Did the FBI have a Role in the Crips Gang Formation in Los Angeles? (pt. 7)
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- O/G Frog (pt. 7) from Bouty Hunter Bloods is an OG Bounty Hunter from Watts Nickerson Gardens projects, talks about Rhea (Ray) Boyce getting out YTS in December 1974.
Rhea Boyce was a Green Jacket before he was a Bounty Hunter. Rhea Boyce was disappointed in learning that Tyrone Tate, previously a Green Jacket had become a Crip starting Hickory Street Crips in Watts. Did the for formation of the LA gangs have a revolutionary origin. How are the Black Panthers the predessessor to the Crips.
00:00:00 - Frog speaking on the release of Rhea (Ray) Boyce, O/G Bounty Hunter
00:01:34 - Rhea Boyce disappointed that Tyrone Tate started Crips in Watts
00:02:50 - The Black Panther influence on gangs
00:03:22 - Frog does not believe that there is a link between Crips & Black Panthers
00:04:00 - Bunchy Carter. (b. 1943), Craig Monson (b. 1950), Raymond Washington (b. 1953) all connected
00:05:45 - Did FBI infiltrate the Los Angeles streets influencing gangs?
00:07:25 - Original Crips and Bloods robbed for materialism and taking property
00:08:30 - The revolution included robbing
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- 1965 August - September: The Black Panthers, former Slauson Bunchy Carter worked united the Slausons and other gangs after 1965 Watts Riots
-1966-1967 The Black Panthers curbed gang conflict
-1966 - 1970 COINTELPRO worked to infiltrate the Black Panther
-1967-1968 - Craig Monson was recruited into Black Panther party by his neighbor Bunchy Carter, but wasn't interested, starts the Avenues
-1968-1969 - Raymond Washington, Kenny Carter (Bunchy's brother) starts to hang out with Craig Monson and the Avenues
-1969 January - COINTELPRO successful an neutralizing Bunchy Carter, killed at UCLA, other panthers imprisoned
- 1969 September / October - Raymond Washington leaves the Avenues and starts the Crips
-1969 December - LAPD have shootout with Panthers on Central Avenue
-1970 - January - March: The initial first squad of the Crips are fully establish
Where’s the evidence that Raymond Washington actually ever hung out with the Avenues? Craig Munson and AC Moises both said Raymond wanted to be from the Avenues but was never accepted by them not hung out with them. Seems like you’re just repeating revisionist history
I've followed you and your websites for 20 years but this is some straight bullshit. Craig Munson said in his interview with Kevmac that he slapped Raymond Washington during some altercation and that Raymond was never in the avenues because he was younger. Then next thing he knew Raymond had started something called the crib/crips
So what's the date that pesky white man convinced Raymond to start the Crips?
Mmmmm
@@balthazarbratt8194 Whether or not Raymond was in the Avenues does not negate the point that he was heavily influenced by Craig Monson, the Avenues. What exactly are you calling BS? You never heard COINTELPRO? You didn't know that Bunchy Carter was a city wide leader? You didn't know that Craig Monson personally knew Bunchy? What are you calling BS?
Respect to frog for not romantisizing reality or changing it in what it isnt. Teling the truth is also part of keeping it real.
Robbing a bank and robbing your brother is not the same thing. Fight the power not your brother
agreed, but many of the original Crips were robbing white people in Hollywood, but the Robert Ballou incident is the main one everyone remembers, another black guy.
The crips robbed a lot of banks. You don't understand the questions he's asking.
Stealing from an institution is different than stealing from another black person
Facts! Interviewer was missing the entire point or playing dumb
@@DealwiththeReal😂😂😂
Panthers took from the government, crips took from they own kind. Big difference
Crips were the black KKK.
Fact on fo nem
That’s what you think
We all are apart of government
He talked as if taking leather coats away from thier own compared to what the Panthers were doing was a flex
Alex this interview to me is classic thank you brother frog and brother Alex.
