6 Things I Wish I knew earlier about - Barbarian Invasion
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- Опубликовано: 31 дек 2019
- Welcome, to 6 things that I wish I knew about the game, Rome Total War: Barbarian Invasion, much much Earlier.
I am not saying that all these you will not know, or took a while to figure out, but it is just my list of 6 random things, in no particular order, about stuff I wish I know earlier.
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Remember, this is just stuff I wish I knew earlier. Not a "6 things you don't know" video. I got a few annoyed comments on my last one, that's why I am making it clear here. : )
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About the Number 1. The Peasants - It's not 50% less, it turned out to be more like 33% less. And yes, they cost 3 times the price of Limitarni, I still stand by my point that Limitarni are the better option, as Public Order will be more important than money.
Money is easy to get, whereas public order a difficult to control. (Except in the first few turns, peasants may be the option)
MELKOR people can’t read just say screw it
Are you on the dole?
After googling what that means, no. YT + uni funding covers everything.
@@MelkorGG ah nice. I thought you were way older but you must be young.
21, Research Masters Student.
Number one on my personal list,pretending the hordes are not there and hoping they will go away by themselves is not a viable way of defending your empire.
At that point, I would just say “Eff it, I’m playing the Celts.”
Funnily enough, if you go and build forts in all of the passes, the AI, if not at war, doesn’t understand that it can’t walk through forts
Spurius Flavius: the Most Christian Man Who Ever Christian-ed
Now that is a Many a True Nerd Reference! XD
Poor Marcus the Gambler though
matnnnn!!
@@Lo-tf6qt yeah, he died like a hero defending Aquincum from wave after wave of hordes and eastern romans
@@goganii wasn’t it the eastern romans I swear? Or the Goths
Something I wish I'd known about Rome: invest in your sewers! People get real shitty about a lack of hygiene infrastructure.
Literally the first thing I develop in every town
Badum-tsss
As a person who is new to total war, walls are indeed very valuable in Barbarian Invasion. Recently, played as the Vandals, I had recently settled in Iberia from the Romans, and then the some tribe-cannot remember which one-sieged one of my settlements. I had a very weak army in that city, and that the balance thingy was totally not in my favor, but the walls totally saved me. I had set my infantry on the walls and destroyed their infantry. As a result, I had won the siege and gave me time to recruit a stronger force. Walls are friends
When he was saying barrackses he was sounding like Frodo saying hobbitses
You mean Gollum?
Something I wish I knew about BI is that unlike in vanilla Rome TW, academies and walls boost law/public order! Which is incredibly helpful when you're trying to juggle what you need--especially since boosting law also reduces corruption and can boost income (which I also only recently learned).
Don't keep Spurius Flavius in Aquincum. Send him into Greece immediately while you are still allied with eastern Rome. Converting eastern Romes pagan provinces will cause them to rebel after a few turns.
Normally they would start attacking you by turn 10, but with Greece rebelling they will have to deal with the rebels first.
Also keep your military buildings in Rome, it has a fully upgraded archer range and blacksmith making archers trained in Rome almost twice as strong compared to base units.
I hadn't though of that kind of religious sabotage, defintely gonna try it next time. Thanks!
Great tip with the general i never tried this
Why?
Keep him around to convert the Pagan land up north. Alemani, Frank, Saxon, then go east to Lombardi.
With him in a general stack, u could convert a province in 2 turn
One thing that I kept repeating back in the day is the difference of attacking with missiles on the side that the unit does not have the shield, to bypass it. If you missile attack from that flank, it causes far greater damage than from the front or flank with shield.
Check your unit export file for unit statistics and attributes. Anything in BI labeled "is_peasant" does not give full public order when garrisoned. Several units including herdsmen for example are marked is_peasant in addition to the normal peasant unit. I've had limitanei route before even making contact with the enemy, so I don't have any experience with them holding a line for an extended period, but I agree they aren't meant to be an offensive unit. They're a fodder unit meant to die in place of more expensive troops.
