Hands down best sex scene I've seen in years! Not just in BL. PERIOD. Least of the reasons being how explicit it was. Rather just how amazingly intimate and raw it was. 2 people sharing so much of each other with each other through making love. Remorse, desperation, reassurance, lust, adoration, joy and love! A bloody masterpiece!
exactly!!! so many different raw feelings at the same time so well delivered by these incredible actors that fully understood their characters and each other.... my favorite love scene ever
Yeah like this was explicit but yet so realistic portraying all the emotions it’s rarely this beautifully done in movies or series so really props to all the team and across especially
The fact that Kinn burst into tears, and cries on Porsche's shoulder, when Porsche pulls him into a hug, after they org*sm (it's why Porsche suddenly hugs Kinn tighter), it speaks volume of what this intimate moment means to him. The outside pressure from his dad, the daily weights on his shoulders, fighting against 'old' Kinn's fears, doubt, and jealousy, and knowing he almost just lost Porsche, because of it. The *guilt* he still carries around, from that night. Since the woods, we have seen him 'test' Porsche's limits for him touching him, knowing he is Porsche's first male partner, and his wonder at how Porsche don't shy away, but meet him equally every time... all this culminating in a love scene, just after Porsche was ready to leave him, but instead not only let Kinn touch him, make love to him, but actively take the lead. When Porsche pulls him iinto a hug afterwards, he crumble. He found a man he loves, who loves him back, treat him like they're equal, and his jealousy almost made him lose him. All this conveyed in one love scene, one hug, and Kinn crying. This scene is indeed a masterpiece ❤
Remember that it is a mafia series, none is good or bad, (except Porchey who is a teenager). They are just doing their part haha and obviously relationships in that environment will not be healthy at all, although they do give us our beautiful moments especially with Kinn and Porsche. Regarding why we like Vegas, it is because he is a very, very complex character, and he is so well interpreted by Bible that it is impossible for many not to empathize with him, especially when they explain more about his character, it is not justified but that is we love haha and Pete well, he was always intrigued by him and he will discover sides of Vegas that nobody knows and he will discover sides of himself that he doesn't know either. Thanks for your reaction! And sorry for my English haha.
the last scene made me felt like im interupting a super intimate moment between lover like i dont belong here, i need to leave but i cant. it was so intimate, emotional, passionate, layered, THE micro expressions on porsche n so beautifully shot i could write a whole essay about how much i love this scene
I always appreciate reactor so takes time to look at things from Kinn's point of view and where he is coming from and recognize his effort to try to change for the better. Kinn at the end of ep 7 is at his most vulnerable. He is still heavily injured. He gets fed very wrong information from his bodyguard and has to witness a disturbing scene between his lover and his arch nemesis cousin which matches w the description from Pete. He goes through all the emotions known to mankind in a short span of time and at the end of it he looks like he wants to fall apart only to be held tightly by Porsche. Kinn is overwhelmed because he has finally meets someone whom he loves more than his own life, someone he can easily loose his sanity over and that scares him.
I can recomend you check the behind the scenes clip for this ep., the boys have said some remarkable things regarding "that" scene. Love your reaction as always 😀😀
6:23 Thank you for picking up on that. The real conversations in Kinnpotsche are implied. And you are correct in all the people you do not trust. 6:42 "it doesn't matter who finishes the job" actually translates to "we all you know you all can't do it, so sit back and let us take over" because the thing is it matters who finishes the job and that's what the whole casino scene where Vegas said "a win for the minor family" is about. Also don't you find it so convenient that he showed up so serendipitously at the moment when chaos was unleashed? 6:59 Again remember that Daddy is the one who ordered Porsche to go handle business with Vegas. 8:33 Yup That is the conundrum and Looking like a loser is not gonna do the main family or Kinn any favors considering what we know from the previous episodes about the state of things in the mafia syndicate. And We know daddy has been spending lots of money on PR marketing (the millions spent at the diamond auction in ep 4) to make it look all Gucci on the surface and to make Kinn look like an heir worthy of his empire. So this situation and Kinn's attitude toward Porsche just show how much he's come to love and care for him to the point that his duties and his loyalty toward his family are dangerously shaken or take second place. 10:12 Vegas putting on a show is spectacular always. The way I love to hate this man, especially during this episode. Bible does a fantastic job at playing Vegas. 12:55 he knows it's Porsche. Remember the warning in ep 5. Daddy knows everything, he is no fool. 16:19 This scene with Kim both Pissed me off and made me squeal. This man is the King of mixed-signal but his character is so interesting and in the context of the show I get him but damn it! sir, you shouldn't start what you know you might not finish. 18:54 Pay attention to the phone here. Pete over there spying lol badly. 21:59 This is by far one of my favorite scenes in this episode lol the flirting and the dirty jokes. Makes this couple so damn real. 24:45 I had the same reaction! I was laughing so hard at yours. 29:57 This scene is my favorite scene in the entire episode for so many reasons. I could sit here and wax poetry about why that is. The feelings portrayed here by the actors are so palpable and the mood is so masterfully set, and you can see the pleasure Porsche takes in having control over Kinn because if you look at the way they are placed and the body language it is obvious. The way Kinn worships Porsche, how Porsche is placed slightly higher than Kinn, the smug look on Porsche's face as he watches Kinn fall apart and lose control. And in the end, the way Kinn breaks down crying while clinging to him, all of this after Porsche threatens to walk out on the relationship. It is so well done, well shot, well acted and I always go back to watch this scene. And when you see, the other episode this scene takes on a whole other depth in meaning. This show does that with all its sex scenes, they are not just shot for the sake of it but each sex scene is a dialogue on its own and I love that about it. 30:47 ep 8 and ep 10 followed by ep 11 and ep 13 will mess you up and then ep 14 will bury you. I pity you, my child...evil cackle
Hahaha You'r reaction to the ending scene is very similar to mine. 🤣🤣🤣 But when I got over my first shock (and the feeling of being a peepin Tom 😅) the scene was also emotionally and storytellingwise amazing! This show has NC scenes that are not there just for the shock factor but they also serve the story.
