The future of Warhammer Horus Heresy
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- Now is about the time when the guys at GW will start thinking about the Horus Heresy and how to mess it up. So I thought I would get this one in early, and try to start a conversation. But what do you think of the game system and what would you change?
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Since I started playing Heresy, I have made "my own" praetor, He has his own backstory. I mean, he nothing really great. He's just a praetor with a wargear combo that anyone else could take. But HES MINE. I designed him that way. I gave him a back story. (He leads an assault company of Death Guard under Calas Typhon's great company). I feel like I have ownership of my force and how I design it. On that note, the ability to still kitbash models is big for me and our gaming group. The ability to do that in standard 40k is becoming more limited with the release of more monopose models (among many more flaws). For me HH is like the wild west of kitbashing infantry models and I absolutely love it.
I did the same with my emperors children champion.
feels like good ol days of 40k. nice
My biggest hope for HH is that GE leave the rules alone and don’t touch them. One vote for no new edition please, just release more models we need and they’ll make plenty of money
Love the no cp rerolls, no constant rules changes and the ability to convert my models.
I've given my legion my own flavour and created a story for it.
What I would love is more plastic kits (looking at javelin and og land speeder), quicker releases (not sharing horus heresy Thursday with epic releases).
Rules for the knights errant.
More character releases (Nykona Sharrowkyn, Revuel Arvida)
Mk4 and 5 plastic
Id like to see more stuff for the other factions in the game. The number of people (me included for a long time) that avoid heresy because of all the marine focus is so high. Oooh Id also like to see some skitarii added to the mechanicum.
Horus Heresy - Siege of Terra - city fight rules.
Plastic Breachers and despoilers in the box (painted as IF and WE)…. Throw in a couple of rhinos and a leviathan and it’s a good complimentary box to the current age of darkness box
I like this idea a lot
I remember when you said Horus Heresy should have the same rule set as 9th edition lol. Good job they didn't go that direction!
I was wrong. I was so wrong.
I've been planning an Ultramarine Heresy army for years, but I need plastic breachers!
"Well, lets add some xenos."
"Yeah, and a mission deck, with points!"
"YEAH! Maybe each legion gets it's own liber?"
"YEAH! How about some big tournaments, so we can see what the competitive players are taking."
"YEAH! Then we can use that to 'balance' the game!"
"YEAH! Then we can throw all this shit in the trash every 2.5 years and sell them everything again!"
"OOOH! PRIMARIS IN HERESY?!"
"YEAH. MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY!"
You know it's coming.
Heresy has its own dev team. They would never allow that.
I love HH. I sold off almost all of my 40k stuff to fund my HH and Legions stuff. I came into the hobby during 7th and havent enjoyed 40k since they did the big chances from that.
Like the artist in the Fulgrim book (paraphrased); Its is the imperfections that make the art perfect
I really believe that heresy and old world is the answer gw has given because of all the backlash to all the rules changes for 40K and aos, I really believe they won’t faq the hell out of this game because 40K exists and it’s a specialist game
Absolutely spot on. My entire gaming group has changed to HH. Mainly because we are all grown asse adults with jobs, friends, families and lots of interests. It takes a few years for us to get an army ready. This might be the first time in 20 years there is a real chance I will actually finish painting my army! There is still lots of opportunity for plastic kits, and with the slow and steady release schedule I don't think they will change it for a good few years yet. There may be some FAQ's, but no real changes.
I also love how for some legions , the specific rites of war combine really well their style of fighting, especially when adding in certain characters etc.
Hey Winters. I am seeing a split in our GW player base (and I am old having played since '92) - there are the fixed systems and lists (HH and Old World) and then there are the "live" games (40k and AOS) where you chase the Meta even as a casual player. Then you have the Specialist Games like Legion Imperialis (which as an old Epic player I absolutely love) and even Warmaster which is having a rebirth in Australia through the fan-based Warmaster Revolution. So yes, FAQs and Erratas are good for these "fixed" and "specialist" games, please understand the audience and keep the rules and lists as they are, and narrative based.
Once plastic Mechanicum drops there's gonna be a bunch of ad mech players jumping ship that're salivating over the 30k range while being told "tough luck buddy, be happy with your stilts guy".