The game San Andreas confirmed a lot .. the interview with OG Chita with the crips she said police told them it was guns at the train station and their was. Same shit on the game when tenpenny told the families guns was at the station. The whole game the cops used each gang for the own purpose, I can bet it’s the same in real life. They the real gang and creator of all this in my opinion
There is no connection between the Black Panthers and the Crips. I agree with Mr. Frog
The Crips were created by children so not sure if those children had any political affiliation...
8:55 The taking of property and assaulting of yo own folks is different than hitting a bank or an officer
Right
1. Black on Black robberies committed by Crips are the same as the few Black Panther related robberies.
2. Craig Munson denying Raymond Washington is a solid link between the Crips and the Black Panthers.
@@p2a0p2e0r1 1. Is not the same....a real revolutionary wasn't taking from black people and that is what he is saying
2. He must of seen something in him that he didn't like
@@p2a0p2e0r1none of that correlates
@@freshinc1750 Those were Alonso's 2 points of why the Crips are tied to the Black Panthers
May the LORD continue to bless OG Frog ❤🙏🕊! He's speaking facts, Thank You Jesus ❤❤❤
Tf is facts
I am younger than OG Frog but older than Alex. OG is telling the truth and taking responsibility. Alex wants to play, it's not my fault. The white man forced me to do wrong. The devil supplies the temptation. The fool accepts it. The original crips, who started in their teens, were not revolutionaries. Perhaps, some of the older gangs had some awareness, but you can't snatch purses and be a revolutionary at the same time.
Yes 👍👍👍👍 Big Tookie stated this in his book
Download this video before it gets taken down!
@@zztv15 I never read Tookie's book. Thanks for mentioning this.
There is a direct link form the Panthers of the late 1960s in Los Angeles with Bunchy Carter, F.B.I.'s COINTELPRO, Kenny "Fati" Carter, Craig Monson, to the eventual formation of the Crips in LA, Raymond Washington, Craig Craddock. The early crips of 1969 and 1970 were not revolutionaries because they were too young. Never said they were revolutionaries.
Pawns never know what's going on.. they're not supposed to
Frog spoke nothin but the Truth
facts og frog
My research concluded that bunchy Carter was in a black street gang called the slausons which alot of slausons got recruited into black panther party 1966. One common denominator is that all got creole roots in Louisiana. Tookie Williams was originally from Shreveport/New Orleans and he grew up fatherless watching the black panther party on TV so he adapted some concepts from them. Now if he we all connecting the dots Bone produced a documentary called bastards of the party connecting the bloods and crips to the BPP. The problem if the link exists then it was created out the prison faction of Black Panthers under George Jackson called the Black Guerilla Family.
Alex is so stuck on the gang nuts... That he cant be honest and say gangs are destructive and never was for the community period. Old skoop telling the truth.
gangs are only destructive when they are committing violence, and 80 percent of the time there is no violence, and 75 percent of gang members are NON-violent, so I see it as the community and the conditions that lead to violence is the problem, and gangs are just the by-product of other systemic problems.
Gang culture is destructive on so many levels, regardless of whether violence is committed or not. Two negatives do not make a positive.
A community without gangs is safe. A community with gangs is crime filled. A community with gangs got bad school test scores. A community with no gangs got good test scores.
@@AlexAlonso101nah it’s tribal energy that does not belong on earth anymore
@@salinasvalleystatepr The cars gang members fix up, the clothing style they dress, the language they create, the hair styles they popularized, are all a part of gang culture, and not ONLY are those aspects of gang culture NOT destructive, the NON violent parts have become mainstream, mimicked in TV commercials, movies and in foreign countries like Japan. Gangs, which have been in the world for thousands of years, we are concerned with the violence they commit. Gang culture, whether in Africa, or within Native American tribes, or in Los Angeles will NOT go away, because gang culture is human culture.
Damn your logic allowed you to equate the taking of coats 🧥 to hittin whoever in the way, on the way to a bank 🏦 ??
