For his excuse, apparently he paid huge amount of money for the new stadium in Las Vegas, but still, there are so many owners who simply wouldn't invest to satisfy their fanbase. Dodgers ownership is willing to invest to increase their market value by strengthening their roster, eyeing for championship. So we punish those who invest but ignore who milks those luxury tax but not spending? lol cry babies
So let me get this straight: Players make the game what it is, not the owners. The players are usually the ones at the mercy of owners. The Dodgers ownership is paying the players their fair worth. The Dodgers are arguably the best run franchise in the sport. The weather is perfect for baseball. Hot summer days, cool summer nights. Rarely, if ever a rain delay, let alone a postponement. You want to live on the beach.. check.. you want to live in the desert.. check, you want to live in the city.. check The fact that they win, scout, draft, develop at an elite level. The fact that they are known to resurrect the careers of many potential castaways and provide them with a job. The fact that they are keeping Toles on the payroll so he can receive medical care even though his playing days are over. Tell me how the Dodgers are bad for baseball? I’ll tell you that the Dodgers are the poster franchise. They are what marquee franchises should aim to be. They aren’t bad for baseball, they are bad for your team because they do everything they should do…. Better.
Y’all act like the dodgers weren’t recently saved from the worst management in mlb history. Not only not spending on the team but taking money from team funds. Thank God for Andrew Friedman.
The Dodgers are spending 100 million to upgrade Dodger Stadium this year after they spent millions last year to make fans have a better experience at the game.
Agree. Over a decade ago, Dodgers were the laughing stock because of McCourt being a tight wad and not investing in the Dodgers when he own them. Now, they are being criticized? Fans of other teams should blame or hate their owners for not investing their teams.
Love them or hate them, the Dodgers are the model organization of baseball. Never afraid of spending big on key players. Analytically driven. And they don’t nickel and dime the city for renovations. Right now they are on a $100 mil renovation, about the third renovation in the last ten years, and never asked for one dime from the city of LA. Total class.
The Dodgers have done it both ways. They went with the youth movement and homegrown talent for 5-6 years and made 3 WS appearances. They had to after McCourt ran the team into the ground. Now, they are spending more in FA along with some homegrown talent still on the team. They planned this. They didn’t get into bad, long-term contracts knowing Otahni and Yamamoto were going to be available last season. Now, they have the core of the team locked up for the next 7-10 years and some really good prospects that will contribute moving forward.
@@francisco.lizarraga So you are happy that Snell's ERA is in the 4's and 3's recently? Wow, you paid all that money for him! That is sick! Plus he is injury prone!
No that can’t why would Ohtani for example sign with the Pittsburgh pirates for the same deal the dodgers just gave him? Players will always pick the big market teams.
So, let me get this straight. The Yankees have 27 ws championship wins in their existence. Historically have had the best players and the most hof players, but now it's a problem? Smh.
Every owner in baseball is a billionaire and can spend as much as they want but they choose not to spend the money so I really dont want to hear from any of the cry babies
@@savvysearchAnother reason why the players don't want a salary cap. They're not stupid like a lot of fans are. They know these billionaire owners have money. They're just greedy and don't want to spend it.
Naw. There is nothing stopping the Reds from extending De La Cruz. There is nothing stopping the Orioles from extending Henderson, Rutschman, and Holliday tomorrow. This notion that small market teams can compete with the "big dogs" makes no sense. The Nationals AND Padres had Soto. The Rays AND Padres had Snell. They let them go.
Excellent points. The Orioles have a new owner who would be stupid to not re-sign those guys unless they are determined to go to free agency. De La Cruz and Henderson are Boras clients, so there may be no chance.
Great points. The Padres extended Machado. The Royals extended Witt. The Braves extended Acuna and Albies to well below market deals. Diamondbacks extended Carroll. Mariners extended Julio Rodriguez. Most players are open to an extension that buys out some of their free agent years.
You are right, but it doesn't work that way. A lot of those teams always want to extend the contract of those players. Agents like Boras hardly never sign the extension. They always wait until the season is over to start a bidding war. Are those players signing with Pittsburgh, Marlins, Colorado, Nationals, etc? Nope. So small market teams tend to trade those guys like Soto to at least get something out of them. If not, they'll lose the player to free agency.
@@TheTeacherUSC well some players want to be free agents. That is their right after 6 years of service time. The Royals extended Witt Jr. Why doesn’t that matter to you? The Pirates extended Brian Reynolds and Mitch Keller. I don’t remember anyone complaining on behalf of the Dodgers when Corey Seager left as a free agent and signed with the Texas Rangers. The system is broken when the Dodgers sign a free agent like Snell but it works great when Corey Seager leaves as a free agent. Interesting.
@msargeant29 Come on man, not even close to the same thing. First of all, Seager already had a WS so he was looking for a pay day. Also, there seemed to be some friction there between Seager and the Dodgers. How many WS do those guys have as well as Snell? I'll wait. Five years ago is way different than it is now. Not having a salary cap and hiding money with these deferred contracts are the problem. Just wait, you will have washed up guys with no rings play for the minimum to win a WS. It's ridiculous to even argue. Ohtani and Yamamoto signed for $1 billion dollars basically over 10 years. How much did they pay them this past season? You didn't guess it, $7 million. That's the problem. If you can't see the non parity in baseball then I can't help you. I went to a Dodger game in July. Ridiculous prices and the fans continue to go. I dont know if you have kids or grandkids. I hope you do and they play little league for the city park. I hope their schedule is only against travel ball teams. Let's see if you like the parity. Case closed, and if you even try responding, it shows your lack of intelligence. Just stop right now before it gets worse for you. 😉
@@VegasLoungeAct That sorta goes without saying. Nor do the fans pay the player's salaries. Certainly not directly anyway. Unless you got a bill from Bellinger that didn't get reported.
Talk about the smallest violin in history. Big market or small market, they are all owned by multi billionaires. All owned by industry titans. There are not small market teams, just small market owners. They don’t want to spend even though their teams occupy a larger entertainment scope in their markets than LA or NY, where people have more options to spend their entertainment dollars. Also, when was the last time NY (Mets or Yankees) have won a World Series? The Dodgers were criticized for not being able to get it done in the post season. If I remember, the Rangers won the WS last year. Arizona was in the WS. The Braves have been contenders. Houston won a couple. What exactly is the problem here?