If you're coming to BI after playing vanilla, keep in mind there's a huge amount of unit rebalancing. In vanilla, Rome is meant to be dominant. Most of their troops besides having high attack and defense stats also usually have good morale and good stamina. In BI, Rome isn't ridiculously OP anymore. Comies have decent enough stats, but they only have average morale and stamina. They will break much more quickly than what you may be used to for Roman troops, and they're quite a bit more expensive than the Marian units from vanilla.
about the limitanei routing. Maybe you were using the wrong Commander. There is one that looks good with 5 stars, but he has every negative morale malus there is (-9 morale in combat if I remember correctly).
@@andreasteucke3090 Possibly. But given that this happened to me with campaigns as both the WRE and ERE on multiple fronts with several different generals and captains rather than just Gratianus, it's more likely that limitaei suck and shouldn't be used for anything tactical other than pushing rams and chump blocking.
I did not know the part about peasants. Very helpfull
6:45 Decimus Flavius: THE BEST Character to be Emperor in the West in this Game.
Is that from a Many a True Nerd Video? Sounds like it XD
@@MelkorGG Lol no. Thats how I always played the game lol. I would inherit Decimus first thing, and try to get the Emperor you start with killed.
That's the character I always forget about.
@@jimsouch8632 lmao I remember he had archers as his bodyguard and he started out on the front line. He was like the worst possible field commander.
@@jimsouch8632 yeah if you do tho make sure he fights NO BATTLES, overall, he has a -13 morale for all soldiers and i learned that the hard way trying to take out the Alemanni early game because they charged with one unit of regular spearmen on my 3 units of legionaires and they almost immeditly broke the first one and chain reaction made me lose the battle. Thank you for coming to my ted talk
It's 2020. People play this game from 2004, film it and it gets 35k views. RTW FTW
All Rome will be amaaazed at such a victory, the day is ouuurss
There's one thing you need to know about the horse archer hordes: stone towers beat horse archer hordes. Let them besiege you, sally out and make them pursue you around the walls.
On Very Hard the AI will upgrade to gold units. A good word of advice.
Just got Rome Total War BI for Mobile. I’m glad you posted this video, all that you’ve mentioned here will be very valuable to know because I’ve constantly had an issue with building up my economy and handling public order when playing with the Eastern Roman Empire. Watching this, this would definitely improve my issues in it!
Dealing with hordes is easier if you have generals with night battle ability, you only have to fight one stack at a time.Useful for siege battles and bridge battles.It is listed under their traits profile.
So, I don't think I ever Realized any of this stuff... And I've played that Game for Hundreds and hundreds of hours.
so it is worth playing?
@@maxmagnus777 I certainly think so.
At least half of them I did no knew, nice content
I'm surprised you didn't wish you knew earlier that some units can swim in Barbarian Invasion, considering you only found that out during your demonstration of that World War 2 mod. I guess you didn't find swimming that useful.
I knew about it very early on.
But it had been a while since I played BI when I picked up WW2 Mod, so I had partly forgotten about the mechanic, during the time of that video.
I didn't know about the peasants mate, thanks for the tip and congrats for the 7k subs!
About peasants and the Public order! The real difference is even more drastic! It is actually 125% increasing if we go from peasants to Limitanei, respectivley 55% decreasing if we go the other way around. The reason is simple. The Public order system in Rome/Barbarian Invasion is not affected by the raw number of units(as in the new games), but rather by the real number of soldiers, garrisoned. So lets say for example, 1 unit of peasants which is 240 men, gives you 10% PO, while 1 unit of Limitanei being 160 gives you 15% PO. If we evaluate we will get that for the same number of men - 480 peasants increase PO with 20%, while 480 Limitanei increase it with 45%(even though 480 Limitanei are 3 units, while 480 peasants are only 2 units.) And that difference is crucial if we want to recruit troops for garisson services form a settlement with scarse population. Population is the most important resource in the old TW games, not the money, and that's why they are fascinating.
20 ballista chariots vs 20 ballista chariots is a ton of fun.
the problem with crossbow units in barbarian invasion is that they cannot fire over the head of units. I don't know if anyone has the same problem, when I place them behind my spearmen they get 4,5 kills and when I put them in front and withdrawl them after the enemy gets close, they get tens of kills
I would like to add some things: Foundries are the best building for your military units. both autobattle and while doing personal battles the added armor keeps your morale much sturdier. a stack of silver quality equipped comitatenses can wipe an entire horde faction on auto battle.
secondly: the farms are generally a faustian bargain. sure they add income for now, but they cost you 5% public order per level. it is better to have higher taxes and lower farming output than to have lower taxes and higher farming yields. Think about why Carthage and Alexandria are public order messes... its their farming output that grows their population into the skies. not only does each farming level give 5% of squalor, the increased population will make your garrison public order bonus count for less.
