you are absolutely correct Chadi . I could never understand how they throw with ko te gaeshi or shiho nage tenkan etc ,until you're on the recieving end of it . I did Useshiba style Aikido for a number of years after judo and I knew the sensei who used our judo club dojo so it was easy being introduced to it . The difficulty is with Aikido techinques than Judo is like judo where randori requires skill, speed and strength ; in Aikido the strength is a hinderance to the techinque , it will not work you have to loose the strength and the techinque will work better . I find women more suitable to Aikido quicker than men , and yet Gozo Shioda Yosenkan Aikido is a bit more agressive and strength than Ueshiba's - thank you once more for a great insight !.
@@vaughanmacegan4012 To be a destroyer of Aikido, you'd have to actually understand it first. There's probably one guy that I can currently name in the entirety of the aikido world that truly shows the martial prowess of aikido and that is David Valadez. Mr. Journey ignores martial art masters such as this because not doing so would kill his entire youtube aikido hate narrative.
I was student of an extremely skilled instructor of Aikido here in Greece, Black belt in Judo (i think a 2nd Dan) and 4th Dan in Aikido with also background in various styles (WTF TKD and Boxing as well). A true spiritual person...I remember that many of other students had background in other styles but end up falling in love with Aikido...
Very cool video. I must say I really enjoy the respectful manner you talk about all martial arts. In general all you see in youtube is people depreciating other's martial (aikido in special) arts in pursuit of clicks.
I think the criticisms against Aikido are due to the lack of true sparring in it's training methodology, while at same time lots of practitioners sell it as a martial effective/proven system. It's curriculum alone is full of effective techniques, though, as Chadi shows.
@@lessavini you are right. Though, I practice aikido, my sensei is also a judoka and boxer, sparring is part of our training and most of my colleagues like the martial side of aikido. I personally don't feel I NEED any other martial art.
You're right. Aikido and Judo are a perfect fit. Vigorous Sparring and training against stiff resistance is the only way to be combat effective. Aikido is actually for experienced fighters of other styles who want to be able to subdue an opponent in a violent encounter (without always injuring or maiming). Great video.
I was an aikidoka that started doing Judo, but really atruggled because being forced to put forxe in to initiating throws contradicted what made sense to me, amd I eventually gave up. Probably I would have benefited more if I had started in Judo and gone to Aikido. Watching this makes me think I should have persevered so I could have brought Judo techniques into the aikido principles. Many thanks, you have the best martial arts channel on RUclips.
I grew up in a rough neighborhood in Los Angeles and my first martial art was Aikido. I fell in love with the beauty of the techniques and the philosophy of Budo as it was something I needed in my life as a teenager. But I quickly learned that Aikido was ineffective when applying its self defense techniques against gangsters n thugs. The only successful technique that saved me from getting my butt kicked every once in a while was Rokyo which had to be applied not in a smooth flowery movement but in a catch wrestling style in order for it to be effective. I learned from another Aikidoka that a Jiu Jitsu fighter had won the UFC and that Aikido and Jiu Jitsu were kissing cousins staring that Aikido would also be effective in self defense situations. Little did he know I had been forced to test the effectiveness of our Aikido on the streets as 1st Kyu. I started training jiu jitsu not long after I saw the first UFC and fell in love with the beauty and body mechanics of the techniques much I like I did with Aikido. Sparring was fun and quickly showed me what true humility was. One cannot know humility in martial arts without getting tapped out by a kid half your size. That being said I totally get why you sometimes consider cross training in Aikido. I miss the martial traditions, the weapons on the walls, hakamas, honor code and deep sense of moving meditation. I feel like I'm transported to the samurai period. So much mystique and art. Sorry for the long winded comment. Love your videos. Keep it up. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Jose for sharing, yes i do miss Aikido and think if i have more time i would cross like those great masters, but yes you need sparring to humble you and polish your techniques.
@Jose Cortez, If you miss the samurai bushi culture, discipline, hakama and aesthetics of Aikido but desire investing in functional unarmed defense skills that will enhance your Jiujitsu or Judo training I strongly recommend Daito Ryu. Once you feel it, attending a class, with full resistance, you'll become just as obsessed with it as with Jiujitsu. Just as Jiujitsu feels almost like a super power so does Daito Ryu. Dios te bendiga.
The US needs Tomiki’s Shodokan. Sparring, competitive meets. . .there are only about 9 or 10 dojos in the whole country. It was a shame Tomiki got dissed by Ueshiba’s son, back ‘72, when Tomiki presented his “Sport Aikido” to the world conference. He was an innovator, and got treated like dirt.
Hi Chadi! I have recently discovered your channel, and am flabbergasted by it. Your erudition, humbleness and love for grappling is unique in the online world. Please keep up the amazing work! Thank you, and Bonne courage!
Hi Chadi, Thanks again for the insightful look at Mochizuki Sensei's lifelong contribution to budo. While ressembling Uke Waza, the Technique being demonstrated around the 3:00 min is referred to as Hazu Oshi in Yoseikan terminology. Hazu singifying the little notch on an arrow that catches the bowstring. The image refferring to the wrist pinned under the tori's arm as well as tori's hand riding up under uke's arm. Our version of ude Gaeshi is called Ude Maki (we grab ukes collar while in judo we put a flat hand on the chest). This makes resisting the throw very uncomfortable lol. The way we let ourselves to fall is an extention of ukemi and serves as a basis for a number of other throws. In Yoseikan or Gyokushin Ryu Aikido, we do in fact have a number of Mae Sutemi as well which either still or no longer exist in the judo syllabus. They are often taught in the series each as an adaptation to reactions by uke to the previous sutemi (like in Nage no kata). Our advanced students also work on a series of combos incorporating either Shime waza or Kansetsu waza. As we can see basics like Kote Gaeshi, Yuki chigae (sankyo) can be adapted to sutemi. As a gross motor skill Sutemi waza becomes really intuivie after a while. Many of these movements can be adapted to ground work/ne waza as well. As for sparring we do so with our judo shiai/newaza and Karate kumite. We also sparr to find aikido erltries like you had described. Our aiki randori , while starting out lightly, has increasing degress of intensity leading to sutemi waza. Looking forward to the upcoming comparison video, Keep up the great work! Osu!
@Kali Southpaw This was just after Ueshiba jumped ship from Daito Ryu. I heard the same information he would only take students who had achieved a high rank in one of the Jujutsu schools or Judo. The reason was because he was just so damn good that people from other schools wanted to join him.
Kali Southpaw Definitely Prewar. I think people also forget how rampant (in a great way) cross training was at that time, anyway. It seems like a fairly western romantic view that a single teacher solely represented one art. Even Ueshiba himself, despite drawing mostly in Daito-Ryu, trained in tons of other schools. The same is true of Kano.
There are Aikido styles with broader techniques and sparrings. In France there is Aikibudo, in Japan there is Yoseikan Budo. In the US there is Combat Aikido of Jason Delucia.
I have been a Judo and Aikido practitioner for many years, I understand perfectly what you are talking about, beautiful your channel, thank you for sharing
As a 2nd Dan both in Judo and Aikido I can only agree with you: Aikido, as it is practiced and thought today, makes almost impossible to let you know your true value and level of technique. This is not only bad for the single person, but also for the entire movement, because it leaves the door open to "fake masters", people that open a dojo and teach without ever being put to some sort of test. Kudos for your research and open mind: it is rare to find someone able to discuss calmly and most of all bringing facts to the discussion, instead of just opinions :-) P.S.: IMHO the first sutemi of Shirakawa sensei is Yoko Wakare, since in Uki Waza you block Uke's leg with only one of your legs (in these examples the left one) whilst in Yoko Wakare you put both of your legs in front of Uke's leg (again, in these examples the right one)
This is a very important and UNIQUE channel. I have never seen another channel which looks at both Judo and AIkido in a relatively non judgmental way. I agree with many of your assertions that Aikido needs some sort of pressure testing. Aikido does have much to offer many people, but the perception out there is that it is not a legitimate martial art (as practiced by many schools today). Your knowledge of both Judo and Aikido is very extensive, and i look forward to watching more of your videos.
Without swinging strikes being mandatory the sparing will degenerate into Wrestling. While if Boxing style strikes are allowed then it will become Kudo. It is in Stick Grappling doing Filipino Martial Arts that I am able to use the "internal martial arts" skill sets. For instance you will never use an age uke or ikkyo undo against Boxing style strikes, but it is what you need to keep from getting struck from a downward strike which is the most common attack with a weapon whether it be a stick, rock, bottle, or knife.
@Kali Southpaw Go find a school that deals with this seagal is right all along. Come back after ten years. I'm glad you tried fmA technique you mentioned are very helpful. I will never say aikido is useless.
@@markracadio5207 I've been doing it since 1989 started with Inosanto system and Pikiti from a neighbor who was into JKD and Moy Yat lineage of Wing Chun then when I was put into Amato's Goju Karate it has American Modern Arnis as part of their Kobudo program. Then when I trained Taekwondo & Isshin Ryu I learned from the Sayoc and crossed train kickboxing and Kali with Babakan International. Also my neighbor was from Veejitsu Arnis so we use to train and spar. Then learn some cincotirsio and lightning scientific arnis from one of my old girlfriend kinfolk then when I got to highschool most competed in Stick Grappling. Kept up with it in College and met some friends who were part of Francis Fong Academy who teaches Inosanto and another instructor who taught Isshin Ryu and Inosanto system. Then Gracie Combatives and Sayoc from a minder/handler. Also I was in an indoctrination program through school of the Americas where I was reintroduced to Sayoc & Silat and got a chance to host seminars before the founder died then started hosting others such as the Ilustrisimo and Five Ancestors and Giron then when Atienza came through did some training with them. I also got to do some training with Balintaw, but was already familiar because Modern Arnis is based in Balintaw. Now I mostly train with military and law enforcement in the Alabama and Georgia area of the USA. In the law enforcement community out here Inosanto was popular twenty years while the current generation is mostly being taught Balintaw. Prior to all of this though I am from a Maroon Creole community from Bayou Barataria Louisiana, so we had our own tradition of fighting and my grandfather was the first to teach me Calinda, Savate, and Lutte.
