Honestly this is one of the best guild guide videos I've seen. No one ever talks about what to do if you're starting off as a new player. It's extremely jarring when a guide tells you to "just use wowprogress" when all you've done before is LFR all the way up to even having completed normal before. Having your perspective as someone who started playing the game in BFA is amazing for people like me who has been an ultra casual since legion.
I've started playing 10 days ago and I managed to find a guild that I could start raiding with when SL is released :) Be honest in advance and sooner or later you will find a guild that is willing to take you and learn you stuff :)
@@egemenozan5641 you play US? If so we can chill. Though expect a lil awkward silence 🤣 but if you do want to be "internet friends let me know" my Twitter is @Barakielz1 dm me there, that goes to anyone in this comment section rofl.
This video is honestly the best take on this question Ive seen. As a GM, people who've clearly applied because we'd be a good fit, put the right amount of effort in and have a brain between their shoulders are what im looking for ;)
Less about achievement based jerks more about avoiding cringey 20 yr old edgelords that comprise a large portion of mythic raiding guilds. Mostly about the leader not being an edge lord as he will keep the edgelords silent while still having high performers.
I haven’t raided seriously since roughly MoP/WoD. I’m not a bad player and I’m no stranger to hard work. However, I’d be lying if I said I didn’t have crippling performance anxiety these days and I’m seriously dreading my return to raiding in my Shadowlands trial.
As a longtime raider since BC I can vouch for your methods as I usually follow the above with friends joining the game. It is also exactly how I got from resubbing after a 4 year break in May to getting my CE in August and now being back into a solid 2-day CE guild for Shadowlands! One extra tip would be to check out raid communities to get some quick mythic kills and logs when you hop into raiding mid tier. They are more fluid in their rosters so are easy to join with lower exp and easier to hop into a higher one before going for a guild.
Giacomo the integrity of the games playability is more important than “red and blue must hate each other!!!!!!!1!1!1!1!” even tho they work together basically every xpac
Jokes aside, choosing a populated faction on a high population server is pretty important if you want to maximize your choices. If you've made the mistake of going low pop alliance due to rp elements, your best chance is to reroll on a better server.
Growl i love you , i didn't know the existence of WoW analyzer and i always was trying to compare my self with better parses on a fight done on approx the same time and compare it, although it helped me figure out some mistakes during raid i didn't have the full view of it as diffrent stats and gear can blur the real issues by directly compering stuff. I love you and ur channel . Deff my favorite m+ and probbably wow youtuber.
I feel like there are more serious type people on Horde who mainly want to raid. Personally, I am a social player. I enjoy casual fun activities in WoW, and meeting new people. If you're looking for a social/casual guild, I think the Alliance is better. Just because your guild doesn't raid, doesn't mean it isn't a good guild. People are just interested in different things. I, luckily found a guild already. It's on a low population server, and honestly I've never considered going to a low pop server to find a guild, but it was a genius idea and I'm glad I did it. Sure, the auction house is a little messed up, but the kind people I've met and made friends with so far, makes it all worth it! Also, if you don't know where to look for a guild, try the wow forums, reddit, as well as the guild finder in game. Good Luck, everyone! See you in the Shadowlands!
As someone who's working on rebuilding their guild to do mythics this helped a little.
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I can absolutely relate to this and I can tell that this video is probably the best that could exist on the matter. Lemme explain: I've been playing since Vanilla on a server that used to be quite big and populated (RP/PvE/PvP), I have been in a guild that belongs to friends of my parents during BC all the way up to MoP then I made my own, pretty casual aswell, but then WoD came in and changed the realm to RP (removing PvE PvP tags) which made the realms absolutely empty even RP wise. Until now there was 2000 active alliance players for 400 active horde players (mostly roleplayers in horde while alliance had and still has an E-sport guild). Hopefully BFA brought like one week ago some server crossing, bringing five realms pretty empty aswell which means that we now at least have a few guilds ! This is where what Yumytv is true AF; I tried to look around guilds from those realms that were added, first through logs; then through raider io and then through chat, I finally managed to message the GM of a semi try hard guild 11/12 mythic nzoth named NoStress on EU. Those looking for guilds around, follow what he said because it's clearly going to help you out. Love ya' Growl.
The title really should have been "How to find a Mythic raiding guild". There are plenty of semi-serious heroic raiding guilds out there that don't just take anybody, aren't "social guilds" and expect you to bring food, flasks, pots, runes and your A-game to heroic raiding to clear the content in 1-2 weeks to then do farm runs, alt runs, achievement runs and some M+ and PvP on the side. I happen to raid in such a guild since the start of BfA. We're certainly not world beaters, nor are we trying to be (most of us have full-time jobs that would make it difficult to have more than 2 rather short raid evenings per week), but we are an actual "raiding guild", making the title of this video a bit misleading in my book.
Honestly, i only started playin wow srsly in 8.3. And they all were like, ye stick to us and we show you things. Problem was this ppl have been playing since ever, they havent steped up to modern gaming. Me coming from LoL, had an easy time catching up with the rather fast gameplay then the average "old" played. And about a month in I knew more then most of the ppl in the group. And there were some good players and i wanted to split them off to go for mythic, bit an asshole move, but i wanted to go for mythic, while they were doin NZ hc for the 10th time. Luckily someone in the group invited me for a tryout for another guild and i got in and got atleast to 10/12. Hyped for shadowland and love your vids dude
It would be perfect finding members that can really do what they are best to do, good thing Soulbound can sort out players based on their player profile.
I fraction and realm switched. Jumped into a friendly guild. They didn't do much though. Made a new friend and jumped into their guild and it turned out to be an amazing raiding guild. Got thrown into a raid the first night without even signing up for it or asking to join. Ended up being in the main core raiding group. We progressed fast and they made it fun. After each raid everyone paired off to run mythic + keys together. Now we are taking a break until shadowlands hits. We ended up running normal, heroic and mythic every week to help new players learn the mechanics and gear them so we could get two groups running. Sometimes a great raiding guild is just luck. lol
Nice, I'm my guild's raidleader and my avatar is Perry the Platypus from Phineas & Ferb. Making someone binge watch Phineas & Ferb is the most blessed thing I can think of right now. 10/10 wouldn't bench.
