Socialism Is Subversive
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Fascism is Post-Marxist Socialism, and I can back it up.
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"Fascism is Post-Marxist Socialism, and I can back it up."
FACTS
@Silverknight171 It's best understood thus: Draw a large circle: this circle is Socialism.
Then draw three smaller circles inside of the large circle: these smaller circles are Communism, Nazism (National Socialism) and Fascism. Not all Socialists are Fascist (many of them are not), but all Fascists are a form of Socialist.
@Silverknight171 Or maybe you’re just not bright and easily mislead by thought leaders.
@Silverknight171 What sounds like liberalism? The term "post-Marxist socialism"?
@Silverknight171 How... Liberalism has nothing to do with socialism or fascism in any form, I am struggling to wrap my head around that thought process.
Fascism is just honest socialism.
>label everything a nazi and/or fascist
>suddenly fascist isn't a coherent ideology anymore
hmmm I wonder how that can be...
Ever read Orwells "What is Fascism"? It seems like it's been a confused term for a very long time.
Agreed.
Which why it's so very important not to fall into that kind of trap ourselves.
Labelling all opposition as socialists is tempting, but should only be done when they provide evidence for such a claim.
If in doubt, just point out how and why their grand schemes are bound to fail.
Fascism is a political system based on a very powerful leader, state control and being extremely proud of country and race, and in which political opposition is not allowed. It’s not incoherent.
@@vikingen244 that’s plenty coherent. It’s complicated by the reality that this is similar to socialism in practice. It would seem that socialism collapses in the impossible face of reality. Fascism actually succeeds where socialism and communism fails. This is the only time I will accept true communism has never been tried, because it admits communism is so worthless it dies when in contact with reality.
It's not a new idea. In his videos about fascism Tik explainned that when fascists actually existed everyone used the term willy nilly : america was fascist (okay that one remained consistent through time...), Leon Bloom (a leftist french president) was fascist, the UK were fascist, etc etc. And the best part is : it already came from every side of the political checkboard : right wing people were labelling their opponent fascists, so did commies, or the far right, or socialists etc etc.
I think we could say it's the most wrongly used term ever : it has consistently been misused from the moment it was created to a century later lol
Socialists: Fascism is just capitalism because it’s the merger of corporation and state.
Also Socialists: * Seizes the means of production, effectively merging corporation and state * Hey wait a minute.
socialists: capitalism is when someone else makes more money that me
with this, it's not as much of a contradiction as you might think it is. fascism is when you aren't part of the state that controls the corporations. that is why all examples of socialism aren't real socialism. that's why fascism is the opposite of socialism. that's why socialism is everything that socialists agree with and nothing they don't. that's why giving power to the people is always referring to democracy in a collectivist dictatorship instead of individualism in a free, libertarian marketplace. that's why the supposed goal of socialism is equity. socialism is just when nobody has more power than you. it is an ideology made by, and for petty, envious parasites who can't handle other people being better than them, narcissists in other words.
i initially wrote this down as a joke, but the more i think of it, the more convinced i am that this is true. this explains everything i know about socialism without any of the blatant contradictions you would see with any other interpretation. it is such a perfect fit, the socialists weren't lying, they were just charismatic enough to describe their terrible ideology in a way that many pools of bacteria taking the shape of a human could agree with. they are projecting socialism onto fascism because to them, that really is what fascism is, and they are too deluded to realize that they will never be any different.
Fascist often seek to use coportism normally. Where the states "guides" and control partly private business. For the good of the state and the worker, seeing the state being better at running business than private persons, but allow property rights as long the individual is working in the interest of the state. Tending to lead to monopolies.
This resembles many left wing economic policies, look at FDR. Similar to modren Chinese economics.
Fascism is just socialism but instead of seizing the means of production, it is done through regulation, coercion, and intimidation. The means of production are totally under the control of the state.
@@phrozen66 so it's just socialism. nationalism is just the goal of the fascist interpretation of socialism.
@@davidlewis6728 Yes. Socialism/Communism and Fascism are both violent leftist ideologies. They come from the same tree.
"Climate change is a problem about equity, it's a problem about race, it's a problem about how we relate to one another"
No, I'm pretty sure climate change is a problem about chemicals in the atmosphere.
Really it's a problem of solar cycles that godless socialists blame on humanity. They can't accept the idea that anything is greater than themselves.
Climate change is just a thing that is. Climates change over time regardless of what the squishy little humans do.
Right on!
Or not a real problem at all, just a method of control
@@user-it7lf7kk8m It's a real thing, where scientists disagree is the extent of the effect on temperatures and weather over time.(We still don't know if intervention is even needed) It's also a conveniently immeasurable phenomenon to campaign behind without the need to produce any tangible results
"Fascism is Incoherent"
said the people who place Libertarians , Monarchists and even basic conservatives as Fascists
Frankly, that happened in Italy. Fascist movement in Italy had everybody in, from anarchists to monarchists, even liberals like Croce. Because they all feared Communists, so they went together to fight them. It wasn't long lasting union and it was this inconsistency of ideologies that finally broke Mussolini's back but at that time at that place, yeah, conservatives and libertarian were allied with fascists.
@@jakublulek3261 Libertarian wasn't a major position in Italy at the time (or now, do I really have to explain this?). Monarchists are attracted to fascism's sense of hierarchy, but it is a political shift for them. Being allied against communism means nothing.
@man with a username Libertarians want to be fascist? They sign fascism into law? So Ayn Rand who advocated for non-aggression and no state is a fascist? Libertarianism is the absolute opposite of fascism you dunce!