In a playthrough: a full stack of peasants in a city costs minimally to upkeep, but at long as your total public growth is lesser than 10% in total, then they willyield 30% public order. one you go higher they quickly fall down to 10%. that is where they start being rebellious shits. the counter could as he says be to use Limitanei, but the limitanei has a wildly higher upkeep, making your public order cost massive ammounts of money.
through this you can calculate the public order for all settlements, and decide wether to build a farm or not. Decide which your capital would be.
if your goal is to paint the entire map, Salona is the optimal capital. If you are recreating the roman borders, Rome is the best capital. if you are reviving the WRE, Massilia is the best, for ERE cyprus is the best.
Enjoy your perpetually stable cities.
I'd never considered using limintani in my battles, but they look like they'd be very useful for budget armies. A main line of limintani with comititenses or cavalry on the flanks should be really effective
Are you gonna do a version of this video for say,Medieval 2?I didn't really know these things about Barbarian Invasion and this video was really interesting,so i would love to see some Medieval 2 "hidden tips".Also,happy new year MELKOR!
Yes, one for medieval 2 is already recorded.
Should go up Tuesday or Wednesday. : )
Love to see the channel grow!
theres a thing with melkors voice, maybe its his accent. its really soothing
Peasants are so dirt cheap i still spam em out, and if you have a blacksmith in your town they can actually do well if you keep them in the town square, I have won several battle with just peasants while defending.
To be fair, if you know what you are doing you can play as Western Rome on Very Hard without any revolting settlement.
I did not even lost a single one, you must have some sound strategy for hordes at the start but you can play BI as WRE without loss of a settlement.
I turtled into italy while keeping africa. My left side had rebels fighting barbarians for 50+ turns. Spain is useless money pit for long time.
Cant wait for the med 2 one
Ayyy he mentioned the Mobile users!
Madwolf 096 Mobile rtw here
Michael Weston same
Madwolf 096 they need to re-introduce online Lan servers so we can play multiplayer battles.
Word up 😂😂
@@michaelweston409 I would kick your ass
over pop you can train stacks of pesents and disband them in a crappy province or maybe the sea on a boat i have not tryed that but you can reduce pop quite fast or if you have a good army near just force a reblellion and exterminate the pop if your buldings are maxed out, it will refresh for a while.
Are you going to do another video (like this) for Rome total war: Alexander?
Maybe not Alexander, as there's not much there, compared to the other titles.
But Medieval 2, Napoleon and Attila are certainly going to happen. : )
Good job
11. It's not about *if* the Celts are gonna bribe Eboracum or Londinium, it's about *when* they are gonna do it (usually as soon as you take your troops out of town).
Walls can kill your soldiers if it falls on them! Also, as I recall, if you transfer soldiers between fleets at see, some of the units might drown. Might have been a bug tho
Diocletian and Constantine disbanded the Praetorian guard and established the Limitanei for frontier fighting and Comitatensis for fighting with the emperor
I wandered what the limitanii were for! 😂
It turns out they're for must things!
Please do Julius Caesar TW Journey, maybe even use Roma surrectum mod for it would be cool regardless would like to see it maybe in separate parts if you’d like one in Gaul one in the civil war or all together the Hannibal one was cool
Sadly they get no where near good views.
Journey video take around 20-30 hours and usually get 1K-3K views.
Ai Battles, let's plays, these type of "things I wish I knew earlier" videos all take less than one hour and usually get was more views.
Although, in separate parts could work.
@@MelkorGG Thanks for the reply its whatever you'd like but I think it would be really cool
Melkor have you ever played Alexander total war? Ive had it for years and I just played it. It starts hard you dont have any money but once you get going its fun. Worth a quick play
Yep, and it's great fun. Issue is, I player it recently, off camera, and it's not that replayable, unlike RTW which you can do one campaign after another and have it different.
