ANBU Kakashi being stronger than part one Kakashi always made so much sense to me. The idea of him always being on missions and fighting almost recklessly and then stopping and becoming rusty when he stops that makes him seem so much more human and cooler in my book! Cool video 🤍
Kakashi was weakened during Part I to the point Tsunade's reaction to his battle against Itachi and Kisame was "gettin' beat by just a couple of thugs, guess you were a human after all".
It makes perfect sense that this would be the case. We saw in the series that Minato wanted Kakashi in the Anbu to distract him from his trauma but it inadvertently made him more ruthless and powerful with a super active lifestyle of killing which is what hiruzen realized before he let him go from the anbu. Taking time off of years of the habit of killing at the highest level and as we saw all day he would just reflect on his previous actions being depressed all the time, it really takes a toll on ones mental health being stagnant for a while as he projected his failures on others by being extremely strict and failing all of his genin teams. If anything his lack of training and lack of use of chakra (while his constant active sharigan was draining him too) probably diminished his reserves by a lot as we see in later arcs that he's capable of using jutsu to a larger extent as he increased his chakra reserves or at least his efficiency in using jutsu. Bro started off with barely 2 chidoris a day. 1-2 Kamuis would leave him bedridden all the way to dozens of raikiris and kamuis in later arcs such as the pain and war arc and still being at full strength. On top of this we have to assume he was a shinobi who used a ton of different jutsu all the time because of his famous nickname which would mean he had a lot more chakra back then than in part 1 as we barely see him using variations of different jutsu. He probably only gained experience with age but lost a ton of power, chakra and speed that he eventually regained and surpassed his older self. If we wanna play the game of estimating I'd say an arc where he matched his old level of power would be during the Pain arc or 5 Kage summit arc and he surpassed his old self during the war arc with his insane feats as he was known as the most lethal non kage shinobi of his time during his anbu days (besides criminals like Orochimaru and Itachi of course). He's literally number 2 in the bingo book behind Orochimaru.
Kakashi was unbelievably rusty when he fought Zabuza in part one. He had very likely seen no combat since he was taken off of guard duty with Kushina. That’s over a decade with likely no combat and little to no training. Especially with the sharingan. It was practically like using it for the first time.. in part one apart from Zabuza and a brief fight with Itachi and Kisame, the only other combat missions are unknown ones from the end of part one. In the first part of shippuden, he fights Deidara with a handicap of Naruto going wild and trying to take him head on. He manages to do the same amount of damage to Deidara as Gaara does and he’s obviously at least low kage level by then. You could argue he is stronger than some of the first kage, but that’s unknown. He’s probably not stronger than most of the reanimated ones. By the war arc he is going toe to toe with Obito and he’s high kage level by then. If Kakashi is strongest when in ANBU or around there, then he was mid to high level kage
Well, Kakashi was in the ANBU until he was 21, so he definitely saw combat up through that point. But yeah your point about him being rusty stands with a 4-5 year gap.
I'd say beginning of Shippuden Kakashi should be firmly Kage level. Just a few weeks later he is able to combat Kakuzu who can brawl with Bijuu. Since we do know fighting makes You stronger in Naruto, it's possible Kakuzu fight Kakashi is stronger than beginning of Shippuden Kakashi by some margin, but it shouldn't be that drastic of a gap. And I think Kakuzu is firmly Kage level, so Kakashi should be too then. (Also just to clarify, I think Kakuzu is above Kakashi, I don't think they're equals, but I do think Kakashi is close enough to him to be considered Kage level.)
Ok but if we are admitting Kakuzu is still stronger than Kakashi, and Kakuzu is mid kage level…then that could easily still put Kakashi at high jonin level. He didn’t defeat Kakuzu on his own or do that much to him… Kakuzu kicked Kakashi through a forest, while his sharingan was activated, at the beginning of the fight. Kakuzu also manhandled Kakashi in close quarters, and blitzed with his threads after that. Kakuzu had Kakashi dead to rights twice before outside intervention stepped in. I don’t think Kakashi becomes clear Kage level until after the pain invasion. He does a good bit worse than Jiraiya against Pain, and Jiraiya is about mid Kage as well. And everyone agrees WA kakashi is obviously Kage level.
@@donovan4222 Kakazu off-guarded Kakashi once(since his focus was literally on Hidan after assuming Kakazu was dead) and after that was unable to really do any meaningful amounts of damage to him. Kakashi went out of his way to state that he still had Kamui up his sleeve in the manga, and said that he wasnt pushed to using it. (Meaning he likely would've used Kamui if Kakashi believed Kakazu actually came truly close to killing/harming him).
5:52 This is interesting news to a lifelong Kakashi fan. Either there's a timeline discrepancy in Naruto again (shocker) or Obito must have met Kakashi shortly after Sakuko died. Because Sakumo was there when Kakashi met Gai at the Academy
Kakashi was kage level before he was taken out of the anbu. His curse was lifted after reconciling with Obito. He was actually a monster in the anbu. The fall-off was so drastic that he was rendered an ineffective shinobi for 6 years until he was tasked with team 7 as rehab lol
this is pretty much completely headcanon. Theres no evidence he was ever anywhere near Kage level or any stronger than pt. 1 Kakashi who was relative to Kabuto
@@joshuajose4868 Why isn’t Orochimaru’s statement accurate? Kakashi was terrified of him and was stated to be relative to Kabuto, I see no reason to think anyone was lying
The panels/art you choose, the editing, the music selection. Bro, you’re goin CRAZYY. Always gonna dub w a Kakashi vid but this was an interesting discussion to highlight. Imagine if we got books on his anbu years similar in detailing to Itachi’s novels. 😭 Keep grinding goat, thanks for the fire content 👊🏼👊🏼
Subscribing for the channel name alone lol. i don't have time to watch this right now, but imma save it to my watch later for tonight. Channel seems dope man.
*My rough answer to the question of the week* Kakashi’s fight against the Akatsuki (Except Pre-timeskip Itachi) all serve as a great example of Kakashi’s prowess as a Kage level Shinobi. Deidara left furious solely because of Kakashi’s pestering, and even Kakuzu praised him during their fight. Pain wasted no efforts to be sure of Kakashi’s death. IIRC Kakashi was one of the the few Leaf Shinobi who wasn’t interrogated of Naruto’s whereabouts. Pain didn’t waste time to put him down. He also has prowess of all chakra natures, high battle IQ and more than 10 years of Jonin level experience. He could debatably be Kage level somewhere between pre-timeskip and Shippuden.
Your conclusion makes even more sense when you take into account the Power disparity between war arc Kakashi and pain arc Kakashi. Kakashi didn’t so much get stronger, but instead shook off the last of his mental nerfs bye deepening his resolve. And his return tO form along with his mastery of Kamui pushed him to even greater heights.
I wanna know if Anbu Kakashi, MS Anbu Itachi & Anbu Yamato could’ve worked together to destroy the Root & Danzo, and therefore prevent the Uchiha Massacre.
imo his performance against Deva path pain with him not using kamui until the very end to save Choji was exceptional enough for me to say that in that fight, up until Kamui is used, Kakashi is NOT jounin level; at this point, he is firmly AT LEAST low kage for being able to scrap with a rinnegan user for that long and survive. based off of strats, physical strength, and his ability to use various jutsu to counter or at least divert pain's attacks, and no kamui, Kakashi is low kage. Now, couple in the fact that he just watched his own student save him from kakuzu not too long ago, and the fact that he was rock climbing to regain his strength, and suddely the notion that Kakashi trained hella right before Pain's attack doesn't seem too egregious. In fact, i believe it is because of this off screen time that kakashi is able to effectively use the kamui at just the right moment when it was absolutely needed; to save a comrade. It makes sense why he didnt spam it to fight, and it also checks out how he was physically able to withstand the drawback of using MS: itachi stated in part 1 that without an uchiha body, using the sharingan is a lot more taxing. its not farfetched to assume that during the entirety of Akatsuki Suppression, but particularly after Kakuzu v Naruto battle, kakashi managed to slip past the low kage tier and ever so SLIGHTLY make his way to the bottom of mid kage tier. low-mid kage, if you will.
I think Kakashi reaches Kage level overall either in the Pain arc or the 5 Kage Summit arc. To me the Kakashi that fought Kakuzu was on the pinacle of Jounin level, maybe he could've reached Low Kage if he had used the MS in the fight, say if Naruto hadn't show up. Kakuzu isn't even Low Kage level since I don't see him (nor Kakashi or Naruto at that point) beating the weaker Kage such as early Shippuden Gaara, or Raasa, or even Jounin A. They're also below Hebi and arguably even Early Shippuden Sasuke. So the first version of Kakashi that I consider to be solidly on this tier is the one who was brawling with the two strongest paths of Pain, Tendou and Shuradou (Deva and Asura paths). He must be just below SM Jiraiya and the Sannin are all Kage level (before the War Arc).
After watching the video, I don't know if these novel feats and statements are consistent. It does feel very weird to say that by the Kakuzu Arc Kakashi still hadn't reached the level of his ANBU days. That's reasonable for Part 1, but we know he started training again, and 2 and a half to 3 years later he as an adult, being able to use the MS (not counting Kamui, just the chakra amp the activated MS provides) still is behind his teenage self? Or even worse, do you think it's reasonable to say ANBU Kakashi would fare better against Pain than he did in canon? Even if we consider the "depression nerf" argument, Kakashi also started to get more busy after he became tutor of Team 7, as that was the point on his life he started crawling out of the darkness of his past and of the ANBU environment, having to take care of Minato's son and of Sasuke, an Uchiha like Obito who was similar to him as a kid. After being warned about the Akatsuki by Jiraiya and specially after getting one shot by Itachi, knowing they were after Naruto, and that Sasuke was in danger of falling into Orochimaru's hands, Kakashi had a lot of motivation as he cared about them so much. That statement during the Chunin Exams of him being out of shape is vague, but it's also intended to portray the moment Kakashi decides to start training seriously again. I agree that there isn't much time for him to improve until the end of Part 1, but he should be stronger by the beginning of Shippuden, 2.5 years later.