Don’t forget ANY owner can spend like this, they just choose not to. Also the yankees did this for decades and no one was calling for rule changes or a cap
@@martingalvez4097Absolutely right. The best example is a little league team from the local park playing against travel ball teams. That's how MLB is right now.
It was a different time and there were no deferred contracts like today. Pretty soon, you'll have Trout and Harper play for the Dodgers at the league minimum and have a deferred contract the following year. They will win a ring before they turn 40 and ride off to the sunset.
Listen. This ain't fair shit is stupid. If owners don't want to spend and be competative then they should be forced to sell their team to someone who will. Everybody needs to quit cryin' about the big bad Dodgers.The Dodgers are great, they have the best ownership and the rest of baseball is jealous. Plain and simple.
Nope. Baseball doesn't learn from the NFL. There's a reason why there's parity in the NFL. A small market teams in MLB just can't compete with big market teams. The deferred contracts to Ohtani and Yamamoto is the worst. They only paid $7 million total this past season instead of $93 million. Ridiculous. In the NFL, there's superstars all over. I love baseball, but its not watchable right now.
The players aren't stupid. Fans are unfortunately so ignorant they don't even know the system and how much money is going into the small market billionaire owners.
Every team pissed off at the Dodgers because the Dodgers didn't want to do the long drawn-out bidding war game and trying to cut a deal. Maybe if you want something, you go and get it and don't play games. Red Sox and Yankees, listen up.
It's total west coast bias. When the Yankees were doing the same thing in the 90's no one was crying about it. Just stop and boycott your team. They have the money and the resources but fail to give their fan's a winning product. JUST STOP!!!!
If you don't know the numbers and how baseball works, you'll get obliterated by people like me who know about tax brackets in baseball. The deferred contracts should not be legal. The Yankees were not doing that. Ohtani and Yamamoto got paid $7 million total this past season instead of almost $100 million total a ye for both players. If they did, the Dodgers would be like at $340 million on salary contracts. They would have to pay 110% of tax on money after $293 million. There's a reason they kept it under $250 million. They would pose their 1st rd pick in the draft by 10 slots. That would basically put them in the 2nd round by the time they picked their 1st player in the draft. I could go on and on, but I know you don't know about numbers, so I'll eat you alive. They made up the Cohen rule last year for Steve Cohen. MLB is making up rules as they go. Pretty soon the Mets will buy a championship also. Not win it, buy it like the Dodgers. Baseball is unwatchable right now. For those people saying small market teams don't spend ia ridiculous. You really think Yamamoto or Soto will sign with Pittsburgh, Marlins, Colorado, Cincy, or 3/4 of the MLB teams? Please. They are going to big market teams where they'll make more money on those teams. I don't think free agents are lining up wanting to play in Milwaukee. But, if there was a salary cap, the Dodgers wouldn't have Teoscar, Freeman, Ohtani, Snell, and Yamamoto. They would have no choice but to sign with Boston, Seattle, SD, etc.i it's a joke. Don't even reply because you already look like a fool. Ill make you look worse even though it's youtube. Just remember my nickname is Mr. 99.9%. That's because I'm right 99.9% of the time when I talk about something I know. 🤫just keep your mouth shut
What the hell are they talking about? Baseball is the only sport that doesn’t have a repeated champion in more than 20 years. They sound like the Dodgers just won 5 consecutive World Series or something. 😂
The NBA is proof of this. Stars want to run the circus, they go wherever they can get max money and chill with their friends. Everyone wants to be like LeGM 😂
@@ralelunar Well, NBA has installed a hard cap in new CBA so you will see parity in future where KD and lebron type moves will be restricted and we will see players not change teams that often
The salary cap creates dynasties you 🤡. Ever heard of the Patriots, Chiefs dynasty? All that happened under the salary cap. The Warriors, Heat, Spurs and Lakers with Kobe, all had their dynasties under the salary cap.
Yes many smaller market could spend more then they do and in years past they did but they realized that they still could not spend enough to win so they just make more money so the top 25% of players do well with current system but not so much with the bottom 75% , also in over thirty years only one world series winner with a payroll in the bottom half.
Dodgers are going after players who are willing to buy into a winning culture. Choosing to defer and handing out large signing bonuses it helps the team. The Patriots were able to win 6 Super Bowl because Tom Brady was unselfish. Just like the Dodgers superstars
Regardless of the money, it still comes down to the player and where they want to play. If you got a crappy stadium, fan base, incentives, players aren't gonna want to play there. Buehler just told the A's to pound sand cause he doesn't want to play in Sacramento. Tampa is now in that situation, because of the stadium issues. So even if they "Show me the Money" most players are not gonna bite because they want to play for winning teams and teams that have nice stadiums and and give them incentives.
That’s what I’m saying but these idiots saying “your owner needs to spend more” are delusional. Why would you choose a small market team when you can go to the dodgers for the same money and most likely win a championship.
Hahah I love it to see fans crying about it, Put that anger and tears towards your favorite teams OWNER! Dodgers are doing what they’re supposed to do period!
It's funny seeing people complain about the Dodgers spending, as if that isn't the whole concept of professional sports. You pay to win, that's always been the theme for professional sports leagues
I can almost guarantee the real reason people are upset is because the Dodgers win. If they hadn't won a couple championships people would just call them a joke and laugh at their spending. Watch other front offices try to emulate what the Dodgers do.
Whats funny , Before Snell signed with the Giants last year. He was looking for a long term deal and no one wanted to offer him the contract. Even the 182 mill right now. Teams didn’t wanna give it to him but all of a sudden Dodgers said ok we’ll give u a long term contract. Everyone is up and arms about it. There were plenty of times other Teams could have signed him but they didn’t...Also, Deffered contract is not exclusive to Dodgers. All MLB teams can do the same,. Actaully deffered contracts has been happening for more than 30 yrs. that's why there was the Bobby Bonilla contract.
Deferral not only about tax, since you have to pay in the next 10 years, the expenses will also include the next 10 years player’s salary. How can you overcome? So the market value is also a very important consideration for the deferral.
