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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- All the pros and cons of expandable baton selection, training and use from a Law Enforcement and Military trainer with real experience.
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Which baton do you recommend?
I grew up in a "High Risk" community where frequent drive by shootings & assaults occured on an almost daily basis. I'm a student in various combative martial arts including Arnis/Kali before being educated on the drawbacks of castle doctrine in my state, i typically carried a variety of lethal instruments on my person at all times. With that being said, I can attest from my own personal experiences that a well landed strike to a shallow bone target such as the clavical, forearm, or knee caps area's will almost always succeed in either disarming or immobilizing your attacker. Obviously you'll want to adjust your fighting system to work with your instrument & it's weight, it's range & it's mechanism. 👍
Well said. I've always liked the ASP baton but I also am a big fan of Kali sticks from Budo Brothers.
@@smilingscottsman ESP are the most durable
Where does "castle doctrine" come into it ? 🏰
That longer baton from Ireland seems to cater to the Irish tradition of shillelagh fighting, which favors walking cane or hiking stick length and burliness.
All weapons had its strength & weakness. But in the hands of a person who know how to harness these strengths & weakness, thats dangerous. It is not just hitting.
Man, my baton is great. It saved my life three times in 2021. The ASP 26 inch is the best one. PR-24s are too bulky. It’s hard getting out of a patrol car with one.
What happened?
@@kozmo7 I responded to a domestic violence call in 2021. When I told the suspect he was under arrest, he tried to fight me. I pulled out my baton. My co worker tazed him.
I responded to a 5150 call. A crazy dude wouldn’t leave the grocery store I was called to go help. I pulled my baton out and defended myself.
Some fat chick tried to impale me with a chair at another call. She beat her mom up. I pulled out the baton again. She was mad that her mom was kicking her out. My baton saved my life and I don’t plan on getting rid of it.
@@prodigalson1500
Jeez thank you for your service out there, glad you survived that shit. My uncle was a state trooper for over 30 years and the stories he told me were insane people are crazy
@@prodigalson1500thanks for your service my mom is a retired police captain
EKA Camlock 26 and Nexbaton 26 are better.
Much needed video sir🔥
A BIA corrections officer myself we are train to use the baton and NOT the straight sticks, I wish we got the choice to use either or.
More good insight, thx for the share FT
Thank you for the beautiful video, but where to buy the German and the four section batons please? Thank you 😊
Problem with most non lethal weapons is “soft” people think they are unstoppable, and then get it taken away from them and get their asses kicked.
AND.......?
I'd be interested in your thoughts regarding weight versus maneuverability. A piece of rattan moves a lot faster than an expandable or fixed length baton. And another factor is what is the target? Are you going for a hand that's holding a knife or stick, or are you trying to take the legs out? I was with animal control so I preferred using a piece of bamboo that was split like a shinai but not wrapped at the striking end and I would be going for the legs so as not to seriously injure the nice pit-bull(s). that raises another issue for law enforcement. That dog has a head like a football helmet. I've seen a .308 round go through the scalp, graze the skull, come out the other end and the dog was still running around☠️ so go for the legs.I always appreciated how PD and the sheriffs department (OCSD) backed us up with the agency assist every time. Stay safe out there 💙
I'm certain that you meant .380 or perhaps .38 ACP bouncing off the skull... I can assure you that the .308 (7.62) round would easily penetrate the skull of a rhino (or the equally thick trump supporter) out past 100yds.
I made my own by sawing-down a fiberglass garden stake.
MiracleGrow brand, 1" diameter, I can't remember if was 7' length or 6'.
Cost me $5.00
I capped one with a copper pipe cap ($0.60), but it's not even necessary to add a cap in my opinion.
Nice work. How did you attach the pipe cap?
@@jonathanchark5291 I drilled a hole in the end of the cap and used a fairly thick screw to secure it. I intended to use a smaller gauge screw, but I went with a larger one to cause the end of the stake to widen so it would make the cap more snug.
If you use a screw with a rounded head, you can take a file and remove most of the screw's head when you're done so it looks like a rivet.
I like that 4 section longer one. Good for hanbo technique
More video on such self defence equipment
These people who say that sticks aren't effective in physical altercations, would they let their kids swing sticks at each other; on account of how "ineffective" they are?
Stick = best tool ever. They literally grow on trees! Though, rocks deserve an honorable mention.
If used properly everything can be a weapon
What are the best materials for these batons? Are they steel? I've seen polypropylene ones but do they do proper damage?
What is the brand of the 4 section baton? Great video!
I'd like to know that, too.
Surprised i'm at 6:20 mins in (about ½ way) and he's not mentioned what was the whole point of baton use in law enforcement - that the priority is WHERE u hit and that the 1st priority is the outside of the knee.. . . So even though an extendable baton isn't heavy on the end, it doesn't need to be... (2nd priority would be collar bone... but u want to avoid that in case u miss) - All because you DON'T want to end in a situation where ur repeatedly hitting someone who's ramped up on drugs, alcohol or adrenaline or mentally ill... You don't want to resort to hitting someone in the head, ever... and anywhere other than outside of knee or collar bone isn't as pain-complying....
