CAPITALISM by Oingo Boingo. An honest review/reaction in 2021
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Who is Oingo Boingo? Who is Danny Elfman? Ever watched The Simpson's, The Nightmare Before Christmas. Long before those iconic Theme's and Movies, Danny Elfman was in a band called Oingo Boingo. He did a song called "Capitalism" that is just as relevant today as it was in the early 80's.
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I think the song criticizes the ones who criticize without thinking as well as the ones who ignore criticism without thinking.
Danny Elfman and Oingo Boing albums were always full of sarcasm, specially on that first album. You can't take anything at face value. No, he doesn't really prefer 'little girls', most songs were responses to critics and perceptions of the band; there's even a song specifically about critics.
But you guys realize this is not a pro capitalism song, as most of the songs on that album are about calling out fakes and pretenders.
I'm dying at these guys taking the lyrics literally, esp in context of the entire album which is wholly tongue in cheek.
Its dead on in 2022 every leftist is who he is talking about dont even front. It may have been satire but its spot on in 2022. Every socialist in 2022 qre lazy fuck middle class gated community arm chair activists. Just like holiday in campdia explains leftism in 2022 even though ironically thats who jello grifts for
This is such a shit explanation. So you're telling me on the outside isn't about him feeling like a cultural outsider in the music industry. Shut your mouth and sit down kid. You need to practice up on your critical thinking skills to write any dissertation on Only A Lad. It was an anti-anti-capitalidm song. He wrote it cause he was sick of all the punk music that attacked capitalism without even saying anything of value outside of capitalism bad.
Continuing this, little girls is a song about liking little girls in a gross and sexual way. It is unabashedly p*dophilic in order to show how ugly and disgusting it really is. It creates a layer of sweetness to it that slowly unravels as the song goes on.
The title track is literally about how kids can get away with all kinds of delinquency with little to no repercussion and no one wants to fix this kid. It's taking a critique to the "boys will be boys" mentality.
"It's all sarcasm" is such a useless and reductive way to analyze oingo bingo music.
they don't realize it's satire o.o
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Danny literally said in an interview, “I’m the middle class socialist brat.” This video is hilarious to me lol. The interview he says it in, in case you don’t believe me: ruclips.net/video/Ovg70V3HEjQ/видео.html
We believe you Lloyd. We just thought it was a good song to review. Happy new year, and hope your 2022 is off to a great start. - C -
He was also a right winger at one point. I think the song is his right wing self arguing with his middle class socialist brat self.
He sold out just like most of his generation. Once he went Hollywood he had to go "Hollywood Left". Doesn't change how this helped me on my Libertarian path, so I can't hate on him.
@@alhollywood6486 …he’s from LA…
@@lloydking5129 I'm SoCal too, South Bay.
Given Elfman’s politics, I believe he plays the villain in many of his songs, ie. Little Girls. Although I lean hard right, I appreciate his dark lyrical cheeky satire.
Danny Elfman is probably the Greatest musician of all time. Prolific work!! More then anyone! Hands down. Love him
👍🏾👍🏾. - C -
Completely agree.
Y'all realize that Danny Elfman is actively mocking those who say "there's nothing wrong with Capitalism" - right? This is a sardonic, insincere song. That's how he writes a lot of his lyrics. (For example: His song "Little Girls" is not a sincere admission that he's into underaged girls. He's performing a song as though he's that kind of person, because it's strange and weird.) When asked about this song in the past, he's scoffed and suggested it's his most sardonic song.
Now, people listen to it and unironically celebrate it - even though he's actively mocking you. It's brilliant.
Though, just because he was mocking those who say these things doesn't mean he's actively supportive of socialism. You know, because most people still don't support pure socialism. They support democratic socialist programs in specific situations. Which far from supporting a purely socialist system.
That Thumbnail with the teal open shirt made me think I was having a brain aneurysm.
