..not quite, pointless, but similar to softclose doors on BMW (and other makes) doors - virtually pointless and something else that will eventually break, probably in a very unhelpful way
I wouldn't say it's pointless. I use mine often when riding. It's better than constantly having to unlock/lock with the physical key. I just hit the button and the fob and done. No different than a car door lock.
@@SlvrBckBlck Agree, and it's very convenient riding 2 up, I have that on my RT as well - which watching this vid, makes me more certain it is the better bike hehehe
I’ve owned five Goldwings since 2013 and loved all of them. The last was a 2020 DCT Tour. I’ve always lusted after the K1600GT. I never have a pillion as the wife doesn’t ride with me. I was diagnosed with cancer in June of this year and had sold my 2020 Wing and bought a sports car but it seemed my son drove the car more than I did so I sold the car. Just as I was starting my chemotherapy my wife told me to go buy a bike as she knows its my passion and stress reliever. So off I went to satisfy my curiosity and bought a brand new 2022 BMW K1600GT. Both bikes have their virtues. I loved my Goldwings and I truly love the handling and power of the GT. My belief is you can’t go wrong with either bike if you’re wanting a big touring scoot. I don’t find the BMW that hard to move around but I’m also 6’1” and 250lbs so its not an issue moving either bike. I do like the fact that the panniers are removable on the K bike as it makes winter storage much easier for me in the garage. If I had to buy another bike today I don’t honestly know which one I would choose. I do know I’m very happy with the K bike and have always loved my Wings. So there you go. I’m no help at all if you’re in the market. On a positive note my recent CT scan indicated I am currently cancer free. Many more regular tests required in the coming years buy I’m optimistic I have many years more riding ahead of me.
At 67 years old, I wanted a bike that was more Cruise-Touring and less Sport-Touring, so I bought a 2023 Goldwing Tour DCT in July, I've have bike my entire life and this is the best MC I've purchased. I love the low CG and DCT.
Same here. I traded in a Yamaha FJR 1300 and got a 24DCT. Never thought I would get one, but now that I have it I’ll never go back! What has made an absolute world of difference though was I bought an F4 Custom Windshield out of Cleveland. I’ve been writing for decades, but this windshield is remarkable. It’s like a different bike
I don't often add comments to youtube vids, but this review is a clinic in how to do a review. I feel you hit so many practical parts of riding/ownership. Also well done on keeping your bias in check towards your own GW. The whole review was as balanced as a GW at highway speed. As someone that is looking to possibly make a move from a touring cruiser to one of these two bikes, this is the most informative review I have seen.
It's a simple enough decision, GW for a more relaxed touring environment and the K16 if you prefer your touring with a sporting bent. Both are incredible bikes to ride, im currently riding a 22 MY K1600GT and absolutely love it.
BMW do not offer a back rest ready seat that adapts the heating option. The BMW seat on my K1600 killed my back. I replaced it with a sargent seat which accommodates the back rest and is plug n play with the OEM connector for seat heating. It still wasn't comfortable. Also the bike is top heavy and I was thrown around a lot in a little wind.
I've both MC, a 2018 Goldwing with DCT with an airbag. A 2020 BMW K1600 GTL with the 719 option. Both bikes are wonderful bikes for different reasons. The K1600 is a beast with that 160hp six cylinder engine, which I added a stage 2 kit. Took it to the dyno and got 168mph and still had more to go. The buffering issue on the Beemer is real, my solution was to remove the top case. Completely different MC with the top case removed, the Beemer is more about sport touring. One item which was not mention in the comments was the shift assist on the K1600, a whole completely different animal than the DCT. I smile every time I get off that K1600. Now as far as touring for long distance you can not beat the Goldwing DCT. The comfortability of that Goldwing is unmatched. Once both seats were changed to Russell Day Long seats. I pulled a Bushtec trailer fully loaded to California with that DCT on touring model. I didn't realize the trailer was behind me, unless I looked in the rear view mirror. I love both bikes, one for sport touring and the other for comfort and touring. The goldwing does have the most mileage, just my point of view.😎
Andy, great video. Love the editing between bikes, made it very watchable and easier to compare. My take for what it’s worth would be if you’ve come from a sports bike background or performance is all important the K1600 has performance and handling that no other large touring bike can live with, however the Goldwing is the more refined and luxurious bike with the lower centre of gravity, heated pillion backrest, damped pannier opening etc.
Thanks for a good comparison. A point you didn't touch on is dealer experience. As a lifelong Honda guy I was shocked when I took my GS in for service. The service intervals are shorter and exponentially more expensive, e.g., $135 oil change on my Honda vs. $400 (not a typo) at the BMW dealer. (I spent $60 on parts and did it myself.) I bought the BMW only because in '18 the Africa Twin didn't have cruise control. I like the GS but probably won't buy another BMW.
Heard that on another video as well. On the GW it is relatively simple to do own maintenance. The K1600 needs to go into the dealership for computer read outs... Don't know, can someone / owner confirm that ??
I had oil change, brake flush and drive shaft lubed. $900.00. BMW are expensive to maintain. The next service interval was going to cost $3000. Oh, BMW will supply a service manual after 2017. And the 2017 manual was garbage.
I had the choice of either bike a while ago and test drove both and was very impressed by the wing just on its touring capabilities alone the BM was just as comfortable but I thought a lot more sporty in the end I ended up with ……BMW1200RT which for solo touring ticked all the boxes and saved me a few thousand 💷💷. Excellent review love the comparison with the editing
2:55 BMW still has issue with pulling to left. All gtl e has central locking all panniers and top box as standard. And I can easily put two full size helmets on top box with some light jacket. What I don’t like in top box is not stable/firm connection to frame. My wife complain that is move on each bump. On my old Yamaha xv1900 top box was stable like rock. And yes all the plastic bits on BMW look like and feel like cheap crap. But it got power and is ok for trips to Croatia from Scotland.
Not only does the central locking work on my top box and panniers but I also have a courtesy light in the top box. As mine is a 2015 I really don't think they would have deleted that feature. Also on the K1600 you can demount the top box and panniers very easily and have a very large semi-sports bike to really annoy the Sunday Sports Bike Bois....
Love this review and comparison. Ive ridden super sports my entire life save for a few naked sports. But now my wife and I want to do cross country tours and my S1000RR just is not going to cut it. Im a little partial to BMW, but after a few reviews and the fact I grew up around Goldwings. Ive put a deposit on a 24 DCT. We're very excited to get this bike and seeing more states rather than just local city riding. Thanks for a well rounded review.
Hi Andy, was a really good comparison video the way you strung it together was very professional. I love both of these bikes, and I think fundamentally you are right the wing is a classier, and better built bike. But I think the choice may be an age thing, I could see younger riders opting for the more lively K1600. Thank you.
Great video as always. Doubt those roads are natural territory for these bikes, but they certainly test their agility (and yours). As I get older, I feel inclined to go for smaller, lighter bikes. And, as my wife won't get on a bike anymore, I only need 1/10th of the luggage capacity (win win).
Thanks for another nice review. I have owned both and know first-hand what works best for me......Sitting in my garage is the second Gold Wing I have owned. It is a 2024 Gonda Gold Wing Tour DCT in Pearl White with Black and Red accents. (Just delivered last week). My first was a 2018 Honda Gold Wing Tour DCT in Pearl White. Here are the features that make the Honda Gold Wing a win. 1. DCT Transmission. Amazing technology that even the current Chevrolet Corvette now utilizes! 2.The combined braking system is excellent. 3. Overall controls for managing a ride. This includes the switchgear and radio. 4. The flat six engine is amazing and helps keep the CG low. While the Oil change is a little more detailed with the DCT, I take my time and enjoy the process. 5. Warranty-like the BMW, not many manufacturers provide 3 years as standard. 6. Confidence-I feel great riding this bike...and my wife really enjoys riding with me. Thank you, again. (Mark-from Plymouth, WI)
Thank you for this, the switch from one bike to the other with an instant comparison was amazing, made for an easier and tidier comparison - all round great video 🙏🏻
Fantastic review and I fully agree with the K1600 handling comments around the 8:30 mark. I just did a BMW demo day over here in South Florida where I went directly from an S1000RR to a K1600GTL. Quite the contrast! Dare I say the S1000RR actually felt a bit less skittish. I know that's probably going to attract a lot of scoffs of disbelief, but on a windy day, the top case on the big bike combined with the very nimble steering had the bike feeling positively squirrelly. BMW have tuned the hell out of the steering and geometry on the K1600 bikes to make them feel incredibly sporty in spite of their size, but as a consequence they can feel a bit nervous for such a hulking monster of a motorcycle. Ultimately, I came away from the K1600 (I rode both the GTL and the B) incredibly impressed and actually wanting one. I went to the even interested in the S1000R to compliment my R1250GS, but I left dreaming about the K16000 bikes. That engine and transmission combo might be the pinnacle of performance touring. I'm afraid we will never see another like it as the sun sets on the ICE.
