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Welcome home Brandon ❤
Thanks for keeping things tidy for me!
I think the older you get, the more you need to rely on your own instinct on what will work for you. If you think Juggernaut is what you need - even if you don't know all the reasons - you are probably right. Will be following along and rooting for you.
Totally agree...as I am months away from turning 40, I find myself going back to tried and true 531 and less interested in the trendy new programs. I find that it's better to have a program you enjoy rather than trying to squeeze every last pound towards a PR and not enjoy your workouts.
Yeah most def. The most optimal program is the one you stick to and enjoy doing!
@@danielkimball3037 I'm running evolv currently but I had a lot of fun with 5/3/1.
But Juggernaut and Evolve have the same algorithm, except the benchmarks which are full optional
I haven't found that to be the case.
Should show evolve ai boys some love. Definitely still work to be done but they have big plans. Just added nutrition. In baby stages right now. The ability to do benchmark sets and choose the intensity for the entire program is pretty sweet.
I actually dislike nutrition in the same app. Should have prioritized other features first imo
@@josurke I agree but it potentially lays the ground work for some really cool stuff once they start incorporating the ai algorithms with it and polish things up.
I ran it for a bit, but have more history with Jugg.
@@josurke Yeah, no way I use it over Macrofactor. Waste of resources IMO. Also what’s up with Blevins’ weird philosophical videos on their channel? I just want programming, not pop psychology.
@@timk8258 You're not the only viewer in the world and you're free to not watch content you don't want to watch.
I appreciate that you are able to do what you want and not suffer through something that's not working for you mentally. If you had kept going you could have fully burnt out and not been lifting at all! Also, I feel like your reviews for equipment and the like are very real and honest compared to some others. And I absolutely love that you've reviewed some Elitefts products. SOME popular reviewers act like they don't exist since they don't offer them any compensation.
Really appreciate that! I think part of longevity is not wasting time on things you're unhappy with.
Every successful weight lifter has been willing to try a billion variations, this should be a badge of honor for you. I train and write programs for people and I went back to Juggernaut for myself just because I needed accountability and a change of pace. Anyone who understands this sport has experienced what you're going through.
Appreciate the supportive take!
I done RTS programming, its brutally hard and reptitive. It works but its only for a certain type of person IMO
I saw that in my research about it so I knew going in, but just couldn't get it to click. Prob gave up too early, but once I have it in my mind I wasn't committed I had to move on.
Would like to hear if the weekly progressions are similar in JuggernautAI vs EvolveAI. I ran powerbuilding on Evolve for 4 cycles but got tired of slowly ramping up from 2 sets @ RPE 6-7 to 3-4 sets @ RPE 9 over the course of 3-4 weeks, then having to deload immediately after. Mainly speaking of assistance work here but it just never felt like enough volume or intensity.
My experience has been that they are essentially identical as far as the programming is concerned. I’ve enjoyed Evolves benchmark sets as a way to add variety. I’d often pick one lift to do a “1x1 @8” and would use that as a way to add extra focus to one lift and do some heavier singles to get excited about.
Also am curious how evolve compares. It seems like a good deal for programming. Did you make any good progress on this?
You can adjust intensity in the evolve app now.
I think most good programs will have some similar big rocks, unfortunately a lot of what works long time is just adding volume/intensity.
What's the heaviest barbell on the market? The Texas Monster Squat Bar?
It really depends on where you want to cap specs. There are some fatbars I've seen that weigh 70+lbs
@@BasementBrandon Thanks, on that point would you say the Heaviest "semi-conventional" barbell is the Texas Monster Squat bar?
Where can I find the 70+ lb thick bars?
@@thechugdude That I'm generally aware of. You may find some other 35mm squat bars that would weigh similar. For the 70lbs bar, the one that comes to mind is the El Gordo Fat bar from EliteFTS
I'm also back on juggernaut AI. Competing in 43 days 💪
Hell yeah!
Glad to see you back in your comfort zone, which for long term consistency and growth, is not a bad thing. Everyone has the right to change their minds or adjust appropriately for themselves - even content creators. It’s a process that we all have to evolve through (no pun intended) as we continue to learn from our experiences. Anyone who complains “but you said”, must be stuck in time.
appreciate ya Marcus!
I just read some comments here about the age discussion… it always makes me think about what training looks like in my mid 40s… hearing about how Brandon is listening to his body reminds me that there are so many qualitative factors that I often don’t consider.
