The 2024 Volkswagen ID.4 Pro S Is A More Buzz Worthy Electric SUV For The People
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- After nearly 4 years on the market, VW’s first-ever dedicated EV gets some big upgrades in the form of new electric motors and much improved tech. The 2024 #VolkswagenID4 should become more appealing as the updated #ID4 gets a big power boost with up to 81 additional HP and on the #ID4Pro4S with RWD nearly 300 miles of range. Expect the updated #VWID4 to show up at US dealers in early March.
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We got an ID.4 and absolutely love it, it’s a great car, does basically everything well, the comfort is one of my favorite parts, it’s a very comfy car. The touch controls are also not nearly as big as an issue as people on the internet make it out to be, you get used to them almost immediately.
I never felt the 201hp was slow, not fast but not that lacking, but the power bump for 2024 is nice along with the other changes! Makes a great car even better!
I wonder how big the bonus was for the guy who saved the money for 2 rear window switches. These are simple things in a car that should remain simple.
That was just petty of VW. Can't imagine what they were thinking. Maybe some executive cost cutting mandate.
I wonder how much they saved by putting drum brakes on the rear.
I have used rear door windows maybe 10 times during last 10 years. First world problems.
@@bryanbell3362 drum brakes make perfect sense on an EV as they decrease rolling resistance and won't have corrosion issues that disc brakes will have on an EV that doesn't get used...
@@bryanbell3362 Its to save the driver money, on an EV, a lot less likely to be used as most of the braking will be regenerative on the back axle.
AWD is not only for traction in all weather, but the regen is more stable in slippery conditions than the RWD, those LED lights are truly awesome in the Pro S according to Bjorn Nyland
Thanks for the review. Your presentation was very refined. We own the 2023 VW ID.4 Pro S model and just reach the one year mark and still love it. I'm a first time viewer and I have subscribed. Again, thanks, and God bless,
I don’t think he appreciates your blessings…..
Great video as always Sofyan. Love how much info you pack into these plus giving the qualitative impressions like the feel of the power and the throttle response etc. Hard to find reviewers giving these details that affect how cars are to live with.
We have a 2023 Tesla model 3 performance, 2023 ID.4 AWD Pro S and 2019 Nissan Leaf SL Plus. We absolutely love our ID.4! It’s one of the first ones that came of the production line in Chattanooga. The changes for the 2024 model make it one of the best if not THE best family EV.
The dampening on the ID4 is just absolutely perfect. It’s the best highway cruiser I’ve ever driven.
I don't think it looks like a minivan, love the way it looks to be honest
That’s why we say looks are always subjective. The ID.4 is not a bad looking vehicle; we just wanted VW to add some of the aggression from the GTX trim in other markets.
It looks like a van that's had a chopped roof
I don't see a minivan look either.
It’s definitely one of the better looking EV crossovers. Basically looks like a normal SUV, which is a huge pro IMO
I love look the id4 ... Never vans look
I Own Qty 2. 2023. ID-4 Pro S RWD. It’s also my 8th ID-4’s. Excellent EV’s
The increase in horsepower is excellent. That they kept the bad controls on the steering wheel and doors is tragic. Needs some knobs too. VW didn’t change enough.
Don’t know why they haven’t phased that out when it’s out for the Tiguan
It isn’t nearly as bad as people on the internet act like it is.
Read the comment from the actual owner.
I have the GTI. I’m a 60 year old female. The haptic buttons are great. They’re multifunctional, making life easier, not harder.
The interface is simple, intuitive & easy to use.
Actually I prefer no rear switches unless I need them which is rarely.
Extremely informative as always.
thank you
Maybe I missed it. , but I didnt see mention of how awesome the turning radius is. I think one-of-the best in the industry
You highlighted the all weather lights in place of fogs lamps..not mentioned by most.
DRUM BRAKES?? You made my day, I never would have noticed that. WOW!
