Wait if they had cameras in the Uchiha Clan then they knew about Obito who was as Madara killing half of the clan? And also did not attaching kill his parents while crying did they cut off the talking in the camera or was it never shown? I doubt Danzo had that much control before making it not seem suspicious to Kakashi who was a killing machine during this time and got maximum results he would try to get as much information before killing Itachi as he is a traitor the the hidden leaf village.
@@paragmurthy5411 Danzo had men from the Foundation in the ANBU, on that surveillance team actually. So there are a couple of possibilities here. 1: Kakashi & his team saw the video as it was happening and headed to the compound before watching all of it, but were too late 2: Danzo’s men were in charge of surveillance that night so Kakashi and co. were just shown clips of it in a debriefing. This would allow for Danzo to selectively choose what’s shown Either way, I think it’s VERY likely that Kakashi would’ve seen at least some of the footage before Danzo ushered it away. Since Hiruzen was in on it as well, he would’ve helped.
Something worth mentioning 2:53 is the fact even low leaf jonin level is still high jonin in other villages. For example some chunin who are only jonin due to one are are able to push Sand jonin who are high tier
New sub🤟 you actually know how to scale itachi and based on your past vids it seems you’re not a fanboy unlike a lot of other channels😂 straight facts and logical scaling💯 also here because that swagkage kid seems to forget he has a YT channel with a million subs😐
I disagree with certain takes you’ve had in the past but I’m reaaally liking your content. Was up the air originally about subbing cause I’m following so many Narutotubers but you’re great man
Databook 2 states even among the strongest uchiha, he emitted an intense light. This was in sasukes section so could be talking at any point but is atleast talking of the day of the massacre since that's the picture used.
9:18 something i feel worth noting is that the uchiha clan are the strongest clan above even the hyuga and are almost considered the reason why there is peace in one of the sourcebooks. So i feel it might be worth noting high jonin wouldn't be able to do that at least not easily
Could you make a "If Itadori and Naruto Switched Places" one? Where recently born Naruto goes to JJK with Kurama in him and recently born Itadori goes to Konoha with 20 Fingers Sukuna in him, they both keep their names, appearence and powers, the powers interact with chackra and cursed energy? I think it would be cool to see Itadori dealing with the treatment Naruto received from the village, his abilities developing until he inherited Sukuna's powers before even graduating as a Genin, him going against Haku and so on. He could actually befriend Lee since they both are strong but can't use jutsu (I think it's cool if both Naruto and Itadori are limited in only their universe's powers, even though they interact with chackra/CS). And Naruto joining Jujutsu High to stop the curses, befriending Kurama, using (in JJK inhabitants' eyes, a variety of cursed techniques) his world's jutsu and so on.
Even if Itachi is basically a pacifist, that doesn't mean that he can't mobilize and adapt in an unnatural situation, especially if the confrontation is a serious one, he prefers most of the time to finish the fights as quickly as possible, that's why Itachi should never be underestimated. Itachi lived his whole life so that Sasuke could defeat him and become an Uchiha hero as well as a hero of the leaf. That, obviously, didn’t go as planned. However, it did allow Sasuke to grow and begin to start asking the right questions that would eventually lead him to becoming the man he (Itachi) wanted him to be. (Itachi was killed so that Sasuke could grow more powerful both as a character (to us in a real world moral sense) and as a Ninja. Itachi from the get go was extremely talented which more precisly means that Itachi just like Minato was pretty much an unique, authentic and especially unpredictable Shinobi which could exceed or overcome almost any expectations. (at least that's what we were shown in the anime by the creator Masashi Kishimoto himself) In my opinion No One in the series should underestimate such an unpredictable Shinobi like Itachi, even Madara (I won't say that Itachi can beat him, but at least he will be pretty much able to put a decent fight that Madara will also be impressed in my opinion). That is why it is arguable/debatable that he probably could or could not defeat foes like Minato, Obito or Pain/Nagato. Itachi was also a prodigy from birth and he knew all sorts of tricks and he's definitely a troublesome fellow to encounter. In my opinion, they are both very versatile, unique, interesting and especially very unpredictable in their way of fighting style approach. If you make an effort to look or to rewatch at all of Itachi's fights, you might discover that he's pretty much always able to outsmart anyone during a fight or a encounter, because of his unpredictability in his way of fighting style approach. His way of thinking and his calmness, intelligence and battle IQ experience factor it's very authentic and underrated, his true potential remain still unknown, because he wasn't go all out against anyone during the series.🤷🏻♂️☯️ I don't understand how some of you guys even dare or can to underestimate Itachi like that, many of you guys forget that Itachi isn't just any ordinary shinobi either, he is still considered by a very wide range of Naruto connoisseurs to be a very unique and unpredictable character at the same time and no one should underestimate him as some of you guys currently do. ;/ ☯️🤷🏻♂️What you have to remember, is that even in his battle with Sasuke, he has been fighting to lose. Itachi has always attempted to avoid conflict at all costs. He has to maintain his cover as an Akatsuki member, so he has to make viable excuses to avoid battle. When he says that fighting Jiraiya would have serious consequences, we know that he has an innate desire not to fight anyone at all, let alone a hero of the leaf, and he was a spy protecting Konoha from shadows. He could have killed Kakashi with ease. Kakashi even states that Itachi could have killed him, and wondered why he didn't. Knowing this, it is easy to see the pieces that point to a picture of Itachi that is devastatingly powerful in combat. In his confrontation with Asuma and Kurenai when he enters Konoha, we see him send Kurenai flying a large distance with a simple kick. We also see him deflect chidori, and snap Sasuke's arm like a twig with a single hand. He also sends Sasuke flying clear down the hallway with another kick in this fight. He is obviously a powerful, versatile, unpredictable and underrated taijutsu user. We know that he can kill with a glance using Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu, and become nearly invincible with his Susanoo. We see him use exploding clones, (it's his one of his unpredictability in his fighting way approach) powerful genjutsu not linked to his sharingan, ( with a single point of a one of his fingers) and making hand seals at insane speeds. He kicks the shit out of Kakashi and he barely moves. Tobi also tells us himself that Itachi could have killed him if it weren't for carefully guarded secrets. Orochimaru beats Tsunade and Jiraiya without the use of his arms. Granted, Jiraiya was drugged, but it's still the point. Orochimaru couldn't use seals at all. Itachi obliterated Orochimaru effortlessly. Itachi has been a step above from the beginning. In order for him to keep his cover in Akatsuki, he had to avoid conflict without arousing suspicion, and the best way to do that was to present himself as being much less powerful than he actually is. The one thing we have been able to see in detail, is his intelligence and unpredictability in his fighting way approach. Itachi has been shown to be able to plan events years in advance, to account for possible flaws in his plans with powerful contingencies, and to use every possibility to his advantage. Shikamaru plans a few hours in advance, and we label him a tactical genius. If that is the case, what does one even call Itachi? The only real flaws that Itachi possesses is a smaller chakra reserves, and his own morality which keeps him from gaining Eternal Mangekyo. But even the chakra is arguable. The techniques we see him use are enormously powerful, and would therefor have a huge chakra cost. I'm not going to say he is the most powerful character in the anime, but I am going to say he is definitely very very high on that list, and probably higher than most people seem to give him credit for. Lastly but not least, Kishimoto made sure that Itachi was seen as someone special and he did an incredible job in establishing that in the story.
