Using An Expandable Baton For Self Defense
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- Опубликовано: 26 фев 2023
- Expandable Batons are not the best self-defense weapons but they are commonly seen used by police and law enforcement and they are also very easy and cheap to buy on Amazon. In this situation, Erik felt like his life was in danger so he chose to deploy a Baton. Kevin Goat talks about using an expandible baton and how he uses his Filipino martial arts with it.
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1. Collarbone 2. hands & wrist. 3. feet/toes 4. shins. If them strike zones don’t stop the threat, you gotta bigger problems then you thought. RUN RUN RUN away 🏃♂️💨
If they arent down after those zones, its PCP,...run!
That's good pictorial of shit and get
I think if it doesn't work like you explained? The enemy is on some serious drugs!! Cheers from Australia ❤
@@dragan3290 yes that’s why you gotta RUN RUN RUN away. ⚡️⚡️⚡️
@pstarxxx78 true. I'm 50 with back injuries, l4, l5,S1, t2? ( above sternum) torn bicep, front deltoid, side deltoid, supraspinatus. Hips are bad! I can hobble away! Lol.
A very deadly weapon in the right hands. I enjoyed the video. I liked the emphasis you put on don't pull a weapon unless you are fully prepared to use it.
This was very helpful not just for self defense, but for writing! Now I know how to use my friend's baton, and I know how to write a cool scene on where a strike would be if dealt by someone with enough experience to use a baton. Loved the "be damn sure you know how to use it" part. 10/10!
Thank you for sharing. I'm a 64yo trucker with almost no time to train. I'll go look for the training on the site as suggested. I've used a baton for self defense before because I felt my life was in jeopardy.
Thank you for adding your comments about retaining your weapon! I hear so many people talk about how great they are offensively but, like you said, what happens if they take it away from you? Not to mention, in a life or death situation, you could be wet, sweaty, bloody, etc, and simply holding onto your weapon can become a challenge. Add in the unknown skills, or luck, of the person you are fighting. Retention is every bit as important as the offensive techniques. Just my humble opinion.
If you have the time tape it to your hand....
Put a lanyard on it that helps retention.
Don't hit em in the temple unless you wanna send em to the next Bardo
Definitely a possibility
I got hit in the elbow with a stick once…that was enough
This. Those things are heavier than they look, you are planning to neutralize the aggressor, not kill them.
As an often unarmed S/G, I always carry a 6 cell Mag-Lite as a back up. If someone ever gets my ASP off me, they have to contend with the flashlight butt striking them in the gut or chest area, the flashlight also has an after market side handle attached.
I started training in FMA a little over a year ago when I witnessed a 5 on 1 assault in downtown of my city. I train one of those styles that uses a lot of largo mano because my school is more about training the art and teaching the history of it and why we use the mechanics that we do. It's more of a "battlefield" mentality that we train with and consider the other "soldier" is armed with a bolo just like what you have. We don't necessarily train these self defense, street fighting type of applications that you show here, but there are still applications for it. The largo range you showed can be effective when paired with the footwork training that we do. This way, we stay at a distance, move around A LOT to avoid them grabbing your stick/baton to use it against you. We have some people there who have tried balintawak and like what we do better, and then I hear people who train closer range styles and like that better. The "right or wrong" idea is completely subjective to the situation you can find yourself in. This is why I started training a lesser known style of Arnis a few months ago which is more close range and more empty hand emphasis. It strongly think it's good to know both, but if I deploy my baton (because I do carry one occassionally), I will be using my footwork and staying at long range, because I am envisioning that 5 on 1 attack I saw and always want to be prepared for multiple attackers. If they get too close, then I will switch to my close range training. Then if they do take it from me and start using it, I know my close range training to be able to disarm them and retake my weapon. Gotta know both, just my opinion.