And it's ironic, because Mussolini's fascism which can be described as OG Fascism is everything of the state, everything with the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state. That's completely coherent totalitarianism. But just because it's coherent doesn't mean it's desirable, obviously. The thing is, most people don't understand what socialism is. Because fascism and Nazism are both technically forms of socialism. Additionally, they aren't the same thing, just similar. Fascism is Nationality-based socialism whereas Nazism is race-based socialism. Marxism is class-based socialism, but there's also cultural Marxism which is basically intersectional feminism. If intersectional feminism rose to power, the wealth, livelihood, and property of cis, straight, white, and male people would be re-distributed, making it actually like a mix of Marxism and Nazism. But any government that controls the means of production is socialist by definition. Communists, Nazis, Fascists, Soviets, and third wave feminists are all socialists, at least ideologically speaking.
Now, to be clear, not all feminists are socialists, just the third wave intersectionalists. Even if individually they wouldn't want a socialist government, they support an ideology which does. Sargon actually made a video called "feminism is totalitarian" which kind of explains what I mean, but I intend to make a more detailed video, and explain how all neo-progressive ideologies are ultimately socialist ideologies. Jordan Peterson actually defined neo-progressivism as a mix between post-modernism and cultural Marxism. He then goes on to explain how these two philosophies directly contradict one another, concluding that it's incoherent and inconsistent, to paraphrase. He seemed to be saying that we should disregard it based on its merit (or lack thereof).
I, However, think this contradictory mindset is essential and intentional. This is how the Catholic Church gained complete political hegemony over most of Europe. Their ideology completely contradicts itself, but their culture of fear and shame keeps most people from questioning it. If you can have masses of people identified with a self-contradictory ideology, they won't be able to escape their ego or find any true self-actualization.
As long as the vast majority of individuals aren't free within (meaning they carry shame, resentment, jealousy, nasty secrets, unresolved trauma, suppressed emotions, predominantly selfish motives and attitudes, lies they continue to tell themselves and others, and any kind of addiction or unhealthy co-dependence), there can be no lasting liberty within society at large. There are tribal people who have to hunt for their meals and make their own supplies with no electricity, media, or luxury, yet they're genuinely content with life, rarely have to deal with violent crime or mental illness, the fathers don't abandon their children, and people are accountable to each other for the most part. Of course, there are also tribal societies who are warlike and savage, and probably still others who live in terrible conditions, so I'm not saying that going back to tribal living is the answer or anything. What I'm saying is that wealth and material success do not inherently cause happiness, health, or a full and abundant life. What I'm saying is that if they can find contentment without all the first world conveniences and luxuries that even some of our homeless have access to, then surely the possibility of a healthy and relatively peaceful Western society exists, but it can't be found in external factors.
That's what this boils down to. The socialists of all forms want to change our external factors to make our population more fulfilled. But that has never worked in the past, so for them to think that somehow it could work now, even though the selfish attitude from which the majority of the population suffers hasn't improved, is literally insane, at least by Einstein's definition of insanity (repeating the same action, expecting a different outcome).
The paradox here is that it would be equally selfish and tyrannical to try forcing this sort of change, so the most an individual can do is commit to making those changes within himself. If nothing else, at least that particular individual and those close to him will benefit.
If anyone read this whole thing, thank you. I mean it.
Calling libertarians fascist?
*cough cough* Adam Something *cough cough*
Vaush's whole 'fascists lie' bullshit is so easily turned on him. By his own logic, you can call him a Nazi and he can't deny it, because of course a Nazi would deny being a Nazi. It's completely bad faith and undermines any attempt to debate him.
It's called a Kafka trap.
Even if you are to grant the idea "fascists are lying" that may only apply to the ones who are writing the books. Someone reading the book will often take it at face value and thus the authors true intent must be when the material is treated as honest, especially when lacking any evidence they lied at all and having plenty of evidence from direct supporters believing what they said. It's like religion, whether it happened is almost irrelevant if people believe and thus act as if it did happen. That's a real world effect regardless of the reality behind the stories and literature. The intent of a lie is to be believed and thus the lie must be inspected from the presupposition it is true and what the logical outcome must be if someone acts as such.
That’s why I think we should all start calling Vaush a “closeted pedophile”.
Obviously he hasn’t made any statement indicating that he’s actually a pedophile, but that’s just because “pedophiles lie about being pedophiles” which proves that Vaush is indeed a pedophile.
Vaush admits to lying whenever it suits him anyway
"Mussolini was the only one among you with the mind and temperament to make a revolution. Why did you allow him to leave?" - Vladimir Lenin, writing to the Italian Socialists
Can you provide a citation for this quote? I’d like to look it up myself. Not saying you are lying, I’d just like to have something to reference with my Marxist professors.
@@CondeyconI believe it comes from a speech Lenin gave in September of 1922 to Italian socialists, I couldn’t find that exact quote though, a similar one but not exact
@@Condeycon i have seen John Gunther's Inside Europe cited as a source for such from lenin though not for a direct quote
Lenin isn’t the most admired out of the Leftists movement😬. He was a monster with some good ideas.
@@90skidcultist
That's cap. He maybe isn't for actual socdem and center-leftists, but for leftists and socialists? He is.
Vaush can sort out whenever Fascism is co-opting another ideology, but cannot describe Fascism?
le gasp! Sacre bleu!
Sure he can, it’s everyone’s the right of him.
I can't take him seriously. I really can't
No oNe knows what that French Word means look it up
Why the hell I hear Sacre bleu from oversimplified xD
@@weebishusername9288 It's written in one word (sacrebleu") and it's a French swear word so damn old that no one uses it anymore except to sound funny.
I'm confused. If fascism spreads from person to person under different vectors to the point where fascism has no actual ideology, then why do breadtubers expect to get any reaction by calling people fascists? If the fascist ideology has no ideology, then wouldn't the term fascist be utterly meaningless?