It's the rules that's really selling me on it though, 10th edition is basically just tabletop XCOM with a 40k skin and, while that can be a lot of fun, it's just not what got players like me to fall in love with the game.
At least 40K Admech can have some love in 30k.
Model-wise, main things should be plastic troops and legion praetors for all legions. Despoilers in particular are a key part of several legions, breachers add so much flavour to a list, recon marines are very popular this edition. We've still got 5 legions without praetors (Iron Warriors, Salamanders, Raven Guard, World Eaters, Iron Hands).
I would much rather GW do a good errata rather than a new edition, there are lots of things I would change about the game but a new edition would just have different problems.
Was with you tight up until xenos, no, just no. The rule set works well because of the limited factions, add more factions and god only knows where it ends.
The panoptica xenos seem to work fine to me. Ironically HH seems to have taken a lot of stuff from xenos in old 40k editions, dreadnoughts work like Tau battlesuits did. You’ve got the antigrav bikes and vehicles like the eldar. All of those seem to work fine so I don’t see why giving them a xenos skin would suddenly change the game.
Not to mention many xenos races were said to have used the Heresy to launch counterinvasions and retake territory or raid humans, one of the examples of blackshields in their rulebook for you to use literally talks about groups that abandoned the heresy to go fight xeno despite that being unavailable in the rules, and finally a make your own xenos faction like the militia book would be so awesome and open up some really cool kitbashes. Tell me it wouldn’t be cool to see the laer on the tabletop
@@sturm9087 hi, I don't massivly disagree with any of the points you make there to be honest, but, the Heresy setting is primarily about the war between humanity, space marine vs space marine, brother vs brother.
While including orks may tick the box to get extra people involved, and it may not break the core mechanics of the rules set (though we know GW will introduce power creep to sell the new codex/models that will come with it), for me personally its not about orks or any other race, its about space marines. Other races, such as the Lear and mega arachnids sound freaking cool, but in this setting they are a footnote a support act to main event.
I've played HH for years now, and it hasn't got boring for me, great units, great characters, and generally great rules etc.
I would much rather see an effort to release more armour mks in plastic as well as core squads as mentioned in the video.
In a nutshell, I don't want the Horus Heresy to become Warhammer 30K.
Tbh, I want HH3.0 to be exactly like HH1.0 only with fixes for Psychic powers.
Vehicles need a major boost and the Reactions system needs a massive overhaul.
Right now all I'm hoping for is Sisters of Silence models released. My favourite army has one 5 model box, one forge world character, and one 150€ transport
GW: "so, what you want is a complete new ruleset, tournament friendly, updated every two months, no new plastic troops AND a range wide price increase!? You got it, lads. Much love."
I can't even imagine how people can still even play current edition 40k from a rules perspective, it's depressing.
My friends and I never jumped ship. We still play 1.0. Yes the detachments were a blight, but 7th ed still is the most in depth wargame engine available. I get a lot of players prefer the simplicity of say 3rd ed. But it lacked the customisation and flavour that makes later editions so beloved.
@@jamesespinosa690my group still plays 7th edition too. Mostly because you can play more armies than just humans and the imperial guard aren’t treated like a joke faction like the militia are in HH2.0
@@sturm9087 Sorry, i was talking about 40k my b
@@funnycreature2331 Oh thats kinda what I thought you meant tbh. My group plays 7th edition since it allows the xenos armies and 40k specific imperium ones while still allowing us to use the Heresy style rules. We’ve been looking at playing some heresy with the panoptica rules though
@@sturm9087 My best friend is a Guardsmen at heart and it kills us to see what they did to them in 2.0. The balance is wack. The Guard in my opinion have always been strong against non net list marines, no matter the edition. Marines need their legion tactics in order to become point efficient, while the guard have always just been point efficient from the get go. Now they are just poop.
