Thanks again, Bart. Still wish I'd jammed, but sometimes you're just having one of those doom and gloom sessions where you can't will yourself to push the button. At least I can always tell my grandkids that I was owned by a grandpa.
We've all been in those spots where we know we should pull the trigger, we know it will work at a 90%+ clip, but we still can't bring ourselves to do it. Happened to me yesterday I just flatted a raise from UTG when I was in the BB. Board was 9 8 7 4 3 and he bet 70% pot on river. Knew a jam would work, knew I had all the range advantage, basically knew what he had, but still couldn't pull the trigger. He showed QQ. Jam easily gets through. You live and learn. This is how we get better.
Good on ya for being willing to share that story. I was thinking it was an easy fold until he made that "show if you fold" comment while you were tanking. Not an easy call by any means, but that might have gotten me to call him down.
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You’re supposed to fold to bluffs sometimes, otherwise you are overcalling/ overplaying range. Especially given the player profile. If this is the dude that gets the bluff past you, that’s fine, going to be plenty others players where you pick off bluffs more profitably
Love SlowPoker, FUNNY AS F@#$!!! I have to get on the live chat... with an un known you have to look at the flop and figure out what he is continuing with... Had him 64 all the way.... Maybe because I am used to a bunch of loose calling stations in my club play, but you have to include that as a possibility...
Not finishing the video, just popped in to make sure the dude that called my large river bet last week with King high against my nut flush with Ah3h, didnt go crying to Bart. I'm in the clear 🤙
I totally could have seen a 64hh in a small blind call. He had open ended straight draws. I personally thought he had KQ which no one talked about. For $200 to win $800 it is a tempting call and I would have done it
Maybe it's different at 5/10, but I don't think many 1/2 and 2/5 players are doing much leading and it's pretty face up when they do. I'd be willing to bet 99%+ of the time it's a bluff or a draw that got there and they don't want you to check back. Since no draws got there, I'd assume we're good every time. I actually think calling is good. It makes no real sense for something like AJ to lead here unless he knows you're only taking this line with two pair and 33 or 55 just calling the small turn bet is really bad on an AK high board. Maybe he's got AQ, but besides that, we're always good. I hate a raise so much - he's not folding a boat, he's not betting worse basically ever unless he's bluffing and we beat that with a call anyway. A raise seems like such a punt.
@@robertcane7432yes. Hero opened from the LJ. If villain has something like AT, he still loses to all combos of AA, AK, AQ, AJ, 55, 33, all of which are in hero’s range. And it’s a lot more combos than the 2 combos of A2s and 2 combos of A5s which might also take this line before the river. As such I don’t see a villain donking out on the river with (say) AT or even AJ.
230 is such a small sizing, almost makes it worth paying off his value. I fold most of the time. But what is op repping that wasn't already beating us? Imo A6thru A10 wouldn't do this. Maybe AQ and AJ
what Kx does villain show up with? Literally none, besides AK that he just old man coffee calls pre. 55 is a slight concern I guess, but that’s 3 combos. Block AKhh, block 33, block A5hh. If we think he’s a straight OMC, sure, just call river. Vs any competent player, has to be close to a pure raise.
Hey Bart, I played a game at a poker room at the golden nugget and the hand is haunting me , debating if I made the right decision . I would love to call in and discuss
It’s interesting to watch all the poker content now. Used to just play and run it on 2 + 2. Now money runs it, coaching and GTO scamming over analysis of shit using superputers blah blah lol. I don’t have a point but I don’t like the poker landscape these days… hope you win keep on trucking. Sips coffee
whenever someone says "i'll show if you fold" when i'm tanking, that will almost always make me lean towards calling. for me, that is a sign of feigning strength.
i’m still learning guys, and I have a question. Why did the hero and Bart assume after the flop that the small blind would not have ace king? But that ace queen would be more common? Confusing.
Because all combos of AK are 3 bet off at a high frequency. With AQ, suited combos will 3 bet a fair amount but there a lot more flatting, especially with offsuit hands
Given the pre flop action, the small blind only calls the hero’s $30 open with another caller from out of position. Usually with a hand like AK in the SB you’re going to want to protect your hand and position by 3 betting and taking it down early or seeing the flop with more money in the middle. He also check/ calls the flop which isn’t a top pair top kicker move. AQ makes more sense given that he’s playing pretty defensively.