Also another worth considering Danzo does say he is below but still jonin which could mean he is around if not above Hayate who is not a jonin besides one. If Danzo meant he was only jonin he would have said so.
If you use the anime which I know a lot of people don’t but I do itachi during the massacre said fugaku was his worst possible matchup and that it’s going to be a battle of ms meaning it probably would have been a very close fight but fugaku didn’t want to have a death match with his son so in my opinion massacre itachi and fugaku are close in power itachi can still be stronger than him but i don’t think it’s by much and fugaku being that strong makes since to me at least based on the information we have about him like him having the ms a being a hokage candidate and being feared in the 3rd war as wicked eye fugaku
Took it solo. Set the record for forest of death…solo. Neither Minato nor kakashi completed that quickly and they had 2 teammates each with them. Didn’t break a sweat
Obito took out the women and children, so Itachi actually fought all of the difficult members without being touched. Considering the uchiha clan has always been stated to be the strongest along with the senju, its safe to say that Itachi is bare minimum Kage level. Imo the massacre or right after was when he was at the peak of his power because he wasnt affected by illness, assuming he already has the spirit weapons. You could argue he found those weapons in the 1 year gap between shisuis death and the massacre just to prepare a little more for a possible war. But thats just a theory.
@12:24 are we talking actual word only in passages real novels, or long form manga? If the latter i dont think its fair to call that a novel. Heres hoping it was the former, though im doubtful. Also great vid of course. On 3rd rewatch
@@attackonyugioh92 If you’re asking whether I’m talking about an actual novel or just long form text passages in the manga, when I say “novel” I’m talking about an actual novel. In particular, the novels referenced here are the Itachi Shinden novels.
@@flight_knight_ I mean there’s never any implication that Itachi is above his father. The only scaling implications we get in regards to how Fugaku and Itachi scale to one another is just that Itachi can make a fire ball that can only be bested by Shisui and Fugaku.
@@flight_knight_ he’s only tasked with wiping out his clan after he awakens the MS. You can argue MS Itachi is ≈ Fugaku for sure, but pre-MS is not on that level. Also, Danzo sent him to take them out in the middle of the night while they’re all sleeping. For all we know, he expected him to take out Fugaku in his sleep.
@@sageofthickcalves Where is Fugaku's confirmed MS? I thought that was anime filler only. During the massacre Itachi just is straight up stronger than Fugaku once he has MS. The clan being sleeping is not relevant because Naruto has plenty of failed ambushes stopped by simply being stronger which Fugaku would've done if he was. If it's pre MS Itachi I'd just say they're equal just to be generous to Fugaku. But Itachi has more to go off of using his base sharingan feats that you showed in the video or base sharingan after Shisui died. Nothing there to say Fugaku is stronger. Shisui was stronger than both because of his abilities but there's no abilities or feats for Fugaku just rank/status.
@@sageofthickcalves I asked because Fugaku MS was brief in the video. If he has them I guess he has a theoretical chance against Koto and Tsukuyomi. But he still remains with no feats or abilities to say he's above or below anyone with certainty.
The Sharingan's eye of insight was used as compensation for the jutsu's flaw. Which was to force the user to move too fast for their own good. Kakashi wasn't the problem, the Chidori was. The only way Minato could work around that flaw is by using it in conjunction with FTG or Sage Mode. Otherwise, he, too, would fall victim to tunnel vision.
@@Triax1211 it’s not necessarily a speed thing. It’s just that the Chidori (when used over a certain distance) boosts your speed beyond its normal limit to a certain degree, which is where the piercing power comes from. Anyone can use a technique LIKE the Chidori without that, but no he wouldn’t be able to properly react to speed beyond his normal limits.
@sageofthickcalves I always the tunnel vision was a byproduct of moving that fast in the first place so that's where my confusion came from. Thanks for answering tho.
I'm still mad about the fucking pre-academy smashing boulders as a toddler feat. Find yourself a girl that rides you as hard as the light novels ride Itachi.
If Itachi can defeat multiple Jonin/Clan Leaders with Sharingan at once that’s stronger than just “Peak Jonin.” Did you forget how strong the Sharingan is? It made Obito go from shitting his pants to combatting a Jonin Squad alongside Kakashi.
@@flight_knight_ Obito was already a Chunin when he obtained the sharingan, and he awakened it with 2 tomoe off rip. Not every circumstance is like that. For example, Izumi awoke her sharingan while still in the academy and yet didn’t become a genin until a few years later.