Because to Communists, fascism just means anyone who disagrees with them. Including SocDems
It serves the same purpose to them as any "ism". It's not much different than them calling an opponent racist or misogynistic. It's just character assassination and manipulation to avoid logos. But much to the dismay of liberals, logic and reason is not the golden standard of humanity that they thought it was. And the tactics of the leftists do in fact work on the masses, that's why they keep using them and why they have success.
They're not calling you fAsCIsT for your sake, they're just releasing the hounds by virtue signaling. It'll only be a matter of time whether socialists actually hate the Chinese agenda, or will simp and mind their manners, for their better half.
Come on, bread tube is a guilt-trip train. They are trying to invoke guilt in some people and are making bucks off of it.
Funny that
Vaush calling anyone "ideology inconsistent" is ironic af. Even Destiny called him out on his ideological inconsistency.
What do you expect from someone who shapes their worldview based on snippets they read on wiki.
I feel like vaush and other extreme Breadtubers like Demon mama or hasan or Kavernacle will cause destiny to turn at the very least center right
Well he has admitted to lying and cheating in every way possible just to "win" so i guess if you've built your entire philosophy around being a hypocrite it isn't really inconsistent.
@@ducky7724 Pretty much. Doesn’t help when he has terminally online followers that shadow his every move and feeds into his ego.
It’s why he’s able to openly admit doing it while simultaneously believing it’s a morally good thing - like he’s not doing anything wrong as it supposedly “takes down the evil fascists” somehow. Only the most ~intellectual beings~ of society can do such a thing …. you know how those types are lol.
It’s why it doesn’t matter if someone points out how he lies to “win”. His viewers do the same exact thing with no shame.
Funny thing about his ideology if you need everyone to believe in it for it to work its not a realistic goal nor is it realistically feasible.
Communists and Marxists: "Everything is political!"
Communists and Marxists: "My political opinions are not relevant to this discussion, now let's discuss science!"
vaush calling anyone a coward is funny af.
Especially after everyone watching that one Sitch and Adam episode got to watch him puss out in real-time. That shit was hilarious.
@@hannibalcase1100 bruh
@@hannibalcase1100 sauce plz?
@@someshambler5536 For some reason the link keeps getting removed. Search for "Vaush is a liar and a coward," it should be on the channel Sitch and Adam Clips.
Right. You can actually see the constant fear in his eyes... like the dude has legit crazy eyes.
Makes jokes and states he's a edgy comedian
Vaush: *YOUSA FASCIST*
Constantly advocates against state power and for personal liberty
Fascism is like Pepe (from Socialists' point of view)- it can be literally *anything* 🤣
then under his breath *In my opinion*
@@BigBroTejano *_"i T s O k A y W h E n I d O i T"_*
@@BigBroTejano he's just an anarchosyndicalist.... With longterm goals of a communist federation that employs economic imperialism to crush opposition... Well now he just sounds like a fucking supervillian lol.
Vaush is the type of closeted Pastor, projecting his sins unto everyone in ear-shot. And with how often he talks about _certain issues._ I feel it's a matter of time until the skeleton burst out.
"hey, Vaushy, leave those kids alone!"
@@cornpop1363 you
Didn't someone find out his parents live in Bel-air?
@@NekoBoyOfficial Wouldn't surprise me. They always come from actual privilege and wealth. Just mad their parents have it and they don't.
rabbi would be more accurate
Fascism is genuinely the only ideology where most people actively tell you to read stuff written by critics of the ideology rather than the actual writings of the ideologues to understand what said ideologues believe, and specifically point you towards critics of the ideology who want to define things in a way that allows them to weaponize a political accusation against their enemies. Imagine if every time someone wanted to understand Leninism, that instead of being told to actually read Lenin's writings such as State and Revolution, they were told to read some conservative hack-piece where the author defines "Leninism" in a nebulous way just so that he can accuse the US Democratic Party of secretly being evil Leninists. That is what's happening when Eco and other such critics get recommended as "definitions of fascism".
The only critic of fascism who I think has an actually good grasp on what fascism is would be Augusto del Noce, but he was a conservative with some reactionary leanings, so you will basically never see anyone on the left (or even in the center) recommend him. He makes the correct identification that fascism isn’t a reactionary or anti-modernity ideology, but a pro-modernity, “far-right revolutionary” ideology that ultimately has its roots as a right-wing “heresy” of Marxism, an observation that none of the garbage “definitions of fascism” out there make (and to be clear, fascists are not socialists or Marxists, but that is where their roots lie, along with Futurism). del Noce’s understanding of fascism is that it is a strange right-wing permutation of Marxism that has been divorced from the “materialist” aspects of that ideology - a belief system that is still obsessed with a revolutionary spirit that brings society towards a utopian teleology, but without the idea that all things ultimately relate to class conflicts and the observable world.
“Fascism has no definition so I can call my political enemies fascist”
That’s why they think it has no real definition
“And when everybody is a Nazi... then nobody is.” - Syndrome
Now i gotta watch incredibles again
This man he speaking the truth.
Also Dash....though I guess Helen said the first part in that conversation, so they both get credit.
*then
... Nazi Syndrome
Vaush's telepathic skills are reaching Minority Report power levels.
He's outpacing us yet again
So i shouldn't
even bother asking what is minority report then?
The same person?
@@kurokitsune17 Good movie go watch it
@@kurokitsune17 It's a movie where in the future, the police can stop you before you've even committed a crime.
These breadtuber dips truly believe Republicans, conservatives, libertarians, dissenters etc. are a few steps away from the 3rd Reich because... I don't know and they think stopping them and being unfair to them now is going to stop Nazis from returning.
“He’s joking but his audience loves those comments”
That’s what we like to call, finding something funny. To dumb it down for you Vaush, Dank make joke - me laugh.