I suggest you read "meditations on violence" Excelent book on the topic. I only have little expirience of mma training(1 year). But I think there is no way of fighting 5 able bodied males who arent drunk or otherwise intoxicated. You really have to be an expert in looking dangerous and making people scared to fight more then one person.
Obviously I am not talking about more serious weapons like guns or swords or even pepper based weapons. These obviously enable you to fight multiple oponents.
And on a side note, I dont mean that there is absolutly no way to win a fight against multiple atackers, its just that your chances are so slim that preparing for such a sitation is a waste of time.
You have thought out the potential real-world scenarios and come up with options, for which u are training. Respect.
Great video, sir. Thank you.
Great tips, will definitely consider using those in training techniques with my baton.
Amazing tools thanks again
Great video!! Thanks for that!!
The use of force!! Gotta love it!!
At the end of the day, it's all about getting home safe, you gotta do what you gotta do.
That being said, you pull a button out, and the guy pulls a gun... guess what, you messed up.
Minus the gun, you have to account for your actions in court after the fact...
But the famous reply is " I'd rather be Judged by 12 than carried by 6""
Don't forget.., the butt/pommel of the handle to the bridge of the nose works too. It's quick, subtle and very effective because opponent instinctively expects strikes to come from shaft only. Not the handle.
Great seeing you all at the gathering. Appreciate you all immensely.
I used to carry one when I was a bike messenger in Seattle 30 years ago. I had to put it out a couple of times, and that was as far as the aggression went. the instigators backed down
As an alternative a cane or a walking stick or hiking pole are all legal and can be carried anywhere with no repercussions
My favourite because I have a limp.
Good information.
Here in Australia the use of a baton a strike to the knee is definitely a go to strike area for police. Anywhere on the limbs is fair game, a good strike to the patella usually ends the threat quick.
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Thank you, very helpful. I work from home and have a 40 percent hearing loss. When my dog starts barking, I grab my baton. Now I know how best to use it. I wish there were more self defense techniques for hearing impaired/disabled people...just a thought, as we are usually targets...thanks again..
This is exactly why I started looking online today. I fought full KO kickboxing for yrs when younger. I am 63 and disabled losing the use of walking steady, developing neuropathy in rt foot and need double knee replacements. I'm a mess and been stabbed recently due to not being able to fully defend myself, strangely enough I carry concealed gun but didn't want to kill the person so I never pulled it out. Perhaps, shame on me. I'm looking for Baton to purchase and lessons. I TOTALLY AGREE with you my friend, there definitely needs to be more or any kind of self defense for disabled people. We are a target. Most of all I can no longer protect my family or strangers if I see someone being attacked, which I always was able to do. Have a Blessed Day.
Both of you gentlemen need a big dog lol can hear better see better and no one wants to be on the business end of a cane corso lol
@@sherkhead9638 Best idea I've heard from anyone. LOL
Thank you for sharing you made valid points regarding your safety and the possibility of the criminal trying to sue one. As a keyboard warrior I would like to see more techniques for those bound to wheelchairs and unable to stand up. Greatly appreciate your time and work and if possible giving this subject of defending one self and or family member from such a condition. By the way living in california a draconian state it is illegal to carry a baton or night stick. GOD bless you.
great job thanks
If someone is showing hands and approaching that point of violence, you can snap that baton exactly where he’s showing in the video with out having to actually swing it! If you snap it quick on the bone of someone’s arm, regardless of their size, they will rethink messing with you any further! It can humble a man very quickly with minimal legal trouble!
Clothing is also a big consideration when using an ASP. Without solid contact, with solid tissues that’ll be damaged, layers of clothing can inhibit effectiveness. May have to transition to other areas of susceptible tissues….💪🤙
I'd like to see this taught at my gym.
00:50 - 01:01 At last some practical perspective. See the second paragraph.
