I Was Groomed Into Drug Trafficking At 14 | Minutes With
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2023
- In this episode of Minutes With we sat down with Manny Gullam, who told us his story of being groomed into drug trafficking operation known as County Lines.
Manny told us how he got from trading cocaine, crack and heroin on the streets miles away from home at a young age to finding a way out of drug trafficking.
Thank you to Manny for taking part! You can join and support Manny’s boxing career by emailing him at mannymohamed820@gmail.com or Farida.gullam@hotmail.co.uk
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He just needed some positive role models in his life. Obviously switched on, smart and very self aware - glad he has broken free from that life. Good luck with Computer Science G wish you all the best
Well said
I'm a gringo that has lived in Costa Rica for 16 years. Without question people are products of their environment
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The amount of young people that are extremely talented but just don’t have the opportunity to show there talent is unbelievable,
I mean if a young kid from an underprivileged area/family is amazing at golf/tennis they aren’t going to be able to get the same opportunity as a young lad from a well off family, it’s be almost impossible for a youngster from a single parent low income family to pursue golf so he will pursue something else,
@@bennwoodbridge2117it’s more the parents and role models. Look at the Williams sisters…..grew up in Compton, very little money but they had very supportive and attentive parents.
It's a blessing your mum never gave up on you.well done for seeing the error of your ways and turning your life around. Best of luck for your future young man
He's a handsome, well-spoken, and intelligent young man. He's definitely learnt from his mistakes. He'll be successful in whatever he chooses to pursue in the future 😍🙏.
Glad this is finally being called what it is, grooming! Many young boys in this country fall victim to this and it's never called grooming because people think it's grooming if there's a sexual element, but that's not true.
This is not grooming these boy do things way before getting lines. Then they get put on which isn't grooming it's what they live for everything covered for them. Did he get groomed into carrying a knife or groomed into assaults or groomed into smoking weed. It's a excuse and not putting your hands up for your wrong doings which means they have not changed they are playing victims.
@@fernandotorress100the carrying a knife and assault charges came after the alleged grooming so im not sure what your point is here?
It is grooming because the adults see that they are vulnerable and exploit that. A minor's brain is still developing, they are easily manipulated and whether you like it or not, it is grooming. Also a lot of kids that do this in cities like London come from poor backgrounds, they see the olders have nice trainers, money to pay their bills etc and this draws them in. Then those olders exploit them. Simple. @@fernandotorress100
@@esho2279 So he was groomed into that? I grew up around dealing and dealers this term Grooming was first used by Marvin Herbert. I personally do not accept this as grooming although I am sure there is some cases that come close to a form of grooming. But too many kids think they can now just excuse everything they did of their own free will as not their fault or any responsibility at all. This is harmful to true long term change he even states stopped because of the sentences getting handed out not an awakening of morals
@@fernandotorress100 If an adult manipulates, entices or bribes a minor/young adult into something, it’s grooming. No matter how much you cannot accept it, it’s fact. The actions after are a different story but everything before that is grooming
It’s crazy, I was born and grew up in Barking during primary school, then went to a grammar school in Essex, Chelmsford. I’m at Uni now, doing computer science, and me and him are so similar but so different. I defo feel like my life could have been his and his life mine if we had different role models / people around us, so I guess your environment does play such a significant role. Happy to see he’s on a better path now, god bless
Great to hear how helpful his probation officer was too. So proud of the changes this young man has made and big up mum too, the most influential😊 in all of this xx
Drugs, poverty, and desperation are such insidious things; unless we bring them out into the light there's no hope for actually making a change.
Poverty the big one thats got people in the west. Some in the west think they are not living in poverty but FYI:
The nation is trillions in DEBT. The money we use is 'promissory notes' (promises to pay) which means we have NOTHING we are in debt and operating on promises for the future.
And thus we are all in minus figures big time. Far far far from wealthy, we ain't even 1p/1c above ZERO.
Peace be upon you.