Orochimaru’s comment that implies the spirit weapons that itachi’s susanoo possess can be searched for and found are completely wrong. The susanoo manifests from the persons nature. Orochimaru may know of them based on myth and legend. It’s the same way that madaras ability to use limbo because of being so uncomfortable with people standing behind his back. Itachi’s a pacifist, which is why the sword doesn’t stab and kill, it seals the person in a world of DREAMS. The shield manifests from his desire to protect. This is why orochimaru could not find them. TLDR: They are made manifest by the persons true nature.
@@joshfarrow9707 the reaper is ethereal. Spiritual energy is ethereal, yet Tayuya’s snake things are almost entirely spiritual energy. This would not be a new concept
@@sageofthickcalves yes but that's die to her abilities she has, but we know that Susanoo's have special traits like Sasuke gets his bow and Itachi got the tostska blade and yatamirror. I still don't see how sound 4 characters should be compared to the susanoo abilities. Is their a statement that for sure saying those are physical weapons as that would be the case of orochimaru got his hands on them.
@@joshfarrow9707 sure, but Orochimaru knew about these items before ever seeing Itachi’s susano’o, so how did he know about them without them being connected to Itachi?
@@sageofthickcalves so if you look at Uchiha abilities in the warring states period those abilities would have existed before Itachi as we know amaterasu and and kotoamatsukami is also seen by another ninja. Orochimaru would know of those from records that talk about them but don't give the full understanding about them
@@joshfarrow9707 the Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror are never described as MS abilities. They’re described as spirit weapons. I’m not saying that they CANT be inherited MS abilities, but you can’t prove that they ARE either. I just think it’s more likely, based on how they’re described, that they’re weapons that can be acquired
Fugaku's ms is only anime canon. Plus Sasuke says there's no way Itachi could've taken on the police force solo, who are the top dogs of the uchiha clan, and Itachi admits that's why Obito helped him with the massacre.
@@aymanriki1018 Fugaku’s MS is canon to the Boruto anime, which makes it canon overall. Itachi could’ve been lying to Sasuke. I think Shisui would know more about Itachi’s power than Sasuke would.
@@sageofthickcalves I wonder like how he would do when he just gets MS cause I feel like he got a hang of it pretty quickly. I think before MS he could give Jiraiya Mid Diff maybe slightly higher if being generous
@@legendaryyetunknown6973 well, Hanzo only beat them when they were still young and relatively inexperienced. He also fought them in the water, which is stated to be where he’s at his strongest. There’s a databook statement saying NOBODY can match him in the water 💀 But the problem is Amaterasu doesn’t care about water and neither does Tsukuyomi
Why didn't any uchiha awaken ms at family/friends funerals? Surely, someone awakened their ms at the mention that a friend or family died in a mission..
@@Breeze06 rasa as an edo was sort of relative to gaara, yagura is most certainly stronger than mei considering he had control over the 3 tails as jinchuriki
I disagree with your interpretation of Kakashi's statement, because if Kakashi saw Itachi fight the clan from the security camera why would he be so surprised by Itachi having the mangekyo which he used multiple times during the massacre. It would also be weird for Kakashi to be more afraid of Orochimaru than a guy who solo'd the strongest clan in the village. Kakashi also directly states in Chapter 396 when seeing the aftermath of Itachi vs Sasuke that it's the first time he's seen the amaterasu While it is insane from a scaling perspective, it could be a callback to what Kakashi told Naruto after encountering Haku, that there are kids in the naruto world younger than naruto, but stronger than kakashi.
@@ryancollins8455 The Amaterasu on Suguru happens after he leaves the Uchiha compound. I mean I do think that Kakashi is referencing Itachi in that statement, as Naruto and Itachi would’ve been 12 at the points in time being referenced. However, it doesn’t mean anything for this because Itachi has his MS at 12, and I put that Itachi over the Sannin.
@@sageofthickcalves i mentioned the amaterasu specifically because you mentioned kakashi likely seeing it at 16:10 But considering Kakashi didn't seem to know about itachi's MS at all in their part 1 encounter, I don't think the statement can be referring to MS itachi, it would make more sense for it to be pre MS itachi as that's the itachi kakashi spent time with
@@ryancollins8455 yeah I misspoke. I should’ve said, “he could’ve seen the Amaterasu”. Why would watching him use Tsukuyomi and a sword on the uchiha clan lead Kakashi to knowing about the MS? The Tsukuyomi could’ve just been assumed to be a regular sharingan genjutsu.
@@sageofthickcalves i guess that's fair, but wouldn't he see the pattern of the mangekyo? Though it depends on the camera angles which is impossible to determine lol But it seems weird that kakashi would use a statement about itachi being an anbu captain at 13 rather than "i saw him no diff murderbseveral police force members of the world's strongest clan" I guess it's just a case of where Itachi's power doesn't match his reputation, because everyone in the village seems to understand only jiraiya/hiruzen can fight orochimaru but people like asuma and kakashi fight itachi with no hesitation, or even random ninja in a bar saying they wished they got to itachi first after news got out sasuke killed him But either way its hard to tell since in universe its not like kakashi would differentiate between early and later versions of anbu itachi
@@ryancollins8455 yeah it would be weird to assume that the camera would zoom in on his eye like that. To be fair, they already know about him killing his clan. They just may not know the extent of how impressive it was. So the ANBU captain statement could be a reinforcing statement. Yeah I think Kakashi’s reaction supports what you’re saying there, as well as what I’m saying. Asuma and Kurenai wouldn’t have been privy to that info, but Kakashi would’ve. So they could’ve just assumed he assassinated all of them in their sleep or something, whereas the higher ups and the ANBU would’ve known more. I think the cover photo for the chapter pointing to the massacre backs this up too. Kishimoto is very intentional with those. I do think, based on what we get in canon, there’s a pretty drastic difference between the Itachi that Kakashi would’ve known and the one who murdered the uchiha clan. There’s nothing that gets pre-MS Itachi to solidly in that kage level tier, but obviously MS Itachi is far above that. So I don’t think Kakashi would’ve been so pressed about facing someone who’s high jonin-low kage, since he’s at that same level.