LOL!! It was a little disturbing to look at, wasn’t it? 😂. - C -
‘Dead man’s party’ is a banger😎👍
Love that song Mike!! They had some great hits back in the day! - C -
Just Another Day as well!
besides being a musical genius as well as a brilliant lyricist, danny elfman has one of the most beautiful voices i've ever heard. the first concert i took my daughter to was oingo boing in the 80's. just a couple weeks ago she went to vegas to see a hard rock/metal festival. my grandson did also. why? because the headliner, for some reason, waa Danny Elfman. I did one thing right as a mom, of that i'm surs. btw - he had no official musical training at all. entirely self taught. every instrument, and how they can all come together. he found humor and irony in everything.
That’s awesome Julie!! Thank you so much for taking the time to watch our channel. - C -
Danny Elfman via Oingo Boingo sent a message to society about society through music.
I believe the context that is missing in these comments is that back when Elfman was satirizing these POVs, those POVs were mostly regulated to AM radio stations that allowed or facilitated their contemporary Alex Jones' (if you will)... But now, that shit is literally the Right-wing norm. Which is why dipshits feel empowered to celebrate this song without irony.
Boingo days! Great job boys!
Thank you Wendy!! Sooo when are you going to make a guest appearance on the show? - C -
As a 62 year old, I rocked the late 70’s and I think the 80’s 😂 well into the 90’s! Oingo Boingo were spear headers... Thanks for the memories. ❤️ From the ATL
Our pleasure Felicia, thank you for taking the time to watch our channel and hope you had an opportunity to check out some of our other videos. - C -
Oh. My. Gosh! I had totally forgotten about this song... like Totally! (said in my best valley girl lingo) Great episode!
Fer sure, gag me with a spoon! 😉 - C -
Love this episode!!!!! And I love the shirt😃. I really enjoy topics like this and the connection to the world in which we live. Thanks for the insights😄
Thank you Heidi!! I’m curious, your love and admiration for that shirt wouldn’t be because you have one similar to it, would it?? 😉. - C -
Love this song, but there is clearly some exaggerated satire going on here. The first verse is from the perspective of a 'Capitalist' that is to say, a free market economist viewed through the lens of socialism. Someone who himself has never had to dig a ditch in his life.
However, the exaggeration is based on real attitudes that Danny and plenty others hold. The middle class socialist brats are the ones who posture and act like they are the struggling masses, and dont really know what struggle is. Danny is calling out hypocrisy and grifting while also critiquing the flaws of capitalism prioritizing profit over better lives.
I am fairly certain that "No spilled blood" isn't about Animal Farm, but was about the Island of Dr Moreau. 2 of his laws for the "humanized" animals were no spilled blood and to walk on 2 legs, not on 4. Thus the lyrics.
You are correct. I confused it with the pigs walking on two legs in animal farm towards the end. Thanks for the correction. - B -
When I first heard No Spill Blood my first thought was Noahide laws. Perhaps that’s what H.G. Wells wrote his book about.
Try listening to The Rainmakers "Government Cheese".
Thank you, we will have to check that out. 👍🏾. - C -
LOVE Oingo Boingo!! Forgot Danny was in the band, awesome reaction guys and very applicable to today!! (1981 was when the album came out)
Thank you Julia! It’s amazing that a song, released in 1981, carries so much truth today 👍🏾. - C -
That song was spot on and still very relevant today. I'm glad y'all reviewed because I had never heard it before.
Our pleasure Mark. Thank you for watching my friend. - C -
What's funny is that Elfman was literally mocking people who said this kind of stuff. If he was being sincere, he wouldn't paint himself as the ignorant, anti-intellectual, unempathetic asshole he paints himself here. When asked about this song in the past, he has scoffed and suggested that it's his most sardonic song.
Which makes this song even more brilliant. Now, people like you are unironically celebrating this song - when it's actually making fun of you. Ha
Ya gotta keep the shirt! Watch the wife though, they're sneaky! I had an OLD 91-x (if from San Diego you know) tank top from way back, and one day I just happened to notice it was gone!! Love that old Oingo stuff, hadn't heard them in forever. It seemed like Elfman did the music on every single movie I saw for about a 20 year period. Before Oingo was Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo, I'm betting you knew that already though lol. For those thinking Oingo was weird, try out Mystic Knights! Hey, if you ever want to relive Oingo, next best thing is a cover band in SoCal called Dead Man's Party. They are REALLY good! The lead does such a great Danny Elfman. They even get a couple former Boingo band members playing with them from time to time. They really got the songs and the performance down pat, horns and all.