Esa Al-Injeelizi
If they legalised and regulated drugs it would fix so many of society’s problems. It sounds insane but the fact of the matter is people will always buy drugs just as they always bought alcohol, even during American Prohibition laws. If you made sugar illegal there would be criminal gangs running that, and diluting their product with all sorts of crap to make it go further and make more money.
Legalising and regulating these substances is the only way to protect people who need a crutch like drugs from greater danger, and if they were provided proper facilities like the one just opened in Scotland it would make it less likely that they’d leave their needles etc around to pose a threat to others. They’re not bad people they’re just in a bad way and need help and they won’t get it from gangsters. Whether someone uses drugs or not someone they know may, and may go from being someone they knew to someone they still love but can’t reach. The least we can do as a society is ensure those people aren’t also victims to criminals and those who will exploit their predicament.
Londoners are in poverty, how ridiculously privileged to suggest such things...Google 1920s East End children, thats poverty!
Kids in London today have 500 times the opportunity of those in rural Europe, and 1000s of times the funds spent on them.
It's all an excuse for laziness and quick money attitude.
@@worldsforlivingpeople like you add to the problem. Poverty is relative and not absolute, so comparing the level of today’s poverty to 10 BC solves nothing you pleb 😂
this is so common. happening with school aged students. I work with them and their stories are insane. make sure u speak openly with your children and have positive people around them. don't scold them for asking questions and be honest. get them counselling and love them hard. x
The fact he’s seen the mistake that he’s made removed himself from it and is now focused on what’s good for him is something to be proud of ! Well done you’re smashing it. 💙
Salute those who stumble into the dark and find their way out .
I’m so happy he turned his life around 👏 best of luck in uni. Keep moving forward brother you will achieve great things
Heartwarming interview, glad this guy got out and hope that many others do too as there are many that have no support at all. I've seen runners that looked to be less than 12 years old. I relate to this as I was manipulated into selling drugs as a teenager by my mother's abusive partner, my actual dad was never there for me and most of the people I grew up with had the same problem in that we didn't have positive male role models and looked up to the hard men and gangsters. I got out of it and went to uni and stuff but realised that I could sell drugs there and so moved stuff up to sell to students and after some tragedies in my family, I went into the "hard food" side of it all and did this in different parts of the country on and off over the years. The county lines thing either wasn't a thing then or at least wasn't defined in the way that it is now but I think it always starts with grooming and manipulation, lack of opportunities, lack of positive role models, different kinds of abuse, fear, anger, lashing out and more. But it is a rigged game and it never ends well for people unless they get out (and you can get out, without snitching too, if you're not too deep into it, but some people are in too deep before they even know it and that's why they use kids).
The big guys who never get caught and who bring it in, from import to wholesale to large supply - the ones who seem to be around forever - usually have some kind of relationship with law enforcement or at least have access to corruption within institutions that allow them to prosper, and plenty of the top guys snitch all the time. But the kids who you see acting like badmen, carrying knives, stabbing each other over BS and all that, the ones who say "snitches get stitches", these are expendable. The higher up it goes, the more ruthless the people are and the snitching rule only applies to lower level crooks for the most part (I'm sure that some big guys have gone a long way without snitching but usually they will at least have some friends in CID or wherever... through the Lodge and all that...). It is a dirty, nasty game but it wont end as it generates £billions and only a minority of that is stashed under mattresses, and even that is technically laundered into the mainstream economy via buying expensive trainers and all that. Now that grooming is seen as a vital part of this whole process, as well as exploitation in the general sense, hopefully the right people can get the right help and we can move towards harm-reduction based approaches rather than seeing this as a primarily criminal issue. Stories like the one shown here by LADbible help society come to terms with these truths.
Well done Hun! There is light at the end of the tunnel. Now you can be a role model to these young men. I truly see you in schools and youth centres and colleges, talking about your story and the 380 turn around you have accomplished. Salute to you hun 🥰🙏🏾
Amazing how many of these stories are from a broken home, no male role model to show them right or wrong, not always an excuse but it goes a long way to have a solid mum and dad there for you
Keep walking your path, Manny. I left my line 32 years ago, the best thing I ever did. Dream and believe. Good on ya.