If you apply vaush's standards to himself he is everything he claims others are by those standards
I really don't think an actual fascist would be able to stand watching dank
@@calvin9918 Or JrEg
Vaush knows full well, he does it constantly, throw anything under the bus for cheep laughs.
@@nautdead3197 there exists no extremist who isn’t a hypocrite.
"You are guilty, I know you are and nothing you can say can prove your innocence, only your guilt"
~Vaush probably
"Fascism isn't a coherent ideology, it's a naked power grab"
Checks the history of pretty much any socialist state...
Oh my... we're not so different, you and I.
Also, WTF? Am I expected to take political definitions from a talking corn cob seriously?
Well, now I'm curious. Can we get a comprehensive list of everything Mussolini did that Lenin and Stalin DIDN'T do.
Thought terminating Cliché.
I love how he says “ China isn’t socialist” with no further elaboration.
Indeed China isn't totaly socialist. As an example they have a stock market, what would a communist or socialist sociaty need a stock market. However I have not seen any evidence from sources I am reading that say China does not have a socialist market. I am a bit confused where he gets that china isn't a socialist country.
@@GoreGutztheImpaler To further add to this, their currency also has value in the same way the US dollar has value, though consumer demand of using it as a unit of transaction. Compared that to the Soviet ruble, which "grew" in value relative to the US dollar over the course of the Cold War because its value never inflated due to price controls. In a way, the ruble had no more worth than the prize tickets you'd win in an arcade. Of course, the yuan wasn't always like that, and it was only pegged to the USD as a part of their transition to a more market-oriented economy.
That being said, the CCP is still a subversive, totalitarian state whose actions are antithetical to liberal values.
Cope
It isn't socialist
China isn't and USSR wasn't too. The only real socialist country was Pol Pot's revolutionary Cambodia. Because others didn't abolish money and difference between city and village. But socialists REEEEEEally hate this example and they always try to deny that it was real socialism despite it passed all formal criteria.
"I have created a mental model where it is logically impossible for you not to be a Nazi, making me the winner"
"I'm sure on some planet, your mental model is quite impressive, but your weak link is, this is EARTH."
Let's just say hypothetically, you were in fact a white supremacist.
Here's a funny anecdote. And it's true! It's happening as we speak.
The very vocal anti-Nazis among us want to throw away informed consent and forget the Nuremberg Code.
The amount of people they would call Nazis as per their surface media dictation and who also happen to think bodily autonomy is a good thing and we should keep it is staggeringly high.
P R O J E C T I O N
They accuse the opposition of what they do. Simple as.
It's one of Marxists biggest weapon and it works on npcs until they inevitably collapse because they don't understand economics.
DARVO
That's one of the rules for radicals.
Luv me pronouns. Simple As
“Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion.”
Friedrich Hayek
Very accurate for the PRC
I lost it when he said China isn't socialist after literaly describing their tactics as the correct path to socialism, it's just adorable
Nobody online with a camera and microphone, who goes around calling others “Fascist” mentions, let alone acknowledges the cornerstone of fascism: a societal marriage between the public and private sector where corporations function as an arm of the state
Neither do they touch on the roots of fascism (or nazism) which are anarcho socialists, that they implemented a lot of the same policies the USSR applied (every buisness is under state control, political opposition is forbidden, unions are nationalized, etc etc), that they wanted to "socialize the people" but under the banner of nationalism instead of class struggle, etc etc. Fascism is the bastard child of socialism lol
The more ironic part is that... Well fascism is more functional version of socialosm than vanilla socialism rofl
@@jeanhamilton3296 *anarcho syndicalists (a sub-set of anarcho socialists... yeah, Mussolini's socialists origins were fucking weird!)
If someone likes the flag, fascist
That’s not the cornerstone of fascism though.
@@MusaMansu The cornerstone of fascism is arguably violence
Practically no BreadTubers and very few leftists have any understanding of Fascism. Hell, I've read highly cited works on fascism that don't bother to cite ANY fascist doctrine or philosophy, which would be like criticizing Marxism without reading the Communist Manifesto.
The only reason I need to hate Marxism is all the communist/socialist countries that caused hundreds of deaths. And Yuri Bezmenov.
@@thhrjdh5564 I think you mean over 100 *million* deaths (and counting) by murder, starvation, oppression, etc.
@@613harbinger316 exactly.
Which to be honest many do
Vaush has no right to complain, he is the king of walking shit back with "it was just a joke bro" I watched that debate with Destiny, by the end of it I wanted to scream at Vaush.
Vaush should work at a movie theater
Cause he's amazing at projecting
When he's looking for fascists, he has to avoid mirrors, or he'll find one.
@@joshuarichardson6529When he calls others pedo he also avoids mirrors 😂
Vaush “Let the mob kill you” calling someone a coward. Heh.
Reminds me of what he said about Kyle Rhyttenhouse (not sure how to spell his name off the top of my head).
I wouldn’t be surprised if any holocaust survivor really hated Vaush.
If you also count descendants of, than I can confirm: Yes.
He wouldn't care - he's an antisemite anyway, so the feeling would be mutual.
I was going to say "Replace conservatives with jews," but Vaush already did it for me - what is it with socialists being antisemites?
Vaush loves Jeremy Corbyn. The UK Labour socialist who is a confirmed antisemite and a former supporter of IRA terrorists.
Most Jews don’t like Vaush. Claire Voltaire on Twitter really hates him. Vaush got banned from Twitch after saying Israel should be nuked.
Jesus christ, the mental contortions you have to go to in order to think that Dank (or Dev) is a fascist...
Dankula the man who literally tried battling the EU over free speech. Total Nazi. Nazis loved free speech.
@@Eirik_Bloodaxe ofc they did, didn't they publish anne Frank's diary??
@@porassrivastava8242 Yeah, and those weren’t book burnings. They were simply warming the books up so your hands wouldn’t get cold.