One of the biggest maintenance costs on a GW is replacing the air filter. Depending on where you go, it is 700$ to 900$. Was going to do it myself but it is an 8 hour project with hand tools. Got rid of HD and GW because of exhorbitent costs of ownership. Looked into BMW. The R18 for me is more practical. Wait till you have to pay for valve adjustments on the K1600. Love the way both the GW and K1600 handle. Maintenance costs are prohibitive for most people. Just show the invoices to your wife!
There are plenty of You Tube videos showing how to do maintenance on the Goldwing (Cruiseman's Garage, Traxxion Dynamics, Fred Harmon, etc.) Max suggests not changing the air filter when recommended, but doing it when you are doing other maintenance (but to each his own). If you feel confident enough to do your own servicing, you can save thousands of dollars. I have a 2023 Goldwing DCT Tour and have done my own installations on added turn signals, mirrors, backrest, highway boards, dash cameras, power hub, Homelink etc. after watching the videos and following the instructions.
@@keemez And if you break a plastic panel, plan on spending several hundred to replace it. To get at the air filter one must tear the bike apart. Valve adjustment is $3000. No you cannot buy a maintenance manual for BMW after 2017.
simple solution to that is to not barge ahead like a bull in a china shop. use some finesse and take your time. easy peasy. (ok maybe not EASY, but certainly doable)
I enjoyed watching your spot-on review of the K1600 and Goldwing. I bought the 2021 DCT Goldwing Tour after riding both bikes. If you make another touring bike comparison I'd like to watch your 2022 Goldwing compared to the 2023 Indian Pursuit Dark Horse.
I had a Gl1800 Goldwing for 16 years and I loved it. Unfortunately I haven’t ridden the BMW so I find your comparative road test very useful. What I do want to say is how remarkably fortunate you are to be able to enjoy motorcycles in the very beautiful English countryside. We also have aviation in common; I earned my license in 1979 and was a bush pilot flying in Zimbabwe and Mozambique. Cheers!
thanks for your review. good information. I'm a Harley guy, but now I want a proper touring machine. the choice is between BMW K1600 B or Goldwing. Think I'll go for Goldwing now 🙂 thanks
Wonderful comparison. I recently purchased a new, ‘23 Gold Wing Tour DCT-which I love. I’m coming off a ‘19 Ducati MultiStrada 1260S with a full touring setup, so the part about the advantages of a low center of gravity really hit the mark for me. Even at well under 600 lbs (versus the GW’s 840-something) the MultiStrada is tough to move around without your heart skipping a beat now and then as that top-biased weight moves around. Uprighting the bike off the kickstand from the saddle takes a concerted effort, and don’t get caught at the wrong angle! With the GW, it’s a relative breeze. Keep the great videos coming!
I have owned both. As you point out each has its pluses and minuses. If choosing only between these two I would choose the GW based on ease of maintenance/ lower maintenance/ ownership costs (this comment is based on my experience….yours may differ). That said, if I am looking for a true all day comfort bike for me it would be an Indian Pursuit. Good for me out of the box with no aftermarket seat (which I needed on both the K1600 and my GWs).
Hi Andy . Not spoken for a while but totally agree with your review . I’m only a small chap and in my second wing also ( non tour) but find with the weight being low it gives you more confidence. Hope also your still flying? I refuel commercial airlines at Manchester . My friend many years ago started with his ppl and now is a captain based oversea with a top airline . Keep up the good work
@@TheMissendenFlyer Hi Andy. Glad to hear it. I used to go up with my friend many years ago in the light aircraft . I covered the fuel and he got his hours in. Like I said he’s a captain now out in the Middle East . He’s done really well. Hope you have a trip planned on the GW this year with your good lady? I bought my Wing in Oct but would you believe I’ve not been on it yet lol. After I took delivery on it I took poorly so only just getting over it. Anyway got a few small trips planned this year including visiting my aunts in Bouremouth. Have a great weekend
Owned both bikes in recent times also RT1250..all too heavy now riding 2022 V-Strom 650 XT ..apart from no shaft drive including 2 up with full luggage an excellent touring machine and I reside in rural Australia. (72y.o.).
Hi, I just wanted to tell you that I really love your channel you are geniuinely one of the inspirations for my own channel. I have been following you for a while right now (with my other account) and you are one of the reasons I have started to create content myself. it is a life goal of me to make this my full time job. Thanks Andy!
Sounds like the choice is Sporty or Comfy (BMW vs Honda) and obviously down to individual preference. Great editing on this one, must have taken forever.
Excellent report and well produced video. I like your video because there was no unnecessary rambling; you spoke rapidly explaining the facts and which features you preferred and why.
Both great bikes in my opinion and we are spoilt for choice. On my BMW S1000 R sports I hardly use a lot of the electrotonic equipment and it's getting to the stage where there is far too much information. Better to keep things simple so as we don't get overly distracted with artificial intelligence. I would go with the Goldwing in this instance for the reasons you stated and particularly the top-heavy weight uneven distribution.
Personally, I don't understand why BMW doesn't have a display mode that simulates old-fashioned dials. The TFT certainly looks large enough for it. They could also choose a third mode, having an analog looking speedometer and a bar/graph type rev counter, leaving space for bar/graph type dials for fuel and temperature. I guess it's a case of BMW wanting to have a more unified look for the TFT's on their bike range. The top-heavy nature is a thing you'll get used to pretty quickly in my opinion. It's only a "problem" on very low speeds and with the electric reverse it pretty much becomes a non-issue. As to what MF said about the front feeling somewhat skittish: that's a complaint that has been brought up with big BMW's a lot. What it comes down to is yet another case of getting used to: the front may feel skittish, but as you push the bike harder and harder, you'll notice that the front is actually very planted despite of the feeling. Trust the engineering and the bike will perform as you'd expect. What usually helped with the older bikes was raising the pre-tension on the rear suspension and depending on your weight softening up the front suspension a bit, causing the bike to "stand a bit more on the nose". I don't know if that trick still works with the electronically managed suspension and if not maybe BMW could make the electronic suspension control more adjustable to re-introduce setting up the suspension to a rider's liking. I think for the K1600 BMW made a compromise between having the very planted front of a sports-bike and the less weight on the front for easier maneuvering of a Grand Tourer.
I have a K1600GT (not a GTL) and purchased a colour matched BMW top box for the K1600. I had the techs match the lock tumbler on the top box with the locks on the panniers and all work with central locking. I’m thinking you may need to let the dealer know this needs attention when you return the bike. Hope that helps!
Great comparison 👍 Haven’t tried the Goldwing (not that easy to find a dealer with that bike available for test drives). I loved the K1600, and was surprised by the overall smoothness. And found it not that hard to move around (even compared to my 1250GSA). And the K1600 I tried had the central locking.
As a brand new 2023 Goldwing owner (love your blue color and wish it had been available in the states for 23)... I might be a bit biased as well :) Cheers from Texas.
Always love your content. Informative, well-produced. I am very torn between the BMW and the Gold Wing right now. I definitely want to shift gears … not ready for an automatic motorcycle yet. Competitive pricing for Gold Wings right now, too, which moves me towards that bike. Your comparison is very helpful! Thank you.
I’ve had lots of Hondas over the years but last ten years or so have been exclusively BMW. That being said if I was in the market for a big tourer and I would probably go for the Goldwing, love the engine the low down weight and the DCT, expensive but a cracking bike👍
I’ve got a Himalayan and don’t intend to get a Goldwing or a BMW 1600 anytime soon that said, I thought that I would watch this for just a minute and move to something else. Well you captured my attention and I watched the whole video. It was very interesting. I appreciate all the time you took to explain all the details. Keep up the good work.
Both are great in their own way but both too big and heavy for me and too large for my single garage size workshop so it's an R1250RS for me Great review and keep them coming
Well done comparison. I own the 2018 Tour DCT and have traveled all four corners of the continental United States. I have also owned the 2002 GW and loved it BUT my love for the DCT is endless (especially when it comes to heavy traffic!) I enjoy your vids but still have a hard time getting used to you riding the "wrong" side of the road!
I do like a good comparison video 👍. I’d choose the Honda as well. I owned an original 1975 GL1000 K0 naked, for 8 years and loved it. Same sort of handling mind, you had to muscle it round the corners compared to other more ‘top heavy’ bikes.