If you change the PV discounting rules, you might as well just ban deferrals. The Dodgers are absolutely not doing this for cash flow reasons, they do the deferrals to save on CBT payroll. They can give these guys higher AAV contracts while staying below a certain CBT level and/or minimize their CBT liability. Without that incentive for the team, you're just going to see lower AAV which is exactly why the Union likes them now. The owners would likely to have to make major concessions elsewhere. I don't think anything changes, with a few exceptions fans are still showing up for the games and the rest of the owners are happy to cash these fat CBT checks from the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, etc while spending as little possible on their own team
Without the deferrals that $70M/yr would have been lowered closer to the NPV they are using to calculate the CBT. It's hilarious to argue it should be taxed at 70 when it wouldn't even be that without the deferral. Either way, they pay the same tax.
What’s not fair is how they have been able to defer almost $1 billion since 2020. They defer exponentially more than other teams spend. They don’t get as hurt against yearly payroll numbers and tax impacts because players are willing to defer so much to be a part of a super team where players won’t do that for other teams. Get rid of the deferrals, and it would be way less of an issue.
That's absolutely a lie by Ken Rosenthal. The contract given to Ohtani was created by Ohtani and his representatives. He was offering it to any team that signed him, so that's a bold-faced lie by Rosenthal about the Dodgers manipulating the deferrals between the luxury tax and actual state taxes. Be a man be accountable, stop it Rosenthal.
As long as teams like the pirates, rays, A's, rockies, cubs, white Sox, reds, royals, orioles, marlins. All these teams have money to make there team there billionaire's that don't spend there money to either compete or win. MLB owners are the worst in terms of spending there money. Angels spend there money stupid but at least there spending money on players.
I hate to be a grammar Nazi. Your first sentence isn’t a sentence. It’s a fragment. It’s their, not there (many times). It’s billionaires, not billionaire’s.
Put a salary floor for every team.. if you dont spend to that minimum for 3 years consecutive then the owners have to sell the team.. keep them trying to be competitive for the owners if you want to stay you got to pay .
Every team had the opportunity to sign him, it's just down to greed and ownership not wanting to spend money. They all got money from the world series money pool.
The disparity of have and have nots is NOT greater now. The 90s yanks pay gap was way bigger. Decades before that teams would bully themselves to have all the stars. This gets inflated because of Ohtani deals, and multiple teams agreed to those terms he just chose the Dodgers.
a lot of teams offer contracts to these same players. the players choose The Dodgers because its a sure bet they are championship contenders still and will be for some time. the way I see it is the players who really want to be champions are going and players that really just want a payday are not. Shohei not only deffering but also winning a title year one with The Dodgers is making LA look real nice these days.
It’s still baseball. Anything can happen in a 3 or 5 game series or any tournament. The fans and reporters are all raising these questions about what’s good for the game and competitiveness,etc…. But the owners are the ones to whom the questions need to be asked. Are their incentives aligned with the fans? The players? The sport at large? If the owners claim they want to win but cannot because of their market or the rules of MLB, then they need to open their books and prove it. They won’t do it, and that tells us all we need to know
I’m all for the dodgers signing Snell but if an argument for it is that they played a lot of bullpen games Snell isn’t it. I read that he had the least amount of innings pitched for pitchers who had at least 211 starts
I’m ok with a salary cap, as long as it comes with a salary floor that is 85-90% of that cap. The teams that will never spend are far more detrimental to the game than the teams like the Dodgers that will spend all the money in the world.
Why not lift the CBT on small market teams (the league already know the numbers what each team makes), so at least they don’t get penalized for wanting to spend on their players if they go over a so called luxury tax. Cuzz obviously large market teams like the dodgers don’t care if they’re paying double because they are still making money. $320 million media rights/year vs a team only getting like $40 million is ridiculous.
Small market fan bases whine about this and say their team can’t afford to sign expensive players yet those same markets sign mega contracts in other sports. It’s the owners that refuse to pay and need to be held to a minimum annual salary.
EVERY SINGLE MLB TEAM could have done the same thing. The issue is the owners cheapness and many of them just using their team as a piggy bank. Don't hate the Dodgers for wanting to win
Look, baseball doesn't need a cap because in the playoffs, any team can win. We've seen the Dodgers flaming out at the first round of the past 2 seasons. Unlike the NBA or NFL, the best team don't always win it all. I'd even argue that it's a crapshoot to win in the baseball postseason. Therefore, it doesn't really do anything to have a cap. If Dodgers proceeded to win 5 out of the next 5 championships then ask me again.
Does anybody care what the rest of baseball and their small market thinks. As a Dodger fan I could care less. Dodgers are about to form a dynasty. 4 titles in the next 5 years is what I predict.
Most teams are cheap af... Art Moreno is terrible does nothing to help his team. The players will go where the $ is period take that away and there will be a shut down.
No ball player is worth anywhere near what they are getting offered. The owners were jerks years ago when salaries were reasonable and they went ballistic.
Snell is a Dodgers need? Ohtani, Yamamoto, Glasnow, May, And a highly possible acquisition of Roki Sasaki and they need Snell? Even as a Dodgers fan that's a stretch to say they needed Snell. Having possibly six starters that can be #1-#3 on any team is ridiculously unfair to the rest of the league.
They need a big lefty arm. So did they need Snell? Maybe not but this is the Dodgers and they definitely filled a need by signing a big lefty arm. So why not go for the guy they’ve coveted for 5 years? The deal filled a need and put the league on notice that they’re not stopping anytime soon. Also worth noting Ohtani prefers pitching in a 6 man rotation and that’s what their after
@@btomlinson21 Doesn't Kershaw have a player option for next season too? I just think it's getting a bit ridiculous in how stacked they are now. Winning a ring is almost a given even with some injuries.
MLB can't be compared to NFL. There is no local television coverage for the NFL. That is the largest differentiator between large market teams and small market teams. The NBA presents itself as a better comparison.
This is squarely an MLB problem. Manfred is retiring soon. Do the right thing and punish the losers that milk the league for money. Fisher, Nutting, etc.