Hey yumytv, great video, but I definitely disagree with getting AOTC and multiple logs exclusively through pugs. My experience with pug raiding (and I think many others would agree) has been pretty miserable. There are lots of toxic people flaming each other, and half the raid quits after every pull. It's super inefficient for the amount of time spent. It sort of makes sense if you want to raid mythic ASAP, but I don't think that it's good advice for the majority of players to subject themselves to that situation. If you're new to WoW and want to raid, many AOTC guilds will accept people with no experience! Just follow growl's advice to get some logs in normal/LFR and you'll be fine. If you like raiding but want a more challenging experience, then you can always move up to a more serious guild.
thank you for this video ! I wanted to ask are you also doing heroic healing guides ? like a speed video going over the basic heal spikes etc :) love your videos !
I'm considering it, but there are so many other good creators that make guides for normal and heroic that chances are I will stick to mythic. I hope that the information from the mythic guides will be useful alongside any class specific videos I make as well.
Yeah Mythic guilds, especially those trying to get CE, are pretty sweaty. AotC is my personal bar for success, but depending on how fun raiding is in SL (Nyalotha was not fun at all due to Corruption RNG and the weird sanity mechanics) I may be interested in a Mythic raiding guild.
Basically it is. Let's say a mythic guild raids 7hrs a week, add on the same amount for weekly keys/char maintenance shit/emissaries etc. Then maybe a couple of hours of prep during progress. Can easily be ~15-20hrs a week you're expected to play the game to keep up. That's a part time job. Obviously not paid, but the 'payment' I guess could be analogous to getting the progress/loot you want etc. And obviously guilds want certain level players so they set out requirements for that.
I love your video! But god dang it does it honestly feel and sound like a full time job application. Idk if I want to deal with the intensity of this to just get in to play a game...
you can always raid heroic, still a lot of fun and less of a commitment, finding a friendly and good guild is more important than doing the hardest content in the game (as long as you don't want to be in the top)
Raiding always attracted me but the sheer amount of preparation and extreme selections to even be considered by a guild is about as daunting as a newbie trying to become a pro in a fighting game with no prior experience. Also assuming if I want to tank(have not mained a tank yet but planning on doing so next expansion) The demands are going to be stricter compared to DPS. It just sucks that Blizzard is seemingly making raiding the only late game option this time around. Raiding might not be for me XD
Good video. I also found my first mythic guild through trade chat. We were top 10 on a well populated server by the second tier. I took a long break though and need to find another and I didn't keep logs because I'm not a nerd lol.
The comment about a guild's healer "calling in sick" has me rolling my eyes. Hope hardcore raiders get paid by the hour if it's being treated like a job.
This seems to find some very hardcore guilds. I really just want to find some people that can get CE even if it is the last few weeks of the patch, no need to rush. Though my 6 years of experience and never stepping on mythic outside of group finder first few bosses might make it impossible for me to find a group
For the most part if a group is clearing CE last few weeks of a patch, that's still pretty hardcore. For example only around 1000 guilds cleared Azshara CE before 8.3. And for guilds within top1000, the advice in this video is probably the bare minimum .
@@tamer_dc It's different, Hardcore are people that do what it takes and use the best strats to get through it. For example if a shaman restoration is bad for a fight, they will not bring him to it. If you don't have an offspec or an alt as geared as your main then you don't get the spot, and need to min max everything, sockets on every item etc... That would be hardcore. I'm looking for a softcore, that people will try sticking with a weak class and not just look for the pumpers and best specs for the encounter and get through it. MAYBE change if it performing really badly.
@@CosmicGeckoBR No guild outside the top 50 or so is doing themselves any favors sitting a good player for a meta class. Every spec in the game will end up with some representation at the CE level. That said, if you're doing poorly *for your spec* and the folks you're raiding with are consistently doing better relative to their specs, you may need to start looking for folks further down the ranking list.
I don't like this. Not your video, but guilds in general. I cant stand how very similar it is to finding a job in real life, that is among my most hated things to do because I was stuck doing that for years on end even after college with a good GPA and relevant work experience. I hate every tiny, painstaking thing about looking for a guild, and I cant believe I am going to have to be cornered into doing raid content due to mythic+ changes if I want to be up to speed on gear. And it only gets worse from here because most guilds are a absolute fucking drag, just like a job you hate doing in real life. The competitiveness and tedium having to wipe to the same boss over, and over, and over, and in the end it all boils down to a unpleasant weekly chore. I actually like group content but when it's turned into a life-like scenario where things are super competitive and identical to job hunting, and the content itself feels like a chore, fuck that shit.
He said he has past experience with brood war... Individual skill requirements are WAY lower in WoW. I was a fairly high end brood war player, and it was pretty easy to be competitive in raiding when I joined wow.
@@fjdkfjdk interesting; i'd definitely say the hardest part of raiding is the long bouts of concentration and consistency required. And the lifestyle commitment.
honestly an amazing video, especially as someone who guild hopped before they found their right fit for current tier, and possibly looking for another guild to raid with in SL
I did not play in bfa and want to come back and get into mythic for SL. I don't have bfa logs but I do have good antorus logs. Will those be enough? I don't want to catch up in bfa just for logging
What about those people who do not Parse well but are the mechanically adept players who do good dmg but do the important mechanics for the team like orb running on Mythic Remnant in SoD or other similar examples where you lose your dmg uptime, healing uptime?
There is an unofficial recruitment discord server for NA? They have really good moderators and keeps everything clean and very organized for recruits and guilds
Feels like finding a good guild has become ridiculous. I understand that there should be requirements for accessing the hardest content of the game with the best loot, but it feels more like a job interview than anything else.
personally i would recommend searching for a heroic guild, mythic is where guilds are more hardcore and min max their classes and performance so it is kinda like a job, while heroic guilds are a lot more fun since they are more laid back (at least from my experience) and dont require as much work to get into, you can get in by just searching through the in game guild finder
you cant, unless you are 100% ok and the guild is 100% ok with you being a backup. Our guild had someone go from making both nights a week to only making one. We made it work, we like the guy and he is a great player. He understood bench time even when he was around and we tried to work him in so he would be useful and see raid time. Being able to adapt to new bosses in fractions of the time it takes to kill a boss will set you apart here. We could toss this guy in on a boss we had 100 pulls on and he would understand the entire idea of the fight in less than 10. He did his homework and it showed. From the perspective of an officer in this situation, i have a hard time believing a guild who doesnt know you would want to deal with this. It is a huge pain for officers to manage. Generally you have to have your foot in the door first, somehow someway.
