Is Lorcana Too Expensive To Play Competitively?
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Seeing lots of people say that Lorcana is still relatively cheap by comparison to YGO and Magic, which yes it is, and it was clearly put in the video. But the fact that Lorcana is such a new game to arrive on the scene but is already seeing prices comparable to games that have been around for 5+ years, feels rather rough in terms of investing into the game as a newcomer if they may have an interest in trying to play competitive.
I personally play the Digimon TCG which I think people have said is around the 2nd cheapest game to play among the usual standout games, with Pokemon being the cheapest, though thats probably due to them being able to print enough product to satiate demand and keep prices low. But looking at the recent Peoria event for Digimon, the most represented deck there was Numemon, which is around $250, with most of that money going to like 10 cards out of 50 that makes up for most of the cost of the deck while the rest are like $1 or less.
That's a very good point too.
As a Yugioh player, It’s actually insane how expensive our decks have become 😭, that being said Konami are getting a lot better with reprints. Nowadays if you just hold on for a couple of months there should be a reprint set. I think the main negative about Yugioh, and this is quite a popular topic within the community atm, is the prizing which is straight up dog water. I think top 4 players win a Nintendo switch and a rubber playmat 😭(first place obviously wins a trophy) it’s just insane. Especially when you consider how much these players are paying for their decks. I came to this video hoping to see if Locrana was a cheaper TCG I could go to, which it is but still quite pricey, if anything I’ll probably start looking into Pokémon now 😅
Pokemon is the cheapest by far. But lorcana is still new enough that a cheap $150 deck can take you places, same as a $700.
it hasnt reached the level of magic and yugioh yet but its rising quickly
Hopefully it never does!
As a vetran of multiple card games and playing them all competitively at some point. 200-300 is average for a deck. Theres variance but your deck can be as cheap or as expensive as you want it to be. I think there are several factors right now that has the lorcana staples at a high. 1 new players are joining at a high rate because of how much buzz has been comming from the dlc. 2 set 1 and set 2 dont really get opened. Set 1 is mostly getting bought up and saved sealed till later down the line. Various cards in the set are staples. 2. There is a very short time before the next round of store championchips for the promo enchanted ursulas. 3. The ratio of people opening/stores cracking packs for inventory to people buying from online sales/in person is too skewed. Most of the time you wont make your money back unless you pull an enchanted. Even then you could pull a location or a non sought after one / it could be a lower end card like sorcerers hat or pete.
Its also just hard to not consider no banlist, no reprints, and even if disney ip i doubt it has been printed as greatly as magic, pokemon, and or yugioh.
All very good points! Thanks for your input.
There's literally no need for a ban list in a card game with 4 sets. 😂
As a long time Magic Player this game costs pocket change in comparison. I have traded literally one commander deck of mine and got 5 boxes (3 first chapter and 2 Floodborn) and have now completed playsets of both sets literally from one MTG deck!
That speaks more to how expensive mtg is, especially commander. But I still agree with the principle that lorcana is cheap comparatively.
It's not really "too expensive"
You can technically buy the top meta decks for 200-300€ and still can get decent decks for 80€-150€
Thats what you pay for sports equipement no matter what sports you play.
If you take the decision to play competitively, you wanna have quality to do well, football players buy a 200-300€ boots, basketballplayers buy 200-300€ shoes, racket sports buy 200€+ rackets. And that's normal sports, not talking about the expensive sports such as billards, golf, horse-riding and stuff like that.
So I think if it's your hobby, disney is your thing, then it's no too expensive. Obvs if you buy multiple booster boxes a month then it's getting unneccessary expensive.
I like the analogies here! Well done.
This is reasonable yes, but for a TCG that is still very new, having entry be so high so quickly can be quite discouraging if you do want to try and be competitive.
@@Vaeltis exactly. Hopefully it will stay in place where it is or even drop a little going into the future.
Saying this I built a competitive deck with 170 (ruby amethyst not the most competitive but still)
@@fogdragon5566 that's awesome! Like I said in the video, you can still make some great decks for a cheaper price.
