yes it is a big car, what I envisioned a 5-series to be, but it drove very well.
So it is a thing! My e90 328i manual has the same issue, but it's the only manual I've driven, so I have no comparison.
@TheLPCGAMING I have the zf 6 speed in a e90 328i, do you think a short shifter could help?
@@hassyg4083 Probably because you were too busy getting bummed in the back by a femboy.
"They don't pull out quick enough"
- Tedward 2023
It was an absolute choice to leave this in 😂
@@TedwardDrives Just saying I love your videos, they feel fresh and natural and I always wait eagerly for you to drop something
Lucky for him, he can't get pregnant.
Would love a small text with metric units when you quote imperial units. (Like Doug Demuro does) Makes it easier for the non US audience you have :)
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Always great to see Tedward and The Topher together. I agree with your thoughts whole heartedly, except the suspension doesn't feel that stiff to me. Maybe even too compliant in comfort mode. That's on not so good Southern California roads, but probably a different story in Michigan. It makes a great small GT car, but not really a special drive TBH. The engine is a real beast though!
Old m2 was nicer looking by far IMO
I just wanted to say , thank you for teaching all of us how to drive a manual properly. :)
both Mercedes and BMW seem to have had a bit of identity crisis for some of their cars for some reason where they can't figure out what its exactly for, while Porsche doesn't seem to have that problem, and it doesn't mean their cars are bad, they're so good but some of them just lack personality
The tophers and the tedward are the best 👌
I bought mt girlfriend a 2006 330i with a 6 speed and she fell in love with bmws. Now this is our goal, hopefully we can get one before they discontinue the manuals for good.
I love this car because it makes me really want to buy an E46 M3 instead lol. Yes they're a pain in the ass but worth it in this dark era of modern "M" cars.
Nah just get a b58 powered m240i. In this day and age you’re gonna want a turbo.
@@ps3alphagamer12 true, that's a valid point! I've presently got an E92 M3 and F87 M2 but I sure do love that B58 engine
@@ps3alphagamer12 "In this day and age you’re gonna want a turbo." - I feel like its the exact opposite. Everything has a turbo nowadays. I miss the instant response of an NA.
This beats all the other M2 versions and the 1M. I have a F 2 series but I have to be honest ..
The lack of seamless integration between the dashboard and the screen annoys me a lot, despite that it's a nice car, I'd get the previous generation one just to have an actually nice-looking dashboard.
1.8t in my opinion are just way too much weight in an M2. I drive a i30N DCT and I already find it weights too much at 1.5t. I feel like BMW is making every car too big nowadays and then compensate it with a bigger engine.
Unfortunately i just can’t get passed the looks of this ( or afford it lol ). Got an F82 just now but probs gonna go for an og m2 next. Cannot understand the modern styling but thats how they seem to be going
cant stand auto manufacturers are ditching mechanical tachometers for digital screens. I dont want to look at a stretched out ipad when driving.
You two are my favourite duo although I prefer your format so I'm always stoked to see his feature on your channel.
We need a similar M3 (or M4 would do too) review soon. They feel so much more complete compared with the M2, but the thing is - to each their own and on top of that I haven't heard too many opinions on things you value and pay attention to in these types of cars. I recently found a black on black M2 spec looking kinda appealing, but then I went through ready-to-collect 2 series listings and at the price point of $75k for an M240i and $100k for an M2 (both brand new; forget the specs as I didn't pay much attention to them, just wanted to see a price for a produced car waiting for a buyer) I don't see the upgrade worthy those $25k but more so I really can't see neither of those prices be justified for what you get. I might be biased because I would've never thought of a ~3-4 yo, slightly used car as a worse option than a brand new car, but in my eyes, when it comes to the M2s I would go for the previous gen 100 out of a 100 times if offered. TLDR the new M2 feels incomplete and I have a hard time justifying it at such high price point.
Great video, it is refreshing to see people be critical of the direction the automotive industry is going towards and not sugarcoat the stuff that bothers them about new cars, that's why I love your vids.
The car industry is going so far into computer control that the dash is becoming distracting, you can't watch movies but all than live driving data an gps mapping is safe to watch?
I fear that BMW has lost its way. Excellent motors and muddled designs around them.
"...is this the manual you wanted to save or are you going to be like The Graduate, and you're going to be on that bus, wondering if you made the wrong decision." Such a great left field reference!
