We are not just subscribed here for the academic subject, mate.... It is the captivating storyteller who keeps it all intact and moving into the future consciences. Without you, there would be no story to tell.
Jon, you put a unique spin on the stories, and help us understand them at an almost unbelievable level. I will forever be grateful that RUclips put your channel in my path!
Let’s say that 1% or less of anything that existed in antiquity has survived for us to find. What you and others have been able to piece together is astounding! It boggles my mind what we still don’t know. Thanks for following the faint breadcrumb trail that we do have. Thank you for your scholarship. 😎✌️
The diving creation myth is the one i heard. The slavic version. It was said to be Svarog (i think, or Svarozhits, i never tell them apart) and Veles both on a boat. Essentially they got bored and wanted to sleep on land so Svarog (i think) dove and threw the mud and made land. Long story short, Veles was jealous so he tried drowning Svarog in his sleep by dragging him off the bed, from the house and into the sea but new land was being created from sea as he dragged him. Eventually Svarog woke up at dawn realizing what had happened and they fought. Both had a supporting animal, Veles had a dragon i think, about Svarog i dont remember. Veles got defeated and thrown into the underworld to rule over it and Svarog rose to the skies to rule over the world above. Humans were made to be the medium world inhabitants, or were born from mud without any help of gods, depending on who answers the question. The dragon of veles was chained down in the depths of earth and each year its chains get loose so the god has to get from skies back to the underworld to get it new chains. It corelates with winter and if it escapes there will be an eternal winter. Spring appears when the chains get fixed. Im not too sure, that is what i was told, i forgot most of it. But we got a diver!
I am so glad that you raised the O'Conner / Peterson / Hawkins debate. I tag/mention you in all of O'Conners videos that cover myth. It was one of those debates where I wish Hawkins was aware of your work. He would have told Peterson to sit down. Great video. Your work transends just myth, but outs the human experience into its true context, the evolution of this planet, and all its inhabitants.
@benjiman_OBE exactly. Got to love it. It was in fact Atun-Shei that brought it to my attention by having a video saying; "do not try to do this, but damn Flint Dibble did well, and damn what a perfect name".
There was a time I thought you were going to make a connection between the earth diver myth and genesis. Now I’m at the point where you are making a connection between dragon myths and genesis. The evolution of myths is truly fascinating
Mesopotaimia was also a big geographical flood risk. Where the ancient Egyptian gods were alot less sadistic with their floods and storms: their geography made them alot more stable. Gilgamesh came from mesopotamia, so did the old testament god. The gods in a land which was constantly conquered under new empires and had many natural catastrophes: had the most brutal gods. Where the Egyptians had a stable political system for centuries and alot less prone to natural catastrophe: had nicer gods, with less floods. Just wanted to add some contextual flavour. 👐
Also, chuckles at the unsuccessful rock-band joke - although, in a way, we are still hearing their songs from 140 thousand years ago in these myths, which is mindblowing!
Good day Jon, another grand one. Keep up the great work you are doing, to teach/share these topics with everyone. You brought to light topics I never knew about. For that I thank you. Have a great weekend!
what an incredible video. you're amazing. I hope this brings you encouragement to keep doing what you do. it brings so much joy to me to connect with ancestors through sacred truths, now feat. artifacts! thank you.
There is also “bara” in Genesis translated “god created”. “Bara” means to “fatten” or “fill up”. Elohim “gods” is also used as opposed to El “god”. A translation can be rendered “at the beginning of this cycle, the gods filled the heavens and the earth”. This translation matches Babylonian, Egyptian and Assyrian variations of children gods issuing forth from the heavens and the earth filling up the cosmos (and at times being noisy). Also: really glad this channel exists. Good stuff!
From what was the divine created the heaven and within it/under it/also(?) the place of the living. My translation. Note: the word for earth in Hebrew is very close to English. The last letter in Hebrew has no equivalent and sounds like ts. Th sounds close to it. E-a-r-ts
“Creative things” you say? I sit listening to this video as I work on embroidery by the lamp - a modern day equivalent of ancient campfire light… The craft tradition continues.
But wouldn't the verb have to agree numerically with the noun in order for it to be read as a plural (bara is a singular verb)? if you read "Elohim" in the plural here it would look something like "the gods creates", which sounds a bit awkward in both languages.
@ good question! I read an explanation some time ago (so forgive lack of sources and if I’m misremembering) but it noted a couple of explanations. 1. The “elohim” as an amplifier of power to a singular identity (fairly common explanation). 2. Both bara and elohim being results of attempts to establish monotheism but with vestiges of already established terms. Bara only occurs in Hebrew Biblical terms as “created”, in the surrounding related North Western Semitic languages it did not mean this. Bara was actively altered and distorted in meaning for “special circumstances” from meaning “fatten”, “fill” or “increasing” in the Norwest Semitic languages to mean “the special act of creatio ex nihilo of God”. The vestige terms were brought forward but transformed to suit monotheistic consolidation. From the 8th century bce to 1st century Judaism still had polytheistic practices and identities. The Biblical complaints about Asherahs pointing to ongoing polytheism and the known relationships with surrounding traditions and creation stories give support to the “special use” being more a redefinition of common terms applied to suit ends. Like “faith” losing relationship to “fidelity” (to law) and transforming meaning to a special state of unquestioning belief or acceptance.
I’ve been watching this channel long enough that when I saw that interview with Alex O’Connor and Jordan Peterson I was also very frustrated. So gratifying to hear you mention it. Alex should get you on his program.
Your videos are always excellent! I have started to use The Cosmic hunt as a story I tell for children in our small planetarium at the museum I work at. We also have a known stone age site from 10000 years ago outside of here. So I talk about constellations and how myths change but still remain the same at heart. I use the saami version of the myth since it involve so many other stars beside Ursa Major and with the many participants it makes for a rich story to tell. I do point out that we cannot know for certain that it was the saamis version they told in south Sweden 10000 years ago, but maybe something like it. I also point out that whatever version they would have told it would be adapted to their local landscape. "It makes no sense to tell a story about hunting an elk in north Africa, but an antelope is perfect" I use to say. I also make use of the special motif where the hunter, Favdna, finally gets a shot at Saarva, the great elk, but realize that Stella polaris sits close to his line of sight. And if he accidentaly hits that, Heaven will fall down and crusch the Earth. Saarva is cunning and makes sure to keep the star between him and Favdna. That is why the hunt is still going on today. Based on my own expirience and upbrining as a hunter, I tell the childern that this is what really makes Favdna such a great hunter. Because more important than knowing when and where to shoot, the most important lesson is knowing when you absolute should not shot! That knowledge is what makes a really good and wise hunter. Since my youngest son now wants to become a hunter, I have talked about this subject. If you feel hesitant, no matter how little, do not shot! Because if you by accident shot and the bullets hits someones house, or if you just wound the animal and gives it a long agonizing death, that is something you might have to carry with you through life.
Even as most film writers are based on some fiction, we can all recall a dialogue of characters from ages existing 900+ years ago talking about "They Will Sing Songs About You."
Studies of mythology have got extra boost with development of computers like genetics have. There is an anthropologist in Russia Yuri Berezkin who created a database of myths and it allows to investigate which one are old and how people moved in prehistory. The method allows to distinguish what stories came with people from Africa and what was created later.
I’m guessing you are new here, Yuri has asked me to work with him, and I have enhanced and expanded his work and as part of this have created the mythology database.
Interesting to think about hunger and sex being why we lost immortality, two things that can make humans act like wild animals. I can definitely see ancient people looking at a hangry person and thinking, yeah that story makes sense.
@@moomin1632 I guess my mind went more to a focus on the community rather than the individual and something about the fragility of life. If humans were hypothetically immortal, they would not starve to death. If humans were immortal, they would not need children or children would quickly be in overabundance. I feel like it's a contrast and worry between the advantages and disadvantages presented by human limitations versus the idea of having more divine qualities. And I'm someone who's actively religious and believes in some reality behind some myths, but from a literary point of view that's what I take from it.
So in the beginning there where no sex, no eating and no death? Actually, it's kind of true biologically that death is connected to sex. Before sex there were just cell division and although cells could certainly die, if they didn't they just continued to exist, dividing now and then (with some lineages Immortal). For sexual reproduction however, death is certain. Now with food.. idk 😅
This is amazing. Awesome content! Please do continue doing videos without a script. Also, I would love if you could do an episode on Slavic mythology or Creation.
This is such a treat! I had an intuition that this is going to be special and decided to delay watching until I can dedicate a special evening to it. Didn't regret a slightest! This was a pure enjoyment for 58 minutes 20 seconds. Thank you very much!
This has been an excellent, engaging and informative presentation. The fact that it was unscripted makes it all the more impressive and marks you as a remarkable expert in your field.
Amazing video Jon! It's great how you show the ages of the myths side by side, and how you concisely lay out the evolution of them. This is perfect for newcomers, and I like to recommend your channel to anyone interested in myths, but I do hunger for some more in-depth content, especially on how the stories of abrahamic religions came to be told as they were. Love all you do, and thank you for making this information accessible!
Thank you, I'll be going back to deep dive analysis in a month or so, I just have one more commentary video, talking about Jordan Peterson, Graham Hancock, and alike first.