honestly this sex scene in the end of this episode is the best sex scene I've seen ever. The delivery of MileApo on this one was INSANE their chemistry and understanding of the characters are out of this world. (btw i suggest you to check out the behind the scenes of this ep, they talk about this scene with so much wisdom, understanding and love for the characters.. it's incredible) You can see so clearly everything the characters are feeling through their eyes and touches, and the subtle details like how Porsche is observant in the begging realizing that he has an unique effect on Kinn and only kissing Kinn when he sees that he let his guard down wich is exactly what Porsche has been wanting for so long, to feel that Kinn genuinely cares.... beautiful, iconic, breathtaking this scene it's honestly Emmy worthy and I'll never shut up about it lol
the reason many people like vegas is novel gave a clear story of what he went through, his abuse, how much he loved pete, him being a good brother, how vegas and pete found eo's true selves, vegas getting a good character development.
Out of the episode you watched so far, in my opinion this episode is really strong and low-key the best episode yet. Like we got the mafia stuff and BL at the same time. The whole story tight together as well.
In this episode you saw Vegas' "mafia side". Vegas is neither a psychopath nor a sociopath by definition, but he's bipolar and holds some psychotic traits due to his severe mental issues - that's what happens when you grow up in this kind of mafia family/ world (his and Kinn's situation is not the same - you'll understand why in future episodes). And nobody here is innocent (except maybe Porschay, Macau, and Tay). Look how Porsche and Pete shot these rival mafia people. Our babies look cute and sweet but in reality, they're deadly lol. You asked why Pete likes Vegas and looks at him that way. Pete doesn't like him, at least not yet. He was told to follow him and observe his actions so it makes sense for him to be intrigued. They're mafia bodyguards and torture is one of the methods they use. Pete's reaction was normal in my opinion and it looked like he was psychoanalyzing Vegas to understand him better, and again, because it's part of his job and not because he "likes" him or something. And why did he fall for him later on? Well, that's for you to discover :) And torturing their rivals? yeah, that's why mafias do... so although Vegas is unhinged, everything he does makes sense. Mafia = criminals. And most of them don't have any boundaries. About the SA thingy... you asked how people can forget about what Vegas did to Porsche. Nobody forgot about it... but let's not forget that Kinn himself did the same thing to his current partner, and even worse. So I don't know what to say about that anymore... mafia settings. The relationships in this show are not healthy, even if they sometimes try to portray them that way. For us, normal viewers, nothing is really forgotten - we only put the horrible things aside so we can enjoy this show since it's a mafia-themed show. I know that you're a big Kinn and Porsche fan so I think you would really love the next episode :)
The fact that Kinn burst into tears, and cries on Porsche's shoulder, when Porsche pulls him into a hug, after they org*sm (it's why Porsche suddenly hugs Kinn tighter), it speaks volume of what this intimate moment means to him. The outside pressure from his dad, the daily weights on his shoulders, fighting against 'old' Kinn's fears, doubt, and jealousy, and knowing he almost just lost Porsche, because of it. The *guilt* he still carries around, from that night. Since the woods, we have seen him 'test' Porsche's limits for him touching him, knowing he is Porsche's first male partner, and his wonder at how Porsche don't shy away, but meet him equally every time... all this culminating in a love scene, just after Porsche was ready to leave him, but instead not only let Kinn touch him, make love to him, but actively take the lead. When Porsche pulls him iinto a hug afterwards, he crumble. He found a man he loves, who loves him back, treat him like they're equal, and his jealousy almost made him lose him. All this conveyed in one love scene, one hug, and Kinn crying. This scene is indeed a masterpiece ❤
Remember this is a mafia show. 😊 So the relationships on this show are going to be messy especially when we get to vegaspete. So just know they aren't going to show the epitome of a healthy relationship and that's not the goal of this show. So just try to keep an open mind 🙂.