I hope to stream it sometime though in the future, if I get the internet. : )
@@MelkorGG yeah no ability to replay but it would be cool to stream. Was very hard and fun on legendary every battle mattered. Also video idea. Army compositions. I see to many people with awful army compositions and or asking for advice. And few videos about it to show them. People dont understand you need a balanced army.
Can some one explain if shield wall is useful against infantry or just cav charges
Those city walls are comicky huge. Isnt there a mod that decrease the size a little ?
How do you unlock the siege maps on custom battles ? @melkor
i would have thought you were insane as a child. my western rome campaigns were true chaos
I found out the peasants public order thing while playing Berbers.
As western rome. Destroy ALL or at least all the high tier boats, you won't be needing them much.
I never end up building farms much in Rome because the population growth makes public order harder. Am I missing a lot of money doing this?
I usually just build the first farm for the same reason. I'll max my Capital but that's it.
Limitanei and good morale? Lol. Theyre basically town watch with some armor
Team limitarni it seems Melkor!
LIMITARNI ARE OP!!!!
XD
Early game, they get a lot of unnecessary hate, I think.
No idea about the ports or peasants. Thanks
i always destroy buildings of a settlement whenever i get besieged and i know i cannot fend the attacker off.
Also, how can you run Rome total war so smoothly? For me (I have Windows 10 and all of the other stuff in my computer should be enough to run a game from 2004) It's just so laggy... Do you have any suggestions about how to "fix" this problem?
I have something called a d3d8 file. (There's other videos on that, how to install what it does.)
My game went from about 2-3 fps, to around 20. : )
@@MelkorGG Thank you for answering. I'm going to try it out.👍
Old games in general have difficulty running on win8 8.1 and 10. I run Rome tw on my win 7 PC and it runs without any issue. Comparability mode can help but it's not an absolute fix.
whats the name of the last song in the video ?
It's called "Contemplation" it's part of the RTW soundtrack.
Lets see what I dont know :D
the garrison bonus goes down real fast the more population the city has. so no...u always need more peasants relative to regular units for the same public order.
Somebody could please tell me how to install a "4 gb patch thing" for Med 2 Kingdoms?.I heard it's kind of necessary if I want to play any "big" mods.
google Large Address Aware , you should find techpowerup.com which explains how this works , you can find links for it at Moddb.com or techpowerup.com amongst others, happy new year
@@roygrutchfield5715 Thank you very much, and happy new year.
Paganism is best for WRE hands down
I never liked playing as either roman faction because it was too easy starting out with a huge empire. I honestly never understood how people have public order problems, for the most part I just lowered taxes and moved garrisons around without any issues... ai is also really dumb. Even if i lost a city or two to hordes they were easy to get back a few turns later and the horde was gone.
Crossbows dont work for me, they shoot but theres no arrows, unless theres a fix, dont get them
Ok so I can't seem to find any merchants for any faction I choose. I start off with the other basics. Assassin. Diplomat and Spy always. And Other than the Roman empires which don't get merchants, I still can't find out how to get them in other factions. I play the android Version by the way. Help
There's no Merchants in the game at all.
Merchants are in the Remaster on PC, but in the original and mobile port, no Merchants.
@@MelkorGG why the heck is there Resources all over the map then like Wine and Ores and Lumber. Lol It even tells you that it's a great valuable resource. Awwww man. Thanks Melkor. I'll just stick to the Medieval Kingdoms 1212 Cuz that's All I really play now lmao
@@FuzzyNova The city that holds those resources auto takes profit from them and auto-trades then bringing in more income.
The original was made back in 2004, so they had to cut corners so it could run.
@@MelkorGG ok cool so it still sort of works for each city. Thank you. And Yeah Im amazed that they even were able to put Barbarian Invasion and Rome 1 on mobile. They did a fantastic job. It's the closest thing to medieval II on mobile we will get.
Although if they were able to fit all that into a pretty easy to use interface then I would not be surprised if medieval II was released on mobile phones in the future. Can you imagine?
