So if before Jesus returns, there must be someone or something exalting himself or itself as God, and I think that's not happening right now, doesn't that prevent His imminent return? Unless the pretribulationists and premillennials are true...
Your arguement has no basis of truth. If you don't see the lawlessness happening all around you, you are blinded by the deception already. Lawlessness is increasing by the day. The world is being conditioned by deceit, right now. Although we are in the last hours of the last days, the anti-christ has not come yet. There is a specific time allotted for the man of lawlessness; he will not come before his time, but in order that he might be received as the christ, a conditioning must take place. We are not there yet. He's coming, and his arrival is near. We know it. We see it, but it's not God's time for him (Antichrist) to come, yet. Arguing about pre-trib is no arguement at all. In order for a pre-trib doctrine to work at all, you have to twist the scriptures in order to make the fit into your doctrine. You have to try to explain why Jesus was wrong when He plainly states that He's not coming back until after the tribulation(Mt. 24:29-31). Let me ask you, are you ready for tribulation? Will your faith in Christ outlast the tribulation? Do you understand that this world is going to experience evil in a way that goes beyond anything it has ever seen or experienced before? The only thing that we can do to be prepared for what is coming is to have an intimate relationship with the truth as it is written in the scriptures. We must not develop our doctrine on what someone else teaches, it must be developed on what Jesus Christ and His holy apostles taught. For there are those who have crept into the Church teaching things that simply appeal to our desires and they say what our itching ears want to hear, rather than the truth. There is no biblical foundation for a pre-trib rapture-- NONE. I pray that the Lord would deliver us from these types of deceit. The only truth that you will find in this world, is that which the Holy Spirit teaches us from the Word itself. DO NOT TRUST IN MANS THEOLOGY! TRUST IN GOD.
@Jason Mullen yeahp. I do see it. But my point is that Paul is referring to a particular person, not everything around us that wants to take God's place. That kind of things were already taking place in Thessalonians times, even worse than now with Cesar proclaiming himself to be God, and still he told them that there needed to be a particular "someone" who would embody that in a bigger way
(2 Thessalonians 2:9) The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, (2 Thessalonians 2:10) and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. (2 Thessalonians 2:11) Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, (2 Thessalonians 2:12) in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (살후2:9) 악한 자의 나타남은 사탄의 활동을 따라 모든 능력과 표적과 거짓 기적과 (살후2:10) 불의의 모든 속임으로 멸망하는 자들에게 있으리니 이는 그들이 진리의 사랑을 받지 아니하여 구원함을 받지 못함이라 (살후2:11) 이러므로 하나님이 미혹의 역사를 그들에게 보내사 거짓 것을 믿게 하심은 (살후2:12) 진리를 믿지 않고 불의를 좋아하는 모든 자들로 하여금 심판을 받게 하려 하심이라
John, I really wish I could just forget what you did to the prolife community. I can’t. Why? Because you were just mean. Imagine working for almost 50 years to save children from the abortionist’s blade and right when we’re on the very cusp of success have a pastor announce that he thinks we’re “presumptuous”. Presumptuous because we care more about human life than the pride you saw in one man. (And all you have to do is apologize. That you cannot shows YOU to be the one with a pride problem. Just ask forgiveness!)
You could forget, but you choose not to Hank. You say John Piper is mean, yet you have made many false claims and baseless accusations about him. Hypocrisy. You need to ask for forgiveness and repent.
@@etho98 Oh, man, I’m rather elderly and I can’t remember. If I caused offense I am truly sorry! This whole abortion situation is highly emotional for me and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if I went too far.
@@TheCannonofMohammed If so, just wanted to forgive that as well. Still praying for you and hope you find peace with regards towards your frustrations against Dr.Piper- Jesus can do that for you. Receive his peace in order to give that peace.. even to someone that you feel has wronged you. Good to talk again.
Calvinism = Lawlessness & Unrighteousness because Calvinists think that they have the righteousness of Christ imputed to them, requiring no righteousness of their own. And Calvinists are also lulled into believing that fruit bearing (righteousness) is not necessary and FAITH ALONE is sufficient to get them to heaven. Therefore, the Lawless one of 2 Thessalonians 2 is the Calvinist.
Nope, that's a caricature. Faith alone isn't sufficient for you then I dread to think what you need to add, given you feel Christ's death on the cross isn't sufficient.
@@HearGodsWord Rom3:25 & 2Pet1:9 -- You are forgiven only of past sins. Sins of commission and sins of omission after being born-again will need to be accounted for. Fruit is necessary. You can't sit twiddling your thumbs and expect God to welcome you into heaven.
@@HearGodsWord By the same token, you can say with the Muslims, Is God not able to forgive without the death of His Son--He can simply say the Word and we will be forgiven, that would be sufficient.
@Caleb Suresh Motupalli if that's what you want to think then go for it. Doesn't change what I said that you made a statement which Reformed Christians believe.
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So if before Jesus returns, there must be someone or something exalting himself or itself as God, and I think that's not happening right now, doesn't that prevent His imminent return? Unless the pretribulationists and premillennials are true...