Some guilds will offer sub-raiding roles where you will have to gear on your own time (via pugs) however when you have the opportunity to raid they will let you hop in.
If you don’t have previous logs, literally talk about past achievements to show you don’t suck. I’m a big dota player, and I’ve gotten 5k in the game. That’s a pretty tough achievement and shows I’m not a dum dum
Hey Growl, thanks for your content. Can you please on some video talk about Memory of the Mother Tree legendary for druid? or which legendries do you recommend to start on the expansion? Thanks :)
I'll definitely do some videos about choosing legendaries/covenants for the classes I play when the game is close to release. I just don't want to jump the gun since there are so many balance changes happening, so I'm waiting for now.
Just go on WoWProgress, look what Guilds in World 400-800 are looking for and add them as soon as possible. Talk to them in a respectfull way and explain. Most of them will invite you to the first HC ID for Testraid. Now is your time to shine. Look up Convenant and Class Changes, stat values and learn how to sim your gear correctly. If you wanna minmax, take best racial and get some makros done. Bind important stuff on Keybinds. Always have all consumables. Then learn your new rotation on a dummy. It is only Patchwork at this point but you get a feel and a idea of how you should play. This is how i got into a world 100 Guild when i started to raid "not so casually" anymore and it works for everyone. This video is good but there are 2 points that i dont agree with. 1. Dont use WoW Analyzer as your main Source to see how to improve cause it has many stuff wrong. For exemple, it gonna tell you to use your big CDs more often if you delay them for a boss mechanic. 2. Dont use Tradechat. It is very rare to find a good mythic raiding guild that is looking for members in tradechat. Otherwise awesome video and im happy we get more raiders in Shadowlands :)
As for the "serious business". Well, these players put a lot of time online and offline to clear these raids. It's very competitive. If a guild lets someone in and then they keep missing raids it could literally cause the guild to go under due to people jumping to another guild that doesn't "have roster problems". For example. I have two kids and have made an agreement with my spouse that I wouldn't do any scheduled game activities. I thought this was reasonable and I'm happy picking flowers and gathering metals. Now if they let me in, their guild would just Xpload!!!! :) Plus my skill coordination would make those raiders cry.
I hope new players reading this don't actually try to pug their AOTC. That's sending them straight into all the worst and most toxic parts of WoW. Some get lucky, but most normal rational people would just quit playing at that point.
Sadly I would love to Mythic raid, but have a job that is deadline-based. So many nights I "Suddenly" have to work late, and could not guarantee ALWAYS being able to attend. Immediately takes me out of the running.
How much weight do people put into having Cutting Edge on previous expansions? I barely played BFA because i thought it was kind of shit, but I have incredible logs and Cutting Edge for Emerald Nightmare.
@@vm8162 It's clearly not a carry run, it's half a dozen kills on every bosses with 90% logs on every single mythic boss, and a 96 and a 98 on Mythic Odyn and Guarm, it's just not the most recent expansion.
If you have good logs from old expansions it definitely gives you an edge - its hard to say I think it depends on the guild. Guilds who have been around longer will appreciate it more than new blood I think. It may take a tier with a lower rated guild to de-rust and get some recent logs and then you should be able to get right back up where you belong.
honestly wish there was more solo and small group hire tier content. I mean I know its an mmo. but tbh rather have the challenge in game not the challenge being finding a group.
Hey do you think I can join a mystic guild without raiding experience? I only do mythic+ (I got 4K score as Rdruid this season) and I do some mythic for claw but that's pretty much about it, I don't really feel confident doing it.
Do you feel like it has to be mythic or nothing? Because if you don't really have any raiding experience I would recommend starting out with HC just to understand how it works. I mean you can try to do what he said, with pugging and stuff as well, but I would try hc first. For me, I love Mythic raiding, but I don't want it to be too serious, so my guild does HC first, and then goes on to Mythic. We are serious, but not too serious, and that fits me better than a more hardcore mythic raid.
@@lilldea Hello, thanks for your reply. I do heroic at every tier and I want to do mythic for the gear that is required for m+. I do heroic HC every tier with pug without problem but pugging myhtic is another level. I don't want to be too serious neither because I don't play on a fixed schedule I think that's the biggest problem problem for me. I cannot see myself having to play the game 2-3 times a week for 3 hours every week at the same time.
@@Elriogranade aah ok, I misunderstood you as having no raiding experience. Yeah, I think you wouldn't have trouble joining a mythic guild, but as you said the biggest problem would probably be the time. Mythic guilds usually have very strict rules and schedules. My guild raids 3h, 2 times a week and that is the bare minimum to do anything in mythic I would say. The time is why I don't do more serious raiding. As usually guilds also have very strict rules and the higher up you go the more there usually is. Like not allowed to miss any raids or having to have geared and ready alts, and being expected to do more things outside of raiding. I don't know, maybe you could find a guild that could use you as an extra? But then you might not be able to raid when you want. Or try joining a 2 times a week guild for a tier on days that you could have time to play and see if you like it, you can always leave if it doesn't work out.
Yes you easily can with high score. Get good logs in H nathria while the mythic raiders still have the same gear and haven't ego boosted returning to heroic with mythic gear
Tradechat is terrible. Wowprogress was a giant waste of time. Found my guild on battlent LFG forums, and we've been best of friends and killed 0 bosses as we wait for SL.
You get a good guild in wow the same way you get a good job IRL. Rapidly apply for guilds that you have no qualifications for until someday says fuck it
No it's not, that's some NA small brain shit. My guild went from top 200 to top 80 world rank without requiring alts, just getting better players and wasting less time. Any guild outside top 100 that requires alts are a big avoid, they don't know what they are doing so they try to compensate by doing what WF guilds do.