Random But I am 31 and started Gaming On PC about 7 years back. But I was really only into a few games. Skyrim and MechWarrior Online. And I didn't ever really pay attention to the total war franchise ever. So one day when I saw one of your videos and pixelated appolos I was blown away. This was probably 2 years ago.
So... Like anyone I looked to see which one I should buy first.
Did my research and At the time I believe that Three kingdoms was about to come out or maybe thrones of Britannia or something.
I'm not into Warhammer since I don't follow the Lore. I am into Elder scrolls tho
Anyways I researched and came to the conclusion that I should start off with an older title and work my way up.
So I got medieval II definitive edition super cheap. Since My PC RIG isn't insanely High tech It was an easy choice.
(I run a HP pavilion Tower with a Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 crammed inside paired with a AMD Ryzen 5 Vega Processor. So it's the perfect little gaming PC for someone like me)
After I got medieval II and put thousands of hours into it I found out about the Third age divide and conquer...(I played only that for months until I found Elder scrolls total war...and love it just as much) after the fresh feeling from.those simplistic yet somehow beautiful Graphics and It's asthetic wore off I bought another title.
This time I wanted a gunpowder total war game and the modding community and mods are always Something I have hugely in mind when looking.
My options of course were slim.
Empire. Napoleon or or.. I'm glad I looked. Or Fall of samurai Shogun II.
It was the hardest decision to make but ultimately I went with shogun II fall.of. samurai.
Was terrified once I played the vanilla Version the.first hour because I thought I made a mistake from.the sad pathetic amount of units per faction. This is important to me as I'm a huge custom battles Machinima Maker fan.
But luckily I went on.the.mod store and downloaded a bunch of mods that added hundreds of new units to the game. Amazing amazing game.
So after that got stale I purchased my most recent total war game. And the choice was hard.
I had bought Warhammer 2 and immediately asked for a refund after ten mins. Hated the interface and the alien like Battle Mechanics and options. Not for me.
So I had thrones and Attila in mind. Which one... I saw Atilla had The Rise of Mordor mod and The medieval Kingdoms 1212 among many more. So I got that instead.
I haven't even played Atilla yet and Have over 1200 hours in the game just with rise of Mordor and Medieval Kingdoms 1212.
Beautiful Amazing. The options of units and factions for 1212 AD made me gitty.
Rise of Mordor can have alot of factions if you download the right mods but now they just added an easy All in one installer that boots all the current mods made by their team into it. Fun.
So that's where I'm at now. Next I'll probably go for empire or Napoleon. I don't know which one tho
@@FuzzyNova Napoleon 100%, Empire is still pretty buggy and needs Darthmod to get close to working right.
4:00 thats a bad idea , you are most likely having a rebillion sooner or later and what i do is destroying everything in avaricum (that city nearly always revolts) , making the taxes there high and everywhere else low so only 1 city revolts in the first 2-3 turns ,which can only produce peasants and now you can destroy and massacre a rebell peasant faction which brings you like 14.000 denarii ++
call it controlled destruction in most games i only have 1 rebellion in turn 2-3
oh and pro tipp as western rome make the heir Pagan and kill the emperor as fast as possible
and put your capitol round arles , this shortens the distance to capitol (so bonus loyalty )and this also doubles your income because thats how corruption works in RTW
if you have christians left f*****K conversion send them to the alemanni in one huge stack and never attack the alemanns so no horde emerges , its just to annoy them
(the 2 christians in the broder cities are usally cool and can stay where they are and islands dont have religious influence from neighboring territories so all eastern romans should have a pagan warrior bonus island )
another pro tipp if you pay the other half of the empire (doesnt matter which one as long you are roman) 200 denarii for 20 turns right in the beginning of the game they will not attack you for quite some time , have a diplomat which lives there to remake this deal every 2 turns or so and you dont have to worry about the other emperor for at least 40-50 turns
and on a final note normal stone walls with 12 cheap archers 2 comitatenses 6 limitatei can kill an entire 5 army horde if placed correctly , just the 12 cheap archers alone can cause up to 3.500 casualties for a horde army
The Alemanni are among the few factions that don't horde in Barbarian Invasion.
If you defeat the alemani early on, and have 1 army in Vicus Alemani, one in Augusta Treverorum, and 1 in Vindelecorum you're pretty much barbarian-proof. Especially if you build forts on all the river crossings and put 1 unit of peasants or limitanei or archers in them.