Because of regenerative braking, EV don't need disc on the rear. At least no at this power level. Remember, 80% of the stopping is on the front brakes.
@@krane15 And these won't rust just to be not used
@@timogronroos4642 Thats a good point.
Having had to spend $1000 getting my calipers replaced on my prius because they will seize due to lack of use from regen braking, from brakes on hybrids and evs makes WAY more sense.
@@SweetLou0523 Thank you for reminding me to stomp the brakes on my prius from time to time lol.
So basically, after four years VW has updated the ID.4 to something closer to how it should have shipped originally.
I remember reading that it took Nikolai Tesla (considered a genius) three years to design an efficient AC generator. This new motor took some years to design, develop, and test.
Haptic controls and sliders are terrible. Real knobs and buttons, please!
Drums brakes arent as attractive, but because its an RWD EV, most of the braking power is at the front anyways, with the rear being motor based regen. Drums here won't have issues of rusting and are extremely low maintenance. And as an owner of the 2021 model, I can tell you first hand how much the front brakes have a tendency to get rusty. There is always a thin layer of brownish brake dust on the front wheels while the backs are squeaky clean.
Its a cost cutting measure bub. Don't be so gullible.
EU here. We still have the capacitive buttons (unfortunately) on the 2024. I should get mine around June but i wasn't told this changed. We definately do NOT get ventilated seats even as upgrade. It's massaging and heating but only id7 get the ventilated seats.
Capacitive buttons are great. They’re multifunctional. You’ll love them & wonder what the hack some reviewers have against them
Thanks for the video. Nice to hear about the improvements. Wouldn't have minded a few more (less touch capacitive buttons, built-in dashcam, better stereo for levels below Plus) but still glad for the improvements. It's too bad the ID4 wasn't like this from the start. I think the ID4 currently has a so-so reputation now due to the earlier infotainment, power (for RWD) and range shortcomings of the 21-23 models. The 2 button window controls, though way overblown, also generated/generates some negative vibes.
As improved as the 2024 is, it's still going to take some time to reverse the negative opinions. Since the 2024 exterior looks the same, I bet a lot of people will just assume the 2024 still has the shortcomings of the prior years. It was a poor decision by VW to not make a single aesthetic change to distinguish it from earlier ID4s. They could've simply made the rear turn signal lens amber instead of red, then people would be able to recognize it as a 2024 that has some improvements.
I don't understand people's preference for hood struts. Ok, some people may not have the physical strength or height/arm length to lift up the hood, so I can understand that they would prefer struts. But for people who can lift up a hood, why would you want struts? I can lift a hood, so I much prefer a rod to prop up the hood. A hood prop rod will not break, whereas struts will fail (lose pressure) and need to be replaced after some years.
In your video, the switching between AWD to RWD then back to AWD versions of the ID4, especially when they both had the same interior color, was a bit confusing.
I'm happy u feel the same. I love audi and vw sedans. They should really electrify the jetta and stay true to its iconic look
I have a 2019 Acura RDX and this car looks equally as good as that from outside.
This is now back on the radar. The design will age really well, the power and driving dynamics were the issue. Glad to see they addressed this quickly. Of the list of Tax credit eligible new cars, this is a great buy now.
I was hoping the Idbuzz would be released by now. This still looks ok...
I buzz is grossly under-powered. It too could use these motors.
@@krane15why power up an id buzz? the original vw bus had under 100 hp, drives really slow but was a cultural hit
@@krane15ID Buzz is getting these motors
Grateful for the review. We have one on order. Video seemed rushed. At first you were reviewing the all-wheel-drive and then all of a sudden you were driving the rear wheel drive which confused us. Always enjoy your reviews, but maybe take just a little bit more time.
The start-stop button on the steering column allows you to keep all the systems in the car operating to warm or cool granny or Rover while you run into the store with the key fob in your pocket or purse. The 2023 ID 4 Pro AWD has heads up display.