It feels like he peaked in his youth, his accomplishents made if fell like he should have been beasting in some of the later fights he was struggling with. I understand getting washed by Itachi but a few other fights seemed like he just wasn't living up to his reputation.
I think it's funny how some of the most looked down members of the hyuga clan are the most powerful ones,such as hinata mukai and neji with the exception of hanabi which, indicates that their system is based off power more than potential which is so weird since it should be a combination of both but it is to be expected since the naruto world is very corrupt.
We need more videos on Shisui and fugaku they get downplayed way too much they are both really strong I know some people overrate them mainly shisui but all I see is how they are both fodder when they are both incredibly powerful I have some good arguments for where they scale taking information from the novels and anime
Before finishing the video, I'd argue Kage (Low). That alone, prior to the later power progression, would have made Kakashi a legend. It would also fit with the constant praise of him, plus the idea that even people like the Daimyō, who had likely never met him, thought he was a good fit for the Hokage position.
Honestly I keep forgetting how strong mukai is beating 3 tomoe itachi and shisui is insane considering how strong they are I scale them both very high even at that time
Probably the war arc or somewhere right before. He was fighting a lot of strong reanimated ninjas and then was fighting off tailed beasts and obito. It couldn’t have been when Sasuke attacked the 5 Kage summit because kamui was the only reason he survived a susanoo arrow from a damn near blind sasuke
@@sageofthickcalves also, people tend to forget a couple of things about that encounter: 1. Sasuke, due to all of his rage amps, was, ironically the strongest version of himself in the Summit, and when he first arrived, Sasuke was already relative to the Raikage, the (arguably) 2nd strongest Kage at the time. I say Sasuke was relative to the Raikage because while I would never even imply that Sasuke was stronger, it wasn't nearly as much of a one-sided ass whooping as everyone likes to portray it as. 2. Sasuke's Susano'o arrow is significantly faster than Sasuke himself.
When was Kakashi Kage level is a tough question. Because upon his introduction he's really the only Jonin we have and he is the measuring stick for Jonin. I'd say the moment Naruto falls and Kakashi catches him on his back in the Land of Wind, he's ready to be Kage.
1:46, I would say he’s definitely kage level during the 5 kage summit, holding his own against base sasuke, although fatigued and half blind, should still somewhat scale to his beginning of 5 kage self who was stronger than his curse mark 2 state, who was dominating deidara
@@sageofthickcalves eh, I never really saw it that way since kakashi has always been really resolved in what he does, especially in this case when he’d just saved Sakura from sasuke solidifying his belief of sasuke being too far gone
@@sergperez5484 kakashi states “now I know how the third felt”, implying he’s emotionally struggling with this. We also know the 4th databook implied that Sasuke’s fall into darkness made Kakashi question himself as a leader and shinobi
I think kakashi reached kage level after he was revived with rinne rebirth after fight with pain. As he met his father a lot of his mental trauma would have reduced due to which his chakra level and stamina would have increased as we see in war arc his chakra level improved significantly. I think it was because of his meeting with his father. After that kakashi fights with sasuke in five kage summit arc. people downplay kakashi in this fight as fatigued sasuke overpowered him but they should understand that kakashi was facing trauma of facing his own student he did not go all out in this fight. When he gets serious and decides to go all out and kill sasuke he is stopped by naruto. I think this kakashi was equal to kakashi at the start of war arc so i think kakashi reached kage level after getting revived by rinne rebirth and meeting his father which reduced his mental trauma and increased his chakra reserves and stamina
@@Jaishivji777 w take. I argue that after his interaction with his father in Limbo, he reaches the strength we see him with early on in the war arc. He’s mental nerfed in his fight with Sasuke, so that doesn’t really count for his scaling.
if he wasn't nerffed during his ealy anbu days with minato and kushina dying or with other factors he would of reach that kage tier alot earlier in his life.
Madara predicted Konoha's kage position always being controlled by Senju's... Every "non-Senju" hokage has Senju level chakra feats: 1. Jiraiya can use sage mode without body mods like Naruto and Minato 2. Jiraiya, Minato and Naruto (natural sage mode users) all have the same summoning contract as Rikudo 3. Hiruzen could use all chakra natures, a Rikudo ability according to Jiraiya 4. Even Danzo had a body that could handle Senju transplantation 5. Low chakra Kakashi was spamming mangekyo abilities more than Itachi by the war arc and had a massive chakra boost afterwards I think the story of the Senju is that of a clan that killed their name while intermarrying into other Konoha clans. That's why so many random Konoha ninja are born with Senju level chakra.
I believe there's a statement about Naruto Generations game cutscenes being canon. If that's the case, we know for a fact that Kakashi's clone (add Shadow Clone Jutsu to the list of A-rank jutsu known by Kakashi) can somewhat pressure Jonin Minato and even touch one of the bells during the test. "In his youth, Kakashi made some noise as a member of the ANBU, a capable warrior even in this special unit, the sole purpose of which was to take on dark, clandestine missions." I believe this comes from the Shikamaru Hiden novel. We can safely say that ANBU Kakashi is superior to a pre-Chunin Exam Part 1 Kakashi. We know he started to train after his hospital bout with Kabuto. It's a shame that you haven't covered the anime Kakashi ANBU filler arc. I know it's technically not canon, but several things from it are referenced in databooks. Kakashi and Yamato crossing blades? Check. Kakashi speaking about Naruto's birth over Rin's grave? Check. This would also make Kakashi's scaling over Yamato quite significant, considering that Danzo entrusted Yamato with the mission of assassinating Hiruzen. Would it be fair to assume that you've delved into the Kohinata meta due to some of my comments in your earlier videos? Excellent work overall.
@@mc_rysiek5277 I appreciate you brother! Yeah I avoided the Generations stuff because, while Cyberconnect said they’re canon to the anime, a) they don’t get that say and b) it doesn’t make it canon to the manga. So the best bet is to not use it as canon material. Basically the same thing applies for the ANBU Kakashi filler. While there are some great moments in there, it actually does contradict the databook 3 statement saying Kakashi cut the bolt of lightning while he was in the ANBU, by having him do it beforehand. But there is some good stuff in there. That Shikamaru Hiden quote is a great catch 🔥 I apologize man, but I don’t recall your Mukai comments. What did you say?
@@sageofthickcalves I do not remember the ANBU arc touching on Kakashi's lightning feat. I think this was covered in a different filler. In one of your earlier videos (I think it was the Kakashi vs Itachi one) I've mentioned that Kakashi can be potentially scaled over Kohinata. I was wondering whether you've decided to cover that topic here because of that comment (as I don't think you've covered it before), but maybe I'm too full of myself xD
@@mc_rysiek5277 Yeah I’m not sure if it’s the same exact arc, but regardless, it’s still filler so it can’t be taken into account. Gotcha. Tbh I don’t remember that, but it was probably planted in the back of my brain haha
@@sageofthickcalves Hey brother, I'd like to draw your attention to one thing I don't believe you've ever mentioned. During Kakashi's encounter with Orochimaru in Part 1, when Kakashi activates Raikiri he says: "Even if you're one of _those_ three ninja... the man I am today can take you down!" Meaning a pre-retraining Part 1 Kakashi considers himself to be around Sannin-level (which is ~ Kage-level at least). This correlates nicely with the fanbook statement that "anyone going up against him risks death" Now I know there's this whole argument about Oro making Kakashi crap his pants. A couple of issues with that: - Kakashi only states that he _can_ beat a Sannin, not that he _would_ for sure. Big difference; - Oro only used his fear hax after already luring Kakashi into a false sense of security. The moment Oro turns around and starts to depart, Kakashi visibly relaxes, he outright deactivates Raikiri. Furthermore, Kakashi had his Sharingan covered in that instance, and IIRC, Sasuke claimed that Oro's fear hax is genjutsu; - Oro is, base to base, the strongest of the Sannin. He pretty much low-diffed Jiraiya during the Sannin Deadlock, and while it's true that Jiraiya wasn't at his best, the drug he was injected with was wearing down pretty quickly, while Orochimaru was nerfed to a far greater extent; To be clear, I'm not saying Kakashi would've beaten Oro in that instance, I don't believe so at all. But between his own statement, the fanbook statement, the databook statement (strongest in the village), and his trackreckord against Kabuto (who fought well against Tsunade), I see nothing problematic about pre-retraining Part 1 Kakashi being around base Sannin-tier, with ANBU Kakashi being obviously superior.
Also Kakashi stamina and AP constantly being drained when he gets sharingan. You could argue kakashi gets nerfed at that point. I believe Kakashi would have further developed Raikiri and mastered that variant (to be useful without the sharingan, We've seen in boruto what he did with it)
An unpopular opinion but I believe Kakashi is one of those characters whose reputation exceeds his own real abilities. He is strong but, not really in the top tier he has a mind of a kage but has chakra and stamina of a chunin. To make things worse he always needs support fighters in his battles against the arc villains. Be it zabuza, kakazu and hidan, pain the list goes on. I can't remember a single chapter in which he dominated a fight against anyone.