I hope you'd react to behind the scenes of kinnporsche the actors and crew are really dedicated. And this nc scene my god i was just as speechless as you this was so beautifully shot mileapo did such a great job as kinnporsche i can't get over this show.
If you watch or rewatch it closely when Vegas torture the guy, everybody turns his face but not Pete, he watches each move, very interested and intrigued, people needs to understand that he's not a soft flower, he can kill or beat the hell of you What i love in Kp is nobody is black and white, all are greys and of course we are allowed to love Vegas for what he is, if you expects healthy marshmallow relationship KP is not for you.
i'm glad that you can see kinn's character development. they might not have the healthiest relationship, but trust me it'll get better! i'm so conflicted abt kim and chay, bc they're like the cutest two ever but at the same time keep on remembering how it all started not in a perfect term... as for vegas, well, idk girl... he's so fcked up especially in this ep...
I remember someone saying that We should really notice on how Pete didn’t hesitate to take the grenade and that we see him always smiling but sometimes his smiles appears as an act and that scene where he directly jumps on the grenade is kinda foreshadowing that he doesn’t care about his own life and that he isn’t really happy ( if you red the novel you know about his past) and later when Vegas is torturing the guy you can also see that he is the only one actually watching and that he doesn’t seem phased or disgusted by it compared to the other people in the room, you can even see that Vegas looks at him kinda like « oh so you’re not afraid? »
In the series Kim is a senior in uni around 22-23 and Porchay is entering college so probably around 18-17 ! Porche is 22-23 I believe it was mentioned in the earliest episodes and Kinn is around 28-29 that’s why in some scenes Porche says to Kinn that he is an old man lol. Tankhun is the middle child so I guess he is around 25-26 ! But in the book they are all actually younger they aged them for the show but in the book I think Kim is around 19-20, Porschay is 16-17, Porsche is also around 20-21 and Kinn is like 23-24 not sure exactly but yeah I think this was a good idea to age them in the series as it’s kind of unrealistic in the books to have them doing all that being that young lol and in the book there are more moments were they are supposed to be in uni but honestly this was pointless so I’m glad they barely had scenes in college lol we are tired of BLs of that setting 22:23 we really see here that Kinn actually a soft hearted lol he is deeeep in love with Porsche and looked so concerned about loosing him like most of their intimate scene or scenes where they are only by themselves you kinda really see their true personality like Kinn doesn’t put on a mask and actually appear as super soft and loving so does Porsche while when they are in public they are acting so tough. Like, look at how Kinn instantly regretted what he said in the bathroom and panicked when he measured what he just said and that Porsche was ready to call it quits, my man totally lost it and instantly apologized and showed how sorry he was 27:59 In the novel both Kinn and Porsche were actually even more jealous impulsive and immature so I think that’s why they still kept some of the traits they had in the books but a bit toned down lol bc the book was really too much 29:47 also peep how Kinn learnt his lesson and asked by a nod to Porsche if he was okay with him unbuttoning his pants
Honestly I don’t like Vegas but I understand him and what his life was so I’m kinda getting how he became like that so I’m not gonna say I hate him but neither that I love him just that people who have grown into trauma their whole life have kinda no choice to be messed up you will see that he isn’t 100% messed up, just that he only knew chaos and 0 love his whole life. What I love tho is how Bible portrayed him, really really on point
Do not confuse the book and the TV version. Kinn and Porsche are older in the TV show for example. I'm pretty sure that Kim is in final year, and maybe even repeating or something. He's at least 22, maybe 23. And Porschay is portrayed as very innocent and young. He's probably 17. I finished high school at 16, so I can't assume that every senior in HS is 18.
@@sabcam2000 me too. I graduated from high school at the age of 16. But anyway, I also think the same that Chay is portraying at least a 17 yo and Kim looks like a repeater so he must be 22/23 at least. That's why the actors kinda said that the relationship is soft. But I also confused since the fandom keep telling that they are 18 & 21. I could assume that it's potentially real, since in my country the gov set the minimum age to graduate from high school is currently 17/18 and now I'm about to graduate from collage.
I’m not confusing the two. BOC announced the characters ages on Twitter because it was causing a controversy since people thought Porshay was underage.
Big is literally beating this guy up and Vegas is the bad guy here??? Sorry but this is F.. mafiaaaaaa... Everybody is bad here, nobody has moral basement... Everybody kills, everybody beats other people and everybody threat each other... That's how mafia works, I don't know why is so hard to understand... Sorry but I watch a loooooot of reactions and it's always the same (Vegas is the bad guy and the rest... what???) not even Pete is a good guy, he beats people for money, it's his job!!! I'm not gonna make any spoiler but every act has a reason based on the world that they live. don't think about your personal moral, they are in other place. Sorry for the english but it's not my mother tongue.