@Kali Southpaw @Kali Southpaw I can we have some differences in training. My parlance of Aikido comes from the United States Aikido Federation which is Aikikai affiliated. IKKYO is an straight armbar/lock the main control point is the elbow. IKKYO UNDO is a parry, deflect, and catch technique that is drilled prior to applying IKKYO as an arm lock. The most common attacks I have seen is actually a horizontal swing from the back pocket either to the side of the torso or neck from knife wounds and from bottles, cafeteria trays and other hard items its vertical down or baseball bat style. A vertical upward stab is mostly sneak attack for instance you get someone else to distract the person while you run up to the side and stab them in the belly or from a collar tie or underhook.
@@Chadi frist,apologize for my english are not well. Thanks for sharing, It’s a great channel. Less historical research videos of Judo are on RUclips. even now no Japanese youtuber doing about of the history of judo/budo.
I was fortunate enough to practice with Mochizuki sensei at his Yoseikan dojo in the late 90’s in Shizuoka for a few years before his death. Indeed, Judo, Jujitsu and Karate were taught at the same dojo and blended in the teaching. Mochizuki sensei would call out “faster” if he felt students were being too delicate or deliberate during practice. We were expected to give resistance to techniques. He was an amazing man with a welcoming, warm heart.
Hey Chadi, glad to see you’re still doing videos. I remember when I was reading up on the background of judo a long time ago somewhere that said Jigoro Kano removed all/most of the techniques that were more strength based than technically based, do you happen to have footage of any of these removed techniques?
My understanding is that Kano removed the techniques that he felt could not be safely practiced randori style. That was his genius because then you could practice techniques against fully resisting opponents without, hopefully, hurting them.
100% agree with you on Aikido. Unless you practiced it, it's hard to realize the value in momentum training it gives you. It's incredibly beneficial to have your partner give you resistance once you've learned a technique. You'll learn quickly where to insert Atemi. O Sensei's book Budo has some great pictures and insight.
So timely that you should post this now. I had just posted an Aikido solo training practice (we are still no able to train together due to Covid 19) for Yoko Otoshi a week ago. Great video Chadi.
Ive always said to sprinkle ina little traditional martial arts, only after you have done alot of hard sparring such as judo, bjj. im getting kinda deep in my bjj journey, and oh boy does it rememind me of some of my ealry hapkido days. funny how life sparring will open up the dorrs to true knowledge.. im telling you the early days of hapkido/ aikido looked more like judo jiu jitsu.. great video thanks for sharing
I agree with you. My late sensei agreed with the non-resistance philosophy of aikido but believed you should be able to defend yourself if the time came and be able to have vigorous practice without fear of injury. So we practiced aikido as well as taihojitsu which incorporates many blended judo and aikido techniques. Great video.
My sensei knew Tomiki Kenji and was called back to Japan at one point to learn the version of the updated Goshin Jutsu that Tomiki and his committee developed for Kodokan. (We also had to learn the Ippon Yo Goshin Jutsu and Renkoho, both of which have a number of similar elements in them to Aikido.) As a result of Sensei's trip and relationship with Tomiki, I have a copy of a little book that Tomiki-sensei wrote many years ago called "Judo and Aikido" in which he attempted to show the relationship between the two arts and how Aikido fit into the larger Judo program of instruction. He included discussions of applying randori training methods to Aikido training. This was a popular topic at several points in Judo history. You might want to look for that book. As for Judo finding its way into Aikido and Karate dojo, this is not surprising at all, given that for many, many years, virtually every child in Japan was required to study sport Judo (or occasionally Kendo or Naginata) in the public school system as physical education. This means that almost everybody graduated with at least a shodan in Judo. If they went on to do Aikido or Karate, they tended to incorporated Judo throws, sweeps, and breakfalls in performing their art. Pretty soon, people started saying "oh, yeah, we do throws and sweeps in our art, too". Well, not really. You do throws and sweeps because your sensei has incorporated them from his/her Judo days. Interesting video. Thanks.
Chadi I agree with your narrative. Aikido would and could benefit greatly with cross training with its brother art Judo! Once again thank you, and God bless you and your family.
I love watching Mochizuki Minory sensei, he was one of the best budoka from 20 century. I practice Nihon Tai Jitsu, a Jujutsu style created by one of his students, Rolan Hernaez.
Hi Chadi Love your Channel and you are so right on Change Aikikai has to Change so yes i agree i come from Kokikai Ryu Aikido and can't wait to get back to the MAT And I am a Blue belt I Love it Congradulation!
Correction.With sparring one quickly realizes that 95% of the complex fancy dancy shit you see on the tatamis is worthless.Too many clueless people think kata is what you'll use in a spar or in self defense and that is just not the case at all.
@@mpforeverunlimited I have a black belt in judo and aikibudo. And you are right the use of aikibudo in a grappling match is limited. Just like judo is when the attacker wants to strike you with a knife. Judo is still affective today on the street. Aikido much less as the attacker would wear heavy armor and knives.
Very interested to see judo vs aikido comparison. Great content. Not aikido but the late wally Jay of small circle jiujitsu was able to fictionalized small joint techniques similar to aikido. Wonder how he did that? Seems to be effective.
As an aikidoka I 100% agree. I have been practicing for around 9 years now And I love rolling with some of the bjj guys in my town cause you can see the importance of what the arts provide and there similarity.
The first techniques demonstrated it Yoko wakare, originally from both Kito Ryu and Sekiguchi Ryu. The second is indeed Ude gaeshi. Kote gaeshi is older than Judo or Aikido and is found in most koryu systems. In some of the old films of Morihei Ueshiba, he uses yoko sutemi as well as a few ma sutemi.
If you get a chance, check out Nishio Sensei's style of Aikido, before starting Aikido, he studied Judo ( 5th Dan under Mifune) and Karate, After starting Aikido, he started studying Iaido and Jodo to understand the movements inside Aikido better.
@@Chadi I'm very lucky to have met my Sensei, Anthony Tartagulia, who trained both at the Hombu Dojo and with Nishio Sensei, so we mostly practice Nishio Sensei's style of Aikido, but Tony Sensei will often pull out old Hombu techniques to give us something we are not used to and need to overcome.
Great channel! As you point out the founders of "do" were experts in the jutsu that could maim and kill and some of them no doubt had occasion to use them. While the principles are still there in Aikido (atemi, ukemi) the knowledge of what could happen if you don't "do it right" is lost or diluted.
Do you know Christoper Hein? His finding on aikido is mind-blowing. It's actually a very effective art on its own field. Aikido go very well in armed based scenario. But if empty hand fighting scenario happen, ideal aikidoka will come out of the fight unscathed with the opponent lost his will to fight. Ideal aikidoka can anticipate opponent's attacks and turn it against them in the form of throw or other technique effortlessly.
Hey Chadi, can you do a video on the supposed friendship between Jigoro Kano and Toshitsugu Takamatsu of Ninjutsu fame. Ninjutsu students are told the two were friends. there's even a story of Takamatsu's best student, Fumio Akimoto, beating Kyuzo Mifune in a judo match and having rank in the Kodokan. Thank you.
I agree with your thought and what you said about first training hard in arts like judo before coming to aikido. It reminds me of a saying attributed to the founder of Tai Chi, which is “first to have, then not to have”. I believe you have to train and develop under pressure before you can ever learn how to flow with the pressure of others. Like minds👍🏼. I’m starting to release some videos (under my name) and bride the gap between the BJJ and Aiki communities. I hold Nidan in Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu, brown in Judo, and 4 stripe purple Gracie Jiu-jitsu. Great stuff Chadi 👍🏼
@@Chadi Me too. Best wishes to you both and I will follow you both. I have some experience doing aikido and other martial arts but have not yet had the privilege of doing bjj, judo or daito ryu. This channel is very informative. I would agree with you guys that aikido actually has many things to offer but people shouldn't only do that if their main goal is self defense or fighting. Personally I would think it would be necessary to be selective about the teacher for aikido. Also, it would probably be better to just cross train in other things that are not aikido rather than to try to make it into something it's not. Personally I've received some benefit from doing aikido. It's probably saved me a trip to the hospital or the police station a few times dealing with antisocial people. I think that comes from the approach to dealing with them. I've done some other martial arts with a hit hard hit first mentality and there may be time when that is necessary, but it wouldn't have been appropriate and probably would've gotten me into trouble. Aikido may not be enough on its own to deal with some serious threats, but the overall approach has worked for me. Once I slipped on a slippery ramp with my baby in my arms and luckily was able to take the fall in such a way that the baby didn't get injured. I think that's the best thing I got from the training. I will follow your channels eagerly.
I am not the only one who thinks aikido technique makes more sense in armed Vs unarmed scenarios with a heavier hand held weapon like a metal pipe or baseball bat or large bottle. Aikido based sparring is very feasible if it's based on the goal of weapon disarming or retention. Much of aikido technique is said to be based on the scenario of a samarai having his wrists grabbed to prevent him from drawing his sword. Also there's a lack of strength training in aikido. In other traditional arts there's lots of calisthenics throughout the class. Lots of aikido technique depends on above average grip and forearm strength. I can relate to loving aikido despite the realisation that it is useless for fighting at least by itself in most scenarios.