Wouldn’t mind seeing the “Go to Ground” rule again
Id be interested to hear why you think 2nd ed is so great. The rules are beyond unbalanced, with some units having so many issues you have to wonder if they did any playtesting at all. Look at the fulgrim transcended book and rules for proof of this. Reactions are also one of the most broken parts of the rules, I like the idea of it, but they are so easily abused. The models arent going out of stock because so many people are buying them (although Im sure that sales are high), its because gw cannot correctly manage a production schedule and storage. If they could, they wouldnt do mass culls of all the different ranges. The model release schedule has been an absolute joke, still no plastic breachers, no preators for Iron warriors, salamanders raven guard etc while sons of horus have more than some legions combined. I love horus heresy, and I am having a relatively good time playing it, but I struggle to see objectively how 2.0 has been well done. Everything good about heresy right now is because of what Alan Bligh and the team did in 1.0
Why do i think it's great? Because I'm having a relatively good time playing it.
@@wintersSEO fair enough!
The reactions are excellent, they keep you involved in your opponents turn. I've had 30+ games and it's just good fun all round.
@@padanfain7466 I think they are a fun idea but they aren’t balanced. Conceptually it’s great but in practice I think it falls flat
@heresyhobbyist in practice they are what makes the game. My gaming group is having plenty of games and they are close fought and fun games. I honestly think it's the best warhammer rules we have ever had and I've been playing since 3rd edition 40k. How many games have you had of the game to make that assessment? What legion/army do u play/are you up against?
Th fans have done a fantastic job of coving the Xeno races rules wise. Orks and Eldar are pretty must 100% finished by various groups, all very good and fluffy. Would be nice to see GW's take on it though.
I stopped playing 40k after starting in 8th, as it was insane the number of rules changes. Heresy is a nice steady platform, i can build an army, i can build lore for my group, and i can tell a story with every battle. It also helps i can leave the game for a few months, come back and still pick up and play without issue.
Moving to a 40k style release/rebalance system would kill Heresy for me 100%. Heres to hoping against hope they don't move in that direction.
I must say, I have had more fun with Heresy than I thought I would. The depth of the armies, even though it is primarily Marine versus Marine, is surprising. I would like to see more balance between weapon options and I personally think Dreadnoughts need something of a nerf as they seem too powerful.
Ullanor, Orks and the Luna Wolves would be great. Then when everyone has gone home you can set up a victory parade!
Flatten your gaming table and march across it!
I think they could've made a book called legiones astartes which was universal rites of war and the generic units including the ones from the pdf. Then their could be a book for loyalists or traitors where they fleshed them out more with more unique wargear, rites of war, specialist units and named characters
Agreed. I'd like to see love spread across the legions a bit better. Sometimes it does feel like haves vs have nots.
Another edition treadmill will be the end of 30k for me. It has already killed my interest in 40k.
Macca from the Outer Circle would like to have a word with you about the quality of rules in 2.0. Look, I love the system a lot, especially when compared to 40K 10th Ed. But there are some very blatant rules for writing problems. Characters who should not be at the same point cost are special legion units that have anti-synergies, and the Raven Guard's Legion trait is practically nonexistent when compared to the Imperial Fists. There are severe and noticeable balancing issues across the board and, unfortunately, blast and template weapons are kinda just...bad. Then, there's the ever-prevalent problem of the Contemptor Dreadnaughts.
Unless there's been a boatload of changes that I've somehow missed, I retain that the Horus Heresy really could've used a balance patch of some kind, or just more people reviewing the rules and making sure things are fair and balanced because...yeah, they weren't, not at all.
2.0 suffers the "Death by a Thousand Cuts" and it's a shame. If they would just iron out the wrinkles and buffer the scratches, it could be perfect.
You can have great balance and terrible rules and you can have terrible balance and great rules and the Heresy core rules are pretty darn sweet. The balancing act, in a system with Titans and Primarchs and Erebus, is bound to upset a few people because Erebus exists. Points can be changed in the next edition to better balance things, but I'd rather they didn't burn down the core rules - which I'm rather afraid they might do - and which was kinda the point of the video.
Honestly I wouldn’t mind the bad balancing if it didn’t feel like every change was made to ruin militia. They got the short end of the stick in pretty much every possible way by having their artillery and tanks heavily nerfed, being limited on the stuff they can bring like vehicle squadrons unless they use their army rule to get them back, losing access to many unit entirely like the macharius + baneblade variants + thunderers etc, and just nonsensical points costs like militia fire support squads somehow being MORE expensive than space marine heavy support squads.