@@kevinpedersen5290 hell no, BFA and Legion made a bunch of soft CE raiders. It was very common for top 800 and up, ESPECIALLY for CE raids to require multiple raid toons. Raid utility was especially vital, given the competitive advantage certain classes brought. Shadowlands is un pruning class abilities and raid buffs, which is a step towards requiring multiple toons. I used to raid in ICON and HIJ back in Cata and Mop both teams required 3 toons minimum, that was a base minimum to maximize efficiency on fights. There is now required classes and specs to have in your raid team to create a competitive advantage. It goes without saying sitting players out for ranged vs meele is another aspect to consider. While them being 2k is a bit absurd to request its incredibly disingenuous to brush off multiple toons as not a normal requirement. Give or take though you additionally don't know about their prior raid experience. I doubt many people on KJ remember HIJ or DNO gaming, but if either of the core raiders were to return with those requirements, we know full dam well they would be near the top on the realm. Also given EU's current dilemma and set back that mentality of EU > NA should go out the window bruh.
@@shadow6396 It's literally unnatural in the history of wow, for guilds outside top 200 to require alts. Any guild doing so outside the top 200 in any point in history of raiding, is a plebian guild. Then again, I don't care, I don't play in those scuffed brackets.
@@kevinpedersen5290 Not entirely sure what guilds you've been apart of. Requiring multiple toons for Competitive raiding is completely natural. Only recently in BFA and Legion has that "requirement" been shaken loose due to lack of emphasis on a rainbow raid. Regardless, SL is bringing back that focus onto rainbow raids, a 2 toon requirement is no where near absurd, especially for CE.
“Yeah we are 5/12 and we basically want a *full raid team sitting on the bench* so we can pick only the most *perfect* classes for Xanesh progression.” Oh boy, sign me up!!1!1! :’D
this is really late info, prepatch is most likely next week or at the lastest the following, trying to pug heroic BFA content to look for a guild this late is kinda pointless
I'm quite impressed, I would've never thought you started playing in BFA if you haven't said it. Hopefully SL will be a good experience for you, I feel kinda bad that you started on the worst expansion ever created in wow
i hate the state of the game so much. All u do is getting this shit ilvl up, i hated that from the start. "playing for fun? Nah, DPS DPS DPS DPS METER NOTHING ELSE COUNTS" god ... i hate this game for that. Sure, it prevents people with less gear to progress too quickly, but i still find the skill based gameplay better and amusing sometimes. To have an undergeared disc priest in Burning Crusade and still perform well? Not possible anymore.
Instructions unclear, just joined a RP furry guild
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@@MrSlaughterrific always abort if either the dad or the mom are flurries
Honestly this is one of the best guild guide videos I've seen. No one ever talks about what to do if you're starting off as a new player. It's extremely jarring when a guide tells you to "just use wowprogress" when all you've done before is LFR all the way up to even having completed normal before. Having your perspective as someone who started playing the game in BFA is amazing for people like me who has been an ultra casual since legion.
I've started playing 10 days ago and I managed to find a guild that I could start raiding with when SL is released :) Be honest in advance and sooner or later you will find a guild that is willing to take you and learn you stuff :)
Guide for socially awkward gamers who wanna be friends but have poorly developed internet social skills.
i need that guide asap
Need. NEED.
Same. Haven't had an in game friend that I played with since warlords.
Hey you 4 do you want to be my internet wow friends?
@@egemenozan5641 you play US? If so we can chill. Though expect a lil awkward silence 🤣 but if you do want to be "internet friends let me know" my Twitter is @Barakielz1 dm me there, that goes to anyone in this comment section rofl.
This video is honestly the best take on this question Ive seen. As a GM, people who've clearly applied because we'd be a good fit, put the right amount of effort in and have a brain between their shoulders are what im looking for ;)
find a guild that's not full of jerks, i'd rather be in a guild that wipes often but are all friendly ppl.
^^ this!
A guild who wipe often in mythic will eventually become jerks. Most people become a complete different person under stress.
Less about achievement based jerks more about avoiding cringey 20 yr old edgelords that comprise a large portion of mythic raiding guilds. Mostly about the leader not being an edge lord as he will keep the edgelords silent while still having high performers.
Wiping constantly sounds awful, I'd leave the guild no matter how nice they are, I don't have time to wipe all week.
I haven’t raided seriously since roughly MoP/WoD. I’m not a bad player and I’m no stranger to hard work. However, I’d be lying if I said I didn’t have crippling performance anxiety these days and I’m seriously dreading my return to raiding in my Shadowlands trial.
agreed - I hate when I can't perform as well.
@@BrandonMaldonado are you still talking about wow here? :p
As a longtime raider since BC I can vouch for your methods as I usually follow the above with friends joining the game.
It is also exactly how I got from resubbing after a 4 year break in May to getting my CE in August and now being back into a solid 2-day CE guild for Shadowlands!
One extra tip would be to check out raid communities to get some quick mythic kills and logs when you hop into raiding mid tier. They are more fluid in their rosters so are easy to join with lower exp and easier to hop into a higher one before going for a guild.
Step 1: Be horde in a populated server.
Can't wait until they do cross-faction PvE. It's getting ridiculous for Alliance in competitive content.
@@PsyrenXY Yep.. i'm playing on Alliance and also have a dh on horde, i wanna switch to horde for progress, but ppl in horde are so boring and toxic
@@PsyrenXY no no no no no no it will ruins wow
Giacomo the integrity of the games playability is more important than “red and blue must hate each other!!!!!!!1!1!1!1!” even tho they work together basically every xpac
Jokes aside, choosing a populated faction on a high population server is pretty important if you want to maximize your choices. If you've made the mistake of going low pop alliance due to rp elements, your best chance is to reroll on a better server.
Growl i love you , i didn't know the existence of WoW analyzer and i always was trying to compare my self with better parses on a fight done on approx the same time and compare it, although it helped me figure out some mistakes during raid i didn't have the full view of it as diffrent stats and gear can blur the real issues by directly compering stuff. I love you and ur channel . Deff my favorite m+ and probbably wow youtuber.