😂👍🏾👍🏾. - C -
Have you read yale universities study that single payer health care is actually cheaper than the system we have now?
It doesn’t take a study to reason out that cutting out the parasitic insurance middleman will make things cheaper.
What are your critiques of the communist party of the USA prior to FDRs new deal?
I love Oingo Boingo. If you like this you should expose Cedric to "On the Outside".
Ahh Oingo Boingo!! Saw them at the 1982 US Festival....and a few more during the time. When you were doing your set-up of Danny Elfman, I was like "Yeah get to the good stuff, Oingo Boingo!" I never understood why people think of Punk and New Wave as an all left lean. Of course some bands were, but some were not. Nobody censored anyone over it. We were raised behind one of the most spoiled and blessed generations "The Boomers". We got stuck with little opportunity and high inflation coming out of high school and college wasn't, for many, an option. Why? we couldn't afford it and our parents didn't have the money. Still, no one wanted to live with their parents. I had 2 jobs, 3 roommates and a 2 bedroom apartment in my Senior year of High School. I worked hard, played hard, had a great time and blamed nobody. No regrets and it's always been my choices. Don't throw that shirt out Brian! Hide it well!
Thank you Pam!! Yes, it was nice to come from a generation that valued Hardwork, consistency, persistency, and getting out there and making your own way as opposed to having everything handed to you.
I’m with you, I knew Brian was headed toward Oingo Boingo, and I was trying to rush him along so that we could get there.
I do believe Brian has that shirt hidden away where no one will ever find it. 😂
Thank you for watching, and taking the time to comment.
- C -
I'm so jealous you went to the 82 US Festival....
Frame the shirt 👕 instead 🤣🤣🤣
UGH!!! Now you’ve just gone and given him a reason to hold onto that wretched thing!! 😂😂. - C -
@@CedricandBrian Better than him wearing it! 😂😂😂
Thanks for the trot down memory lane.
Our pleasure Tonya. Thank you for watching. - C -
First, thank you so much for covering my favorite band of all time!! I had the gift of seeing them live many times when they first started out - greatest live performance band ever! My read on this song is in the middle of these many comments. Having followed Oingo Boingo back in the 80's, I now call this his "Libertarian album." His comments at the time it was released didn't indicate it was complete satire, though some of it obviously is, like Little Girls. In later year it's my opinion he kind of ret-conned some of his intention in this first album. It no secret that his opinions shifted as he got older and definitely got darker. People change. Don't know if you've heard his latest album, a reaction to the last couple of years:
"My anger really wasn't even directed at Trump, because the world is full of sociopaths ready to grab control of the wheel. They'll do it," he says. "It was the ease with which the [Republican] Party embraced that and enabled him - that was the frustrating part. He should have been like a fringe character. I get it: you've got QAnon, you've got Trump, you've got these fringe conspiracy things. But don't hand over the keys to to that demagogue just because they've got a popular base. But they did."
They were my favorite band of the 80’s also. His mind and satire seemed to be more open and balanced back in the day. Those comments above just reinforce the situation he is now in. I don’t know if it’s laziness, or apathy, be he seems to just tow the same main stream line. Most punk and post punk music was anti establishment. Now so called rebellious music just says the same thing you hear on every news outlet. He used to sing about big brother watching, now he is just a part of big brother. Oh well.
Elfman is 100% mocking people who say this kind of stuff. Why would he paint himself as an unempathetic, anti-intellectual, ignorant asshole who gets angrier and more aggresive as the song goes on? He was mocking these people. And now, people who agree with these sentiments celebrate this song unironically. It's hilarious - and brilliant.
😳 Brian! What the fudge Crakr are you wearing?!
Our nations youth when they are not incorporated right to the top of whatever their field of study was (or whatever job they had), it was/is obviously the fault of some Capitalist, somewhere. Until they rose to their top.