You will find very few videos that tell you the absolute basics of how to engage when it’s a question of fight or flight. These guys are experts and so they can identify their targets and hit them with precision. This takes years of knowledge and practice but seems so easy on the screen. Almost all strikes are to the head and upper body and therefore also look impressive. These exercises are for the Dojo, not for street emergencies.
Hitting others in the face is definitely not recommended - these days there are always those with phone cameras and that sort of evidence if the police turn up will always go against you initially - although it’s a natural instinct when we give in to our emotions instead of keeping focused on the main aim and that is to injure your opponent correctly so as to then go to the next phase which is flight. Dropping someone to the floor and then going down with them is also a no-no in the street, the most unsuspected individuals could join in and speed of execution is your goal.
Now, the most important thing to keep in mind is that someone with an injured leg can’t run. This must be your priority: neutralize the leg. One leg is enough and the advantage is that there are two of them, versus one head, so you can choose whichever side suits you best. When confronted raise the arms as if to offer surrender. This catches the opponent off guard, keeps your head protected and also acts as an upper body stabilizer for the kick. Don’t kick with your toes out in front, much the same as with the hand; fingers and toes break with relative ease, that’s why punching isn’t recommended and open palm strikes are, use the heel instead. A sideways motion catching and displacing the kneecap is ideal. If you miss, you’ll at least have made the leg double sideways and if not breaking something is at least extremely painful; a straight blow to the knee will make the opponent feel sick and if hard enough will have them out of the game for long enough for you to get away. Also, on camera, it doesn’t show you to be either an expert or willing to inflict purposeful injury, rather a clumsy, spur of the moment way out. Now start practising at home so your “clumsiness” is highly effective. Like the man said, the more you do it, the better at it you are.
Unfortunately, in some places, it's illegal to carry a baton.😢 But I still have one anyway.
😂😂😅
Find a way to move out of any place like that.
@@Warhawk76Germany, UK, Australia, Japan, New Zealand, Sweden, Netherlands, Indonesia?
At least nobody knows, it's not like you posted it on social media or anything...
Fits damn near every armed martial art ever. Rodanda from FMA, the wrap cut from China, hellish fourth from Eastern Europe, it all fits.
Well Done!
Thank you Sir, great video. in my country its illegal to carry a baton (like some commentors also mentioned), so I apply what Sherlock Holmes said 'you hide a needle not in a haystack, but among other needles': carry a telescopic walking stick, sturdy umbrella, hiking stick or sturdy torch or a small lock on a short chain (for your gate or bike if asked) etc.
Stay safe everyone. 👍😉
I always used this straight from unexpanded by the time you strike it is open and the assailant does not see it coming. don't bounce it but hold the hit on as you strike for a split second for a greater effect.
Nice tip brother avoiding to hurt that perp to counter Sue you💪🏼👌🏻 instead of Him being the "victim"
in uk its an offensive weapon to carry. but i'm in the market for a really sturdy selfi stick if you see something like this with a 1/4 inch mount.....
That’s a great idea if strong enougg
@@Selfdefensegoat the idea was to convert the self defence weapon into a selfie stick..... Then it's a legal carry... Or arguably it may be
@@lezbriddonthat's honestly clever as hell
❤❤❤ superb
I literally broke one of these on someone's shins. It worked though lol
You must have brought a cheap one, ASP Batons are literally unbreakable. S&W makes some that are pretty close in quality. Yeah those brands are an investment (on the low end $60 - $100 ), but they are worth the price.
0:23 the sound effect 😂😂
because i could imagine 😂😂😂
0:22 don't laugh, but such a sad situation happened to me... to my wife, that is. But fortunately, everything ended well, my wife didn't lose any teeth - while opening it, it simply fell out of my hand. Damn carpal tunnel syndrome!!!
you are awesome
just out of curiosity, if one hits some1's elbow or knee with it, it is gonna break like 100% - right?