I honestly cannot understand how the Heresy rules writers somehow thought it made sense to look at a militiaman with a lascannon and a space marine with a lascannon and decide the space marine should be the cheaper one. Not to mention the militia and third line army rules that literally just make the army worse. Its hard to have sympathy for the legions with bad traits cause at least your traits don’t actively make your units weaker.
@@wintersSEO Alright. I get that. I wouldn't want GW to throw the baby out with the bathwater, either.
I just want more plastic infantry! Destroyers, Recon, and Breechers, for example.
If they did Xenos the way they did Daemons... I could see that happening, so people can make their own aliens or create the existing stuff with the rules, and offer that variety, story telling aspect to it. I think that could work.
What Xenos are featured in the Heresy? The orks stop being a concern after Ullanor, the Eldar are all but disappeared, and the Necrons havent awoken and the Nids wont exist for 12 thousand years.
@@jaworski105 It's not quite so black and white. The narrative is open enough to depict incursions of various xenos, which happens in some books. Eldar, Orks, Megarachnids are just a few to mention that were in the books. The extent of said books is not the limit of the narrative, that is right down to the individual themselves. The idea is to let people make up their own, just like they can make up their daemons, you know, for fun.
New thing that would be cool would be a lot more emphasis on the mortals of the setting, and a more sensible reaction system for interaction. A few things like monstrous-creature dreads/speeders just need to be rolled back tbh.
They've never found a good response to the AP/Sv issue for heresy, and my biggest change would just be to go to the fantasy system where AP modifies armour saves but your invuln is taken as well as the armour rather than in place of.
I've lost interest in 40k as I don't like the direction it's taken. I love 30k and if they cleaned up the main rules a little and set the main rule books up better I'd be happy with just this set. Now I would like to see the rules for the Solar Auxilia and the Militia to be competitive and not the spam mess they are now. I love those armies and right now there is no drive for me to buy them. Otherwise everything you said is on point!
I really hope the Edition isn't changing next year, However i think they should release an updated, more user friendly Rulebook and very substantial Faq and Errata in the book/free to download (including a full pass on points costs e.g not costing dreads the same as when they were 'Walkers' and got popped by a stiff breeze) next year.
I think the Xenos thing is tricky right now and bring Heresy the same issues plaguing Old World because people subbing in existing armies from other systems on mass leaves GW in a really tricky spot (i know defending the huge Corpo etc). They had to drop Old World despite it being hotter than a ghost pepper in a neutron star because they had a new edition of AoS to launch. However i think Xenos are going to appear eventually.
I think the 'Age of Darkness' rules should only get a new edition with a new setting, 'Age of Darkness: Badab', 'Age of Darkness: Armageddon', 'Age of Darkness: Apostasy' etc, and ALWAYs retain the 3rd-7th Ed. (WS/BS/AV, +(x)pts per model) core 'engine'. They could then branch out with supplements, This edition would wrap up with Siege of Terra, but i think it would be cool if the expansion books should be uncoupled from the core rules and present new smaller settings, for example the first string of expansion books would be for Heresy, despite entering the 'Badab' era (Badab would act as a great 'Interim edition'), 'Visions of Heresy: The Scouring', 'Visons of Heresy: The great Crusade (The first Xenos rules introduced)', then move on.
just needs abit of balance in the factions between marines vs non marines armies ... perhaps look at contemptor stat lines to bring them inline abit for other factions .
I think if they dumbed the rules to 40k / aos levels it would prob kill the game for many HH players
I would love to play my orks in heresy but I am cautious that at this point the game then is becoming a lore driven 40k spin off as such ... and will start encroaching ... plus the orks in heresy era were ,much more powerful than the 40k era ones its seems in general ...good idea but not sure if it would be something healthy for the game in long run ... on other hand it could totally attract more 40k casual players into the game system which is a win .
id really like to see them though the balance the army books .. mechanicum/solar auxilia/ militia etc need abit of love with more power to help them out abit more .. or they need to dumb down marines somewhat which I dont think would be the best idea ..