@@mikkel6938 If you're looking for some more content specifically focused on the Abrahamic religions, I'd reccomend the channel Esoterica, as well as the Old Testament lecture videos by Christina Hayes on the Yale courses channel.
@FranciT98 Thanks! I love Esoterica, but still, I feel like Jon brings something different to the table when it comes to the possible origins of these kinds of tales, and he serves to bring a broader perspective to the realm of myth in my opinion.
Thank you for this wonderfully interesting video. If one of my fellow Americans can’t keep their mind out of the gutter when someone says “cosmic hunt”, that’s on them.
Thanks for a great live show - a really good dive into the matter, which really made me wish I'd gone to University to study it 50 years ago - but your Mythology Database wasn't available then, so the course would've been disappointing. Your intro countdown was exactly right for me to grab myself a cup of tea, too. Proper job!
I taught myself to read at 4-1/2 years old, and the stories I remember from that part of my life are myths and folktales. Specifically, I recall reading simplified versions of the tale of Bacchus and Philemon, as well as that of Pygmalion and Galatea. I was about 8 years old when myths started bring a specific interest for me. You have obviously gone into it more thoroughly than I ever did, and I can only thank you!
it's so beautiful to hear how we were once connected as a species through our ability to tell stories and these wonderful ways we interpreted the world. I'm not anti technology or anything but I do admire the human spirit before science and technology killed our gods and legends.
I never really thought of the logic of being immortal and having to eat until that Death story. I guess immortality does not preclude eternal suffering from starvation.
I'm an American and have no difficulty whatsoever with your accent. I suspect most won't. I apologize on behalf of the goof who "didn't" understand, probably either playing games (likely) or lives in a bubble.
I know we may never have physical evidence, but I wonder if we can say anything about modern humans, Neanderthals or Denisovans as the original tellers of these stories? Some of the oldest myths outlined here could point to origins deeper than modern humans. Thank you so much for sharing your work with us. I always look forward to the next and find myself going back again and again!!
There are a few people in this field trying to see if we can prove this, but as yet we haven't found anything that could be considered as strong evidence for an origin of a myth coming from one of those human groups.
@@Crecganford in this context you should mention your video about the magic wife myth Jon! Not evidence for N/D origins, but sure interesting as a possible trace of contacts between modern and archaic humans :) Also, can only agree with all the others, this is another wonderful video, from a wonderful channel, by a wonderful person! And it makes both a great introduction video to your channel I imagine, and a great video for long time watchers with call-backs to so many of your great videos. You Mr Jon ARE Rock n Roll 🤟
I hope you read this comment Crecganford, because I have a question I want to ask, I am curious about. I find your work stimulating and qualified, I follow it with interest. Your work on the dragon and world serpent myths impressed me a lot. The duality of death and life is a very basic concept in ancient Egyptian mythology. Like Osiris, Isis and Seth, Ra and Apep are a similar theme. In both themes, the Nile is again very important, the place of the land of the dead is always related to the flow of the Nile. Many paintings, frescoes, etc. depicting the war between Ra and Apep caught my attention. Apep/Apophis is called "Lord of Chaos". However, this monster is depicted as if it were the Nile River itself. Although it is stated that the reason for this is that the snake is very large. In addition, this snake is the oldest dark entity according to belief, older than Ra. My question is: Can we reach the older foundations of ancient Egyptian belief? Could Apophis/Apep originally be the Nile River itself in an earlier period? Indeed, later they associated the Nile with gods and goddesses such as Hapi, Nephthys, Khnum, Satet, Sobek (crocodile form), Anuket. Do you have a video that touches on this subject?
That's a great question, and one I could only answer if I carried out research on it, to understand how old our Egyptian myths are.... or to understand if myths around Egypt may have been told earlier in Egypts history but have since been replaced.
I wonder if Marcus Mumford of Mumford & Sons knew about the Lion Man when he wrote the song "Little Lion Man"? As an Aussie living in Mindanao Philippines, I'm familiar with the Rainbow Serpent myth from Australia, and creation myths here in the Philippines. The most well known creation myth in the Philippines involves the first man and woman emerging from a bamboo stalk with the assistance of a bird, known in Tagalog as the "Sarimanok". In Tagalog "sari" means "variety", which is why small stores in local areas are often called "sari-sari" stores, because they sell a wide variety of items. "Manok" means "chicken". I've seen the Sarimanok depicted as a large multi-coloured chicken flying above the bamboo and pecking at it to help the first people emerge. The first man was "Malakas" ("Strong"), and the first woman "Maganda" ("Beautiful"). There seem to be elements of the "Humans Ascending" myths and the Bird Scout myths, because the Sarimanok is a helper. My wife is a Higaonon baylan, and the Higaonon people and other tribes from Bukidnon in Mindanao have flood myths, which include local features, such as the mountains whose peaks are not inundated. I go along with your thinking that the widespread flood myths don't necessarily reflect a worldwide catastrophe. There's even a flood myth in the eastern part of Mindanao that involves a giant crab coming up out of the sea and causing the flood. Since the tribes from Bukidnon didn't have a writing system, the stories were only written when told to people who could write. This is similar to what happened with the flood myths in Australia. The myths were transmitted orally, through song and rituals, in the past.
I loved this talk and found it fascinating! Your explanation of the garden of eden and how it is derived from two other myths really made sense. I've known about snakes representing immortality for a long time because they shed their skin, and have wanted a breakdown of the serpent in eden for a while now. So thanks. Also, since I've found your channel, I've learned that none of these gods are real, even Jesus/Adonai/holy ghost. I've been atheist for a while now, but you clear all of the smoke and reveal the "man behind the curtain." I realize that academia has known the stories in the Old Testament and New Testament have comparable myths of old. But to have recently been exposed to this knowledge by you is eye opening to say the least! And to learn of all of the other amazing myths and how they morph is really cool! In Monstrum Dr. Emily Zarka states that Tiamat's form is ambiguous. She said she is made of water and humanoid. You say she is a serpent/dragon. Can you elaborate?
Thank you. As for Tiamat, it is complicated, she has many forms depending on her context, we even see in one translation she is also a cow, suggesting external cultural influence from the Indo-Europeans. Perhaps I should make a video about it, leave it with me.
excellent video - one of your best I think! This topic makes me ponder what made humans want to tell these stories? Humans want to explain things, I suppose to help them survive better? So, is science sort of like our modern mythos?
Could you do a video about ancient religious jewelry and what people wore to honor their gods and for protection in Greek times and other time periods around the world. Like oath rings, necklaces with Hercules club and thors hammer, and anything else of that nature.
I had to look up the Evenki people, and I saw the culture of my Anishnaabe in-laws there. I’m looking up the Hades story that overlaps with an American one now. They want to see it.
Enki the Annunaki God of the water is also known as EA and EA translates to John as in John the Baptist/ the man of the water. So baptism traces back to ancient Sumer.
The Comic Hunt. Written by Mike Hunt and Jack Mehoff. I know this comment lacks maturity but you comment about accent and your words being misunderstood just made me chuckle.
American archaeologist Eric H. Cline, who wrote 1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed, he just updated this book, claiming the Late Bronze Age collapse was from Solar Activity, he said it wasn't nearly as bad as the one 1,000 years earlier.
Fantastic presentation ! The archetype theory certainly has some holes in it. Like the mother earth goddess "archetype" because with Egypt and Kachins we have mother sky and father earth. Many other exceptions. "Archetypes" theory seems more like philosophical correlation than scientifically proven causation.
Is there a book outlining the old testament parallels and reworkings of older myths? You’ve mentioned three examples of that here, would be fascinating to see a deep dive of the topic.
I have made videos about the story of immortality, and the creation myth, and when my book comes out (hopefully in 2026) it will discuss much of this in far more detail.
@Crecganford I found you when you created the Dragon Cave Ritual video, and have hyper linked your video in my research paper. In the study of Metaphysics we lack words and examples to define the many layers of spirit. Just to define the types of men who turn to the explanation of flesh being the only mode of communication we use the Greek word hylic. A common reference on the New Testament, an early church phrase, flesh (babies). Have you ever encountered an old man who only has one story (myth) and that’s the only story he tells? What do you suppose the other modes of transferring information across the Great Forge are? I was recently giving an example of doppelganger. And you are a prime example of one I encounter in Scranton. I was renting an apartment and a new resident moved in and was always found in the designated smoking area. The first time I encountered him I had to do a double take, because I had just found your RUclips channel. Eventually I had to ask him where is he from, and showed him your channel and he couldn’t believe it, it was like looking into a mirror, your exact appearance in every way. Father Scorpio ~
Bwahahaha!!! 😂 from America re: silly accidents from any kind of accents. Now have another sip of tea, and don’t trouble yourself from any nonsense negative commentary- your serious fans who care about the actual content are just as tuned in as always!!!