I just have to be smarter with what I do. If I go balls to the wall too much my body just can't keep up and it takes a lot longer to recover vs when I was in my 20s and it may have taken only a week.
I'm glad you're excited about the training but I'm kind of shocked you quit RTS. Good luck either way!
Just wasn't there mentally
Who needs apps when you can just do what you want based on how you feel and utilizing accumulative knowledge and intuition through experience! 😅
I'm a bad RUclipsr, not a smart man Jim!
@@BasementBrandon hehehe nah I’m just messin. It is frustrating though to go back and forth with programming when it sounds like you just want to train, feel good, and be prepared to compete when needed!
Is that a custom made rogue adjustable swiss bar in white? How'd you swing that? Strip and re powder coat it?
They sent it to me.
@@BasementBrandon way less complicated than I thought Mr Haviland
Nice to see you back in training. Are you fond of the heavy volume in hypertrophy? Let us know as you progress. Take care
The hypertrophy weeks get tough for me with all the volume from a time standpoint. In the past I've used supersetting, timed rest periods, or just cutting some accessories if needed.
Interesting to see you decided to go back with Juggernaut AI. I've been using it as well. I start my peak next week, and I'm on course for some PRs. I haven't been crazy about the high volume days but I can't argue with the results. I'm looking forward to following your vlog and getting some insight from a more experienced user. Best of luck, brother!
Yeah those high volume days, especially in the hypertrophy blocks, are the worst lol
Hook grip is the way. You should 100% chalk up. It helps a lot with the slipping + chalk is legal at meets no reason not too. The pain goes away for the most part after 2 weeks. Personally after years of pulling hook for everything on my DL, I've gotten so used to it that I pull my top single and my top set of 5 using hook then everything else with straps since hook is straps anyways just with your hands lol
Will try to stick with it!
No one's ever going to call you a hypocrite for following your instincts... Except for the time when you upgraded to Ivankos plates just to get rid of them lol
Haha well the back story on that is wild. Was in Columbus AT ROGUE and was asking when they were releasing their own plates b/c I was ready to buy. They told me they weren't sure of release date. Went back to hotel and bought Ivankos. Literally next day Rogue released theirs. Tried to cancel Ivanko order but was already loaded on truck and would get a 30% restocking fee.
Isn’t evolve basically the same app? My only gripe is that I wished jugg allowed for more frequent practice of 1rm / 1@8s
Similar UIs but different methodology. Evolve uses a lot of RTS principles, so it made more sense to go back to Jugg for me.
It sounds like you needed a break. I understand wanting to switch programs but if mikes such a good coach… couldn’t he modify it for you?
Not trying to attack either of y’all just wondering
Probably, but I was mentally checked out and when that happens for me there's no going back.
Why over complicate things? Ed Coan had a simple plan and was one of the best ever. I guess bc it’s just something to do.
Using perhaps the greatest powerlifter as an example is a bit of a stretch.
I am curious on the switch, primarily do you think you enjoy Juggernaut more since you get to have more involvement in the programming and exercise selection? Or did you have just as much freedom under personal coaching?
Mike was super open to feedback. At the end of each block there was a questionnaire including things I would like in the next block.
Well evolve is amazing but is nothing wrong to go back to where you feel more comfortable
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Can you do a breakdown video of the differences between Juggernaut and EvolvAI. Their interface and other aspects seem almost dead on the same. Just curious as to what the big differences actually are?
Evolve has benchmarks as an option and recently added nutrition tracking. It does not have the tools like warmups, plate math, etc. Reviews say is it buggy still.
The initial UI is similar but they're getting further apart each day. I'm friendly with both groups so have tried to stay out of comparing directly.
@@markhalstead2386 Plate math? What is that? Also, what other features does Jugg have that Evolve does not? Thanks.
@@BasementBrandon Why is that? I mean you've used both and I'm pretty sure they are convinced about their own method. So only pointing out the differences wouldn't hurt? I'm planning to start on of the 2, but I can't make up my minder :D
@@Kevflar I have spoken to that, Jugg is great if you want programming from Chad, Evolve if you prefer Garrett/Mike T. But I spoke to the reasons for my decision in my inital Evolve video.
It's a TRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPP; if it ain't broke, no need to fix it. What's that saying, the best training program is your next one and your last one.
Lol true that.
I selfishly wish you went back to evolve ai, since that's the app im using. But either way, I think it's hard to beat the ai training apps. The readiness scores and adjusting your workout on the fly are so good for being able to train consistently for long amounts of time.
I considered it but I ran Jugg for longer and had no issues with it outside of just wanting to try something else, so it made more sense.