OG Frog is absolutely correct with his assessment of the circumstances surrounding the Crips,Bloods and the Green jackets. The gangs might have wanted to look like the Black Panthers but they were misguided young men that operated in self destructive behavior which equated to generations of young black men losing their lives.
The Black Panther Party 4 Self Defence was an CIA/FBI Operation,Along with the Formation of the Cribs Crips Eastside Raymond Washington Westside Crips Once they started Creating all these Sets was where the BS came in! After 1972 & Somebody did something or Anything in these Communities you would be Handled! All these Weird Beefs Wars: 1979 R’60’s vs ETG + 52 BGC vs 43GC I first ran into Eastside Crips @ Slauson Farms Supermarket going to the Store 4 My Grandma for an Herald Examiner & a Scratch Sheet! Grandma lived off of 57th & Ascot Across the Street from the BSV Founders the Snell Family. The only reason I got a pass was that these Guys knew my Family that lived off of 58th Drive & Hooper on the Eastside Crip Hood on the other Side of Slauson 🤔 I always Respected the Bloods,because they had no chose but to stick together! The Bigger The Crips got,the more Sick 💩they were doing! The Bloods BPS Pirus Rose up to put some Breaks on these Hood Terrorists!
Stop that nonsense… you crazy paranoid and making all that sht up.. none of it was government made. You can’t even decide if it was CIA or FBI… They never worked together.. especially back then. They disliked each other and always tried to compete for government money, so wouldn’t tell the other information. . and definitly wouldn’t work together.
You just can’t stand the fact that black peope had a lot of responsibility to how things ended up so you try to blame anybody and everybody else. Show one shred of evidence of them forming the panthers or gangs. Cointel pro and the coke being shipped in all is declassified and can be read about. Nothing about what you saying is there. The people who started these gangs are doing interviews these days. They tell the whole story and have nothing to do with the damn Governent.
CoIntelPro did the Black Panthers dirty!
They did but I can never understand why them folks started doing drugs.
The black community has all sorts of people within it. A black revolutionary group like the Panthers and a black criminal gang like the Crips can exist at the same time. People know other people and that doesn't mean one influenced the next.
Great to hear real stand up for what's right and fair in the neighborhood stories like what u said about Rhea coming out of YTS in 1974 out there with the Bounty Hunters patrolling n holding off the Hunters from putting hands on Big Crip Dog no rat pack Ray Boyce spoke with authority n it disappointed him that Tyrone Tate ended the Green Jackets so there must been anger in Ray Boyce heart. Thanks Frog for speaking the real truth can't wait for Pt. 7 i was told by Alfred Pigmy that the Green Jackets was hassled alot for wearing Army Fatigue jackets or ROTC jackets by the Police that was the time when the Vietnam War was happening. Frog that took boldness to do that it's what Alfred told me the Pigs really didn't like the Green Jackets
Wtf Bunchie Carter have to do with the Crips? Absolutely nothing. Alex trying to make some wierd connection between the two, because what? Bunchie n Raymond both knew Craig? Ac said it as well, they all wanted to be "gangsters", had nothing to do with no Black Panthers or Bunchie Carter.
Exactly...nigga clowned out Cuzz
For Alex, there’s has to be some Caucasian influence. Its been said over n over that it was all kids using intimidation tactics. Bitter Dominican trying to find common ground with a culture he never knew.
Thank you AC told everyone
The only person I believe about the true formation of the Crips is AC. Honestly.
Shut yo bitch ass up, niggas didnt adopt star of david , and 5 pointed stars from now where, niggas werent scientifically cooking crack outta intuition you gmo degenerate
the truth sets you free 10:10
Craig Munson was a gangster, not no Blacc panther !! What is Alonzo talking about
Craig Monson was Bunchy Carter's assistant / body guard in 1967/1968. WTF you talking about. Gregory Carter and Kenny "Fati" Carter were Bunchy's younger brother and they was in the Avenues with Craig Monson. This is deeper than you know.