You hit the nail on the head. If GW just follows that they'll have another hit on their hands. Between this, Kill Team and Old World the specialist studio is killing it.
What I want in 30k:
1) No crazed carousel from 40k with constantly changing rules.
2) Rule support for xenos - having a constant power armour fest on the table is exhausting and was always exhausting
3) I would like my army list book to be slimmer. If I wanted to slaughter somebody with a brick, I would go outside and get a brick.
4) Slightly more love for tanks and other vehicles.
5) And yeah, my bitz box is HUGE, but it would be smart to release breacher/despoiler upgrade sprues. It is silly at this point in type.
Horus Heresy noob here. I totally agree. Don’t change the rules! It’s already amazing! Plus, I still haven’t got the hang of it.
Watching this as I am finally building my first 30k army. Got into the lore and hobby about two years ago because of 30k Fists, then got distracted as friends got into 40K. Cannot wait to have my army built and painted so I can try out Heresy.
Wish I shared people’s faith in GW’s not messing with Age of Darkness.
Of course they are going to change everything just to milk us for more money for the books.
There are a legion of writers, artists and sculptors trying to make the best gaming experience possible. Then there are the “suits” in the front office simply trying to milk every coin they can out of the fan base.
No those people are the problem
Started in 8th loved it, then 9th came and I was a little annoyed but it was bearable, then 10th came out and I checked out completely.
This year I got into HH and I am a happy camper. Loving it. A proper war game with direct ties to the lore I love.
I feel as long as Heresy stays away from the competitive scene it will be fine . I am not a fan of it,but I hope it stays away from tournaments.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I definitely prefer resin. I like how few components there are, where the seams are, how detailed they are, and the weight of them. I have 40 breachers and I’m going to cry when they disappear from resin (I want more 😂)
I just pray to Omnissiah that HH will not become 40k which became very boring for me rules and constant updates wise. Give us plastic models, tweek rules a bit but I love libers that do not get changed every few months.
There are definitely a few changes needed:
- Vehicle damage table is terrible and they blow up to easily.
- Knights are terrible (no brutal?)
- Custodes die too easily (6++ is next to useless), their weapons are incredibly short range, Telemon's are an over-costed a joke, etc.
- Custodes have no rites of war at all.
- Legion-specific terminators should all be WS5
- Something should change with objective control as Line units often die too easily and most games end up being just kill-counting in the end
I will say of all the things I hope NEVER makes its way into Heresy are actions and the card-based system like we have for competitive 40K. Also, no strats or CP.
Isn't being a Terminator a form of punishment for White Scars rather than a promotion?
Aren’t custodes one of the most powerful armies in 2.0 though?
@@sturm9087 I have about 10K points of them and they’re not that great. But admittedly, I do play against a lot of Mechanicum locally, which has a ton of AP2 shooting. I don’t get to play them into marines too often.
@@knoxminis1211 I’ve only seen them like twice and once was against demons which they cut through like butter so that really shaped my opinion of them. The other was solar auxilia and I bet you can guess how that went. I’m sure mechanicum probably plays better into them with all their robots.
@@sturm9087 Yeah, if you can shoot Custodes with AP2 before they make it into combat, there’s not much they can do. I mean that applies to other armies as well of course. Custodes rules are a tad boring too. No rites of war.
I think the constant changes around 40K are purely for the competitive side, as long as you don't have a tournament scene with Horus you are safe.
My son and I recently began playing HH. We love it. Less gotcha moments than 40k. Reactions are brilliant. Game play decisions determine the outcomes, less so than list building. Bad dice roll? Too bad. No command point spends for rerolls.
Love your Horus Heresy battle reports, hope you keep them coming, it’s far better than 40K.
Here here. Love playing horus heresy. I would add more missions.
Really would love to see a Tallarn campaign book with Forrix and generic warsmith models released for Iron Warriors.
Also more plastic things...
i love horus heresy but hate how i have to get into a lot of custom casting / kit bashing just to have lore accurate armies. i love the historical significance of this wargame tho
Another great game from GW is The Old World. You should try it if you like HH
Only things that need changing imo is get rid of sunder (makes tanks much more survivable) no more brutal and change intercept reactions.