Okay I'm interested where can I purchase these videos
in my country they use the reasonable force law so if someone is attacking you with a knife you can use resonable force so a weapon to defend yourself
I do agree with some of this video, however, we were taught to hit muscle areas..... As not to do permanent damage. Not sure if learning thru a RUclips video is the best thing when you are in front of a judge explaining why you just permanently crippled someone.
Also, the instructor states to get in close? Huh?
The idea of a Baton is to keep distance. Getting in close lowers the effect of the swing. And a collapsible Baton is NOT a martial arts weapon. It as actually a creation from the old PR24 Police Baton, (The Baton with a handle). Motorcycle cops wanted a smaller baton, hence the PR24 collapsible was designed and ASP created the collapsible Baton without the Handle.
It was an interesting video, but, definitely not an idea I would be teaching to anyone.
Go for the knees first to slow them down then the outside of the arms to break them. Avoid head hits since that could be fatal.
As a Baton Instructor, I agree. I use the GR8 because, it just makes sense to me. I like the Asp. But, they are prohibited tools..The GR8 is not and, it's a tactical baton..The PR-24 is prohibited for all civilians too. A Civilian can get arrested for both..So, I can carry the GR8 for on or off duty. It's legal.
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Wait, so a person can pull a knife and try to rob you and if your baton happens to hit them in the eye and remove it, you could be sued? Or am I mishearing that?
Very good info on self defense. I'm very very all for self defense I have two daughters, and with the way this beautiful world has become they are very much trained in self defense in many ways. I showed them a few kinds of knuckles, full finger and single finger what's your honest opinion about them carrying that type of defense ?
Yes I very much understand the laws and yes they do to about those. I much rather my kids be safe then me having my worst nightmare come to reality.
You should know you're a great dad, to some of us that's just a dream
Dope.
Where to purchase adjustable baton online?
alway's swing low , everybody elbow blocks anything coming towards the head or face , alway's swing for the lower body
I trian Balintawak for 5 yrs. Very close quarter and fast.
Knife vs baton which win in battle ?
Great defensive weapon. Unfortunately, highly illegal to posses/own in my great state of Illinois.
How about a spring baton?
3:03 more hips! More hips! More energy!
I am a licensed security professional and am an instructor level in FMA and also took a class on the ASP baton and have certification by ASP with it.
What you are describing is a self defense, life or death situation. Like a surprise kind of attack.
If someone who was unarmed was just posturing threatening toward you and you smack him in a serious damaging area like the face or on the knee to shatter it on purpose you will get charged with assault and with a deadly weapon. You can only use the similar force they are giving you.
That is why cops and security guards are trained to hit the thigh and side of arm.
Obviously if the guy is holding a knife then you can hit him in the head and maybe even kill them in self defense and you are not committing a crime. But you have to be able to articulate and justify with your words why you did what you did and survive a jury. But if you can articulate why you hit the guy where you did then you should be fine.
But if you just hit the guy's knee you should say you were trying to hit his thigh but he positioned himself to where it hit his knee.
And yeah I agree never pull out a baton unless you plan to use it. Nobody should even see it before you pull it out. But if you live in a state like mine it is illegal to conceal a baton so you must open carry it. Really dumb laws in Oregon. But do not pull it out unless you need to use it at that moment or it is very dark and some threatening guy in the distance is walking up to you. Do not extend it but hold it in your hand and do not display it until the attack.
Kali/Arnis/Eskrima works really good with the baton and you can even jab with it and do tons of cool stuff. I think the ASP baton is a very good self defense weapon and just something to keep around.
I think that Hard 2 Hurt guy is an idiot.
Imagine a world where you can be sued by the person who attacked you. Oh wait...that's America SMH
Well I think that may be why some say leave no witness
expandable baton saves my life..from a man armed wth a knife that attacked me....best tool I have for self defense...can carry it anywhere... 4:30 .
No concerns of legal repercussion of using a purpose built weapon for defense in Canada?
Don't wait around to answer questions.😁
where can I buy a self defense baton like that one in the video?