I feel like there are more serious type people on Horde who mainly want to raid. Personally, I am a social player. I enjoy casual fun activities in WoW, and meeting new people. If you're looking for a social/casual guild, I think the Alliance is better. Just because your guild doesn't raid, doesn't mean it isn't a good guild. People are just interested in different things. I, luckily found a guild already. It's on a low population server, and honestly I've never considered going to a low pop server to find a guild, but it was a genius idea and I'm glad I did it. Sure, the auction house is a little messed up, but the kind people I've met and made friends with so far, makes it all worth it!
Also, if you don't know where to look for a guild, try the wow forums, reddit, as well as the guild finder in game.
Good Luck, everyone! See you in the Shadowlands!
As someone who's working on rebuilding their guild to do mythics this helped a little.
I can absolutely relate to this and I can tell that this video is probably the best that could exist on the matter.
Lemme explain: I've been playing since Vanilla on a server that used to be quite big and populated (RP/PvE/PvP), I have been in a guild that belongs to friends of my parents during BC all the way up to MoP then I made my own, pretty casual aswell, but then WoD came in and changed the realm to RP (removing PvE PvP tags) which made the realms absolutely empty even RP wise.
Until now there was 2000 active alliance players for 400 active horde players (mostly roleplayers in horde while alliance had and still has an E-sport guild). Hopefully BFA brought like one week ago some server crossing, bringing five realms pretty empty aswell which means that we now at least have a few guilds !
This is where what Yumytv is true AF; I tried to look around guilds from those realms that were added, first through logs; then through raider io and then through chat, I finally managed to message the GM of a semi try hard guild 11/12 mythic nzoth named NoStress on EU.
Those looking for guilds around, follow what he said because it's clearly going to help you out.
Love ya' Growl.
The title really should have been "How to find a Mythic raiding guild". There are plenty of semi-serious heroic raiding guilds out there that don't just take anybody, aren't "social guilds" and expect you to bring food, flasks, pots, runes and your A-game to heroic raiding to clear the content in 1-2 weeks to then do farm runs, alt runs, achievement runs and some M+ and PvP on the side. I happen to raid in such a guild since the start of BfA. We're certainly not world beaters, nor are we trying to be (most of us have full-time jobs that would make it difficult to have more than 2 rather short raid evenings per week), but we are an actual "raiding guild", making the title of this video a bit misleading in my book.
The first line of the video does say this is how to find a mythic raiding guild to be fair.
@@Srilenbadger True, that's a good point. I did say the title was misleading, though, which is true, imho.
Honestly, i only started playin wow srsly in 8.3. And they all were like, ye stick to us and we show you things. Problem was this ppl have been playing since ever, they havent steped up to modern gaming. Me coming from LoL, had an easy time catching up with the rather fast gameplay then the average "old" played. And about a month in I knew more then most of the ppl in the group. And there were some good players and i wanted to split them off to go for mythic, bit an asshole move, but i wanted to go for mythic, while they were doin NZ hc for the 10th time. Luckily someone in the group invited me for a tryout for another guild and i got in and got atleast to 10/12. Hyped for shadowland and love your vids dude
It would be perfect finding members that can really do what they are best to do, good thing Soulbound can sort out players based on their player profile.
I fraction and realm switched. Jumped into a friendly guild. They didn't do much though. Made a new friend and jumped into their guild and it turned out to be an amazing raiding guild. Got thrown into a raid the first night without even signing up for it or asking to join. Ended up being in the main core raiding group. We progressed fast and they made it fun. After each raid everyone paired off to run mythic + keys together. Now we are taking a break until shadowlands hits. We ended up running normal, heroic and mythic every week to help new players learn the mechanics and gear them so we could get two groups running. Sometimes a great raiding guild is just luck. lol
Nice, I'm my guild's raidleader and my avatar is Perry the Platypus from Phineas & Ferb. Making someone binge watch Phineas & Ferb is the most blessed thing I can think of right now. 10/10 wouldn't bench.
Nothing says "casual approach to mythic raiding" as 3 raid nights and 2 mythic ready characters at 6/12M.
I just realized that I'm not a raider.
Such a good video that I've attached to my recruitment post ...
Hey yumytv, great video, but I definitely disagree with getting AOTC and multiple logs exclusively through pugs. My experience with pug raiding (and I think many others would agree) has been pretty miserable. There are lots of toxic people flaming each other, and half the raid quits after every pull. It's super inefficient for the amount of time spent. It sort of makes sense if you want to raid mythic ASAP, but I don't think that it's good advice for the majority of players to subject themselves to that situation.
If you're new to WoW and want to raid, many AOTC guilds will accept people with no experience! Just follow growl's advice to get some logs in normal/LFR and you'll be fine. If you like raiding but want a more challenging experience, then you can always move up to a more serious guild.
The quality of your videos is getting super good dude. Super helpful, keep up the good work.
thank you for this video ! I wanted to ask are you also doing heroic healing guides ? like a speed video going over the basic heal spikes etc :) love your videos !
I'm considering it, but there are so many other good creators that make guides for normal and heroic that chances are I will stick to mythic. I hope that the information from the mythic guides will be useful alongside any class specific videos I make as well.
Making this sound like a damn job application, next I will need to give them my social and 3 references.
It can definitely feel that way. If your not interested in mythic, Heroic will be much more laid back :)
@@Jseitz81 MT Classic and cleared up to BWL, think I am ready for a lil laid back raiding now.
Yeah Mythic guilds, especially those trying to get CE, are pretty sweaty. AotC is my personal bar for success, but depending on how fun raiding is in SL (Nyalotha was not fun at all due to Corruption RNG and the weird sanity mechanics) I may be interested in a Mythic raiding guild.
Basically it is. Let's say a mythic guild raids 7hrs a week, add on the same amount for weekly keys/char maintenance shit/emissaries etc. Then maybe a couple of hours of prep during progress. Can easily be ~15-20hrs a week you're expected to play the game to keep up. That's a part time job. Obviously not paid, but the 'payment' I guess could be analogous to getting the progress/loot you want etc. And obviously guilds want certain level players so they set out requirements for that.