@@doncolasanti9487 :) just build few forts on the rhine and deal with the berbers first to secure your flank,,,i get the vibe:)
Fun Fact : i did not know that barbarian invasion had a mobile version (of i i did i have forgotten)
Can you unlock all factions on this expansion?
yesx
Cool.
I thought this was going to be about the barbarian invasion of roma lmao
Wut?
oserger gfd I thought it was going to be a history video, not a total war video
@@buttnuttz6119 oh sorry, didnt understood you because this is the invasion of rome wasnt thinking about history, im sorru
I got the game because their designs looked really medieval, and that was awesome for my roleplaying
I like your accent.
So do peasants still give 100% public order in the base game campaign?
In Rome Total War, yes. Peasants provide the normal 100% level. Same in Alexander, Med 2, and Med 2 DLC.
The 33% less, or whatever it is, only seems to for Barbarian Invasion.
MELKOR Probably intentional patch by developers.
Question : Attila or Barbarian invasion?
Ooh, that is a tough one.
Barbarian Invasion is more fun for me, but Attila has more replayabilty as there's more ways to approach the campaign side, in my opinon.
@@MelkorGG why everybody hates Attila ?
No clue. I would say Attila is probably the 3rd Best TW game of them all.
The difficulty can be annoying at times, but overall, I got no issue with it.
@@ShadowMinnie I have never liked "Horde" Mechanic on any total war game.
I prefer static easily manageable cities.
That's weird. I can run Shogun 2 and Attila on highest.
But my PC struggles with Rome 2 and cannot crashes frequently with Warhammer. XD
I still think peasants are cheaper public order maintenance if you play as a non Roman faction because barbarian peasants are even cheaper. (and stronger too)
Yeah, they are cheaper. The rules seems to be: go with peasants, unless you are desperate for quick public order, then go Limitarni and spam peasants in the que to decrease population. Next turn Limitarni will spawn giving you that 10% extra.
4:58
How to change religion from Catholic to paganism?
Maybe it's just me, but I consider destroying buildings a cheese tactic because:
1. The AI will never do it unless it's of a different culture
2. It feels really artificial - imagine destroying the barracks in your most built up provinces - from a roleplaying perspective it doesn't sit right
3. There aren't any mechanisms in place to stop the player from abusing it. You can take an enemy settlement that you know you can't hold just because the enemy is out of place, destroy all buildings and escape.
It's a strategy
I know you were talking about different game but in empire tw unluckily you cant sack a city but always you occupy after winning the battle which is not realy pleasant
i picked western roman empire and the eastern roman empire decared war on me after like 30 turns it made the campaigne imposible for me
Alliances matter. If you suck at diplomacy or you are too strong early, they attack you. I turtled in Italy and kept africa. That made me strong but not so strong it looked like i only needed Constantinople to win the campaign
Who only plays the ERE in BI
Make Istanbul Constantinople again!
Peasants are less effective, but still cheaper to use. When money is very tight eg WRE campaign probably the better option imo. steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1639724696
Wait they got peasants to be realistic at maintaining public order?
Are you from the North?
Yep. From Yorkshire, Northern England. : )
@@MelkorGG Like Richard Sharpe of "Sharpe's Rifles", supposed to be from?. I love the T.V. series and just starting the books.
wait wait wait... what...? barbarian invasion on mobile? what?
Yes, it released years ago - along with Rome 1 and Alexander mobile. Medieval 2 mobile edition released earlier this year.
@@MelkorGG finally a game i can play on road trips xd
What the... ports do absolutely nothing when you build them first, you build them later when you have high population and many sea settlements, the main reason why people build farms at first, is because they increase population growth, not because of the money, and ports are only good at the start in BI, because you already have loads of settlements with high population.
And what the hell was that mess about the units at the end? Limitanei have high defense, yes, but they have one of the lowest morale of any unit in the game and are infamus in the rome total war community for letting you down every single time you use them in battle, they break the moment they get too overwhelmed or even just when fighting in general. And comitatenses have extremely high defense and have the highest armour of any infantry unit in the game, together with the auxilia palatina and the plumbatarii, not counting the first cohort unit, and way higher than limitanei.