Does dank even still do political content still. Kind of surprised to hear he talked with vaush. Thought he basically just did madlads, historical videos, and gave updates about his court case like every few months
@@TNTspaz he does from time to time on the second channel. Particularly when it’s big news or something pertaining specifically to free speech.
"Socialism is honest fascism"
No, no I think it's the other way around
I’ve heard most legitimate fascists say that they hate capitalism and like the idea of market socialism, they just also hate Marxism as an ideology because it’s degenerate.
I've always likened the relationship of socialism to fascism like that of Catholicism to Protestantism, or modern American Conservatism to Libertarianism. The latter hates the former not for any disagreement on general principle, but because (in the eyes of the latter) the former just sucks at achieving what the latter would consider laudable goals if not for their laughably inept execution. No matter what your ideology, it's a universal truth that sucking at doing good is often little better than blatantly doing bad. (And then Mitch McConnel suddenly sneezes for seemingly no reason...)
@@draketheduelist exactly, there's a reason the phrase "all that is required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing" incompetence and inaction are widely (and rightly) despised
The irony is that Vaush admits he constantly lies to further his goals
The reason fascism seems inconsistent is because it tends to adjust itself to the society it takes control in. That's why there's a lot of little differences between Italian and German fascism, because those societies have different social wants and needs the system has to take into account.
"You're X"
"I'm not, I don't believe in the things X believe in."
"You're lying for no other reason than "I said so", you *ARE* X!"
Reminds me of middle school and high school where every male student assumed all the rest of the male students were gay. Or my favorite "you're just dating a girl as a cover up".
that's 90% of interactions on the internet..
"Fascism is just, like, right wing and stuff."
It still blows my mind that people think fascism is right wing. They have nothing in common
@@redalertsteve_ depends on what one calls "right wing" I'd say it's more baffling that people think the right is just money grubbing republicans.
@@redalertsteve_ Left and right is not the same thing in every country and the idea that they are is anglo nations talking because they can't conceive of a worldview alien to theirs.
@@SeruraRenge11 yes, but in almost every way you describe left or right, socialism fascism and communism are on the same side, to claim them as opposites is ignorant at best
Man, this gives me more respect to Yuri Bezmenov, the prophet.
Or even Gareth Jones, the man who revealed the Holodomor to the world
@@Therworldtube yet that killed around 12 million unlike the Holocaust and yet it’s irrelevant
Hey SFO, I really liked your summary with notes at the end of the video. I would recommend you do that regularly as it is a really helpful way to bring it all together for your concluding comments.
Thanks for the tip!
Vaush, the so called "libertarian-socialist" (a bigger oxymoron I have never heard), not knowing what he's talking about!? Must be yet another day ending with y!
Champagne socialist am i right?
"internationalist" sounds pretty close to "globalist" there, Vaush lmao
Good point. I've only heard clips of vaush but he never has intellectual consistency in his thoughts.
One small step for “internationalism.” One giant leap for the “totally not real plan” of a One World Order.
@@ajackofdiamonds: Of course comrade. The “Reset that is Great” is just far-right rhetoric. It’s not like that terminology was openly used in discussion with certain think-tanks. Consoom your soy products, impossible burgers, juicy insects, and lab grown meats and leave the thinking to the professionals. They totally have our best interests at heart. /s
"Internationalist" "Globalist" "Global Citizens"
We have fun with words, don't we comrades?
@@613harbinger316: Indeed comrade. I look forward to America’s eventual adoption of a social credit score. Then, I can snitch on my neighbors and get government good boi bucks and extra soy rations. We’ll be able to lick that tasty boot together like good little state worshippers. /s
That "debate" with Count Dankula was to only be streamed by Faraday Speaks and the money was suppose to go to charity but Vaush streamed it and made a lot of money off of it. I wonder if he donated the funds he made 🤔
He donated them to a very charitable organization, his back pocket.
@@TheGuyWhoIsSitting lol no doubt
He redistributed the total potential donations.
Okay, so I wasn’t the only one that found Vaush calling dank a liar within fifteen minutes of starting ironic considering none of the conditions they agreed to were held up by Vaush.
Vaush is a walking bruh moment
I don't think he walks that much though.
@@SpookyTanukiGaming shit u rite
He doesn't believe in anything, he just says whatever his audience wants to hear.
More like a rolling bruh decade
Vaush moment
That clip of how Vaush literally admits as to how he lied to Shoe, step by step, is hilariously open in its vileness. And its something that she can't bear to look at herself, because then she'd be admitting to having bought into an ideological grift.
Damn, can you give a link to that?
@@MrSchnorkel it's literally in the video.
@@TOUGHEYES Oh, I thought he meant that she would understand the codeword he describes himself as, not be deceived by it.
He sounded so happy about lying to people he cares about and taking over nations for his own goals. He doesn't come off as threatening at first because he's wearing a t-shirt instead of a military uniform, but the creepiness is still there. 👀
Vaush hasn't read 1984, has he? One of the horrifying parts of the book was the part where you read about the kids who told on their parents and got them taken away. You are meant to see that as a tragedy. The kids were so brainwashed that they didn't realize they sent their families to their doom because in their minds, it was good for the party. 🤦🏽♀️
Maybe Vaush did, but since he’s evil, he just saw this as a good strategy.
He has. He thinks Newspeak is a good thing
Being political all the time and viewing everything from a political lens is a privilege, the poor man struggling to make rent and get bread does not care and CANNOT care who comes in power in his city let alone in his nation.
- paraphrasing a quote I read by Seerut Chawla
Thus, one reason the elite want us so poor...
To be honest I don't think anyone really cares about local leadership. Can you tell me the name of your mayor off the top of your head? How about your governor?