I miss the good movies of the 80s and 90s. Brian please never wear that shirt, leave it locked in the closet, lol. I am just joking Brian. You guys are funny. Keep up the great job.
Yes, the 80s and 90s were definitely a great time to be around for entertainment.
I think Brian has a secret hiding place for that thing he calls a “shirt“ and I don’t even think his wife knows where he hides it. 😂 - C -
@@CedricandBrian🤣🤣🤣
Very "DEVO" esque in the music. I find the idea of "Artists" liking/championing "Socialism" very disingenuous and hypocritical. Artists are the FIRST ones that want to benefit from the Free Market of Capitalism. An artist wants you to pay top dollar for their painting...top dollar to attend their concert....top dollar to buy their album/cd/etc. Singers like Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi LOVE to preach and even dictate to US how We should live, but only after making their 10s of Millions of $$$$ throughout their career.
My dad was a professional drummer...he played for people like Tony Orlando, Burt Bacharach, Engelbert Humperdinck and then went on to play on Broadway (Le Cage, Fiddler on the Roof, Cabaret and Chorus Line). He got paid very well to do what he did....but he also practiced very hard to get where he was. Before he died, he was a hard core leftist and budding socialist. He wasn't a "Socialist" when he was a working musician, he always bargained for Top dollar.....He turned Socialist once he retired (free school, free medical, etc.).
Al Gore is the PERFECT example of the Left's "Do I SAY, NOT as I DO" mentality.....and for some reason, Hollywood and the Music Industry have followed suit. The LAST group of people that I'm going to take financial/political advice from, are a bunch of "Stars".
That was right on point John!! It’s hard to listen to a bunch of musical artists, professional athletes, authors, etc., etc. thumb their nose at capitalism when they are so richly blessed by it. - C -
Nice
Thank you 🙏🏽 - C -
Danny married into the Communist Fonda Family. That's why he retracted all of his prior conservative songs.
You are hilarious if you think capitalism is a conservative song lmao, listen between the lines, its sensational sarcasm
I think Grey Matter is anti-capitalist. He blames capitalism for dumbing down the youth.
Good discussion and nice vinyl collection (11:54). Peace.
Thank you!! Way before we start talking about world issues, we used to have fun by doing music trivia. When you have time, check out these two videos from back in the day 👍🏾. - C -
80’s Music Trivia
ruclips.net/video/FFv5_RZaPko/видео.html
90’s Music Trivia
ruclips.net/video/UAUO4aVxsL0/видео.html
@@CedricandBrian Thank you! Those were both great walks down memory lane. Whoever says time travel is not possible has not listed to music from their past. Peace.
The album Only a Lad is completely dripping with sarcasm: Little Girls, Perfect System, Only a Lad, Nasty Habits, all calling out fakes and phonies, one song is literally called Imposter.
You don't understand this album or capitalism or socialism.
Yes, but the lines calling out the middle class socialist brat ring so true.
In an interview he said he was "the middle class socialist brat" he was talking about.
Extended play is correct!
Thank you Robby 👍🏾. - C -
That shirt is a damn shame....lol
LOL!!! 😂😂 It definitely is!! - C -
I liked the show, BTW. I like the shirt.
Just hearing someone say the year 1984 gives me the chills 😬 🤣
I was a junior in high school, and it seems like yesterday. - C -
check out grey matter or just another day
Don’t underestimate the number of middle or right leaning individuals in entertainment who will publicly lambaste any enemy of the Left every chance they get, and then quietly go vote Republican to keep their taxes low.
I want to understand your comment. I’m confused about what is wrong with wanting to hold on to most of the money that you’ve earned? - C -
@@CedricandBrian Nothing at all. I bet some of the most aggressive left wing celebs and talking heads don’t vote in the booth the way they speak in public because they’re acting in their own rational self interest when no one is looking. I’d wager we would find the true percentage of Republican voters in sports and entertainment to at least be notable, if not shocking, could it ever be known.
Like Stevie Wonder and the following runny nose wipe: Danny Elfman is a Musical Genius!