I had the K1600GTL, you can fit a full face helmet in each of the side panniers and 2 in the top case. the three cases are connected to the central locking button and the remote as well.
It would be very difficult for me to do an objective assessment of both bikes in a side-by-side comparison if I already owned one of them. I definitely think it comes down to personal preference!! The sides bags on the K1600 come off very easily to be transported into a motel room at the end of the day.
I think you’re bang on! I’ve never ridden the BMW, but I think I would agree with your assessment. The extra horsepower would be fun, but unnecessary. I really like my Wing. I only wish it was 2” lower, but I’m not willing to sacrifice ride to lower it. I can live with not being able to plant both feet flat at a stop.
Never understood why some motorcyclists are obsessed with having two feet down. You just need to look at Jocelin Snow,to realise how pathetic their rider must have two feet down BS is.
@@MikeTheBike58; It sure helps on a heavy motorcycle, two up, at a stop, especially in a strong crosswind. Or in loose gravel. But those incidents are few in the grand scheme of things. I deal with it.
@@TheMissendenFlyer At 5’8”, I’m on the balls of me feet, unless I stand up. But it’s fine, most of the time. I think if I just narrowed the seat a bit, I would be able to flat foot it.
No not really. I love the Goldwing and yes it is reliable, but so is the K1600. I have had a GW and now own a high mileage BMW. It feels like it’s still brand new. I’d call it a tie, both are built really well.
@@Kushmosha do you say this based on facts, or is it just your perception. I've had 11 BMWs to date, including 2 1600s, and all super reliable. So I'd be keen to hear why you believe they are not reliable.
@@phil6146 Negative ghost rider the pattern is full. 1 our of 4 BMW will have a major engine issue in 5 years. Those are the statistics. At $175 and hour for repair, you are talking thousands.
As with most things we have to make compromises. For more spirited riding the Goldwing doesn't enter the conversation in my view. So things like panniers not having soft closures and being a little more difficult to push around the garage is a compromise I am happy to put up with. Keep the great content coming Andy
The central locking on the K1600 most certainly does lock/unlock the side panniers and top box, along with the lower fairing storage pockets and the fuel filler door.
The K1600 does in fact have a lockable top box and panniers, and from the video, I can see that the interior light on the top box was not illuminated, which means that the cable was not connected, It is the same set up with the RT which I ride
Great review. I’ve owned the K1600GT and the K1600 Grand America. I loved both bikes; just can’t beat that 1600 engine. Older now with arthritis in my left hand. Very painful most days to operate a clutch lever. Didn’t want to stop riding so I bought a Goldwing Tour DCT. Outstanding bike. The wife likes to ride as passenger on the Goldwing best. Honestly I prefer the K1600s. They are top heavy and a bit more difficult to maneuver at slow speeds in car parks, but that K1600 engine is exhilarating. Both have their +\-. Anybody touring enthusiast would not be disappointed with either.
I owned a 2006 Goldwing Airbag model for many years, and for several years had it along with a 2014 K1600GT. I loved them both - the K1600GT felt so much lighter than the Wing when I would switch. Today I still have the K1600GT and now a 2023 Ducati V4S - NOW when I go back and forth I can't believe how heavy the K1600GT feels! Perspective lol - love all your videos - fantastic work
Dear Andy, I actually bought mine after your review of your first GW, the one you bought following the test. Happy to see you love the 22 as much I do mine. One killing feature for me is CarPlay you did not note. Thank you very much for your reviews. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Two bikes that I would never buy because of the price, nonetheless, it is important to know which I would take if I could. I prefer the Gold Wing, Honda have managed to turn the Gold Wing into a Brand in its own, almost iconic. Very interesting review.
My wife and I could not come to an agreement either so she got a Goldwing DCT and I got a K1600 GTL. She's only 5'6" but the low center of gravity makes her feel very confident riding the Goldwing. She loves the DCT transmission and the low growl of the six cylinder engine. I'm so used to using the friction zone at low speed that I have a harder time controling the Goldwing at low speeds. The Goldwing is also more stable at highway speeds, but I preffer The K16 on twisty roads. Both great bikes in their own way.
While I would buy neither of these bikes, I'm sure I'd immensely enjoy a long trip on either. People who are looking to buy a tourer like this, have hard choices ro make. Good video as always. P.S. Goldwing is a legendary name. Everyone knows it. K (something something), not so much. 😂
Well when I bought my Harley in 1978, I tried a goldwing,then they were 4 cylinder 1000cc flat four & not a tourer type bike back then,but the 640lbs weight was the killer for me,as I'm only 5' 5" tall,I had issues getting my feet down safely. Fit & finish knocked spots off the Harley,but mine came from the AMF period & they were crap,not to put to fine a point on it.
Gold wing 100% 👍🏻 I have to agree on the excellent editing, which allows a direct comparison. I imagine that was more time consuming to produce, so thanks for doing that!
One word in your review made my mind up for me. "Agile" I'm 65 and coming off a Multistrada, I still want my touring bike to be able to carve mtn roads, be used in town daily and what I'm increasingly hearing is that this is NOT the Goldwings forte. Cross country on a highway, nothing better than a GW, but if you still want your motorcycle to feel like a motorcycle I'm thinking its the GT. Thanks again for your continued high quality reviews.
I agree with your choice of the GW. But being almost 70, both are too big and heavy. A curse of father time. My RS, R9T, and most recent G310gs are are much lighter. I've always preferred lighter and sportier. A Ducati would be my next choice. If I had a pillion she would have to ride her own bike. Too old to change!! LOL. 👍👍🏍🏍🏍🙋♂️
The 2023 Ducati Diavel V4 is incredibly light. I'm trying to pick between this bike and the 2023 GW DCT the one without the top case. The weight is not a problem for me because the bike has reverse and everyone says it feels light on the road.
In 2013 i chose a year old wing at 18000 over a new K16 at 19200. The Wing is still worth 13-14 and the k16 only 5-6!! Also the BMW is a bigger liability at that age .Richard Cottingham
Thanks for these, really good review as ever. Just wondering about service costs, would that be something you could consider adding to the comparison? I’m sure both companies charge a premium, but I’d be interested in your opinion on both?
Those of us "Mature" riders often discover the best bike (car, truck, boat, aircraft) is the bike where you can get the best service. I have a 2010 GW with tons of modifications. Thanks to the available GW-specific maintenance videos (Fred or Cruseman's) and a shop manual, I can do almost everything myself. Which is very cost-effective in that my bike also comes with an airbag. I also have a 2015 Tiger 800 XCX, and again, thanks to YT (Muddysump) and a shop manual I can also do 90% of the service. Otherwise, the cost of maintenance by the dealerships on these big bikes can be very steep.
Great unbaised comparison review TMF. Given the target market that both of these bikes are aimed at, I was surprised at the variances in such simple things as pannier build quality and basic manhandling. Although a 'Honda man' for many years, I tried not to let that influence my thoughts whilst watching your review, but I have to say that despite BMW's superior horse power and the presence/smoothness of its in-line 6, the Goldwing is, by far, the much superior machine. Thanks for the review.
The continuity of your conversation and commentary as you seemingly "magically" switch from bike to bike is to me , a vlogging equivalent of a "feat of engineering" Great work. thank you Andy . For what my opinion is worth, Honda all day long.
I could well imagine. I can tell you though that from my perspective as a viewer , it makes for an excellent , professional production and valuable comparison.
When I bought my new RT I released the side pannier and it shot down so fast it tore the string thing off. The lack of damping is a bit crap and, as I found out, isn’t very robust. To offset that you can get two helmets in the top box and helmets fit in both side panniers. They are well designed but side panniers should be damped.
One thing that you failed to mention is the reliability factor. Given the gearbox issues with past K1600 models, I think the Honda would be streets ahead, looks much more premium to me too!
On my GTLE, the central locking locked every thing with a lock on it. Having owned both bikes, my wife preferred the wing but I preferred the BMW. We both now prefer the Spyder... Another good video, well done.
Objectively, the K1600 has several advantages that would steer me in it's direction. More luggage capacity (removable), more range, more powerful and charismatic engine, and it is more agile with more ground clearance for cornering.
That's exactly why I bought the K 1600, either if I prefer the design of the Goldwing. Also, I'm one of the rarest person who hate the DCT gearbox 🤷🏻♂
Hi Andy, another great video Thank You, must have taken you ages to do all the editing between bikes. All your opinions are very valid and make good sense. I thought the video was really well put together and very well presented well done you.
A very honest and fair comparison. I wonder what the weight and handling would be like for a electric version, if even possible in a practical and end user sense.