I’m glad he made the right choice to leave that life and change everything. Us mothers just keep on loving our kids, hoping one day they’ll return…. Heartbreaking really, been in that situation with my son.
what happened to your son if you dont mind me asking?
@@swingeringg none of your business
@@mojo4569 nobody asked you. Move along. Stop speaking for other people.
@@Bubble170 lool 😂😂😂
@@faridahgullam421 yes he is thank you
Fathers, please stay in your child’s life!
Mothers, please don't deprive your children of access to their fathers.
Intelligent , older and wiser keep going
Well impressed with your attitude to your mum dude. She cares bro, you're doing the right thing, stay focused and think of the pain you caused when things go a bit south. Please keep real love conquers all. Good luck for the future. 🙏🏿💜👊🏾
Happy he’s on the right path ❤
Fair play to this man and also to his mum for not giving up on him
Well bless his heart!
Seems like a nice boy. Caught up in a life style when he was a child. It’s appealing to kids who don’t have any other job opportunities. Glad he made it out the other side. Good luck to him
I appreciate this so much, thank you Manny for sharing and LADbible for the video.
It's so normal for people to brush off others with name-calling and judgement from afar, but the why and how of where we get to where we are in life is way more important.
Word choice makes such a difference as well, groomed into drug trafficking vs blaming the individual and labelling them to distance oneself.
❤amazing story ❤️🔥
He's very honest and takes a lot of responsibility. Glad he's been able to turn it around without jailtime.
Glad he's got his act together and seems to be doing well.
So glad he got out and now has positive focuses and better relationships! Grooming of kids& teenagers into drug dealing is endemic in this country and the social and economic problems at the root of the issue need addressing as its the only way to solve this problem. My heart goes out to this lad and all the other kids who have been abused by older men like this.
@@faridahgullam421 yeah they catch kids at such a crucial developmental stage when their brains are so malleable and they’re looking for affirmation and external role models for guidance and how to behave in society. It’s terrible. He’s really lucky to have such a caring and supportive mum though, maybe things would not have turned out so positively if he didn’t have her to ultimately guide him. He’s a strong lad but unfortunately that’s not the reality for all these kids sucked into this lifestyle. Compassion always
@@faridahgullam421 you did your absolute best and Manny makes it very clear how grateful he is to have you. I hope you sleep easy now he is out and has turned his trajectory around. So many people in these comments don’t think before they judge and are honestly so sheltered and lacking empathy. Much love to you both, please tell Manny thank you for doing this interview, being so strong and bringing light/new perspective to this issue. You’re both so strong!
Well done lad, can be hard to break away from that lifestyle. Respect to you 🤗
It would be interesting to see one of those officers working with those kids talking about his experiences.
I hope he has a wonderful rest of his life. 💖🙏
You seem intellegent and like a wise young man. Well done for turning a new leaf. You seem good, try not to let your past define you. There is much to be said for not having a father figure and being an angry young man as a result was probably inevitable. Anger stems from many other emotions, hurt, sadness, shame etc but its also really impressive to recognise that youre behaviour was damaging others at the time you were going through that. Glad youve reunited with your mum again. You should hold your head high.
Real guy man, hope is succeeds with boxing and CS 📈
Met so many young lads like him when I was using, sad situation all round.
I see people dealing and doing drugs nearly everyday on the streets in Brighton. The place has been turned upside down over the last few years.
Thanks dad
When caught these people who groom KIDS need to put on a register that bars them from any contact/interaction with children.
This is heart-warming, this guy ain't a bad guy. Just got caught up. Please stay on the straight and narrow, coz it is narrow. All the best.
Keep going straight, keep focused. So glad you saw what you were doing made no sence and are now doing the right thing
God bless him.
How heartless to teach children to use and sell drugs 😢
such an intelligent lad, glad your out of it mate.
Hes a smart guy just got caught it shitty circumstances
Thing is, money's value is distorted by age. The younger you are, the more you view money more than the original value. For example, we all viewed £10 as like £1000 back when we were children. To them, they don't realise legally you can earn more than the illegal way without endangering yourself.
