This is a bit of a throw back for Portsmouth and Waterloo. As a Portsmouth local I remember the 50s 73s 33s 47s and the old EMUs and thumpers before I started to admire rail . Blimey you have brought back memories for my short 52yrs of life . Would love to have seen Portsmouth during time with steam too. Thanks for sharing this fine video
Wow ! What a super rare video ! I learned something new. Never knew about the Brighton to Plymouth. Perhaps I erroneously assumed it went via Kensington Olympia. When the 4REPs were donating their traction motors to the Class 442s, some Waterloo - Portsmouth trains were worked by Class 73s. But I never sampled them west of Woking / Basingstoke. During 1988, I was sent to work at Portsmouth in a tower block overlooking Portsmouth & Southsea station. Watching Class 33s and the occasional Class 47s on the Salisbury / Bristol / Cardiff trains, I decided one lunch hour to bash to Cosham and back, as I also 'needed' the track around the curve. Then I decided to stretch my lunch hour to 3.5 hours, and do the Isle of Wight to Shanklin on 1922 stock. It was a cheek, but as I was serving my redundancy notice, I thought "What the hell !"
Happy days indeed! This working was Saturdays only, the ED only working the Portsmouth to Brighton section. There was a balancing working that left Plymouth and headed to Brighton. Have you seen my Bournemouth ED vid upload? See it here ruclips.net/video/57tr07SKmw4/видео.html
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Thanks for that. I have seen that video. Another great time capsule that you kindly preserved for future generations to enjoy. Odd to think of the Class 73/9s on the Caledonian Sleepers (Highland Beds: Fort William, Aberdeen and Inverness). I have done the Class 73/9 from Fort William, but I have yet to sample the Mark 5 sleepers.
……Havant, Fratton, Portsmouth & Southsea and Portsmouth Harbour. Where the ‘big trains’ went (as I called them) when I saw them at Dorking as a kid in the 70s. That and Bognor Regis. It was so bloody exciting. I was always so impressed with all the people on those trains. Why were they going there. The people at the bar in the restaurant car.
Brings back the memories..., My Grandfather used to work for British Rail in the 70's as a ticket inspector on the upper platforms (Top of the stairs) at Portsmouth and Southsea, so I used to get on to the platforms to do trainspotting, and just watch the trains come and go. December 1990 was when i emigrated to Australia.
Quite an interesting station, being on two levels. Great for video....I hope you've found some railway action in Aus, they did have some BR licensed built HST's (known as XPT i believe) but only the power cars, the coaching stock was to an Australian design.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Yes The XPT fleet are currently used on services from Sydney to Dubbo, Grafton, Casino, Brisbane and Melbourne. www.weekendnotes.com/im/000/04/train-xpt-sydney-brisbane-economy2.JPG Being in Melbourne now, I get the Vlocity 160's doing the country services, and the Metro trains for the suburban services, and yes do not forget the trams in Melbourne. ruclips.net/video/t5D7DqpFPHU/видео.html (Vlocity trains)
Wow..have I died and gone Network Southeast Heaven. The first station views are amazing, the station is such an odd shape on so many levels.. once again thanks for sharing.
No worries, i'm pleased you like it. As i used to live & work in the south east i have a lot of NSE footage, there is plenty more to go up! As well as all over the UK of course.....you won't get bored for a while!
How that area has changed! Station looks the same as it did back then but the surrounding area is full of 20+ story uni blocks, I should know I’m in one of them. Great video!
It was a Saturday only working from Brighton to Plymouth, there was a balancing working in reverse as well. I never rode it at this end but did get this on film happily.....
50017 was looking decidedly weary. There weren't many of them left by that time were there. And there were still 2 HAPs around then? I thought it was a Thumper at first but the Southampton line was electrified by then, wasn't it.
The 50's were at the end of their time when i filmed this. I was lucky to get a 50, in January i was at Newton Abbot (first part of trip uploaded here ruclips.net/video/Q0tepQ_DIMo/видео.html) and the Brighton Plymouth (this working) was an NSE 47! I recall the HAP's ended up coupled in pairs and running with the EPB units on the North Kent routes, the middle cabs not in use and painted black!