Sizing on the turn lead us to this situation. When the board comes a rainbow you have less bluffs to bet. With such a narrow range to bet you either need to bet very, very large or not at all. Also minus points for not knowing the opponent's small blind calling range. Calling 55 in the SB is totally different from a person who calls 64s in the SB. This tells me that the hero was not table watching well enough while not in hands.
Worst thing to do is let this = justify calling the other times this happens. Lose this rare one but NOT lose more on the majority of other times you're clearly outdrawn.
So this is one of those hands that just doesn't make sense, coming from the SB and flatting oop to 2 players who have uncapped ranges. I don't realistically expect the SB to have any AX hand here. Should be 3-betting pocket pairs 10s plus plus all AJ-AK combos from the SB. He essentially shouldn't be flatting any of his range in SB vs LJ & CO uncapped ranges, it's not heads up, so multi-way oop it's either 3! or fold, so when we get to the river with top 2 pair after he plays the hand/position as he did and makes it nearly 3:1 on the call i think we have to just call this river bet here. Sometimes he's going to table AK (almost never, but if so be sure to make a note), 55, 88-10s, and as played everything else is just a bluff and I'd be willing to bet I'm good on the call, as played more than 1 in 4 times I face this line bc he basically shouldn't have a hand that's better than mine except 55s as played. Raising makes no sense because there's nothing your opponent can have on this runout that they call a river raise with and don't win and they just snap folds everything else. All that said, I was a little shocked to see 64hh but that just reinforces the idea that he almost never has us beat otherwise we'd have heard about it pre-flop. I like call and sometimes fold, but probably have to look him up here, getting 3:1
I was thinking V had a better ace or Kx until he made that "I'll show if you fold" comment, then immediately thought it was a bluff. Why would V say something to stop hero from calling a value bet when hero is already in the tank? Most recs aren't good enough to use speech play to create a reverse tell like that. When he makes that comment, I think we have to call.
Is this 100% always a fold, though? Assuming that the villain rarely has bluffs with this line, if the hero decided to take the aggressive route and raise over this lead on the river, couldn’t we divine some sort of scenario where nits would fold an AQ or AJ on this river? I’m not saying this isn’t mostly a fold in live mid-stakes. I’m just saying it isn’t a *pure* fold
It is certainly nice to block a 3 with our hand; I would guess that hands like e.g. 76s/54s/44 make probably for better bluffs, though: After all, the argument would be that we actually kind of want Villain to have an Ace that he can fold, - and not a boat. 😉
Easy call on the river IMO, because it is an obvious bluff. I reckon he has 64 suited most likely of hearts or diamonds. I have also watched the whole video so that also influences my decision in this specific hand because I saw the end and to be honest, when it's a bluff you have to call.
Old man coffee was feelin DANGEROUS! Love it! 🤣
still some wild oats to sow!!!!
Thanks again, Bart. Still wish I'd jammed, but sometimes you're just having one of those doom and gloom sessions where you can't will yourself to push the button. At least I can always tell my grandkids that I was owned by a grandpa.
I think folding was the better play. Obviously it would have worked given the reveal but....
We've all been in those spots where we know we should pull the trigger, we know it will work at a 90%+ clip, but we still can't bring ourselves to do it. Happened to me yesterday I just flatted a raise from UTG when I was in the BB. Board was 9 8 7 4 3 and he bet 70% pot on river. Knew a jam would work, knew I had all the range advantage, basically knew what he had, but still couldn't pull the trigger. He showed QQ. Jam easily gets through. You live and learn. This is how we get better.
Love the blog bro... Poker and comedy in the same place! Gl out there!
Good on ya for being willing to share that story. I was thinking it was an easy fold until he made that "show if you fold" comment while you were tanking. Not an easy call by any means, but that might have gotten me to call him down.
Jamming to get bluffs to snap fold and say half ace queens to fold? Breh
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In my 9-handed 2/5 game, if I bet $40 into $100 on the flop there would be 11 callers.
Rofl
do you have room for any new players?
Loose cannon runs across the room screaming call? I assume hes just calling everything on 4 different tables like he's still playing online.