The libre panoptica peeps already wrote some xenos rules so it would be sweet to see those included officially 😊
I’m almost done with my ec army and I’m waiting for the phoenix terminators and kakophoni squad to be in stock
The Liber team making the Panoptica rules and so on are amazing! They really took HH2.0 to the next level and in a great way!
Panoptica is bloated as **** though, and includes a looot of unbalanced things. Nobody I know still play with it...
@@TheExcessus That’s interesting. I have found my friends and I enjoy it quite a bit. Sorry you don’t like it much.
@@TheExcessusI’m guessing you also don’t know a single person that plays militia or maybe even solar auxilia as their main army then. I can’t tell you the last time I’ve seen a battlecannon before picking up panoptica which is ironic seeing as thats the standard and most common gun in the lore. Besides as long as you’re only using the stat and rule changes and not the new army lists/units I don’t see how it could be bloated.
Can't disagree with anything you said. Apply for CEO of GW now mate ;-)
It needs an faq/ bit of a fix for the 2-3 main issues but that's it.
Generally agree with everything you said.
Breachers,recon,despoiler, ccw sprues, javelin/ Sabres/ etc.
I'd love a black book for crusade / pre heresy with orks / eldar in
My Alpharius and Alpha Legion specific components all just arrived, so hype for Heresy as a first timer
Adding xenos to Horus Heresy is like adding Japanese to an American civil war game. Horus Heresy is about a 10 years ish period of time in 40,000, where there was an imperial civil war. It’s not, contrary to popular belief, about the wider events in M31. Horus Heresy != 30k. If marines, solar or mech are not your thing, no problem HH may not be for you. If you want to recreate xenos event in 30k time, use limited 40K lists. If GW keep focused on battles and events of the Heresy I’ll keep buying, but I’m not interested in doing 10 progressively worse editions like 40K.
Womp womp. I want to see laer on the tabletop, if that means expanding Heresy to include the great crusade I’m all for it. They’re more interesting than the same old bland marine armies as well
Xenos had a small presence in the era so you are wrong. At least Orks and Eldar would be in the place, Necrons if you would be extremely generous
@@Wilczan Clearly you didn't read what I wrote. Try again. Horus Heresy is an event not an era. Sure xeno races exisited but there were no major battles between the Imperium and those Xenos races after the heresy started. The Orks were all but wiped out after the Ullanor Crusade (before the Heresy), the Eldar were still dealing with the aftermath of Slanesh/the fall and the imperium was distracted - too busy to fight xeno as they were busy fighting themselves. This is what allowed those races to recover and reemerge in the galaxy as detailed in the stories like war of the beast AFTER the Horus Heresy (by like 500 years). Horus Heresy is a game about the Imperial Civil war, not the 30th Millennium as a whole. When GW makes a Great Scouring game or a Warhammer 30k game then Xenos makes sense - but it makes no narative sense for xenos in Horus Heresy because they just watched and were were not involved. ** you could argue that Eldrad did more than watch - but he certainly wasn't leading armies to shape the galaxy until after the Heresy.
@@sturm9087 I actually wouldn't mind a great crusade game, then Xenos would make sense - even though most of the encounters are humans of some sort or another. But that game would be different from Horus Heresy - a lot of the technology and special units in HH wouldn't exisit yet; Legions would become more similar but xeno races would be more fitting.
@@christopherm4510 and you are wrong yet again. I said they had a small presence during the Era and they did. Moreso Eldar, like during the events of Fulgrim Ascension but Orks were still present in Chondax during the opening of Horus Heresy. Besides, its not about some misguided idea of Era purism, byt rather about giving xenos players option to play something other than 40k and to diversify playing field of 30k.
@winters SEO , have you ever looked into the Liber Panoptica rules set? community made update that adds everything from tweaks, missing units, to Orks, Eldar and Daemons.
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@@wintersSEOI’m not a huge fan of the panoptica army libers that add new units and armies. However the balance changes from the base game panoptica update is really great. It fixes a lot of the overtuned things like dreads and the undertuned things like battlecannons and the militia army
If they ran one of those subscription mags like conquest or mortal realms for HH I and probably a lot of players would try it out in a shot
I bet Heresy 3.0 will be "more inclusive" and more "welcoming for new players" as they turn it into a 40k/AoS style game.