@@BasementBrandon Did Juggernaut still have the history of all your previous lifts/mrv/mev stuff? If so, 2 years of data is hard to walk away from
@@MrPanthers23 Yes it's tied to your email from your account. So training history remains.
Switched back to EvolveAI this week as well. Been over thinking training to death lately and just need to hand the reins over to get back to making progress.
Evolve has been working great for me as well, best program I have ever done, I tried Jugg A.I. as well and found Evolve taylors my workouts a bit better, maybe the benchmark sets make the differance. Good luck with your training.
Yeah, looking for a bit of auto pilot lol!
Little known fact but Brandon has a second channel where he doesn't reveal his face, just look up Tom Havilland and marvel at the feats of strength.
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Now I have to look that up.
Is it just me or how come I never see anyone deadlift mixed grip with hook grip?
I imagine it puts more stress on the bicep.
You’re the man Brandon, training is a journey for sure. 👊
Feel good now... let's hope it stays that way lol
Bro you’re such a hippogriff! That’s what you said to call you, right?😂
Hats off to being able to pivot and eat your words, nothing wrong with changing your mind when you own the decision. Certainly no sense sticking with something you don’t enjoy that’s costing money.
Yeah and that's my bottom line, I'm content... for now 😅
@@BasementBrandon is this a stone cold reference? Haha
@@gregors00 WHAT?!
@@BasementBrandon haha we didn’t have pay TV/cable as kids so we didn’t get to watch it much. I still get credit for correct guesses 😂
I don't think I have seen a video in my feed from you in MONTHS on my feed, until tonight. Now I recognize that I have missed two months of videos. 😢 RUclips, I have been watching this channel since the supplement days. What's good? 😢😢😢
Thanks big Josh! They probably are doing you a favor lol
I don’t think you may have given rts enough time. It takes a few cycles to figure out what works for you for squat/bench/deadlift. That’s why you try multiple different blocks and see what results you get from doing them. I do rts coaching and I’d say it took about 8 months to find what clicks, and now all 3 of my lifts are PRed. Prior to that, I was very up and down, sort of like what you may have faced. Thought it wasn’t working, until it finally clicked
I understand and can partially agree. The bigger thing for me however is just enjoying the training itself, which over the past few months of RTS, I couldn't say was the case anymore. Even if a program/coaching style is the most optimal, if it's something you don't want to do, it's hard to warrant pushing forward. Also from a monetary standpoint, it was a huge cost savings.
Gotta do what makes you want to come to the gym and get it done. Yes on training logs....I have a book, spreadsheet and my white board...over kill, of course, just like the amount of weight in my gym...Do you ever do any consulting on programming?
I have in the past but I'm too neurotic and worry too much about how the person will progress that I try to avoid it to not give myself anxiety lol.
Is this elitefts combo rack?
Hansu
When was the last time you rolled your own program in a spreadsheet? You modify jug so much and “trick” it with higher RPE ratings, so why not DIY?
I wouldn't say I trick it since RPE is pretty subjective. But I've found when starting out training again I always prefer to do more sub max stuff. It adapts over time and will readjust during my RPE10 weeks.
Brandon, what figure 8 straps do you like ? Im Thinking of trying them but I'll need to change my usual mixed grip style. I'm on juggAI, and occasionally 531, they both work for me especially around lifestyle/family.
So I got mine from Pioneer. They also sell axel versions if that's something you're interested in.
A wise man once said, BAR DON'T LIE! This highlights the importance of trying new training methods while still thinking for yourself.
A wise old basement dweller.
Really don't want to say "I told you so" but I'm not surprised you've made this switch, Brandon.
I've asked you about this before. You've worked with some great coaches yet tend not to stick. I wonder whether you don't just prefer a bit more autonomy or don't have the buy in necessary.
I might just be projecting though - I've also worked with some great, well known coaches and found I did prefer having more control.
I think it depends. Some I've moved on from b/c the programming was detrimental long term, some b/c they were just more flaky than I would have preferred, some just b/c I didn't want to continue the monetary side of it, and others just could have been a combination of things in the gym or outside it.
If you under estimate or over estimated your 1 rep max do the program adjusted accordingly from week to week ? E.g you did 100kg x10reps at rpe 10 , next week it’s not going to use your 1RM and put 120kg for 10 reps is it ?
Usually 1RMs are updated at the end of a block (usually 4 weeks). What I like about RPE based work is that it adapts for that day. So If you feel like trash and it's working off a percentage of a 1RM it may be too brutal for you.