CED can you please do a wardrobe check on Brian before the shows, you know kinda like you would do your kids before they go out🤦♀️ or at least some needle and thread to so that button back on!
Great show
LOL!! Debbie, the sad part is that he will ask me if his hat is on straight; or if he has any “flyaway“ hairs on the top of his head, but yet he has the nerve and audacity to wear that “shirt“ while filming. 🤷🏽♂️😂. - C -
Wow. That shirt. That's great. I don't think you understand this song. It's sarcastic. Some of their songs were ironic, like little girls... That's not admission to being a p.e.d.o. He's playing a character in these songs. This song is as if Trump was singing it. His vocals are complete evidence of his views, he really makes fun of his character that calls these kids whinny brats.
Oingo is my all-time favorite don't ruin it with politics.
Iike the way you provide facts
👍🏾. - C -
Not the first EP. The first EP had only four songs. Only A Lad. Violent Love. Ain’t This the Life and a cover of You Really Got Me. The fist album. The 7 min it took to get to the song was annoying
Really lost me with the partisan crap. Should have known with the flag in the background. Ironic (or, actually not) that you don't understand the song.
First thought seeing Brian....ohhhh man, disco is ... Back??!?? 🤨 or would this be blue collar disco😜😆😉
LOL!! I’m working on getting Brian back into this decade, but it may be a slow process. - C -
I would like to see a updated version from Danny
He has a new album called Big Mess. Amazing work
@@oregonhighroller5178 but I think his views have changed on society ever so much. As i have heard in a few of his songs and many posts on instagram
@@TomB91381 he's always been that way. People read his music wrong is the problem. I'm a progressive so I don't mind his views at all. The only way to grow as a society is to progress into the future not do the same old same old bullshit
@@TomB91381 I wouldn’t say his views have changed all that much. “Serious Ground” has a similar message to “What You See” from the first album. And I may be wrong but “Get Over It” sounds like an attack on cancel culture.
Love the show guys, take a look at the title track "Only a Lad" where he says "Its not his fault that he can't behave, society made him go astray, perhaps if were nice he'll go away." Just like the liberal left telling us that some people are not responsible for there own actions. Plus, I do remember you wearing that shirt in collage. Looks pretty good for being over 35 years old.
Or “Nothing Bad Ever hapernd to Me.” Oingo Boingo was so far ahead of their time, both thematically and musically.
I love the way your guys' eyes roll when he sardonically complains about people being empathetic and considerate. God... What miserable people you guys seem to be.
And it's 100% y'all aren't considerate. If you were, you wouldn't make us all look at your shitty body under your blue vest.
If you make a service free, then you are diminishing the people who provide that service. If the fruits of their labors are without cost, that's slavery. I thought we abolished that in 1865?
🙌🏽🙌🏽. - C -
Besides that, why would people entitled to the work of others? Like if one works, why would he need to give his money to help someone he doesn't know and if he doesn't, he gets rattled for being a public enemy. Freedom of choice, thats liberalism.
We can make robots that can make everything we need now. Continuing to charge people for things is imposing artificial scarcity.
“It’s our generation’s fault.”
Exactly, Brian. Back when I still had a FB, and could speak freely, I said this repeatedly. I got so tired of our generation complaining about “these kids.” OUR kids. While in the same breath, talking about how they raised the same kids, with more talk about feelings, less discipline. 🤦🏻♀️ It really worked out! Something else us 70’s and 80’s kids are responsible for? Warning labels lol
BINGO!!! I always say that parents need to take a vested interest in their children, and stop letting the schools, and even the video games, raise our children. - C -
I don't have any kids. Served this country, Swore multiple oaths to it and I (and others) have been betrayed. More pissed than I can say. My 72-year-old Dad, a decorated Vietnam Vet, and life-long Democrat told me last October he'd changed his affiliation to Republican because "I didn't fight communists in Vietnam to let them take over here". Sadly, they have.
Unfortunately - Danny went LEFT later in years. But back then they had no money anyways..
I wouldn’t say he’s gone that far left. “Serious Ground” seems like a clear reference to the “mostly peaceful” protests of the summer of 2020. He blames the BLM/Antifa violence on Trump however for pissing minorities off with his incendiary tweets.