I know Eastleigh was electrified around May 1990, through Fareham, to portsmouth to allow the Portsmouth to Waterloo, via Eastlegh Replacing the 205/207 Slam Door DMU's with 421/423 EMU's. So it would have been about the same time they started 421's and 423's out to Southampton as well. I do not know how long it took them after that to replace the Class 50's from the full Salisbury / Bristol / Cardiff runs. I remember coming back from Fareham, I always tried to get on the Class 50 express back to pompey, but this one day, the express gets held up on a red aspect roughly at Copnor, driver gets out and picks up the phone (you could open the windows back then), hangs up and gets back in.. green aspect and off we go again. We get to Fratton, and we point out to one of the siding lines beside the platforms, and there are 2 205/207's hogging both inbound platforms at Fratton, and we got permission to skip ahead of them. And there was a Class 50 waiting down the line between Fratton and Portsmouth & Southsea waiting for us to come through so it could follow. Back then, Fratton was a Stopper station, with Waterloo and Cardiff Expresses skipping the stop, but they all stop there now. And from memory, there was one service a day, that even skipped Cosham, so Portsmouth and Southsea, Fareham, Southampton (And onwards to Cardiff).
It wasn't a surprise to see The Cromptons or Class 33's working The Portsmouth-Bristol cross country services until around 1989/90. nowadays i think Class 158's work them which have since been extended to Cardiff from Bristol.
They always were a Portsmouth to Cardiff working! That's how Cromptons got onto North Wales workings back in the 80s. Once they were at Cardiff they were diagrammed on to the Cardiff-Crewe workings and some escaped and worked along the North Wales coast to Holyhead, not bad for a Southern Region engine! By the mid 80s the Cromptons were cut back to Bristol only where a 47 would drop on/off for the working to & from Cardiff (see vid here ruclips.net/video/FX1qwkzb2aI/видео.html) and from May 88 class 155's took over (one of which is on this vid), later 156's and as you say now 158's. The 33's wern't booked on the West of Englands by 1990 but always covered for failures right up to the Summer of 1993 when loco hauled workings ceased.
Used to have to catch them from Fareham to P & S (and back) for school from 79 to 84. St Edmund's was to the left of the footbridge in this vid. The old Cromptons were excellent locomotives.
Was the 73 running ECS ? What was the 50 working ? Portsmouth to Manchester ? (I knew 33s from Portsmouth to Bristol and Cardiff. 47s to.Dover and 47s from Poole.)
I think 4302 was indeed a 2 HAP. At some point some of these were formed into 4 car units with the middle cab fronts painted black. They were then inter-mixed with the EPB units on theNorth Kent routes.
The EPB's on the North Kent line i think finished in around 1995 and any HAP units with them also (at least on that route). I will at some point upload a visit to Waterloo East where i filmed quite a few EPB+HAP's.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I remember the 4car units they made up and the driver ends painted out, I used to think it was a bit strange at the time. The major draw back with those trains is once your on your stuck in the carriage until the next station as you cannot walk thru (no gangways) not ideal if you happen to get on a carriage and some nutter is in the same! My favourite for the time was the Kent coast 4 CEP. They were alot nicer than the scruffy epbs and 4vep. Enjoyed your video thanks 👍👍👍👍
This is a bit of a throw back for Portsmouth and Waterloo. As a Portsmouth local I remember the 50s 73s 33s 47s and the old EMUs and thumpers before I started to admire rail . Blimey you have brought back memories for my short 52yrs of life . Would love to have seen Portsmouth during time with steam too. Thanks for sharing this fine video
A fantastic snapshot of this time period! Thank you!
My pleasure.... an early start for me to get there as i recall.... lol
Wow ! What a super rare video ! I learned something new. Never knew about the Brighton to Plymouth. Perhaps I erroneously assumed it went via Kensington Olympia. When the 4REPs were donating their traction motors to the Class 442s, some Waterloo - Portsmouth trains were worked by Class 73s. But I never sampled them west of Woking / Basingstoke. During 1988, I was sent to work at Portsmouth in a tower block overlooking Portsmouth & Southsea station. Watching Class 33s and the occasional Class 47s on the Salisbury / Bristol / Cardiff trains, I decided one lunch hour to bash to Cosham and back, as I also 'needed' the track around the curve. Then I decided to stretch my lunch hour to 3.5 hours, and do the Isle of Wight to Shanklin on 1922 stock. It was a cheek, but as I was serving my redundancy notice, I thought "What the hell !"