@@RastaWayne-di4sj I aint no filthy casual.
I love your video! But god dang it does it honestly feel and sound like a full time job application. Idk if I want to deal with the intensity of this to just get in to play a game...
Then don’t raid?......
you can always raid heroic, still a lot of fun and less of a commitment, finding a friendly and good guild is more important than doing the hardest content in the game (as long as you don't want to be in the top)
Raiding always attracted me but the sheer amount of preparation and extreme selections to even be considered by a guild is about as daunting as a newbie trying to become a pro in a fighting game with no prior experience.
Also assuming if I want to tank(have not mained a tank yet but planning on doing so next expansion) The demands are going to be stricter compared to DPS.
It just sucks that Blizzard is seemingly making raiding the only late game option this time around.
Raiding might not be for me XD
With Shadowlands changes to the weekly chest, I think Blizzard tries to make raiding, mythic+ and pvp all equal in terms of gear
Step #1: Be Horde
Good video. I also found my first mythic guild through trade chat. We were top 10 on a well populated server by the second tier. I took a long break though and need to find another and I didn't keep logs because I'm not a nerd lol.
Growl, you are godsent =D I literaly had like no idea how to even get started and this is an excellent blueprint, thank you so much =)
Hi Growl! Just an FYI for everyone the guild mentioned (High Five) is no longer an active raiding guild on the sever. 😁
Great video. You always do a good job of emphasizing connections and how to make them
Been guildless for over a year. Thanks for the video
Go on forums and throw out your info until somebody trials you. It's super easy.
The comment about a guild's healer "calling in sick" has me rolling my eyes. Hope hardcore raiders get paid by the hour if it's being treated like a job.
growl your guides are owning big time
Dude this video is REALLY good! Thanks, Growl!
This seems to find some very hardcore guilds. I really just want to find some people that can get CE even if it is the last few weeks of the patch, no need to rush. Though my 6 years of experience and never stepping on mythic outside of group finder first few bosses might make it impossible for me to find a group
For the most part if a group is clearing CE last few weeks of a patch, that's still pretty hardcore. For example only around 1000 guilds cleared Azshara CE before 8.3. And for guilds within top1000, the advice in this video is probably the bare minimum .
@@tamer_dc It's different, Hardcore are people that do what it takes and use the best strats to get through it. For example if a shaman restoration is bad for a fight, they will not bring him to it. If you don't have an offspec or an alt as geared as your main then you don't get the spot, and need to min max everything, sockets on every item etc...
That would be hardcore.
I'm looking for a softcore, that people will try sticking with a weak class and not just look for the pumpers and best specs for the encounter and get through it. MAYBE change if it performing really badly.
@@CosmicGeckoBR No guild outside the top 50 or so is doing themselves any favors sitting a good player for a meta class. Every spec in the game will end up with some representation at the CE level. That said, if you're doing poorly *for your spec* and the folks you're raiding with are consistently doing better relative to their specs, you may need to start looking for folks further down the ranking list.
I don't like this.
Not your video, but guilds in general. I cant stand how very similar it is to finding a job in real life, that is among my most hated things to do because I was stuck doing that for years on end even after college with a good GPA and relevant work experience. I hate every tiny, painstaking thing about looking for a guild, and I cant believe I am going to have to be cornered into doing raid content due to mythic+ changes if I want to be up to speed on gear.
And it only gets worse from here because most guilds are a absolute fucking drag, just like a job you hate doing in real life. The competitiveness and tedium having to wipe to the same boss over, and over, and over, and in the end it all boils down to a unpleasant weekly chore.
I actually like group content but when it's turned into a life-like scenario where things are super competitive and identical to job hunting, and the content itself feels like a chore, fuck that shit.
Really funny on the "we don't want someone who sucks"
"Build a connection" advice is like Dating advice lol
First expansion mythic raider? that's actually legit impressive
I got to world 400 in my first raidtier
He said he has past experience with brood war... Individual skill requirements are WAY lower in WoW. I was a fairly high end brood war player, and it was pretty easy to be competitive in raiding when I joined wow.
@@fjdkfjdk interesting; i'd definitely say the hardest part of raiding is the long bouts of concentration and consistency required.
And the lifestyle commitment.
8acun hardest part in a bad expansion is finding a guild that doesn’t fall apart/have constant recruitment issues
I am becoming yumy fan and im glad
honestly an amazing video, especially as someone who guild hopped before they found their right fit for current tier, and possibly looking for another guild to raid with in SL
10/10 Channel ~ keep it up
I did not play in bfa and want to come back and get into mythic for SL. I don't have bfa logs but I do have good antorus logs. Will those be enough? I don't want to catch up in bfa just for logging
Great video as usual
What about those people who do not Parse well but are the mechanically adept players who do good dmg but do the important mechanics for the team like orb running on Mythic Remnant in SoD or other similar examples where you lose your dmg uptime, healing uptime?
We just get fucked and criticized for mid tier damage.
you forgote about one rule:
1. Check if your server and faction is populated well enough before trying to find that type of guild...
There is an unofficial recruitment discord server for NA? They have really good moderators and keeps everything clean and very organized for recruits and guilds
I mean that UI.....talking about good UI while having 2 castbars for yourself, I mean... :D Kappa
dont feed the troll
Feels like finding a good guild has become ridiculous.
I understand that there should be requirements for accessing the hardest content of the game with the best loot, but it feels more like a job interview than anything else.
personally i would recommend searching for a heroic guild, mythic is where guilds are more hardcore and min max their classes and performance so it is kinda like a job, while heroic guilds are a lot more fun since they are more laid back (at least from my experience) and dont require as much work to get into, you can get in by just searching through the in game guild finder
@@vm8162 Yeah I know and its probably what I am gonna do
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Now how do you do this if you work a rotating 12 hr shift schedule?
you can forget about wow and play diablo immortal
you cant, unless you are 100% ok and the guild is 100% ok with you being a backup. Our guild had someone go from making both nights a week to only making one. We made it work, we like the guy and he is a great player. He understood bench time even when he was around and we tried to work him in so he would be useful and see raid time.