@@streetgangs that still doesn’t make Monson a Panther, and it doesn’t tie Raymond to Bunchy. A bodyguard and a Panther aren’t the same. Even if he was a Panther, what does that have to do with the Crips?? Raymond wasn’t an Avenue or a Slauson. He tried to be an Avenue but Monson wouldn’t let him join. Monson said it himself that he and Raymond didn’t associate with each other like that either. Sorry, but there were no ties between the Panthers and the Crips.
Craig Munson, Donald Archie, AC Moses and others have said there was no connection between the panthers and bloods/crips, they were the older brothers and cousins but the influence went once the organization did as well… also, even if they had been around the issue the panthers had is that revolutionaries don’t have any money
There is an indirect connection, and I believe that OG Frog has an incomplete or downright bias Fact 1) There were Pre-Black Panther Era Factions such as the Avenues, Slauson's, Businessman, Gladiators, Brims, Athens Park Boys, Watts Farmers, and a few others, after the Watts Riots in 1965 the Black Panthers set up shop in Oakland and LA. Fact 2) Most of the Pre-Black Panther Era Gangs and Gang Members got absorbed under the LA Chapter of the BPP with Bunchy Carter thus minimal gang activity in LA from 1966-1969? 3) Bunchy Carter passed away in a dispute with the US Organization at UCLA in an infamous slaying in 1969 4) Factionism within the BPP and outside of the BPP coupled with the COINTELPRO rendered the BPP ineffective. 5) The re-emergence of some Pre-BPP gangs returned Avenues being one, Baby Avenues was the junior branch or Avenue Cribs, A power vacuum ensued and the youth who looked up to the BPP took to the means that the BPP did to try and self-regulate their neighborhoods this included robbing pimps and drug dealers, some wore leather jaccets which was considered an EXTREME dishonor to the image and likeness of the BPP. 6) The youth admired the BPP and wanted to rob what they considered the trash of the community and protect against outsiders too (corrupt PD/Spookhunters), 7) Further BPP factionism ensued until it was rendered incapable and/or irrelevant. 8) The Palladium incident with Robert Ballou Jr along with other issues lead to Piru Street Boys defecting from the Crips, assembling a meeting on Piru Street in 1972 and an invitation to Anti Crip neighborhoods such as the Swans, Brims, BH, Lanes, Athens Parks, Bishops, (Look at the names of the groups all old Pre-Panther era gangs who did not turn crip except for Pirus before defection) formed the Bloods. These are the links Alex Alonso is trying to articulate but Frog dont wanna speak on it due to incompleteness, bias, or only looking at things from a very local Watts standpoint.
I give Alex his credit. Maybe he asked the wrong question to Frog, but as I took it, he was asking specifically about the Crip era, which I think puts the age too young to be pushing, community unity against the powers holding black people down. We are talking 12 to 16 yo. If Alex had a broader meaning, maybe he was right.
@@kevinx9225 There was youth versions and branches of the BPP, in fact they used to offer Karate classes, gave them breakfast, basic info on constitutional rights, Alex know what he talking about and is respecting this elder, but we cant act like ppl dont have their own biases--he still upset about the whole green jaccet scenario then talkin about praying to the Lord, NOBODY should be grandstanding on moral authority lol
@@kevinx9225 ruclips.net/video/fm0H2k_CgB8/видео.html Kev Mac gotta video where he talks about Tyrone Tate founding the Jordan Downs Crips with Huey Newton nephew, we cant ignore the ties
Gang historians including Alonso intentionally avoid discussing LA black gangs pre Crips because they Uncle Tom Cointelpro agents themselves who want to hide how revolutionary gangs had become prior to the crips.