Happy days indeed! This working was Saturdays only, the ED only working the Portsmouth to Brighton section. There was a balancing working that left Plymouth and headed to Brighton. Have you seen my Bournemouth ED vid upload? See it here ruclips.net/video/57tr07SKmw4/видео.html
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Thanks for that. I have seen that video. Another great time capsule that you kindly preserved for future generations to enjoy. Odd to think of the Class 73/9s on the Caledonian Sleepers (Highland Beds: Fort William, Aberdeen and Inverness). I have done the Class 73/9 from Fort William, but I have yet to sample the Mark 5 sleepers.
Great seeing classic traction on the southern region 🤩
What a unique station, will look forward to the other footage of it
I do have some more from there......
……Havant, Fratton, Portsmouth & Southsea and Portsmouth Harbour. Where the ‘big trains’ went (as I called them) when I saw them at Dorking as a kid in the 70s. That and Bognor Regis. It was so bloody exciting. I was always so impressed with all the people on those trains. Why were they going there. The people at the bar in the restaurant car.
Ha! Fancy seeing 73 109, which is still going strong today...
Brings back the memories..., My Grandfather used to work for British Rail in the 70's as a ticket inspector on the upper platforms (Top of the stairs) at Portsmouth and Southsea, so I used to get on to the platforms to do trainspotting, and just watch the trains come and go.
December 1990 was when i emigrated to Australia.
Quite an interesting station, being on two levels. Great for video....I hope you've found some railway action in Aus, they did have some BR licensed built HST's (known as XPT i believe) but only the power cars, the coaching stock was to an Australian design.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Yes The XPT fleet are currently used on services from Sydney to Dubbo, Grafton, Casino, Brisbane and Melbourne.
www.weekendnotes.com/im/000/04/train-xpt-sydney-brisbane-economy2.JPG
Being in Melbourne now, I get the Vlocity 160's doing the country services, and the Metro trains for the suburban services, and yes do not forget the trams in Melbourne.
ruclips.net/video/t5D7DqpFPHU/видео.html (Vlocity trains)
Wow..have I died and gone Network Southeast Heaven. The first station views are amazing, the station is such an odd shape on so many levels.. once again thanks for sharing.
No worries, i'm pleased you like it. As i used to live & work in the south east i have a lot of NSE footage, there is plenty more to go up! As well as all over the UK of course.....you won't get bored for a while!
Lovely video thank you for posting
Fab footage ❤️
How that area has changed! Station looks the same as it did back then but the surrounding area is full of 20+ story uni blocks, I should know I’m in one of them. Great video!
Thank you! It's been a while since i was there but i do have more footage from the late 1990s.
Soi Buakhao I look forward to it!
Soi Buakhao This footage is amazing, I’m so glad there’s more to come from this station. Great stuff
Fantastic shots nice video really like it
Thank you. It was just a few shots taken that day before i headed off to work but all history now!
I live in Portsmouth and I don't think I have ever seen a class 73 here! Admittedly I was 8 when this was shot
It was a Saturday only working from Brighton to Plymouth, there was a balancing working in reverse as well. I never rode it at this end but did get this on film happily.....
we get class 73s here often now, usually on the NR test trains..( usually once a month) or sometimes its class 37s
Remember those trains😭😭😭😭
50017 was looking decidedly weary. There weren't many of them left by that time were there. And there were still 2 HAPs around then? I thought it was a Thumper at first but the Southampton line was electrified by then, wasn't it.
The 50's were at the end of their time when i filmed this. I was lucky to get a 50, in January i was at Newton Abbot (first part of trip uploaded here ruclips.net/video/Q0tepQ_DIMo/видео.html) and the Brighton Plymouth (this working) was an NSE 47! I recall the HAP's ended up coupled in pairs and running with the EPB units on the North Kent routes, the middle cabs not in use and painted black!
I know Eastleigh was electrified around May 1990, through Fareham, to portsmouth to allow the Portsmouth to Waterloo, via Eastlegh Replacing the 205/207 Slam Door DMU's with 421/423 EMU's. So it would have been about the same time they started 421's and 423's out to Southampton as well.