Kakashi most definitely has chakra and stamina above that of your average Chunin, it’s just not elite amongst jonin until the war arc. As far as Zabuza, he dog walked him the second fight with no issues, after being rusty the first time around and underestimating Zabuza. He also had no issues with Hidan, but you could say that he did with Kakuzu, although he does outright state that he didn’t have to go all out. Again, Kakashi dominated Zabuza the second time around, and he also beat the brakes off of multiple Chunin/Jonin during konoha crush. He easily solod the demon brothers in the first arc of the show. During the war arc, he was able to go toe to toe with and best multiple level 2 bijuu, and forced them to go into their full transformations. The problem is that Kakashi is almost always put against characters who are absurdly strong, like high kage level strong. Kakuzu was capable of defeating a bijuu by himself. Itachi is above the Sannin. Pain is on that same tier. Who else did he objectively lose to in a 1v1 other than Itachi and Pain? Even Kakuzu was only able to get the edge because Kakashi had to save Team 10 multiple times, and Kakashi still was never forced to use his MS. I don’t think it’s so much that Kakashi is overrated in verse, but more so that a) people are referring to a younger, stronger Kakashi when referencing his strength (copy ninja nickname came from his time in the ANBU) and b) he routinely faces off against absolute monsters.
Anbu Kakashi just lightning blade people’s hearts no mercy which is why he got recommended to leave He changed his fighting style after leaving the anbu to the relaxed defensive fighting style we see him use
@@sageofthickcalves your explanation itself proves what I am saying in the first place. I never said Kakashi isn't strong I just said he ain't *the guy* you would bet against your arc's main villain because he needs support fighters to tag him. Yeah he dog walked zabuza in the second one but it's really of no use as he got caught in the water prison in the first one and if not for Naruto and sasuke that would have the end for him. Guy on the other hand who is always implied to be a tad bit weaker or behind Kakashi in terms of relative strength actually dog walked Kisame first his 30 percent clone and then the real one (although without Samehada) but still that feat still states he is actually way stronger than Kakashi in all combative aspects as Zabuza is no where near Kisame. Another feat of embarrassment for the great lord 7th 💩 is his face of with Kabuto in the hospital in part 1 where he got literally outsmarted by a nobody who is not even a fighter but a medical ninja. The fight in which he went toe to toe against multiple level 2 bijju he was supported by 7th gate guy and B so thats not a *lone feat of strength* you take guy and B out of that battle and I wouldn't be surprised if Kakashi gets killed in seconds , but the same can't be said for eight gates guy who I believe could actually fight alone by himself against obito and the tailed beats six paths in the eighth gate form (whether he wins or not is debatable)
@@AMJ564 First of all, Kakashi is one of the main characters. He’s got hella plot armor. Deal with it. Secondly, Guy is like a DBZ character who got lost and found himself in Ninja-land. His kit is boring. (Unpopular opinion.) Lastly, Naruto became a battle of “my power’s more hax than yours!” during the second part, and less about skill. Kakashi is one of those characters who are still effective just by sheer intelligence and ability alone. The only thing that held him back was that he wasn’t an Uchiha so he had constant chakra drain due to the Sharingan.
Gangster Kakashi really becomes a whole Kage level at the war arc fr He holds up to 6th gate Guy, the v2 cloaks, kcm Naruto, Minato and Obito, in the war he was already more powerful than the Raikage and Tsunade, even tho kamui is a big part of it he already scales physically to all of those characters Then there's post-war Kakashi who is just way much more stronger and packs a whole another level of chakra reserves Also idk about you but I think Pain arc Kakashi beats Mei, so he was already starting to be at least like Sanin or low kage level at like Kakazu's or Pain fight
Power in Naruto isn't really so linear. Learning how to use all five nature transformations is a significant buff to variability which boosts one's AP for sure. Being fast helps. Having lots of chakra helps, for sure. It's a combination of things that work together to create a level of power and ability. Which is why I hate alot of the newer developments, including some in shippuden. They felt cheap and chakra centric, rather than a valid way to measure ability. As long as you have lots of chakra you can spam to win in some parts of Naruto: Shippuden
@@xavierthomas5835 the point I was making is that Kakashi’s depression nerf brought him down a significant amount, and it wasn’t until after his battle with Obito in the war that it was lifted. He then goes on to become borderline Otsusuki level, which tracks when you consider that
@@absgames9425 oh gotcha. Yeah ANBU Kakashi should just be significantly above Guy tbh. I don’t think they’re rivals until Kakashi gets rusty and out of shape
I am positive that kakashi in the 5 kage summit arc is when he is Kage level cause Before he pulled out kamui kakashi was boxing sasuke and sasuke fought the 5 kage but did lose. after watching the vid Bro kakashi was kage level during either Kakazu fight or Deidera
I mean Kakashi was able to combat Kakuzu on an equal leveling without using Kamui and I pretty sure he even said he was confident in being able to end the fight at any point with Kamui. So yeah even if you think that Kakuzu isn't Kage level that would still be the point where he is just outright beyond the Jonin and Anbu Tier. But if we're talking about undeniably smack dab within Kage Tier it would be 5 Kage Summit. The fact that he was able to do even the slightest things against Sasuke at that point shows that he is definitely within that tier of characters even without Kamui.
@@KristopherDorsey-rq8ek yeah they were on the same team together, but then Itachi had his own team for over a year so Kakashi could’ve gotten stronger in that time.
I’d argue he’s either at the absolute peak of jonin level or the absolute floor of kage level in part 1. But yeah 4-5 years of not training or going in difficult missions will do that
@@i.q.1979 no he’s a bit below Kakashi. Kakashi fought him differently when it was 1v1 and dominated him, so being forced to take into account protecting team 7 and Tazuna was definitely an obstacle for Kakashi there. I’d say Zabuza is high jonin, though
I had to come back to this video, I had something in my mind. If Kakashi had left the Anbu and worked like a regular jounin and not an instructor. Would he still be that much weaker? I just want to know how much of a difference that would make for his strength...
Great question. I think that the implication from his statement in the Zabuza fight is that he hasn’t been on an A or S rank mission in a long time. So the fact that he’d be going on easier missions would lead to him being much more rusty.
@@sageofthickcalves yeah, but don't regular jounin go on those? (Obviously Kakashi wouldn't have because he was just failing genin) But if he was asked to leave the Anbu and just went back to being a regular-degular jounin he probably would still have gone on difficult missions no? What I mean is, what's the difference in an S rank mission provided to an Anbu and an S rank mission provided to a jounin who isn't an Anbu and how would have that affected Kakashi after he left the Anbu
@@MaríaCamilaBolívarBetancourt well, Kakashi implies that he hasn’t been on a mission like the Land of Waves mission for a long time, and that was an A rank missions
@@MaríaCamilaBolívarBetancourt In military terms, Kakashi was combat ineffective as he was suffering from PTSD. (Think about that scene in which he kills an enemy ninja instead of bringing him in for interrogation.) He got taken off the ANBU and got relegated to a Jonin team leader, which is pretty much babysitting children. Which was a damn shame because Kakashi was one of their biggest assets. That would probably explain his being “rusty” or not being up to par with his ANBU self.
If anbu kakashi is above fugaku even with fugaku ms he’s very powerful considering how strong fugaku is I scale him relative to early ms itachi and above the base sannin but that’s just where I scale fugaku I know a lot of people will disagree with my scaling which is fine people usually don’t agree with my scaling on certain characters like fugaku Shisui and tobirama even late war kakashi and peak ems sasuke people disagree with my scaling but I’m confident in my scaling of these characters even if some people disagree
Question how come in the flashbacks we see guy participating in the chunin exams despite not being old enough to graduate from the academy? I also found it weird and a bit inconsistent the Kakashi age of graduating from the academy as there is nothing in the flashbacks to imply he was 6 nor anything in the anime to say he was 6. So it feels more like someone added it randomly and it stuck. Because i don't think Kishimoto actually thought of it or cared about that detail
With Guy, TECHNICALLY he could’ve been 1.5 years older than Kakashi and the ages work if you say Kakashi graduated when he was 5.5 years old. However, Obito’s adult age is just incorrect. It doesn’t work under any circumstance. Kakashi states in the manga he became a Chunin at 6, and there are at least 7 databook and novel statements backing up his graduation/Chunin promotion ages. So yeah you can just say the adult ages for some of them are wrong
Yeah he’s called “extremely powerful” in databook 1, was put in charge of the royal kids’ team, he was capable of defeating Hayate, as well as swapping hands with Genma for a bit, and is a high ranking member on the Suna council. So technically it’s not stated he’s the strongest, but it makes sense with all things considered. Especially being in charge of Gaara’s team.
If Kakashi didn't stop training after he keft the anbu, he would have easily been Kage Level at the start of part 1 or low Kage level. Then by Shippuden, he would definitely be Sanin level by then.
I hate.. HATE when people cling to that “Kabuto is equal to kakashi “ or whatever it is statement simply because Jiraiya and Oro say it when neither of them necessarily have seen all Kakashi was capable of.
I Think the only reach is that anbu Kakashi is over Mukai. Different adjectives for their praise isn’t enough to put him at or below Mukai as an anbu captain.
@@robertdoyle2586 right, it’s just that Kakashi has better lore implications, and he was his captain while being younger than him. At worst, they’re relative
I don't mean to toot my own horn, but did my comment on your short inspire this video? 16:25 KIsame stop! If you take this man onz it won't be without cost. I can't tell if Itachi is sizing up Kakashi in real time or if he too is simply thinking back on his time with his captain back when they were in the Anbu. I'm leaning more on the latter which would also put late Anbu Kakashi above his paet 1 self. 16:50 more on Yamato ruclips.net/video/mPs3gLB7CeA/видео.htmlsi=DXU3FatTqJk-O3kb
@@Breeze06 did the comment come from before the video dropped? I’m not sure. I know I’ve wanted to do this topic from the time I started the channel, but it may have helped
My comment was posted about 3 months ago on your kid Kakashi is broken short. I have a video request, I think you might like. Compare the Kakashi against the immortal duo fight with the Hiruzen vs Orochimaru one. The old man and Kakashi were outnumbered. Both these fights feel so alike. The fact that Kakuzu has a parallel plot with Sakumo is as if Kakashi was fighting his father. Talk about their feats as well as their crutches/nerfs.Then have Kakashi and Hiruzen swap places.