I LITERALLY CANNOT. HOW CAN SOMEONE'S ENTIRE VISION OF REALITY BE LITERALLY, COMPLETELY INVERSE TO REALITY ITSELF. I GENUINELY CANNOT. I'M GOING. TO HAVE. A STROKE.
Friendly reminder: Sycophants that support these kinds of ideas control all education, media, and just over half of government.
"We are trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death."
@@PeterDivine Well now I'm sad. Thanks 😥
I hear you. It is truly and utterly mind blowing. You are not alone.
You are talking about a guy who says Brony’s are racist and furies are good people….that’s the level of mental gymnastics he does to keep up his “liberal edge lord persona”
Hes a brainlet, dont worry
the enemy is simultaneously weak and unclear but also obvious and insurmountable
It’s like a big steaming pile of shit. It’s worthless, but so unpleasant you don’t want to go anywhere near or.
Ironically, one of Umberto Eco's 14 points.
@@petehill7280 i dont regard umberto eco as the definer of fascism, his criteria are far too vague and very easily misapplied. ill take it straight from the horses mouth, mussolini himself, who laid it out very painfully specifically. just like ill take communism straight from lenins mouth. but of course, apologists for either ideology have disowned their founders. they prefer to tap dance and be dishonest about their fundamental goals.
God that guy suddenly laughing mid sentence and never regaining his train of thought was amazing. It was like watching his brain crumble.
Vaush saying Fashie unironically is the cringiest thing I've ever had to endure. These terms are accessories to be adorned on his lapel. He's playing dress-up with words and it's sad.
>say that people are some form of ist or ism and need to repent
>accuse them of always lying and never forgive them for any kind of past transgression
One thing I always respected about Jack Chick... he genuinely believed in redemption. There was literally nothing you couldn't be forgiven for, and honestly, Jack Chicks god didn't actually ask for all that much. As far as I can tell, the most difficult thing he asked for was becoming an annoying preachy jerk yourself.
These radical leftists have all the blind zealotry of Jack Chick, but without his virtues.
@@Sines314
Who's Jack Chick?
It's abusive relationship tactics writ large.
Mussolini was raised in a Communist family. It seems like that influenced his ambitions for being a powerful Fascist leader.
He was in a Marxist socialist party until WW1, which he left due to disagreements on the war.
@@Nathan-jh1ho Wasn't Htler a socialist in his early life? Hmm. There's seems to be a pattern emerging here.
Why wouldn't it?
Another anti socialist dev video, today is a good day.
r/Destiny: Not
what other anti socialist video came out today good sir?
@@GoreGutztheImpaler Nothing as far as I know. I think he means today is a good day because dev released a video ripping the socialists.
I at this point just wonder why bother debunking these things when we know plenty enough?
When so far we done nothing to change anything?
@@williamwalker9315 yep
They call everything "fascist," therefore they must not define it.
They can't define it, because the definition is "national socialist" and it describes themselves.
Vaush called Tim Pool far right. Why does anyone take this guy seriously, lol?
Everyone to the right of Trotsky is "right wing" when you're in the political extreme.
Breadtube saying fascism is subversive, saying it is contradictory, and calling anyone right of them it is just another attempt to control the language of society to make it harder to understand the concept.
Socialism is very subversive, it’s why we have COVID passports and the tightening of any and all speech. Biden wants to ban guns and we’re implementing second class citizens with the passports. They’re trying to subvert American and liberal values.
Them co-opting liberalism shows this, liberalism used to mean small government and maximum freedom now it means communism where equality should be valued above all else.
Imagine thinking Biden is left wing 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@meme-kaiser let's see wanting to ban guns, raising taxes and printing money for social programs, increasing size and power of government. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck.
@@1810jeff he's a capitalist and leftism isn't anti-gun (‘Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempts to disarm the workers must be stopped, by force if necessary’ - Karl Marx)
@@meme-kaiser Funny because every attempt at communism starts with gun confiscation almost as if communists don't want the people to have the ability to overthrow a tyrannical government. Either way it doesn't change the fact that communism cannot work because you can't print money forever and expect it's value to stay the same.
What I love about Vaush is that everything he's ever said about the opposition is a description of himself. Literally every statement he's ever said about "The Right" or "Fa*cism" describes his actions he takes in his arguments. But since it's for "The Good of The Left" he thinks that behavior is okay for his camp because "the ends justify the means."
Disgusting lack of values or good faith in arguments. Can't wait for him to get blacklisted like Sam Seder so he just screams in a vacuum to a handful of brainwashed cronies.
Yeah dankula has the very fascist positions of “free speech” and “I hate government control”
20:40 - Always get a good laugh when socialists think they want a Star Trek future. Gene Roddenberry's vision of Earth is basically just pre-socialist America, developed to the point of fully realizing its core principles, with a post-scarcity economy. Gene may have been an idealist about human nature (and even then, it was much more tempered than critics pretend), but the fabric of his Federation's society is amongst other things individualistic, democratic and patriotic.
Star Trek's allegory of collectivist ideology is that of genocidal cyborgs who spread across the galaxy as an all-consuming plague.
But sure, you're the vanguard of the Star Trek future, cool story bro.
"The Conquest of Bread" has likely singlehandedly ruined a whole generation of minds.
It is fascinating that the school system moved to teach children how to read analytically, and they became completely vulnerable, because let’s face it. Children aren’t nearly ready enough to analyse an idea that incorporates the values of the more conservative middle age and old age members of society as well as the more progressive youth.
I don’t see any improvement in society. I am middle aged. I remember being 20. But let’s accept reality... the edgy 20 year olds don’t remember being 40 and that’s why 40 year olds needs to teach 20 year olds. But they aren’t doing it. They are abandoning the kids to their own ideas. Bad as they might be.