"My mum's my best friend" - ❤
Good on him for changing his life around. He seen the bigger picture 🖼️
well done to you and your mum
one advice i give as a black woman is please if you can read or not introduce your children
as soon as they are a few months old to books
let them touch, open them surround them with different colourful books read to them everyday if you can
read if not hire somebody as soon as the child is a year old to read to the child everyday for 5 minutes
when he is older introduce him to self help and psychology books then creative writing etc
they will become articulate authors of music poem script motivational speakers as simple as that
drugs have become easy money let us change the story and use the beautiful brains God gave us
Not a chance my man was making 2 bags a week from cunch at 15 would be lucky to even get 5 bills
But he said “best week” implying he didn’t usually make £2k
He was re upping on food so he kept a percentage of what he sold
@@omertatv3085no runner makes 2 bags a week profit, it ain't happening ak loool
*These comments are weird and I can tell that many of you don’t understand what ‘grooming’ actually means. Most of these ‘children’ are ‘working’ for older men who should know better, who have come from situations like them and yet still choose to lead (vulnerable children) down a road that they know usually won’t end very well. I don’t agree with absolutely anything this young boy has done but I’ve seen more positive comments under videos where people have done much worse.*
Exactly.
You know why that is
@@brownskinbeauty.exactly
@@brownskinbeauty. I’m not even saying it’s a race thing because I’ve actually seen more positive comments under videos *with black people* who have done much worse, if I’m being honest. I’ve never seen a ladbible comment section quite like this before, it’s very interesting. Maybe they believe he lacks sincerity but it’s not our place to judge peoples story, the fact is that he isn’t doing it anymore and if his story can even stop just one young person for taking this path then that’s what these videos are all about.
Don't use the word grooming, so disrespectful to thousands of young girls repeatedly raped through fear.
Softly softly is why children in England think they can carry knifes and blades and sell drugs for easy money.
Bet he never got up at 5am to do a paper round or washed cars after school, too much like hard work
sounds like ladbible have ran out of people to interview
Went through all that and still not working! Constantly changing university courses and boxing training is the most important! Jeez!!!
This world is full of evil people, bored evil people, we would all be rich & wealthy, the evil people really should move out of the way
Parents need to a better job to stop their kids from being groomed
what advice do u have for parents on how to do that?
2 bags a week, damn his guy was generous lol most man were paying 100-150 a day to child runners
End prohibition and stop gifting a multibillion dollar business to a lawless, violent black market.
Chelmsford is a nice and expensive area, but he still turned out bad
Disappointed in the comments tbh...best of luck to Manny
Rookie numbers. In Sweden it’s age 10 or younger.
still wearing a lycra balaclava though!
Great that he’s close with his mum but I don’t know how she could have known he was selling ‘soft’ drugs as he may call it and seemingly not do anything. She seemed to be shocked when he was selling hard drugs but he shouldn’t be selling any drugs.
What could she do? He's leaving the house and she can't stop him.
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£2k at £100 per 80pcs sold
20 80 packs, 1,600pcs
In a week say 230pcs/day
Assume 12 hours a day, 19pcs/hr
That's assuming no shrinkage or breakage.. and you really are on percentage
If selling light and dark, and you have the best product... 20 bits an hour, every hour... certainly seems doable.
But nobody wants to say, I got abused and made no money going cunch like a dickhead and making 300 a week gross, and on a bad week being set up into indented labour via "robbery".
Its a cold world. I'm not saying he is lying, but any youngsters hearing "2k a week" could well misconstrue the moral of this story..
Child Criminal Exploitation CCE.
He's chatting waff, he used to get sent shop to grab the man Mirinda 😂
Matthew 18:6
Where in Chelmsford he from?
He lived in Coates Quay then moved to Byron Road, it took a long time to get him out of the community.
My full comments are added on a comment thread added today (07/10/23)
@@Mr-WD40 oh I know Byron road, right near tesco express Broomfield road.