The 2024 Volkswagen ID.4 Pro S is a great car! 😊
Did they improve the audio system? I heard you can get an h/k speaker package with a sub, but assuming that’s not on the Pro S.
Yes, the 10-speaker Harmon Kardon stereo system is available only on the Pro S Plus trim.
Are the standard speakers improved?
Not my market so there isn't much that I like about this car. Owners of the earlier models report many complaints and I was surprised to hear that it is one of the best selling EVs in the world!
Plz add weight and range international currency (kg.km)
The rose bowlllll
SK battery pack gets the tax rebate, LG battery lacks dont qualify, be sure to check that before buying,
It only took almost 3 decades for the Toyota Tacoma to get disc brakes.
Since Elon Musk openly supports Ruzzia, the ID.4 is a much better choice than the embarrassment that comes with being seen driving a Tezzla. Those people who have the misfortune of owning a Tezzla should sell it fast before the market for those cars takes a massive dive.
Totally recognized where you were driving! Santa Anita Avenue in Arcadia between the Arboretum and Shops at Santa Anita!
Good car but it's still too expensive for me to move to eletrics
If you don’t road trip much, you can get a Bolt EUV for $21k after tax credit
Used EV market pricing has fallen a great deal recently. Plus there is a $4000 federal tax credit now. You can try to find the best used EV for $25k and get it down to 21k after credit.
Great Review thankyou....Mines coming in May 😁
looks realy nice and that German engineering I bet is spot on... I think that it would kill the Tesla if it got 350+ miles range
Actually the steering wheel in Germany/Europe also still has the haptic buttons. VW is in the process of changing these to physical buttons again though but unfortunately just hasn’t done it for this ID.4 update yet.
Only because reviewers versus owners decided they didn’t like them.
I personally love the capacitive buttons & am sorry to see them go
Actually I do as well, I don’t know why I put the word “unfortunately” in there. 🤷🏻♂️😅 I love the sliding function/option. Very convenient.
Lack luster interior design of new cars is discouraging.
Amazing job Sofyan.
The 2024 Volkswagen ID.4 is absolutely a technically better car than most of its electric rivals. However, the interior design is still a little bit behind the trend in terms of an electric car.
It's better than a tesla 😁
As someone who has Tesla Y and also had VW cars for 15 years, I strongly disagree. CCS charging alone makes this car almost useless for long-distance trips in the US. Efficiency, performance, and price are "meh" compared to Model Y.
Drumbrakes are a dealbreaker for me. I can’t believe they put that on a 60k car lol.
I loved this color and this EV is my daily car.
Great video… It’s a very nice looking car!
When it comes to Electric vehicles there's only three things I care about. Range, charging speed and if it has one pedal driving.
Can you do a review on BYD?
No
Hey VW, 1995 called. They want their rear drum brakes back. It's 2024! Come on now!
Its an EV. Rear wheel discs would be redundant.
@krane15 yet Making screens bigger for no reason is OK and taking away buttons and hiding them in menus so drivers are even more distracted is okay but redundant brakes aren't. Keep drinking the kool-aid bruh
Are you guys using a new camera Sofyan ?
There currently is a STOP SALE order on them. Forgetaboutit.
Disappointed VW didn't do more. Powertrain is good upgrade but why not upgrade on all trims including smaller battery pack? The fastest 2023 rwd id4 is the smaller pack and lowest trim assume for 2024 fastest is awd pro trim. Also vehicle to load, plug and charge, id7 massage seats and upgraded cameras.. also no detailed pricing. I really wish they added upgraded drive train to 60kwh pack...
If you want one now lease it. By the time your lease it up it will be better and have the NACS charging port.
RWD drum brakes allow for cheaper cost and maintenance. Do you want higher cost?
Yep, its just a cost cutting method. You don't need the wisdom of Solomon to tell VW has gone over it cars with a fine tooth comb to search out as many ways to cut cost as they can.
Someone would need to bring your attention to the rear drum brakes, but other things such as hard scratchy plastic way up high on the dash, and the extreme cheap out with the two window switches (embarrassing) are impossible to miss.