It’s great foe the game. MLB needs to remove the Cheapo owners and replace them with whales who actually love the city and teams. Case in point; Dewitt is worth $4B. No salary cap, but definitely a floor is needed.
If there’s a salary cap then there should be a salary basement. Enough of team packing money and crying poor. If your market can’t compete then you don’t deserve a team. All owners are billionaires
Ken Rosenthal is always wrong and a loser. This is bad for baseball when Snell is quoted multiple times "I hate the dodgers" and signs with them because they over paid. For reference I am a fan of a big market team
Ok, stop using Ohtani as a example. He is a unicorn and selfless. Most baseball and other sports, especially, in the US are GREEDY.They want all their money upfront. I want to see another player come close to deferring 68 of 70m. Please.
A bunch of whiners on here man. Yankees did it for decades. Dodgers JUST now started spending money. They started their run by developing their own guys like Bellinger, Seager, Smith, etc. And they let Seager WALK, because they weren’t a “money spender” just yet. So now that they have made that transition, we have this “is it good for the game” questions. lol please
Question to all of you pissing and moaning about “fair play”… where are you buying all of your Christmas gifts online? Might it be Amazon? Are you pissing and moaning that we should break up Amazon’s monopoly (something that would actually benefit you?” Nah… this is America Jack! Amazon, Google and Apple are good for you and so are the Dodgers! Ask MLB if they want another Rangers versus Diamondbacks World Series?
I’m fine with no salary cap but the deferrals should go and there should be a floor cap though. I know deferrals have been around a long time but it’s only a matter of time teams start taking advantage of it like we are starting to see. I get ownerships like it but remove the deferrals and the way teams have to approach free agents changes.
The players are the ones that have to agree to the deferrals. This was added in by both the players and owners to the CBA. The Guggenheim group just have created an absolute monster of wealth by investing into the team. The amount of money they’ve put into the stadium, minor league player development and free agency is the standard every team should be shooting for. I’m not a dodgers fan but I do respect business and the Guggenheim Group are the big swinging dicks in the room and the rest of the owners are holding the camera in the corner
they (glasnow,snell...) just want to play with Ohtani. Shohei Ohtani can share most of the pressure of other stars, which is the most important thing. If the salaries were the same, I would choose the Dodgers without even considering it.not yankees,mets,sd...(team culture ,vitriolic fans...) Honestly, your team just isn't attractive to star players. When you are unwilling to spend money to sign Shohei Ohtani, you are already doomed to fail. So, stop moral kidnapping
Didn’t the As owner pocket nearly 150M last year? 200M revenue, of which he generated next to none on a 60M payroll. There is your problem.
For his excuse, apparently he paid huge amount of money for the new stadium in Las Vegas, but still, there are so many owners who simply wouldn't invest to satisfy their fanbase. Dodgers ownership is willing to invest to increase their market value by strengthening their roster, eyeing for championship. So we punish those who invest but ignore who milks those luxury tax but not spending? lol cry babies
@ always an excuse with those losers. Owners are the problem in baseball .
100%
correct. And that's why many of these losers will never sell. Profit monsters
EXACTLY! Baseball doesn't need a salary cap, baseball needs a salary FLOOR
So let me get this straight:
Players make the game what it is, not the owners.
The players are usually the ones at the mercy of owners.
The Dodgers ownership is paying the players their fair worth.
The Dodgers are arguably the best run franchise in the sport.
The weather is perfect for baseball. Hot summer days, cool summer nights. Rarely, if ever a rain delay, let alone a postponement.
You want to live on the beach.. check.. you want to live in the desert.. check, you want to live in the city.. check
The fact that they win, scout, draft, develop at an elite level. The fact that they are known to resurrect the careers of many potential castaways and provide them with a job.
The fact that they are keeping Toles on the payroll so he can receive medical care even though his playing days are over.
Tell me how the Dodgers are bad for baseball?
I’ll tell you that the Dodgers are the poster franchise. They are what marquee franchises should aim to be. They aren’t bad for baseball, they are bad for your team because they do everything they should do…. Better.
Couldn’t have said it better myself Sir
Pin this comment. Thank you.
Amen
Thank you and perfectly said.
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Perfectly said
They should make it where owners need to spend on teams , to blame dodgers because they doing what’s best for there team is crazy
Y’all act like the dodgers weren’t recently saved from the worst management in mlb history. Not only not spending on the team but taking money from team funds. Thank God for Andrew Friedman.
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Interesting to see when it will cost Dodger fans 600 bucks to take a family of 4 to a Dodgers game.
@@hiramnoone they’re
The Dodgers are spending 100 million to upgrade Dodger Stadium this year after they spent millions last year to make fans have a better experience at the game.
The Dodgers the best run ball club in the league. They have invested money in all aspects of their organization and are a place players want to play
Who wouldn't want to play with the Dodgers?. Everyone loves parades
Agree. Over a decade ago, Dodgers were the laughing stock because of McCourt being a tight wad and not investing in the Dodgers when he own them. Now, they are being criticized? Fans of other teams should blame or hate their owners for not investing their teams.
@@steveparker2704 and being over paid.
Love them or hate them, the Dodgers are the model organization of baseball. Never afraid of spending big on key players. Analytically driven. And they don’t nickel and dime the city for renovations. Right now they are on a $100 mil renovation, about the third renovation in the last ten years, and never asked for one dime from the city of LA. Total class.
About time they won a World Series.
True , then again the history of how the stadium came together is pretty bad for locals.
@@deebopheng8424On top of that being ancient history, all that happened before the Dodgers. The Dodgers had nothing to do with that.
Take note Athletics 😂
@@hopespringseternal2624yeah, that 4 year drought was unprecedented
The Dodgers have done it both ways. They went with the youth movement and homegrown talent for 5-6 years and made 3 WS appearances. They had to after McCourt ran the team into the ground. Now, they are spending more in FA along with some homegrown talent still on the team. They planned this. They didn’t get into bad, long-term contracts knowing Otahni and Yamamoto were going to be available last season. Now, they have the core of the team locked up for the next 7-10 years and some really good prospects that will contribute moving forward.
So when the Yankees did it for decades and got 27 WS it wasn't a problem, yet now that its the Dodgers they all crying for salary cap
Good post!
Whine on, dude, whine on.