One thing i actually found with extendable baton is the *psychological effect!...* When they HEAR THAT HEAVY METAL CLICK of it extending, they usually drop their weapon!
There's a video right now on Twitter of shop employees chasing a would be looter out of their store by wailing on him with simple wooden poles about 26" long. It doesn't have to be too complicated.
Currently carry an ASP 21” air weight on my belt. I’ve never had a situation where I’ve had to use it. I must say, the training made me lose faith immediately, mostly because of the politics of how it’s allowed to be used really limit it’s potential effectiveness. I’m interested in that German made one and that huge one from Ireland. I wish there were links in the description.
I'm also interested in those.
Where did you order yours from?
The Bonowi baton is now available in the states at bonowiusa.com/
They are very expensive ($250) and in most countries, not on sale for non professional.
@@youngjayo6881 I actually bought mine directly at a store. But midwayusa is a good site.
Working security I used both the wooden batons with electrical tape wrapped around as a baton stop instead of the thicker rubber ones. Tho I wished I could have gotten the type one cop I new used. It was some sort of thick thread that was weaved to roll up when put into the baton ring. But unroll and lay flat when you take it out . Making it as if you had just the wood with nothing on it. Sadly it was sent to him and he had not idea where that person had gotten it.
Also carried an ASP for awhile. Est thing about it was being compact on my duty belt. Did not like the balance of it. Best thing on it was extending it usually got everyone's attention real quick.
Surprised you did not mention the Rapid Rotation Baton( check youtube for demo about it.), Wished I had know about it back when I was still working security.
I have an RRB and carried it for a year. It's great for close quarters when utilizing the 3 striking heads but lacks weight when used for traditional strikes. I now carry a 28" elecroless nickle Peacekeeper RCB in a 951 holster. It's a beast and people take notice when it comes out. It weighs a bit but there is no doubt as to it's effectiveness.
Hello thanks for this video, where can I buy that batons sir?
hey bro. May I download your videos to watch offline and share with my friends online or offline?
helps when the "crooks" have known dietary conditions before plotting a lure and raid... what is full control of situation?
13:00 before you get any practical advice.
Updates to one of mans oldest weapons! Nice!
"Less lethal" unless used across a skull.
There are more lethal targets than the hard skull. Imagine a strike to the side/back of the neck.
Right, that's why it's refered to as a less lethal tool and not a non-lethal one
I want one of those round police shields.
@ Jared Wihongi
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14:08 Another reason to practice your techniques slowly is to "reverse engineer" the effects of adrenaline. When real threats are present, and dying is an immediate possibility, adrenaline will speed you up beyond your body's built-in safety limits (whether you like it or not). And not just your physical speed; your mind will speed up too. If you do train at full speed, and then find yourself in a real threat situation, you'll probably find that your techniques aren't as effective as you expected them to be; everything will feel "off". How often have you heard it: _"it was like everything moved in slow motion, but I was at normal speed."_ Well, time is a constant. It didn't slow down. You sped up! So train slowly to account for this factor. :)
The Tokyo riot police use a Jo, an oak stick that roughly measures to your solar plexus, based on a martial art called Shindo Muso Ryu Jojutsu. A stick is a stick is a stick is a stick.
What are the names of the German and Irish batons you showed please
He said the german one is called ,Bonowi', may be the producing company.
yeah the police carries those light aluminium battons... you have taken a mace essentially and took away its greatest factor for effectiveness, its weight. Then cannot expect it to be effective.
there are companies that make them in steel, that has great hardness and weight and they are very effective.
Unfortunately I had to use mine a couple of years ago, and literally broke my attacker's forearm in half, its made of steel pretty heavy, i didnt know they made them of aluminum i just couldnt wrap my mind around it not being effective with the experience i had, i imagine aluminum is trash for this
Unfortunately, there's no way of getting these in the UK . Every link is blocked here
EBay lol but they’re, metal but plastic at the bottom. I’ve just got one we need to seen how the uk is going
What is the name of that German company, the baton looks very interesting.
Bonowi.
As I draw my 9mm , I drop my baton
What brand is the 4 sectional baton?
Definitely a cool 'toy' for kendo fans! Depending on the quality, it could be very useful in the right hands.
I was wondering the same thing.
It might be the Nextorch 39" Nex baton.
The volume is terrible. I wish I could hear clearly. Gave up
I use an asp baton, you can use it like a kali stick.
What's the watch he's wearing?
If a person isn’t strong or has little regular
Training, pepper spray is better
I keep a high grade pepper gel in my vehicle near the footwell. It’s attached to Velcro for easy access. These options are meant to de-escalate as oppose to resorting to lethal force.
What’s the long baton called
Who make the baton manufactured in Ireland?…
I knew that was officer Jared! TNP misses you.
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3:33 That is a Dog Brothers FC strike.
...from their caveman training vid on VHS. Good call, that's the 1st thing that came to my mind, too.
Can we stop calling a baton a "less lethal" option? How is a baton a less lethal tool in a cops hands but if I swing it at someone it is "assault with a deadly weapon"? A baton is a hand to hand weapon.