You’re supposed to fold to bluffs sometimes, otherwise you are overcalling/ overplaying range. Especially given the player profile. If this is the dude that gets the bluff past you, that’s fine, going to be plenty others players where you pick off bluffs more profitably
Yes, I need another Slow Poker hand in my life
Looking forward to another Slow Poker Vlog
Always! the pace, the humor...so entertaining!
At first I agreed with Bart that it's an easy fold here, but I think I could convince myself that a raise here is good.
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I have to get on the live chat... with an un known you have to look at the flop and figure out what he is continuing with... Had him 64 all the way.... Maybe because I am used to a bunch of loose calling stations in my club play, but you have to include that as a possibility...
Great hand discussion.
Not finishing the video, just popped in to make sure the dude that called my large river bet last week with King high against my nut flush with Ah3h, didnt go crying to Bart. I'm in the clear 🤙
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I’m calling there depending on the person
I'm folding. Good job. Love both your channels.
I can't imagine a AQ or AJ going for value their
I totally could have seen a 64hh in a small blind call. He had open ended straight draws.
I personally thought he had KQ which no one talked about.
For $200 to win $800 it is a tempting call and I would have done it
Maybe it's different at 5/10, but I don't think many 1/2 and 2/5 players are doing much leading and it's pretty face up when they do. I'd be willing to bet 99%+ of the time it's a bluff or a draw that got there and they don't want you to check back. Since no draws got there, I'd assume we're good every time. I actually think calling is good. It makes no real sense for something like AJ to lead here unless he knows you're only taking this line with two pair and 33 or 55 just calling the small turn bet is really bad on an AK high board. Maybe he's got AQ, but besides that, we're always good. I hate a raise so much - he's not folding a boat, he's not betting worse basically ever unless he's bluffing and we beat that with a call anyway. A raise seems like such a punt.
I’m inclined to agree with you; how many Ax hands check-call flop and turn and then suddenly lead river into the preflop raiser?
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj im sorry but im new. just to confirm, the answer is: rarely?
@@robertcane7432yes. Hero opened from the LJ. If villain has something like AT, he still loses to all combos of AA, AK, AQ, AJ, 55, 33, all of which are in hero’s range.
And it’s a lot more combos than the 2 combos of A2s and 2 combos of A5s which might also take this line before the river.
As such I don’t see a villain donking out on the river with (say) AT or even AJ.
230 is such a small sizing, almost makes it worth paying off his value. I fold most of the time. But what is op repping that wasn't already beating us? Imo A6thru A10 wouldn't do this. Maybe AQ and AJ
Only 2:45 into this video, but I can guarantee this could all be avoided by 14x shoving the flop.
what Kx does villain show up with? Literally none, besides AK that he just old man coffee calls pre. 55 is a slight concern I guess, but that’s 3 combos. Block AKhh, block 33, block A5hh. If we think he’s a straight OMC, sure, just call river. Vs any competent player, has to be close to a pure raise.
Hey Bart, I played a game at a poker room at the golden nugget and the hand is haunting me , debating if I made the right decision . I would love to call in and discuss
These hands are great! I’d have folded. Perfect card for that play.
It’s interesting to watch all the poker content now. Used to just play and run it on 2 + 2. Now money runs it, coaching and GTO scamming over analysis of shit using superputers blah blah lol. I don’t have a point but I don’t like the poker landscape these days… hope you win keep on trucking. Sips coffee
But why he should be leading with AQ / AJ / AT ? Shouldn't he check-call again?
whenever someone says "i'll show if you fold" when i'm tanking, that will almost always make me lean towards calling. for me, that is a sign of feigning strength.
It's also an easy way to try to induce a call. 😏
From my experience as a poker dealer when someone says they will show if you fold 9 out of 10 they have a good hand
@@RubberDuckStyle interesting! thanks for adding your insight.
i’m still learning guys, and I have a question. Why did the hero and Bart assume after the flop that the small blind would not have ace king? But that ace queen would be more common? Confusing.
Because all combos of AK are 3 bet off at a high frequency. With AQ, suited combos will 3 bet a fair amount but there a lot more flatting, especially with offsuit hands
Given the pre flop action, the small blind only calls the hero’s $30 open with another caller from out of position. Usually with a hand like AK in the SB you’re going to want to protect your hand and position by 3 betting and taking it down early or seeing the flop with more money in the middle. He also check/ calls the flop which isn’t a top pair top kicker move. AQ makes more sense given that he’s playing pretty defensively.