@@sageofthickcalvesProbably is considering Itachi not long after this fodderized a sanin in base 3 tomoe and that Sanin is massively more powerful than Kakashi is
@@Redoren966 that was after awakening the MS, having a year to train his ocular abilities, and getting hatred amps from the massacre. That Itachi is massively more powerful than he was pre-MS.
@@sageofthickcalves I don’t think a year could make a mangekyo user into a god tier so fast not to mention one shotting a sanin while arguably not even close to your full strength is insane
@@Redoren966 Sasuke had his MS for literally like a week and got the armored Susano’o, Kagetsuchi, and generally went from objectively below the Sannin to potentially above them.
@@Redoren966 gotcha. You could just say Sasuke has no idea how strong Itachi really is at that point, since he’s never seen Itachi’s true power. He may have also thought his father fought him too
@@sageofthickcalves 1 Still he use to worship Itachi and is aware of amaterasu and tsukuyomi I am pretty sure 2 Plus he knows Itachi wasn't injured in the slaughter 3 He is still should be smart enough to be like "Hm he is strong but i am not sure he is that strong" 4 Its just weird that Itachi relied on him somehow figuring out there was another who helped in the slaughter.
Haha I'd break it down like this. As a fighter, he's an assassin type, he's a sneak out of a bush or snipe from cover fighter. And used sharigan genjustu to not need to engage in fist to cuffs. He gets overrated way to much. He's not even close to Sannin level. Not close to Kage level, and barely out classes Kakashi in a few areas. But needs genjustu to win nearly all fights. He did kill his clan in a night with help from Obito. However killed unarmed women and retired old men. Obito killed the strongest people. And Itachi didn't just stand in the court yard and say all the traders fight me at once. He just waited for bed time and killed them out of the blue. So to me that's not a feat. Trapping Orchimaru in genjustu was out the blue while orchimaru was edging over him. Not in a battle setting. He's only faught Sasuke in that way. Face to face with killing intent. And nobody, what's to admit that's the facts.
You're delusional 😂 kakashi couldn't even go blow for blow with shisui Uchiha or even the police force while itachi was named head of the anbu at only 13.
@@nolinordwora5574 Kakashi was a Jonin at 9 and Anbu at 13. By the time he was a captain he was stronger than Mukai Kohinata who fought Shisui and Itachi at the same time.
@Rdc_Dom you don't know what you're talking about itachi anbu is the same itachi who killed his clan after that the same 13 years old guy victimized the strongest of the legendary sannin "orochimaru" with base sharingan no need to tell you where jonin kakashi stack up against orochimaru
QUESTION OF THE WEEK:
ANBU Itachi (pre-MS) vs ANBU Kakashi, who wins and why??? 👀🔥
ANBU Kakashi, based on the scaling you gave in the Kakashi vid
Probably kakashi
Anyone who watched your Kakashi video knows it’s Kakashi
I mean Itachi was like 11, he was good but not that good
3T Itachi scales to 3T Shisui who scales to Danzo, who can fight MS Sasuke physically. He should clear.
You are easily the best up and coming Naruto youtuber. Keep the content coming man!
@@fwphoenix thank you so much!
Wait if they had cameras in the Uchiha Clan then they knew about Obito who was as Madara killing half of the clan? And also did not attaching kill his parents while crying did they cut off the talking in the camera or was it never shown? I doubt Danzo had that much control before making it not seem suspicious to Kakashi who was a killing machine during this time and got maximum results he would try to get as much information before killing Itachi as he is a traitor the the hidden leaf village.
@@paragmurthy5411 Danzo had men from the Foundation in the ANBU, on that surveillance team actually. So there are a couple of possibilities here.
1: Kakashi & his team saw the video as it was happening and headed to the compound before watching all of it, but were too late
2: Danzo’s men were in charge of surveillance that night so Kakashi and co. were just shown clips of it in a debriefing. This would allow for Danzo to selectively choose what’s shown
Either way, I think it’s VERY likely that Kakashi would’ve seen at least some of the footage before Danzo ushered it away. Since Hiruzen was in on it as well, he would’ve helped.
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Something worth mentioning 2:53 is the fact even low leaf jonin level is still high jonin in other villages. For example some chunin who are only jonin due to one are are able to push Sand jonin who are high tier
Can’t wait for the video💯💯💯
Babe, go away the goat uploaded again 🐐
Another banger from the GOAT 🐐
@@NA-lf6ik 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Impeccable vid, as usual.
Next week’s video is gonna be 🔥!
Can’t wait for that next vid especially since it’s the Akatsuki duos at the time
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Crazy good video, bro! You've been killing the scaling game lately. 💪🏽
@@StevenFrazier5 thanks brother!
Eh your whipping out the points from that community post about the susanno speculation lets go
Next week will be hype.
New sub🤟 you actually know how to scale itachi and based on your past vids it seems you’re not a fanboy unlike a lot of other channels😂 straight facts and logical scaling💯 also here because that swagkage kid seems to forget he has a YT channel with a million subs😐
@@NarutosRasengan5 hahaha I appreciate that bro!
Alright, I've officially got my notifications on for next week lol
@@Golden_Raijin I appreciate you bro!
I disagree with certain takes you’ve had in the past but I’m reaaally liking your content. Was up the air originally about subbing cause I’m following so many Narutotubers but you’re great man
@@mooneater2948 thank you so much!
I like how Itachis susano outer head is sideways like a 90's kids cap
Databook 2 states even among the strongest uchiha, he emitted an intense light. This was in sasukes section so could be talking at any point but is atleast talking of the day of the massacre since that's the picture used.
9:18 something i feel worth noting is that the uchiha clan are the strongest clan above even the hyuga and are almost considered the reason why there is peace in one of the sourcebooks. So i feel it might be worth noting high jonin wouldn't be able to do that at least not easily
Ooooh. That next video is going to be fire
Excited for the next video! Keep cooking!