Earth Diver has struck me as a tale one might use to describe the lowering of sea levels (rising of islands) witnessed by humans as the ice gobbled up the ocean. "The earliest writings that we have are religious texts' AND receipts and lists of goods. The Hopi myth of escaping up a straw from the flooding world and instructed by ant to split into clans and go as far as possible in each of the four directions, then to settle at the crossing and perform a set of rituals - some people quit and settled before completing the assignment. This is as I recall from 59 years ago. Would be interested in this and other, related myths from the 'Americas'. [Such as Snake Mounds in the Eastern US, pyramids, and the Twins of the Popal Vue]
@@Crecganford The question would be how rapidly did the oceans fall. Mammoths were entombed in ice - apparently instantly over a large land area. That icing would lower sea levels at the same rate (?). So, Instantly? Within a day? A week? The mammoths had eaten breakfast and didn't make dinner. I have no answer, but a (to me) compelling question. I also have a prejudice toward human imagination being fueled by observed phenomenon - grampa's rantings become fictions to great grand children. But, the 'miracles' are remembered and become rock-and-roll in the retelling.
@@Thomas_H_Sears Here's one answer to your frozen mammoth conundrum: Ice floes get stranded and buried in silt, then melt, leaving a 'kettle-hole lake' which is very steep-sided. When the top gets iced-over, that lake is an inescapable pooh-trap for any animal that crosses the ice above it. If a mammoth fell in, others would try to help it and suffer the same fate. That's exactly how a mother and her calf died in Shropshire, England. The anoxic conditions would be good for near-intact preservation. There are several kettle-hole lakes extant in Herefordshire in the flats left from former glacial lake-beds which are a few miles outside the limit of the former ice-sheet. These lakes of melt-water - dammed by ice-floes - periodically over-brimmed to establish new water courses and valleys, braiding between the rivers Wye and Severn and even reversing their flow. The ice dams also breached catastrophically, probably seasonally, leading to floods which incised existing meanders of the flood plain during the isostatic orogeny as the mass of ice melted. Thus the Severn and Wye Gorges formed, and the Severn Estuary Gorge (silted during inundation as sea levels rose). These flash floods would kill a lot of mammoths as the ice-sheet receded, burying many of them in mud or sand. Some corpses would sink into the peat bogs which characterise the tundra surrounding receding ice-sheets. Not mythology though... another rabbit-hole of mine.
@@lindsayheyes925 Thanks for the info. Ice-sink traps explain some preservations. And explains the complexes etched at the fronts of the ice. Topology traces of active sheets. However, there are still those with undigested tropical/temperate foliage in gut, unexplained by ice-sink traps. Must have been a brutal and sudden change of environment. All this is based on my understanding of the results of my observations and studies. There is always room for error.
Can we get more of of these "how we know this" instead of "what we know is"? I advocated for this before, not sure if it matters, but I noticed on Mythopia something similar, and I think it is such a good idea, for all thoss who don't -believe- your hard work and scientific approach, to understand that there is nothing to believe. You know, based on evidence and scientific study. When you say there is no god, god was invented and evolved from animism, you can show the hard evidence that you are basing your theory on.
I do try and make videos covering both, such as my previous video on Finding the Oldest Myths which explain this in one video. But next year I will reduce the amount of content I make, but with the intention of making it deeper, and so including analysis like this will be easier.
This is my favorite version of this video you have done. It didn't go off on too many tangents and covered more people/regions of the world. So what we learn from this is humans have always had a thing about snakes. We are also hyper aware of snakes like other apes/monkeys. It is crazy that we have carried that for probably millions of years. Our greatest foe.
During the last ice age there were most likely too many local flood events across the northern hemisphere to really put a date on when the first flood myths took place, just take the Missoula lake floods in America, in that short span there were more than 10 huge floods. Also like the differences in the floods origins being rain in locations where there were no glaciers and torrents of water in the more ice locked parts
I believe the scholarly consensus on Genesis 1 is that it contains a “temporal clause” & should be understood to mean that the earth, tehom, & darkness were already present for YHWH to utilize. I also believe the consensus is that Genesis 1 is a demythologized amalgam of older Jewish traditions around the conflict of YHWH & Leviathan/Rahab (that are reflexes of the Ugaritic Ba’al cycle) with some reformatting of the Babylonian conflict/creation myth during the exilic period. Would also look into myths about *rainbows* specifically. There’s many myths around the world of rainbows being meat-eaters, holding back waters, living in waterfalls, in conflict with thunder/lightning, having horns, being offended by menstruation, having fire/fetid breath, etc.
Great video, thankyou! Do you think the 'snake' in the 'death myths' is distinct from the 'snake-dragon'? I ask because in other videos you've mentioned the evidence of the snake beheading ritual in caves. I ask, as I'm getting quite interested/obsessed with the mesoamerican calendar, and the symbols for their 20 days. The first day represents Cipactli, the crocodilian earth monster, who is ultimately killed to make the earth by that represented in the second day, the 'wind god' Quetzalcoatl, ie) blowing in the face (another god, Tezcatlipoca, was also involved). Later on in the day sequence is the sign 'snake', distinct from the 'earth dragon', but in Zapotec the name maybe means 'bad omen'. 'Snake' is followed by the day 'Death'. I find it fascinating how the symbolism persists...
@Crecganford In the end I went into the mythology database, and I saw that the motif is often with a snake, but often some other animal. But the interesting legend was how humans were immortal while they shedded their skins, like a snake, but somehow the snakes got that power instead of man. I'd love a video where you reconstruct the 'loss of immortality' myth and find it's probable origin, like you have done with others...
It is a motif as opposed to a myth, and so myths would contain this motif. Wiki didn't have the "cosmic hunt" myth until I made a video about it. But one day they will catch up, but it should not be used as a primary source of information for research. Instead use the mythology database, look for motif E5a, and there will be bibliographic references to myths that contain the motif. I hope that helps.
Adam is Idim In Sumerian mythology, Ninti is the goddess known as the "Lady of the Rib", Ninti was created by Ninhursag to heal Enki's rib after he ate forbidden flowers and was cursed. The myth of Ninti was later adapted in the Book of Genesis as the story of Eve created from Adam's rib. Adam is Idim, a pre-monotheist Sumerian god. Adam was also referred to as God Ea (Enki) and had many other nicknames over the years. What does "dim" mean in Sumerian, look it up, you see it in Dimshah.
The odd thing is, they hunted animals, and I'm sure they knew of No Bear with a Long Tail like you see on Ursa Major, another problem is, the ancient Greeks caller Ursa Minor a Dog not a bear, "Cynosura", which means "dog's tail", however a variant of Λυκόσουρα, which means "wolf's tail", connecting with the Egyptian's Standing Wolf Wepwawet, the Wolf headed war god son of the Big Dipper, the Loins of Seth (Set), Thigh of the Bull's Leg. Even Ursa doesn't fit, "Ur" is a Sumerian word meaning Dog or Wolf, 'sa' means Muscle Sinew, 'ur' could be a bear too, urgula and urmal both means Lion and Great Dog, the 'gula' is from 'gal' and 'mal' both means Great, Uru in Sumerian means "man, hero", like Indo-European Vira/Vir/Eros. urbarra 𒌨𒁇𒊏 “wolf” (“outside dog”) urmah 𒌨𒈤 or urgula 𒌨𒄖𒆷 “lion” (both meaning “great dog”) urdib 𒌨𒁳 or urnim 𒌨𒉏 “lion cub” ( “early dog”) ura 𒌨𒀀 “otter” (“water dog”) urki 𒌨𒆠 “badger” (“earth dog”) uridim 𒌨𒅂 “wild dog, rabid dog” (“wild dog”) urbigu 𒌨𒁉𒅥 “jackal” (“eating-everything dog”) urbigu 𒌨𒁉𒅥𒄷 “vulture” (“jackal bird”) urshub 𒌨𒍤𒆸 “tiger, cheetah” (“dog (in the) rushes”) urshubkuda 𒌨𒍤𒆸𒋻𒁕 “leopard” (“dog (in the) cut-short rushes”) words like urtur 𒌨𒌉 “puppy”, urgir 𒌨𒆪 “watchdog”, and ursaga “pampered dog”. Urtur or is it Arcas, Ur=dog tu=to create ur=dog In Greek mythology, Arcas was the son of Zeus and Callisto, and the ancestor and eponymous hero of Arcadia. Ur-Nungal of Uruk was the heir of Gilgamesh, seen as Orion the Great Hunter. Vega was associated with the Goddess of Dogs, known as Bau-Gula, mother of the heroes. placing Vega, our old Pole star from 12,000 years ago, @ mid heaven, you find Ursa Major standing on the northern horizon, sitting on the southern horizon, the 7 stars outlining a Cave we call Ophiuchus. Except for Dubhe and Alkaid, the stars of the Big Dipper all have proper motions heading toward a common point in Sagittarius, next to Ophiuchus, which is the center of our galaxy, Sagittarius was known as Pabilsag the husband of Bau-Gula, she was known as Baba, the wife of the warrior(ur-sag) Zababa, seen as the right leg of Ophiuchus. Ninurta, also known as Ninĝirsu, was the Mesopotamian god of farming, healing, hunting, law, scribes, and war. Ninurta is associated with Zababa, Ninurta and Zababa shared many epithets.