I'm glad you ended with a comment that you were biased as the Goldwing was yours. It is a bit of an expensive mistake to wish you'd bought the other bike! I am biased too because I have had 5 K1600's. Just for balance here are a few points: The cases are all removable and are bigger than the GW a big plus on a tour in my opinion. The K1600 is much more sporty in what it does, I don't think they really compete well head to head, I have ridden the new Wing and it felt pretty pedestrian by comparison. Sports mode on the Wing was more of a volume button with little effect on pick up, I left it in normal mode. I agree with you entirely on fit and finish the Japanese have that nailed! Less so declaing the Honda more comfortable for a pillion. They appeal to entirely different people but seem to look vaguely similar if you squint (a lot)
Hello Andy, Tony in Alicante here, re; your observation on speed of steering, according to your comment you didn't mention the GL has an 18" front wheel and a 130 section tyre so without doubt it will steer slower than the BM's 17" 120 section tyre, but I would guess you already knew that, great vid 👍 keep on keeping on ✌️
Having owned my K1600GTLe and using it for exactly what’s it’s meant for I can honestly state that given the option again I would definitely buy my K1600 again. I’ve ridden the GW on an extended time period (3 months) and whilst a great bike I found that it didn’t live up to the BMW. It had lower luggage capacity, lower tank range and a less nimble ride. So again for me the K1600 rules in every sense. And now with the RP6 GT’s the road holding is further enhanced and my love affair with the inline 6 has started again!!!! Damn that K1600 is way too good
I guess it depends on your age. I am 64. My 2021 K1600B fully loaded with every option available would fly. But my back hurt like hell after 40 miles. BMW do not sell a seat that offers a back rest. So I had to search for a seat that would connect up with my OEM heating connector. That seat had a back rest but the bike was never comfortable to me. Further, BMW are top heavy, maintenance costs are sky high and no maintenance manual is available. At my age going fast is no longer the issue. I would be happy with 125HP. HD are only have 105HP.
I’m 63 and ended up getting a custom made saddle that has a backrest so I use it a lot. Longest ride continuous was 19 hours only stopping for fuel and natural breaks. Was fresh when I got to the end in Barcelona
I have owned a '07 K1200GT, a '06 K1200S, and now a '17 K1600GT. All 3 bikes have been very reliable. Only need tires and oil changes. I paid $10K less for my '17 K1600GT (fully loaded with all options and all accessories) than the Honda dealer wanted for a '18 Goldwing. That extra $10K buys many sets of tires.
Great comparison review . Having purchased one after going on a test ride having watched your original review Andy, one thing not mentioned which I really like in summer on my K16 are the air-scoops to get much more airflow to me.
Hi Andy. I would suggest you try aK1600 get. Different in its seating position and feel to the gtl. Both these machines are the pinnacle of cruising comfort. Even at this level, thank goodness we have a choice. For me , like many others, it’s a choice we’d gladly make given the money to spend. Thanks for the excellent content.
A major issue I found when I owned the Goldwing was not being able to remove the panniers. When touring being able to take a loaded pannier into accomodation was much easier than unpacking pannier bags which wasted a lot of the limited pannier space.
I always buy case liners for my touring bikes. Then just open the case, remove the liner and carry it into the hotel. Much lighter and easier to carry than a hard case covered in dirt and rain.
The "Lugging about test" summed it up for me with these bikes. Just far too big for a lot of people to manoeuvre around at standstill. As soon as your motorbike has a reverse gear, surely that states it's too big?! Just think there's plenty of bikes that will do everything these bikes do-and more! Still-each to their own I guess. A great video as usual Andy....great editing comparing the two. 👍🏼
I agree, good luck to people who feel they need this size and can manage it, but for me it's only a matter of time before not being able to wheel the bike around easily becomes a liability.
Extraordinary work on editing of the video! This can be a very difficult choice. It’s imperative, starting by ride test both, and from that point, building the decision . Thank you for the excellent Bikes comparison in depth video👌🏻
I love my 2021 Goldwing Tour DCT. I looked at the K1600 and decided it also wouldn’t have been as comfortable for a passenger. It did look like the panniers were removable on the BMW so that would be nice.
My wife wanted the new Goldwing for comfort. I held out for the K1600GT because of the sportier engine. Last summer we rode from central British Columbia to California and back. She said she was very comfortable on the K1600GT. We have a GTL top case and arm rests on our '17 K1600 GT.
Cracking review buddy, I currently tour on our r1200rt with my wife, but she struggles getting on and off! Looking for something different and these two are on our radar along with an Indian Challenger or chieftain. I'm also 5'8" and your points on top heaviness' has steered me away from the BMW. Think I need a test ride on the Gold wing! Thanks again.
Thank you for this review - about as fair a comparison as one can find on YT! I've owned two HD touring bikes and a BMW K 1600 Grand America but don't own any at the moment. While I liked the power of the GA it had a bit of the wiggles at highway speeds and I didn't like that at all. Right now I'd go with the GW if I was to buy another. Thanks again. BTW, being a rider in the US the tight streets and close hedges in the UK (beside riding on a different side of the street!) would make me a nervous rider!
Nice review. I love the idea of that hot rod BMW engine in theory but in practice the Honda won me over 4 years ago when I found a Candy Ardent Red DCT Wing Bagger. The bike is pure magic. I've actually returned 63 MPG on a short 30 mile loop through the country at 50 MPH in 7th gear wafting along like a feather in the wind. Of course the jetting home on the interstate at 80 drops that figure below 50 but just thought I'd mention it as a point of interest. Nobody buys a big tourer for the mileage.
My k1600 has central locking for panniers and the top box.
Yes my bad - you are quite correct!
@@TheMissendenFlyer haha. I would have guessed some sort of tech developer or maybe a pilot
..not quite, pointless, but similar to softclose doors on BMW (and other makes) doors - virtually pointless and something else that will eventually break, probably in a very unhelpful way
I wouldn't say it's pointless. I use mine often when riding. It's better than constantly having to unlock/lock with the physical key. I just hit the button and the fob and done. No different than a car door lock.
@@SlvrBckBlck Agree, and it's very convenient riding 2 up, I have that on my RT as well - which watching this vid, makes me more certain it is the better bike hehehe
I’ve owned five Goldwings since 2013 and loved all of them. The last was a 2020 DCT Tour. I’ve always lusted after the K1600GT. I never have a pillion as the wife doesn’t ride with me. I was diagnosed with cancer in June of this year and had sold my 2020 Wing and bought a sports car but it seemed my son drove the car more than I did so I sold the car. Just as I was starting my chemotherapy my wife told me to go buy a bike as she knows its my passion and stress reliever. So off I went to satisfy my curiosity and bought a brand new 2022 BMW K1600GT. Both bikes have their virtues. I loved my Goldwings and I truly love the handling and power of the GT. My belief is you can’t go wrong with either bike if you’re wanting a big touring scoot. I don’t find the BMW that hard to move around but I’m also 6’1” and 250lbs so its not an issue moving either bike. I do like the fact that the panniers are removable on the K bike as it makes winter storage much easier for me in the garage. If I had to buy another bike today I don’t honestly know which one I would choose. I do know I’m very happy with the K bike and have always loved my Wings. So there you go. I’m no help at all if you’re in the market. On a positive note my recent CT scan indicated I am currently cancer free. Many more regular tests required in the coming years buy I’m optimistic I have many years more riding ahead of me.
Good news then Len - all the best!
Good on ya mate - congrats!
All the best mate. Love hearing stories from fellow riders
Fantastic news, here's to many more years riding ❤
Lots of love and blessings to you from rider family
At 67 years old, I wanted a bike that was more Cruise-Touring and less Sport-Touring, so I bought a 2023 Goldwing Tour DCT in July, I've have bike my entire life and this is the best MC I've purchased. I love the low CG and DCT.
Me too!
I'm 57 and just started to save up for a Honda Goldwing DCT 🏍. It's my dream for now. I gotta keep 🙏🏾ing.
Same here. I traded in a Yamaha FJR 1300 and got a 24DCT. Never thought I would get one, but now that I have it I’ll never go back! What has made an absolute world of difference though was I bought an F4 Custom Windshield out of Cleveland. I’ve been writing for decades, but this windshield is remarkable. It’s like a different bike
I don't often add comments to youtube vids, but this review is a clinic in how to do a review. I feel you hit so many practical parts of riding/ownership. Also well done on keeping your bias in check towards your own GW. The whole review was as balanced as a GW at highway speed. As someone that is looking to possibly make a move from a touring cruiser to one of these two bikes, this is the most informative review I have seen.