Thank you! Will do!
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Could you make a "If Itadori and Naruto Switched Places" one? Where recently born Naruto goes to JJK with Kurama in him and recently born Itadori goes to Konoha with 20 Fingers Sukuna in him, they both keep their names, appearence and powers, the powers interact with chackra and cursed energy? I think it would be cool to see Itadori dealing with the treatment Naruto received from the village, his abilities developing until he inherited Sukuna's powers before even graduating as a Genin, him going against Haku and so on. He could actually befriend Lee since they both are strong but can't use jutsu (I think it's cool if both Naruto and Itadori are limited in only their universe's powers, even though they interact with chackra/CS). And Naruto joining Jujutsu High to stop the curses, befriending Kurama, using (in JJK inhabitants' eyes, a variety of cursed techniques) his world's jutsu and so on.
Lets' GOOO!
Itachi and kisame in part 1 vs the leaf
Damn you changed my mind for the pre ms scaling but not the fugaku stuff though for him he should scale in that jonin minato tier.
I suggest a video on who's the best fighter in naruto on equal stats
@@akiraman7664 bet
@@sageofthickcalves thanks
8 minutes ago is crazy,
Even if Itachi is basically a pacifist, that doesn't mean that he can't mobilize and adapt in an unnatural situation, especially if the confrontation is a serious one, he prefers most of the time to finish the fights as quickly as possible, that's why Itachi should never be underestimated. Itachi lived his whole life so that Sasuke could defeat him and become an Uchiha hero as well as a hero of the leaf. That, obviously, didn’t go as planned. However, it did allow Sasuke to grow and begin to start asking the right questions that would eventually lead him to becoming the man he (Itachi) wanted him to be. (Itachi was killed so that Sasuke could grow more powerful both as a character (to us in a real world moral sense) and as a Ninja. Itachi from the get go was extremely talented which more precisly means that Itachi just like Minato was pretty much an unique, authentic and especially unpredictable Shinobi which could exceed or overcome almost any expectations. (at least that's what we were shown in the anime by the creator Masashi Kishimoto himself) In my opinion No One in the series should underestimate such an unpredictable Shinobi like Itachi, even Madara (I won't say that Itachi can beat him, but at least he will be pretty much able to put a decent fight that Madara will also be impressed in my opinion). That is why it is arguable/debatable that he probably could or could not defeat foes like Minato, Obito or Pain/Nagato. Itachi was also a prodigy from birth and he knew all sorts of tricks and he's definitely a troublesome fellow to encounter. In my opinion, they are both very versatile, unique, interesting and especially very unpredictable in their way of fighting style approach. If you make an effort to look or to rewatch at all of Itachi's fights, you might discover that he's pretty much always able to outsmart anyone during a fight or a encounter, because of his unpredictability in his way of fighting style approach. His way of thinking and his calmness, intelligence and battle IQ experience factor it's very authentic and underrated, his true potential remain still unknown, because he wasn't go all out against anyone during the series.🤷🏻♂️☯️ I don't understand how some of you guys even dare or can to underestimate Itachi like that, many of you guys forget that Itachi isn't just any ordinary shinobi either, he is still considered by a very wide range of Naruto connoisseurs to be a very unique and unpredictable character at the same time and no one should underestimate him as some of you guys currently do. ;/ ☯️🤷🏻♂️What you have to remember, is that even in his battle with Sasuke, he has been fighting to lose. Itachi has always attempted to avoid conflict at all costs. He has to maintain his cover as an Akatsuki member, so he has to make viable excuses to avoid battle. When he says that fighting Jiraiya would have serious consequences, we know that he has an innate desire not to fight anyone at all, let alone a hero of the leaf, and he was a spy protecting Konoha from shadows. He could have killed Kakashi with ease. Kakashi even states that Itachi could have killed him, and wondered why he didn't. Knowing this, it is easy to see the pieces that point to a picture of Itachi that is devastatingly powerful in combat. In his confrontation with Asuma and Kurenai when he enters Konoha, we see him send Kurenai flying a large distance with a simple kick. We also see him deflect chidori, and snap Sasuke's arm like a twig with a single hand. He also sends Sasuke flying clear down the hallway with another kick in this fight. He is obviously a powerful, versatile, unpredictable and underrated taijutsu user. We know that he can kill with a glance using Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu, and become nearly invincible with his Susanoo. We see him use exploding clones, (it's his one of his unpredictability in his fighting way approach) powerful genjutsu not linked to his sharingan, ( with a single point of a one of his fingers) and making hand seals at insane speeds. He kicks the shit out of Kakashi and he barely moves. Tobi also tells us himself that Itachi could have killed him if it weren't for carefully guarded secrets. Orochimaru beats Tsunade and Jiraiya without the use of his arms. Granted, Jiraiya was drugged, but it's still the point. Orochimaru couldn't use seals at all. Itachi obliterated Orochimaru effortlessly. Itachi has been a step above from the beginning. In order for him to keep his cover in Akatsuki, he had to avoid conflict without arousing suspicion, and the best way to do that was to present himself as being much less powerful than he actually is. The one thing we have been able to see in detail, is his intelligence and unpredictability in his fighting way approach. Itachi has been shown to be able to plan events years in advance, to account for possible flaws in his plans with powerful contingencies, and to use every possibility to his advantage. Shikamaru plans a few hours in advance, and we label him a tactical genius. If that is the case, what does one even call Itachi? The only real flaws that Itachi possesses is a smaller chakra reserves, and his own morality which keeps him from gaining Eternal Mangekyo. But even the chakra is arguable. The techniques we see him use are enormously powerful, and would therefor have a huge chakra cost. I'm not going to say he is the most powerful character in the anime, but I am going to say he is definitely very very high on that list, and probably higher than most people seem to give him credit for. Lastly but not least, Kishimoto made sure that Itachi was seen as someone special and he did an incredible job in establishing that in the story.