He’s a lot younger than me, I got out from that negative life back in 2014 that’s prob why I don’t know him. Good luck to him and his future, he seems like a bright lad he’ll do well
Byron Road, is off Navigation Road, near Travis Perkins in the City.
How mad a society we live in - i never thought i would find the man that terrorised the area i used to live being praised on social media!!
I use to live in Navigation Road in Chelmsford where Manny was prevalent, he was an absolute scumbag. He created a circle of crime, supplying mostly to homeless people, who couldn't afford anything, so they stole from local business, the same homeless people you see spaced out or begging in the high-street. You would see Manny walk into the back alleys where there would be a conveyor of users ready to be supplied, absolute madness and you wouldn't believe it unless you saw it. He was so obvious, he stuck out like a sore thumb, so stupid.
Good for him for changing his lifestyle, however he's still bowling around smoking weed, and he was still actively dealing 24-18 months ago.
He was selfish then, thinking only of himself to have materialistic lifestyle, destroying lives and a community.
If he really wants to make a change he will go back to those communities and fix what damage he created, help the people who he pushed drugs onto to change their lives.......... but he wont, he'll continue looking for social media gratitude and learning how to fight in case he goes to prison, which is the only reason he learnt to fight, because he was was a skinny drip and would have been destroyed by real men in prison.
The fact that he's portraying Chelmsford (City!) as a retirement area with one bus an hour tells a lot about where his head is at - he still seems bitter about the area that stood up to oust someone who is a narcissistic pr**k.
Manny - go back to the areas you poisoned and fix the wrong you created........ but he wont! Prove me wrong.
Man was defo pushing a q weekly😂
Trust my man waffling bout 2 bags a week more time he probably got bumped like
why is lad bible got young gs snitching on themselves
Can't snitch if you are out of the game
what d'ya want, a medal?
How was he groomed if he was already selling willingly.. everyone was to be a victim these days
The correct word is groomed it’s not a victim thing even me I hate when people victimise themselves but these boys get groomed n it’s sad
The definition of the county lines is super wrong lol
Black fathers should C this & understand that when u ain't around, this is wot go on...😢😮
TBFair dad's in general should c this & understand...
I pray 4 all single parent families. Ya already a few moves behind!
So sad!!😮
I don’t understand, these children are born from a mother, where is their mother? My son hanged out with me until he was 21yrs age, my son loved my company, he loved his parents
It's not purely parenting sometimes people are pulled or forced into it and the parents can do nothing about it
Mmhh
Snap.
Fit
I'm better looking
Good for him if this is true but Fck me the way he describes bagging it up n all that seems bullshit
He was getting 5 bills a week he didn't get no 2 bags 🤣
Yeah cause you’d know all about that wouldn’t you … big man shottaaaa😂😂😂 probs sat in your mums house calling DwP fighting for benefits and your on here tryin to act tough … fuckin neeeeeek
Not worth it even if he got 2k week can’t rent or buy has business mind do something else just different product
“I don’t know my dad……” how utterly surprising. Same old story. People must do better
Men must do better. Men are the Dads.
He was literally answering a question not using it as an excuse. Whichever way you wanna see it , when a parental figure is absent in a child’s life , it will always cause them some kind of trauma. He had no role model to guide him into becoming a man. He learnt it off the streets and luckily enough he actually didn’t need a dad to help guide him in the right path! I’m glad he turned his life around ❤ 💪
- keep your useless criticism to yourself. It ain’t helping anyone
Don’t even pay attention to the stupid comments. Some people just love the attention.
No need to thank me. I don’t know you or your son but your sons story has touched my heart ❤️ im so happy he chose the right path and im glad he has a strong mama in his life who didn’t leave his side. Don’t blame yourself for what he went through it’s not your fault. You did the right thing in sticking by him through thick and thin. 👏
I grew up without my father and know exactly what it can feel like. Some kids go down the dark road and some never find their way. You should be very proud of your son ❤ he seems very bright with a beautiful soul.