They’ll tell you G Jackson a BGF not a Panther , they speak of highly Raymond Washington and Tookie, but never Bunchy or Geronimo, they say Cointelpro but not speak how Little Doc Throne was framed by a new age cointelpro for trying to revolutionize LA gangs like Bunchy and Geronimo did
@@theoutlawnews8897 U right somebody had to kicc off da Watts Riots in 1965, the energy was already there, even before the Watts Riots ppl dont talk about them 1943 Zoot Suit riots, I say from the 1940s to 1960s its a lot of missing info, thatll put better context to all of this, I know they talk about the Gladiators, Businessmen, Slausons and all the rest, and how they fought the Spook Hunters, but there is stuff missing
Realest shit
Was supposed to with FG
Part 8 i meant correction
This the best part,cause being a revolutionary is being on code with the people.But 70s and 80s no telling how poverty looked in those times.I was Born in 1990
Being a revolutionary by definition is being anti government. This is why the panthers were targeted. Their ties to communism, Cuba, and anti government. It wasn’t just because they were black.
Look up the word “Revolution”. Look at other countries “revolutions”… A revolution is changing the government.
It’s hard to take older dudes serious when they still sound bitter
Bad News Brown made a good video on the LA Panthers
Frog can't even hide the hate he has for crips
Man u can hear it all in his mouth but he's supposed to be righteous
Facts
Maybe so but you can tell he has woken up and don’t like what gangs have done
@@MarcSmith-uz1tnbut he isn’t lying about what he said about them. He even included his own gang.
@@swanm3ta850gotta release the hate . Truth or not
Remember Tony Stacy east side castle crips
This interviewer DESTROYED dude!😂 there is a direct connection from the blk panthers to the Crips! OG is a blood so he don’t know what he’s talking about.
So u seeing the bias too, and the bitterness, then he go on to say thank the Lord and this and that, We have to checc our biases and look at things from different lenses, A Crip lens will say what about them pre-Blood/Crip era gangs that used to exploit the community, rob ppl and prostitute the sistas and was acting on trying to bring bacc community protection the way the panthers did, Tyrone Tate (founder of the Jordan Downs Crips) co-founded it with Huey Newton nephew, ppl was robbing ppl for leather jaccets cuz it was a disrespect to the image and likeness of the BPP to sell drugs and exploit the community for one and even worse doing it with a LEATHER JACCETT, but the very monster crips was trying to fight, they became a part of
No connection except some people knowing each other.
Panthers robbing banks to fund programs and Crips robbing jackets is not the same. Criminal gangs have been around before, during, and after the Panthers. Panthers were a revolutionary group from the start. Crips were a street gang from the start. Frog being a Blood has nothing to do with anything and he personally knew all those Crips. Don't you know that criminal groups like the Crips/Bloods can exist at the same time as a group like the Panthers?
I understand what he is saying the early, black gangs in LA did not have aby direct ties to the black panthers because there creation was doing the exact opposite of what the black panthers were teaching. Yes there were loose ties but that's not how the gangs grew, it was with robbery intimidation etc
you got em with that question Alex.. he didn't answer either btw...
Look I’m go believe AC who was there in the beginning!! They wanted to be gangsters
LET THIS BE A LESSON TO ALL YOU YOUNGINS. You maybe thuggin now but when you get older if you make it you will be washed up like this man. A waste of life smh.
Alex u got Santa locked up in that fireplace ?
😂😅
Mac Thomas was born in 1953
She was on swole 😮😮
SMH...they aren't listening 2 Alex point he made...soooo much emotions are rapped up in a touchy topic,but there is a connection whether u agree or disagree. Peace 2 all who are on this page.
So Basically It Would Be A Gang Of People Robbing One Person For A Jacket, Just So They Could Share It?🤔
Robbing a bank and Robbing little Billy 2 totally different things
He’s totally misunderstanding what you’re saying AA. Also the Black Panthers basically became the BGF
He didn't understand the question. What are you talking about?Has nothing to do with the formation of the community
We lived in the Nickerson before the the riots jumped off and success lanzit 98th
revolutionaries were trendy in the 1950s-1960s when the panthers were coming up. they studied what was going on in china, libya, middle east countries, africa, cuba, and other places. in the late 50s-60s, african countries were gaining independence from their colonial masters. web dubois was still around, and black people had different ideas of how to achieve freedom. Some wanted to do it peacefully but some felt like war would be necessary to obtain it. at that point in time, revolution was seen as a possible tool to obtain freedom. america is only 250 years old now, so in the 60s...it was only 100 something years old.