The difference is for most characters violence is a means to an end. For Vegas it's entertainment. He loves violence. He gets off causing pain to others.
@@maemaree33 We never gonna know how Big felt... We have a little information but if I base in the series we have the same information for all of the character. Also, doing this for pleasure or for job (to me) it desn't change the thing that they do harm people for their own benefits... I mean, it's mafia, with its own rules and morals... We never know any porpouse... Just the image of someone getting hurt by others... I don't see any differences sorry... It's a just people are calling out Vegas and not calling out Kinn or Porsche or Pete but to me, all of them are the same. Also, when Porsche was drugged by Vegas, I assume he wanted to print a mark on Porschr to get Kinn jelaouse but I didn't asume the abuse... But Kinn did. He abused a drugged person. It's bad... It's not romantic, it's not ok, but again it's a mafia series so I can'tbvalue the character as my own values because we are in different parts in life... What I want to say is that if Vegas is bad everybody is bad, and if everybody has their own reasons then Vegas has his own reasons as well...
@@areidda so by that argument there's no difference between a serial killer and a soldier! Sorry. No. Lol. Context is king. It's literally why in law you have murder 1, 2, 3 or manslaughter! Lol As for your other point puhlease! Kidnapping and drugging Porsche so he could leave marks and having sex with him so as to torture Kinn is decidely different from what happened later that night. Vegas motive and behaviour was maniacal and psychotic. Motivation is fundamental in determining character. Not only the what but the why. THAT'S the grey! And it's also what allows for any story to have a redemption arc.
@@maemaree33 Nooo, I've never said it's the same being a serial killer or a soldier I said that with the information that we have on the series we don't know if Vegas beat people for pleasure or not, from what we know he does that for job as Pete does. Nobody said that he does that for that reason, you think this way because you dislike Vegas or because at some point you read the novel and you have more information, but for what we know in the series everybody has the same motive... Job. So, Kinn is as bad as Vegas or Porsche or Pete. And for the part of Vegas's behaviour with Porsche, again he said he wanted to let a mark on Porsche to get Kinn mad, that's the only thing that we know... But Kinn was the one who knows the state of Porsche and still he did what he did... I'm not saying that Vegas is a good person and the others are bad what I'm saying is that nobody is good here. All of them are bad and have bad moral and behaviour but it's mafia... I don't pretend for them to be good people... But we can't value the main characters as good people just because they are the main characters and Vegas as the antagonist being bad because it's not the case. As I said before not even Pete is a good person here... Non of them... Not only Vegas.
@@areidda what's clear is that English is not your mother tongue and clearly you're someone who needs things to be literal. I didn't say you said there's no difference between soldier and serial killer. However your argument can be used to say it. There's a distinct difference in those two things. Also I made my points on the series alone! No book influence. Cause I also determine characters by motive, behaviour and subtext. I don't need a series to literally tell me in words the character of someone. In film I also determine character by costume, music scoring, lighting and shot composition for example. Juxtaposition and contrast of scenes and behaviour is another. All this is required if you are analysing a piece. The arguments I made has nothing to do with liking or disliking Vegas. It's called analysis. But even literally sorry you missed the narrative construct of Vegas' character. Yes we are in the world of mafia so that means everyone by default are on an equal field in being of dubious character but there are still boundaries and rules within this world. Every social construct has them. Vegas works outside of these. He does not behave like Porsche, Pete or Big. Not even Kinn, Kim or Tankhun. This episode alone gave you examples. Kinn punches you in the face if he hates you. He doesnt sleep with your boyfriend just because he hates you lol. So yeah people can hate Vegas and not the others. There's been enough examples now by ep 7 to show how Vegas differs from other characters in this mafia world.
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This probably isn't the series to look for any healthy relationships, but they are never dull or uninteresting. Love your reactions.
Hands down best sex scene I've seen in years! Not just in BL. PERIOD. Least of the reasons being how explicit it was. Rather just how amazingly intimate and raw it was. 2 people sharing so much of each other with each other through making love. Remorse, desperation, reassurance, lust, adoration, joy and love! A bloody masterpiece!
exactly!!! so many different raw feelings at the same time so well delivered by these incredible actors that fully understood their characters and each other.... my favorite love scene ever
Yeah like this was explicit but yet so realistic portraying all the emotions it’s rarely this beautifully done in movies or series so really props to all the team and across especially
The fact that Kinn burst into tears, and cries on Porsche's shoulder, when Porsche pulls him into a hug, after they org*sm (it's why Porsche suddenly hugs Kinn tighter), it speaks volume of what this intimate moment means to him. The outside pressure from his dad, the daily weights on his shoulders, fighting against 'old' Kinn's fears, doubt, and jealousy, and knowing he almost just lost Porsche, because of it. The *guilt* he still carries around, from that night. Since the woods, we have seen him 'test' Porsche's limits for him touching him, knowing he is Porsche's first male partner, and his wonder at how Porsche don't shy away, but meet him equally every time... all this culminating in a love scene, just after Porsche was ready to leave him, but instead not only let Kinn touch him, make love to him, but actively take the lead. When Porsche pulls him iinto a hug afterwards, he crumble.