I don't trust GW to not screw it up.
Wish the would release the black books again.
A new edition? No fuckin thank you! Theyll just ruin it to dumb it down for dadhammer. How about a 2.1 errata instead?
Well said, agree on everything but xenos, if gw do that it becomes a direct competitor to 40k and we don't want that look what they did to legends after 9th edition of use all your heresy units here..
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Agree that the rules only need a tiny bit of tweaking, but (for the channel's games) maybe come up with a few house rules? Plastic kits would be ideal, but there are plenty of great weapons and upgrade kits on sites like Etsy and people like March of War. (I know since Winters gets stuff from GW, he might not want to say this?) As for xenos in HH... maybe? There is a ruleset out there for Eldar; "Liber Antiqua". That team also write updated rules tweaks for the main game too.
From their own post of a timeliness we should have had a melee weapon sprew by now for atleast the basic weapons but they've not officially posted anything about it being delayed or anything. A mate of mine asks every time they put a post up and they just keep saying no news, it really locks out some builds unless you have bits to kitbash with which is really sad for newcomers
I love the rules, but I would like to see an expansion on the org lists, like they had in 7th with certain ones lending themselves to different unit types (spearhead for heavy etc.)
Im waitibg for models to start my sisters of silence army
i really want them to make the Aurox Armoured Transport from the Solar Auxilia in plastic
Yep. Totally agree
Would love to see orks in heresy.
I dipped out of 40K because of the constant changes would hate to see that in heresy.
Could not agree more, if they released codex Xenos, I'd be all over the horus heresy
Just need a points balance and more options for the various factions. Make Solar Aux (a ZM faction) work for ZM.
Since asking you Winters on your live stream last week avout fielding knights in HH, I’m going to start from there. Then I would love to field some lovely orkses along the line. The game sounds great - though I don’t want to paint marines.
I love Heresy! My World Eaters do need more Axes as well. Just give me 7th ed rules back in 40K!
Not keen on the GW policy if keeping the lines completely separate, especially for Mechanicus/m where they are supposed to be maintaining equipment to millennia old designs.
Xenos would be the big one. Orks, Eldar... Even Votann. Plenty of people buy multiple 40k armies but are put off trying 30k as 'just marines'. Once they are in and they see the varied rules for militia and legions many will be hooked.
What Winters said! Spot on!
I play Space Wolves in 40k and with the way GW are going I don't think they will be around as a unique faction of much longer, I have looked at HH and really like the setting, but every Space Wolves HH army seems to recommend Grey Hunters, and Grey Slayers. two upgrade kits that are out of production.
40k is SO stale atm. Very much looking forward to getting into HH. I miss the complexity and customization.
Everything you said is golden if they had a clue they would hire you!
Actually, Adeptus Titanicus is the best ruleset they ever made, but neing based on a familiar and stable edition is a big plus.
Personally i would like to see vehicles get wounds/toughness/saves, and AP modernising like later editions.the 'get a save/no save' thing is silly and makes certain weapons useless .also, leave xenos as a fan project, orks are stupid and Eldar would have to be bullshit.
Honestly I feel that Heresy is intended as a very static game compared to 40k. Last edition lasted like 10 years.
Evidence?
The slow release schedule
best rules are Adeptus Titanicus
Yes Xenos for H.H. would be great 😊
Gonna finally start playing heresy later this year. 40k for me is fun but I LOVE heresy lore soooo much more. The looks of the marines are better and I love all the tank options.
The horus heresy is sooooo good i just wish there was some things taken from 9th stratagems & command rerolls and items lastly the faction specific subfactions i miss my valhallen three main characters rocking perks+items and the militia strat send in another wave 🤘
Little points adjustment for contemptors, tone down augury scanners a bit, maybe make reacting with heavy weapons a bit less effective... Problems solved!
On the money!
scrap brutal, breaching, make all shooting reactions hit on 6s and make barrage/ordnance AP2 under the centre and the game should be levelled out.
HH is the best, not played 40K since … it reminds me of the old 40K rules before it went tournament focused.