That’s how groomers work, they target kids with dads/ adult figures not in the house and the parents that are too busy working round the clock. Schools are too overwhelmed to inspire these kids. Groomers offer friendship and hope
Very handsome
This guy, is he Muslim? I ask because of this name on the email. Anyway, he is a good-looking guy. Some of these drug dealers are handsome young men and I don’t know why they don’t either try and model or use their charms to charm an employer in an interview for a job.
One also has to wonder if these good-looking young dealers also fall foul of any other predators?!
Lastly, is he actually wearing a bally? I initially thought it was a durag but it looks like a bally.
If it is a bally, why is he still wearing that?
Wave cap not bally
Once again zero roles models so is it any wonder why these kids go into this world. His poor mum, she clearly worked her arse off and this guy just disrespected her... shame on you son
L
They all have one thing in common,
‘Baby Farda’ (Dad) was nowhere around,
No father figure, no guidance, no discipline, & no chance
Until you’ve been there you won’t understand how it can affect a child’s growth and outlook on life. Please don’t judge x
This sounds scripted
snitch
wow, i was 11 and realised money was to be made from selling weed. its not grooming. its called being bored and broke.
Turned off 2 minutes in - I grew up without a ‘father figure’ - a ‘town full of old people’ and my mates ‘dealt’ - didn’t turn to dealing. Only himself to blame
Loads of people in the same situ, didn't take his path. Well said.
I don't get it, how was he groomed?
He seemed to do what he wanted to do.
Do you even know what the word means?
Mumble mumble mumble. Can't even hear mandem
Dude’s lips wiped out an entire day care… probably 😂
This story isn’t unique at all. Unfortunately.
How was this 1 "groomed" into dealing?.. Don't sound like it to me.
Then you need to brush up on tactics used to bring the young children in to do the dirty work since many will never suspect a child as a mule.
What does it sound like to you?
If you listen to his story, he describes it for you.
If you say so... Sounds like he enjoyed what he was doing NOT forced.
@@ka_4734 You don't need to take my word for it. Do your own research.
Also works the same way with child predators and pedophiles.
He was underage so whether he thought he enjoyed it or not, an adult was taking advantage of him and using him to do his dirty work by fantasising that lifestyle.
@@DaniOlive72 Thank you, perfectly stated.
I wonder how many lives you've upset with your acting up ways,
I know many lads who've had no father, brought up with little money and don't carry on like like you did.
Not everyone is the same, some people are more easily influenced than others you gremlin.
Very true, but you can't judge since you didn't walk in his shoes. If you listen to the entire segment, it is all explained.
@@naomiemoore5725 I don't need to listen to the whole segment,
He's a scumdog, who's learnt from other scumdogs to act this way amongst civilised people,
Its seen and played out every day in our schools, our estates,
Excuses upon excuses are made for them, just like your doing now!
He was like 14 ffs give it a rest
Is that what you say about children who are groomed into sex work?
Groomed 🤣 probably 25% of younger people in poorer areas/estates have done exactly what he says he has, some people stay in the lifestyle and some don't it's not complicated
Yeah because they are children who have adults taking advantage of them.
It doesn't have to be "complicated" in order for it to be grooming.
@@blahbloop6310people just say anything in these comments to sound different or clever 😂
You clearly don’t know what grooming is. A *grown man* in his early to late 20s or even older befriends your 11-12 year old child, knowing that they come from an under privileged background with little to no proper male guidance and tries to encourage them to sell drugs by using those things against them, knowing that more than likely it will end badly, got these kids half way across the country and their parents (if they care) don’t know where they are? That sounds ok in your brain? 🤔
@@blahbloop6310 what I'm saying is it's minor what he done and is very common
Am i doe……is it doe…..brap brap fam
Groomed 😂 na mate chatting breeze thur.... ya got grip n that's it 🙈
Bro go back to school and learn what grooming is.
Grooming - "form a relationship with (a child or young person) with the intention of sexually assaulting them or inducing them to commit an illegal act such as selling drugs or joining a terrorist organization."
@@Bubble170He should learn how to write legibly whilst he is at it
Absolutely boring , The worst interview on ladbible that I've seen .
Oh you poor thing
Snitch get slap on road