Buen video!!! El Aikido puro es para amansar al guerrero, es terapeutico y puede ayudarte mucho a nivel emocional etc. Sin embargo como sistema de defensa personal considero que es obsoleto. Quizás Ueshiba si era capaz hace 100 años salir de un escenario violento. Su principal deficiencia es que eliminó el sparring con resistencia. También muchas escuelas de Aikido funcionan como sectas para idolatrar al instructor. Lo más serio que he visto es el trabajo de Bruno Orozco. Mi respetos para aquellos Aikidokas que si le ven utilidad a su entrenamiento, les deseo éxitos
I studied Aikikai Aikido for years, and felt like I was missing something the whole time. In 2014, work brought me to Osaka, where I ended up at (the very dissed by my Aikikai sensei) Shodokan (Tomiki) Aikido Honbu Dojo. Training there was a revelation. Because Shodokan practices sparring with resistance, and countering, the techniques are tested in a more “realistic” way. This affects the very way techniques are done. Often in Aikikai, because of the way we train, kuzushi was assumed, almost unconsciously. When practicing Randori (NOT the same as Aikikai’s randori) is practiced, there no assuming. You either avoid the attack and counter, or you don’t. Sparring tests your technique, and it is fun. During my 2 years at Shodokan, under Shihan Nariyama, I relearned Aikido, and saw it IS a Martial Art. Because there are only a handful of Tomiki dojos in the US, I’ve been unable to continue training. And, I am spoiled. I can not go back to Aikikai. Tomiki used Kano’s Judi syllabus as the framework for his Aikido syllabus. I think it’s brilliant.
So can anyone here tell me if the moves being performed by Shihan Shirakawa Ryuji in this video are part of standardized Aikido? Or are they from one of the branches off Aikido like Tomiki's style?
In terms of it being on a curriculum sheet in the dojo, it’s not standardized. At least not in Aikikai and Yoshinkan (maybe it is in Shotokan Aikido, but I don’t move in those circles too much). Having said that, I’ve been to many seminars where it is taught. There are a lot of techniques in modern Budo that just aren’t in the test requirements. If you’re insinuating that Shirakawa just took these technique from Judo, it’s hard to say. A lot of the jiujitsu schools that eventually spawned Judo and Daito-Ryu (which then birthed Aikido) have a lot of cross over. So it’s hard to tell where the pulled the stuff. He certainly could have just been hanging out with or watching some Judoka. Or maybe his father (also a high ranking teacher or Aikido) might have just remembered something he learned 40 years ago on a whim.
@@fennec812 Thankyou for your reply. You really seems to know your stuff. It's great to run across people that you can really learn from and discuss things with without running into BJJ people all the time saying how stupid everything else is. Thanks again!
I want to say that the kotte gaeshi to sankaku garami technique was cool and it can actually work with other throwing techniques since kotte gaeshi is not from my point of view the best to ensure a throw or the most effective technique for self defence. Atm I try to study all the hand breaking armlocks from standing position and I found some really good or nasty ones from ancient Olympic wrestling and pancration, if you didn't know the arm drag started as a way to break the arm from standing and there were techniques like ude gaeshi ikkyo nikyo rokyo etc. for example ude gaeshi and ippon soe nage belonged to the same ancient technique which was called "στρίψιμο" meaning turning the arm or manipulation of the arm and it was used actually to break the arm at the same time as you throw your opponent down with the difference that in heavier opponents you used all your body , I have seen similar techniques in old ju jitsu but those faded away since with judo implementation techniques were used not to kill but to restrain your opponent with respect. Imagine "άκρο χειρισμός" or manipulation of the arms was even sometimes held as a specific sport or the rules of pancration fights changed so the best at manipulating arms won without the use of other techniques , there was an ancient Olympic champion who won solely by manipulating the arms of his opponents. I will write the name down in a bit.
@@Chadi I believe that a great deal of Russian and Georgian judo have ancestry over Greek, Roman and Persian wrestling origins passed down through the eastern Roman empire to Russia. It's also good that judo merges with folk wrestling styles of each country making something new.
it reminds of a similar fellow over here in the U.K. at the begining of 20th Century !. E.W. Barton -Wright was a railway engtineer in Japan in Meji restoration aftermath . He studied under kano and others from jui jtisu and created his own ; Bartitsu !. which recently in the U.S. and Englasnd has been revived over the years . He Uyenshi and Yukio Tani over helping him ! It would be a good video possibly and research this guy Chadi my friend . what do you think ?:)
I'm glad I found this video. Aikido is an art of very deep roots, and unfortunately that has it the way it is nowadays. There is no black and white here, at least not always, and the grey areas need a lot of analysis. I honestly think Aikido is the victim of dogma and blind faith and that's a teaching flaw. Many teachers instruct it out of his technical and historical context and Aikido is not the only art suffering that. And I'm glad to see someone who dares to be honest about his own art. Martial arts are not just practice, they require deep understanding to really advance.
I entirely agree with you about the basic Aikido training not preparing for an actual physical confrontation. There's also a psychological factor to take into account. How much an aikidoka, who expects the attack not to be real or at least not to be an actual threat, will be ready to confront real aggression? I trained karate as a teenager, and I had to spar often and prepare for tournaments as well, and I know that sports are not self-defence either. Still, I know that my body and mind have been trained to work under the pressure of a "tournament-preparation" Kumite - which is surely better than just working like in mainstream Aikido, which is flowing Kihon basically. In Aikido, I've trained Iwama, and the good thing about the Iwama tradition is that at least the attack is real and has an intention to harm, not realistic, but if you fail to get out of the line of attack, you'll be hit, and the grabs are firm to the point that you can't almost do the technique. We also used to do a randori with multiple attacks and attackers, but as I started training judo, I realized that randori in judo is a different thing. In Aikido the sokes and shihans should introduce something else, or accept only people who cross-trained with combat martial arts :-) I don't understand why they are not updating their teaching methodology. It makes me sad a bit 'cause in the end, I like Aikido, and I ended up not doing it anymore, and picking up judo which I love too, but because Aikido has a special place in my heart :-) I feel that something is missing!
Totally agree.... I started judo at ten years old. Then life and programs marriage divorce. Then linear Tae kwon do, Then Aikido woke me up. Then Nijustu. Then Iaido.... So the warrior life in full circle of meditation. I miss the training now older living mountains seeing balance in a world so unbalance. I would like to just share that something in that connection of grace. I
Chadi, if you get a chance I highly recommend training Daito Ryu for an indepth increase in biomechanic knowledge which compliments Judo very well. Especially as you get older, as I am, you'll appreciate the biomechanical power of Daito Ryu. It looks fake but when you feel it applied you realize it's surprising power. It's secret is it's aiki displacement of structure to achieve kuzushi w/very little force. Less than required by Judo kuzushi. Just another tool in the tool box.
Off topic do you have an architectural practice? If I wanted to do a home renovation could you do consultation? Also if I remember correctly you stated you're Lebanese, so I hope all is well.
How did youtube recommend me a video mentioning a technique which almost cost me my wrist this week??? 😂 This is amazing. We couldn't figure out what was its name.
@@Chadi In Uki waza you face your Uke and one leg is on the inside. In Yoko wakare you turn sideways and both legs are on the outside. He clearly does an Yoko wakare.
Great video im a judoka who does mma my judo coach held 3 black belts ranked highly in all and had great control of the body during his aikido techniques. Could you do a video on wristlocks/aikido techniques and ones that could potentially work in mma from afar it sounds stupid to wristlock in mma however I have found it can be really effective in mma as the opposition never sees it coming and trapping the bulky mma glove makes it easier to contourt the wrist even while its in hand wraps
If you learned Aikido without Atemi waza as a means of self defense good luck pulling any of it off unless your timing and reflexes are not human. You need to read the book “Atemi The Thunder and Lightning of Aikido” the author Walther G. Von Krenner was a Judoka and learned from O’Sensei directly. He discusses in great detail the 3 reasons Atemi exist in Aikido, and why unfortunately it’s been removed by many of your modern schools of the art. This individual was a Judo teacher. I promise you will learn a lot and view Aikido as a much different art when we read this book and see where all the striking was in the illustrations. The art has been watered down over the years depending on who you learned it from. I agree one should learn other martial arts along side it to round out skill sets but the art gets a terrible reputation because of the way it’s now taught. Striking is 💯 necessary for the art to be functional O’Sensei himself knew this and so did all of his original Yudansha. It was their students and students, students that got their own ideas of the direction they felt the art should go and it went from something that was practical to something that had little to no application but Aikido was never ment to be a useless martial art.