@@hopespringseternal2624 tell that to everyone that been crying since last night because Dodgers signed Snell hahaha
@@francisco.lizarraga So you are happy that Snell's ERA is in the 4's and 3's recently? Wow, you paid all that money for him! That is sick! Plus he is injury prone!
@@hopespringseternal2624Then why the hell are you so threatened of Dodgers if he's just an injury prone player with that ERA?
Remember: the billionaire owner of your favorite team could do this too!
Except Dodgers have an 8 billion dollar tv deal. The deal alone pays for the contracts. Name the teams that can compete with that?
@scottyc1093 the oakland as owner pocketed $200 million last season. They are all billionaires. Dodgers make a profit bc they sell winning
@@scottyc1093 It's also because they got a better deal, and they are able to utilize it..
@@reclusedoggo3513 Thats beside
the point.
No that can’t why would Ohtani for example sign with the Pittsburgh pirates for the same deal the dodgers just gave him? Players will always pick the big market teams.
So, let me get this straight. The Yankees have 27 ws championship wins in their existence. Historically have had the best players and the most hof players, but now it's a problem? Smh.
😂😂😂 right. Dodgers hate is real!
@02phenom yeah it is! Let em hate. 🤣
Living in the past y’all are ass now
@@02phenomI’m enjoying those salty tears. 😭😂🤣
People hated on the Yankees then too. They still hate
Every owner in baseball is a billionaire and can spend as much as they want but they choose not to spend the money so I really dont want to hear from any of the cry babies
And that luxury tax Dodgers are paying go into the other teams pockets. That's the problem. They just pocket it rather than spending on players.
@@savvysearchAnother reason why the players don't want a salary cap. They're not stupid like a lot of fans are. They know these billionaire owners have money. They're just greedy and don't want to spend it.
Naw. There is nothing stopping the Reds from extending De La Cruz. There is nothing stopping the Orioles from extending Henderson, Rutschman, and Holliday tomorrow. This notion that small market teams can compete with the "big dogs" makes no sense. The Nationals AND Padres had Soto. The Rays AND Padres had Snell. They let them go.
Excellent points. The Orioles have a new owner who would be stupid to not re-sign those guys unless they are determined to go to free agency. De La Cruz and Henderson are Boras clients, so there may be no chance.
Great points. The Padres extended Machado. The Royals extended Witt. The Braves extended Acuna and Albies to well below market deals. Diamondbacks extended Carroll. Mariners extended Julio Rodriguez. Most players are open to an extension that buys out some of their free agent years.
You are right, but it doesn't work that way. A lot of those teams always want to extend the contract of those players. Agents like Boras hardly never sign the extension. They always wait until the season is over to start a bidding war. Are those players signing with Pittsburgh, Marlins, Colorado, Nationals, etc? Nope. So small market teams tend to trade those guys like Soto to at least get something out of them. If not, they'll lose the player to free agency.
@@TheTeacherUSC well some players want to be free agents. That is their right after 6 years of service time. The Royals extended Witt Jr. Why doesn’t that matter to you? The Pirates extended Brian Reynolds and Mitch Keller. I don’t remember anyone complaining on behalf of the Dodgers when Corey Seager left as a free agent and signed with the Texas Rangers. The system is broken when the Dodgers sign a free agent like Snell but it works great when Corey Seager leaves as a free agent. Interesting.
@msargeant29 Come on man, not even close to the same thing. First of all, Seager already had a WS so he was looking for a pay day. Also, there seemed to be some friction there between Seager and the Dodgers. How many WS do those guys have as well as Snell? I'll wait. Five years ago is way different than it is now. Not having a salary cap and hiding money with these deferred contracts are the problem. Just wait, you will have washed up guys with no rings play for the minimum to win a WS. It's ridiculous to even argue. Ohtani and Yamamoto signed for $1 billion dollars basically over 10 years. How much did they pay them this past season? You didn't guess it, $7 million. That's the problem. If you can't see the non parity in baseball then I can't help you. I went to a Dodger game in July. Ridiculous prices and the fans continue to go. I dont know if you have kids or grandkids. I hope you do and they play little league for the city park. I hope their schedule is only against travel ball teams. Let's see if you like the parity. Case closed, and if you even try responding, it shows your lack of intelligence. Just stop right now before it gets worse for you. 😉
Small-market teams have billionaire owners, too. They just choose not to spend on players, or they make bad decisions on players (Moreno).
Or maybe players don’t wanna play for small market teams
Moreno's team isn't exactly small market. And he has spent - he's just spent very unwisely and won't spend on things like scouting and analytics.
For other teams, it is great for a traveling all star team for fans to view at their stadiums.
It’s a win win in my book.
As a Cubs fan, I despise the Dodgers, but I have a begrudging respect for them trying to win at any cost. Wish my team did the same thing.
Long as it's not your money of course.
@@hiramnoone None of the owners money belongs to the fans.
@@VegasLoungeAct That sorta goes without saying. Nor do the fans pay the player's salaries. Certainly not directly anyway. Unless you got a bill from Bellinger that didn't get reported.
@@hiramnoone If it goes without saying, then why did you mention it?
@@VegasLoungeAct You serious? You're the one who mentioned it. But shouldn't have bothered for the reason stated.
If Snell had demanded opt outs, I would "not have signed him" Great job to the Dodger brass. 😊
Im glad he now is a Dodger.
Rich owners not spending the money to win are the villains. Dodgers owners wanna win and respect the fans.
They are acting like the dodgers are forcing these players to sign 🤣
Long time baseball fan and really loved Ken. What a living legend.
Padres and D Backs
Eliminated
The DODGERS
In back to back season
People were happy, calling L.A
Failure..But now they're bitching
Talk about the smallest violin in history. Big market or small market, they are all owned by multi billionaires. All owned by industry titans. There are not small market teams, just small market owners. They don’t want to spend even though their teams occupy a larger entertainment scope in their markets than LA or NY, where people have more options to spend their entertainment dollars.
Also, when was the last time NY (Mets or Yankees) have won a World Series? The Dodgers were criticized for not being able to get it done in the post season.
If I remember, the Rangers won the WS last year. Arizona was in the WS. The Braves have been contenders. Houston won a couple.