Part 1 is mentally nerfed and shippuden he’s slowly getting back to what he was prior to the series and even stronger than that by the war. Kakashi was a Kage level ninja as an Anbu. Even as a Jonin he was always considered worthy of being a Kage. So the answer from the age of 12 he was at the very least low Kage level and by the time around Minato’s death he was firmly there.
@@QGUU the novels are canon. Shueisha has them as a part of their canonical timeline (Shueisha co-owns the Naruto IP, so they’re allowed to make those decisions). Here’s a link to their website showing it: web.archive.org/web/20220813035547/www.narutoapp.jp/chronology/ You can also find this in the Boruto Jump magazine.
@@sageofthickcalves Yeah… I disagree still lol. The timeline is just showing where the novels take place (and it’s literally just them putting novels in order) that doesn’t mean it’s canon, and just because they have access to the IP doesn’t mean anything they do is canon. So yeah nah, not canon. Still a great video tho
I love Kakashi but i feel his potential might not be as high as one would assume. Like him graduating at 5 and 6 respectively is great but from what i gathered some Naruto characters had higher well spring of how they could go if that makes sense. Kakashi is still insane and definitely at least in the top 10 prodigies
His potential was stunted by what happened to his dad, Rin, Minato/Kushina and obito. Once he worked those out his true potential emerged in the war arc. His whole story line is overcoming CPTSD
Didn’t Mukai just lose to Itachi and Shisui only because of his seal? If I’m fighting someone and he’s beating the ish out of me, and I luck out by hitting something that makes a rock fall on his head, I wouldn’t consider it a win. Did I survive? Yes, did the other die? Yes. Did I cause his death? Kind of… did I beat him? No.
Mukai lost because of Shisui’s MS, which Danzo didn’t know about when saying that Shisui + Itachi is > Fugaku. So Mukai beating down Shisui + Itachi before Shisui uses MS allows for the scaling chain to work
Elite Jonin tier isn’t a real thing really, it’s just something the fandom decided to call Asuma, Guy, and Kakashi, so him being a powerful Jonin doesn’t really mean much other than he was stronger than regular base level jonin
Honestly when you compare kid Kakashi to other characters who where of a similar level of power by roughly the same age give or take a few years, it's kinda weird he wasn’t kage level by the time he was 15-21 years of age. He was a jonin at age 12
She may be ignorant about Kisame's strength, but not Itachi's. At least not fully. Like everyone else, she was under the impression Itachi massacred the entire Uchiha Clan by himself.
@@ajayimoses2495 Konoha has a whole profile on it in their secret scrolls, complete with a drawn design. We see this in Boruto. Having a file on it with an illustration of what the eye looks like means they would’ve had to have gotten that intel before he died.
Danzo thinking shisui and Itachi are above fugaku is not reliable. Danzo also thought the boys were able to handle Mukai.. and he was wrong. One thing I’ve learned from Naruto is charcaters dont truly knows just how strong other characters are relative to each other
@@playlist-master7382 the byakugan can break genjutsu, since Ao used his byakugan to break Yagura out of Obito’s genjutsu. If the byakugan can break genjutsu, it must have genjutsu resistance
Idk. I mean konoha has a whole file on it in Boruto, and they would’ve had to have gotten that info before he died, since it has a drawing of the design
@@kain7813 he joined the ANBU at 12. He was 20 when Itachi meets him in the ANBU. This means he had been in the ANBU for 8 years. But yeah, he does stay at least another year, so he would’ve been in the ANBU for at least 9 years. That is, in fact, how math works.
Just wanted to point out one plot hole. Kakashi having chidori in the kanami bridge arc makes no sense. Because as per the minato one shot. Minato is developing the rasengan during that time. Keep in mind in the one shot kakashi was an anbu by that time meaning he shouldnt have a chidori since chidori was explicitly stated by him that it was developed when he could not apply chakra nature to the rasengan. See the massive plot hole here?
Thank You Sage. I’ve been trying to get people to understand Kakashi being 3-4 years younger than everybody in his class. Eventually they made everybody the same age as him from some reason but I remember seeing him be the youngest Jonin at 26 whole Gai Asuma etc.. were 30 years old in part 1.
No he wasn’t, not in the manga. We see him alive while Kakashi is being enrolled into the academy, but he’s not alive while Kakashi is actually going to class and such.
this video kinda pisses me off. Not the quality of the video itself as it's an amazing video but the fact that a character like Mukai is just reserved to novels and not part of the main story. The hyuga clan really needed some more love from kishimoto.
The Kakashi who fought Kakuzu is low kage level imo, not on the level of the hokage but just below the sannin and likely comparable to kage like Mei. If Kakashi had a better mental state and kept up his practice he would probably have been kage level in part one.
Danzo doesn’t know fugaku has a ms because he kept it a secret so he would be talking about 3 tomoe fugaku when he’s talking about his strength I don’t think fugaku is just kage level either I think he’s higher in the tier at least mid kage level based on what we know and Shisui is the strongest of the Uchiha clan but I’m not going to go in to my scaling of these 2 I already told you before unless you forgot then I can tell you again im not sure if you remember me I commented a couple times on videos before
@@Robbieuchiha I agree Danzo MAY not have known about it, but him hiding it is only in the anime, and he was regarded as kage level regardless. You could argue he did know about it, though, since he has ANBU spies watching them around the clock, and he also would’ve gotten intel from his Root agents about how he accomplished his feats during the war. I do remember you. I have no issues with Shisui being the strongest at that point, but that would still mean Kakashi > Mukai > 3T Itachi & 3T Shisui > Fugaku (kage level regardless of interpretation).
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Question Of The Week: At what point is Kakashi FIRMLY “kage level” WITHOUT taking into account Kamui? Let me know below ⬇️
Hokage Kakashi obviously🤓
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@@2_loko I don’t know man
Kakuzu fight
either at the beginning of shippuden or by the pain arc
ANBU Kakashi being stronger than part one Kakashi always made so much sense to me. The idea of him always being on missions and fighting almost recklessly and then stopping and becoming rusty when he stops that makes him seem so much more human and cooler in my book!
Cool video 🤍
Thank you so much! Glad you liked it 🙏🏼
Kakashi was weakened during Part I to the point Tsunade's reaction to his battle against Itachi and Kisame was "gettin' beat by just a couple of thugs, guess you were a human after all".
Exactly 🔥
Clearly Tsunade didn’t know how strong Itachi and Kisame were since Itachi low diffs her and Kisame probably wins to
@@donovan4222true Itachi massively out haxes her and kisame scales to 6th gate guy
7 gate guy @@upfordebate7403
@@donovan4222 she was under the impression that he wiped out the Uchiha clan by himself, including Fugaku
It makes perfect sense that this would be the case. We saw in the series that Minato wanted Kakashi in the Anbu to distract him from his trauma but it inadvertently made him more ruthless and powerful with a super active lifestyle of killing which is what hiruzen realized before he let him go from the anbu.
Taking time off of years of the habit of killing at the highest level and as we saw all day he would just reflect on his previous actions being depressed all the time, it really takes a toll on ones mental health being stagnant for a while as he projected his failures on others by being extremely strict and failing all of his genin teams. If anything his lack of training and lack of use of chakra (while his constant active sharigan was draining him too) probably diminished his reserves by a lot as we see in later arcs that he's capable of using jutsu to a larger extent as he increased his chakra reserves or at least his efficiency in using jutsu. Bro started off with barely 2 chidoris a day. 1-2 Kamuis would leave him bedridden all the way to dozens of raikiris and kamuis in later arcs such as the pain and war arc and still being at full strength. On top of this we have to assume he was a shinobi who used a ton of different jutsu all the time because of his famous nickname which would mean he had a lot more chakra back then than in part 1 as we barely see him using variations of different jutsu.
He probably only gained experience with age but lost a ton of power, chakra and speed that he eventually regained and surpassed his older self. If we wanna play the game of estimating I'd say an arc where he matched his old level of power would be during the Pain arc or 5 Kage summit arc and he surpassed his old self during the war arc with his insane feats as he was known as the most lethal non kage shinobi of his time during his anbu days (besides criminals like Orochimaru and Itachi of course). He's literally number 2 in the bingo book behind Orochimaru.
Kakashi was unbelievably rusty when he fought Zabuza in part one. He had very likely seen no combat since he was taken off of guard duty with Kushina. That’s over a decade with likely no combat and little to no training. Especially with the sharingan. It was practically like using it for the first time.. in part one apart from Zabuza and a brief fight with Itachi and Kisame, the only other combat missions are unknown ones from the end of part one. In the first part of shippuden, he fights Deidara with a handicap of Naruto going wild and trying to take him head on. He manages to do the same amount of damage to Deidara as Gaara does and he’s obviously at least low kage level by then. You could argue he is stronger than some of the first kage, but that’s unknown. He’s probably not stronger than most of the reanimated ones. By the war arc he is going toe to toe with Obito and he’s high kage level by then. If Kakashi is strongest when in ANBU or around there, then he was mid to high level kage
Well, Kakashi was in the ANBU until he was 21, so he definitely saw combat up through that point. But yeah your point about him being rusty stands with a 4-5 year gap.
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They called him ruthless, but he was suffering the most.💙
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Kakashi and his father are prime examples of depression being inherited...
I'd say beginning of Shippuden Kakashi should be firmly Kage level. Just a few weeks later he is able to combat Kakuzu who can brawl with Bijuu. Since we do know fighting makes You stronger in Naruto, it's possible Kakuzu fight Kakashi is stronger than beginning of Shippuden Kakashi by some margin, but it shouldn't be that drastic of a gap. And I think Kakuzu is firmly Kage level, so Kakashi should be too then. (Also just to clarify, I think Kakuzu is above Kakashi, I don't think they're equals, but I do think Kakashi is close enough to him to be considered Kage level.)