Good luck mate. U been smoking those rogue USA Olympic plates for deads for a while now. Must like them almost as much as the strength co plates 😅
Haha it's nice to have options!
How do you like the transformer bar? I'm dealing with some bad elbow issues and shoulder issues due to poor mobility from low bar squats, so I was thinking about purchasing this while increasing my mobility so I can at least keep getting the volume in and progress with weight. But does it actually mimic a true high or low bar squat? Do you think this is a good idea or just stick with my Titan ssb?
I have a dedicated video on it, but I'll save you some time: unless you plan on using all the variations on it, I would just stick with a SSB.
I know you prefer not to program for yourself but at some point you have to admit you have so much experience to draw on that you could probably program circles around most coaches if you put your mind to it.
It's one of those things where I try to limit variables to worry about!
Glad you are excited about training!
Let's hope it lasts 🤪
3:30 lol B tell the old lady to be gentle!
I'm on week 16 of my program with JAI. So far it's been fairly robust and I like the conjugate approach this seems to go by. Do you swap Military Press and GHD into your program? I don't ever see it on the plan.
OHP going to depend on where you put your weakness for bench. For GHD, I usually pick it for one of my posterior chain movements.
1. I would love to see a weekly synopsis of your training week as in the past again.
2. Wish you would have given Evolve another/longer try. The option for 3 different intensities plus the lower/higher rep mode could give you a „non RTS -style“ training for sure.
I do like some of the stuff Evolve is doing, but when I switched from Jugg initially it wasn't b/c of lack of progress, so I felt it made more sense to go back to it.
What were the big differences you saw in between the 2 apps I’ve only used evolve so far.
I find the methodologies to be a bit different, not saying one is better than the other but I ran juggernaut for longer.
Surprised you didn't go back to evolve, awesome app been on it since you introduced it back in Dec.
I considered it, but it uses a lot of the principles from RTS and I had a longer history with Jugg.
What are hard decision. Thanks for the honesty and inside look at why you made the decision to go back to Jug AI.
I don't like to quit things, but my mind just wasnt in it.
Yeah I work with a coach and everything seems right in theory but I just dread doing the workouts. I'm thinking if also stopping the coaching
Sounds like you're not happy, if you're not enjoying it, no sense in paying for it IMO!
@@BasementBrandon yeah you actually motivated me to pull the plug. It sucks because I really like the coach and like I said, he absolutely knows what he's doing. I just don't enjoy the training
You sounded sad man, no worries. I don't think anyone is judging
Not sad, but I don't like to quit things, just trying to keep it real!
Glad to see you posting your training here again
Will try to be a bit more consistent.
Yes please do so
sweet vid mate, exemplary physique your winning
appreciate ya!
Enjoying your lifts is half the battle. Good luck dude.
Thanks Gavin!
Welcome back, Brandon. I first heard about JuggernautAI from you and now I’m at where I’m at. Can’t wait to see how you progress this time around.
Let's hope the mojo is still there 😅
I dig it, do what you think works best with your current style and motivation
You know it brotha!
It's funny how one week can feel like an eternity.
You do you brother!
Thanks JL
Interesting this video popped up today. I've also been burnt out on training the way I have been, following the same spread sheets over and over. Just started Juggernaut AI today and had a pretty nice Squat session, I have a lot of room to grow in Squat and Bench so hopefully i'll see some good progress.😊
I think the most optimal training program is the one you enjoy
@@BasementBrandon For certain. Most everything works if you work it and love the process.
1.5 hours. How many days a week are you training?
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Wow I am curious to see what happens from here! Really wanna see what happens with you back on Juggernaut. I had actually recommended it to a couple people back when you were on it before. The mental game is as much a factor as the others. Hope you continue to crush it and ready to hear how the next chapter goes. Those Hansu chrome plates looked so dang nice but my wallet laughed at me even crunching those Canadian price numbers.
I'm hoping Jugg let's me go on auto pilot a bit and have one less thing to worry about/over-analyze lol
honestly i started juggai in large part due to your videos and i have to say the program has been pretty damn good so far
Glad you dig it!
Oh yeah given permission to call you out! I had those same thoughts as you regarding coaching but finding what’s enjoyable first and motivated for is the best deal. You can’t fake effort without the buy-in. Hook grip actually adapts pretty quickly for most people I’ve taught personally! Keep it up bro!
Yeah I feel like we could have figured it out, but at the end of the day, I'd rather be doing something that I'm not stressing out over.