The alignment above with Vega at mid heaven, with Ursa Major on one horizon and Ophiuchus on the other takes place during the day, where I was born, it takes place at 12:00 noon Christmas day, this after watching the sun rise off the top of the sleeping bear, we called Bear Mountain, every Christmas morning. 7 hours later, Ursa sits down on her butt. Vega was the Dog Headed goddess Bau-Gula, the ancient Greeks called Ursa Minor (Polaris) the Dog's Tail. Earth is tilted 23.4 degrees towards Polaris, the same degree tile placed on the other side of Earth, points towards Vega, was it Polaris, The Dog's Tail, that came down and sat at mid heaven Christmas day 12,000 years ago? Ursa Minor was the Wolf Headed war god Wepwawet, his title was Opener of the Ways, on the Egyptian star map, he is the Crocodile Skin that Taweret wears on her head, like the Wolf Warriors wore Wolf Skins on their heads, 'ur' means Wolf, 'sag' means Head, ursag means Warrior. Wepwawet was said to be the brother of Anubis. Anu means Heaven or Sky, bis means tears, bi,s,su, 'flow of tears'.
@@arieverhoeff9141 That wasn't Ursa Major, that was the Big Dipper, it has only 7 stars. There are 20 main stars within Ursa Major, of which 7 form the Big Dipper of Ursa Major's tail. If that was the case, than that means there are 3 hunters chasing ursa Minor, where's that story. This isn't the first time I left this comment on this channel. I say Dog, because the ancient Greeks seen Ursa Minor as a Dog, both the Sumerians and Egyptians the Standing Wolf, both are associated with riding a Plough, which was another name of the Big Dipper. The Sumerians wolf was the Seed Funnel, Standing (Hanging) on the Plough Handle, the opening at the bottom. The Big Dipper was associated with Seth, "Thigh of the Bull's Leg", uru is a Sanskrit word that means "thigh". The sign for the son of Seth is a Standing Wolf on a Plow, Wepwawet, his tiltes are "Protector of the Belly", "Opener of the Way". The Hunter and Bear story is coming from one source, or a group of Native Americans, which also has a story of Orion being a Hand with an eye in the center? After death, you had one chance to jump thru the eye, as Orion is part of the Silver Gate of Man. A Welsh poem of the 15th century tells how Prince Madog sailed away in 10 ships and discovered America. Early explorers and pioneers found evidence of possible Welsh influence among the native tribes of America along the Tennessee and Missouri Rivers. In the 18th century one local tribe was discovered that seemed different to all the others that had been encountered before. Called the Mandans this tribe were described as white men with forts, towns and permanent villages laid out in streets and squares. They claimed ancestry with the Welsh and spoke a language remarkably similar to it. Instead of canoes, Mandans fished from coracles, an ancient type of boat still found in Wales today. It was also observed that unlike members of other tribes, these people grew white-haired with age. In addition, in 1799 Governor John Sevier of Tennessee wrote a report in which he mentioned the discovery of six skeletons encased in brass armor bearing the Welsh coat of arms. If you ask me this is his sad attempt to debunk my comments I've left on his channel in the past, he didn't like my sarcastic Hand Basket comment on his last video, all he could say was "I didn't Watch his video", when I replied , telling what he said in the video about them, I pointed out that my version sounded better than his, even showing why it does, he never came back to rebut comment, so I told him 3 days later, he lost the debate, his silence means he submits to my version (being sarcastic again ha ha ha). I think this is because I disagree with some of his version of ancient mythology, stated it in the past. Your comment doesn't debunk my comment either. He doesn't like it when I say that the Gates call speak. The Golden Gate is associated with Sagittarius, the Silver Gate with Orion, playing "Say There Is A Guest, They All Rule" in reverse will echo "Orion, Sagittarius", The Lion Man is the Gate Keeper, play the words "Way, I'll Open It, So They Go, See God", which echoes "August, Regulus, Denebola, Leo". What about the Twin Lions on each side of the goddess sitting on her throne. "I Cupps, Scare Earth My Arm Of Nuit", played in reverse echoes "Vindemiatrix, Spica", "Her Mithras, Boy Girl" echoes "Virgo, September". Lewallyn is from Llewellyn, a boy/girl name, meaning Like a Lion, in Irish, cup-la means Twin, Roger means "Famous Spear", associated with the Lions, meaning of McCullough, pick an animal, most likely it will be a culluch. "Culhwch" is a Welsh name that refers to the main character in the Arthurian story Culhwch and Olwen. The name is pronounced with the final consonant sounding like the Scottish word "loch". In the story, Culhwch is the son of Cilydd and Goleuddydd, and a cousin of Arthur. The story explains that Culhwch's name means "sow run," which comes from the Welsh words "cul" meaning "narrow" and "hwch" meaning "sow" or "pig". However, this is likely to be folk etymology. Orion was known as Sah, Sahu the Hidden One", 'sah' is Sumerian for Pig, 'sahu' means Boar. The McCulloughs are descents of the Iazyges, Indo-Iranians, who has a story of a boy pulling a Sword out the ground, becoming a King. The Iazyges were a cavalry military group sent to Britain by the Romans in the 2nd century, creating the King Arthur legend. I am Weylyn (son of the Wolf), Wyn (Pure), Lewallyn (Like a Lion), Roger (Famous Spear) Cupps-McCullough. Place the Sword of Orion on the western horizon on September 6th 2040, look at all the visible planets aligned with Spica. cullach means a castrated boar, which is the telling of Hours amputating the Thigh of Seth known as the Black Boar. Hatysa is the Sword at the tip of Orion's Sword. it means Slaughter, Iazyges means "To Sacrifice". My comments Scare Jon, do they scare you too Boo! how bout now, did that scare you, ha ha ha
Interesting point you make about the two variations of earth creation myths, the earth diver and the emergeance of humans. From my unqualified perspective, it seems that Aztec myth uses both of these. Following the flood after the 4th sun, Tezcaltlipoca and Quetzilcoalt go into the water to kill the earth monster to create earth. Later on Quetzilcoalt goes under the earth to bring up the bones of earth's previous inhabitants from Mictlan to resurrect them as modern humans. Do these share a connection to those myths, or are these completely different architypes?
That is not an easy question to answer, we would have to look at all the variants to have confidence in any relationships with other myths from earlier cutlures. But certainly the dragon in the sea to create the earth is very probably connected and from an older source from Eurasia originally.
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We are not just subscribed here for the academic subject, mate.... It is the captivating storyteller who keeps it all intact and moving into the future consciences. Without you, there would be no story to tell.
Thank you, I don't consider myself a great storyteller, not compared to people like Jon Mason, but I do appreciate your kind words.
Jon, you put a unique spin on the stories, and help us understand them at an almost unbelievable level. I will forever be grateful that RUclips put your channel in my path!
Let’s say that 1% or less of anything that existed in antiquity has survived for us to find. What you and others have been able to piece together is astounding! It boggles my mind what we still don’t know. Thanks for following the faint breadcrumb trail that we do have. Thank you for your scholarship. 😎✌️
The diving creation myth is the one i heard. The slavic version.
It was said to be Svarog (i think, or Svarozhits, i never tell them apart) and Veles both on a boat. Essentially they got bored and wanted to sleep on land so Svarog (i think) dove and threw the mud and made land.
Long story short, Veles was jealous so he tried drowning Svarog in his sleep by dragging him off the bed, from the house and into the sea but new land was being created from sea as he dragged him.
Eventually Svarog woke up at dawn realizing what had happened and they fought.
Both had a supporting animal, Veles had a dragon i think, about Svarog i dont remember.
Veles got defeated and thrown into the underworld to rule over it and Svarog rose to the skies to rule over the world above.
Humans were made to be the medium world inhabitants, or were born from mud without any help of gods, depending on who answers the question.
The dragon of veles was chained down in the depths of earth and each year its chains get loose so the god has to get from skies back to the underworld to get it new chains.
It corelates with winter and if it escapes there will be an eternal winter.
Spring appears when the chains get fixed.
Im not too sure, that is what i was told, i forgot most of it.
But we got a diver!
You dodge the cosmic hunt bullet but dive right into the bad dragon bullet. Glorious.
Absolutely wonderful video Jon, you should go off script more often 😊
Thank you, I did enjoy that, so I may do it again soon.
I am so glad that you raised the O'Conner / Peterson / Hawkins debate. I tag/mention you in all of O'Conners videos that cover myth. It was one of those debates where I wish Hawkins was aware of your work. He would have told Peterson to sit down.
Great video. Your work transends just myth, but outs the human experience into its true context, the evolution of this planet, and all its inhabitants.
Did you see Flint Dibble?
@PalleRasmussen Flint who? I feel you are about to offer more content to consume.
@benjiman_OBE I am indeed. Imagine an archeologist named Flint Dibble. Now imagine him going on Joe Rogan to debate Graham Hancock, and owning him...
@PalleRasmussen I'm all in. Thank you. And what a name for an archaeologist! I know a museum director called Oliver Bone.
@benjiman_OBE exactly. Got to love it. It was in fact Atun-Shei that brought it to my attention by having a video saying; "do not try to do this, but damn Flint Dibble did well, and damn what a perfect name".
There was a time I thought you were going to make a connection between the earth diver myth and genesis. Now I’m at the point where you are making a connection between dragon myths and genesis. The evolution of myths is truly fascinating
That makes perfect sense - that there is not one flood myth, but many, that early humans adapted older traditions to explain current crises.
Mesopotaimia was also a big geographical flood risk. Where the ancient Egyptian gods were alot less sadistic with their floods and storms: their geography made them alot more stable. Gilgamesh came from mesopotamia, so did the old testament god. The gods in a land which was constantly conquered under new empires and had many natural catastrophes: had the most brutal gods. Where the Egyptians had a stable political system for centuries and alot less prone to natural catastrophe: had nicer gods, with less floods.