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Ok but if we are admitting Kakuzu is still stronger than Kakashi, and Kakuzu is mid kage level…then that could easily still put Kakashi at high jonin level. He didn’t defeat Kakuzu on his own or do that much to him…
Kakuzu kicked Kakashi through a forest, while his sharingan was activated, at the beginning of the fight. Kakuzu also manhandled Kakashi in close quarters, and blitzed with his threads after that. Kakuzu had Kakashi dead to rights twice before outside intervention stepped in.
I don’t think Kakashi becomes clear Kage level until after the pain invasion. He does a good bit worse than Jiraiya against Pain, and Jiraiya is about mid Kage as well. And everyone agrees WA kakashi is obviously Kage level.
We can debate Kakashi slam kakazu
@@donovan4222kakashi wasn't only fighting kakuzu either tho
@@donovan4222 Kakazu off-guarded Kakashi once(since his focus was literally on Hidan after assuming Kakazu was dead) and after that was unable to really do any meaningful amounts of damage to him.
Kakashi went out of his way to state that he still had Kamui up his sleeve in the manga, and said that he wasnt pushed to using it. (Meaning he likely would've used Kamui if Kakashi believed Kakazu actually came truly close to killing/harming him).
5:52 This is interesting news to a lifelong Kakashi fan. Either there's a timeline discrepancy in Naruto again (shocker) or Obito must have met Kakashi shortly after Sakuko died. Because Sakumo was there when Kakashi met Gai at the Academy
Yup! This implies they met right before starting at the academy or after they began attending
Finally the anbu Kakashi scaling I remember hearing this a couple months ago but never this many scaling lines w vid
Thanks brother!
Kakashi was kage level before he was taken out of the anbu. His curse was lifted after reconciling with Obito. He was actually a monster in the anbu. The fall-off was so drastic that he was rendered an ineffective shinobi for 6 years until he was tasked with team 7 as rehab lol
Seems like he got stronger after dying and talking to his dad as well... Broke through some mental blocks...
@@reptilian_geneticist yea most definitely
this is pretty much completely headcanon. Theres no evidence he was ever anywhere near Kage level or any stronger than pt. 1 Kakashi who was relative to Kabuto
@@donovan4222incorrect. statements made by characters aren’t always necessarily accurate.
@@joshuajose4868 Why isn’t Orochimaru’s statement accurate? Kakashi was terrified of him and was stated to be relative to Kabuto, I see no reason to think anyone was lying
The panels/art you choose, the editing, the music selection. Bro, you’re goin CRAZYY.
Always gonna dub w a Kakashi vid but this was an interesting discussion to highlight. Imagine if we got books on his anbu years similar in detailing to Itachi’s novels. 😭
Keep grinding goat, thanks for the fire content 👊🏼👊🏼
Thank you so much bro! Yeah we need an ANBU Kakashi novel ASAP 🔥
I’m all here for the Kakashi love (will never get tired of these vids) thank you for the mega valid content as always sage 💯
Thanks brother!
That last chain is wild! Love it!
Thanks brother! 🙏🏼
Subscribing for the channel name alone lol. i don't have time to watch this right now, but imma save it to my watch later for tonight.
Channel seems dope man.
I appreciate you brother!
Goated vid, and I’d say Kakashi enters into Kage level at the Kakuzu Fight
Thanks brother! W take
Wow. Such a detailed video .
Good job !
@@zazz_ thank you!
*My rough answer to the question of the week*
Kakashi’s fight against the Akatsuki (Except Pre-timeskip Itachi) all serve as a great example of Kakashi’s prowess as a Kage level Shinobi. Deidara left furious solely because of Kakashi’s pestering, and even Kakuzu praised him during their fight. Pain wasted no efforts to be sure of Kakashi’s death. IIRC Kakashi was one of the the few Leaf Shinobi who wasn’t interrogated of Naruto’s whereabouts. Pain didn’t waste time to put him down.
He also has prowess of all chakra natures, high battle IQ and more than 10 years of Jonin level experience. He could debatably be Kage level somewhere between pre-timeskip and Shippuden.
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Your conclusion makes even more sense when you take into account the Power disparity between war arc Kakashi and pain arc Kakashi.
Kakashi didn’t so much get stronger, but instead shook off the last of his mental nerfs bye deepening his resolve. And his return tO form along with his mastery of Kamui pushed him to even greater heights.
100%. I appreciate the love bro 🙏🏼 Then you take into account how strong he gets after the war too
Been waiting for this forever!
And that was the best 25 minutes I spent on anything in three months. Looking forward to Kakashi vs Kabuto!
@@scarecrow_fang thank you so much!
I wanna know if Anbu Kakashi, MS Anbu Itachi & Anbu Yamato could’ve worked together to destroy the Root & Danzo, and therefore prevent the Uchiha Massacre.
@@s.owl9 oh for sure
@@sageofthickcalves Too much for Danzo? 😅
It’s finally here😭🙏
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What a BANGER bro. Kakashi becomes Kage level after the time skip. Homie was GRINDING on them A and S rank missions.
I appreciate you brother! W take 🔥
imo his performance against Deva path pain with him not using kamui until the very end to save Choji was exceptional enough for me to say that in that fight, up until Kamui is used, Kakashi is NOT jounin level; at this point, he is firmly AT LEAST low kage for being able to scrap with a rinnegan user for that long and survive. based off of strats, physical strength, and his ability to use various jutsu to counter or at least divert pain's attacks, and no kamui, Kakashi is low kage. Now, couple in the fact that he just watched his own student save him from kakuzu not too long ago, and the fact that he was rock climbing to regain his strength, and suddely the notion that Kakashi trained hella right before Pain's attack doesn't seem too egregious. In fact, i believe it is because of this off screen time that kakashi is able to effectively use the kamui at just the right moment when it was absolutely needed; to save a comrade. It makes sense why he didnt spam it to fight, and it also checks out how he was physically able to withstand the drawback of using MS: itachi stated in part 1 that without an uchiha body, using the sharingan is a lot more taxing. its not farfetched to assume that during the entirety of Akatsuki Suppression, but particularly after Kakuzu v Naruto battle, kakashi managed to slip past the low kage tier and ever so SLIGHTLY make his way to the bottom of mid kage tier. low-mid kage, if you will.
@@deutschdrei to be fair, Deva is holding back. But I respect it
I didn’t think this was dropping so soon
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After finishing the vid this makes so much since danzo and mukai would know how strong anbu Kakashi is.
100% 🙏🏼
I think Kakashi reaches Kage level overall either in the Pain arc or the 5 Kage Summit arc. To me the Kakashi that fought Kakuzu was on the pinacle of Jounin level, maybe he could've reached Low Kage if he had used the MS in the fight, say if Naruto hadn't show up.
Kakuzu isn't even Low Kage level since I don't see him (nor Kakashi or Naruto at that point) beating the weaker Kage such as early Shippuden Gaara, or Raasa, or even Jounin A. They're also below Hebi and arguably even Early Shippuden Sasuke.
So the first version of Kakashi that I consider to be solidly on this tier is the one who was brawling with the two strongest paths of Pain, Tendou and Shuradou (Deva and Asura paths). He must be just below SM Jiraiya and the Sannin are all Kage level (before the War Arc).
After watching the video, I don't know if these novel feats and statements are consistent. It does feel very weird to say that by the Kakuzu Arc Kakashi still hadn't reached the level of his ANBU days. That's reasonable for Part 1, but we know he started training again, and 2 and a half to 3 years later he as an adult, being able to use the MS (not counting Kamui, just the chakra amp the activated MS provides) still is behind his teenage self?
Or even worse, do you think it's reasonable to say ANBU Kakashi would fare better against Pain than he did in canon?
Even if we consider the "depression nerf" argument, Kakashi also started to get more busy after he became tutor of Team 7, as that was the point on his life he started crawling out of the darkness of his past and of the ANBU environment, having to take care of Minato's son and of Sasuke, an Uchiha like Obito who was similar to him as a kid. After being warned about the Akatsuki by Jiraiya and specially after getting one shot by Itachi, knowing they were after Naruto, and that Sasuke was in danger of falling into Orochimaru's hands, Kakashi had a lot of motivation as he cared about them so much.
That statement during the Chunin Exams of him being out of shape is vague, but it's also intended to portray the moment Kakashi decides to start training seriously again. I agree that there isn't much time for him to improve until the end of Part 1, but he should be stronger by the beginning of Shippuden, 2.5 years later.
It feels like he peaked in his youth, his accomplishents made if fell like he should have been beasting in some of the later fights he was struggling with. I understand getting washed by Itachi but a few other fights seemed like he just wasn't living up to his reputation.
I think it's funny how some of the most looked down members of the hyuga clan are the most powerful ones,such as hinata mukai and neji with the exception of hanabi which, indicates that their system is based off power more than potential which is so weird since it should be a combination of both but it is to be expected since the naruto world is very corrupt.
@@KristopherDorsey-rq8ek totally agree
We need more videos on Shisui and fugaku they get downplayed way too much they are both really strong I know some people overrate them mainly shisui but all I see is how they are both fodder when they are both incredibly powerful I have some good arguments for where they scale taking information from the novels and anime
Before finishing the video, I'd argue Kage (Low). That alone, prior to the later power progression, would have made Kakashi a legend. It would also fit with the constant praise of him, plus the idea that even people like the Daimyō, who had likely never met him, thought he was a good fit for the Hokage position.