Being able to adapt to new bosses in fractions of the time it takes to kill a boss will set you apart here. We could toss this guy in on a boss we had 100 pulls on and he would understand the entire idea of the fight in less than 10. He did his homework and it showed.
From the perspective of an officer in this situation, i have a hard time believing a guild who doesnt know you would want to deal with this. It is a huge pain for officers to manage. Generally you have to have your foot in the door first, somehow someway.
Some guilds will offer sub-raiding roles where you will have to gear on your own time (via pugs) however when you have the opportunity to raid they will let you hop in.
Bad advice, pugging is not the answer. Get in a guild and grow until you are a big fish in a small pond then advance.
so you cant raid you work shifts?
If you don’t have previous logs, literally talk about past achievements to show you don’t suck. I’m a big dota player, and I’ve gotten 5k in the game. That’s a pretty tough achievement and shows I’m not a dum dum
I'd be a bit wary of the analyzer. It's not always well set up for certain specs/fights.
Hey Growl, thanks for your content.
Can you please on some video talk about Memory of the Mother Tree legendary for druid? or which legendries do you recommend to start on the expansion?
Thanks :)
I'll definitely do some videos about choosing legendaries/covenants for the classes I play when the game is close to release. I just don't want to jump the gun since there are so many balance changes happening, so I'm waiting for now.
this is stupid fucking helpful, ty alot
I wanna raid mythic, I'm good enough for it, but my guildies are holding me and some friends back. I love my guild and don't want to leave.
Just go on WoWProgress, look what Guilds in World 400-800 are looking for and add them as soon as possible. Talk to them in a respectfull way and explain.
Most of them will invite you to the first HC ID for Testraid.
Now is your time to shine. Look up Convenant and Class Changes, stat values and learn how to sim your gear correctly. If you wanna minmax, take best racial and get some makros done.
Bind important stuff on Keybinds. Always have all consumables.
Then learn your new rotation on a dummy. It is only Patchwork at this point but you get a feel and a idea of how you should play.
This is how i got into a world 100 Guild when i started to raid "not so casually" anymore and it works for everyone.
This video is good but there are 2 points that i dont agree with.
1. Dont use WoW Analyzer as your main Source to see how to improve cause it has many stuff wrong. For exemple, it gonna tell you to use your big CDs more often if you delay them for a boss mechanic.
2. Dont use Tradechat. It is very rare to find a good mythic raiding guild that is looking for members in tradechat.
Otherwise awesome video and im happy we get more raiders in Shadowlands :)
As for the "serious business". Well, these players put a lot of time online and offline to clear these raids. It's very competitive. If a guild lets someone in and then they keep missing raids it could literally cause the guild to go under due to people jumping to another guild that doesn't "have roster problems". For example. I have two kids and have made an agreement with my spouse that I wouldn't do any scheduled game activities. I thought this was reasonable and I'm happy picking flowers and gathering metals. Now if they let me in, their guild would just Xpload!!!! :) Plus my skill coordination would make those raiders cry.
I hope new players reading this don't actually try to pug their AOTC. That's sending them straight into all the worst and most toxic parts of WoW. Some get lucky, but most normal rational people would just quit playing at that point.
It's like hes responding to my question in his last video.
Yea he is inside your mind
I mean he calls us friends, of course he responds to us :p
Guild Recruitment Discord is #1.
Sadly I would love to Mythic raid, but have a job that is deadline-based. So many nights I "Suddenly" have to work late, and could not guarantee ALWAYS being able to attend. Immediately takes me out of the running.
That sucks
No it doesn't just be top 3 dps in the guild. Pretend like you will have good attendance until you show you are top dps.
Simply pick a guild slightly worse than your skills so you can be top 5 dps. People could use this advice in dating too.
I can barely get inv to heroic pugs at 205 ilvl
How much weight do people put into having Cutting Edge on previous expansions? I barely played BFA because i thought it was kind of shit, but I have incredible logs and Cutting Edge for Emerald Nightmare.
it could help, but i doubt they care for that as much as how well you perform now, people can always buy carry runs.
@@vm8162 It's clearly not a carry run, it's half a dozen kills on every bosses with 90% logs on every single mythic boss, and a 96 and a 98 on Mythic Odyn and Guarm, it's just not the most recent expansion.
any history of CE gets your foot in the door.
If you have good logs from old expansions it definitely gives you an edge - its hard to say I think it depends on the guild. Guilds who have been around longer will appreciate it more than new blood I think. It may take a tier with a lower rated guild to de-rust and get some recent logs and then you should be able to get right back up where you belong.
but is mythic raiding worth it?
Bless the lord for forced personal loot for anyone who wasnt around during master loot
imagine how is the dude now that told Growl they're looking for ppl that didnt suck lol
Godzilla had a stroke while trying to read this and fucking died
this is great
honestly wish there was more solo and small group hire tier content. I mean I know its an mmo. but tbh rather have the challenge in game not the challenge being finding a group.
I got a german eye-drop ad at exacty 4:40 I think it wants to tell me something...
Basically this video is just Con the fuck outa whatever guild you join and dont suck.
Hey do you think I can join a mystic guild without raiding experience? I only do mythic+ (I got 4K score as Rdruid this season) and I do some mythic for claw but that's pretty much about it, I don't really feel confident doing it.
Do you feel like it has to be mythic or nothing? Because if you don't really have any raiding experience I would recommend starting out with HC just to understand how it works. I mean you can try to do what he said, with pugging and stuff as well, but I would try hc first. For me, I love Mythic raiding, but I don't want it to be too serious, so my guild does HC first, and then goes on to Mythic. We are serious, but not too serious, and that fits me better than a more hardcore mythic raid.
@@lilldea Hello, thanks for your reply. I do heroic at every tier and I want to do mythic for the gear that is required for m+. I do heroic HC every tier with pug without problem but pugging myhtic is another level. I don't want to be too serious neither because I don't play on a fixed schedule I think that's the biggest problem problem for me. I cannot see myself having to play the game 2-3 times a week for 3 hours every week at the same time.