What exactly is the problem here?
The problem is these cry babies didn’t get Blake snell on THEIR tram
Don’t forget ANY owner can spend like this, they just choose not to. Also the yankees did this for decades and no one was calling for rule changes or a cap
It’s ruining the game it won’t be competitive anymore at this point. Won’t be watchable
@@martingalvez4097Absolutely right. The best example is a little league team from the local park playing against travel ball teams. That's how MLB is right now.
It was a different time and there were no deferred contracts like today. Pretty soon, you'll have Trout and Harper play for the Dodgers at the league minimum and have a deferred contract the following year. They will win a ring before they turn 40 and ride off to the sunset.
Listen. This ain't fair shit is stupid. If owners don't want to spend and be competative then they should be forced to sell their team to someone who will. Everybody needs to quit cryin' about the big bad Dodgers.The Dodgers are great, they have the best ownership and the rest of baseball is jealous. Plain and simple.
Nope. Baseball doesn't learn from the NFL. There's a reason why there's parity in the NFL. A small market teams in MLB just can't compete with big market teams. The deferred contracts to Ohtani and Yamamoto is the worst. They only paid $7 million total this past season instead of $93 million. Ridiculous. In the NFL, there's superstars all over. I love baseball, but its not watchable right now.
If salary cap exist, any profit that the team makes goes to the owners' pocket and not the players. Players will fight for no salary cap
The players aren't stupid. Fans are unfortunately so ignorant they don't even know the system and how much money is going into the small market billionaire owners.
Every team pissed off at the Dodgers because the Dodgers didn't want to do the long drawn-out bidding war game and trying to cut a deal. Maybe if you want something, you go and get it and don't play games. Red Sox and Yankees, listen up.
It's total west coast bias. When the Yankees were doing the same thing in the 90's no one was crying about it. Just stop and boycott your team. They have the money and the resources but fail to give their fan's a winning product. JUST STOP!!!!
If you don't know the numbers and how baseball works, you'll get obliterated by people like me who know about tax brackets in baseball. The deferred contracts should not be legal. The Yankees were not doing that. Ohtani and Yamamoto got paid $7 million total this past season instead of almost $100 million total a ye for both players. If they did, the Dodgers would be like at $340 million on salary contracts. They would have to pay 110% of tax on money after $293 million. There's a reason they kept it under $250 million. They would pose their 1st rd pick in the draft by 10 slots. That would basically put them in the 2nd round by the time they picked their 1st player in the draft. I could go on and on, but I know you don't know about numbers, so I'll eat you alive. They made up the Cohen rule last year for Steve Cohen. MLB is making up rules as they go. Pretty soon the Mets will buy a championship also. Not win it, buy it like the Dodgers. Baseball is unwatchable right now. For those people saying small market teams don't spend ia ridiculous. You really think Yamamoto or Soto will sign with Pittsburgh, Marlins, Colorado, Cincy, or 3/4 of the MLB teams? Please. They are going to big market teams where they'll make more money on those teams. I don't think free agents are lining up wanting to play in Milwaukee. But, if there was a salary cap, the Dodgers wouldn't have Teoscar, Freeman, Ohtani, Snell, and Yamamoto. They would have no choice but to sign with Boston, Seattle, SD, etc.i it's a joke. Don't even reply because you already look like a fool. Ill make you look worse even though it's youtube. Just remember my nickname is Mr. 99.9%. That's because I'm right 99.9% of the time when I talk about something I know. 🤫just keep your mouth shut
Salary caps don't promote parity. Last MLB team to repeat was the Yankees in late 90s. Since then how many repeat champs have the NBA , NFL had?
What the hell are they talking about? Baseball is the only sport that doesn’t have a repeated champion in more than 20 years. They sound like the Dodgers just won 5 consecutive World Series or something. 😂
Yes!
Exactly lol
What I dislike about a salary cap is that it makes it hard to have a dynasty. It's nice when a core group of players can be kept together.
The NBA is proof of this. Stars want to run the circus, they go wherever they can get max money and chill with their friends. Everyone wants to be like LeGM 😂
@@ralelunar Well, NBA has installed a hard cap in new CBA so you will see parity in future where KD and lebron type moves will be restricted and we will see players not change teams that often
The salary cap creates dynasties you 🤡. Ever heard of the Patriots, Chiefs dynasty? All that happened under the salary cap. The Warriors, Heat, Spurs and Lakers with Kobe, all had their dynasties under the salary cap.
Does Rosenthal have shoulders?
No. Born without shoulders and spine
Lol
He's only about 3ft nothing!
@@CASABaJA true, surprised he hasn’t blown away yet.
So what’s the punishment for teams not spending?
They get a free tax-funded stadium
Losing
@@boog91174 losing for them is profitable. So what’s the punishment
Yes many smaller market could spend more then they do and in years past they did but they realized that they still could not spend enough to win so they just make more money so the top 25% of players do well with current system but not so much with the bottom 75% , also in over thirty years only one world series winner with a payroll in the bottom half.
Dodgers are going after players who are willing to buy into a winning culture. Choosing to defer and handing out large signing bonuses it helps the team. The Patriots were able to win 6 Super Bowl because Tom Brady was unselfish. Just like the Dodgers superstars
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I like Ken a lot, I wish that he didn't have to work with Alanna Rizzo 🤢
@@ralelunarwhat’s wrong with Alanna?
Regardless of the money, it still comes down to the player and where they want to play. If you got a crappy stadium, fan base, incentives, players aren't gonna want to play there. Buehler just told the A's to pound sand cause he doesn't want to play in Sacramento. Tampa is now in that situation, because of the stadium issues. So even if they "Show me the Money" most players are not gonna bite because they want to play for winning teams and teams that have nice stadiums and and give them incentives.
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That’s what I’m saying but these idiots saying “your owner needs to spend more” are delusional. Why would you choose a small market team when you can go to the dodgers for the same money and most likely win a championship.
Hahah I love it to see fans crying about it, Put that anger and tears towards your favorite teams OWNER! Dodgers are doing what they’re supposed to do period!
It's badass that the Dodgers are FINALLY acting like a big market team. I'm loving it! 💯
I mean these fans act like the dodgers have won the past 10 seasons.