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 Still LEFT - He can BLAME whomever he wants - But he is also blaming the wrong people for letting it get as far as it did.
@@allwaizeright9705 He’s got a point though. I mean I never even heard of Antifa until Trump came along. I suspect somebody on the Trump team is running it as a psyop. But now that Biden is president you almost never hear about them anymore.
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 Oh no - I heard of them YEARS ago - they are just being under reported the same as BLM from main stream. But they are still out there.
@@allwaizeright9705 I’m pretty sure Danny wrote his song “What You See” about Antifa, or something like them anyway. Antifa in America only existed around the punk scene at first so maybe they actually threw a fit at one of his concerts. Or maybe not, they were more into beating up neo-Nazi punk bands but they might go after him if he were making that kind of music today since they are more sensitive nowadays.
Danny Elfman has said many times that he would get into "character" and tell a lyric story through that perspective. "Only a lad" and "I Love Little Girls" are examples of this. He is explaining what he read in the newspapers and people he met with the perspectives which he he explains in the lyrics of his songs. He is appealing to you your own perspective of what it means to be an American. It's the elites that have failed us in funneling $ to very few, rather than increasing minimum wage and offering a quality of life that people who are part of the largest age group since the GreatesGeneration, who these young people serve on many cases for employment. I know of what I speak as my father 92 and mother 85 are alive and kicking and in need of supervision. To credential myself, I was the salt to the salt & pepper combination in the trumpet section of the Fort Vancouver, WA marching Band and Orchestral Band. I'll have you know also I made my own clothes that were lost in moves. Refreshing to hear someone conversant in Oingo Boingo lore as well and Boingo lore onto Oingo Boing lore again. As a socialist, I salute you for this knowledge, but disagree on your politics and intentions of an artist simply putting himself in the the shoes of others who he has encountered at the time. Also, to take Danny Elfman seriously in your or any perspective on social issues, i think is a result of his observation of people he has encountered, read about and taken o their logical conclusion from that empathetic induction. the song may appeal to you, but the library of work speaks those able to put differing lenses on the history of this proud country, which me and my bestie are of different views politically from you because our experience with capitalism is different than yours. As a socialist we are looking at the elite 1%, to pay their fair share, so i wouldn't worry too much.
There's nothing wrong with capitalism, there's nothing wrong with wanting to live nice.
This song... meh. But interesting how a message from the 70s, still applies. Nice shirt.
This was in the 80's.Very applicable to today.
Thanks Brant! We just loved how the lyrics are still applicable to what is going on in the world today, despite the fact that the song was released back in 1981. Brians shirt; that’s a different story completely 😂. - C -
You know this song and this whole album is written ironically right? This is the same album that has a song about loving little girls. Elfman has said many times Only a Lad as an album was written from reprehensible perspectives.
Anyway, your ideas about what socialism is are poorly informed, read a book. This whole video is a massive L.
“You’re just a middle class socialist brat, from a suburban family and you never really had to work”. Not sure how old you are but this fit the typical liberal of the 80’s. Only a Lad, the song, also was a perfect comment on the liberal politics of the time. Then the song 1984 warned of a police state from the George Orwell novel. I used to listen to all his interviews back in the day. He always just stated he wrote whatever was in his head at the time and laughs it off. Whether ironically or not, his songs speak for themselves. - B -
@@CedricandBrian @Cedric and Brian "A lot of people hated us, and I kind of liked that. So I wrote that as another little way to provoke reactions. Nobody at that point was doing counter-left-wing rock ’n’ roll that I was aware of, and even though I consider myself very left, I wrote something that was very satirical of the left-for no other reason than being a brat." From Elfman himself in an interview with av, very easy to google.
1984 by the way isn't an anti socialist book whatsoever. Orwell's books had as many criticisms for capitalism as they did for authoritarianism. But you wrongly conflate socialism with fascism. In modernity, we fear that fascism may rise, true, but if ever it did come to be it would certainly be from the right, not the left.
of course this is the most downvoted comment smh, i agree