He found a man he loves, who loves him back, treat him like they're equal, and his jealousy almost made him lose him.
All this conveyed in one love scene, one hug, and Kinn crying. This scene is indeed a masterpiece ❤
@@mariwolfie5548 OMG sooooooo brilliantly said! Thank you.
Remember that it is a mafia series, none is good or bad, (except Porchey who is a teenager). They are just doing their part haha and obviously relationships in that environment will not be healthy at all, although they do give us our beautiful moments especially with Kinn and Porsche. Regarding why we like Vegas, it is because he is a very, very complex character, and he is so well interpreted by Bible that it is impossible for many not to empathize with him, especially when they explain more about his character, it is not justified but that is we love haha and Pete well, he was always intrigued by him and he will discover sides of Vegas that nobody knows and he will discover sides of himself that he doesn't know either. Thanks for your reaction! And sorry for my English haha.
the last scene made me felt like im interupting a super intimate moment between lover like i dont belong here, i need to leave but i cant. it was so intimate, emotional, passionate, layered, THE micro expressions on porsche n so beautifully shot i could write a whole essay about how much i love this scene
I always appreciate reactor so takes time to look at things from Kinn's point of view and where he is coming from and recognize his effort to try to change for the better. Kinn at the end of ep 7 is at his most vulnerable. He is still heavily injured. He gets fed very wrong information from his bodyguard and has to witness a disturbing scene between his lover and his arch nemesis cousin which matches w the description from Pete. He goes through all the emotions known to mankind in a short span of time and at the end of it he looks like he wants to fall apart only to be held tightly by Porsche. Kinn is overwhelmed because he has finally meets someone whom he loves more than his own life, someone he can easily loose his sanity over and that scares him.
I can recomend you check the behind the scenes clip for this ep., the boys have said some remarkable things regarding "that" scene.
Love your reaction as always 😀😀
6:23 Thank you for picking up on that. The real conversations in Kinnpotsche are implied. And you are correct in all the people you do not trust.
6:42 "it doesn't matter who finishes the job" actually translates to "we all you know you all can't do it, so sit back and let us take over" because the thing is it matters who finishes the job and that's what the whole casino scene where Vegas said "a win for the minor family" is about. Also don't you find it so convenient that he showed up so serendipitously at the moment when chaos was unleashed?
6:59 Again remember that Daddy is the one who ordered Porsche to go handle business with Vegas.
8:33 Yup That is the conundrum and Looking like a loser is not gonna do the main family or Kinn any favors considering what we know from the previous episodes about the state of things in the mafia syndicate. And We know daddy has been spending lots of money on PR marketing (the millions spent at the diamond auction in ep 4) to make it look all Gucci on the surface and to make Kinn look like an heir worthy of his empire. So this situation and Kinn's attitude toward Porsche just show how much he's come to love and care for him to the point that his duties and his loyalty toward his family are dangerously shaken or take second place.
10:12 Vegas putting on a show is spectacular always. The way I love to hate this man, especially during this episode. Bible does a fantastic job at playing Vegas.
12:55 he knows it's Porsche. Remember the warning in ep 5. Daddy knows everything, he is no fool.
16:19 This scene with Kim both Pissed me off and made me squeal. This man is the King of mixed-signal but his character is so interesting and in the context of the show I get him but damn it! sir, you shouldn't start what you know you might not finish.
18:54 Pay attention to the phone here. Pete over there spying lol badly.
21:59 This is by far one of my favorite scenes in this episode lol the flirting and the dirty jokes. Makes this couple so damn real.
24:45 I had the same reaction! I was laughing so hard at yours.
29:57 This scene is my favorite scene in the entire episode for so many reasons. I could sit here and wax poetry about why that is. The feelings portrayed here by the actors are so palpable and the mood is so masterfully set, and you can see the pleasure Porsche takes in having control over Kinn because if you look at the way they are placed and the body language it is obvious. The way Kinn worships Porsche, how Porsche is placed slightly higher than Kinn, the smug look on Porsche's face as he watches Kinn fall apart and lose control. And in the end, the way Kinn breaks down crying while clinging to him, all of this after Porsche threatens to walk out on the relationship. It is so well done, well shot, well acted and I always go back to watch this scene. And when you see, the other episode this scene takes on a whole other depth in meaning. This show does that with all its sex scenes, they are not just shot for the sake of it but each sex scene is a dialogue on its own and I love that about it.