Everyone that rejects God, exalts himself as god. The church of Satan states this in their statement of beliefs.
Your arguement has no basis of truth. If you don't see the lawlessness happening all around you, you are blinded by the deception already.
Lawlessness is increasing by the day. The world is being conditioned by deceit, right now.
Although we are in the last hours of the last days, the anti-christ has not come yet. There is a specific time allotted for the man of lawlessness; he will not come before his time, but in order that he might be received as the christ, a conditioning must take place.
We are not there yet. He's coming, and his arrival is near. We know it. We see it, but it's not God's time for him (Antichrist) to come, yet.
Arguing about pre-trib is no arguement at all. In order for a pre-trib doctrine to work at all, you have to twist the scriptures in order to make the fit into your doctrine. You have to try to explain why Jesus was wrong when He plainly states that He's not coming back until after the tribulation(Mt. 24:29-31).
Let me ask you, are you ready for tribulation? Will your faith in Christ outlast the tribulation? Do you understand that this world is going to experience evil in a way that goes beyond anything it has ever seen or experienced before?
The only thing that we can do to be prepared for what is coming is to have an intimate relationship with the truth as it is written in the scriptures. We must not develop our doctrine on what someone else teaches, it must be developed on what Jesus Christ and His holy apostles taught.
For there are those who have crept into the Church teaching things that simply appeal to our desires and they say what our itching ears want to hear, rather than the truth.
There is no biblical foundation for a pre-trib rapture-- NONE.
I pray that the Lord would deliver us from these types of deceit. The only truth that you will find in this world, is that which the Holy Spirit teaches us from the Word itself. DO NOT TRUST IN MANS THEOLOGY! TRUST IN GOD.
@Jason Mullen yeahp. I do see it. But my point is that Paul is referring to a particular person, not everything around us that wants to take God's place. That kind of things were already taking place in Thessalonians times, even worse than now with Cesar proclaiming himself to be God, and still he told them that there needed to be a particular "someone" who would embody that in a bigger way
(2 Thessalonians 2:9) The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
(2 Thessalonians 2:10) and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
(2 Thessalonians 2:11) Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,
(2 Thessalonians 2:12) in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
(살후2:9) 악한 자의 나타남은 사탄의 활동을 따라 모든 능력과 표적과 거짓 기적과
(살후2:10) 불의의 모든 속임으로 멸망하는 자들에게 있으리니 이는 그들이 진리의 사랑을 받지 아니하여 구원함을 받지 못함이라
(살후2:11) 이러므로 하나님이 미혹의 역사를 그들에게 보내사 거짓 것을 믿게 하심은
(살후2:12) 진리를 믿지 않고 불의를 좋아하는 모든 자들로 하여금 심판을 받게 하려 하심이라
The 2 thes 2 RUclips jack Hobbs
PART 1:
ruclips.net/video/89XIpEBMTKs/видео.html
John, I really wish I could just forget what you did to the prolife community. I can’t. Why? Because you were just mean. Imagine working for almost 50 years to save children from the abortionist’s blade and right when we’re on the very cusp of success have a pastor announce that he thinks we’re “presumptuous”. Presumptuous because we care more about human life than the pride you saw in one man. (And all you have to do is apologize. That you cannot shows YOU to be the one with a pride problem. Just ask forgiveness!)
Pick on someone your own size(I would encourage you...)
You could forget, but you choose not to Hank. You say John Piper is mean, yet you have made many false claims and baseless accusations about him. Hypocrisy. You need to ask for forgiveness and repent.
Quick question paul, do you feel you did anything to me in our back and forth?
@@etho98 Oh, man, I’m rather elderly and I can’t remember. If I caused offense I am truly sorry! This whole abortion situation is highly emotional for me and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if I went too far.
@@TheCannonofMohammed If so, just wanted to forgive that as well. Still praying for you and hope you find peace with regards towards your frustrations against Dr.Piper- Jesus can do that for you. Receive his peace in order to give that peace.. even to someone that you feel has wronged you. Good to talk again.
Calvinism = Lawlessness & Unrighteousness because Calvinists think that they have the righteousness of Christ imputed to them, requiring no righteousness of their own. And Calvinists are also lulled into believing that fruit bearing (righteousness) is not necessary and FAITH ALONE is sufficient to get them to heaven. Therefore, the Lawless one of 2 Thessalonians 2 is the Calvinist.
Nope, that's a caricature. Faith alone isn't sufficient for you then I dread to think what you need to add, given you feel Christ's death on the cross isn't sufficient.
@@HearGodsWord Rom3:25 & 2Pet1:9 -- You are forgiven only of past sins. Sins of commission and sins of omission after being born-again will need to be accounted for. Fruit is necessary. You can't sit twiddling your thumbs and expect God to welcome you into heaven.
@@calebmotupalli you're unintentionally agreeing with Calvinism 🤣
@@HearGodsWord By the same token, you can say with the Muslims, Is God not able to forgive without the death of His Son--He can simply say the Word and we will be forgiven, that would be sufficient.
@Caleb Suresh Motupalli if that's what you want to think then go for it. Doesn't change what I said that you made a statement which Reformed Christians believe.