New GTI review coming soon?
The new GTI isn’t out. How would he review it 😂
Sadly, you’re going to have to wait a bit longer for the US spec car! VW did tell us that we can expect a few reveals happening this year at the LA Auto Show! Stay tuned for all our upcoming coverage and we should also be driving the ID.Buzz this summer!
@@theredlineAwesome!
@@BenTroxellWas hoping for an early access preview since the 2025 was covered on another channel. Thought maybe Volkswagen was starting to give journalists access now or soon.
Does teh AWD give you more regen? Ho w about the sound system, better than last years?
You need to get the Plus+ to get the premium sound system. He says it in the video.
Question... What part of the steering, you as a driver, should be touching while driving?
The part where you're comfortable. Typically 10/2 or 3/9.
I heard from a student in a recent drivers training course that the new suggestion is lower to “8 & 4” o’clock. Supposedly safer during airbag deployment. I’m not sure I’ll change my 9 & 3 habit, but I see the point.
$55k and you get a cheap hood prop.... No thanks.
I had the same reaction at first, but what does it matter? It will only ever be opened to refill the wiper fluid.
Worst cup holders ever! Give us the new ones!
I thought the e-golf was the first fully dedicated ev in america 🤷🏻♂️
Perhaps because the Golf was also available with an engine whereas the ID.4 is EV only.
He mentioned some competitor models have rear reclining seats. Could anyone name a few? this would be a big feature to have for my family.
Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 have rear reclining seats.
What's really bizarre is that VW pioneered the reclining rear seat. Consumers are a whole lot more savvy than they used to be. So we know when something's missing, and if smells like cost cutting, it probably is. Not a way to sell cars VW. Especially not when their is a ton of competition that's doing a lot better.
I dont hate it, but I definitely will not lie awake at night wishing for one. The styling was born tired, and it almost seems (like the Nissan Leaf) to be deliberately ugly. Was this really designed by the same people who did the Passat and the Golf, and the Up ?
2023 ID4s in my neighborhood are going for $18K off MSRP 🤣
Which city?
They finally figured out people drive the car at night.
good review, but you can t use sunglasses on camera
you guys, you guys, you guys.
Dude. It's FOUR-THOUSAND NINE-HUNDRED POUNDS. Its 1,400 lbs heavier than my Model 3, which also hapoens to have practically infinite onboard storage space. Probably has fewer rattles, though.
the id 4 was volkswagen's first dedicated EV to america? seems like you forgot about the e golf, eh cupcake
I'd rather take my 55,000 and buy a BMW X3 or BMW I4
@japanwatchconnectiondon't think VWs retain value much better than BMW
I see the minivan vibes in this design.
Leave it to VW to call their Hertz Premium spec interior, "Galaxy Interior". Lmao
We’ll know that EVs have arrived when manufacturers stop putting in asinine controls to make them look modern. Form over function is bad!
Tesla: you mad?
Be careful what u wish for
Does it still run the oddball sized tires..front/rear.??............And any electric car must run the newest LFP or M3P batteries to attract My attention...........Also, I want to see a very large display behind the steering wheel and forget that lap-top bolted to the dash.......In other words more like an airplane cockpit............They should hire Me as an adviser and would see much more modern/efficient cars.................Paul
You should design a better vehicle and try to make money on it while selling relatively few of them per year. Don’t forget the shareholders who want high net profits.
131800rmb in china
It seems like VW is always 1 generation behind the competition
How did we get to this point that every car interior consist of a couple of cheap tablets. I can't believe people are ok with this design.
How old are you ?
Any chance the ID.4 now includes a heat pump instead of resistive heater for the cabin?
The 2024s being shipped to Canada have heat pumps...finally.
That screen seem so far to reach.
ok, someone remind me, why was this car so maligned/hated by most automotive journalists? Price? quality? competition? Something was wrong with this car, despite the sales numbers, just can't remember what it was.