Wow - thank you very much!
It's a simple enough decision, GW for a more relaxed touring environment and the K16 if you prefer your touring with a sporting bent. Both are incredible bikes to ride, im currently riding a 22 MY K1600GT and absolutely love it.
BMW do not offer a back rest ready seat that adapts the heating option. The BMW seat on my K1600 killed my back. I replaced it with a sargent seat which accommodates the back rest and is plug n play with the OEM connector for seat heating. It still wasn't comfortable. Also the bike is top heavy and I was thrown around a lot in a little wind.
I've both MC, a 2018 Goldwing with DCT with an airbag. A 2020 BMW K1600 GTL with the 719 option. Both bikes are wonderful bikes for different reasons. The K1600 is a beast with that 160hp six cylinder engine, which I added a stage 2 kit. Took it to the dyno and got 168mph and still had more to go. The buffering issue on the Beemer is real, my solution was to remove the top case. Completely different MC with the top case removed, the Beemer is more about sport touring. One item which was not mention in the comments was the shift assist on the K1600, a whole completely different animal than the DCT. I smile every time I get off that K1600. Now as far as touring for long distance you can not beat the Goldwing DCT. The comfortability of that Goldwing is unmatched. Once both seats were changed to Russell Day Long seats. I pulled a Bushtec trailer fully loaded to California with that DCT on touring model. I didn't realize the trailer was behind me, unless I looked in the rear view mirror. I love both bikes, one for sport touring and the other for comfort and touring. The goldwing does have the most mileage, just my point of view.😎
I'll certainly try removing the top box. Thanks.
Your review is spot on in all categories. I own both of those bikes and I choose to ride my Goldwing DCT 80% of the time.
That Goldwing is a thing of beauty, I love the blue color, but also the look of the engine and the instruments.
Yes me too....
Andy, great video. Love the editing between bikes, made it very watchable and easier to compare. My take for what it’s worth would be if you’ve come from a sports bike background or performance is all important the K1600 has performance and handling that no other large touring bike can live with, however the Goldwing is the more refined and luxurious bike with the lower centre of gravity, heated pillion backrest, damped pannier opening etc.
I agree 100%
I love touring solo on my K1600B but for two-up riding I'd pick a full tour Goldwing with DCT. Both superb machines so no bad choice available.
Loving the back and forth you did with this video, must have taken some planning. Well done mate!
Thanks Matthew - I’m glad you noticed it!
Thanks for a good comparison. A point you didn't touch on is dealer experience. As a lifelong Honda guy I was shocked when I took my GS in for service. The service intervals are shorter and exponentially more expensive, e.g., $135 oil change on my Honda vs. $400 (not a typo) at the BMW dealer. (I spent $60 on parts and did it myself.) I bought the BMW only because in '18 the Africa Twin didn't have cruise control. I like the GS but probably won't buy another BMW.
Heard that on another video as well. On the GW it is relatively simple to do own maintenance. The K1600 needs to go into the dealership for computer read outs... Don't know, can someone / owner confirm that ??
I had oil change, brake flush and drive shaft lubed. $900.00. BMW are expensive to maintain. The next service interval was going to cost $3000. Oh, BMW will supply a service manual after 2017. And the 2017 manual was garbage.
WILL NOT SUPPLY A SERVICE MANUAL...
I know this is an old review but it’s the best review/comparison I’ve seen in a long time. Great job.
Thank you
I had the choice of either bike a while ago and test drove both and was very impressed by the wing just on its touring capabilities alone the BM was just as comfortable but I thought a lot more sporty in the end I ended up with ……BMW1200RT which for solo touring ticked all the boxes and saved me a few thousand 💷💷. Excellent review love the comparison with the editing
Thank you David - glad you appreciated that edit!
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2:55 BMW still has issue with pulling to left. All gtl e has central locking all panniers and top box as standard. And I can easily put two full size helmets on top box with some light jacket. What I don’t like in top box is not stable/firm connection to frame. My wife complain that is move on each bump. On my old Yamaha xv1900 top box was stable like rock. And yes all the plastic bits on BMW look like and feel like cheap crap. But it got power and is ok for trips to Croatia from Scotland.
Not only does the central locking work on my top box and panniers but I also have a courtesy light in the top box. As mine is a 2015 I really don't think they would have deleted that feature. Also on the K1600 you can demount the top box and panniers very easily and have a very large semi-sports bike to really annoy the Sunday Sports Bike Bois....
Love this review and comparison. Ive ridden super sports my entire life save for a few naked sports. But now my wife and I want to do cross country tours and my S1000RR just is not going to cut it. Im a little partial to BMW, but after a few reviews and the fact I grew up around Goldwings. Ive put a deposit on a 24 DCT. We're very excited to get this bike and seeing more states rather than just local city riding. Thanks for a well rounded review.
Hi Andy, was a really good comparison video the way you strung it together was very professional. I love both of these bikes, and I think fundamentally you are right the wing is a classier, and better built bike. But I think the choice may be an age thing, I could see younger riders opting for the more lively K1600. Thank you.
Great video as always. Doubt those roads are natural territory for these bikes, but they certainly test their agility (and yours). As I get older, I feel inclined to go for smaller, lighter bikes. And, as my wife won't get on a bike anymore, I only need 1/10th of the luggage capacity (win win).
Yes if you’re not needing to haul kit and passengers these bikes make little sense….
Thanks for another nice review. I have owned both and know first-hand what works best for me......Sitting in my garage is the second Gold Wing I have owned. It is a 2024 Gonda Gold Wing Tour DCT in Pearl White with Black and Red accents. (Just delivered last week). My first was a 2018 Honda Gold Wing Tour DCT in Pearl White. Here are the features that make the Honda Gold Wing a win. 1. DCT Transmission. Amazing technology that even the current Chevrolet Corvette now utilizes! 2.The combined braking system is excellent. 3. Overall controls for managing a ride. This includes the switchgear and radio. 4. The flat six engine is amazing and helps keep the CG low. While the Oil change is a little more detailed with the DCT, I take my time and enjoy the process. 5. Warranty-like the BMW, not many manufacturers provide 3 years as standard. 6. Confidence-I feel great riding this bike...and my wife really enjoys riding with me. Thank you, again. (Mark-from Plymouth, WI)
The new 'Wing is a beast isn't it!
Thank you for this, the switch from one bike to the other with an instant comparison was amazing, made for an easier and tidier comparison - all round great video 🙏🏻
Glad it helped!
Fantastic review and I fully agree with the K1600 handling comments around the 8:30 mark. I just did a BMW demo day over here in South Florida where I went directly from an S1000RR to a K1600GTL. Quite the contrast! Dare I say the S1000RR actually felt a bit less skittish. I know that's probably going to attract a lot of scoffs of disbelief, but on a windy day, the top case on the big bike combined with the very nimble steering had the bike feeling positively squirrelly. BMW have tuned the hell out of the steering and geometry on the K1600 bikes to make them feel incredibly sporty in spite of their size, but as a consequence they can feel a bit nervous for such a hulking monster of a motorcycle.
Ultimately, I came away from the K1600 (I rode both the GTL and the B) incredibly impressed and actually wanting one. I went to the even interested in the S1000R to compliment my R1250GS, but I left dreaming about the K16000 bikes. That engine and transmission combo might be the pinnacle of performance touring. I'm afraid we will never see another like it as the sun sets on the ICE.
If I could afford it I’d go for the Honda Goldwing. I have the Africa Twin Adventure Sports DCT and love the love. Great review. 👍
One of the biggest maintenance costs on a GW is replacing the air filter. Depending on where you go, it is 700$ to 900$. Was going to do it myself but it is an 8 hour project with hand tools. Got rid of HD and GW because of exhorbitent costs of ownership. Looked into BMW. The R18 for me is more practical. Wait till you have to pay for valve adjustments on the K1600. Love the way both the GW and K1600 handle. Maintenance costs are prohibitive for most people. Just show the invoices to your wife!
There are plenty of You Tube videos showing how to do maintenance on the Goldwing (Cruiseman's Garage, Traxxion Dynamics, Fred Harmon, etc.) Max suggests not changing the air filter when recommended, but doing it when you are doing other maintenance (but to each his own). If you feel confident enough to do your own servicing, you can save thousands of dollars. I have a 2023 Goldwing DCT Tour and have done my own installations on added turn signals, mirrors, backrest, highway boards, dash cameras, power hub, Homelink etc. after watching the videos and following the instructions.
Sounds like a bad engineering design
Is your own time worth $87.50/hour? (700/8) Do it yourself. It's not that hard- just takes time.
BMW maintenance costs far surpass those of the GW.