@@Elriogranade aah ok, I misunderstood you as having no raiding experience. Yeah, I think you wouldn't have trouble joining a mythic guild, but as you said the biggest problem would probably be the time. Mythic guilds usually have very strict rules and schedules. My guild raids 3h, 2 times a week and that is the bare minimum to do anything in mythic I would say. The time is why I don't do more serious raiding. As usually guilds also have very strict rules and the higher up you go the more there usually is. Like not allowed to miss any raids or having to have geared and ready alts, and being expected to do more things outside of raiding. I don't know, maybe you could find a guild that could use you as an extra? But then you might not be able to raid when you want. Or try joining a 2 times a week guild for a tier on days that you could have time to play and see if you like it, you can always leave if it doesn't work out.
Yes you easily can with high score. Get good logs in H nathria while the mythic raiders still have the same gear and haven't ego boosted returning to heroic with mythic gear
I'm 6/10 mythic and cant find a mythic raiding guild :(
How to find non toxic M+ groups at 5+ that are ok with noobs and people who don't play 99% optimally?
Find people one by one among people you play with in pug.
Not like this US Horde KilJaeden. 4/12 Mythic. Recruiting/trialing all classes.
Tradechat is terrible. Wowprogress was a giant waste of time. Found my guild on battlent LFG forums, and we've been best of friends and killed 0 bosses as we wait for SL.
little to no rl allowed
Anyone have a Silvermoon eu raiding guild that needs a resto Druid?
In summary, treat WOW mythic raiding as you would treat your real-life job.
You get a good guild in wow the same way you get a good job IRL. Rapidly apply for guilds that you have no qualifications for until someday says fuck it
I need your monks WA group it's so crisp.
Not yet vut I'll do
yo yumy what is ur rank is dota2? :) im divine 4
I think I averaged around 5k MMR at my highest although this was at least 5 or 6 years ago so I'm washed now.
@@yumytv very cool
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Super helpful since I am a raid pepega
rank 2000 guilds that require you to have alts are a big no go, avoid them at all cost. Any guild outside top 100 that requires alts is bonkers.
top 800 in US typically requires alts for competitive raiding that's a normal aspect.
No it's not, that's some NA small brain shit. My guild went from top 200 to top 80 world rank without requiring alts, just getting better players and wasting less time.
Any guild outside top 100 that requires alts are a big avoid, they don't know what they are doing so they try to compensate by doing what WF guilds do.
@@kevinpedersen5290 hell no, BFA and Legion made a bunch of soft CE raiders. It was very common for top 800 and up, ESPECIALLY for CE raids to require multiple raid toons. Raid utility was especially vital, given the competitive advantage certain classes brought. Shadowlands is un pruning class abilities and raid buffs, which is a step towards requiring multiple toons. I used to raid in ICON and HIJ back in Cata and Mop both teams required 3 toons minimum, that was a base minimum to maximize efficiency on fights. There is now required classes and specs to have in your raid team to create a competitive advantage. It goes without saying sitting players out for ranged vs meele is another aspect to consider. While them being 2k is a bit absurd to request its incredibly disingenuous to brush off multiple toons as not a normal requirement. Give or take though you additionally don't know about their prior raid experience. I doubt many people on KJ remember HIJ or DNO gaming, but if either of the core raiders were to return with those requirements, we know full dam well they would be near the top on the realm. Also given EU's current dilemma and set back that mentality of EU > NA should go out the window bruh.
@@shadow6396 It's literally unnatural in the history of wow, for guilds outside top 200 to require alts. Any guild doing so outside the top 200 in any point in history of raiding, is a plebian guild.
Then again, I don't care, I don't play in those scuffed brackets.
@@kevinpedersen5290 Not entirely sure what guilds you've been apart of. Requiring multiple toons for Competitive raiding is completely natural. Only recently in BFA and Legion has that "requirement" been shaken loose due to lack of emphasis on a rainbow raid. Regardless, SL is bringing back that focus onto rainbow raids, a 2 toon requirement is no where near absurd, especially for CE.
How do I make good Logs with 450 Gear, asking for a friend?
learn your class/spec more then go for heroic raid and m+ gear to pump it up to atleast 470ish, then try to do good logs
@@Jokerer5 Sure I'll do that in 3 weeks Kappa I don't need to learn my class I have 300 Days played.
With how late in ti the xpac we are and the grind needed to parse thanks to borrowed power, you have absolutely no chance.
Wait for SL and get logs heroic nathria
ima just pay some nerds again.
5/12 guild wanting 3 chars wtf is going on these guys are crazy I just read there Progress thingy and man, dont join such a guild...
LOL right?
“Yeah we are 5/12 and we basically want a *full raid team sitting on the bench* so we can pick only the most *perfect* classes for Xanesh progression.” Oh boy, sign me up!!1!1! :’D
Lol so first step is to get carried thru AOTC...why not just buy AOTC and save yourself hours of raiding?
Because when you trial, you will fail without the experience.
Rule #1 get gild parces rule #2 be good.
Hmmm. I have no skill. Such is life.
I mostly clicked because my shirts are feeling tight from my gains and i was bored, but ok bro.
this is really late info, prepatch is most likely next week or at the lastest the following, trying to pug heroic BFA content to look for a guild this late is kinda pointless
"weeb bodies" :D
I'm quite impressed, I would've never thought you started playing in BFA if you haven't said it.
Hopefully SL will be a good experience for you, I feel kinda bad that you started on the worst expansion ever created in wow
But you said he started in BFA not WOD
i hate the state of the game so much.
All u do is getting this shit ilvl up, i hated that from the start.
"playing for fun? Nah, DPS DPS DPS DPS METER NOTHING ELSE COUNTS"
god ... i hate this game for that. Sure, it prevents people with less gear to progress too quickly, but i still find the skill based gameplay better and amusing sometimes.
To have an undergeared disc priest in Burning Crusade and still perform well? Not possible anymore.
Thats only for lower range guilds. Prog guilds care less about parsing than they do about not dieing to mechanics.
Shadowlands is just around the corner?? no its not... TBA