Chadi many of your highly ranked Shihan even today have Dan ranks in other styles typically some form of Karate, Judo, Iaido, Kenjutsu, GJJ, Jujitsu, Etc therefor what could be typically concluded by this is that they recognized the art for what it is and trainned in other systems to either fill in the holes or to further their own understanding of the art. Hence the reason you see arts like Iaido/Kenjutsu because AikiJujutsu and later Aikido itself comes directly from those arts as well the spear/staff arts (Sojutsu/jojutsu). From what I’ve been told by very credible sources was that when OSensei taught he seldom ever said much and when students failed to grasp a concept he would grab the bokken or a jo off the shomen and teach it again using that representation of the sword. Anyway as for myself I also teach and have been studying Pekiti Tirsia Kali for years now which 💯 filled in my own holes and definitely improved my own understanding of Aikido. Of course I did combat sports myself while I served in the US Army which I did enjoy for years so I guess what I am trying to articulate is it’s all relevant and at the end of the day you as the practitioner have to figure out what you can have a higher probability working for you. Not everyone has the same level of athleticism as others or physical attributes, etc. even after 15+ yrs of study there are several techniques in Aikido I’d never in a million years ever use in a real situation but Ikkyo/Nikkyo/Sankkyo, Shiho Nage, ude garami, hiji shime, and several other I have made work against uncooperative people and it typically badly hurts them because they all struggle and cry and try to violently yank their limb out. It’s all able to be done with surprise, Atemi and violence of action as well as understanding on how to transition from one lock to the next when it is time and how to quickly take their balance and take them down. Aikido works in real world situations depending on the person but it looks like Jujitsu in execution and it’s messy nothing like the dojo but it’s not an effective form for combat sports it’s just not the right environment for it be useful and the whole idea of it having to be pulled off against some kind of highly trainned UFC fighter is a fallacy argument created by people like Joe Rogan because of his love for GJJ (which I do love GJJ as well). In all the confrontations I’ve ever seen or physically been involved in myself none of them have ever even looked anything like a UFC fight. If you run into someone that highly skilled you should play the lottery because you have the best/worst luck in the world. These people that are so awesome they can whoop anyone’s ass aren’t the ones assaulting people and causing mayhem. Undisciplined minds like that aren’t likely to have learned anything long enough to be using it for evil purposes. I will agree that if you want to make Aikido have a higher probability of working for you then it needs to be learned along side other systems that are more direct and to the point and/or fill in the gaps. Live resistance/sparing is important too because most people have never felt live energy those that have aren’t freaking out about that topic because we know it’s too be expected and probably the most over looked aspect is to back up your skills with physical conditioning and lifting weights so you are stable and in shape enough to handle yourself. If you’re weak as fuck or can’t run a mile to save your life you won’t be able to do anything under stress because your body will freeze on you. This is one reason combat sports do rock because they force you to get into shape because of the resistance same things with boxing and even karate you toughen the body and therefor condition the mind for physical stress. This is probably why I do not view Aikido so negatively. I see it for what it is and take out of it what is useful for me with my background the rest is just for over all knowledge of the art.
Most aikido schools no longer practice atemi waza or striking. Consider O’Sensei taught 80% of technique is atemi they are not practising the complete art. In my school we went to the point of uke wearing gloves and head guards and building full speed attacks including use of atemi. It does restrict application of certain wrist locks and pins but it’s certainly worth while!
As a long time Aikidoka, I do not believe traditional sparring would be much benefit. Instead I recommend, and on the rare occaisions I teach these days, a free form exercise where uke has a goal other then "beating" nage. One thing I would do after teaching a class with a lot of tenkan movements is have nage stand in front of a line on the floor and then task uke with pushing nage over the line. Nage is free to use any technique, but ura forms will naturally be most common against a push. Uke uses whatever force or maneuvering to accomplish the goal of pushing nage. Similar exercises can be devised for whatever techniques are presented in class that session. From putting boxing gloves onto uke and having him use more realistic and harder attacks to having nage tasked with getting to a safe zone (a circle on the floor or through a doorway made of soft mats) while uke tries to stop him.
Not all martial arts are intended to kill or disable/maim. Japanese jutte is a controlling weapon so police or bodyguards can subdue without killing or to simply guide a dignitary through a crowd without killing/maiming his admirers who may be crowding around. All arts were designed for a specific reason in a specific environment and culture. Why samurai can deploy a sword from a kneeling position. They were forced to kneel in the presence of a noble so they developed a way around that limitation. Why nobody wants to go to the ground when the ground is concrete.
100% Chadi. There are a few of us that are developing our Aikido into a martially viable art. Keep an eye out on Facebook for ‘Aikido the martial side’ + ‘Aiki Budo Kenkyukai’ and ‘Tenshin Aikido through the Rogue Warriors’. Also check out what Rionne Fujiwara is up to ✌️
Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel aikido was supposed to be effective. Philosophy and spirituality should never over shadow the martial application because it's just as important, the aikikai should be ashamed of themselves for that comment given the rich martial history of aikido, Tomiki should of responded saying they should not be calling themselves martial artist. The true intentions of the art seems to be watered down quite a bit, how can you protect the peace if you can't protect your sanctuary?
I know this sounds mean but if you're interested in aikido you should do the tomiki style if you have a choice. I've seen a video of a traditional aikido guy sparring with his classmates and it looked really bad. He just made so many mistakes it wasn't funny.
I really think that a lot of the negative comments about Aikido need to be leveled at the Aikikai. It's getting really tiresome. Maybe Aikikai practitioners would say that I was learning Aiki-Jujutsu. If you start with ek-itai and ki-tai it's like picking up a saxophone, making an awful noise and claiming to have mastered avant guard jazz. In reality you have nothing. The techniques should be learned against a resisting opponent in ko-tai and the omote variations are half the game, where are they?!
Unfortunately, the word 'absurd' doesn't help. Different philosophies of the nature of the martial arts, their purpose, and the human potential. You seem caught in the competitive ideology, which fits with evolutionary biology (humans as animals) and laissez faire capitalism (we're all profit maximizers interested only in private gain via competition (again, of the 'fittest' where the 'fittest' here means some sort of evolutionary advantage...which is of course, a circular argument...the very definition of 'absurd'). That's a 2 or 3-dimensional view. Aikido holds a different promise of human nature as having higher dimensionality. Human beings are not merely animals. Thus, we possess higher levels of being, higher goals, the desire to change, etc. A martial art by design to incorporate this higher human potential is obviously going to contain lower dimensional elements. A cube contains multiple planes, lines, points, for example, but you wouldn't call those things 'a cube'.
When i think of Aikido I think of Steven Seagal (whom I hate personally). Obviously, he is a pathological narcissist and nothing that comes out of his mouth can be trusted. However, the martial art is based on the Aiki principle. There is also another style Aiki-Jiu Jitsu, this is a hybrid of Aikido and Jiu jitsu. I don't know whether Aikido would be effective for self defense. I have heard it is the hardest martial art to master. And some people have suggested that it is not effective. However, I have seen demonstrations that were very impressive. It is hard to argue with minimum effort and maximum gain.
@@hiranom20 Daito Ryu Aiki Jiu Jitsu. Sokaku Takeda was Morihei Ueshiba's teacher. Whoever created Hapkido also trained under Takeda I believe. Interesting stuff.
As a student of the Mochizuki Aikido style we still carry on with the study and practice of sutemi waza. There are hundreds of them. As for the effectiveness of Aikido as self-defense it depends on one's own development within the art, his mindset, and circumstances. I don't know if all the various flavors of Aikido use randori (sparring) but we and many other styles do and promote it's necessity in order to become proficient. How effective one becomes may vary with how much they put their heart and soul into their training and where they start from. Cross training with other arts is not wrong but every individual is unique and must live through his or her own personal evolution.
you are absolutely correct Chadi . I could never understand how they throw with ko te gaeshi or shiho nage tenkan etc ,until you're on the recieving end of it . I did Useshiba style Aikido for a number of years after judo and I knew the sensei who used our judo club dojo so it was easy being introduced to it . The difficulty is with Aikido techinques than Judo is like judo where randori requires skill, speed and strength ; in Aikido the strength is a hinderance to the techinque , it will not work you have to loose the strength and the techinque will work better . I find women more suitable to Aikido quicker than men , and yet Gozo Shioda Yosenkan Aikido is a bit more agressive and strength than Ueshiba's - thank you once more for a great insight !.
Thank you so much i agree
Hi Chadi! Just jumped in to check your channel and was very happy to see how your channel is growing! Congratulations!
Hey Rokas! Thank you. Good to see a message from you, I'm incredibly happy you took the time to check up on me, let's talk soon
@@Chadi We meet again Rokas, destroyer of Aikido :(
Rokas 😃
@@vaughanmacegan4012 To be a destroyer of Aikido, you'd have to actually understand it first. There's probably one guy that I can currently name in the entirety of the aikido world that truly shows the martial prowess of aikido and that is David Valadez. Mr. Journey ignores martial art masters such as this because not doing so would kill his entire youtube aikido hate narrative.
I was student of an extremely skilled instructor of Aikido here in Greece, Black belt in Judo (i think a 2nd Dan) and 4th Dan in Aikido with also background in various styles (WTF TKD and Boxing as well). A true spiritual person...I remember that many of other students had background in other styles but end up falling in love with Aikido...
Very cool video. I must say I really enjoy the respectful manner you talk about all martial arts. In general all you see in youtube is people depreciating other's martial (aikido in special) arts in pursuit of clicks.
Thank you so much
I think the criticisms against Aikido are due to the lack of true sparring in it's training methodology, while at same time lots of practitioners sell it as a martial effective/proven system.
It's curriculum alone is full of effective techniques, though, as Chadi shows.
@@lessavini you are right. Though, I practice aikido, my sensei is also a judoka and boxer, sparring is part of our training and most of my colleagues like the martial side of aikido. I personally don't feel I NEED any other martial art.
You're right. Aikido and Judo are a perfect fit. Vigorous Sparring and training against stiff resistance is the only way to be combat effective. Aikido is actually for experienced fighters of other styles who want to be able to subdue an opponent in a violent encounter (without always injuring or maiming). Great video.
Indeed! thank you
I was an aikidoka that started doing Judo, but really atruggled because being forced to put forxe in to initiating throws contradicted what made sense to me, amd I eventually gave up. Probably I would have benefited more if I had started in Judo and gone to Aikido. Watching this makes me think I should have persevered so I could have brought Judo techniques into the aikido principles. Many thanks, you have the best martial arts channel on RUclips.
I grew up in a rough neighborhood in Los Angeles and my first martial art was Aikido. I fell in love with the beauty of the techniques and the philosophy of Budo as it was something I needed in my life as a teenager. But I quickly learned that Aikido was ineffective when applying its self defense techniques against gangsters n thugs. The only successful technique that saved me from getting my butt kicked every once in a while was Rokyo which had to be applied not in a smooth flowery movement but in a catch wrestling style in order for it to be effective. I learned from another Aikidoka that a Jiu Jitsu fighter had won the UFC and that Aikido and Jiu Jitsu were kissing cousins staring that Aikido would also be effective in self defense situations. Little did he know I had been forced to test the effectiveness of our Aikido on the streets as 1st Kyu. I started training jiu jitsu not long after I saw the first UFC and fell in love with the beauty and body mechanics of the techniques much I like I did with Aikido. Sparring was fun and quickly showed me what true humility was. One cannot know humility in martial arts without getting tapped out by a kid half your size.