One Caviet is that the prizes in lorcana are some 6-10 times that of what pokemons are, the Lille 1st place prize probably exceeded $60,000 depending on what the mickey goes for.
That's very true. I'm watching that card to see what it does end up selling for.
I think some of this is that the early sets are still a struggle to find. Prices are starting to stabilize now that RB has better prepared with set 4.
Absolutely. It's been a wild first year of the game!
How much has this to do with how many product is just being pumped out? Are pokemon decks cheap because they overprint non stop?
I'm sure that is certainly a factor. And pokemon has so much more product/singles flooding the market. Lorcana has a much smaller fan base as of now.
Its worth mentioning that the mtg standard rotation season is a lot shorter than any of these other gsmes i believe. So while yes the decks are more expensive in lorcana, those cards all retain their value over time. Whereas mtg cards basically all become eorthless ehen they cycle out if they dont see play in commander.
A lot of pro Yugioh players have actually been shifting to lorcana. I could see lorcana being in the big 3 here soon.
I've noticed that as well. I'm open to having more players in though!
Yu-Gi-Oh just set the Guinness World Record for number of players at a single tournament, which was 7443 players at YCS Japan in April
I just saw that! Someone else commented the same thing. That's nuts to think there is almost 10k players at one tournament like that.
The key word is “Japan”. Yugioh is struggling here in America.
Bro u got me so smoked compared to yugioh magic Lorcana is way cheaper !!!! Please if u read this any deck being $300 is mad cheap a budget rouge deck in yugioh is easily like $500$-700 if u need to get everything like staples not alone best decks go from $700-1500 easily
That's the whole point of the video lol. But I think it shows how expensive playing card games at any level can get pricey fast.
That’s why people quitting yugioh expensive decks zero rewards. You beat 2000 people w your 1500 dollar deck? You get a round of applause 👏 and a game system no one plays.
@@justinmendiola1868 I've heard the rewards are bad.
@@RensCollectibles they are pathetic to say the least
@@justinmendiola1868 no matter what gameplay wise Yugioh is definitely the best card game ever then uno then Lorcana !
Important fact : those are the Prices of the cards...
NOT the COST of the cards !!! Where do you take into account the sales Taxes and shipping cost of those. No youtuber considers these from what I watched. When i do talk about these things I'll mention taxes and shipping cost to consider atop the PRICE listed on such sites as TCG players. (for canadians buying from usa is not good cuz 15$ shipping is hiking those prices per card)
I think it's just standard to understand that's the base level price for what you're paying for cards. Idk anywhere that doesn't make you pay tax and shipping. Those are just generally understood, at least in my opinion. But that's good to point out still.
@@RensCollectibles yes indeed. It's just that I've been getting the tougher to unpack cards and other channels NEVER mention those things (maybe cuz they are sponsored by TCG player :P )
Glad I never got into it in the first place
You're missing out!
I mean my old gravity bind deck for the old days of yughio was like 600 or 700 to put together back in the day.
I couldn't imagine it now. Is that considered vintage?
It is wayyy cheaper than Magic The Gathering. 100% !!
Which is good !
(a friend lent me 2 cards of 200$ for a MTG tournament, 2 cards... you are erring on your numbers friends for MTG, you are lower than reality)
And Yugioh!
@@RensCollectibles Yugioh has so much hype. I jest never got it. But i can see why with the manga and TCG craze of the 2000s that it built itself to be a major player in CCGs. Best hope for all fandoms going forward with those luxury cardboard rectangles!
@@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 I'm the same way, never really got into Yugioh. At some point, you just have to stop getting into all of these games and focus on just a few.
@@RensCollectibles I'm starting to feel Lorcana has too many sets close together... August and i gotta have money for a box of boosters again so soon?
It is not, whoever thinks that way must be chasing cards by opening packs
Well, most people who are just getting into the competitive scene are trying to rip packs. Singles are the way to go if you do want to be a competitive player.
why would i buy a Beast Romantic hero for 80$ Canadian + tax (100$) when i can buy a full box for 165$+tx. TLDR : for 2 beast I get 1 box. Easy choice ; a box.