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Gai Sensei hokage gauntlet "the gates grant you power even greater than the kage"
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Anbu Itachi should fight Hebi Sasuke, make it happen. It would be a awesome fight since they're around the same age and power
Bet it up
Hebu Sasuke is 2 years older than Anbu Div Cap Itachi.
Also another worth considering Danzo does say he is below but still jonin which could mean he is around if not above Hayate who is not a jonin besides one. If Danzo meant he was only jonin he would have said so.
If you use the anime which I know a lot of people don’t but I do itachi during the massacre said fugaku was his worst possible matchup and that it’s going to be a battle of ms meaning it probably would have been a very close fight but fugaku didn’t want to have a death match with his son so in my opinion massacre itachi and fugaku are close in power itachi can still be stronger than him but i don’t think it’s by much and fugaku being that strong makes since to me at least based on the information we have about him like him having the ms a being a hokage candidate and being feared in the 3rd war as wicked eye fugaku
The method to gain ms and ems should be well known to the uchiha clan
Considering what age he was when he took the Chunien exams, I'd say he's pretty strong.
Took it solo.
Set the record for forest of death…solo.
Neither Minato nor kakashi completed that quickly and they had 2 teammates each with them.
Didn’t break a sweat
@@kevingbergiste7372 I mean Kakashi was still made a chunin younger and became jonin at 12
Became a jonin at 10*
Obito took out the women and children, so Itachi actually fought all of the difficult members without being touched. Considering the uchiha clan has always been stated to be the strongest along with the senju, its safe to say that Itachi is bare minimum Kage level. Imo the massacre or right after was when he was at the peak of his power because he wasnt affected by illness, assuming he already has the spirit weapons. You could argue he found those weapons in the 1 year gap between shisuis death and the massacre just to prepare a little more for a possible war. But thats just a theory.
@@Kryptic496 that’s not actually true. Itachi also took down women and children. You find that out less than one page after Obito offers to do that
You underrate him a bit in your first scaling but what you say at 15:15 seem legit coinciding with his true power.
1:27 I am not sure they are debating it if not stating it as a fact
@12:24 are we talking actual word only in passages real novels, or long form manga? If the latter i dont think its fair to call that a novel. Heres hoping it was the former, though im doubtful. Also great vid of course. On 3rd rewatch
We’re using canon novels and manga
@@sageofthickcalves that's cool but it doesn't answer my question
@@attackonyugioh92 Sorry, I couldn’t understand what your question was. The grammar was weird
@@attackonyugioh92 If you’re asking whether I’m talking about an actual novel or just long form text passages in the manga, when I say “novel” I’m talking about an actual novel. In particular, the novels referenced here are the Itachi Shinden novels.
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✨🤍 good video
@@MaríaCamilaBolívarBetancourt thank you!
We can’t say for certain Itachi is below Fugaku at all. Also “Peak Jonin” in the leaf is really Kage level everywhere else.
@@flight_knight_ I mean there’s never any implication that Itachi is above his father. The only scaling implications we get in regards to how Fugaku and Itachi scale to one another is just that Itachi can make a fire ball that can only be bested by Shisui and Fugaku.
@@flight_knight_ he’s only tasked with wiping out his clan after he awakens the MS. You can argue MS Itachi is ≈ Fugaku for sure, but pre-MS is not on that level. Also, Danzo sent him to take them out in the middle of the night while they’re all sleeping. For all we know, he expected him to take out Fugaku in his sleep.
@@sageofthickcalves Where is Fugaku's confirmed MS? I thought that was anime filler only. During the massacre Itachi just is straight up stronger than Fugaku once he has MS. The clan being sleeping is not relevant because Naruto has plenty of failed ambushes stopped by simply being stronger which Fugaku would've done if he was.
If it's pre MS Itachi I'd just say they're equal just to be generous to Fugaku. But Itachi has more to go off of using his base sharingan feats that you showed in the video or base sharingan after Shisui died. Nothing there to say Fugaku is stronger. Shisui was stronger than both because of his abilities but there's no abilities or feats for Fugaku just rank/status.
@@flight_knight_ Fugaku is confirmed an MS user in the Boruto anime, which is canon. The Naruto anime isn’t canon.
@@sageofthickcalves I asked because Fugaku MS was brief in the video. If he has them I guess he has a theoretical chance against Koto and Tsukuyomi. But he still remains with no feats or abilities to say he's above or below anyone with certainty.
tldr: solos whole verse
11:29 what version of the sannin does this apply to. There is a big gap of time between start of naruto to the massacre.
@@akasakasad6271 I don’t think any version of them can flex out of Tsukuyomi tbh
@@sageofthickcalves would Jiraiya have some counter with three extra heads to warn him cause it seems to only be activated from eye contact
@@akasakasad6271 probably not. Itachi likely has the advantage in basically every category except large scale ninjutsu
3:04 Baki should still be weaker than that jonin is considering he is still above topuketsu Jonin like Hayate
Hey man, do you think Minato is fast enough to use the chidori without a sharingan?
The Sharingan's eye of insight was used as compensation for the jutsu's flaw. Which was to force the user to move too fast for their own good. Kakashi wasn't the problem, the Chidori was. The only way Minato could work around that flaw is by using it in conjunction with FTG or Sage Mode. Otherwise, he, too, would fall victim to tunnel vision.
@@Triax1211 it’s not necessarily a speed thing. It’s just that the Chidori (when used over a certain distance) boosts your speed beyond its normal limit to a certain degree, which is where the piercing power comes from. Anyone can use a technique LIKE the Chidori without that, but no he wouldn’t be able to properly react to speed beyond his normal limits.
@sageofthickcalves I always the tunnel vision was a byproduct of moving that fast in the first place so that's where my confusion came from. Thanks for answering tho.
I'm still mad about the fucking pre-academy smashing boulders as a toddler feat. Find yourself a girl that rides you as hard as the light novels ride Itachi.