Just wanted to add some contextual flavour. 👐
Also, chuckles at the unsuccessful rock-band joke - although, in a way, we are still hearing their songs from 140 thousand years ago in these myths, which is mindblowing!
Good day Jon, another grand one. Keep up the great work you are doing, to teach/share these topics with everyone. You brought to light topics I never knew about. For that I thank you. Have a great weekend!
what an incredible video. you're amazing. I hope this brings you encouragement to keep doing what you do. it brings so much joy to me to connect with ancestors through sacred truths, now feat. artifacts! thank you.
Thank you so much for your support, it really is appreciated.
Thank you for this masterpiece, Jon! I enjoyed it immensely.
Thank you for your kind words Radiana, I'm very happy you liked it.
I think the "Cosmic *unt" would also be an immersive experience.
keep it in yer pants, Zipper, and leave that pillow be.
@@Thomas_H_Sears I've always enjoyed bedtime stories.
@@zipperpillow I enjoy writing them.
In Australia that's what we call astrophysicists
He he! I get it....
Gotta love the Cosmic Hunt!
There is also “bara” in Genesis translated “god created”. “Bara” means to “fatten” or “fill up”. Elohim “gods” is also used as opposed to El “god”. A translation can be rendered “at the beginning of this cycle, the gods filled the heavens and the earth”. This translation matches Babylonian, Egyptian and Assyrian variations of children gods issuing forth from the heavens and the earth filling up the cosmos (and at times being noisy).
Also: really glad this channel exists. Good stuff!
From what was the divine created the heaven and within it/under it/also(?) the place of the living.
My translation.
Note: the word for earth in Hebrew is very close to English. The last letter in Hebrew has no equivalent and sounds like ts. Th sounds close to it. E-a-r-ts
Bible astrology is mid AF. Older texts explain what happens before the big bang aka creation of Satan and the physical world of death.
“Creative things” you say?
I sit listening to this video as I work on embroidery by the lamp - a modern day equivalent of ancient campfire light…
The craft tradition continues.
But wouldn't the verb have to agree numerically with the noun in order for it to be read as a plural (bara is a singular verb)? if you read "Elohim" in the plural here it would look something like "the gods creates", which sounds a bit awkward in both languages.
@ good question! I read an explanation some time ago (so forgive lack of sources and if I’m misremembering) but it noted a couple of explanations. 1. The “elohim” as an amplifier of power to a singular identity (fairly common explanation). 2. Both bara and elohim being results of attempts to establish monotheism but with vestiges of already established terms. Bara only occurs in Hebrew Biblical terms as “created”, in the surrounding related North Western Semitic languages it did not mean this. Bara was actively altered and distorted in meaning for “special circumstances” from meaning “fatten”, “fill” or “increasing” in the Norwest Semitic languages to mean “the special act of creatio ex nihilo of God”. The vestige terms were brought forward but transformed to suit monotheistic consolidation. From the 8th century bce to 1st century Judaism still had polytheistic practices and identities. The Biblical complaints about Asherahs pointing to ongoing polytheism and the known relationships with surrounding traditions and creation stories give support to the “special use” being more a redefinition of common terms applied to suit ends. Like “faith” losing relationship to “fidelity” (to law) and transforming meaning to a special state of unquestioning belief or acceptance.
I’ve been watching this channel long enough that when I saw that interview with Alex O’Connor and Jordan Peterson I was also very frustrated. So gratifying to hear you mention it. Alex should get you on his program.
I really liked this one! Easily one of my favorite channels
Thank you.
Your videos are always excellent! I have started to use The Cosmic hunt as a story I tell for children in our small planetarium at the museum I work at. We also have a known stone age site from 10000 years ago outside of here. So I talk about constellations and how myths change but still remain the same at heart. I use the saami version of the myth since it involve so many other stars beside Ursa Major and with the many participants it makes for a rich story to tell. I do point out that we cannot know for certain that it was the saamis version they told in south Sweden 10000 years ago, but maybe something like it. I also point out that whatever version they would have told it would be adapted to their local landscape.
"It makes no sense to tell a story about hunting an elk in north Africa, but an antelope is perfect" I use to say.
I also make use of the special motif where the hunter, Favdna, finally gets a shot at Saarva, the great elk, but realize that Stella polaris sits close to his line of sight. And if he accidentaly hits that, Heaven will fall down and crusch the Earth. Saarva is cunning and makes sure to keep the star between him and Favdna. That is why the hunt is still going on today. Based on my own expirience and upbrining as a hunter, I tell the childern that this is what really makes Favdna such a great hunter. Because more important than knowing when and where to shoot, the most important lesson is knowing when you absolute should not shot!
That knowledge is what makes a really good and wise hunter. Since my youngest son now wants to become a hunter, I have talked about this subject. If you feel hesitant, no matter how little, do not shot! Because if you by accident shot and the bullets hits someones house, or if you just wound the animal and gives it a long agonizing death, that is something you might have to carry with you through life.
That's really amazing to hear that these stories are still being told to our children. Thank you.
Even as most film writers are based on some fiction, we can all recall a dialogue of characters from ages existing 900+ years ago talking about "They Will Sing Songs About You."
Great video! Great introduction for new viewers! Great throw back for return viewers! You rock 🤟
Thanks so much!
Studies of mythology have got extra boost with development of computers like genetics have. There is an anthropologist in Russia Yuri Berezkin who created a database of myths and it allows to investigate which one are old and how people moved in prehistory. The method allows to distinguish what stories came with people from Africa and what was created later.
I’m guessing you are new here, Yuri has asked me to work with him, and I have enhanced and expanded his work and as part of this have created the mythology database.
Interesting to think about hunger and sex being why we lost immortality, two things that can make humans act like wild animals. I can definitely see ancient people looking at a hangry person and thinking, yeah that story makes sense.
@@moomin1632 I guess my mind went more to a focus on the community rather than the individual and something about the fragility of life.
If humans were hypothetically immortal, they would not starve to death. If humans were immortal, they would not need children or children would quickly be in overabundance.
I feel like it's a contrast and worry between the advantages and disadvantages presented by human limitations versus the idea of having more divine qualities.
And I'm someone who's actively religious and believes in some reality behind some myths, but from a literary point of view that's what I take from it.
So in the beginning there where no sex, no eating and no death?
Actually, it's kind of true biologically that death is connected to sex. Before sex there were just cell division and although cells could certainly die, if they didn't they just continued to exist, dividing now and then (with some lineages Immortal). For sexual reproduction however, death is certain. Now with food.. idk 😅
Primordial agnosis is why we lost immortality.
This is amazing. Awesome content! Please do continue doing videos without a script.
Also, I would love if you could do an episode on Slavic mythology or Creation.
Thank you, I may do the same on my next video, and see how it goes.
The Cosmic....pause Hunt.. ha! 😂
Just being extra cautious!
I nearly spat out my tea last time!
@Crecganford.. Try to say that 10 times fast! 😂.. Love your channel and how you tell stories. Thanks so much! 😘
@@Crecganford Needs to be a t-shirt.
@@Crecganfordthank you ❤❤❤
🤯🤯🤯 Beautiful connections!! Thank you for making them and sharing!!
This is such a treat! I had an intuition that this is going to be special and decided to delay watching until I can dedicate a special evening to it. Didn't regret a slightest! This was a pure enjoyment for 58 minutes 20 seconds.
Thank you very much!
Thank you so much for your kind words.
Very in depth and enjoyable presentation. Good work, Jon
Thank you.
Love your work man! Glad you brought up Joe Campbell… you’re better btw!!!! You’re genre defining and historically significant ❤️♥️💙😊
Great way to start my day, thanks! I like the more free flow approach.
Happy to see a new post! Thank you ☺️
Congratulations on 200k subscribers!! Thank you for another fascinating video and for sharing your knowledge with us!!
Thank you! I hope all is well with the reptiles.
This has been an excellent, engaging and informative presentation. The fact that it was unscripted makes it all the more impressive and marks you as a remarkable expert in your field.
Thank you for your kind words.
Hello Creganford! I have my cup of tea (well, coffee) and I'm ready to go!
Loved this, especially all the different Dragon myths.
Absolutely loved following this progression❤️♾️❤️
Thank you, I may do more of these type of videos.
The myth of losing immortality from accepting food of death is reminiscent of the Persephone/Inanna myth as well.
Amazing video Jon!
It's great how you show the ages of the myths side by side, and how you concisely lay out the evolution of them. This is perfect for newcomers, and I like to recommend your channel to anyone interested in myths, but I do hunger for some more in-depth content, especially on how the stories of abrahamic religions came to be told as they were.
Love all you do, and thank you for making this information accessible!
Thank you, I'll be going back to deep dive analysis in a month or so, I just have one more commentary video, talking about Jordan Peterson, Graham Hancock, and alike first.
@Crecganford Sounds like a riveting video! Can't wait to watch it.
Thank you
@@mikkel6938 If you're looking for some more content specifically focused on the Abrahamic religions, I'd reccomend the channel Esoterica, as well as the Old Testament lecture videos by Christina Hayes on the Yale courses channel.