Police supply houses like Galls.
Okay the " dont pull it out if you're not trained coz they might use it against you " got me hesitant to buy it😅
What is the name of the martial art you mentioned several times? couldn't understand anything
Balintawak
It's a Filipino thang. ;)
I just brought a baton to protect my home and family from break in or burglary thank you for showing me how to use this weapon properly
why would you buy a baton for break-ins? literally the only advantage of the expandable baton is that it can be carried around. better get a machete or a gun to defend your home
edit: and a super bright flashlight
You are better off using a gun to protect your home.
@@Kit-kk9cbAre you insane lil bro? 😂😂😂 How are you gonna use a MACHETE for defence? Any strike with that can be lethal and the law rightfully is not gonna protect you for that. The baton is much safer and practical.
@@1997lordofdoom you use it by hacking and stabbing. in a home defense situation the law will protect you if you hurt/kill someone in self defense
edit: also, if you think that a baton like the one shown in the video will keep someone from hurting or killing you, especially with a knife, then you have probably never held the thing in hand. those batons are thin metal sticks with barely any weight to them and a tiny tip which in some countries is even just made of plastic. the only thing you can realistically do with them is maybe hit somebody's knife out of their hand. that's it. the hit to the knee/thigh he shows in the video will barely do any damage, even if it's well-executed. on adrenaline you don't really notice the pain. plus if you go in close enough to properly hit the knee you will expose your throat, which is not a great idea if the attacker has a knife
Pain in the utter ass to put away but that's just my opinion when I checked a friend's out. Other than in Cali, you're good though. Glad to see somebody explaining it, because even my friend thought it was his be all, end all. Not thinking about how to tactically use the tool and not let it become used against em if he just swung the thing around like a madman.
You have to oil the shaft or else it will stick after expanding. ASP and Smith and Wesson sells it.
I have to hit the ground hard to make mine collapse!
@@hobowithawaterpistol9070 Rather than slamming it down hard, tap it a couple of times to break the friction lock. You should hear it rattle; then close it. It makes it a lot easier. 😎
What’s the best Brands to purchase when it comes to batons ?
B&T Triton.
honestly with a thick jacket like that a baton, being a thin metal stick, won't do much unless you hit the head, which you kinda don't want to do.
The knees, hit his knees. And the hands, one hard strike to the hands will probably end most fights because you basically will break something here
I might have missed it but where can a get one of these batons?
Asp or cold steel
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Asp
Just got mine from Cold Steel today and this thing is awesome. I think it is much better than ASP and I have used and carried ASP batons for years. ASP are good too, but the Cild Steel just feels better built.
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Thank you
@@JohnDoe-zg6fn Nothing is better than an ASP... change my mind 😂 But seriously Cold Steel is a good brand, S&W as well.
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If someone comes at you swinging fists while you have a baton in your hand then they are truly out of their mind and probably can't fight.
Or not
Just realized these guys are like 2 hours away from me.
One should be very sure of the law regarding collapsible batons. For example, on the US East Coast, they seem to be illegal for self-defense entirely or outside of one's home, in NY, NJ and PA.
Seems everything is illegal in NY .
Illinois too.
Wait a minute so i have to be considerate for the criminal that's potentially trying to harm or kill.
Im bloody confused.
Aint nobody gonna sue me for self defense 😂
I go along with the instructions that came with my baton. Soft spots. You really don’t want to seriously injure anyone. Soft spots are very painful…and dissuasive. Check you state law for legality.
The audio volume fluctuates too much to hear clearly.
"I'm worried about getting homerun"
Where's a good place to get a baton?
what size will be the best to use sir? 23inches?
My wife said 3 is perfect.
My theory is this wepon is illegal in most places because it's simple to swing at the head and kill people. I think many of us under pressure might just swing for the fences and merk the attacker and it's weird to say but I think you could kill faster with an ASP than a knife. I know I said a lot there but understand I do carry wepons for self defense and that one has always been a hot topic because of the legality surrounding headshots.