@@someguy4405 🤣
If Itachi can defeat multiple Jonin/Clan Leaders with Sharingan at once that’s stronger than just “Peak Jonin.” Did you forget how strong the Sharingan is? It made Obito go from shitting his pants to combatting a Jonin Squad alongside Kakashi.
@@flight_knight_ Obito was already a Chunin when he obtained the sharingan, and he awakened it with 2 tomoe off rip. Not every circumstance is like that. For example, Izumi awoke her sharingan while still in the academy and yet didn’t become a genin until a few years later.
Orochimaru’s comment that implies the spirit weapons that itachi’s susanoo possess can be searched for and found are completely wrong. The susanoo manifests from the persons nature. Orochimaru may know of them based on myth and legend. It’s the same way that madaras ability to use limbo because of being so uncomfortable with people standing behind his back. Itachi’s a pacifist, which is why the sword doesn’t stab and kill, it seals the person in a world of DREAMS. The shield manifests from his desire to protect. This is why orochimaru could not find them.
TLDR: They are made manifest by the persons true nature.
The tostskua blade and yatamirror are ethereal weapons not physical ones, so how van anyone but itachi get them they are a part of his susanoo.
@@joshfarrow9707 the reaper is ethereal. Spiritual energy is ethereal, yet Tayuya’s snake things are almost entirely spiritual energy. This would not be a new concept
@@sageofthickcalves yes but that's die to her abilities she has, but we know that Susanoo's have special traits like Sasuke gets his bow and Itachi got the tostska blade and yatamirror. I still don't see how sound 4 characters should be compared to the susanoo abilities. Is their a statement that for sure saying those are physical weapons as that would be the case of orochimaru got his hands on them.
@@joshfarrow9707 sure, but Orochimaru knew about these items before ever seeing Itachi’s susano’o, so how did he know about them without them being connected to Itachi?
@@sageofthickcalves so if you look at Uchiha abilities in the warring states period those abilities would have existed before Itachi as we know amaterasu and and kotoamatsukami is also seen by another ninja. Orochimaru would know of those from records that talk about them but don't give the full understanding about them
@@joshfarrow9707 the Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror are never described as MS abilities. They’re described as spirit weapons. I’m not saying that they CANT be inherited MS abilities, but you can’t prove that they ARE either. I just think it’s more likely, based on how they’re described, that they’re weapons that can be acquired
Fugaku's ms is only anime canon. Plus Sasuke says there's no way Itachi could've taken on the police force solo, who are the top dogs of the uchiha clan, and Itachi admits that's why Obito helped him with the massacre.
@@aymanriki1018 Fugaku’s MS is canon to the Boruto anime, which makes it canon overall.
Itachi could’ve been lying to Sasuke. I think Shisui would know more about Itachi’s power than Sasuke would.
@@sageofthickcalves forgot about that, damn fugaku was ass then bro was below kid ms itachi with ms himself 😂
@@aymanriki1018 Fugaku didn’t fight Itachi. Also, kid MS Itachi is > the Sannin so he’s kinda cracked tbh
@@sageofthickcalves actually boruto anime canon is kinda iffy because of jougan never explained and the whole urashiki and time travel bs
@@aymanriki1018 it’s not iffy at all. It’s openly stated to be canon. The manga takes precedent, but the anime is still canon
And people told me Anbu Itachi wouldn't be a match for a Sannin one on one
Once he gets MS he cooks them. Prior to that, he gets folded
@@sageofthickcalves I wonder like how he would do when he just gets MS cause I feel like he got a hang of it pretty quickly. I think before MS he could give Jiraiya Mid Diff maybe slightly higher if being generous
@@legendaryyetunknown6973 nah pre-MS he’s getting wombocombo’d by any of them, but when he gets the MS he goes up to a tier above them
@@sageofthickcalves That makes me wonder like how MS Itachi would do against someone like Hanzo who folded all of them at once.
@@legendaryyetunknown6973 well, Hanzo only beat them when they were still young and relatively inexperienced. He also fought them in the water, which is stated to be where he’s at his strongest. There’s a databook statement saying NOBODY can match him in the water 💀 But the problem is Amaterasu doesn’t care about water and neither does Tsukuyomi
Why didn't any uchiha awaken ms at family/friends funerals? Surely, someone awakened their ms at the mention that a friend or family died in a mission..
@@cattusstroffic1243 they have to have the potential to do it
bodies the 5 kage but they not ready for that
5 kage defeated 25 edo madara wood clones with susanoo, stop the glaze
@@aymanriki1018Different set of Kages. Hiruzen may have done well against Madara clones, but I doubt Rasa and Yagura would.
@@Breeze06 rasa as an edo was sort of relative to gaara, yagura is most certainly stronger than mei considering he had control over the 3 tails as jinchuriki
Anbu itachi would toy with Sarada
I disagree with your interpretation of Kakashi's statement, because if Kakashi saw Itachi fight the clan from the security camera why would he be so surprised by Itachi having the mangekyo which he used multiple times during the massacre. It would also be weird for Kakashi to be more afraid of Orochimaru than a guy who solo'd the strongest clan in the village.
Kakashi also directly states in Chapter 396 when seeing the aftermath of Itachi vs Sasuke that it's the first time he's seen the amaterasu
While it is insane from a scaling perspective, it could be a callback to what Kakashi told Naruto after encountering Haku, that there are kids in the naruto world younger than naruto, but stronger than kakashi.
@@ryancollins8455 The Amaterasu on Suguru happens after he leaves the Uchiha compound.
I mean I do think that Kakashi is referencing Itachi in that statement, as Naruto and Itachi would’ve been 12 at the points in time being referenced. However, it doesn’t mean anything for this because Itachi has his MS at 12, and I put that Itachi over the Sannin.
@@sageofthickcalves i mentioned the amaterasu specifically because you mentioned kakashi likely seeing it at 16:10
But considering Kakashi didn't seem to know about itachi's MS at all in their part 1 encounter, I don't think the statement can be referring to MS itachi, it would make more sense for it to be pre MS itachi as that's the itachi kakashi spent time with
@@ryancollins8455 yeah I misspoke. I should’ve said, “he could’ve seen the Amaterasu”.