As did the Soviets previous, and the Jacobins before them. There are always those that trick themselves into believing they're the most brilliant people under the sun; and there are those who lack the confidence and good sense to question them; thus the Church of Envy will always inaugurate new priests, and a generation of followers will always heed them. The best we can do is save what souls we can.
@@Xplora213 If it wasnt for me wanting to find truth and being challenged, I’d have been a useful idiot to the socialists, I want to do good, always have and socialist talking heads like to abuse a person’s gullibility by making it seem as good as that gullible rube wants something to be
That book is so bad.
@@Xplora213 the people who are in their 40's today were already themselves subverted and thus couldn't save their own youth. This has been going on for generations, which is why the problem is the way it is.
“Whether you like it or not. A market economy is the best system, that’s objectively true. It’s objectively better than a command economy. At least in this era.”
It always will be you dunce.
Why does the Incorporation thing sound exactly like the People’s Republic of China, tho?
Similar.
Private companies can mostly do what ever they want as long they don't come in conflict with the interest of the state (example: Jack Ma saying the Chinese system discourages innovation and proceeds to get destroyed)
Companies can only succeed if they have connections with people within government, otherwise the red tape is unbearable.
This is why millionaires are nearly all CCP members, because having connections to the state is the only way to succeed.
@@Nathan-jh1ho so then, yeah. It’s fascistic.
The difference between fascism and "Market socialism" is purely one of aesthetics and metaphysics, on the ground they're identical.
What is market socialism and how do I argue against it?
What I find interesting is a so-called intellectual like vash just blanketing every counter argument with “they lie”, to me this notion holds the same temperature “well you know how their kind is.”
It’s an intellectual injustice for a debate to label anything your opponents does as false or lacking merit on the notion they are evil so they must be lying. This quite literally has South Parkian tendency’s
“My opponent is a liar and can not be trusted.”
“Authoritarian plus conversatism is the definition of fascism”
Uhhhh… no. I don’t think that’s how that works.
Parasites tend to be deceitful because if the host catches on to their true intentions they would be removed as soon as possible.
the irony of vaush claiming to understand the psychology of white supremacists yet he fell for what dankula admits is a troll, and a pretty blatant one at that
“Subversive Facists” sounds like a sweet punk band
Imagine the cognitive dissonance needed to describe your ideal political agenda as exactly what the CCP is doing, then just hand waving the comparison away with the tired "not real communism" line.
You mean these authoritarian ideologies are fundamentally the same? WUT!?
Well they're just different variations of socialism, so ...
Always have been. Whoever said fascism was on the right is an absolute moron
@@redalertsteve_ No, they were dishonest not stupid. The reframing fascism as a right-wing capitalist ideology is a deliberate misinformation campaign by socialists both to protect socialism from having Hitler associated with it and to attack the right by associating Hitler with them.
@Silverknight171 What do you mean?
Totalitarianism always has to be disingenuous to the people. But this is just from the ideological viewpoint of a Texan who believes in western independent liberty. As an American it breaks my heart to see our oldest ally of France being put under such oppression but also quite pleased to see it getting to the point of having another revolution. The French are getting back to their roots!
These titles are getting more and more obvious, what next? The sky is blue?
you ever hear a word repeated so often that it just stops sounding like a real word?
Like
Dude
Totally
Crazy
Girl
Literally
Amazing
Wow
I’ve heard it so many times today, I feel like my brain is turning to soup.
@@DakessianHMadat add “racist” to the list
Yeah. It’s called “Jamais vu”
Dankula: "The government can fuck off."
Vaush: "Now ain't that kinda fascist of you."
He thinks socialist nations will be "first world" nations XDDDDD
They will be, just not for very long.
“Umbeartoe Eeeeeko”
Tell me you’ve never read Umberto Eco without telling me you’ve never read Umberto Eco.
*laughs in installments*
Subvert the subversion with subversion
And top it off with more subversion
Vaush is the gift that keeps on giving. It's like printing money but with it's BS instead.
I suppose if you call the brain matter leaking out of my ears a gift, sure.
@@MajorZero61 Yeah, but his BS is infinite unlike his brain matter.
If the gift is cancer your right
Or the grift that keeps on giving..yeah I like bad puns and bad word play.
"Me idea coherent, you idea incoherent.
Checkmate, godtheists!"
-Breadtube, probably
0:51 "Good comedians rarely defend themselves"
My god, the intelligence of Vaush's viewers. Yes, comedians shouldn't have to defend their jokes, just like how comedians shouldn't have to face jail for their jokes.
What's the point of him asking to debate then, if he's coming to the table believing 100% his opponent is lying about everything?
He wants someone stupid enough that'll do it so he can parasitize views.
Dev, are you aware of the EFAP podcast?
Sargon, Dankula, Gundam, Arch...
It's your turn now, Dev
Dev, ask sargon about efap
Dev is a shortman. He wouldn’t do well with the longmen.
@@Garrus1995 he can always just stop in and visit
@@Garrus1995 long man bad
Maybe we should just stick to laughing at people like Vaush, rather than engaging them in any debate. Debating with a dishonest actor goes nowhere; the only thing you can achieve there is to show their dishonesty to reasonable people.
Agreed. That which is presented without evidence can be laughed at freely and mocked relentlessly
While I like that idea. I feel like it would just set a pretty bad precedent where no one will debate anymore because it’s become acceptable to just dismiss arguments by laughing at them
Nah, as much as we dislike those kinds of people, we should still engage them in debate because if we don’t, their misrepresentations could spread without people questioning them.
@@gavinsmith9871 maybe, but there’s no reason we shouldn’t behave in a manner that’s better than our enemies, otherwise we’re just as bad, and we’ll still be contributing to the problem
@@mackenziebenedict8403 well it’s difficult to have honest debates when one of the debaters believes you are lying before the debates even begun. Also difficult to have an honest debate with a dipshit communist who thinks lying about his beliefs is okay if it means he wins debates.