Good review video. I agree with you about it looking like big Lego blocks stuck on the outer rear bumper. I don't like how many new cars now look like they forgot the dash gauges, etc, and just look like they stuck an iPad on the dash as an after thought. I like all that built in.
Does the clutch grab at the biting point or does it just glide past it, of that makes any sense. I prefer the grab
I'm not sure if it's just the one I tried, but the clutch pedal was awful. Maybe the worst of any manual car I've driven. The pedal is long, light and springy, but the clutch pedal feel and weighting is inconsistent. Boo
Thanks for the honest review. My E90 M3 is not going anywhere.
dream car when i have the money, please don’t sell it 🙏
The two T's, Topher and Tedward! What a duo! The car seems really confused what it wants to be.
I think the amount of electronics make things seem numb and vague. All the settings you can change through the infotainment seem to just complicate things.
No tires will survive lots of track days, but general driving this car is lighter in weight than my f150 and has wider tires, and I routinely get 50-70k miles out of my AT tires on my trucks. Using them mainly on road with occasional beach/trail use at low PSI. I think most people will get the rated warranty millage out of their tires in this car, and if not you know what you were doing.
This car weighs as much as the M5 E60. Let that sink in... what the actual f, BMW?
BMW is dead to enthusiasts, keep their old cars. They’re way better than anything BMW will make nowadays until they go out of business…
I wonder if the designers purposely made it ugly with the pollen sacs on the back and stuff, the giant Samsung in your face, taking away the easy to use ergonomic switches and controls, just to sell a future version that "fixes" these things?
I’m about to order an m2, I test drove it & loved it, HOWEVER.. the clutch was placed so damn high that my toe part of my shoes were hitting the plastic trim every time I shifted, may have to cancel it.
Are these new BMWs targeted at chinese market? They look so weird. This would make somewhat sense then.
That car is an eyesore. The old 1 series is cute.
This or CT4 Blackwing?
F87 is the one. Still glad they produce this nonetheless.
A complete front end redesign and it would be 10 times better. Then the rear could use some more work lol
front end is great, just swap out the grill for mesh or vertical bars and it’s nice improvement. i think the rear needs work, a better diffuser, slight lowered, wider stance on the wheels
I gotta get one before they ruin the front and they turn it electric. Just like they ruined the M3 with that nasty beaver bucktooth grill.
This thing needs mild hybrid, and AWD with a big rear wheel bias. BMW has truly out done themselves with this car from a viewers perspective.
How does this compare and contrast to the fl5 type r?
faster...more numb. more powerful brakes. less engaging.
As someone who is VERY new to driving manual, is it wise to go for a manual G87 as a daily or is the auto a better option? I know both options are seen as equally good but I am a bit scared to try and spend so much money on something that I may or may not be comfortable driving...let alone have fun with. Alternatively, I could always get a cheaper second car with a manual to properly warm up to the experience. Its just that I always have second thoughts about the auto every time I hear someone online rave on about manuals being superior. Whereas in my POV, the auto in the G87 just felt like a more sensible option. My lack of real experience with such cars is what's holding me back I suppose.
Manual is just Muscle memory. And new Manuals are so damn easy to drive that you can miss half the clutch's biting point and it will handle it for yourself
Everyone keeps talking about the hump on seat in between the legs and how it was a mistake. But I guess, those ppl fail to realize that’s for 5-point racing harness/belts. It actually had a function. 😊
The instrument cluster colours reminds of playing Diablo with the health and Mana 😆
more legs plsss 🤤
noticed the steering was in comfort the whole time but that was your complaint. was that on purpose? wonder if adro will come to the rescue with the styling like they did the g8x
It was so frustrating to hear him constantly talk about floaty steering, with the steering in comfort. There is a massive difference between having the steering in comfort vs sport. Ironically, if he had just switched it to Sport/Sport+ and left it there, it would have been all settings in Sport. But nope, he hit the M1 button in the beginning which is a custom profile that has the steering in comfort mode.
@@Herpaderp10 literally me the whole time 😂
@@Herpaderp10he has been other comments explaining that sport/sport+ didn’t change anything
Because half the time they don’t pull out quick enough … nice
you're in comfort steering the whole time...
It’s the only bearable mode. It just gets artificially stiffer in sport and up. Awful.
It's such an awesome review, and obviously not just some BMW FANBOY thinking the car is flawless 😂
I love the old M2, but boy, what is wrong with the bmw designers. They design a good engineered car, but makes a car look ugly. I just don’t get it!
Hopefully I will be buying this baby second hand in 1.5 year looks amazing!