@@keemez And if you break a plastic panel, plan on spending several hundred to replace it. To get at the air filter one must tear the bike apart. Valve adjustment is $3000. No you cannot buy a maintenance manual for BMW after 2017.
simple solution to that is to not barge ahead like a bull in a china shop. use some finesse and take your time. easy peasy. (ok maybe not EASY, but certainly doable)
I enjoyed watching your spot-on review of the K1600 and Goldwing. I bought the 2021 DCT Goldwing Tour after riding both bikes. If you make another touring bike comparison I'd like to watch your 2022 Goldwing compared to the 2023 Indian Pursuit Dark Horse.
I had a Gl1800 Goldwing for 16 years and I loved it. Unfortunately I haven’t ridden the BMW so I find your comparative road test very useful. What I do want to say is how remarkably fortunate you are to be able to enjoy motorcycles in the very beautiful English countryside.
We also have aviation in common; I earned my license in 1979 and was a bush pilot flying in Zimbabwe and Mozambique. Cheers!
That sounds like interesting flying….
thanks for your review. good information. I'm a Harley guy, but now I want a proper touring machine. the choice is between BMW K1600 B or Goldwing. Think I'll go for Goldwing now 🙂 thanks
get the GW is a wise decision. I plan on a 2025
Wonderful comparison. I recently purchased a new, ‘23 Gold Wing Tour DCT-which I love. I’m coming off a ‘19 Ducati MultiStrada 1260S with a full touring setup, so the part about the advantages of a low center of gravity really hit the mark for me. Even at well under 600 lbs (versus the GW’s 840-something) the MultiStrada is tough to move around without your heart skipping a beat now and then as that top-biased weight moves around. Uprighting the bike off the kickstand from the saddle takes a concerted effort, and don’t get caught at the wrong angle! With the GW, it’s a relative breeze. Keep the great videos coming!
I agree! Cant wait to get back out on my Wing again!
I have owned both. As you point out each has its pluses and minuses. If choosing only between these two I would choose the GW based on ease of maintenance/ lower maintenance/ ownership costs (this comment is based on my experience….yours may differ). That said, if I am looking for a true all day comfort bike for me it would be an Indian Pursuit. Good for me out of the box with no aftermarket seat (which I needed on both the K1600 and my GWs).
Hi Andy . Not spoken for a while but totally agree with your review . I’m only a small chap and in my second wing also ( non tour) but find with the weight being low it gives you more confidence.
Hope also your still flying? I refuel commercial airlines at Manchester . My friend many years ago started with his ppl and now is a captain based oversea with a top airline .
Keep up the good work
Hi Phil - good to hear from you again, and yes, I’m still flying….roll on summer!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Hi Andy. Glad to hear it. I used to go up with my friend many years ago in the light aircraft . I covered the fuel and he got his hours in. Like I said he’s a captain now out in the Middle East . He’s done really well. Hope you have a trip planned on the GW this year with your good lady? I bought my Wing in Oct but would you believe I’ve not been on it yet lol. After I took delivery on it I took poorly so only just getting over it. Anyway got a few small trips planned this year including visiting my aunts in Bouremouth.
Have a great weekend
Owned both bikes in recent times also RT1250..all too heavy now riding 2022 V-Strom 650 XT ..apart from no shaft drive including 2 up with full luggage an excellent touring machine and I reside in rural Australia. (72y.o.).
Hi, I just wanted to tell you that I really love your channel you are geniuinely one of the inspirations for my own channel. I have been following you for a while right now (with my other account) and you are one of the reasons I have started to create content myself. it is a life goal of me to make this my full time job. Thanks Andy!
Great plan! Good luck with it....
Sounds like the choice is Sporty or Comfy (BMW vs Honda) and obviously down to individual preference. Great editing on this one, must have taken forever.
Thanks for noticing Phil!
Excellent report and well produced video. I like your video because there was no unnecessary rambling; you spoke rapidly explaining the facts and which features you preferred and why.
Thank you very much!
Both great bikes in my opinion and we are spoilt for choice. On my BMW S1000 R sports I hardly use a lot of the electrotonic equipment and it's getting to the stage where there is far too much information. Better to keep things simple so as we don't get overly distracted with artificial intelligence. I would go with the Goldwing in this instance for the reasons you stated and particularly the top-heavy weight uneven distribution.
Glad we agree!
Personally, I don't understand why BMW doesn't have a display mode that simulates old-fashioned dials. The TFT certainly looks large enough for it. They could also choose a third mode, having an analog looking speedometer and a bar/graph type rev counter, leaving space for bar/graph type dials for fuel and temperature.
I guess it's a case of BMW wanting to have a more unified look for the TFT's on their bike range.
The top-heavy nature is a thing you'll get used to pretty quickly in my opinion. It's only a "problem" on very low speeds and with the electric reverse it pretty much becomes a non-issue. As to what MF said about the front feeling somewhat skittish: that's a complaint that has been brought up with big BMW's a lot. What it comes down to is yet another case of getting used to: the front may feel skittish, but as you push the bike harder and harder, you'll notice that the front is actually very planted despite of the feeling. Trust the engineering and the bike will perform as you'd expect. What usually helped with the older bikes was raising the pre-tension on the rear suspension and depending on your weight softening up the front suspension a bit, causing the bike to "stand a bit more on the nose". I don't know if that trick still works with the electronically managed suspension and if not maybe BMW could make the electronic suspension control more adjustable to re-introduce setting up the suspension to a rider's liking. I think for the K1600 BMW made a compromise between having the very planted front of a sports-bike and the less weight on the front for easier maneuvering of a Grand Tourer.
I have a K1600GT (not a GTL) and purchased a colour matched BMW top box for the K1600. I had the techs match the lock tumbler on the top box with the locks on the panniers and all work with central locking. I’m thinking you may need to let the dealer know this needs attention when you return the bike. Hope that helps!
Great comparison 👍 Haven’t tried the Goldwing (not that easy to find a dealer with that bike available for test drives). I loved the K1600, and was surprised by the overall smoothness. And found it not that hard to move around (even compared to my 1250GSA). And the K1600 I tried had the central locking.
As a brand new 2023 Goldwing owner (love your blue color and wish it had been available in the states for 23)... I might be a bit biased as well :) Cheers from Texas.
For me and other old folks, between the two, we'd pick the intermediate R1250RT 🙂
Perhaps a similarly aged 1250rt and honda st1300 would be a good comparison
Funny you say that Pedro, I have a 1200RT 😉👌🏻😎
@@michelod.i.y.5202 good choice, good comparison 👌🏻😎
@@martiniv8924 nice, I'm getting scared of all the new stuff, so much tech, sensors etc, if they go wrong where do you start.
Yes, it's RT for me. At 5'8" 155# I can't deal with the weight of either of these bikes.
Always love your content. Informative, well-produced. I am very torn between the BMW and the Gold Wing right now. I definitely want to shift gears … not ready for an automatic motorcycle yet. Competitive pricing for Gold Wings right now, too, which moves me towards that bike. Your comparison is very helpful! Thank you.
If you ride mostly 2 up go for the wing, if not then get the GS
I’ve had lots of Hondas over the years but last ten years or so have been exclusively BMW. That being said if I was in the market for a big tourer and I would probably go for the Goldwing, love the engine the low down weight and the DCT, expensive but a cracking bike👍
I’ve got a Himalayan and don’t intend to get a Goldwing or a BMW 1600 anytime soon that said, I thought that I would watch this for just a minute and move to something else. Well you captured my attention and I watched the whole video. It was very interesting. I appreciate all the time you took to explain all the details. Keep up the good work.
Glad you stayed!
Both are great in their own way but both too big and heavy for me and too large for my single garage size workshop so it's an R1250RS for me
Great review and keep them coming
Fair enough!
Well done comparison. I own the 2018 Tour DCT and have traveled all four corners of the continental United States. I have also owned the 2002 GW and loved it BUT my love for the DCT is endless (especially when it comes to heavy traffic!) I enjoy your vids but still have a hard time getting used to you riding the "wrong" side of the road!
Thanks for watching and stopping by Gary - all the best!
I do like a good comparison video 👍. I’d choose the Honda as well. I owned an original 1975 GL1000 K0 naked, for 8 years and loved it. Same sort of handling mind, you had to muscle it round the corners compared to other more ‘top heavy’ bikes.
I was just thinking how amazing they were when introduced!
I had the K1600GTL, you can fit a full face helmet in each of the side panniers and 2 in the top case. the three cases are connected to the central locking button and the remote as well.