In BI the system works exactly like it works in vanilla rtw and it certainly is not a rock, paper, scissors system, there are many different units that are effective or weak against many different other units and some are even situational.
I'm sorry, but that was plain wrong information at the end there.
The Rock Paper Sccisor system is present, Spears do have an advantage vs Cav and so on.
What I was getting at is there is more cases for units been more focussed.
I was wrong when I said Comitatenses have low defence, I meant to say keep them safe as they are not the ones you want to lose. (As in, they are certainly NOT cannon fodder units)
Limitanei have high defence and low attack. Giving them a particular focus. No RTW unit has that. The attack -defence stats in RTW are mostly the same.
@@MelkorGG the main problem of vanilla is fast combat (too fast losing morale, too fast units dying, you cant use defensive button properly for more realistic battles). And here we getting that auxilia palatina (elite spearmen) dying with ease against medium swordsmen.
Thats why mods with slower combat are so great (EB, RTR, RS, XGM etc...). There spearmen in good position with defending button can hold for long even elite infantry (without doing any real damage, just holding), to let you outflank them.
The Limitanei are a bad unit in general, but considering that: they can be trained basically in every settlement (while Comitatenses needs Legion Barraks), they have a (limited) missile attack, they have good defence and, in comparison with others militia unit in RTW (Town Watch, Militia Hoplites, ecc.), their morale it's not that bad, Limitanei can be very useful if used wisely. In comparison with the militia units in RTW they are decent, so I don't agree with you.
@@MelkorGG What about spanish bull warriors (extremely high attack, low defense), or chosen axemen (the same), or any phalanx unit, particulary armoured hoplites (very high defense, lower attack)? These are some examples of stat wise clearly offensive or defensive units in rtw vanilla.
And when I say a rock, paper, scissors system is not present, is because there is not 1 unit that is effective against 1 other unit, and there is not a circle that closes itself. Yes, some units do have bonuses against other units, actually only spears vs cavalry and javelins vs elephants and chariots, but units that would be weak against other units, like archers, are actually strong against them if they are used correctly. Rome total war has some guidelines that say some units are meant to be used against others, but you can change the system by utilizing tactics.
@@dariocarcano1379 You are comparing a unit from BI to units from vanilla. Now compare limitanei to units of other factions in BI of the same tier. Every other first tier unit has better morale and in most cases even better stats than limitanei, which makes limitanei not a bad unit in general, but one of the worst first tier units in BI. Their high defense does nothing for them if they cannot kill anyone with ther laughable attack and cannot hold the line with their low morale.
1. Not playable on a modern computer.
Difficult to run, it is still playable.
@@MelkorGG oh hey! Thanks for producing content. I'm looking into tweaks to the resolution etc which im hoping will help, but as is, huge -scale battles involving two full stacks get really slow, to the point that i'd rather just play a different game because I lose so many troops due to mouse lag and screen-stuttering. It's especially hard when theres a lot of cav running around.
Search the d3d8 file, that fixed most issue for me. Also, don't bother with Huge army sizes, Large is better.
1. Path finding is horrible on Huge.
2. Modern computer struggle to calculate armies on huge and lag more.
1000 troops on large runs better than 500 troops on huge, it's a weird bug some computers have with RTW.
@@MelkorGG Good to know! Thanks
@@MelkorGG Yup, Huge sucks!.
Peasants are bad in battle
They are ok against missile fire and as cannon fodder to hold other units to charge them the same way Melkor uses the Limitanii though.
You only use them as garrison in settlements that either doesn't need defence, or can get cavalry reinforcements from a nearby settlement in case of a siege.
That or use them to handle siege equipment when there's missile units on the walls or a tower you absolutely can't avoid.
You can also buy them to move them to another settlement, then disband them for population and faster development, good in case you're capturing settlements too fast, or if it's an important settlement that could supply others with troops, or if it's in a chokepoinnt.
Limitanei is a total shit unit in teh game, useless in most scenarios u can think about. The only way they r ok is as a pilum thrower and when light cav attacks from the front! don't ever recruit them, only in the most dire of situations
Your pronunciation needs improvement