Honestly I keep forgetting how strong mukai is beating 3 tomoe itachi and shisui is insane considering how strong they are I scale them both very high even at that time
@@Robbieuchiha 100%
Probably the war arc or somewhere right before. He was fighting a lot of strong reanimated ninjas and then was fighting off tailed beasts and obito. It couldn’t have been when Sasuke attacked the 5 Kage summit because kamui was the only reason he survived a susanoo arrow from a damn near blind sasuke
Solid analysis, although, Kakashi is mental nerfed in the Sasuke fight
@@sageofthickcalves also, people tend to forget a couple of things about that encounter:
1. Sasuke, due to all of his rage amps, was, ironically the strongest version of himself in the Summit, and when he first arrived, Sasuke was already relative to the Raikage, the (arguably) 2nd strongest Kage at the time. I say Sasuke was relative to the Raikage because while I would never even imply that Sasuke was stronger, it wasn't nearly as much of a one-sided ass whooping as everyone likes to portray it as.
2. Sasuke's Susano'o arrow is significantly faster than Sasuke himself.
@@luluex3 100%
Imagine if kakashi was an Uchiha goddamn that would be broken af
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1 view in 1 minute bro did not fall off
It was my mom tbh
@@sageofthickcalves 😈
When was Kakashi Kage level is a tough question. Because upon his introduction he's really the only Jonin we have and he is the measuring stick for Jonin.
I'd say the moment Naruto falls and Kakashi catches him on his back in the Land of Wind, he's ready to be Kage.
To be fair, Kakashi is never a “standard” Jonin. Even at the beginning of P1, he’s the strongest Jonin in konoha. But I think this is a good answer 🫡
1:46, I would say he’s definitely kage level during the 5 kage summit, holding his own against base sasuke, although fatigued and half blind, should still somewhat scale to his beginning of 5 kage self who was stronger than his curse mark 2 state, who was dominating deidara
Yeah you could easily argue mental nerf as well
@@sageofthickcalves eh, I never really saw it that way since kakashi has always been really resolved in what he does, especially in this case when he’d just saved Sakura from sasuke solidifying his belief of sasuke being too far gone
@@sergperez5484 kakashi states “now I know how the third felt”, implying he’s emotionally struggling with this. We also know the 4th databook implied that Sasuke’s fall into darkness made Kakashi question himself as a leader and shinobi
Back to the OG!
I think kakashi reached kage level after he was revived with rinne rebirth after fight with pain. As he met his father a lot of his mental trauma would have reduced due to which his chakra level and stamina would have increased as we see in war arc his chakra level improved significantly. I think it was because of his meeting with his father. After that kakashi fights with sasuke in five kage summit arc. people downplay kakashi in this fight as fatigued sasuke overpowered him but they should understand that kakashi was facing trauma of facing his own student he did not go all out in this fight. When he gets serious and decides to go all out and kill sasuke he is stopped by naruto. I think this kakashi was equal to kakashi at the start of war arc so i think kakashi reached kage level after getting revived by rinne rebirth and meeting his father which reduced his mental trauma and increased his chakra reserves and stamina
@@Jaishivji777 w take. I argue that after his interaction with his father in Limbo, he reaches the strength we see him with early on in the war arc. He’s mental nerfed in his fight with Sasuke, so that doesn’t really count for his scaling.
if he wasn't nerffed during his ealy anbu days with minato and kushina dying or with other factors he would of reach that kage tier alot earlier in his life.
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Madara predicted Konoha's kage position always being controlled by Senju's... Every "non-Senju" hokage has Senju level chakra feats:
1. Jiraiya can use sage mode without body mods like Naruto and Minato
2. Jiraiya, Minato and Naruto (natural sage mode users) all have the same summoning contract as Rikudo
3. Hiruzen could use all chakra natures, a Rikudo ability according to Jiraiya
4. Even Danzo had a body that could handle Senju transplantation
5. Low chakra Kakashi was spamming mangekyo abilities more than Itachi by the war arc and had a massive chakra boost afterwards
I think the story of the Senju is that of a clan that killed their name while intermarrying into other Konoha clans. That's why so many random Konoha ninja are born with Senju level chakra.
I believe there's a statement about Naruto Generations game cutscenes being canon. If that's the case, we know for a fact that Kakashi's clone (add Shadow Clone Jutsu to the list of A-rank jutsu known by Kakashi) can somewhat pressure Jonin Minato and even touch one of the bells during the test.
"In his youth, Kakashi made some noise as a member of the ANBU, a capable warrior even in this special unit, the sole purpose of which was to take on dark, clandestine missions."
I believe this comes from the Shikamaru Hiden novel.
We can safely say that ANBU Kakashi is superior to a pre-Chunin Exam Part 1 Kakashi. We know he started to train after his hospital bout with Kabuto.
It's a shame that you haven't covered the anime Kakashi ANBU filler arc. I know it's technically not canon, but several things from it are referenced in databooks. Kakashi and Yamato crossing blades? Check. Kakashi speaking about Naruto's birth over Rin's grave? Check. This would also make Kakashi's scaling over Yamato quite significant, considering that Danzo entrusted Yamato with the mission of assassinating Hiruzen.
Would it be fair to assume that you've delved into the Kohinata meta due to some of my comments in your earlier videos?
Excellent work overall.
@@mc_rysiek5277 I appreciate you brother! Yeah I avoided the Generations stuff because, while Cyberconnect said they’re canon to the anime, a) they don’t get that say and b) it doesn’t make it canon to the manga. So the best bet is to not use it as canon material. Basically the same thing applies for the ANBU Kakashi filler. While there are some great moments in there, it actually does contradict the databook 3 statement saying Kakashi cut the bolt of lightning while he was in the ANBU, by having him do it beforehand. But there is some good stuff in there.
That Shikamaru Hiden quote is a great catch 🔥
I apologize man, but I don’t recall your Mukai comments. What did you say?
@@sageofthickcalves I do not remember the ANBU arc touching on Kakashi's lightning feat. I think this was covered in a different filler.
In one of your earlier videos (I think it was the Kakashi vs Itachi one) I've mentioned that Kakashi can be potentially scaled over Kohinata. I was wondering whether you've decided to cover that topic here because of that comment (as I don't think you've covered it before), but maybe I'm too full of myself xD
@@mc_rysiek5277 Yeah I’m not sure if it’s the same exact arc, but regardless, it’s still filler so it can’t be taken into account.
Gotcha. Tbh I don’t remember that, but it was probably planted in the back of my brain haha
@@sageofthickcalves Hey brother, I'd like to draw your attention to one thing I don't believe you've ever mentioned.
During Kakashi's encounter with Orochimaru in Part 1, when Kakashi activates Raikiri he says: "Even if you're one of _those_ three ninja... the man I am today can take you down!" Meaning a pre-retraining Part 1 Kakashi considers himself to be around Sannin-level (which is ~ Kage-level at least). This correlates nicely with the fanbook statement that "anyone going up against him risks death"
Now I know there's this whole argument about Oro making Kakashi crap his pants. A couple of issues with that:
- Kakashi only states that he _can_ beat a Sannin, not that he _would_ for sure. Big difference;
- Oro only used his fear hax after already luring Kakashi into a false sense of security. The moment Oro turns around and starts to depart, Kakashi visibly relaxes, he outright deactivates Raikiri. Furthermore, Kakashi had his Sharingan covered in that instance, and IIRC, Sasuke claimed that Oro's fear hax is genjutsu;
- Oro is, base to base, the strongest of the Sannin. He pretty much low-diffed Jiraiya during the Sannin Deadlock, and while it's true that Jiraiya wasn't at his best, the drug he was injected with was wearing down pretty quickly, while Orochimaru was nerfed to a far greater extent;
To be clear, I'm not saying Kakashi would've beaten Oro in that instance, I don't believe so at all. But between his own statement, the fanbook statement, the databook statement (strongest in the village), and his trackreckord against Kabuto (who fought well against Tsunade), I see nothing problematic about pre-retraining Part 1 Kakashi being around base Sannin-tier, with ANBU Kakashi being obviously superior.
If part 1 Kakashi wasn't already at low kage level, for sure he was kage level in the Akatsuki suppression arc.
Also Kakashi stamina and AP constantly being drained when he gets sharingan. You could argue kakashi gets nerfed at that point. I believe Kakashi would have further developed Raikiri and mastered that variant (to be useful without the sharingan, We've seen in boruto what he did with it)
Kakashi the GOAT 🔥
SPITTIN
An unpopular opinion but I believe Kakashi is one of those characters whose reputation exceeds his own real abilities.
He is strong but, not really in the top tier he has a mind of a kage but has chakra and stamina of a chunin.
To make things worse he always needs support fighters in his battles against the arc villains. Be it zabuza, kakazu and hidan, pain the list goes on.
I can't remember a single chapter in which he dominated a fight against anyone.
Kakashi most definitely has chakra and stamina above that of your average Chunin, it’s just not elite amongst jonin until the war arc.
As far as Zabuza, he dog walked him the second fight with no issues, after being rusty the first time around and underestimating Zabuza. He also had no issues with Hidan, but you could say that he did with Kakuzu, although he does outright state that he didn’t have to go all out.
Again, Kakashi dominated Zabuza the second time around, and he also beat the brakes off of multiple Chunin/Jonin during konoha crush. He easily solod the demon brothers in the first arc of the show. During the war arc, he was able to go toe to toe with and best multiple level 2 bijuu, and forced them to go into their full transformations. The problem is that Kakashi is almost always put against characters who are absurdly strong, like high kage level strong. Kakuzu was capable of defeating a bijuu by himself. Itachi is above the Sannin. Pain is on that same tier. Who else did he objectively lose to in a 1v1 other than Itachi and Pain? Even Kakuzu was only able to get the edge because Kakashi had to save Team 10 multiple times, and Kakashi still was never forced to use his MS.
I don’t think it’s so much that Kakashi is overrated in verse, but more so that a) people are referring to a younger, stronger Kakashi when referencing his strength (copy ninja nickname came from his time in the ANBU) and b) he routinely faces off against absolute monsters.