@@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 that’s fine if you aren’t playing competitively
It’s tough for new players to go back in time and pick up staples from older sets. So thankful we were able to get them when the prices were reasonable, but still valid points on the creeping prices being prohibitive.
I think as the new sets continue to come out, cards will be more available.
Tamatoa already trippled price since when i bought them 3 i was missing (2-3$ US)
now jumping to 11-15$US... Dragon Maleficent is 50-55$US or more and rising cuz of the Blue-Red ability to snuff Bucky-Diablo green decks
That's the life cycle of TCGs too. The rise and falls of prices.
@@RensCollectibles exact ! I love Lorcana and knew when i got into it in april that we better get those rarer cards ASAP, cuz of all the pixelborn players having to buy physical now that it's closing down. The wave of new players is arriving slowly on the horizon! It will be a massive TCG for years to come!!
@@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 I agree, I think more players are going to be buying physical cards. At least, in the short term. There's no other way to play now.
@@RensCollectibles another aspect, is Tamatoa shiny, is a set 1 card, and becoming increasingly harder to come by since no reprints on the horizon, Same goes for Set 1 staples/legendaries.
@@aaronbuffalo7769 I agree with that
commander isnt the competitive format of magic if you want to compare competitive prices you should look at modern or pioneer and if you want to get shoked look at legacy or vintage. 1v1 Commander isnt a format people play look at normal commander
Oh god no, I'm not looking at vintage or legacy. I know how bad those are lol.
You cannot compare lorcana constructed with Standard in Magic. Lorc comp is (until now at least) a legacy Format, AS in "everything ist legal". Standard ist a rotating format, wich will very much affect cardprices.
You would have to compare it with modern or legacy in mtg...
I think it's still fair, as the prices are around the same as what Lorcana is. Even comparing it to commander is a different beast, but worth a look.
@@RensCollectiblesyou can't buy a competitive Modern deck for what you can get a deck in Lorcana for. 😂
@@RensCollectibles Modern is the the most played 'real' competitive format at the moment for magic (there is no such thing as official competitive commander, although there are 3rd party events). Meta decks in Modern are all pushing to the $1k range. If we're talking Legacy the average deck cost is like $3-4k. Vintage is of course the highest end at like $50k+ But to be fair basically no one actually plays that format in paper. Standard is the cheapest possible competitive format to play outside Pauper (only commons). Even pioneer is higher.
@alanli6276 I still don't understand why wizards hasn't made commander the top format for competitive.
@@RensCollectibles There are a ton of reasons. Including that it's expensive as stated before. The format is also run by the RC which is a third party committee and not Wotc itself (supposedly). It's also meant to be a casual format, and the fact that it's multiplayer makes competitive very awkward sometimes for both gameplay and tournament advancement reasons. I've attended and even helped host some fairly large CEDH events and there is a passionate fanbase for it, but I don't see it ever reaching mainstream.
But im still trying to get some decks to play too
That's awesome!
I wish it wasn't so exensive to get meta cards. i get it but it sucks
I feel that too. But, the good news is you can get creative with non-meta decks and still do well in a tournament!
It’s not expensive compared to Yugioh. When some staples prior to reprints fetch 100+
Yugioh is absurdly expensive
@@RensCollectibles magic is far worst. Just to build a commander deck from scratch, with the goal of being able to compete against and actually possible do well at high tier events, your looking to drop a minimum of $4k. As someone who has played yugioh since they were three, pokemon since they were 6, magic since they were 21, digimon since they were 21, and has been playing one piece for a year. (I'm 24 btw) The only card game I can call cheaper then lorcana is pokemon, (though sometimes pokemon is more expensive, depending on format), but with lorcana, all of the stuff you buy for one deck when your new, transfers near perfectly to your next deck, (meaning all the red cards likely transfer perfectly, if it's a red deck, for example. So once you pick up those expensive staples for the colors you like, the cost of building a new deck, becomes about $20-$30 bucks. While pokemon that cost in the same scenario tends to be about $60-$80, magic it tends to be a minimum of $400-$500, yugioh it tends to be $200-$300, one piece it tends to be $40-$70, digimon is around $30-$60, (these calculations are based on you already being a fully established player, with all relevant and necessary staples in your collection already, meaning all that's left are non staple stuff that your deck runs)
@@projectvayne39 Oh yeah, I know commander is ridiculously expensive. I did mention and go over it a little bit in the video. That's why I don't play commander outside of my friend group, because I'm not dropping $1k+ on a single deck.