That being said I totally get why you sometimes consider cross training in Aikido. I miss the martial traditions, the weapons on the walls, hakamas, honor code and deep sense of moving meditation. I feel like I'm transported to the samurai period. So much mystique and art. Sorry for the long winded comment. Love your videos. Keep it up. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Jose for sharing, yes i do miss Aikido and think if i have more time i would cross like those great masters, but yes you need sparring to humble you and polish your techniques.
@Jose Cortez, If you miss the samurai bushi culture, discipline, hakama and aesthetics of Aikido but desire investing in functional unarmed defense skills that will enhance your Jiujitsu or Judo training I strongly recommend Daito Ryu. Once you feel it, attending a class, with full resistance, you'll become just as obsessed with it as with Jiujitsu. Just as Jiujitsu feels almost like a super power so does Daito Ryu. Dios te bendiga.
@@SoldierDrew I'll look into it. Gracias amigo.
@Kali Southpaw what was the name of the "too deadly for sparring martial art"?
The US needs Tomiki’s Shodokan. Sparring, competitive meets. . .there are only about 9 or 10 dojos in the whole country. It was a shame Tomiki got dissed by Ueshiba’s son, back ‘72, when Tomiki presented his “Sport Aikido” to the world conference. He was an innovator, and got treated like dirt.
Hi Chadi! I have recently discovered your channel, and am flabbergasted by it. Your erudition, humbleness and love for grappling is unique in the online world. Please keep up the amazing work! Thank you, and Bonne courage!
Thank you so much i really appreciate it
Hi Chadi,
Thanks again for the insightful look at Mochizuki Sensei's lifelong contribution to budo. While ressembling Uke Waza, the Technique being demonstrated around the 3:00 min is referred to as Hazu Oshi in Yoseikan terminology. Hazu singifying the little notch on an arrow that catches the bowstring. The image refferring to the wrist pinned under the tori's arm as well as tori's hand riding up under uke's arm. Our version of ude Gaeshi is called Ude Maki (we grab ukes collar while in judo we put a flat hand on the chest). This makes resisting the throw very uncomfortable lol.
The way we let ourselves to fall is an extention of ukemi and serves as a basis for a number of other throws. In Yoseikan or Gyokushin Ryu Aikido, we do in fact have a number of Mae Sutemi as well which either still or no longer exist in the judo syllabus. They are often taught in the series each as an adaptation to reactions by uke to the previous sutemi (like in Nage no kata). Our advanced students also work on a series of combos incorporating either Shime waza or Kansetsu waza. As we can see basics like Kote Gaeshi, Yuki chigae (sankyo) can be adapted to sutemi. As a gross motor skill Sutemi waza becomes really intuivie after a while. Many of these movements can be adapted to ground work/ne waza as well. As for sparring we do so with our judo shiai/newaza and Karate kumite. We also sparr to find aikido erltries like you had described. Our aiki randori , while starting out lightly, has increasing degress of intensity leading to sutemi waza.
Looking forward to the upcoming comparison video,
Keep up the great work! Osu!
The comparison is soon,
Mochizuki sensei was years ahead of his time
In the earliest days of Aikido you had to have s black belt in another martial art before you started.
exactly! as it should be
Well I have a black belt in another art - so I should be good to go!
Howd you know that? Source?
@Kali Southpaw This was just after Ueshiba jumped ship from Daito Ryu. I heard the same information he would only take students who had achieved a high rank in one of the Jujutsu schools or Judo. The reason was because he was just so damn good that people from other schools wanted to join him.
Kali Southpaw Definitely Prewar. I think people also forget how rampant (in a great way) cross training was at that time, anyway. It seems like a fairly western romantic view that a single teacher solely represented one art. Even Ueshiba himself, despite drawing mostly in Daito-Ryu, trained in tons of other schools. The same is true of Kano.
i'm in love with Aikido.
it's so beautiful.
it is
There are Aikido styles with broader techniques and sparrings. In France there is Aikibudo, in Japan there is Yoseikan Budo. In the US there is Combat Aikido of Jason Delucia.
I have been a Judo and Aikido practitioner for many years, I understand perfectly what you are talking about, beautiful your channel, thank you for sharing
Thank you
As a 2nd Dan both in Judo and Aikido I can only agree with you: Aikido, as it is practiced and thought today, makes almost impossible to let you know your true value and level of technique.
This is not only bad for the single person, but also for the entire movement, because it leaves the door open to "fake masters", people that open a dojo and teach without ever being put to some sort of test.
Kudos for your research and open mind: it is rare to find someone able to discuss calmly and most of all bringing facts to the discussion, instead of just opinions :-)
P.S.: IMHO the first sutemi of Shirakawa sensei is Yoko Wakare, since in Uki Waza you block Uke's leg with only one of your legs (in these examples the left one) whilst in Yoko Wakare you put both of your legs in front of Uke's leg (again, in these examples the right one)
Thank you Lorenzo for your brilliant insight
This is a very important and UNIQUE channel. I have never seen another channel which looks at both Judo and AIkido in a relatively non judgmental way. I agree with many of your assertions that Aikido needs some sort of pressure testing. Aikido does have much to offer many people, but the perception out there is that it is not a legitimate martial art (as practiced by many schools today). Your knowledge of both Judo and Aikido is very extensive, and i look forward to watching more of your videos.
Thank you David
Without swinging strikes being mandatory the sparing will degenerate into Wrestling. While if Boxing style strikes are allowed then it will become Kudo. It is in Stick Grappling doing Filipino Martial Arts that I am able to use the "internal martial arts" skill sets. For instance you will never use an age uke or ikkyo undo against Boxing style strikes, but it is what you need to keep from getting struck from a downward strike which is the most common attack with a weapon whether it be a stick, rock, bottle, or knife.
I agree
What fma style do you study?
@Kali Southpaw Go find a school that deals with this seagal is right all along. Come back after ten years. I'm glad you tried fmA technique you mentioned are very helpful. I will never say aikido is useless.
@@markracadio5207 I've been doing it since 1989 started with Inosanto system and Pikiti from a neighbor who was into JKD and Moy Yat lineage of Wing Chun then when I was put into Amato's Goju Karate it has American Modern Arnis as part of their Kobudo program. Then when I trained Taekwondo & Isshin Ryu I learned from the Sayoc and crossed train kickboxing and Kali with Babakan International. Also my neighbor was from Veejitsu Arnis so we use to train and spar. Then learn some cincotirsio and lightning scientific arnis from one of my old girlfriend kinfolk then when I got to highschool most competed in Stick Grappling. Kept up with it in College and met some friends who were part of Francis Fong Academy who teaches Inosanto and another instructor who taught Isshin Ryu and Inosanto system. Then Gracie Combatives and Sayoc from a minder/handler. Also I was in an indoctrination program through school of the Americas where I was reintroduced to Sayoc & Silat and got a chance to host seminars before the founder died then started hosting others such as the Ilustrisimo and Five Ancestors and Giron then when Atienza came through did some training with them. I also got to do some training with Balintaw, but was already familiar because Modern Arnis is based in Balintaw. Now I mostly train with military and law enforcement in the Alabama and Georgia area of the USA. In the law enforcement community out here Inosanto was popular twenty years while the current generation is mostly being taught Balintaw. Prior to all of this though I am from a Maroon Creole community from Bayou Barataria Louisiana, so we had our own tradition of fighting and my grandfather was the first to teach me Calinda, Savate, and Lutte.
@Kali Southpaw @Kali Southpaw I can we have some differences in training. My parlance of Aikido comes from the United States Aikido Federation which is Aikikai affiliated. IKKYO is an straight armbar/lock the main control point is the elbow. IKKYO UNDO is a parry, deflect, and catch technique that is drilled prior to applying IKKYO as an arm lock. The most common attacks I have seen is actually a horizontal swing from the back pocket either to the side of the torso or neck from knife wounds and from bottles, cafeteria trays and other hard items its vertical down or baseball bat style. A vertical upward stab is mostly sneak attack for instance you get someone else to distract the person while you run up to the side and stab them in the belly or from a collar tie or underhook.
I'm glad I subbed this channel is great
Thank you
@@Chadi frist,apologize for my english are not well.
Thanks for sharing, It’s a great channel. Less historical research videos of Judo are on RUclips.
even now no Japanese youtuber doing about of the history of judo/budo.
@@judobudo666 Thank you so much, that means so much to me
I was fortunate enough to practice with Mochizuki sensei at his Yoseikan dojo in the late 90’s in Shizuoka for a few years before his death. Indeed, Judo, Jujitsu and Karate were taught at the same dojo and blended in the teaching. Mochizuki sensei would call out “faster” if he felt students were being too delicate or deliberate during practice. We were expected to give resistance to techniques. He was an amazing man with a welcoming, warm heart.
you are lucky
Hey Chadi, glad to see you’re still doing videos.
I remember when I was reading up on the background of judo a long time ago somewhere that said Jigoro Kano removed all/most of the techniques that were more strength based than technically based, do you happen to have footage of any of these removed techniques?
I have a video called "judo's most dangerous techniques" they are illustrated
My understanding is that Kano removed the techniques that he felt could not be safely practiced randori style. That was his genius because then you could practice techniques against fully resisting opponents without, hopefully, hurting them.