What's that green light that keeps coming on the display? Never seen it before 😁
4:04 that tongue is crazy bruh thought that was an ankle monitor
LOL
its at the point now where BMW just needs to go away. Cease to exist. Ugly, confused engineering and just awkward to drive.
Very unattractive, high tech luxury touring GT, not a true driver's car.
I would buy it just to dismantle and tune it. Its ugly.
A friend of mine works for bmw North America and I got a ride in a new m2 the other day. From the passenger side it felt really good suspension wise and power. Can’t speak on the steering feel. I will say, under acceleration, that’s where you feel the weight. You know it’s going fast but with all the weight you can feel the momentum the car has from carrying all the baggage. Weight is the enemy of the modern sports car. You can make heavy cars handle great, but you can’t make them feel great compared to a lighter car.
I think it’s a great car, I liked it and wouldn’t mind owning one (if I could afford it) but I wouldn’t want it to be my only sports car.
The car makes sense for the person who wants a sports car with all the modern technology but doesn’t care about the drive like we do
I always thought this generation was the ugliest looking M2, but then I saw it in person and absolutely positively realized that.......I was correct. Man, that thing is one ugly mofo.
Ah yes. I forgot about 4 door black M3. Ughhhh@@Brian_Eugene_Lee
Had they designed it exactly like the M5 but smaller, it would have been the best selling BMW of all time
Do you think that a VW GTi or R has a better steering than this M2?
I think it’s very weird that BMW’s really don’t have a lot of road feel through the steering now, I know it’s not “”exactly”” a BMW but my ‘14 Mini Countryman is an absolute dog when it comes to steering, even a light abrasion in the road is felt through the pedals and the steering wheel. On the track you have to be on it when you go over any bump or a curb.
I read a review, where someone compared the Z4 and the Supra Mk5. The Supra was alot sportier apparently and the steering sharper. It feels like BMW is now only making GTs nowadays. I find this sad, because back then even the base model BMWs always had sharp and precise steering.
blame electric steering.
Harry Metcalfe did a video just yesterday on this and he said *not* to get the carbon seats with the junk holder. His car had the normal seats.
Harry is a smart man. He’s definitely right.
You know you never switched the steering out of comfort mode 😅
I did off camera. Comfort is the way to go. Sport and Sport plus just make it even worse. Artificially heavy and no feedback. Remember, these modes are marketing tricks. They do not improve steering feel. No road texture is transmitted through the wheel in any mode.
The fenders of this remind me of an e30 m3 a lot. I’m a fan.
i really like the styling. just the rear bumper sucks. also it needs to weigh like 200kg less😂
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Love your content by the way!!!
also these fucking screens - just bc teslas have a big screen TV on the dash doesnt mean you should for a manual M
No yeah the styling on this is horrendous, too blocky compared to the other M's of this new gen
I honestly like the electric steering rack in my X3 M40i, the sport steering can be a bit too heavy but feels good with spirited driving. Not sure how different it is on the newer models. I can definitely feel the road, tires also play a huge role in this. Runflats are so terrible and I bet this had them
It looks like they designed the car, then they designed a Lego version of it, and then they made the Lego version into a real car!
Perfectly described!
gee the gears aren't close are they, seems to bog each change
Other than the fact that it's a manual, I don't like anything about it. Ugly as sin.
oh my god i just realized what the idea behind the Tedward logo was. I was driving on the autobahn yesterday and when I saw the no speed limit sign, it made me realize! very smart!
:)))
Ok I have a question why did you complain about how the steering feeling is bad when your steering settings are in comfort mode instead of sports mode
That just changes the weight. It adds no feel or texture.
@@TedwardDrives thanks for the clarification Ted. Love watching your videos!(Even though haven’t subbed yet)
Dead steering could be a deal breaker; too bad if the rest of the car is good!
Honestly for cars like BMWs I reckon go automatic. My 135i m sport is auto but has paddle shifters and I’m glad I switched from my old manual car to a automatic bmw.
Stop complaining bro
Just drive manual gear cars
You had the steering on comfort, not sport. Probably why you were complaining about the steering
Sport makes it heavier. It does not increase tactility. It feels numb with weight instead of just numb. It’s a marketing technique companies use to trick people into feeling “sporty”
if you haven’t seen close to the new m2 don’t judge.