Most because the software for the infotainment screen was so bad. It was a real deal breaker till the 2023 model. But in my opinion the 2024 model is how the ID.4 should have launched in 2021.
@@Demobot1 The infotainment also got a huge boost in power. It now responds almost instantaneously. Yes, still the capacitive switches and the two switch window controls that is just silly, but not deal breakers now that the power is over 300+ hp. That's a huge jump.
If you’re in the market for an EV, why on earth would you pick this over a Model Y? Especially, considering the price.
Maybe if you don't want unergonomic cost-cutted cheaped out minimalism and dont want to support an anti-free speech Russian asset sell-out. You're fool to trust Elon with anything. Ever try to get one of those things repaired?
Drum brakes: they can be designed in such a way that once locked, they don’t lose their grip over a longer engagement time like the disk brakes do. More suitable as a parking brake. Unlike a gasoline car, an EV like ID.4 doesn’t have a holding pin in a transmission that locks it when in park position, thus an utterly reliable parking brake becomes crucial. Since the electric motors can operate as a brake too, drum brakes at the rear become sufficient for deceleration duties. So, this design decision makes sense to me.
The three buttons instead of conventional four for window up-down switches make neither ergonomic nor engineering sense. So there must be some other reason. My guess is that this is a part of a deliberate psychological barrier to prevent affluent buyers from purchasing ID.4 instead of Audi e-tron. Exquisitely drab interiors, with black shiny hard plastics that never look clean may serve the same purpose.
The danger for Volkswagen in regards to ID.4 is of course competition from the likes of Honda, Nissan, and eventually Toyota, with their base EVs featuring highly ergonomic and nicely done interiors. I guess Volkswagen may revise their questionable design devisions, such as three-button window switches, after they realize that such decisions critically contributed to a loss of sales on the order of 10,000 or more ID.4s a year.
I agree on the brakes. The window switches will be back, but there is no specific date. Possibly in 2025. I guess, separate climate controls will be added as well. It is easy to criticize, but we don’t know if these cars make any money for VW at this time. They invested billions of dollars in the EV endeavors.
Body, you always talk about Tesla if it was the absolute reference for EV. The thing is that they had Pelling paint problem, they squeak and rattle from everywhere and they have an overall cheap plastic interior feeling.
You just can’t make any positive comments without bashing in the next statement. It’s just sad listening to you … “but…” “except… “ bye, gurl. Unfollowed.
Volkswagen has made a big mistake by not building more Electrify America charging stations and upgrading to to improve sales of their EVs with 3 year of free charging. It is becoming more and more of a hassle to find EA charging stations that are not working fully or have a waiting line resulting in me using chargers that I have to pay for charging. They have also taken away included free options like folding mirrors, etc. My 2021 free charging is going to be up soon and because the free charging is tougher to use I d a it ad no benefit any longer. I put 50,000 miles on my ID4 every year and 80 percent of that is fast charging due to driving 250 to 300 miles a day when driving it. VW could of marketed their EVs as the car to buy if need to fast charge each day WITH free charging if u work/drive long distances each day with free charging. Free charging with EA not going to be any benefits any longer with changing to Tesla plug version. I see VW EV sales falling when EA CCS not with newer VW EVs. My understanding is that Tesla will be charging more when using their chargers with a non Tesla EV. Because of these issued my next car will be a Tesla.
VW EVs are nice but not great … outside the US/Canada BYD is outselling them by far
$55,695 ouch!
Hyundai Ioniq 5 $55,000 . Feel better now?
There is also a high-performance Ionq 5 N that starts at $67,000!
Still to expensive and the ergonomicomics of the interior are trash. It will lose half it's value in a year and a half as usual
I just can't see myself buying an E.V don't want to deal with the inconvenience that come with them. Worrying about range ,inding a charging station and hoping it works, and waiting a half hour for a charge; just pour the gas in and go.