It would be very difficult for me to do an objective assessment of both bikes in a side-by-side comparison if I already owned one of them. I definitely think it comes down to personal preference!! The sides bags on the K1600 come off very easily to be transported into a motel room at the end of the day.
Indeed - I didn’t say this was objective! Just my view in comparing the two…
I think you’re bang on! I’ve never ridden the BMW, but I think I would agree with your assessment. The extra horsepower would be fun, but unnecessary. I really like my Wing. I only wish it was 2” lower, but I’m not willing to sacrifice ride to lower it. I can live with not being able to plant both feet flat at a stop.
Never understood why some motorcyclists are obsessed with having two feet down.
You just need to look at Jocelin Snow,to realise how pathetic their rider must have two feet down BS is.
@@MikeTheBike58; It sure helps on a heavy motorcycle, two up, at a stop, especially in a strong crosswind. Or in loose gravel. But those incidents are few in the grand scheme of things. I deal with it.
I defo feel more confident if I can’t plant both feet down - luckily on the Gold Wing I can!
@@TheMissendenFlyer At 5’8”, I’m on the balls of me feet, unless I stand up. But it’s fine, most of the time. I think if I just narrowed the seat a bit, I would be able to flat foot it.
Don’t forget the reliability definitely, the Goldwing wins supremely
No not really. I love the Goldwing and yes it is reliable, but so is the K1600. I have had a GW and now own a high mileage BMW. It feels like it’s still brand new. I’d call it a tie, both are built really well.
@@Kushmosha do you say this based on facts, or is it just your perception. I've had 11 BMWs to date, including 2 1600s, and all super reliable. So I'd be keen to hear why you believe they are not reliable.
@@phil6146 Negative ghost rider the pattern is full. 1 our of 4 BMW will have a major engine issue in 5 years. Those are the statistics. At $175 and hour for repair, you are talking thousands.
As with most things we have to make compromises. For more spirited riding the Goldwing doesn't enter the conversation in my view. So things like panniers not having soft closures and being a little more difficult to push around the garage is a compromise I am happy to put up with. Keep the great content coming Andy
Just on looks alone I’d have the Goldwing. It just looks so much better. Excellent review as always. 👍
Thank you and of course I agree!
Yup, me too........
The central locking on the K1600 most certainly does lock/unlock the side panniers and top box, along with the lower fairing storage pockets and the fuel filler door.
Yes my bad - hence the earlier pinned comment
@@TheMissendenFlyer It ok, love your videos and wit. Been a fan for years.
Both nice bikes. Very good tourers . As you said just depends what the buyer prefers.
The K1600 does in fact have a lockable top box and panniers, and from the video, I can see that the interior light on the top box was not illuminated, which means that the cable was not connected, It is the same set up with the RT which I ride
Yes - hence the earlier pinned comment
@@TheMissendenFlyer BMW switch's are not back lite either. I have shut my engine off fiddling with controls before. I think the GW are back lite.
I’d never own either bike. But, outstanding review, as usual. Fun to watch…
Fair enough!
Great review. I’ve owned the K1600GT and the K1600 Grand America. I loved both bikes; just can’t beat that 1600 engine. Older now with arthritis in my left hand. Very painful most days to operate a clutch lever.
Didn’t want to stop riding so I bought a Goldwing Tour DCT. Outstanding bike. The wife likes to ride as passenger on the Goldwing best.
Honestly I prefer the K1600s. They are top heavy and a bit more difficult to maneuver at slow speeds in car parks, but that K1600 engine is exhilarating.
Both have their +\-. Anybody touring enthusiast would not be disappointed with either.
I owned a 2006 Goldwing Airbag model for many years, and for several years had it along with a 2014 K1600GT. I loved them both - the K1600GT felt so much lighter than the Wing when I would switch. Today I still have the K1600GT and now a 2023 Ducati V4S - NOW when I go back and forth I can't believe how heavy the K1600GT feels! Perspective lol - love all your videos - fantastic work
Thank you Brian - of course the Gold Wing had a complete redesign in 2018 and is now a somewhat smaller bike than your old 2006 model….
Dear Andy, I actually bought mine after your review of your first GW, the one you bought following the test. Happy to see you love the 22 as much I do mine. One killing feature for me is CarPlay you did not note. Thank you very much for your reviews. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Yes I should have mentioned that - it can be a faff to get it too reliably work but I know it's a feture many people really value...
Two bikes that I would never buy because of the price, nonetheless, it is important to know which I would take if I could.
I prefer the Gold Wing, Honda have managed to turn the Gold Wing into a Brand in its own, almost iconic.
Very interesting review.
Cheers!
My wife and I could not come to an agreement either so she got a Goldwing DCT and I got a K1600 GTL. She's only 5'6" but the low center of gravity makes her feel very confident riding the Goldwing. She loves the DCT transmission and the low growl of the six cylinder engine. I'm so used to using the friction zone at low speed that I have a harder time controling the Goldwing at low speeds. The Goldwing is also more stable at highway speeds, but I preffer The K16 on twisty roads. Both great bikes in their own way.
While I would buy neither of these bikes, I'm sure I'd immensely enjoy a long trip on either. People who are looking to buy a tourer like this, have hard choices ro make. Good video as always.
P.S. Goldwing is a legendary name. Everyone knows it. K (something something), not so much. 😂
Well when I bought my Harley in 1978, I tried a goldwing,then they were 4 cylinder 1000cc flat four & not a tourer type bike back then,but the 640lbs weight was the killer for me,as I'm only 5' 5" tall,I had issues getting my feet down safely. Fit & finish knocked spots off the Harley,but mine came from the AMF period & they were crap,not to put to fine a point on it.
Gold wing 100% 👍🏻 I have to agree on the excellent editing, which allows a direct comparison. I imagine that was more time consuming to produce, so thanks for doing that!
Glad you enjoyed it! …and yes a tricky edit that!
One word in your review made my mind up for me. "Agile" I'm 65 and coming off a Multistrada, I still want my touring bike to be able to carve mtn roads, be used in town daily and what I'm increasingly hearing is that this is NOT the Goldwings forte. Cross country on a highway, nothing better than a GW, but if you still want your motorcycle to feel like a motorcycle I'm thinking its the GT. Thanks again for your continued high quality reviews.
I agree with your choice of the GW. But being almost 70, both are too big and heavy. A curse of father time. My RS, R9T, and most recent G310gs are are much lighter. I've always preferred lighter and sportier. A Ducati would be my next choice. If I had a pillion she would have to ride her own bike. Too old to change!! LOL. 👍👍🏍🏍🏍🙋♂️
The 2023 Ducati Diavel V4 is incredibly light. I'm trying to pick between this bike and the 2023 GW DCT the one without the top case. The weight is not a problem for me because the bike has reverse and everyone says it feels light on the road.
In 2013 i chose a year old wing at 18000 over a new K16 at 19200. The Wing is still worth 13-14 and the k16 only 5-6!! Also the BMW is a bigger liability at that age .Richard Cottingham
Wow that's great news!
Thanks for these, really good review as ever.
Just wondering about service costs, would that be something you could consider adding to the comparison? I’m sure both companies charge a premium, but I’d be interested in your opinion on both?
Great suggestion!
Those of us "Mature" riders often discover the best bike (car, truck, boat, aircraft) is the bike where you can get the best service. I have a 2010 GW with tons of modifications. Thanks to the available GW-specific maintenance videos (Fred or Cruseman's) and a shop manual, I can do almost everything myself. Which is very cost-effective in that my bike also comes with an airbag. I also have a 2015 Tiger 800 XCX, and again, thanks to YT (Muddysump) and a shop manual I can also do 90% of the service. Otherwise, the cost of maintenance by the dealerships on these big bikes can be very steep.
Great unbaised comparison review TMF. Given the target market that both of these bikes are aimed at, I was surprised at the variances in such simple things as pannier build quality and basic manhandling. Although a 'Honda man' for many years, I tried not to let that influence my thoughts whilst watching your review, but I have to say that despite BMW's superior horse power and the presence/smoothness of its in-line 6, the Goldwing is, by far, the much superior machine. Thanks for the review.
The reviewer's and your bias come through. Ride both bikes hard and then we'll talk.
Depends on how fast you want to get there
I always value your honest reviews and opinion on motorbikes.
Great content.
Glad you like them!
The continuity of your conversation and commentary as you seemingly "magically" switch from bike to bike is to me , a vlogging equivalent of a "feat of engineering"
Great work. thank you Andy .
For what my opinion is worth, Honda all day long.
So glad you noticed that M! It’s actually quite difficult to do!
I could well imagine. I can tell you though that from my perspective as a viewer , it makes for an excellent , professional production and valuable comparison.