As with any weapon, practical training is key. Yes striking the head raises the chances of killing the individual, but you could easily do that with any striking weapon including a good solid stick. I've always carried an ASP, and received training in it from my security training trade training while attending Job Corps and from working security and corrections. A collapsible baton in the hands of an untrained defender is a liability for the defender. Which is why this video is a gem in giving some of the basics I and other experienced baton carriers will recognize and affirm.
@@WritingEliteGaming I respect that 💯
Yeah. That's weird to say
I've seen enough videos where Police Officers use these and it's almost a comedy show in the way they use them. Good point, "what if it's taken away", and to that I say, you also must train self-defense against these weapons, and take aways or how to retrieve them if they are yours'.
Bottom line, I'm not chasing a tool when I can attack the actual weapon which is the attacker.
I would also like to see videos on how these batons are used for joint locks and body control.
P.S., I live in NY, so anything that you would like to carry for self-defense is illegal.
get a good flashlight. no one can fight with 500 lumens in their face
@@Kit-kk9cb It will definitely give you a three or four second jump on the attacker, but don't run, men, not all, count out run a woman.
Use those seconds to beat the crap out of him with the light.
@Kit-kk9cb maybe none of your buddies can. I worked in several prisons. I can guarantee you- most people can fight with unlimited light in their face.
@@Pbadome1it will be ineffective.
@@beavisroadhog9629 oh sure tough guy. probably you worked in chinese prisons where they lock in kung fu masters who always fight with a blindfold on
That's cool, but what about a self-defense axe?
Too heavy and it's basically a blungeoning weapon. Easy to be disarmed and even easier to injure yourself
A self-defense axe? Ummmm, what is that?
@@JohnDoe-zg6fn A bottle of axe you spray in their face.
@Dead Hand OK, yeah, sure bruh. If that is all you have go for it. I wouldn't recommend it, but something is better than nothing. If you spray me in my face all you are going to do is piss me off and won't do anything to stop me but maybe for a weaker human it MIGHT work.
@@JohnDoe-zg6fn That's why I carry a lighter :)
Its unlawful to carry/own any such weapon here in the uk 🇬🇧, but that hasnt stopped many people from doing so......
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Even this is illegal in NJ.
I'm not worried about it myself.
Its an EXTENDABLE baton. When deployed, it gets longer. Theres only on thing I can think of that gets longer and bigger around when deployed.
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It's so fucked that in Australia if you got caught with one without a license you'd catch a case. I think it's the best non projectile weapon.
Same here in USA. Definitely in California. We are only allowed to carry sustainably sourced reusable chopsticks to defend ourselves.
@@HoratioWalls In Ireland it's straight up prohibited/illegal to carry a baton, or any other kind of self defense tool such as a taser, pepperspray, or mace.
I’ve taken the PPCT certification course…places you are supposed to hit: Common Peroneal nerve, Femoral nerve, Radial nerve, Ulnar nerve.
Places you are NOT supposed to hit: Head, collarbone, elbow, wrist, knee, etc.
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You hit whatever target you have
In Kali, all of those are fair game...
Illegal in a lot of countries unless you’re in law enforcement.
Watch until the end.
Don't forget the pommel. Learn how to use every single part of your weapon. That being said, I prefer to use a baton as extra leverage instead of striking.
The knee gives you time to take the next 19 shots.
Also als Gegner sollte man es sich 3mal überlegen ob man einen Angriff riskiert.
03:37 May my baton chip and shatter
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I used collapsible batons. I carried a PR-24 for a long time too. They both suck, they’re weak and there’s better. A straight stick made of hard wood.
Hardly works on someone tweaking on PCP
You use weapons in a judgment by 12 or carried by 6 pallbearers situation 😮
I saw a guy get hit in the head with one of those.he almost died.