30:47 ep 8 and ep 10 followed by ep 11 and ep 13 will mess you up and then ep 14 will bury you. I pity you, my child...evil cackle
I just love how well you wrote what the ending scene was portraying. 🤩
@@freyjana that ending scene is everything
your description of the last scene *chef kiss*
Hahaha You'r reaction to the ending scene is very similar to mine. 🤣🤣🤣 But when I got over my first shock (and the feeling of being a peepin Tom 😅) the scene was also emotionally and storytellingwise amazing! This show has NC scenes that are not there just for the shock factor but they also serve the story.
honestly this sex scene in the end of this episode is the best sex scene I've seen ever. The delivery of MileApo on this one was INSANE their chemistry and understanding of the characters are out of this world. (btw i suggest you to check out the behind the scenes of this ep, they talk about this scene with so much wisdom, understanding and love for the characters.. it's incredible)
You can see so clearly everything the characters are feeling through their eyes and touches, and the subtle details like how Porsche is observant in the begging realizing that he has an unique effect on Kinn and only kissing Kinn when he sees that he let his guard down wich is exactly what Porsche has been wanting for so long, to feel that Kinn genuinely cares.... beautiful, iconic, breathtaking
this scene it's honestly Emmy worthy and I'll never shut up about it lol
I think understanding Vegas hype really comes down to the different nuances and povs of later eps
If you want you Can React to Kinnporsche behind the scenes
they are very interesting how actors interpret different scenes
Always good to say that this is a MAFIA show
the reason many people like vegas is novel gave a clear story of what he went through, his abuse, how much he loved pete, him being a good brother, how vegas and pete found eo's true selves, vegas getting a good character development.
Out of the episode you watched so far, in my opinion this episode is really strong and low-key the best episode yet. Like we got the mafia stuff and BL at the same time. The whole story tight together as well.
In this episode you saw Vegas' "mafia side". Vegas is neither a psychopath nor a sociopath by definition, but he's bipolar and holds some psychotic traits due to his severe mental issues - that's what happens when you grow up in this kind of mafia family/ world (his and Kinn's situation is not the same - you'll understand why in future episodes). And nobody here is innocent (except maybe Porschay, Macau, and Tay). Look how Porsche and Pete shot these rival mafia people. Our babies look cute and sweet but in reality, they're deadly lol.
You asked why Pete likes Vegas and looks at him that way. Pete doesn't like him, at least not yet. He was told to follow him and observe his actions so it makes sense for him to be intrigued. They're mafia bodyguards and torture is one of the methods they use. Pete's reaction was normal in my opinion and it looked like he was psychoanalyzing Vegas to understand him better, and again, because it's part of his job and not because he "likes" him or something. And why did he fall for him later on? Well, that's for you to discover :)
And torturing their rivals? yeah, that's why mafias do... so although Vegas is unhinged, everything he does makes sense.
Mafia = criminals. And most of them don't have any boundaries.
About the SA thingy... you asked how people can forget about what Vegas did to Porsche. Nobody forgot about it... but let's not forget that Kinn himself did the same thing to his current partner, and even worse. So I don't know what to say about that anymore... mafia settings. The relationships in this show are not healthy, even if they sometimes try to portray them that way. For us, normal viewers, nothing is really forgotten - we only put the horrible things aside so we can enjoy this show since it's a mafia-themed show.
I know that you're a big Kinn and Porsche fan so I think you would really love the next episode :)
Vegas is a sadist, he derives pleasure from hurting others which is why he's hard to like for a lot of people.
The fact that Kinn burst into tears, and cries on Porsche's shoulder, when Porsche pulls him into a hug, after they org*sm (it's why Porsche suddenly hugs Kinn tighter), it speaks volume of what this intimate moment means to him. The outside pressure from his dad, the daily weights on his shoulders, fighting against 'old' Kinn's fears, doubt, and jealousy, and knowing he almost just lost Porsche, because of it. The *guilt* he still carries around, from that night. Since the woods, we have seen him 'test' Porsche's limits for him touching him, knowing he is Porsche's first male partner, and his wonder at how Porsche don't shy away, but meet him equally every time... all this culminating in a love scene, just after Porsche was ready to leave him, but instead not only let Kinn touch him, make love to him, but actively take the lead. When Porsche pulls him iinto a hug afterwards, he crumble.
He found a man he loves, who loves him back, treat him like they're equal, and his jealousy almost made him lose him.
All this conveyed in one love scene, one hug, and Kinn crying. This scene is indeed a masterpiece ❤
Remember this is a mafia show. 😊 So the relationships on this show are going to be messy especially when we get to vegaspete. So just know they aren't going to show the epitome of a healthy relationship and that's not the goal of this show. So just try to keep an open mind 🙂.