When I bought my new RT I released the side pannier and it shot down so fast it tore the string thing off. The lack of damping is a bit crap and, as I found out, isn’t very robust.
To offset that you can get two helmets in the top box and helmets fit in both side panniers. They are well designed but side panniers should be damped.
One thing that you failed to mention is the reliability factor. Given the gearbox issues with past K1600 models, I think the Honda would be streets ahead, looks much more premium to me too!
On my GTLE, the central locking locked every thing with a lock on it. Having owned both bikes, my wife preferred the wing but I preferred the BMW. We both now prefer the Spyder... Another good video, well done.
Thanks for watching!
Objectively, the K1600 has several advantages that would steer me in it's direction. More luggage capacity (removable), more range, more powerful and charismatic engine, and it is more agile with more ground clearance for cornering.
Fair enough....
That's exactly why I bought the K 1600, either if I prefer the design of the Goldwing. Also, I'm one of the rarest person who hate the DCT gearbox 🤷🏻♂
Hi Andy, another great video Thank You, must have taken you ages to do all the editing between bikes. All your opinions are very valid and make good sense. I thought the video was really well put together and very well presented well done you.
Many thanks!
A very honest and fair comparison. I wonder what the weight and handling would be like for a electric version, if even possible in a practical and end user sense.
I'm glad you ended with a comment that you were biased as the Goldwing was yours. It is a bit of an expensive mistake to wish you'd bought the other bike! I am biased too because I have had 5 K1600's. Just for balance here are a few points: The cases are all removable and are bigger than the GW a big plus on a tour in my opinion. The K1600 is much more sporty in what it does, I don't think they really compete well head to head, I have ridden the new Wing and it felt pretty pedestrian by comparison. Sports mode on the Wing was more of a volume button with little effect on pick up, I left it in normal mode. I agree with you entirely on fit and finish the Japanese have that nailed! Less so declaing the Honda more comfortable for a pillion. They appeal to entirely different people but seem to look vaguely similar if you squint (a lot)
Thanks for the feedback - clearly i disagree but i appreciate you taking the time to write and respect your opinion!
Well Andy I have to say in my opinion the Honda would be my choice all day long both in looks and practicality 😉👍
Hello Andy, Tony in Alicante here, re; your observation on speed of steering, according to your comment you didn't mention the GL has an 18" front wheel and a 130 section tyre so without doubt it will steer slower than the BM's 17" 120 section tyre, but I would guess you already knew that, great vid 👍 keep on keeping on ✌️
Good point! I perhaps should have mentioned that….
Having owned my K1600GTLe and using it for exactly what’s it’s meant for I can honestly state that given the option again I would definitely buy my K1600 again. I’ve ridden the GW on an extended time period (3 months) and whilst a great bike I found that it didn’t live up to the BMW. It had lower luggage capacity, lower tank range and a less nimble ride. So again for me the K1600 rules in every sense. And now with the RP6 GT’s the road holding is further enhanced and my love affair with the inline 6 has started again!!!! Damn that K1600 is way too good
Glad you like it and thanks for watching!
I guess it depends on your age. I am 64. My 2021 K1600B fully loaded with every option available would fly. But my back hurt like hell after 40 miles. BMW do not sell a seat that offers a back rest. So I had to search for a seat that would connect up with my OEM heating connector. That seat had a back rest but the bike was never comfortable to me. Further, BMW are top heavy, maintenance costs are sky high and no maintenance manual is available. At my age going fast is no longer the issue. I would be happy with 125HP. HD are only have 105HP.
I’m 63 and ended up getting a custom made saddle that has a backrest so I use it a lot. Longest ride continuous was 19 hours only stopping for fuel and natural breaks. Was fresh when I got to the end in Barcelona
Making a video like this with split dialogue even if it's only a little is pretty damn hard an I appreciate the effort. Top video.
Thank you for noticing Vinja!
Cost of ownership on the GW will be a fraction of that on the K bike as miles add up. Love the blue!
I have owned a '07 K1200GT, a '06 K1200S, and now a '17 K1600GT. All 3 bikes have been very reliable. Only need tires and oil changes. I paid $10K less for my '17 K1600GT (fully loaded with all options and all accessories) than the Honda dealer wanted for a '18 Goldwing. That extra $10K buys many sets of tires.
Great comparison review . Having purchased one after going on a test ride having watched your original review Andy, one thing not mentioned which I really like in summer on my K16 are the air-scoops to get much more airflow to me.
Yes good call!
You also get a lot of heat from the k1600’s engin in summer. Don’t know how the Goldwing feels in hot days
Honda wipes the floor with the bmw
Totally agree, in terms of quality and reliability its not a contest .
Hi Andy. I would suggest you try aK1600 get. Different in its seating position and feel to the gtl. Both these machines are the pinnacle of cruising comfort. Even at this level, thank goodness we have a choice. For me , like many others, it’s a choice we’d gladly make given the money to spend. Thanks for the excellent content.
A major issue I found when I owned the Goldwing was not being able to remove the panniers. When touring being able to take a loaded pannier into accomodation was much easier than unpacking pannier bags which wasted a lot of the limited pannier space.
Yes true - we find packing in packing cubes works well...
I always buy case liners for my touring bikes. Then just open the case, remove the liner and carry it into the hotel. Much lighter and easier to carry than a hard case covered in dirt and rain.
The "Lugging about test" summed it up for me with these bikes. Just far too big for a lot of people to manoeuvre around at standstill. As soon as your motorbike has a reverse gear, surely that states it's too big?! Just think there's plenty of bikes that will do everything these bikes do-and more! Still-each to their own I guess. A great video as usual Andy....great editing comparing the two. 👍🏼
Thanks!
I agree, good luck to people who feel they need this size and can manage it, but for me it's only a matter of time before not being able to wheel the bike around easily becomes a liability.
@@yorkshireperson Yorkshire. 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Extraordinary work on editing of the video! This can be a very difficult choice. It’s imperative, starting by ride test both, and from that point, building the decision . Thank you for the excellent Bikes comparison in depth video👌🏻
Thank you very much!
Andy,
Just wanted to thank you for this comparison, I was ready to buy a K1600GTL but changed and ordered my Dct Tour this morning.
Cheers Tim
Glad I could help! Let me know how you get on with the 'Wing!
I love my 2021 Goldwing Tour DCT. I looked at the K1600 and decided it also wouldn’t have been as comfortable for a passenger. It did look like the panniers were removable on the BMW so that would be nice.
My wife wanted the new Goldwing for comfort. I held out for the K1600GT because of the sportier engine. Last summer we rode from central British Columbia to California and back. She said she was very comfortable on the K1600GT. We have a GTL top case and arm rests on our '17 K1600 GT.
Thanks
Cracking review buddy, I currently tour on our r1200rt with my wife, but she struggles getting on and off! Looking for something different and these two are on our radar along with an Indian Challenger or chieftain. I'm also 5'8" and your points on top heaviness' has steered me away from the BMW. Think I need a test ride on the Gold wing! Thanks again.
You’ll love it!
Epic! You are amazing with your reviews and editing! I've got a white 2018 DCT but that blue is intoxicating! Nicely done!
Thanks! 👍
Well done mr.Flyer..excellent review of these two primos.
Thank you kindly
Nice to have a balanced and well presented review. Some on RUclips are so "up" themselves........but this chap I like!!
I appreciate that!
Excellent review TMF, personally I prefer the RT but out of the two you made the right call on the Goldwing, beautiful machine 👍
Thanks 👍
Thank you for this review - about as fair a comparison as one can find on YT! I've owned two HD touring bikes and a BMW K 1600 Grand America but don't own any at the moment. While I liked the power of the GA it had a bit of the wiggles at highway speeds and I didn't like that at all. Right now I'd go with the GW if I was to buy another. Thanks again. BTW, being a rider in the US the tight streets and close hedges in the UK (beside riding on a different side of the street!) would make me a nervous rider!
You’re not the first American to say that!
Nice review. I love the idea of that hot rod BMW engine in theory but in practice the Honda won me over 4 years ago when I found a Candy Ardent Red DCT Wing Bagger. The bike is pure magic. I've actually returned 63 MPG on a short 30 mile loop through the country at 50 MPH in 7th gear wafting along like a feather in the wind. Of course the jetting home on the interstate at 80 drops that figure below 50 but just thought I'd mention it as a point of interest. Nobody buys a big tourer for the mileage.
Wow that's impressive! I'm ashamed to say I've never worked out the "economy" I get on mine.....
I really like the direct back and forth format, very nicely done! That blue on the Goldwing is beautiful, one day I’ll have one.