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This is a pure bluff catcher. In those situations I tend to fold if I can't find any value I can beat.
If you're bluff catching, why fold? You beat all the bluffs. Nobody is turning AJ into a bluff after hero goes bet bet on flop and turn
Sizing on the turn lead us to this situation. When the board comes a rainbow you have less bluffs to bet. With such a narrow range to bet you either need to bet very, very large or not at all. Also minus points for not knowing the opponent's small blind calling range. Calling 55 in the SB is totally different from a person who calls 64s in the SB. This tells me that the hero was not table watching well enough while not in hands.
The arrogance of your comment is kind of astounding lmao
Didn't you say he couldn't have a K on the flop and then credit him with a K on the river?
Bart. 99% of the time when I hear someone say “I’ll show if you fold” I generally snap call.
Are you nuts putting that out there. Delete this comment
that's why I only say it with the goods!!!! but yeah, most the time, snap
Are K5 or K3 not in there ranges?
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If we assume AQ/AJ takes this line until the river I wouldnt expect them to donk it, so I would agree folding is best.
Isn’t that more of a reason to call river?
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Worst thing to do is let this = justify calling the other times this happens. Lose this rare one but NOT lose more on the majority of other times you're clearly outdrawn.
So this is one of those hands that just doesn't make sense, coming from the SB and flatting oop to 2 players who have uncapped ranges.
I don't realistically expect the SB to have any AX hand here. Should be 3-betting pocket pairs 10s plus plus all AJ-AK combos from the SB. He essentially shouldn't be flatting any of his range in SB vs LJ & CO uncapped ranges, it's not heads up, so multi-way oop it's either 3! or fold, so when we get to the river with top 2 pair after he plays the hand/position as he did and makes it nearly 3:1 on the call i think we have to just call this river bet here.
Sometimes he's going to table AK (almost never, but if so be sure to make a note), 55, 88-10s, and as played everything else is just a bluff and I'd be willing to bet I'm good on the call, as played more than 1 in 4 times I face this line bc he basically shouldn't have a hand that's better than mine except 55s as played.
Raising makes no sense because there's nothing your opponent can have on this runout that they call a river raise with and don't win and they just snap folds everything else.
All that said, I was a little shocked to see 64hh but that just reinforces the idea that he almost never has us beat otherwise we'd have heard about it pre-flop.
I like call and sometimes fold, but probably have to look him up here, getting 3:1
I was thinking V had a better ace or Kx until he made that "I'll show if you fold" comment, then immediately thought it was a bluff. Why would V say something to stop hero from calling a value bet when hero is already in the tank? Most recs aren't good enough to use speech play to create a reverse tell like that. When he makes that comment, I think we have to call.
good point.
@@robertcane7432 agreed
The trouble is when somebody donks the river they're so thick on value it's going to be hard to get them to fold
Is this 100% always a fold, though? Assuming that the villain rarely has bluffs with this line, if the hero decided to take the aggressive route and raise over this lead on the river, couldn’t we divine some sort of scenario where nits would fold an AQ or AJ on this river?
I’m not saying this isn’t mostly a fold in live mid-stakes. I’m just saying it isn’t a *pure* fold
It is certainly nice to block a 3 with our hand; I would guess that hands like e.g. 76s/54s/44 make probably for better bluffs, though: After all, the argument would be that we actually kind of want Villain to have an Ace that he can fold, - and not a boat. 😉
why would we want AQ to fold? we want them to call, no?
not deleting this, but i figured it out myself. the king pairing gives AQ 2 pair w Q kicker and hero has 2 pair with 5 kicker
A pot sized turn might have gotten a fold here
I don’t think this hand beats me enough to fold.
Bart doing his callers dirty/ bit disrespectful with these thumbnails IMO
I would've raised to 800.
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Easy call on the river IMO, because it is an obvious bluff. I reckon he has 64 suited most likely of hearts or diamonds. I have also watched the whole video so that also influences my decision in this specific hand because I saw the end and to be honest, when it's a bluff you have to call.