100% agree with you on Aikido. Unless you practiced it, it's hard to realize the value in momentum training it gives you. It's incredibly beneficial to have your partner give you resistance once you've learned a technique. You'll learn quickly where to insert Atemi. O Sensei's book Budo has some great pictures and insight.
Exactly
So timely that you should post this now. I had just posted an Aikido solo training practice (we are still no able to train together due to Covid 19) for Yoko Otoshi a week ago. Great video Chadi.
Thank you Jonathan
Ive always said to sprinkle ina little traditional martial arts, only after you have done alot of hard sparring such as judo, bjj. im getting kinda deep in my bjj journey, and oh boy does it rememind me of some of my ealry hapkido days. funny how life sparring will open up the dorrs to true knowledge.. im telling you the early days of hapkido/ aikido looked more like judo jiu jitsu.. great video thanks for sharing
Thank you Shane
I agree with you. My late sensei agreed with the non-resistance philosophy of aikido but believed you should be able to defend yourself if the time came and be able to have vigorous practice without fear of injury. So we practiced aikido as well as taihojitsu which incorporates many blended judo and aikido techniques. Great video.
Thank you
03:06 looks to me like a stepping in or diagonal lateral drop !
Chadi I love the videos you put together ,keep it up man.
Appreciate it!
My sensei knew Tomiki Kenji and was called back to Japan at one point to learn the version of the updated Goshin Jutsu that Tomiki and his committee developed for Kodokan. (We also had to learn the Ippon Yo Goshin Jutsu and Renkoho, both of which have a number of similar elements in them to Aikido.) As a result of Sensei's trip and relationship with Tomiki, I have a copy of a little book that Tomiki-sensei wrote many years ago called "Judo and Aikido" in which he attempted to show the relationship between the two arts and how Aikido fit into the larger Judo program of instruction. He included discussions of applying randori training methods to Aikido training. This was a popular topic at several points in Judo history. You might want to look for that book. As for Judo finding its way into Aikido and Karate dojo, this is not surprising at all, given that for many, many years, virtually every child in Japan was required to study sport Judo (or occasionally Kendo or Naginata) in the public school system as physical education. This means that almost everybody graduated with at least a shodan in Judo. If they went on to do Aikido or Karate, they tended to incorporated Judo throws, sweeps, and breakfalls in performing their art. Pretty soon, people started saying "oh, yeah, we do throws and sweeps in our art, too". Well, not really. You do throws and sweeps because your sensei has incorporated them from his/her Judo days. Interesting video. Thanks.
Chadi I agree with your narrative. Aikido would and could benefit greatly with cross training with its brother art Judo! Once again thank you, and God bless you and your family.
I love watching Mochizuki Minory sensei, he was one of the best budoka from 20 century. I practice Nihon Tai Jitsu, a Jujutsu style created by one of his students, Rolan Hernaez.
Thank you for sharing
I only went to one class of Aikido 7 years ago for one day but I didn't officially join the Aikido due to not working at the time with no money.
Hi Chadi Love your Channel and you are so right on Change Aikikai has to Change so yes i agree i come from Kokikai Ryu Aikido and can't wait to get back to the MAT And I am a Blue belt I Love it Congradulation!
Thank you for sharing
I feel like everything that was lost is due to live sparring. With live sparring you quickly get rid of ineffective techniques
Correction.With sparring one quickly realizes that 95% of the complex fancy dancy shit you see on the tatamis is worthless.Too many clueless people think kata is what you'll use in a spar or in self defense and that is just not the case at all.
Spar with an katana or knife and you know why these techniques where used.
@@bikall1 I get what you're saying but for any form of hand to hand combat they're ineffective. That's why they're not used in judo
@SaveBlueEyes oh I see, Aikido is too deadly for UFC.
@@mpforeverunlimited I have a black belt in judo and aikibudo. And you are right the use of aikibudo in a grappling match is limited. Just like judo is when the attacker wants to strike you with a knife. Judo is still affective today on the street. Aikido much less as the attacker would wear heavy armor and knives.
Very interested to see judo vs aikido comparison. Great content. Not aikido but the late wally Jay of small circle jiujitsu was able to fictionalized small joint techniques similar to aikido. Wonder how he did that? Seems to be effective.
No doubt
As an aikidoka I 100% agree. I have been practicing for around 9 years now And I love rolling with some of the bjj guys in my town cause you can see the importance of what the arts provide and there similarity.
indeed
Great video Chadi!
Thank you
This is great. Back in my Judo days Uki -Waza was one of my favorite techniques especially against stronger and more powerful opponents.
Indeed
Hey Mark !
How are you ?
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The first techniques demonstrated it Yoko wakare, originally from both Kito Ryu and Sekiguchi Ryu. The second is indeed Ude gaeshi. Kote gaeshi is older than Judo or Aikido and is found in most koryu systems. In some of the old films of Morihei Ueshiba, he uses yoko sutemi as well as a few ma sutemi.
Thank you for pointing it out!
If you get a chance, check out Nishio Sensei's style of Aikido, before starting Aikido, he studied Judo ( 5th Dan under Mifune) and Karate, After starting Aikido, he started studying Iaido and Jodo to understand the movements inside Aikido better.
Nishio is great
@@Chadi I'm very lucky to have met my Sensei, Anthony Tartagulia, who trained both at the Hombu Dojo and with Nishio Sensei, so we mostly practice Nishio Sensei's style of Aikido, but Tony Sensei will often pull out old Hombu techniques to give us something we are not used to and need to overcome.
@@jtilton5 You are fortunate
Great channel! As you point out the founders of "do" were experts in the jutsu that could maim and kill and some of them no doubt had occasion to use them. While the principles are still there in Aikido (atemi, ukemi) the knowledge of what could happen if you don't "do it right" is lost or diluted.
Agreed
Do you know Christoper Hein? His finding on aikido is mind-blowing. It's actually a very effective art on its own field. Aikido go very well in armed based scenario. But if empty hand fighting scenario happen, ideal aikidoka will come out of the fight unscathed with the opponent lost his will to fight. Ideal aikidoka can anticipate opponent's attacks and turn it against them in the form of throw or other technique effortlessly.
il check his work
Chadi, excellent videos. May I ask you to include in video description the data of the film and name of martial artists?
Arigato!
Kyuzo Mifune and Ryuji Shirakawa
Hey Chadi, can you do a video on the supposed friendship between Jigoro Kano and Toshitsugu Takamatsu of Ninjutsu fame. Ninjutsu students are told the two were friends. there's even a story of Takamatsu's best student, Fumio Akimoto, beating Kyuzo Mifune in a judo match and having rank in the Kodokan. Thank you.
I'll do what i can
@@Chadi thanks. i'm skeptical of the story but from the judo side, i'm am really interested to see what if any truth there is.
I agree with your thought and what you said about first training hard in arts like judo before coming to aikido. It reminds me of a saying attributed to the founder of Tai Chi, which is “first to have, then not to have”. I believe you have to train and develop under pressure before you can ever learn how to flow with the pressure of others. Like minds👍🏼. I’m starting to release some videos (under my name) and bride the gap between the BJJ and Aiki communities. I hold Nidan in Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu, brown in Judo, and 4 stripe purple Gracie Jiu-jitsu. Great stuff Chadi 👍🏼
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@@Chadi Me too. Best wishes to you both and I will follow you both. I have some experience doing aikido and other martial arts but have not yet had the privilege of doing bjj, judo or daito ryu. This channel is very informative.
I would agree with you guys that aikido actually has many things to offer but people shouldn't only do that if their main goal is self defense or fighting. Personally I would think it would be necessary to be selective about the teacher for aikido. Also, it would probably be better to just cross train in other things that are not aikido rather than to try to make it into something it's not.
Personally I've received some benefit from doing aikido. It's probably saved me a trip to the hospital or the police station a few times dealing with antisocial people. I think that comes from the approach to dealing with them. I've done some other martial arts with a hit hard hit first mentality and there may be time when that is necessary, but it wouldn't have been appropriate and probably would've gotten me into trouble. Aikido may not be enough on its own to deal with some serious threats, but the overall approach has worked for me. Once I slipped on a slippery ramp with my baby in my arms and luckily was able to take the fall in such a way that the baby didn't get injured. I think that's the best thing I got from the training.
I will follow your channels eagerly.
Have you ever ran across a reference about Professor Kano praising Ueshiba Sensei's aikido?
I do know about it
Hello again Chadi , today's questions is? Do you teach classes yourself as I would happy to a class or seminar hosted by you 👍🇬🇧
That's very nice of you! I got my black belt but not my teaching certificate, I'm only a student
I am not the only one who thinks aikido technique makes more sense in armed Vs unarmed scenarios with a heavier hand held weapon like a metal pipe or baseball bat or large bottle. Aikido based sparring is very feasible if it's based on the goal of weapon disarming or retention. Much of aikido technique is said to be based on the scenario of a samarai having his wrists grabbed to prevent him from drawing his sword. Also there's a lack of strength training in aikido. In other traditional arts there's lots of calisthenics throughout the class. Lots of aikido technique depends on above average grip and forearm strength. I can relate to loving aikido despite the realisation that it is useless for fighting at least by itself in most scenarios.
Buen video!!! El Aikido puro es para amansar al guerrero, es terapeutico y puede ayudarte mucho a nivel emocional etc. Sin embargo como sistema de defensa personal considero que es obsoleto. Quizás Ueshiba si era capaz hace 100 años salir de un escenario violento. Su principal deficiencia es que eliminó el sparring con resistencia. También muchas escuelas de Aikido funcionan como sectas para idolatrar al instructor. Lo más serio que he visto es el trabajo de Bruno Orozco. Mi respetos para aquellos Aikidokas que si le ven utilidad a su entrenamiento, les deseo éxitos
Gracias por tu perspicacia Mario, estoy de acuerdo en que el Aikido solo no es suficiente, pero es bueno para el espíritu
@@Chadi Gracias a tí, tienes oro en tu canal, sigue con ello. La sociedad necesita este tipo de servicio. Éxitos.