I do not know how long it took them after that to replace the Class 50's from the full Salisbury / Bristol / Cardiff runs.
I remember coming back from Fareham, I always tried to get on the Class 50 express back to pompey, but this one day, the express gets held up on a red aspect roughly at Copnor, driver gets out and picks up the phone (you could open the windows back then), hangs up and gets back in.. green aspect and off we go again.
We get to Fratton, and we point out to one of the siding lines beside the platforms, and there are 2 205/207's hogging both inbound platforms at Fratton, and we got permission to skip ahead of them. And there was a Class 50 waiting down the line between Fratton and Portsmouth & Southsea waiting for us to come through so it could follow.
Back then, Fratton was a Stopper station, with Waterloo and Cardiff Expresses skipping the stop, but they all stop there now.
And from memory, there was one service a day, that even skipped Cosham, so Portsmouth and Southsea, Fareham, Southampton (And onwards to Cardiff).
It wasn't a surprise to see The Cromptons or Class 33's working The Portsmouth-Bristol cross country services until around 1989/90. nowadays i think Class 158's work them which have since been extended to Cardiff from Bristol.
They always were a Portsmouth to Cardiff working! That's how Cromptons got onto North Wales workings back in the 80s. Once they were at Cardiff they were diagrammed on to the Cardiff-Crewe workings and some escaped and worked along the North Wales coast to Holyhead, not bad for a Southern Region engine! By the mid 80s the Cromptons were cut back to Bristol only where a 47 would drop on/off for the working to & from Cardiff (see vid here ruclips.net/video/FX1qwkzb2aI/видео.html) and from May 88 class 155's took over (one of which is on this vid), later 156's and as you say now 158's. The 33's wern't booked on the West of Englands by 1990 but always covered for failures right up to the Summer of 1993 when loco hauled workings ceased.
I remember when it was a class 31 from Portsmouth to Bristol.
@@gibbo9089 Lucky you, before my time sadly.....
Used to have to catch them from Fareham to P & S (and back) for school from 79 to 84. St Edmund's was to the left of the footbridge in this vid. The old Cromptons were excellent locomotives.
thanks for sharing glad you were there to film this footage . did you ever see any other nse 73s pulling passenger coaches ?
This was a regular Saturday working at the time. The only other regular 73s on NSE workings are seen here ruclips.net/video/57tr07SKmw4/видео.html
Was the 73 running ECS ? What was the 50 working ? Portsmouth to Manchester ? (I knew 33s from Portsmouth to Bristol and Cardiff. 47s to.Dover and 47s from Poole.)
Sounded like a right soggy day
Just a bit! I had a plastic bag over the camera to keep it dry, you can hear the rain landing on it!
Where was that 8-coach Mark 2 rake going? Portsmouth-Exeter?
It was the Saturday's only Brighton to Plymouth via Exeter. There was also a working in the other direction as well.....
Nice one Soi
Thank you.....
Why the diesels on an electric line ? Presumably they've come from somewhere NOT electrified ?
Yes, they were on the Cardiff-Portsmouth service, no juice rails to Bristol & South Wales!
6:48 what's that train is it a 2 EPB or a 2 HAP?
I think 4302 was indeed a 2 HAP. At some point some of these were formed into 4 car units with the middle cab fronts painted black. They were then inter-mixed with the EPB units on theNorth Kent routes.
When did they last run may i ask?
The EPB's on the North Kent line i think finished in around 1995 and any HAP units with them also (at least on that route). I will at some point upload a visit to Waterloo East where i filmed quite a few EPB+HAP's.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I remember the 4car units they made up and the driver ends painted out, I used to think it was a bit strange at the time. The major draw back with those trains is once your on your stuck in the carriage until the next station as you cannot walk thru (no gangways) not ideal if you happen to get on a carriage and some nutter is in the same! My favourite for the time was the Kent coast 4 CEP. They were alot nicer than the scruffy epbs and 4vep. Enjoyed your video thanks 👍👍👍👍
@@toddhunter3137 I was on the CEP Farewell Tour....i will have to upload some film from that day......
london got new train back then the north got hardy out yet north still gets nothing yet london get a new fleet again to replace what is still new
The world has gone mad, the elites who run us are all southern, say no more!
Because we're worth it! x