GW do not bring out a new edition. This is not 40K. We don’t need a new edition every 2-3 years. 30k isn’t perfect but we like it that way and don’t need updates. I would love to see some balances, dreadnoughts to name one, but not at the cost of the game turning into the cancer that is 40K.
Horus Heresy 2.0 is a hot mess, rules wise. What are you smoking with that opening statement?? Some things just straight up DON'T WORK. Emperor's Children corrupted rules are non-functioning, artillery is useless, internal balance is bad, some units are borderline wortheless, etc, etc, etc
HH:
rules are based arround lore
KITBASH IS KING!
nobody cares about legends and nothing gets removed
40k:
Everything for MEtachaster Tournament douches
Kitbashins is PFUI (try find a profile for a : Blood Angels Jump Pack Command Squad....)
using Legends makes people look weirdly at you
SAME system call it : GREAT CRUSADE and give us orks Eldar etc!!!
I'm starting my white scars army in the spring for HH. Idk if codex xenos is a good idea since it's still a D6 game. I think inherently having so many factions having the same base line is what allows such a good system. Everyone for all intents and purpose starts at marine. You don't have to make an army FEEL stronger like say Tau to marines to custodes to necrons. Being hyper specific is why I'm finally pulling the trigger on the army. If it turns into 40k in the past I don't really see the point.
I think you're totally wrong. A d6 system can be balanced. They just CHOOSE not too. The company doesn't have any real incentive to make a 'perfect' rule set. If customers are 'totally satisfied' then they don't spend as much.
7th and 1.0 were actually really close to be 'perfectly balanced'.}
It's difficult for me to really explain without examples, so I'd really love it if you could give me a couple or three examples of things you believe/feel to be imabalanced, and I'll do my best to change your mind!!!
The reason why a d6 system works, is it gives us 2 layers of 'light, medium, and heavy' or 'weak, medium, strong'. 1 and 2 = youre at a disadvantage ,3/4 = your even, 5/6 = you have the advantage. So long as units and weapons are pointed appropriately, it is possible to balance most things!! Finally, the fact that you have to go through 3 layers of checks, before you can kill something (to hit, to wound, saves), designers have a TON of levels to control the balance with. Infact, one excellent example that pops up are how imbalanced vehicles have been, as compared to models with wounds, but especially giant monsters. The key reason why vehicles have always been underbalanced against them, is that vehicles don't come with a save!!!! Thats 1/3 of your mini's layer of defence, stripped away just because you have treads... The thing is, it didn't use to be an issue. But once they introduced HP and glancing hits, tanks become UP overnight.
@jamesespinosa690 choose is a strong word. Name a single D6 wargame with over 30 factions and variations that have deep lore tonadhere too.. Everyone that complains about GW leaves that out. The only maybe near one is bolt action but as it's historical every army is a baseline human.
What do I want to see? Anything for Iron Warriors that's not a head or a shoulder pad. I don't think that's too much to ask.
I concur
I love HH, but my true hobby passion unfortunately is in the 40k setting, not the 30k setting. I can not just shift that passion with a flick of the finger. I have big 40k armies (like many here surely do), but zero interest in the current ruleset. I did start a 30k army (Emperor's Children) when the 2.0 rules came out, and I am still slow-growing it to 2000 points, but I'm just not as invested as I am in my decades old 40k armies with all their self-written lore, the fond gaming memories, the custom characters, the years of hobbying. Maybe time and experience will change that, but I fear my nerdy, nerdy heart will always ache for the 41st millennium and its grimdark whackiness.
I want to start a heresy army but most parts that I was planning to get (helmets special units etc) are out of stock in Europe. Without those I can't give my legion any flavor which is quite a letdown.
You need a 3d printing buddy !
The system if great. But sadfully there are a lot of units that need love. A lot of Artillery feels very useless, Medusas and Basilisks for example. Lascannons also need to be toned down. Some Tanks also feel a bit underwhelming.
I agree with all that’s been said
Hopefully Heresy is on a slower cycle than their other game systems. I mean how many years were there between 1.0 and 2.0?
I dont want to see HH3.0. Simple. Stay away from it GW