It's funny seeing people complain about the Dodgers spending, as if that isn't the whole concept of professional sports. You pay to win, that's always been the theme for professional sports leagues
Yea ruining baseball
Snell starts off like a turtle in March. Ends up unhittable in September. So just plan for that.
I can almost guarantee the real reason people are upset is because the Dodgers win. If they hadn't won a couple championships people would just call them a joke and laugh at their spending. Watch other front offices try to emulate what the Dodgers do.
Whats funny , Before Snell signed with the Giants last year. He was looking for a long term deal and no one wanted to offer him the contract. Even the 182 mill right now. Teams didn’t wanna give it to him but all of a sudden Dodgers said ok we’ll give u a long term contract. Everyone is up and arms about it. There were plenty of times other Teams could have signed him but they didn’t...Also, Deffered contract is not exclusive to Dodgers. All MLB teams can do the same,. Actaully deffered contracts has been happening for more than 30 yrs. that's why there was the Bobby Bonilla contract.
Deferral not only about tax, since you have to pay in the next 10 years, the expenses will also include the next 10 years player’s salary. How can you overcome? So the market value is also a very important consideration for the deferral.
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Stop with the participation trophy mindset already. To quote Slider from Top Gun: "Remember, boys, no points for second place" 🤣
Exactah Mundo!
If you change the PV discounting rules, you might as well just ban deferrals. The Dodgers are absolutely not doing this for cash flow reasons, they do the deferrals to save on CBT payroll. They can give these guys higher AAV contracts while staying below a certain CBT level and/or minimize their CBT liability. Without that incentive for the team, you're just going to see lower AAV which is exactly why the Union likes them now. The owners would likely to have to make major concessions elsewhere. I don't think anything changes, with a few exceptions fans are still showing up for the games and the rest of the owners are happy to cash these fat CBT checks from the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, etc while spending as little possible on their own team
Without the deferrals that $70M/yr would have been lowered closer to the NPV they are using to calculate the CBT. It's hilarious to argue it should be taxed at 70 when it wouldn't even be that without the deferral. Either way, they pay the same tax.
What’s not fair is how they have been able to defer almost $1 billion since 2020. They defer exponentially more than other teams spend. They don’t get as hurt against yearly payroll numbers and tax impacts because players are willing to defer so much to be a part of a super team where players won’t do that for other teams. Get rid of the deferrals, and it would be way less of an issue.
That's absolutely a lie by Ken Rosenthal.
The contract given to Ohtani was created by Ohtani and his representatives. He was offering it to any team that signed him, so that's a bold-faced lie by Rosenthal about the Dodgers manipulating the deferrals between the luxury tax and actual state taxes.
Be a man be accountable, stop it Rosenthal.
Shohei Ohtani wants to AT LEAST 5-peat😂
Sounds like a joke?😢
Or Sounds like Reality 😅😂🎉
DYNASTY incoming 😅😂
Doubt it
@martingalvez4097 Take caution ⚠️
Shohei will find your lack of faith disturbing😵💫
Anyone who doubts Shocked will pay dearly 🙄
As long as teams like the pirates, rays, A's, rockies, cubs, white Sox, reds, royals, orioles, marlins. All these teams have money to make there team there billionaire's that don't spend there money to either compete or win. MLB owners are the worst in terms of spending there money. Angels spend there money stupid but at least there spending money on players.
their, they're
I hate to be a grammar Nazi. Your first sentence isn’t a sentence. It’s a fragment. It’s their, not there (many times). It’s billionaires, not billionaire’s.
Put a salary floor for every team.. if you dont spend to that minimum for 3 years consecutive then the owners have to sell the team.. keep them trying to be competitive for the owners if you want to stay you got to pay .
Every team had the opportunity to sign him, it's just down to greed and ownership not wanting to spend money. They all got money from the world series money pool.
The disparity of have and have nots is NOT greater now. The 90s yanks pay gap was way bigger. Decades before that teams would bully themselves to have all the stars. This gets inflated because of Ohtani deals, and multiple teams agreed to those terms he just chose the Dodgers.
a lot of teams offer contracts to these same players.
the players choose The Dodgers because its a sure bet they are championship contenders still and will be for some time.
the way I see it is the players who really want to be champions are going and players that really just want a payday are not.
Shohei not only deffering but also winning a title year one with The Dodgers is making LA look real nice these days.
It’s still baseball. Anything can happen in a 3 or 5 game series or any tournament. The fans and reporters are all raising these questions about what’s good for the game and competitiveness,etc…. But the owners are the ones to whom the questions need to be asked. Are their incentives aligned with the fans? The players? The sport at large? If the owners claim they want to win but cannot because of their market or the rules of MLB, then they need to open their books and prove it. They won’t do it, and that tells us all we need to know
Shopping for MLB free agents these days is like buying concert tickets. You just don't get a whole lot for your money anymore.
I’m all for the dodgers signing Snell but if an argument for it is that they played a lot of bullpen games Snell isn’t it. I read that he had the least amount of innings pitched for pitchers who had at least 211 starts
No point in a salary cap if you aren't going to do a salary floor and open accounting for revenue sharing dollars
I’m ok with a salary cap, as long as it comes with a salary floor that is 85-90% of that cap. The teams that will never spend are far more detrimental to the game than the teams like the Dodgers that will spend all the money in the world.
Dodgers tried to do it the “right way” and everyone called them choke artist.
Now there pissed.
Free market speaks 🗣️
Why not lift the CBT on small market teams (the league already know the numbers what each team makes), so at least they don’t get penalized for wanting to spend on their players if they go over a so called luxury tax. Cuzz obviously large market teams like the dodgers don’t care if they’re paying double because they are still making money. $320 million media rights/year vs a team only getting like $40 million is ridiculous.
Small market fan bases whine about this and say their team can’t afford to sign expensive players yet those same markets sign mega contracts in other sports. It’s the owners that refuse to pay and need to be held to a minimum annual salary.
There are no Have Nota in baseball. There are billionaires who invest in their teams and billionaires who pocket as much money as they can.
Bad mistake for Giants Giants will finish 2025 5 games BELOW 500. If unwilling to spend $182 million for Snell, Soto is out.