yugioh literal just set the world record in japan with 8k players and that was a lottery system.. pokemon doesnt come close
I don't really follow Yugioh, I just saw tournaments here weren't as big. I'm sure pokemon would be bigger if they didn't cap them so small. Also, go Blue!
Yeah but you get better prizing at the Dentists’ Office than you do at an 8k person YGO event.
@@HiyaaGeorgie 😂😂😂
YuGiOh is thriving in Japan. In the west YuGiOh is limping along
Not a MTG fan (been only playing since january 2024) BUT pokemon cannot be bigger than CEDH and competitive MAgic. You gotta watch the tech and complexity. Not number of people. As in music and art, the quality and complexity and technicality makes the best. NOT popularity and sheer numbers of people :P SMH
I was merely talking about the players/tournaments for that. MtG has always done amazing things to supplement their TCG (music/videos, etc )
@@RensCollectibles yeah got ya!
As so many other people have said, Lorcana is on the less expensive end of card games. I'm curious to know what card games you're playing, where you think that $300 is a lot for a deck, when Magic Standard has been at $300+ for years for the better meta decks.
YGO! is literally costing players a hundred dollars per card right now! Snake Eyes I believe. I'm so glad that I stopped playing that game, even though I genuinely loved it. I could see the writing on the wall even when I first got into it in 2008.
One Piece is so expensive that I didn't even bother to give the game a chance. I was looking for a game to not steal all of my money for cardboard. I already had Magic for that.
You can play extremely powerful decks that are very friendly to the wallet. You do NOT need to play the meta. It's a trap.
To the average person, $300 for an ever changing and evolving deck is still a lot. As stated in the video, Yugioh and Magic are considerably more expensive.
It is wayyy cheaper than Magic The Gathering. 100% !!
Which is good !
@@RensCollectibles your video is titled, "Is Lorcana too expensive to play competitively," and you believe for one second that some new to card games 12 year old that grew up on Disney is jumping into the deep end of Lorcana tournaments?
You've got to pick a lane.
@Xoulrath_ the majority of players in Lorcana are adults, so not sure where you're getting your "stats" from. Keep projecting though.
@@RensCollectibles stats? I didn't mention stats at all. Again, I point to YOUR title about Lorcana and it being expensive for COMPETITIVE PLAY.
Absolutely NO ONE who plays card games competitively jumped to Lorcana and thought that it was expensive. Anyone who is new to card games will get the same sticker shock with ANY card game on the market that it worth playing competitively.
So again, YOU are asking a question and then analyzing it from a different angle than you need to be.
I've been playing card games and "collectable" games for 27 years. Games like HeroClix, Mech Warrior, and Star Wars Minis just to name few. I've also played 40K and a number of RPGs, all of which can be done competitively in some way. Lorcana is BY FAR THE LEAST EXPENSIVE COMPETITIVE GAME THAT I'VE EVER PLAYED DURING THAT TIME.
I really have no clue why it is that you think that I'm projecting. I've purchased these cards. They are CHEAP. Meta decks will ALWAYS cost more because more people netdeck and jump to the "easy" win, so the cards see more demand, and thus the prices go up. You're the one projecting and pulling stats out of nowhere.
Do yourself a favor and just block me from your channel if you're not interested in an actual debate, and just want to beat your chest like the big ape.
Pay 2 Win!
As is the TCG tradition!