@FranciT98 Thanks! I love Esoterica, but still, I feel like Jon brings something different to the table when it comes to the possible origins of these kinds of tales, and he serves to bring a broader perspective to the realm of myth in my opinion.
Your videos always make my day when they drop!
Nice sum-up video. I shall share it henceforth
Thank you.
Fantastic introduction to the content of a fantastic channel! 😸
Thank you.
Thank you.
😮 my favorite channel😊
This was wonderful. Thank you, Jon!
Thank you.
Thank you for this wonderfully interesting video. If one of my fellow Americans can’t keep their mind out of the gutter when someone says “cosmic hunt”, that’s on them.
Thanks for a great live show - a really good dive into the matter, which really made me wish I'd gone to University to study it 50 years ago - but your Mythology Database wasn't available then, so the course would've been disappointing. Your intro countdown was exactly right for me to grab myself a cup of tea, too. Proper job!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for another great video :)
I taught myself to read at 4-1/2 years old, and the stories I remember from that part of my life are myths and folktales. Specifically, I recall reading simplified versions of the tale of Bacchus and Philemon, as well as that of Pygmalion and Galatea. I was about 8 years old when myths started bring a specific interest for me. You have obviously gone into it more thoroughly than I ever did, and I can only thank you!
it's so beautiful to hear how we were once connected as a species through our ability to tell stories and these wonderful ways we interpreted the world. I'm not anti technology or anything but I do admire the human spirit before science and technology killed our gods and legends.
Lovely breakdown and analysis. Hail!
This was such a great presentation!
Thank you.
I never really thought of the logic of being immortal and having to eat until that Death story. I guess immortality does not preclude eternal suffering from starvation.
Thank-you very much, that was wonderful 😅❤
Thank you Jon.
I can't wait to watch this one tomorrow.
Thanks again for another fascinating video.!
Thank you.
I can't believe I actually caught this live (at the expense of sleep)!
I can only speculate what rhythms with hunt 🤔
I understand you perfectly well.
Hi 👋 new subscriber.
I've already got my tea at the ready!
I'm an American and have no difficulty whatsoever with your accent. I suspect most won't. I apologize on behalf of the goof who "didn't" understand, probably either playing games (likely) or lives in a bubble.
Do you have any videos that focus specifically on Lithuanian mythology? (Loving ur channel so far btw)
Not yet, but I am putting something together on Lithuania.
@ thats awesome im definitely gonna be keeping my eye out for that one
Ah. What a wonderful new puzzle piece!
I know we may never have physical evidence, but I wonder if we can say anything about modern humans, Neanderthals or Denisovans as the original tellers of these stories? Some of the oldest myths outlined here could point to origins deeper than modern humans. Thank you so much for sharing your work with us. I always look forward to the next and find myself going back again and again!!
There are a few people in this field trying to see if we can prove this, but as yet we haven't found anything that could be considered as strong evidence for an origin of a myth coming from one of those human groups.
@@Crecganford in this context you should mention your video about the magic wife myth Jon! Not evidence for N/D origins, but sure interesting as a possible trace of contacts between modern and archaic humans :)
Also, can only agree with all the others, this is another wonderful video, from a wonderful channel, by a wonderful person! And it makes both a great introduction video to your channel I imagine, and a great video for long time watchers with call-backs to so many of your great videos. You Mr Jon ARE Rock n Roll 🤟
I’d love it if you spoke of some of the myths in Australia . They are pretty old
I hope you read this comment Crecganford, because I have a question I want to ask, I am curious about.
I find your work stimulating and qualified, I follow it with interest. Your work on the dragon and world serpent myths impressed me a lot.
The duality of death and life is a very basic concept in ancient Egyptian mythology. Like Osiris, Isis and Seth, Ra and Apep are a similar theme. In both themes, the Nile is again very important, the place of the land of the dead is always related to the flow of the Nile. Many paintings, frescoes, etc. depicting the war between Ra and Apep caught my attention.
Apep/Apophis is called "Lord of Chaos". However, this monster is depicted as if it were the Nile River itself. Although it is stated that the reason for this is that the snake is very large. In addition, this snake is the oldest dark entity according to belief, older than Ra.
My question is: Can we reach the older foundations of ancient Egyptian belief? Could Apophis/Apep originally be the Nile River itself in an earlier period? Indeed, later they associated the Nile with gods and goddesses such as Hapi, Nephthys, Khnum, Satet, Sobek (crocodile form), Anuket.
Do you have a video that touches on this subject?
That's a great question, and one I could only answer if I carried out research on it, to understand how old our Egyptian myths are.... or to understand if myths around Egypt may have been told earlier in Egypts history but have since been replaced.
@@Crecganford I'll be following. I'll wait with interest.
I wonder if Marcus Mumford of Mumford & Sons knew about the Lion Man when he wrote the song "Little Lion Man"? As an Aussie living in Mindanao Philippines, I'm familiar with the Rainbow Serpent myth from Australia, and creation myths here in the Philippines. The most well known creation myth in the Philippines involves the first man and woman emerging from a bamboo stalk with the assistance of a bird, known in Tagalog as the "Sarimanok". In Tagalog "sari" means "variety", which is why small stores in local areas are often called "sari-sari" stores, because they sell a wide variety of items. "Manok" means "chicken". I've seen the Sarimanok depicted as a large multi-coloured chicken flying above the bamboo and pecking at it to help the first people emerge. The first man was "Malakas" ("Strong"), and the first woman "Maganda" ("Beautiful"). There seem to be elements of the "Humans Ascending" myths and the Bird Scout myths, because the Sarimanok is a helper. My wife is a Higaonon baylan, and the Higaonon people and other tribes from Bukidnon in Mindanao have flood myths, which include local features, such as the mountains whose peaks are not inundated. I go along with your thinking that the widespread flood myths don't necessarily reflect a worldwide catastrophe. There's even a flood myth in the eastern part of Mindanao that involves a giant crab coming up out of the sea and causing the flood. Since the tribes from Bukidnon didn't have a writing system, the stories were only written when told to people who could write. This is similar to what happened with the flood myths in Australia. The myths were transmitted orally, through song and rituals, in the past.
Great thanks
Good day! Ty 4 content.
I loved this talk and found it fascinating! Your explanation of the garden of eden and how it is derived from two other myths really made sense. I've known about snakes representing immortality for a long time because they shed their skin, and have wanted a breakdown of the serpent in eden for a while now. So thanks.
Also, since I've found your channel, I've learned that none of these gods are real, even Jesus/Adonai/holy ghost. I've been atheist for a while now, but you clear all of the smoke and reveal the "man behind the curtain." I realize that academia has known the stories in the Old Testament and New Testament have comparable myths of old. But to have recently been exposed to this knowledge by you is eye opening to say the least! And to learn of all of the other amazing myths and how they morph is really cool!
In Monstrum Dr. Emily Zarka states that Tiamat's form is ambiguous. She said she is made of water and humanoid. You say she is a serpent/dragon. Can you elaborate?
Thank you. As for Tiamat, it is complicated, she has many forms depending on her context, we even see in one translation she is also a cow, suggesting external cultural influence from the Indo-Europeans. Perhaps I should make a video about it, leave it with me.
@@Crecganford Looking forward to the video! Thanks Jon for the response.
excellent video - one of your best I think!
This topic makes me ponder what made humans want to tell these stories? Humans want to explain things, I suppose to help them survive better? So, is science sort of like our modern mythos?
Yes, that is exactly what I was saying to someone the other day, myths were the science of pre-history, explain why the world was as it was.
I love your videos man, very informative and interesting.
Thank you, I do try to make them like this as much as I can for what can be very academic content.
Saludos desde Colombia. I love your work and I have been sharing it.
Thank you, your support is appreciated!
Could you do a video about ancient religious jewelry and what people wore to honor their gods and for protection in Greek times and other time periods around the world. Like oath rings, necklaces with Hercules club and thors hammer, and anything else of that nature.
Thanks
I had to look up the Evenki people, and I saw the culture of my Anishnaabe in-laws there.
I’m looking up the Hades story that overlaps with an American one now. They want to see it.
Enki the Annunaki God of the water is also known as EA and EA translates to John as in John the Baptist/ the man of the water.
So baptism traces back to ancient Sumer.
The Comic Hunt.
Written by Mike Hunt and Jack Mehoff.
I know this comment lacks maturity but you comment about accent and your words being misunderstood just made me chuckle.
Haha, I tell my mate who wrote the scipt, Seymour, Seymour Butts.
American archaeologist Eric H. Cline, who wrote 1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed, he just updated this book, claiming the Late Bronze Age collapse was from Solar Activity, he said it wasn't nearly as bad as the one 1,000 years earlier.
You might want to read that book again, you’ve deeply misrepresented it.
@@ladyflimflam youtube keeps deleting my comment, try watching his new lectures, then come back and say I'm wrong.
EXCELLENT !!!!!!
I'm pleased you enjoyed it.
Fantastic presentation ! The archetype theory certainly has some holes in it. Like the mother earth goddess "archetype" because with Egypt and Kachins we have mother sky and father earth. Many other exceptions. "Archetypes" theory seems more like philosophical correlation than scientifically proven causation.
Is there a book outlining the old testament parallels and reworkings of older myths? You’ve mentioned three examples of that here, would be fascinating to see a deep dive of the topic.