Anbu Kakashi just lightning blade people’s hearts no mercy which is why he got recommended to leave
He changed his fighting style after leaving the anbu to the relaxed defensive fighting style we see him use
@@sageofthickcalves your explanation itself proves what I am saying in the first place.
I never said Kakashi isn't strong I just said he ain't *the guy* you would bet against your arc's main villain because he needs support fighters to tag him.
Yeah he dog walked zabuza in the second one but it's really of no use as he got caught in the water prison in the first one and if not for Naruto and sasuke that would have the end for him.
Guy on the other hand who is always implied to be a tad bit weaker or behind Kakashi in terms of relative strength actually dog walked Kisame first his 30 percent clone and then the real one (although without Samehada) but still that feat still states he is actually way stronger than Kakashi in all combative aspects as Zabuza is no where near Kisame.
Another feat of embarrassment for the great lord 7th 💩 is his face of with Kabuto in the hospital in part 1 where he got literally outsmarted by a nobody who is not even a fighter but a medical ninja.
The fight in which he went toe to toe against multiple level 2 bijju he was supported by 7th gate guy and B so thats not a *lone feat of strength* you take guy and B out of that battle and I wouldn't be surprised if Kakashi gets killed in seconds , but the same can't be said for eight gates guy who I believe could actually fight alone by himself against obito and the tailed beats six paths in the eighth gate form (whether he wins or not is debatable)
@@AMJ564 First of all, Kakashi is one of the main characters. He’s got hella plot armor. Deal with it. Secondly, Guy is like a DBZ character who got lost and found himself in Ninja-land. His kit is boring. (Unpopular opinion.)
Lastly, Naruto became a battle of “my power’s more hax than yours!” during the second part, and less about skill. Kakashi is one of those characters who are still effective just by sheer intelligence and ability alone. The only thing that held him back was that he wasn’t an Uchiha so he had constant chakra drain due to the Sharingan.
Gangster Kakashi really becomes a whole Kage level at the war arc fr
He holds up to 6th gate Guy, the v2 cloaks, kcm Naruto, Minato and Obito, in the war he was already more powerful than the Raikage and Tsunade, even tho kamui is a big part of it he already scales physically to all of those characters
Then there's post-war Kakashi who is just way much more stronger and packs a whole another level of chakra reserves
Also idk about you but I think Pain arc Kakashi beats Mei, so he was already starting to be at least like Sanin or low kage level at like Kakazu's or Pain fight
Solid analysis fs
I'm honestly surprised that Kakashi isnt stronger than he is considering how powerful he was at a young age
@@Tres_okoye well, when you consider the fact that he’s Otsusuki level in Boruto, it makes sense
Power in Naruto isn't really so linear. Learning how to use all five nature transformations is a significant buff to variability which boosts one's AP for sure. Being fast helps. Having lots of chakra helps, for sure. It's a combination of things that work together to create a level of power and ability. Which is why I hate alot of the newer developments, including some in shippuden. They felt cheap and chakra centric, rather than a valid way to measure ability. As long as you have lots of chakra you can spam to win in some parts of Naruto: Shippuden
@@xavierthomas5835 the point I was making is that Kakashi’s depression nerf brought him down a significant amount, and it wasn’t until after his battle with Obito in the war that it was lifted. He then goes on to become borderline Otsusuki level, which tracks when you consider that
@@sageofthickcalves It definitely tracks, no argument there, it's just a let down that it doed indeed track.
Just found this channel only following for the name 👌
@@MsDogman5 haha well I hope you stay for the content 🫡 I appreciate the sub!
What about the Guy scale?
I’ll do one at some point
@@sageofthickcalves I mean what about the Guy scale when it comes to determine Kakashi's strenght.
@@absgames9425 oh gotcha. Yeah ANBU Kakashi should just be significantly above Guy tbh. I don’t think they’re rivals until Kakashi gets rusty and out of shape
Kakashi became Kage level by the Kakazu fight
Without Kamui?
I am positive that kakashi in the 5 kage summit arc is when he is Kage level cause Before he pulled out kamui kakashi was boxing sasuke and sasuke fought the 5 kage but did lose. after watching the vid Bro kakashi was kage level during either Kakazu fight or Deidera
Hey why don't you do what if where Kakashi has chakra level just like Naruto and he was keeping up his training.
That would be insane
@@sageofthickcalves and that is why I'm asking you to do it
I mean Kakashi was able to combat Kakuzu on an equal leveling without using Kamui and I pretty sure he even said he was confident in being able to end the fight at any point with Kamui. So yeah even if you think that Kakuzu isn't Kage level that would still be the point where he is just outright beyond the Jonin and Anbu Tier.
But if we're talking about undeniably smack dab within Kage Tier it would be 5 Kage Summit. The fact that he was able to do even the slightest things against Sasuke at that point shows that he is definitely within that tier of characters even without Kamui.
Yeah I’d say Kakuzu is low kage level. Kakashi with Kamui is > that, but without is probably equal to or slightly below.
Still waiting on that Kakashi vs Kabuto video 🤣
@@jason15212 I’m sorry bro 🤣
I just realized something does itachi know of Kakashi peak power in the anbu my guess is no since itachi only saw glimpses of anbu Kakashi's power.
@@KristopherDorsey-rq8ek yeah they were on the same team together, but then Itachi had his own team for over a year so Kakashi could’ve gotten stronger in that time.
Shouldn't Kakashi ninja dog recognize obito's scent after the diedara fight when they mentioned two of those scents belong to akasutki
@@albertovaldovinos9897 you could say his scent changed from gaining Hashirama cells
So Kakashi goes/downgrades from mid-Kage level in the ANBU, to elite Jonin when he's first introduced?
I’d argue he’s either at the absolute peak of jonin level or the absolute floor of kage level in part 1. But yeah 4-5 years of not training or going in difficult missions will do that
@@sageofthickcalves Does that put Zabuza at the absolute peak of Jonin as well?
@@i.q.1979 no he’s a bit below Kakashi. Kakashi fought him differently when it was 1v1 and dominated him, so being forced to take into account protecting team 7 and Tazuna was definitely an obstacle for Kakashi there. I’d say Zabuza is high jonin, though
I had to come back to this video, I had something in my mind. If Kakashi had left the Anbu and worked like a regular jounin and not an instructor. Would he still be that much weaker? I just want to know how much of a difference that would make for his strength...
Great question. I think that the implication from his statement in the Zabuza fight is that he hasn’t been on an A or S rank mission in a long time. So the fact that he’d be going on easier missions would lead to him being much more rusty.
@@sageofthickcalves yeah, but don't regular jounin go on those? (Obviously Kakashi wouldn't have because he was just failing genin) But if he was asked to leave the Anbu and just went back to being a regular-degular jounin he probably would still have gone on difficult missions no?
What I mean is, what's the difference in an S rank mission provided to an Anbu and an S rank mission provided to a jounin who isn't an Anbu and how would have that affected Kakashi after he left the Anbu
@@MaríaCamilaBolívarBetancourt well, Kakashi implies that he hasn’t been on a mission like the Land of Waves mission for a long time, and that was an A rank missions
@@MaríaCamilaBolívarBetancourt In military terms, Kakashi was combat ineffective as he was suffering from PTSD. (Think about that scene in which he kills an enemy ninja instead of bringing him in for interrogation.) He got taken off the ANBU and got relegated to a Jonin team leader, which is pretty much babysitting children. Which was a damn shame because Kakashi was one of their biggest assets. That would probably explain his being “rusty” or not being up to par with his ANBU self.
@@joshuajose4868 thanks for explaining 🤍✨
If anbu kakashi is above fugaku even with fugaku ms he’s very powerful considering how strong fugaku is I scale him relative to early ms itachi and above the base sannin but that’s just where I scale fugaku I know a lot of people will disagree with my scaling which is fine people usually don’t agree with my scaling on certain characters like fugaku Shisui and tobirama even late war kakashi and peak ems sasuke people disagree with my scaling but I’m confident in my scaling of these characters even if some people disagree
Question how come in the flashbacks we see guy participating in the chunin exams despite not being old enough to graduate from the academy? I also found it weird and a bit inconsistent the Kakashi age of graduating from the academy as there is nothing in the flashbacks to imply he was 6 nor anything in the anime to say he was 6. So it feels more like someone added it randomly and it stuck. Because i don't think Kishimoto actually thought of it or cared about that detail
With Guy, TECHNICALLY he could’ve been 1.5 years older than Kakashi and the ages work if you say Kakashi graduated when he was 5.5 years old. However, Obito’s adult age is just incorrect. It doesn’t work under any circumstance.
Kakashi states in the manga he became a Chunin at 6, and there are at least 7 databook and novel statements backing up his graduation/Chunin promotion ages. So yeah you can just say the adult ages for some of them are wrong
16:02 Hey question where is that statement from? Like i don't remember where people say Baki is the strongest jonin in the sand
Yeah he’s called “extremely powerful” in databook 1, was put in charge of the royal kids’ team, he was capable of defeating Hayate, as well as swapping hands with Genma for a bit, and is a high ranking member on the Suna council. So technically it’s not stated he’s the strongest, but it makes sense with all things considered. Especially being in charge of Gaara’s team.
@@sageofthickcalves Wouldn't chiyo be stronger
@@Redoren966Chiyo is retired
If Kakashi didn't stop training after he keft the anbu, he would have easily been Kage Level at the start of part 1 or low Kage level. Then by Shippuden, he would definitely be Sanin level by then.
@@revalier3670 100%
I hate.. HATE when people cling to that “Kabuto is equal to kakashi “ or whatever it is statement simply because Jiraiya and Oro say it when neither of them necessarily have seen all Kakashi was capable of.
I Think the only reach is that anbu Kakashi is over Mukai. Different adjectives for their praise isn’t enough to put him at or below Mukai as an anbu captain.