@@mariorauldelapena2052 Muchas Gracias
Many thanks for your efforts, it's super interesting and very educational :)
So nice of you
I studied Aikikai Aikido for years, and felt like I was missing something the whole time.
In 2014, work brought me to Osaka, where I ended up at (the very dissed by my Aikikai sensei) Shodokan (Tomiki) Aikido Honbu Dojo. Training there was a revelation. Because Shodokan practices sparring with resistance, and countering, the techniques are tested in a more “realistic” way. This affects the very way techniques are done. Often in Aikikai, because of the way we train, kuzushi was assumed, almost unconsciously.
When practicing Randori (NOT the same as Aikikai’s randori) is practiced, there no assuming. You either avoid the attack and counter, or you don’t. Sparring tests your technique, and it is fun.
During my 2 years at Shodokan, under Shihan Nariyama, I relearned Aikido, and saw it IS a Martial Art. Because there are only a handful of Tomiki dojos in the US, I’ve been unable to continue training. And, I am spoiled. I can not go back to Aikikai.
Tomiki used Kano’s Judi syllabus as the framework for his Aikido syllabus. I think it’s brilliant.
Shodokan is the revolution aikido needs
So can anyone here tell me if the moves being performed by Shihan Shirakawa Ryuji in this video are part of standardized Aikido? Or are they from one of the branches off Aikido like Tomiki's style?
In terms of it being on a curriculum sheet in the dojo, it’s not standardized. At least not in Aikikai and Yoshinkan (maybe it is in Shotokan Aikido, but I don’t move in those circles too much).
Having said that, I’ve been to many seminars where it is taught. There are a lot of techniques in modern Budo that just aren’t in the test requirements.
If you’re insinuating that Shirakawa just took these technique from Judo, it’s hard to say. A lot of the jiujitsu schools that eventually spawned Judo and Daito-Ryu (which then birthed Aikido) have a lot of cross over. So it’s hard to tell where the pulled the stuff. He certainly could have just been hanging out with or watching some Judoka. Or maybe his father (also a high ranking teacher or Aikido) might have just remembered something he learned 40 years ago on a whim.
@@fennec812 Thankyou for your reply. You really seems to know your stuff. It's great to run across people that you can really learn from and discuss things with without running into BJJ people all the time saying how stupid everything else is. Thanks again!
Good stuff Chadi I'm learning a lot. Cheers
Glad to hear it!
I want to say that the kotte gaeshi to sankaku garami technique was cool and it can actually work with other throwing techniques since kotte gaeshi is not from my point of view the best to ensure a throw or the most effective technique for self defence. Atm I try to study all the hand breaking armlocks from standing position and I found some really good or nasty ones from ancient Olympic wrestling and pancration, if you didn't know the arm drag started as a way to break the arm from standing and there were techniques like ude gaeshi ikkyo nikyo rokyo etc. for example ude gaeshi and ippon soe nage belonged to the same ancient technique which was called "στρίψιμο" meaning turning the arm or manipulation of the arm and it was used actually to break the arm at the same time as you throw your opponent down with the difference that in heavier opponents you used all your body , I have seen similar techniques in old ju jitsu but those faded away since with judo implementation techniques were used not to kill but to restrain your opponent with respect. Imagine "άκρο χειρισμός" or manipulation of the arms was even sometimes held as a specific sport or the rules of pancration fights changed so the best at manipulating arms won without the use of other techniques , there was an ancient Olympic champion who won solely by manipulating the arms of his opponents. I will write the name down in a bit.
Σωστρατος ο Συκυιονιος, Sostratos o Sikionios
Man the Greeks were so ahead of their time it's insane, such a strong and intelligent people
@@Chadi I believe that a great deal of Russian and Georgian judo have ancestry over Greek, Roman and Persian wrestling origins passed down through the eastern Roman empire to Russia. It's also good that judo merges with folk wrestling styles of each country making something new.
chadi ur on fire the last few days!
Thank you
it reminds of a similar fellow over here in the U.K. at the begining of 20th Century !. E.W. Barton -Wright was a railway engtineer in Japan in Meji restoration aftermath . He studied under kano and others from jui jtisu and created his own ; Bartitsu !. which recently in the U.S. and Englasnd has been revived over the years . He Uyenshi and Yukio Tani over helping him ! It would be a good video possibly and research this guy Chadi my friend . what do you think ?:)
Bartitsu video is coming soon
I'm glad I found this video. Aikido is an art of very deep roots, and unfortunately that has it the way it is nowadays. There is no black and white here, at least not always, and the grey areas need a lot of analysis. I honestly think Aikido is the victim of dogma and blind faith and that's a teaching flaw. Many teachers instruct it out of his technical and historical context and Aikido is not the only art suffering that. And I'm glad to see someone who dares to be honest about his own art. Martial arts are not just practice, they require deep understanding to really advance.
Thank you so much
I entirely agree with you about the basic Aikido training not preparing for an actual physical confrontation. There's also a psychological factor to take into account. How much an aikidoka, who expects the attack not to be real or at least not to be an actual threat, will be ready to confront real aggression? I trained karate as a teenager, and I had to spar often and prepare for tournaments as well, and I know that sports are not self-defence either. Still, I know that my body and mind have been trained to work under the pressure of a "tournament-preparation" Kumite - which is surely better than just working like in mainstream Aikido, which is flowing Kihon basically. In Aikido, I've trained Iwama, and the good thing about the Iwama tradition is that at least the attack is real and has an intention to harm, not realistic, but if you fail to get out of the line of attack, you'll be hit, and the grabs are firm to the point that you can't almost do the technique. We also used to do a randori with multiple attacks and attackers, but as I started training judo, I realized that randori in judo is a different thing. In Aikido the sokes and shihans should introduce something else, or accept only people who cross-trained with combat martial arts :-) I don't understand why they are not updating their teaching methodology. It makes me sad a bit 'cause in the end, I like Aikido, and I ended up not doing it anymore, and picking up judo which I love too, but because Aikido has a special place in my heart :-) I feel that something is missing!
Exactly! You NEED some resistance to develop the strategy and mind, thank you for sharing your story
Damn dude, it’s super interesting to compare your evolution to Rokas.
Rokas went balls to the walls and went sbg camp what he did was amazing, i just trained judo with some bjj
@@Chadi I started BJJ too, gyms in my area will probably be closed until November. But lots of BJJ gyms have opened up illegally so I went there lol
This video is great!
Totally agree.... I started judo at ten years old. Then life and programs marriage divorce. Then linear Tae kwon do, Then Aikido woke me up. Then Nijustu. Then Iaido.... So the warrior life in full circle of meditation. I miss the training now older living mountains seeing balance in a world so unbalance. I would like to just share that something in that connection of grace. I
Thank you for sharing Chris
Chadi, if you get a chance I highly recommend training Daito Ryu for an indepth increase in biomechanic knowledge which compliments Judo very well. Especially as you get older, as I am, you'll appreciate the biomechanical power of Daito Ryu. It looks fake but when you feel it applied you realize it's surprising power. It's secret is it's aiki displacement of structure to achieve kuzushi w/very little force. Less than required by Judo kuzushi. Just another tool in the tool box.
Thanks for the tip!
Off topic do you have an architectural practice? If I wanted to do a home renovation could you do consultation? Also if I remember correctly you stated you're Lebanese, so I hope all is well.
Thank you for your concern, no i do not have a practice i'm going the academic route and applying for a phd in architecture history
How did youtube recommend me a video mentioning a technique which almost cost me my wrist this week??? 😂
This is amazing.
We couldn't figure out what was its name.
Awesome! Thank you!
2:52 Uki waza? It looks more like an Yoko wakare to me.
debatable both ways
@@Chadi In Uki waza you face your Uke and one leg is on the inside. In Yoko wakare you turn sideways and both legs are on the outside. He clearly does an Yoko wakare.
Nihon Goshin Aikido includes atemi. Descended from kotaro yoshida.
Nice video question for you have you tried this in a real fight?
@Kali Southpaw What a pity you aikido a bad name
Not yet
Do you have any recommendations about Judo books?
tsunetane Oda books, and Kawaishi's books
@@Chadi wow can you please write the title of the books?
My friend, are you familiar with Daito-ryu?
I am, I did a video about it
@@Chadi Which branch of Daito-ryu did you video cover? It looks like Takumakai.
@@brianwagner3204 yeah i chose Takumakai cause in my opinion they did the best job at preserving something that stretches back the 11th century
@@Chadi oh, okay.
Hi Chadi-san! I think that is yoko wakare. 2:43
Great video im a judoka who does mma my judo coach held 3 black belts ranked highly in all and had great control of the body during his aikido techniques. Could you do a video on wristlocks/aikido techniques and ones that could potentially work in mma from afar it sounds stupid to wristlock in mma however I have found it can be really effective in mma as the opposition never sees it coming and trapping the bulky mma glove makes it easier to contourt the wrist even while its in hand wraps
I'll look into it
If you learned Aikido without Atemi waza as a means of self defense good luck pulling any of it off unless your timing and reflexes are not human. You need to read the book “Atemi The Thunder and Lightning of Aikido” the author Walther G. Von Krenner was a Judoka and learned from O’Sensei directly. He discusses in great detail the 3 reasons Atemi exist in Aikido, and why unfortunately it’s been removed by many of your modern schools of the art. This individual was a Judo teacher. I promise you will learn a lot and view Aikido as a much different art when we read this book and see where all the striking was in the illustrations. The art has been watered down over the years depending on who you learned it from. I agree one should learn other martial arts along side it to round out skill sets but the art gets a terrible reputation because of the way it’s now taught. Striking is 💯 necessary for the art to be functional O’Sensei himself knew this and so did all of his original Yudansha. It was their students and students, students that got their own ideas of the direction they felt the art should go and it went from something that was practical to something that had little to no application but Aikido was never ment to be a useless martial art.