I hope you'd react to behind the scenes of kinnporsche the actors and crew are really dedicated.
And this nc scene my god i was just as speechless as you this was so beautifully shot mileapo did such a great job as kinnporsche i can't get over this show.
Unlike any other BL you will ever watch in so many ways!!!!
If you watch or rewatch it closely when Vegas torture the guy, everybody turns his face but not Pete, he watches each move, very interested and intrigued, people needs to understand that he's not a soft flower, he can kill or beat the hell of you
What i love in Kp is nobody is black and white, all are greys and of course we are allowed to love Vegas for what he is, if you expects healthy marshmallow relationship KP is not for you.
I lloved your reaction to this episodes, it is so funny. You will go crazy for the next episodes because that is going be very adorable🤔🤔
But seriously the last scene...it was so real and natural god mile and apo did a great job :))))
i'm glad that you can see kinn's character development.
they might not have the healthiest relationship, but trust me it'll get better!
i'm so conflicted abt kim and chay, bc they're like the cutest two ever but at the same time keep on remembering how it all started not in a perfect term...
as for vegas, well, idk girl... he's so fcked up especially in this ep...
I remember someone saying that We should really notice on how Pete didn’t hesitate to take the grenade and that we see him always smiling but sometimes his smiles appears as an act and that scene where he directly jumps on the grenade is kinda foreshadowing that he doesn’t care about his own life and that he isn’t really happy ( if you red the novel you know about his past) and later when Vegas is torturing the guy you can also see that he is the only one actually watching and that he doesn’t seem phased or disgusted by it compared to the other people in the room, you can even see that Vegas looks at him kinda like « oh so you’re not afraid? »
Can't wait for your reaction to the next episode
In the series Kim is a senior in uni around 22-23 and Porchay is entering college so probably around 18-17 !
Porche is 22-23 I believe it was mentioned in the earliest episodes and Kinn is around 28-29 that’s why in some scenes Porche says to Kinn that he is an old man lol. Tankhun is the middle child so I guess he is around 25-26 !
But in the book they are all actually younger they aged them for the show but in the book I think Kim is around 19-20, Porschay is 16-17, Porsche is also around 20-21 and Kinn is like 23-24 not sure exactly but yeah I think this was a good idea to age them in the series as it’s kind of unrealistic in the books to have them doing all that being that young lol and in the book there are more moments were they are supposed to be in uni but honestly this was pointless so I’m glad they barely had scenes in college lol we are tired of BLs of that setting
22:23 we really see here that Kinn actually a soft hearted lol he is deeeep in love with Porsche and looked so concerned about loosing him like most of their intimate scene or scenes where they are only by themselves you kinda really see their true personality like Kinn doesn’t put on a mask and actually appear as super soft and loving so does Porsche while when they are in public they are acting so tough. Like, look at how Kinn instantly regretted what he said in the bathroom and panicked when he measured what he just said and that Porsche was ready to call it quits, my man totally lost it and instantly apologized and showed how sorry he was
27:59 In the novel both Kinn and Porsche were actually even more jealous impulsive and immature so I think that’s why they still kept some of the traits they had in the books but a bit toned down lol bc the book was really too much
29:47 also peep how Kinn learnt his lesson and asked by a nod to Porsche if he was okay with him unbuttoning his pants
Correction. In both book and this series, Tankhun is the OLDEST, Kinn is the middle with Kim as the YOUNGEST.
@@CJPDeQueen yessss exactly my bad lol got confused idk why
That could really be my fav scene i can't get used to it everytime i watch ^-^
the look on your face when kinn said he got another gun lmao
you have the same reaction as me when porsche licked his own palm before continuing to stroke kinn's magnum 💀
Honestly I don’t like Vegas but I understand him and what his life was so I’m kinda getting how he became like that so I’m not gonna say I hate him but neither that I love him just that people who have grown into trauma their whole life have kinda no choice to be messed up you will see that he isn’t 100% messed up, just that he only knew chaos and 0 love his whole life. What I love tho is how Bible portrayed him, really really on point
Love you Jaffa❤
Nice reaction 👌 but do you know porche hurt himself in this episode behind the scenes I wish you react to that whiles we wait every Friday
Wait!!!
Where is your reaction to ep8!!!???
Please! Come on!!!
Don't keep us waiting!!!
Kim is 21 and porchay is 18. Their relationship is pretty one sided at this point because Kim is using him for information.
Do not confuse the book and the TV version. Kinn and Porsche are older in the TV show for example. I'm pretty sure that Kim is in final year, and maybe even repeating or something. He's at least 22, maybe 23. And Porschay is portrayed as very innocent and young. He's probably 17. I finished high school at 16, so I can't assume that every senior in HS is 18.