@@robertdoyle2586 right, it’s just that Kakashi has better lore implications, and he was his captain while being younger than him. At worst, they’re relative
Kakashi been him since 6
Spittin
I don't mean to toot my own horn, but did my comment on your short inspire this video?
16:25 KIsame stop! If you take this man onz it won't be without cost.
I can't tell if Itachi is sizing up Kakashi in real time or if he too is simply thinking back on his time with his captain back when they were in the Anbu. I'm leaning more on the latter which would also put late Anbu Kakashi above his paet 1 self.
16:50 more on Yamato ruclips.net/video/mPs3gLB7CeA/видео.htmlsi=DXU3FatTqJk-O3kb
@@Breeze06 did the comment come from before the video dropped? I’m not sure. I know I’ve wanted to do this topic from the time I started the channel, but it may have helped
My comment was posted about 3 months ago on your kid Kakashi is broken short.
I have a video request, I think you might like. Compare the Kakashi against the immortal duo fight with the Hiruzen vs Orochimaru one. The old man and Kakashi were outnumbered. Both these fights feel so alike. The fact that Kakuzu has a parallel plot with Sakumo is as if Kakashi was fighting his father. Talk about their feats as well as their crutches/nerfs.Then have Kakashi and Hiruzen swap places.
Part 1 is mentally nerfed and shippuden he’s slowly getting back to what he was prior to the series and even stronger than that by the war. Kakashi was a Kage level ninja as an Anbu. Even as a Jonin he was always considered worthy of being a Kage. So the answer from the age of 12 he was at the very least low Kage level and by the time around Minato’s death he was firmly there.
Novels not really canon so idk but this video was fire
They are cannon lol
@@QGUU the novels are canon. Shueisha has them as a part of their canonical timeline (Shueisha co-owns the Naruto IP, so they’re allowed to make those decisions). Here’s a link to their website showing it:
web.archive.org/web/20220813035547/www.narutoapp.jp/chronology/
You can also find this in the Boruto Jump magazine.
@@Katakurienergy nahhh
@@sageofthickcalves Yeah… I disagree still lol. The timeline is just showing where the novels take place (and it’s literally just them putting novels in order) that doesn’t mean it’s canon, and just because they have access to the IP doesn’t mean anything they do is canon. So yeah nah, not canon. Still a great video tho
@@sageofthickcalves Like you could fit filler arcs into a timeline that doesn’t make it canon.
i think he's kage level at end of the series
Duh
I love Kakashi but i feel his potential might not be as high as one would assume. Like him graduating at 5 and 6 respectively is great but from what i gathered some Naruto characters had higher well spring of how they could go if that makes sense. Kakashi is still insane and definitely at least in the top 10 prodigies
Are you familiar with how strong he is as Hokage?
@@sageofthickcalves I am i am still not sure it's that high
His potential was stunted by what happened to his dad, Rin, Minato/Kushina and obito.
Once he worked those out his true potential emerged in the war arc.
His whole story line is overcoming CPTSD
Please do a collab with TG 🙏
We’ve got some stuff planned 🙏🏼 I have a few old ones with him, but we need more for sure
@@sageofthickcalves great can’t wait 👍
I would say kakashi was kage level without kamui either in beginning of shippuden of kakazu fight
That wouldn’t even add up
Didn’t Mukai just lose to Itachi and Shisui only because of his seal?
If I’m fighting someone and he’s beating the ish out of me, and I luck out by hitting something that makes a rock fall on his head, I wouldn’t consider it a win. Did I survive? Yes, did the other die? Yes. Did I cause his death? Kind of… did I beat him? No.
Mukai lost because of Shisui’s MS, which Danzo didn’t know about when saying that Shisui + Itachi is > Fugaku. So Mukai beating down Shisui + Itachi before Shisui uses MS allows for the scaling chain to work
Elite Jonin tier isn’t a real thing really, it’s just something the fandom decided to call Asuma, Guy, and Kakashi, so him being a powerful Jonin doesn’t really mean much other than he was stronger than regular base level jonin
firmly kage level? War arc. well if we include the low-kage level. Low kage level maybe all of shippuuden.
We’re penetrating Rin with Chidori with this one
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@@sageofthickcalves aye I’ll watch the vid in ten minutes, I was at a restaurant.
@@MZOver you’re good brother! Lmk what you think
@@sageofthickcalves w vid. I agree with what you said
@@MZOver 🙏🏼
Honestly when you compare kid Kakashi to other characters who where of a similar level of power by roughly the same age give or take a few years, it's kinda weird he wasn’t kage level by the time he was 15-21 years of age. He was a jonin at age 12
@@dylanbarrett508 he was actually a jonin by 10, which is crazier. So yeah I think it makes sense for him to be kage level in the ANBU
The reason Tsunade finds it hard to believe that Kakashi would lose to itachi and Kisame seems to be cause she's ignorant of their strength.
She may be ignorant about Kisame's strength, but not Itachi's. At least not fully. Like everyone else, she was under the impression Itachi massacred the entire Uchiha Clan by himself.
Mukai should be below Hyuga leaders. This might point to all top Hyugas being High Kage level as well
@@wanttogetfood I don’t agree with this because Mukai is stated to have overcome his byakugan limitation, but I’m not upset with that interpretation
Fugaku’s MS was only known by itachi and itachi alone though
@@ajayimoses2495 Konoha has a whole profile on it in their secret scrolls, complete with a drawn design. We see this in Boruto. Having a file on it with an illustration of what the eye looks like means they would’ve had to have gotten that intel before he died.
Danzo thinking shisui and Itachi are above fugaku is not reliable. Danzo also thought the boys were able to handle Mukai.. and he was wrong.
One thing I’ve learned from Naruto is charcaters dont truly knows just how strong other characters are relative to each other
@@mattys6106 saying he thought they’d be able to handle Mukai is a bit weird because even he said it would be a challenge
The Byakugan has genjutsu resistance? Where does it say that?
@@playlist-master7382 the byakugan can break genjutsu, since Ao used his byakugan to break Yagura out of Obito’s genjutsu. If the byakugan can break genjutsu, it must have genjutsu resistance
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Could a end of third great ninja war kakashi solo or at least beat most of the uchiha clan if that kakashi did the uchiha massacre
@@anime_world6684 probably imo
Kakashi by the time he fights kakuzu or Pain.
ANBU Kakashi.
He beats Chojuro who is a kage.
Doubt Danzo knew about Fugaku MS
Idk. I mean konoha has a whole file on it in Boruto, and they would’ve had to have gotten that info before he died, since it has a drawing of the design
I do not hate Emperor Penguins.
@@JophesCT W
@@sageofthickcalves Thanks.
If he was in his 20s when he said he had been in the ambu 8 years then he wouldn’t be 9-10 that’s how math works
@@kain7813 he joined the ANBU at 12. He was 20 when Itachi meets him in the ANBU. This means he had been in the ANBU for 8 years. But yeah, he does stay at least another year, so he would’ve been in the ANBU for at least 9 years. That is, in fact, how math works.
Just wanted to point out one plot hole. Kakashi having chidori in the kanami bridge arc makes no sense. Because as per the minato one shot. Minato is developing the rasengan during that time. Keep in mind in the one shot kakashi was an anbu by that time meaning he shouldnt have a chidori since chidori was explicitly stated by him that it was developed when he could not apply chakra nature to the rasengan. See the massive plot hole here?
@@childe7556 the Minato one shot takes place 5-ish years before Kannabi Bridge
Thank You Sage. I’ve been trying to get people to understand Kakashi being 3-4 years younger than everybody in his class. Eventually they made everybody the same age as him from some reason but I remember seeing him be the youngest Jonin at 26 whole Gai Asuma etc.. were 30 years old in part 1.
Yup! The databook graduation ages confirm the age gap. The databook 4 adult age for Obito is just an error
Actually, kakashis dad was still alive when kakashi was in academy
No he wasn’t, not in the manga. We see him alive while Kakashi is being enrolled into the academy, but he’s not alive while Kakashi is actually going to class and such.
this video kinda pisses me off. Not the quality of the video itself as it's an amazing video but the fact that a character like Mukai is just reserved to novels and not part of the main story. The hyuga clan really needed some more love from kishimoto.
Yeah Kishi straight up ignores the Hyuga for the vast majority of the series lmao
The Kakashi who fought Kakuzu is low kage level imo, not on the level of the hokage but just below the sannin and likely comparable to kage like Mei. If Kakashi had a better mental state and kept up his practice he would probably have been kage level in part one.
I respect that
@@sageofthickcalves im trying to be conservative here lol, my bias wants to say Kakashi was born Kage level😂
@@damonwade6591 I mean he’s undeniably mid-high jonin level at 10 so pretty close 🤣
Pretty strong
Waterfang bullet being light speed makes no sense more like speed of sound or hypersonic
It’s stated to be light speed. I also think it makes sense when you consider that it’s Itachi and Kakashi we’re talking about here
Pain Arc
Danzo doesn’t know fugaku has a ms because he kept it a secret so he would be talking about 3 tomoe fugaku when he’s talking about his strength I don’t think fugaku is just kage level either I think he’s higher in the tier at least mid kage level based on what we know and Shisui is the strongest of the Uchiha clan but I’m not going to go in to my scaling of these 2 I already told you before unless you forgot then I can tell you again im not sure if you remember me I commented a couple times on videos before
@@Robbieuchiha I agree Danzo MAY not have known about it, but him hiding it is only in the anime, and he was regarded as kage level regardless. You could argue he did know about it, though, since he has ANBU spies watching them around the clock, and he also would’ve gotten intel from his Root agents about how he accomplished his feats during the war.
I do remember you. I have no issues with Shisui being the strongest at that point, but that would still mean Kakashi > Mukai > 3T Itachi & 3T Shisui > Fugaku (kage level regardless of interpretation).