Horseshoe theory: the video.
Also, both sides love to say "horseshoe theory is bs, fishook theory is real". If you don't know, fishook theory is basically "only the other side can be the bad guys"
The irony of their 5D level stupidity is lost on those people.
"Communism is only one generation away." - Ronald Reagan. "When the Rights of Criminals are given more Respect than the Privacy of their Victims." - GWAI Metal Gear Solid 2 Sons of Liberty. So can anyone tell me the differences between "Communism", "Socialism", "National Socialism", "Critical Race Theory" are?
Communism-Socialism is International Socialism/Revolutionary Socialism which is all about getting rid of classes and expanding the revolution. Nazism is all about “the Master Race,” and “Race Purity.” Nazism is centre-right and Communism is far-left. Fascism is far-right. I don’t know too much about Strasserism but I think it’s also a Radical Centrist ideology. I know that National Bolshevism is radical centre-left.
Critical Race Theory is Identarianism/Identity Politics. Nazism, Aryanism and Ethnostatism are Identitarian ideologies.
@@fduranthesee Nazbol is basically just Strasserism for Russians.
@@fduranthesee Nazism is race-based socialism, within the nation. Marxism is class-based socialism which is meant to be international (but Stalin disagreed and kept it national)
some one in the comment on his stream said "Fascism is blaming people, socialism is blaming systems" that is the dumbest shit I've ever heard, especially because socialism makes everything the system.
Vaush would not know Fascism even if it jumped up and bit his nose. It already has done so, and he has not recognized it.
If someone bit his nose, it would vastly improve his appearance!
"Socialist tactics wearing a nationalist uniform."
Gee, one might even call it a "national socialism." Benito was a socialist who was kicked from the Italian socialist party and decided to make his own version of socialism based around nationality rather than class. To argue that fascism isn't socialism is to argue that a tree isn't a plant.
Fascism isn’t socialism. It sucks, but it’s not.
It is as I said in the video. fascism is post-marxist socialism
@@ShortFatOtaku Pretty much. By the way, keep up the great work, mate.
@@MusaMansu So then what is it? There isn't free enterprise, private property, free speech, or democracy under fascism and those four concepts are antithetical to it. Hint: it's socialism
@@OriginalBongoliath Free enterprise and private property definitely exists in fascism. The state just intervenes if they feel it’s in the national interest. They had a mixed economy. The government partnered with big business. If you look into the history of the three most famous fascistic regimes, Hitler worked closely with Krupp, Mussolini worked closely with Fiat and the Japanese military junta worked closely with companies like Toyota
21:18 Wow! Vaush's plan to create a socialist trading bloc is kind of thought out. Of course, there's the ever-present problem with all socialist and Communist plans:
What if somebody says no?
At some point, someone needs to point out how Monopolism is essentially just ignorant Socialism.
When you have 100% control over the market, then the economy becomes completely arbitrary, exactly like what the Socialists want.
I believe that Socialists need to be taught this distinction between Monopolism and Capitalism, because almost all Socialists are afraid of Monopolism or participate in it.
Keep this rule of thumb in mind:
When a Capitalist sees competition, they try to adapt.
When a Monopolist or Capital Socialist sees competition, they will try to stamp it out to ensure their grip on the market stays firm.
Fascism might be contradictory... But what about socialism or communism? :-D They will tell you how to live and put boundaries on your economic growth and call it free society :-D
Would he call conservative islamists bad ?
LeftistNPC.exe has stopped working
Leftists "support women, gay rights and muslims", but if you point out about the issues islam have with those other two topics, they will call you a islamophobic and refuse to elaborate.
Yeah theocratic nations are fascism by the Vaush definition. The state is given to the church for their control. They will intervene as much as they choose. We got rid of them in the west hundreds of years ago for a reason.
The amount of projection from Vaush is insane.
"fascism is capitalism in decay"
Literally that's what Marx said communism is
@NeoRhodesian1165
No no, what i mean is that marx said that communism is capitalism in decay. He said that before a society progresses from feudalism to communism, in between it becomes capitalist
@NeoRhodesian1165 He said that about Communism LMFAO
“Fascism is the merger of state and corporations”
Lefties when the state merged with corporations: “wooooooah yeah baby that’s what I’ve been waiting for”
Vaush the grifter. Why are we still talking about him?
YT would be better off completely ignoring breadtube.
Mostly because Dev uses Vaush's bs as a jumping off point to discuss Socialism, Communism, Fascism, and other authoritarian philosophies. It helps to have a contemporary example of one of those ideologies "thought leaders" (an ironic term considering the lack of thought needed to buy into socialism to begin with) to use as an example in videos, and use examples of that person's utterances as prompts to demonstrate the problems with that ideology with further evidence, literature, and historical examples. (As Dev did in this video)
Like it or not, Vaush is one of the most popular breadtubers, and people do listen to what he has to say. As ill informed and braindead as those things are.
He's popular and a good real-world font of ways socialists are sketchy. If he didn't broadcast his slime to the world, we'd be ripping on someone else... like Thought Slime.
Vaush should trade names. Thought Slime is such an adequate representation of Vaush...
"Well you're a liar so, I can't trust you. No, you can't disprove me."
Communists genuinely remind me of the sentinels from X-Men, made to destroy the mutant gene, they eventually started destroying humans because "they can SENSE the mutant gene in the human's lineage"
Vaush is calling libertarians fascist?
The anti-authority, small government, do what you want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, group... Is now fascist?
Vaush has absolutely zero clue what fascism is.
Fascism is defined as anyone who oppose/prevent a communist revolution from happening according to them. That's how SocDem were called "social fascists"
Plus the extreme negative connotation with that word.
@@Nathan-jh1ho you're right. They're playing it straight out of the Soviet book.