I have made videos about the story of immortality, and the creation myth, and when my book comes out (hopefully in 2026) it will discuss much of this in far more detail.
Wish I could watch more, but that has to wait until later. But great stuff so far!
Thank you.
Can you please post more to your Spotify? (I've already listed to everything)
That is a plan for next year, to put much of my content there.
Cosmicunt is my super-heroine alias.
@Crecganford
I found you when you created the Dragon Cave Ritual video, and have hyper linked your video in my research paper. In the study of Metaphysics we lack words and examples to define the many layers of spirit. Just to define the types of men who turn to the explanation of flesh being the only mode of communication we use the Greek word hylic. A common reference on the New Testament, an early church phrase, flesh (babies). Have you ever encountered an old man who only has one story (myth) and that’s the only story he tells? What do you suppose the other modes of transferring information across the Great Forge are?
I was recently giving an example of doppelganger. And you are a prime example of one I encounter in Scranton. I was renting an apartment and a new resident moved in and was always found in the designated smoking area. The first time I encountered him I had to do a double take, because I had just found your RUclips channel. Eventually I had to ask him where is he from, and showed him your channel and he couldn’t believe it, it was like looking into a mirror, your exact appearance in every way.
Father Scorpio ~
Bwahahaha!!! 😂 from America re: silly accidents from any kind of accents. Now have another sip of tea, and don’t trouble yourself from any nonsense negative commentary- your serious fans who care about the actual content are just as tuned in as always!!!
Thank you for your kind words.
45:55 - Jordan Peterson getting something wrong in service to some point he's trying to make? What a shock! 🤣
Jordan Peterson, started.. getting things wrong after he got Christ/Hebrew Pilled. With his misinterpreting the Abrahamic God of the Old Testement
Jordan Peterson was wrong at his first breath.😂
I won't watch any talks that include Jordan Peterson anymore. He is so full of it.
What do we mean by 'wrong' and let's define 'trying'.
@ you freaking know the meaning of these words-just stop with the trolling.
Hi
does your mythology database tool cover hagiographies of saints?
Some saints are covered but most saints stories are legend or folklore as opposed to myth.
Earth Diver has struck me as a tale one might use to describe the lowering of sea levels (rising of islands) witnessed by humans as the ice gobbled up the ocean.
"The earliest writings that we have are religious texts' AND receipts and lists of goods.
The Hopi myth of escaping up a straw from the flooding world and instructed by ant to split into clans and go as far as possible in each of the four directions, then to settle at the crossing and perform a set of rituals - some people quit and settled before completing the assignment. This is as I recall from 59 years ago. Would be interested in this and other, related myths from the 'Americas'. [Such as Snake Mounds in the Eastern US, pyramids, and the Twins of the Popal Vue]
I like that thought, and I could see how it could be if they had a way of having a longer term view of the sea level changes.
@@Crecganford The question would be how rapidly did the oceans fall. Mammoths were entombed in ice - apparently instantly over a large land area. That icing would lower sea levels at the same rate (?). So, Instantly? Within a day? A week? The mammoths had eaten breakfast and didn't make dinner. I have no answer, but a (to me) compelling question. I also have a prejudice toward human imagination being fueled by observed phenomenon - grampa's rantings become fictions to great grand children. But, the 'miracles' are remembered and become rock-and-roll in the retelling.
@@Thomas_H_Sears Here's one answer to your frozen mammoth conundrum:
Ice floes get stranded and buried in silt, then melt, leaving a 'kettle-hole lake' which is very steep-sided. When the top gets iced-over, that lake is an inescapable pooh-trap for any animal that crosses the ice above it. If a mammoth fell in, others would try to help it and suffer the same fate. That's exactly how a mother and her calf died in Shropshire, England. The anoxic conditions would be good for near-intact preservation. There are several kettle-hole lakes extant in Herefordshire in the flats left from former glacial lake-beds which are a few miles outside the limit of the former ice-sheet.
These lakes of melt-water - dammed by ice-floes - periodically over-brimmed to establish new water courses and valleys, braiding between the rivers Wye and Severn and even reversing their flow.
The ice dams also breached catastrophically, probably seasonally, leading to floods which incised existing meanders of the flood plain during the isostatic orogeny as the mass of ice melted. Thus the Severn and Wye Gorges formed, and the Severn Estuary Gorge (silted during inundation as sea levels rose).
These flash floods would kill a lot of mammoths as the ice-sheet receded, burying many of them in mud or sand. Some corpses would sink into the peat bogs which
characterise the tundra surrounding receding ice-sheets.
Not mythology though... another rabbit-hole of mine.
@@lindsayheyes925 Thanks for the info. Ice-sink traps explain some preservations. And explains the complexes etched at the fronts of the ice. Topology traces of active sheets. However, there are still those with undigested tropical/temperate foliage in gut, unexplained by ice-sink traps. Must have been a brutal and sudden change of environment. All this is based on my understanding of the results of my observations and studies. There is always room for error.
@@lindsayheyes925 It's going down the rabbit-holes that we learn. Just be careful not to get lost. I call it drilling down when I do it.
Can we get more of of these "how we know this" instead of "what we know is"? I advocated for this before, not sure if it matters, but I noticed on Mythopia something similar, and I think it is such a good idea, for all thoss who don't -believe- your hard work and scientific approach, to understand that there is nothing to believe. You know, based on evidence and scientific study.
When you say there is no god, god was invented and evolved from animism, you can show the hard evidence that you are basing your theory on.
I do try and make videos covering both, such as my previous video on Finding the Oldest Myths which explain this in one video. But next year I will reduce the amount of content I make, but with the intention of making it deeper, and so including analysis like this will be easier.
This is my favorite version of this video you have done. It didn't go off on too many tangents and covered more people/regions of the world.
So what we learn from this is humans have always had a thing about snakes. We are also hyper aware of snakes like other apes/monkeys. It is crazy that we have carried that for probably millions of years. Our greatest foe.
During the last ice age there were most likely too many local flood events across the northern hemisphere to really put a date on when the first flood myths took place, just take the Missoula lake floods in America, in that short span there were more than 10 huge floods. Also like the differences in the floods origins being rain in locations where there were no glaciers and torrents of water in the more ice locked parts
I believe the scholarly consensus on Genesis 1 is that it contains a “temporal clause” & should be understood to mean that the earth, tehom, & darkness were already present for YHWH to utilize.
I also believe the consensus is that Genesis 1 is a demythologized amalgam of older Jewish traditions around the conflict of YHWH & Leviathan/Rahab (that are reflexes of the Ugaritic Ba’al cycle) with some reformatting of the Babylonian conflict/creation myth during the exilic period.
Would also look into myths about *rainbows* specifically.
There’s many myths around the world of rainbows being meat-eaters, holding back waters, living in waterfalls, in conflict with thunder/lightning, having horns, being offended by menstruation, having fire/fetid breath, etc.
Whilst some biblically focused scholars may have that concensus, those with a more global understanding of mythology have a different concensus.
Great video, thankyou! Do you think the 'snake' in the 'death myths' is distinct from the 'snake-dragon'? I ask because in other videos you've mentioned the evidence of the snake beheading ritual in caves. I ask, as I'm getting quite interested/obsessed with the mesoamerican calendar, and the symbols for their 20 days. The first day represents Cipactli, the crocodilian earth monster, who is ultimately killed to make the earth by that represented in the second day, the 'wind god' Quetzalcoatl, ie) blowing in the face (another god, Tezcatlipoca, was also involved). Later on in the day sequence is the sign 'snake', distinct from the 'earth dragon', but in Zapotec the name maybe means 'bad omen'. 'Snake' is followed by the day 'Death'. I find it fascinating how the symbolism persists...
So the snake of immortality is not the snake who controlled water, in the sense that the motifs are completely different.
@Crecganford In the end I went into the mythology database, and I saw that the motif is often with a snake, but often some other animal. But the interesting legend was how humans were immortal while they shedded their skins, like a snake, but somehow the snakes got that power instead of man. I'd love a video where you reconstruct the 'loss of immortality' myth and find it's probable origin, like you have done with others...
21:00 Great wagon in Romania
Can you make a video about the Baltic (Lithuanian, Latvian) gods?
For being the oldest myth, Man Ascends does not have a Wikipedia page. I'm having trouble finding instances of it, even.
It is a motif as opposed to a myth, and so myths would contain this motif. Wiki didn't have the "cosmic hunt" myth until I made a video about it. But one day they will catch up, but it should not be used as a primary source of information for research. Instead use the mythology database, look for motif E5a, and there will be bibliographic references to myths that contain the motif. I hope that helps.
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Adam is Idim
In Sumerian mythology, Ninti is the goddess known as the "Lady of the Rib", Ninti was created by Ninhursag to heal Enki's rib after he ate forbidden flowers and was cursed.
The myth of Ninti was later adapted in the Book of Genesis as the story of Eve created from Adam's rib. Adam is Idim, a pre-monotheist Sumerian god. Adam was also referred to as God Ea (Enki) and had many other nicknames over the years.
What does "dim" mean in Sumerian, look it up, you see it in Dimshah.