I’m curious, how does it feel compared to your m5? Sounds like they’re pretty close in weight
Very very very different. The m2 masks weight with its rigid chassis and tech. The m5 hides no weight haha
Thank god i´m not the only one who hate the bucket seats. They look cool no doubt but they are soooo uncomfortable😂
To be realistic though, buckets aren't made for comfort. They are made to hold you in place whilst performing maneuvers where you would normally be sliding around in your seat. They are made to increase the performance feel of the car, not the luxury aspect.
@@danebley986 While that is true i fit in every other bucket-seat. If you´re uncomfortable the whole time while driving you´ll start to lose concentration. And that´s not a great thing.
This has to be one of the most ugliest cars in the last decade
It's not even about the shapes but... whyyyyy is it SO big ? Like it feels absolutely enormous for a "little" m2
It’s just too heavy…
OMG. stop it with this. just stop. unless you are someone who is a proper racer car driver or who tracks these cars often, you won't notice an extra 300 lbs over the other car with less power. i have 4300 miles on this car. while i didn't own the f87, my buddy had one that i drove multiple times. 95% of the people who buy this car are just driving it on the street. don't be a sheep. don't have to just jump on the bandwagon with other people's opinion just to say words.
@RedPanda_______ of course. But you need to have some experience with the car and whatever you are comparing it to to have an opinion that holds any sort of water. If you don't, you are just spewing words and nonsense. But to each their own I suppose.
@@malcolmn.5222 Power does not negate weight.
Consider: What does power do to mitigate the forces exhibited on the frame during a change in direction? How does power aid the suspension in absorbing a sudden change in elevation? Where does power go when the car becomes unbalanced enough to lose traction in its driven wheels because the suspension cannot handle the situations above?
Mass is never lost, and it is always felt. You feel mass from a stop and you feel it on the go. Physics doesn't change from car to car; more weight is always a detriment to a car's potential to be more agile.
Your wrong but that's okay
In the 90's/early 2000's, ALL BMW's had near perfect steering. It didnt matter if you bought the base 323i or the M3, you got the same tactile steering rack that tracked smoothly on the highway as well. Same for the 5-series, fabulous steering through all the trim levels. At some point, I'd say around 2008-2010, BMW decided to give up on being the enthusiast brand. Now, the 2-series was the last hold-out enthusiast model, and theyre watering this car down with crappy steering and a half-assed manual tranny. Well, at least there's still Porsche. Thats where I've shifted my attention to.
Imo I feel like everyone is getting way ahead of themselves with the overall look a feel of this car. I mean I remember when the g8x dropped and everyone shit on the grill and no everyone is fiendishly digging for them(similar to the mk5 Supra). I feel like this will probably be similar. Also bmw has proven that with very little mods the power can increase by a substantial amount. I love this car and part wants to buy one pure to spite people hating on the platform.
Pretty impressive-with the touch of a button (M1) you can turn this car into a rare mid-engine sports car from the late 70’s. They knew everyone would hate the look of the new M2.😂
I don't have much ground to stand on, I own a 2018 mini cooper JCW... but my god, is it the blocky nature of this car that makes every panel seem like the color is mismatched? Or is BMW proceeding to produce even worse paint?
That’s a very ugly car I just can’t seem to get myself to like it
Sean Sean is a better M2 salesman. 😂
Didn't like G80/82, now i am in love. Didn't like this and now it's growin on me. I hate new 5 series but shit change fast wtih BMW. Don't know how, but they make cars that you don't like at first, and then you like and like them more.
The speed limit indicator flashes every time you're over the speed limit? Is that what I'm seeing? If that's not defeatable, that's AWFUL!
Pretty sure you're a werewolf.
Full moon baby
You're still a badass, I am a smartass 😂
It's sad that BMW dash design inspiration comes from a 1988 Oldsmobile Toronado Trofeo, with a squared dash of GMT400.
Audis are better on steering than BMWs these days. Had a hard time going in the BMW direction but ultimately did go that way mostly due to the nicer interior and small bump up in HP, speaking of the S5 vs m440i.
Looks like PlayStation graphics
nice car
Althought i'd appreicate bmw for rlly trying to make it for what it is, I just can't imagine myself go to the garage during the weekend and drive this thing after seeing that face! or that interior.
Love the Speedmaster of your mate.
I have an F series ,but I have to admit it beat all versions of the previous 2 series and1M .. and it’s not bad looking . ( in my opinion)
3800lb m2 what a joke
Agreed. The weight is ridiculous and ruins it.
The color is wrong for the styling, all black or gun metal grey would be better.
As a toy, i would get it in manual. As a main, only car...automatic M2 all day