@@BasementBrandon I’m with you there brother. Gotta do what’s best for you.
Great to hear about your programming ! Keep your spirit up , and yes you sound a little spent !
Busy season with the kids!
What is that comborack you are using
It's the new one from Hansu
ChadBOT: Resistance is futile
You will be assimilated.
How much does Juggernaut AI cost?
after discount around $32
He’s back. Chad 🤖
Hope there's room for me still.
Oh hell yea!
WHAT?!
What are those shiny chrome plates above your comp plates?
Hansu Chromes?
@@BasementBrandon interesting. They look pretty dope. If I hadn't fallen down the weightlifting hole and been looking at competition kilo discs I would definitely be looking for something like that. Strongarm Sport has some slick looking chrome comp plates as well.
When is the hansu pb review coming
I could probably do that pretty soon.
Hello
How much do you weigh
Right around 220lbs/100kg.
Very cool intro
appreciated!
Good luck bro and love your videos!
Thanks Eric!
Hey Brandon. Glad to hear of your update. Could you kind of give us the "nutshell" differences you see between Evolve AI and JuggernautAI? Thanks!
Basically comes down to the brains of it. A lot of the normal training stuff will be similar as most programs follow some basic principles. Where it will be different is when it comes to things like bench marks, peaking, accessories.
@@BasementBrandon Thanks Brandon. Aside from the benchmarks, a difference I found (using Juggernaut book, not the AI version) was that Chad had one version where you would do Heavy, Light, Medium workouts per week in, say, the bench press and you would do full movement bench for heavy, 4 block bench for Light and 3 block bench for light (something like that...I may have gotten the block count wrong). That did seem to work for me (I haven't seen that possibility offered in the EvolveAI). There must be other concrete (specific) examples of differences between the two, but that is one that I remember.
@@gaberoo9099 good call out! I've compared the 2 apps side by side with the start of this block and the suggested protocols are different despite me putting in the exact same info. I also believe I'm a bit of an outlier since I have so much history logged in both apps vs someone who may be using both for the first time.
@@BasementBrandon Aside from that, there is a difference in the price I believe. EvolveAI was going for $77/6 months ($131/1 year...I think), whereas JuggernautAI was...$30/month?
@@BasementBrandon Not that a difference of less than $20/month is going to sway many folks. I jumped on board with EvolveAI because it was really affordable at $77/6 months and had the impression it was more or less the same as JuggernautAI (I had been following Chad's book Juggernaut training and was doing well with that approach).
First
if ya aint first you're last
My dudes.
Lets goooo man!!! Keep killing it
Thanks my dude.
Recently switched to evolve ai and I like that they have an option to pick volume and intensity that is best for you. Miss the warmup system on juggernaut tho. Love the channel 😁
I think both have a lot to offer, I just have a lot more time with Jugg and had some good progress so made the most sense!
How do you do the warm ups? Just started with evolve and did the warm ups by feel and how I always do them. Is there a recommended way?
@@stiffeification I ride the bike and then do my own mobility work.
@@BasementBrandon Thanks for the answer, helped me as well :) But actually I meant warm-up sets for the lifts themselves.
@@stiffeification Ah I just use my own warm up cadence. Don't really use the in app one.
All the Best!
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5:25 that's what she said
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@@BasementBrandon Hey Brandon, I'm thinking of getting an adjustable bench to be used as a flat bench and incline etc. Is the rep 5000 zero gap still a good one? I really like the zero gap as most adjustable benches are annoying to do flat on
I think they've since updated it some. I always liked the AB 5200 series better personally. It has a gap, but it's minimal.
Damn $880 is a ton wtf
$220/month is around what most actual coaches cost
880 is a steal for a coach of Mike T’s caliber. He could charge way more and justify it.
$220/month for 4 months, Most 1:1 coaches cost in that ballpark.
I hope this meet prep goes well! Are those the Hansu chrome plates I see behind you during the voice over?
Yes, waiting on the 20s and 25s still!
If you didn't try the other style of training, how would you know if it was for you? Glad you tried something new, but recognized what you enjoy. Looking forward to your training is the most important thing, the rest falls into place. Happy Lifting!
Thanks big Joe!
I feel a renewed sense of pride in my hook grip knowing you are using it Brandon! Super excited to see how it works for you. I am sorry you feel like you owe an explanation for the switch back to Juggernaut. You know as well as me that enjoying what you do leads to consistency which breeds progress. Keep killing it man!
Tune in next week when I give up and go back to mixed grip lol