Why would watching him use Tsukuyomi and a sword on the uchiha clan lead Kakashi to knowing about the MS? The Tsukuyomi could’ve just been assumed to be a regular sharingan genjutsu.
@@sageofthickcalves i guess that's fair, but wouldn't he see the pattern of the mangekyo? Though it depends on the camera angles which is impossible to determine lol
But it seems weird that kakashi would use a statement about itachi being an anbu captain at 13 rather than "i saw him no diff murderbseveral police force members of the world's strongest clan"
I guess it's just a case of where Itachi's power doesn't match his reputation, because everyone in the village seems to understand only jiraiya/hiruzen can fight orochimaru but people like asuma and kakashi fight itachi with no hesitation, or even random ninja in a bar saying they wished they got to itachi first after news got out sasuke killed him
But either way its hard to tell since in universe its not like kakashi would differentiate between early and later versions of anbu itachi
@@ryancollins8455 yeah it would be weird to assume that the camera would zoom in on his eye like that.
To be fair, they already know about him killing his clan. They just may not know the extent of how impressive it was. So the ANBU captain statement could be a reinforcing statement.
Yeah I think Kakashi’s reaction supports what you’re saying there, as well as what I’m saying. Asuma and Kurenai wouldn’t have been privy to that info, but Kakashi would’ve. So they could’ve just assumed he assassinated all of them in their sleep or something, whereas the higher ups and the ANBU would’ve known more. I think the cover photo for the chapter pointing to the massacre backs this up too. Kishimoto is very intentional with those.
I do think, based on what we get in canon, there’s a pretty drastic difference between the Itachi that Kakashi would’ve known and the one who murdered the uchiha clan. There’s nothing that gets pre-MS Itachi to solidly in that kage level tier, but obviously MS Itachi is far above that. So I don’t think Kakashi would’ve been so pressed about facing someone who’s high jonin-low kage, since he’s at that same level.
I feel Itachi especially with ms is stronger than even anbu Kakashi is by a wide margin
@@Redoren966 with MS, yes. Without MS, no.
@@sageofthickcalvesProbably is considering Itachi not long after this fodderized a sanin in base 3 tomoe and that Sanin is massively more powerful than Kakashi is
@@Redoren966 that was after awakening the MS, having a year to train his ocular abilities, and getting hatred amps from the massacre. That Itachi is massively more powerful than he was pre-MS.
@@sageofthickcalves I don’t think a year could make a mangekyo user into a god tier so fast not to mention one shotting a sanin while arguably not even close to your full strength is insane
@@Redoren966 Sasuke had his MS for literally like a week and got the armored Susano’o, Kagetsuchi, and generally went from objectively below the Sannin to potentially above them.
Is Sage Jiraiya KCM 1 level?
no
sage jiraya isn't even pain arc sage naruto level why would he be kcm level?
So why does Sage still believe he's above the 5 Kage?
Maybe his Is giant rasengun is stronger then narutos but everything else no naruto got better ap speed and jutsu
@@i.q.1979 maybe individuals but not 5v1
As strong as minato if not stronger
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I feel its sort of weird that the novels made Sasuke an absolute idiot
How?
@@sageofthickcalves In the sense of him believing that Itachi isn't strong enough to slaughter the clan by himself at that point
@@Redoren966 gotcha. You could just say Sasuke has no idea how strong Itachi really is at that point, since he’s never seen Itachi’s true power. He may have also thought his father fought him too
@@sageofthickcalves 1 Still he use to worship Itachi and is aware of amaterasu and tsukuyomi I am pretty sure
2 Plus he knows Itachi wasn't injured in the slaughter
3 He is still should be smart enough to be like "Hm he is strong but i am not sure he is that strong"
4 Its just weird that Itachi relied on him somehow figuring out there was another who helped in the slaughter.
@@Redoren966 Again, it’s entirely possible he didn’t know how strong his dad and the others actually were, or Itachi. He was just a child after all.
Haha I'd break it down like this. As a fighter, he's an assassin type, he's a sneak out of a bush or snipe from cover fighter. And used sharigan genjustu to not need to engage in fist to cuffs. He gets overrated way to much. He's not even close to Sannin level. Not close to Kage level, and barely out classes Kakashi in a few areas. But needs genjustu to win nearly all fights. He did kill his clan in a night with help from Obito. However killed unarmed women and retired old men. Obito killed the strongest people. And Itachi didn't just stand in the court yard and say all the traders fight me at once. He just waited for bed time and killed them out of the blue. So to me that's not a feat. Trapping Orchimaru in genjustu was out the blue while orchimaru was edging over him. Not in a battle setting. He's only faught Sasuke in that way. Face to face with killing intent. And nobody, what's to admit that's the facts.
Wtf?
Hot dog water?
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could itachi use his dad or mums eyes for ems? Maybe implant his dad's in his left mum right side.
@@cattusstroffic1243 his mom didn’t have the MS, but maybe his dads would work
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Get a life
@@themegacactus Don't be mad that my sharingan is better than yours.
Weaker than Anbu Kakashi 🥱🥱 L
Not sure about that
@@Juan_Uchiha neither am I but I gotta pick Sage's Kakashi agenda ✋🏾🙂↕️
You're delusional 😂 kakashi couldn't even go blow for blow with shisui Uchiha or even the police force while itachi was named head of the anbu at only 13.
@@nolinordwora5574 Kakashi was a Jonin at 9 and Anbu at 13. By the time he was a captain he was stronger than Mukai Kohinata who fought Shisui and Itachi at the same time.
@Rdc_Dom you don't know what you're talking about itachi anbu is the same itachi who killed his clan after that the same 13 years old guy victimized the strongest of the legendary sannin "orochimaru" with base sharingan no need to tell you where jonin kakashi stack up against orochimaru