I charge at home and don’t worry about the time I would waste pouring gas
"Looks like a minivan"?? This does not look like a minivan.
lol, so true, someone needs to get glasses,, lol
Whoa! $56k for this?!? And it's not even the top trim. 😲
“It’s kinda worth it to pay the 5,000 extra to get it to go a usable distance.” Imagine paying more money for the same car to drive further. Electric cars are such a scam. No matter what trim of a Tiguan you get it will go the same range.
Hmm so you’ve never heard of diesel trucks? Or paying extra to get the larger capacity fuel tank in a Silverado?
my god that small and ulgy plasticy cluster is so cheap and depressing!
Okay VW you need to go back to the drawing board on this one this is a hot mess.
Still 👎🏻
What? #4 in sales??? How about Tesla Model Y ? It buried every other manufacturer EV sales in US... VW ID4... #5 in sales.😊
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No NACS = no go.
I will stick with my diesel thank you
Not in North America. And certainly not from VW.
Still not even close to a tesla. Solid EV tho
Got rid of my ID4. Don't buy this crap! It is like a train without railroads!!! And take a Tesla Y for a day from Herz - you'll see what I'm saying.
Here's the story: I had always been a fan of Germans, until I bought this shame of German car making. Germany has winter, but it is somehow not prepared for winter AT ALL:
1) we put winter tires from official dealership (Michelin tires mind you), and Anti-slip system started to engage whenever I am trying to accelerate. I WAS ALMOST HIT BY A TRUCK WHEN MERGING to a highway - the car DID NOT ACCELERATE!!!!! THIS IS INSANE!!! the dealership was trying to "dial in" some settings, they invited a VW rep - NO CHANGE. I ended up swapping my tires back to mid season.
2) and now, after the "dialing in" experiment the range at 100% battery load shows 210 miles. I brought it back to the dealership - they can do nothing about it.
3) no heat pump - goodbye range in the winter
4) charging is slow - max charging speed I saw when charging was 65 - 70 kW
5) finding a decent charger is a good luck experience - you have to drive off the highway and there is no guarantee there'll be an available stall that works... AWFUL. We are driving between Boston and NY often - a couple of times we merely made it back home even with a pit stop to recharge...
Result: Picked up my TY in March 2024. ID4 was such a waste of money. We paid 36K+ for a certified used ID4 a year ago and now trading in for 20K (VW offers me 19K and tries to sell a newer ID 4 - guess my reaction). DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY, IT IS A PIECE OF JUNK!
Tesla has a super reliable charging - it shows you how long to stay at what charger - and the network is SUPER RELIABLE!!!! After driving my TY for just 4 weeks - I forgot about ALL THE CARS I HAD PREVIOUSLY OWNED!!!
That is putting lipstick on a pig. VW really cheaped out with mediocre design and awful software.
A very underwhelming EV, belongs with the rest of them. Yawn, can we get these EPA restrictions removed please? I want more 6-800hp V8’s
Not on this earth.
It has got panoramic glass roof? Ooooh... how.... wonderful! In reality though - nobody ever gets ANY kind of use out of it. No, nobody looks up to the sky. Especially when driving. And No, it does not "allow in more light". You are already sitting in a tiny box with windows ALL around you. Yes, the same windows which you love so much to discuss how to tint the hell out of them( and I thought you wanted MORE light, huh?). But it does cost a lot though, making the car more expensive to build. And it does make your insurance to cost more too, as they do break, and when they break...oh boy, that is A LOT of $$$ to fix. So guess who will cover that risk - YOU will. And in summer, that glass rood allows in A LOT more heat, causing you to run AC more, causing loss of efficiency and loss of range.
So yeah, what's not to like about the idiotic full glass roof???
Incorrect, glass absolutely lets in more light. How could it not? In any event, I wouldn't order a glass roof because it glass. I'd order the sun roof because it opens. So I absolutely use my sun roof, especially in the Spring and Autumn. A sealed glass roof is useless to me.