The odd thing is, they hunted animals, and I'm sure they knew of No Bear with a Long Tail like you see on Ursa Major, another problem is, the ancient Greeks caller Ursa Minor a Dog not a bear, "Cynosura", which means "dog's tail", however a variant of Λυκόσουρα, which means "wolf's tail", connecting with the Egyptian's Standing Wolf Wepwawet, the Wolf headed war god son of the Big Dipper, the Loins of Seth (Set), Thigh of the Bull's Leg. Even Ursa doesn't fit, "Ur" is a Sumerian word meaning Dog or Wolf, 'sa' means Muscle Sinew, 'ur' could be a bear too, urgula and urmal both means Lion and Great Dog, the 'gula' is from 'gal' and 'mal' both means Great, Uru in Sumerian means "man, hero", like Indo-European Vira/Vir/Eros.
urbarra 𒌨𒁇𒊏 “wolf” (“outside dog”)
urmah 𒌨𒈤 or urgula 𒌨𒄖𒆷 “lion” (both meaning “great dog”)
urdib 𒌨𒁳 or urnim 𒌨𒉏 “lion cub” ( “early dog”)
ura 𒌨𒀀 “otter” (“water dog”)
urki 𒌨𒆠 “badger” (“earth dog”)
uridim 𒌨𒅂 “wild dog, rabid dog” (“wild dog”)
urbigu 𒌨𒁉𒅥 “jackal” (“eating-everything dog”)
urbigu 𒌨𒁉𒅥𒄷 “vulture” (“jackal bird”)
urshub 𒌨𒍤𒆸 “tiger, cheetah” (“dog (in the) rushes”)
urshubkuda 𒌨𒍤𒆸𒋻𒁕 “leopard” (“dog (in the) cut-short rushes”)
words like urtur 𒌨𒌉 “puppy”, urgir 𒌨𒆪 “watchdog”, and ursaga “pampered dog”.
Urtur or is it Arcas, Ur=dog tu=to create ur=dog
In Greek mythology, Arcas was the son of Zeus and Callisto, and the ancestor and eponymous hero of Arcadia.
Ur-Nungal of Uruk was the heir of Gilgamesh, seen as Orion the Great Hunter.
Vega was associated with the Goddess of Dogs, known as Bau-Gula, mother of the heroes. placing Vega, our old Pole star from 12,000 years ago, @ mid heaven, you find Ursa Major standing on the northern horizon, sitting on the southern horizon, the 7 stars outlining a Cave we call Ophiuchus. Except for Dubhe and Alkaid, the stars of the Big Dipper all have proper motions heading toward a common point in Sagittarius, next to Ophiuchus, which is the center of our galaxy, Sagittarius was known as Pabilsag the husband of Bau-Gula, she was known as Baba, the wife of the warrior(ur-sag) Zababa, seen as the right leg of Ophiuchus.
Ninurta, also known as Ninĝirsu, was the Mesopotamian god of farming, healing, hunting, law, scribes, and war. Ninurta is associated with Zababa, Ninurta and Zababa shared many epithets.
The alignment above with Vega at mid heaven, with Ursa Major on one horizon and Ophiuchus on the other takes place during the day, where I was born, it takes place at 12:00 noon Christmas day, this after watching the sun rise off the top of the sleeping bear, we called Bear Mountain, every Christmas morning. 7 hours later, Ursa sits down on her butt.
Vega was the Dog Headed goddess Bau-Gula, the ancient Greeks called Ursa Minor (Polaris) the Dog's Tail. Earth is tilted 23.4 degrees towards Polaris, the same degree tile placed on the other side of Earth, points towards Vega, was it Polaris, The Dog's Tail, that came down and sat at mid heaven Christmas day 12,000 years ago?
Ursa Minor was the Wolf Headed war god Wepwawet, his title was Opener of the Ways, on the Egyptian star map, he is the Crocodile Skin that Taweret wears on her head, like the Wolf Warriors wore Wolf Skins on their heads, 'ur' means Wolf, 'sag' means Head, ursag means Warrior. Wepwawet was said to be the brother of Anubis.
Anu means Heaven or Sky, bis means tears, bi,s,su, 'flow of tears'.
it's not a Bear with a Long Tail. See 13:09 : it's a Bear chased by 3 hunters
@@arieverhoeff9141 That wasn't Ursa Major, that was the Big Dipper, it has only 7 stars. There are 20 main stars within Ursa Major, of which 7 form the Big Dipper of Ursa Major's tail. If that was the case, than that means there are 3 hunters chasing ursa Minor, where's that story. This isn't the first time I left this comment on this channel.
I say Dog, because the ancient Greeks seen Ursa Minor as a Dog, both the Sumerians and Egyptians the Standing Wolf, both are associated with riding a Plough, which was another name of the Big Dipper. The Sumerians wolf was the Seed Funnel, Standing (Hanging) on the Plough Handle, the opening at the bottom. The Big Dipper was associated with Seth, "Thigh of the Bull's Leg", uru is a Sanskrit word that means "thigh". The sign for the son of Seth is a Standing Wolf on a Plow, Wepwawet, his tiltes are "Protector of the Belly", "Opener of the Way".
The Hunter and Bear story is coming from one source, or a group of Native Americans, which also has a story of Orion being a Hand with an eye in the center? After death, you had one chance to jump thru the eye, as Orion is part of the Silver Gate of Man.
A Welsh poem of the 15th century tells how Prince Madog sailed away in 10 ships and discovered America. Early explorers and pioneers found evidence of possible Welsh influence among the native tribes of America along the Tennessee and Missouri Rivers. In the 18th century one local tribe was discovered that seemed different to all the others that had been encountered before. Called the Mandans this tribe were described as white men with forts, towns and permanent villages laid out in streets and squares. They claimed ancestry with the Welsh and spoke a language remarkably similar to it. Instead of canoes, Mandans fished from coracles, an ancient type of boat still found in Wales today. It was also observed that unlike members of other tribes, these people grew white-haired with age. In addition, in 1799 Governor John Sevier of Tennessee wrote a report in which he mentioned the discovery of six skeletons encased in brass armor bearing the Welsh coat of arms.
If you ask me this is his sad attempt to debunk my comments I've left on his channel in the past, he didn't like my sarcastic Hand Basket comment on his last video, all he could say was "I didn't Watch his video", when I replied , telling what he said in the video about them, I pointed out that my version sounded better than his, even showing why it does, he never came back to rebut comment, so I told him 3 days later, he lost the debate, his silence means he submits to my version (being sarcastic again ha ha ha). I think this is because I disagree with some of his version of ancient mythology, stated it in the past.
Your comment doesn't debunk my comment either. He doesn't like it when I say that the Gates call speak.
The Golden Gate is associated with Sagittarius, the Silver Gate with Orion, playing "Say There Is A Guest, They All Rule" in reverse will echo "Orion, Sagittarius", The Lion Man is the Gate Keeper, play the words "Way, I'll Open It, So They Go, See God", which echoes "August, Regulus, Denebola, Leo". What about the Twin Lions on each side of the goddess sitting on her throne. "I Cupps, Scare Earth My Arm Of Nuit", played in reverse echoes "Vindemiatrix, Spica", "Her Mithras, Boy Girl" echoes "Virgo, September".
Lewallyn is from Llewellyn, a boy/girl name, meaning Like a Lion, in Irish, cup-la means Twin, Roger means "Famous Spear", associated with the Lions, meaning of McCullough, pick an animal, most likely it will be a culluch.
"Culhwch" is a Welsh name that refers to the main character in the Arthurian story Culhwch and Olwen. The name is pronounced with the final consonant sounding like the Scottish word "loch". In the story, Culhwch is the son of Cilydd and Goleuddydd, and a cousin of Arthur. The story explains that Culhwch's name means "sow run," which comes from the Welsh words "cul" meaning "narrow" and "hwch" meaning "sow" or "pig". However, this is likely to be folk etymology.
Orion was known as Sah, Sahu the Hidden One", 'sah' is Sumerian for Pig, 'sahu' means Boar.
The McCulloughs are descents of the Iazyges, Indo-Iranians, who has a story of a boy pulling a Sword out the ground, becoming a King. The Iazyges were a cavalry military group sent to Britain by the Romans in the 2nd century, creating the King Arthur legend.
I am Weylyn (son of the Wolf), Wyn (Pure), Lewallyn (Like a Lion), Roger (Famous Spear) Cupps-McCullough.
Place the Sword of Orion on the western horizon on September 6th 2040, look at all the visible planets aligned with Spica. cullach means a castrated boar, which is the telling of Hours amputating the Thigh of Seth known as the Black Boar. Hatysa is the Sword at the tip of Orion's Sword. it means Slaughter, Iazyges means "To Sacrifice".
My comments Scare Jon, do they scare you too
Boo! how bout now, did that scare you, ha ha ha
Interesting point you make about the two variations of earth creation myths, the earth diver and the emergeance of humans. From my unqualified perspective, it seems that Aztec myth uses both of these. Following the flood after the 4th sun, Tezcaltlipoca and Quetzilcoalt go into the water to kill the earth monster to create earth. Later on Quetzilcoalt goes under the earth to bring up the bones of earth's previous inhabitants from Mictlan to resurrect them as modern humans. Do these share a connection to those myths, or are these completely different architypes?
That is not an easy question to answer, we would have to look at all the variants to have confidence in any relationships with other myths from earlier cutlures. But certainly the dragon in the sea to create the earth is very probably connected and from an older source from Eurasia originally.