so if revolutions were happening in countries that existed for 1000s of years, young black Americans who were studying the world felt like that was necessary in America. But America has the fbi/cia/cointelpro and they feared revolutionaries because they assumed they would link up with Russia or communists, so they shut it down. America was invented by a revolution but they would never allow one to happen, especially by a minority that's only 12% of the population in 2024. But in the 60s, it was understandable. You couldn't even go to a white hospital if you got into a car accident that hurt you.
Things were tough. Italians were putting heroin in our communities. Rough times for sure. Even rockstars were under surveillance in the 1960s because for the first time in history, pop culture existed like it does now. Fans of music would adopt the ideas of their favorite artists. So people like John Lennon were under surveillance, actors and actresses, etc. America was paranoid in the 1950s-1960s because of the Cold War. Last thing America was going to allow was a revolution.
Because they feared the blacks would team up with all kinds of other people and literally revolt...so they took those brothers out, infiltrated their organization, etc. Isley Brothers even made songs about about how the government unalived those college students who protested the Vietnam war. But it got to a point where the government had to realize, people had the right to express themselves. So eventually they stopped. But the American government took out a lot of lives in the 50s-60s...
not just here on our own land, but they took out African leaders, Iranian leaders, etc. America was super scared of communism and they labeled the Panthers communists; so they killed them off. They didn't care about Crips forming because they were high school dropouts who terrorized their community. They liked that. Then they liked the idea of the prison industrial complex. The black leaders who had the power to organize were doing it for criminal purposes, and they were going to be food for the prison industrial complex in the 80's.
The government had their hand in all of this. They allowed the criminal element to grow...they made money off these criminals spending millions and billions into the economy on foreign cars, etc. They seized their money when they got caught...the government probably made billions off arresting kingpins and seizing their assets. So yeah, the government is OK with black people organizing themselves for criminality, but not for political purposes. That's why we're so divided now in 2024. The government steered our community into this direction, but we allowed them to.
All the agents fled from Chicago after the take down and started a new group of gangs without religious or moorish influence so they would be savage
If u dont know the connection between black panthers and crips…. Then you “not like us”. Born and raised…. If you know you know
Speak.
I say tookie was one of theirs and went Rouge and really started living in too deep. honestly it make sense to me
That sound like a klan move
Tookie popped up outta nowhere with no fam or proof of history. Not 1 person said that's my cousin. He was going to college for sociology and he worked as a anti gang youth counselor and running a grouphome by himself all while being a bully at parks forcing kids to follow him which is so weird cause jamel Barnes said he was a predator. Not 1 Tookie story personally besides monster. They dont show him in photos other then a few. Raymond had all that I jus said
Tookie was a Orphan in Shreveport. My uncle dr Murphy Hunt raised him and sent him off to California!
It has nothing to do with we're ur from.. it's who u r
Noll foreal ain’t got nothing to do with it
It's sad that so many Original Day one Bruthas dont know about cointelpro and for them not knowing is the main reason we self destructed if we knew and studied we would not had lost so many of our folks because we would have known exactly what to look for
Whoever is doing the interview sounds ignorant. To say the crips originated from the panthers is ridiculous
Gangs weak and fake as hell 😂😂😂
Dude doing the interview is a weirdo fr real weird 🤔
This dude be talking out the side of his neck
This dude got a lot of hate in his heart . Everytime I hear him I hear IT.
Most stand up men hate cowards running in packs ! Don't let that go over your head .
@@Hulacat-fh6bvAnd if you don't know, Now you know!!!
@@Hulacat-fh6bvI don't HATE nobody, because Forgiveness is in my Spirit. How can I HATE my self for being a fool also? I'm just Blessed to wake up from the foolishness