@@sabcam2000 me too. I graduated from high school at the age of 16. But anyway, I also think the same that Chay is portraying at least a 17 yo and Kim looks like a repeater so he must be 22/23 at least. That's why the actors kinda said that the relationship is soft. But I also confused since the fandom keep telling that they are 18 & 21. I could assume that it's potentially real, since in my country the gov set the minimum age to graduate from high school is currently 17/18 and now I'm about to graduate from collage.
I’m not confusing the two. BOC announced the characters ages on Twitter because it was causing a controversy since people thought Porshay was underage.
@@yellowgal06 The actor playing Chay, Barcode, was a minor when they filmed. Fake ages don't really matter lol.
Im sorry i love Vegas xX
vegas can choke
Big is literally beating this guy up and Vegas is the bad guy here??? Sorry but this is F.. mafiaaaaaa... Everybody is bad here, nobody has moral basement... Everybody kills, everybody beats other people and everybody threat each other... That's how mafia works, I don't know why is so hard to understand... Sorry but I watch a loooooot of reactions and it's always the same (Vegas is the bad guy and the rest... what???) not even Pete is a good guy, he beats people for money, it's his job!!! I'm not gonna make any spoiler but every act has a reason based on the world that they live. don't think about your personal moral, they are in other place. Sorry for the english but it's not my mother tongue.
The difference is for most characters violence is a means to an end. For Vegas it's entertainment. He loves violence. He gets off causing pain to others.
@@maemaree33 We never gonna know how Big felt... We have a little information but if I base in the series we have the same information for all of the character. Also, doing this for pleasure or for job (to me) it desn't change the thing that they do harm people for their own benefits... I mean, it's mafia, with its own rules and morals... We never know any porpouse... Just the image of someone getting hurt by others... I don't see any differences sorry... It's a just people are calling out Vegas and not calling out Kinn or Porsche or Pete but to me, all of them are the same. Also, when Porsche was drugged by Vegas, I assume he wanted to print a mark on Porschr to get Kinn jelaouse but I didn't asume the abuse... But Kinn did. He abused a drugged person. It's bad... It's not romantic, it's not ok, but again it's a mafia series so I can'tbvalue the character as my own values because we are in different parts in life... What I want to say is that if Vegas is bad everybody is bad, and if everybody has their own reasons then Vegas has his own reasons as well...
@@areidda so by that argument there's no difference between a serial killer and a soldier! Sorry. No. Lol. Context is king. It's literally why in law you have murder 1, 2, 3 or manslaughter! Lol As for your other point puhlease! Kidnapping and drugging Porsche so he could leave marks and having sex with him so as to torture Kinn is decidely different from what happened later that night. Vegas motive and behaviour was maniacal and psychotic. Motivation is fundamental in determining character. Not only the what but the why. THAT'S the grey! And it's also what allows for any story to have a redemption arc.
@@maemaree33 Nooo, I've never said it's the same being a serial killer or a soldier I said that with the information that we have on the series we don't know if Vegas beat people for pleasure or not, from what we know he does that for job as Pete does. Nobody said that he does that for that reason, you think this way because you dislike Vegas or because at some point you read the novel and you have more information, but for what we know in the series everybody has the same motive... Job. So, Kinn is as bad as Vegas or Porsche or Pete. And for the part of Vegas's behaviour with Porsche, again he said he wanted to let a mark on Porsche to get Kinn mad, that's the only thing that we know... But Kinn was the one who knows the state of Porsche and still he did what he did... I'm not saying that Vegas is a good person and the others are bad what I'm saying is that nobody is good here. All of them are bad and have bad moral and behaviour but it's mafia... I don't pretend for them to be good people... But we can't value the main characters as good people just because they are the main characters and Vegas as the antagonist being bad because it's not the case. As I said before not even Pete is a good person here... Non of them... Not only Vegas.
@@areidda what's clear is that English is not your mother tongue and clearly you're someone who needs things to be literal. I didn't say you said there's no difference between soldier and serial killer. However your argument can be used to say it. There's a distinct difference in those two things. Also I made my points on the series alone! No book influence. Cause I also determine characters by motive, behaviour and subtext. I don't need a series to literally tell me in words the character of someone. In film I also determine character by costume, music scoring, lighting and shot composition for example. Juxtaposition and contrast of scenes and behaviour is another. All this is required if you are analysing a piece. The arguments I made has nothing to do with liking or disliking Vegas. It's called analysis. But even literally sorry you missed the narrative construct of Vegas' character. Yes we are in the world of mafia so that means everyone by default are on an equal field in being of dubious character but there are still boundaries and rules within this world. Every social construct has them. Vegas works outside of these. He does not behave like Porsche, Pete or Big. Not even Kinn, Kim or Tankhun. This episode alone gave you examples. Kinn punches you in the face if he hates you. He doesnt sleep with your boyfriend just because he hates you lol. So yeah people can hate Vegas and not the others. There's been enough examples now by ep 7 to show how Vegas differs from other characters in this mafia world.