The atemi in aikido is too idealistic, no one is doing combos or anything close to what a karateka is doing in traditional aikikai
Chadi many of your highly ranked Shihan even today have Dan ranks in other styles typically some form of Karate, Judo, Iaido, Kenjutsu, GJJ, Jujitsu, Etc therefor what could be typically concluded by this is that they recognized the art for what it is and trainned in other systems to either fill in the holes or to further their own understanding of the art. Hence the reason you see arts like Iaido/Kenjutsu because AikiJujutsu and later Aikido itself comes directly from those arts as well the spear/staff arts (Sojutsu/jojutsu). From what I’ve been told by very credible sources was that when OSensei taught he seldom ever said much and when students failed to grasp a concept he would grab the bokken or a jo off the shomen and teach it again using that representation of the sword. Anyway as for myself I also teach and have been studying Pekiti Tirsia Kali for years now which 💯 filled in my own holes and definitely improved my own understanding of Aikido. Of course I did combat sports myself while I served in the US Army which I did enjoy for years so I guess what I am trying to articulate is it’s all relevant and at the end of the day you as the practitioner have to figure out what you can have a higher probability working for you. Not everyone has the same level of athleticism as others or physical attributes, etc. even after 15+ yrs of study there are several techniques in Aikido I’d never in a million years ever use in a real situation but Ikkyo/Nikkyo/Sankkyo, Shiho Nage, ude garami, hiji shime, and several other I have made work against uncooperative people and it typically badly hurts them because they all struggle and cry and try to violently yank their limb out. It’s all able to be done with surprise, Atemi and violence of action as well as understanding on how to transition from one lock to the next when it is time and how to quickly take their balance and take them down. Aikido works in real world situations depending on the person but it looks like Jujitsu in execution and it’s messy nothing like the dojo but it’s not an effective form for combat sports it’s just not the right environment for it be useful and the whole idea of it having to be pulled off against some kind of highly trainned UFC fighter is a fallacy argument created by people like Joe Rogan because of his love for GJJ (which I do love GJJ as well). In all the confrontations I’ve ever seen or physically been involved in myself none of them have ever even looked anything like a UFC fight. If you run into someone that highly skilled you should play the lottery because you have the best/worst luck in the world. These people that are so awesome they can whoop anyone’s ass aren’t the ones assaulting people and causing mayhem. Undisciplined minds like that aren’t likely to have learned anything long enough to be using it for evil purposes. I will agree that if you want to make Aikido have a higher probability of working for you then it needs to be learned along side other systems that are more direct and to the point and/or fill in the gaps. Live resistance/sparing is important too because most people have never felt live energy those that have aren’t freaking out about that topic because we know it’s too be expected and probably the most over looked aspect is to back up your skills with physical conditioning and lifting weights so you are stable and in shape enough to handle yourself. If you’re weak as fuck or can’t run a mile to save your life you won’t be able to do anything under stress because your body will freeze on you. This is one reason combat sports do rock because they force you to get into shape because of the resistance same things with boxing and even karate you toughen the body and therefor condition the mind for physical stress. This is probably why I do not view Aikido so negatively. I see it for what it is and take out of it what is useful for me with my background the rest is just for over all knowledge of the art.
First technique is Yoko Wakare in my opinion.
I was going to comment the same and believe you are correct. Uki Waza only one of Tori's leg blocking.
Good job as usual
I appreciate that
Thank you for introducing me to Mochizuki Shihan.
Thank you for watching
You can defend yourself with only Aikido. Sparr
in real time and full contact is the 🔑 and add ATemi.
Most aikido schools no longer practice atemi waza or striking. Consider O’Sensei taught 80% of technique is atemi they are not practising the complete art. In my school we went to the point of uke wearing gloves and head guards and building full speed attacks including use of atemi. It does restrict application of certain wrist locks and pins but it’s certainly worth while!
We should practice it all
@@Chadi absolutely!
Good video man
Appreciate it
As a long time Aikidoka, I do not believe traditional sparring would be much benefit. Instead I recommend, and on the rare occaisions I teach these days, a free form exercise where uke has a goal other then "beating" nage. One thing I would do after teaching a class with a lot of tenkan movements is have nage stand in front of a line on the floor and then task uke with pushing nage over the line. Nage is free to use any technique, but ura forms will naturally be most common against a push. Uke uses whatever force or maneuvering to accomplish the goal of pushing nage.
Similar exercises can be devised for whatever techniques are presented in class that session. From putting boxing gloves onto uke and having him use more realistic and harder attacks to having nage tasked with getting to a safe zone (a circle on the floor or through a doorway made of soft mats) while uke tries to stop him.
It looks too much like a sacrifice throw without any real contact with the foot to take them over the top.
To actually pull that off....
It is used in combat all the time
100% agree
Well done :) I will be sharing with you a transcript I had with a UFC fighter via email as he requested not to share the video.
Awesome, thank you! you're amazing Rashid
Not all martial arts are intended to kill or disable/maim. Japanese jutte is a controlling weapon so police or bodyguards can subdue without killing or to simply guide a dignitary through a crowd without killing/maiming his admirers who may be crowding around. All arts were designed for a specific reason in a specific environment and culture. Why samurai can deploy a sword from a kneeling position. They were forced to kneel in the presence of a noble so they developed a way around that limitation. Why nobody wants to go to the ground when the ground is concrete.
100% Chadi. There are a few of us that are developing our Aikido into a martially viable art. Keep an eye out on Facebook for ‘Aikido the martial side’ + ‘Aiki Budo Kenkyukai’ and ‘Tenshin Aikido through the Rogue Warriors’. Also check out what Rionne Fujiwara is up to ✌️
Thank you will do
Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel aikido was supposed to be effective. Philosophy and spirituality should never over shadow the martial application because it's just as important, the aikikai should be ashamed of themselves for that comment given the rich martial history of aikido, Tomiki should of responded saying they should not be calling themselves martial artist.
The true intentions of the art seems to be watered down quite a bit, how can you protect the peace if you can't protect your sanctuary?
I agree 100%
Very interesing
Thank you
if you want to see and discover more yoko sutemi you must watch the Yoseikan budo of Hiroo MOCHIZUKI , son of Minoru , in France !
Thank you for this
@@Chadi I shared your videos on facebook french teacher of Judo, and Yoseikan budo like them !
I know this sounds mean but if you're interested in aikido you should do the tomiki style if you have a choice. I've seen a video of a traditional aikido guy sparring with his classmates and it looked really bad. He just made so many mistakes it wasn't funny.
in France there isn't any unfortunately, i tried to look
@@Chadi
that's too bad. I wish the Tomiki style was more spread out like Aikikai and the others.
I don't know why but, the moves look better when a judoka does it
Mifune is the G.O.A.T
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His name富木謙治
indeed
I really think that a lot of the negative comments about Aikido need to be leveled at the Aikikai. It's getting really tiresome. Maybe Aikikai practitioners would say that I was learning Aiki-Jujutsu. If you start with ek-itai and ki-tai it's like picking up a saxophone, making an awful noise and claiming to have mastered avant guard jazz. In reality you have nothing. The techniques should be learned against a resisting opponent in ko-tai and the omote variations are half the game, where are they?!
Boxing does not have anything to do with Japanese Martial Arts your not going to use kumite In situations only Randori
Unfortunately, the word 'absurd' doesn't help. Different philosophies of the nature of the martial arts, their purpose, and the human potential. You seem caught in the competitive ideology, which fits with evolutionary biology (humans as animals) and laissez faire capitalism (we're all profit maximizers interested only in private gain via competition (again, of the 'fittest' where the 'fittest' here means some sort of evolutionary advantage...which is of course, a circular argument...the very definition of 'absurd'). That's a 2 or 3-dimensional view. Aikido holds a different promise of human nature as having higher dimensionality. Human beings are not merely animals. Thus, we possess higher levels of being, higher goals, the desire to change, etc. A martial art by design to incorporate this higher human potential is obviously going to contain lower dimensional elements. A cube contains multiple planes, lines, points, for example, but you wouldn't call those things 'a cube'.
When i think of Aikido I think of Steven Seagal (whom I hate personally). Obviously, he is a pathological narcissist and nothing that comes out of his mouth can be trusted. However, the martial art is based on the Aiki principle. There is also another style Aiki-Jiu Jitsu, this is a hybrid of Aikido and Jiu jitsu. I don't know whether Aikido would be effective for self defense. I have heard it is the hardest martial art to master. And some people have suggested that it is not effective. However, I have seen demonstrations that were very impressive. It is hard to argue with minimum effort and maximum gain.
Aiki jujitsu or aiki-jutsu is the parent art of aikido I think
@@hiranom20 Daito Ryu Aiki Jiu Jitsu. Sokaku Takeda was Morihei Ueshiba's teacher. Whoever created Hapkido also trained under Takeda I believe. Interesting stuff.
isn't it the same as daito ryu aikijutsu??? the mother art???
I think your right. I have never understood it.
As a student of the Mochizuki Aikido style we still carry on with the study and practice of sutemi waza. There are hundreds of them. As for the effectiveness of Aikido as self-defense it depends on one's own development within the art, his mindset, and circumstances. I don't know if all the various flavors of Aikido use randori (sparring) but we and many other styles do and promote it's necessity in order to become proficient. How effective one becomes may vary with how much they put their heart and soul into their training and where they start from. Cross training with other arts is not wrong but every individual is unique and must live through his or her own personal evolution.