This will push Burns contract higher
While the Yankees are wasting their time on a Soto deal, the Dodgers, an already good team is getting better.
EVERY SINGLE MLB TEAM could have done the same thing. The issue is the owners cheapness and many of them just using their team as a piggy bank. Don't hate the Dodgers for wanting to win
There’s nothing that the Dodgers can buy that the Mets and Yankees can’t.
Why don’t the dodgers just sign Soto, Burnes,Fried, Adames and every other free agent.
Only 9 at bats in a game or… muahhahaha!!!
Be patient
Blame Scott Boras not the Dodgers. Had he not delayed signings last year this would have had a completely different outcome.
And yet the NFL is much more likely to have a dynasty than MLB
Parity is death for any sport!!!! It is good to have the big bad team!!!
Look, baseball doesn't need a cap because in the playoffs, any team can win. We've seen the Dodgers flaming out at the first round of the past 2 seasons. Unlike the NBA or NFL, the best team don't always win it all. I'd even argue that it's a crapshoot to win in the baseball postseason. Therefore, it doesn't really do anything to have a cap. If Dodgers proceeded to win 5 out of the next 5 championships then ask me again.
Does anybody care what the rest of baseball and their small market thinks. As a Dodger fan I could care less. Dodgers are about to form a dynasty. 4 titles in the next 5 years is what I predict.
This dude is an apologist. If he says negative things he my not get the same privileges that other writers may get.
why does trevor may have the sexiest looking setup but nothing on that green screen?
It's only bad when the other owners refuse to spend and pocket the profits...don't blame the dodgers cuz they spend what they make
Mr. Otani and his 700 million with his deferral destroyed baseball
Baseball needs a salary cap. Simple as that.
Most teams are cheap af... Art Moreno is terrible does nothing to help his team. The players will go where the $ is period take that away and there will be a shut down.
Dodgers hurting baseball mlb needs a salary cap
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Get ready for a lockout in 2 years
No ball player is worth anywhere near what they are getting offered. The owners were jerks years ago when salaries were reasonable and they went ballistic.
Bring back Teo!
Snell is a Dodgers need? Ohtani, Yamamoto, Glasnow, May, And a highly possible acquisition of Roki Sasaki and they need Snell? Even as a Dodgers fan that's a stretch to say they needed Snell. Having possibly six starters that can be #1-#3 on any team is ridiculously unfair to the rest of the league.
They need a big lefty arm. So did they need Snell? Maybe not but this is the Dodgers and they definitely filled a need by signing a big lefty arm. So why not go for the guy they’ve coveted for 5 years? The deal filled a need and put the league on notice that they’re not stopping anytime soon. Also worth noting Ohtani prefers pitching in a 6 man rotation and that’s what their after
@@btomlinson21 Yamamoto also needs the 6 man rotation.
@@btomlinson21 Doesn't Kershaw have a player option for next season too? I just think it's getting a bit ridiculous in how stacked they are now. Winning a ring is almost a given even with some injuries.
MLB can't be compared to NFL. There is no local television coverage for the NFL. That is the largest differentiator between large market teams and small market teams. The NBA presents itself as a better comparison.
This is squarely an MLB problem. Manfred is retiring soon. Do the right thing and punish the losers that milk the league for money. Fisher, Nutting, etc.
It’s great foe the game. MLB needs to remove the Cheapo owners and replace them with whales who actually love the city and teams. Case in point; Dewitt is worth $4B. No salary cap, but definitely a floor is needed.
You do not need a salary cap. You need to eliminate or put substantial restrictions on deferrals.
They don't to compete
If there’s a salary cap then there should be a salary basement. Enough of team packing money and crying poor. If your market can’t compete then you don’t deserve a team. All owners are billionaires
Ken Rosenthal is always wrong and a loser. This is bad for baseball when Snell is quoted multiple times "I hate the dodgers" and signs with them because they over paid. For reference I am a fan of a big market team
Get rid of cheap owners
Oof, Ken
Ohtani is NOT making $70,000,000 a year. He's making $46,000,000 and that's what the Dodgers are being taxed on.
Terrible take.
Ok, stop using Ohtani as a example. He is a unicorn and selfless. Most baseball and other sports, especially, in the US are GREEDY.They want all their money upfront. I want to see another player come close to deferring 68 of 70m. Please.
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A bunch of whiners on here man. Yankees did it for decades. Dodgers JUST now started spending money. They started their run by developing their own guys like Bellinger, Seager, Smith, etc. And they let Seager WALK, because they weren’t a “money spender” just yet. So now that they have made that transition, we have this “is it good for the game” questions. lol please
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The nfl players union is way weaker than the mlb union.
Question to all of you pissing and moaning about “fair play”… where are you buying all of your Christmas gifts online? Might it be Amazon? Are you pissing and moaning that we should break up Amazon’s monopoly (something that would actually benefit you?”
Nah… this is America Jack! Amazon, Google and Apple are good for you and so are the Dodgers!
Ask MLB if they want another Rangers versus Diamondbacks World Series?
I’m fine with no salary cap but the deferrals should go and there should be a floor cap though. I know deferrals have been around a long time but it’s only a matter of time teams start taking advantage of it like we are starting to see. I get ownerships like it but remove the deferrals and the way teams have to approach free agents changes.
The players are the ones that have to agree to the deferrals. This was added in by both the players and owners to the CBA. The Guggenheim group just have created an absolute monster of wealth by investing into the team. The amount of money they’ve put into the stadium, minor league player development and free agency is the standard every team should be shooting for. I’m not a dodgers fan but I do respect business and the Guggenheim Group are the big swinging dicks in the room and the rest of the owners are holding the camera in the corner
Nope.Dodgers don't force no one to defer.They give them the contract and the player accepts it.
they (glasnow,snell...) just want to play with Ohtani. Shohei Ohtani can share most of the pressure of other stars, which is the most important thing. If the salaries were the same, I would choose the Dodgers without even considering it.not yankees,mets,sd...(team culture ,vitriolic fans...)
Honestly, your team just isn't attractive to star players. When you are unwilling to spend money to sign Shohei Ohtani, you are already doomed to fail. So, stop moral kidnapping