The difference is that cops don't use them to kill people, it's a control and subduement weapon. A civilian using a baton, given that they're not in a situation in which they're expecting to be subduing a riot, is using a baton as a deadly weapon.
@@RustyShackleford556 Tell that to Rodney King.
@@themadscientest You are naive. Intended purpose and actual purpose are two different things, both of which vary greatly between civilian and LE use. As for your example, cops beat the shiiiit out of that guy. BUT, they didn't kill him because they weren't trying to. If they wanted to kill him they would've just caved his damn skull in with those batons, which is what happens when a civilian is using a baton on someone: a deadly assault, not restricted by doctrine or training. Just move to Texas and you can carry (and use) whatever you want :)
@@RustyShackleford556 Yeah right, American cops use batons like they smacking a bear trying to eat them on young women and nonviolent protestors. They act like they get a free pass to torture people while pretending they are morally superior. I've seen a cop continually hit a handcuffed sitting man in the knee until his kneecap exploded into little chunks. It's a deadly weapon and they use it like one.
Not to say a baton is right for you and any given person; However, you can choose how hard to hit a person. A gun is not able to be modulated in how hard it hits. A knife is harder than a baton to use to deter only. The baton is not the problem, the depth of training is. There should be an end to people, especially those who don’t have any training, claiming what weapons I can use. Those freedoms remain even when someone else doesn’t understand my use of it. As far as Rodney King goes: what happened was wrong, but his example shows how they can be used less-than-lethally. Even so, what the cops did was wrong. Just like throwing his name out as if it somehow added to the conversation.
WELL DONE!! A those little telescopes are useless.. Give me a night stick..
Are we allow to carry this to defend your self or is police or military instrument only
Depends on where you live I guess. It's generally legal to carry as self defense weapons tho
What is the name of that baton? 8:49
Bonowi
Is the bro kiwi?
Side handle baton is superior
These Batons were called Bobby sticks back in the day
They were jokingly called "L.A. Gear" .😀
Ja ich würde auch auf den Schild hauen und nicht auf das Knie
I dont like swing it all the way back as this exposes you to a counter
G.J.M.
Oi...👁️👁️
Batons, clubs, canes, etc. are very effective self defense or law enforcement tools!!
I'm here after watching Tyre Nichols murder body-cam videos were released.
So....?😦
Arnold
Wrong! When one thinks about expandable batons the 1st thing to come up is DONNIE YEN. Please get it right people.
It will absolutely break your arm
I like it
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6:15 "We see a lot of bendage" That is an ASP baton, try the Stronger Ukrainian make ESP Baton.
its Czech made
I recommend bonowi it's German made, I believe.
It all boils down to certified training. An officer is trained to use a baton as a less lethal tool and is certified periodically on its use while a civilian might not be unless he/she takes this type of training and is certified on its use. That’s why any type of weapon in the hands of a civilian that potentially can cause death is looked as a deadly weapon since at the time of the incident it cannot be assessed if the civilian is trained or not 🤷🏻♂️. Still regardless of who you are the presence of a baton that is being used by anyone could be assessed as a lethal mean that requires an escalation of force or show of force 🤷🏻♂️
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bullshit ridiculous baton holds 😂
Wasnt gonna buy one anyways...useless to me
They are good for fending off dogs and stopping dog fights without killing a dog. 🐕🦺
Talk Toooo Muuuch ....
>weak officers, female officers
why even have them though?
because intelligence matters more than anything else...
@@FunkerTactical For sure, but you can only get so smart when still being weak and insecure, always demanding backup or using lethal force prematurely. Female cops, manlet cops = disgrace.
@@Sannidor you're not wrong I've seen the same thing in corrections with a 120 pound dude getting knocked into another planet by a 200 pound muscular felon. If they can't display any aptitude when it comes to hand to hand they shouldn't be working they're a liability to themselves and others. It was the inmates that ended up having to save the dude. They really need to up the standards.
@@Sannidor
I’ll take my competent female officers over my boneheaded gym rats every day.
Use of force accounts for less than 1.8% of what we do. Of the entirety of those uses of force, how much you can bench press only needs to comes into play in a few select cases.
More often than not I have to account for overly zealous meat heads bull-rushing into a situation and using excessive force when they could have easily deescalated with verbal skills. Seems these same officers are the same ones that can’t hit the broadside of a barn with their projectile weapons either.
My best tracker and sharpshooter is a female officer, and absent knowing what you look like, I’d be willing to bet good money she’d submit you in less than 60 seconds.
Have you seen a woman fight on mma? physically weak doesnt necesarily means vulnerable. Cops are taught some self maneuvers that dont rely purely on your raw strenght, and those are pretty efective. Plus with other non lethal weapons, like tasers and the like, its good enough. Better to have 1000 thousands normal cops in a city than 500 hyper muscular and strong ones.
This guy is a joke!!
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they sound smart but the Anglo really isnt
Ever heard of pistols ?
And yet we civilians cannot own such “ Less than lethal “ tools to defend ourselves, as an option to firearms….especially in DummyCrap run state. 🤨🤷♂️