Using Mindfulness for Depression, Pain, and Suffering | Danny Penman, Being Well Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- On today’s episode, Dr. Rick and I focus on one of the most important skills we can learn: how we can become more aware of all the parts of our experience, avoid being captured by any one of them, and work with those parts more skillfully. One of the key tools we have for accomplishing this is vedanā, or the “feeling tone” of our experience. Author and meditation teacher Dr. Danny Penman joins the show to explore the role of vedanā, how we can help our brain interpret the world more accurately, and practical tools for relaxing suffering and enjoying life.
About our Guest: Danny Penman is a meditation teacher, an award-winning writer and journalist, and the co-author of the classic Mindfulness with Dr. Mark Williams. Dr. Williams was one of the original creators of Mindfulness-Based Cognitive Therapy (MBCT). Mark and Danny are back with the new book Deeper Mindfulness: The New Way to Rediscover Calm in a Chaotic World.
I am now writing on Substack, check it out here: substack.com/@forresthanson
Key Topics:
0:00 Introduction
1:30 How a major injury started Danny’s professional relationship with mindfulness practice
11:00 Vedanā, and unpacking the different aspects of our experience
19:00 The sensations that precede our thoughts
24:45 How the brain creates a model of reality, and whether that model is accurate
29:35 How an undisciplined relationship with feeling tone creates unnecessary suffering
34:20 Accepting a feeling vs. approving of a situation
45:15 Practical steps to feeling our feelings
48:30 Finding enjoyment in new habits, especially somatically
58:25 Recap
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I've never wanted so strongly to support a RUclips channel. You all are changing my life one video at a time. I am currently reading Hardwiring Happiness. Thank you for all you do, Forrest and Dr. Rick. You're helping heal a little girl who thought she might just have to live with never being whole. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I love the way Forrest recaps-clearly translates pockets of conversations into understandable language. Love Rick's 'leaning in to positive feedback'.
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Re Forrest's contributions, so true. He has a real gift for this. His summary at the end is SO helpful, especially after a podcast like this one, which does tend to get a little esoteric at times! In my freshman year expository writing class (50 years ago!), we learned about the importance of "moving up and down the abstraction ladder." Time after time, Forrest leaps in to provide a concrete example of the abstract principles being discussed. It's part of what makes this podcast so interesting to follow.
Were you kind of suggesting in your book it would be an advantage to sense the [emotional] vibe of a situation (as if almost teleporting a second or 3 into future time) before cognitively assessing? @@swoopanddive
This is such an important skill, every parent should teach this to their kids! Anyway, it is good enough to be learning this at 62.
I seriously want to have the same personality as both Rick and Forrest at their respective point of life. You both are incredible people!
Thanks! I loved this! It was great to have Danny, Rick and Forrest's contributions all combining to create a special episode. I wished it was longer. I'll have to read Danny's book! ❤
Exactly what I needed before I go into my job I can’t stand, thank you and happy Monday! 😅
I’m pretty sure being panicked about the state of our country is exactly why things are so polarized and deadlocked and nothing productive gets done.
We’ve tried that approach. It’s not working.
Dr Penman's energy is so wonderful, so happy to learn from his experiences! Injuries and pain can be so devastating to our whole being, Im excited to apply some of his concept to my own healing journey. Thanks for a great episode, Forrest and Dr. Hanson!
👏👍 Wow! Forrest & Rick, you are always just perfect! And Forrest, your summaries at the end of podcasts are amazing. I always look forward to them. Thank you!
spot on!!
Perfect timing for this in my life.
Right in there with IFS therapy!
And it makes total sense with autoimmune diseases.
When the immune system is busy chasing untouchable anxiety attention is watered down, missing threats it's built to attend to.
"may help keep us safe, but absolute crap when it comes to quality of life" sums up why we seek out meditation, exccerise , bonding, etc. this is why imho, i seek out your channel and many more.. perhaps that should go without saying but, its actually simple and straightforward, the negative bias is imbalanced, the emphisis on left brain dominance is imbalance the seeking for po;itical direction from strong self absorbed personalities is, well ..imbalance . hopefully its actually getting harder to stay unaware or lazy, an old perjoritive word, and easier socially and individually to do the step back, to see what is here, to acknowledge our part in it. great session guys. Peace
On the point of accepting your feelings about a negative situation. I used to feel very clearly that in many bad situations the only control I had was how I feel about it. The only thing that was mine and no one could take away from me was my anger and disdain. When people would say, "at some point you're hurting yourself" I would think, if I let these feelings pass or take them less seriously, what do I even have? It took me a long time to redirect that energy to true agency. To learn true agency. I am no longer a child, I do have control in ways that my mind doesn't always recognize. I am much better about this now, but it took a lot of time and it wasn't without pain.
Brilliant and so insightful. The second arrow metaphor is o profound.. of course, we are awesome storytellers, so we often generate many layers of stories that spin us into fear, anxiety, and misery. This mindfulness practice is such a gift! Thank you!
this episode came so in time, many thanks!
Fascinating episode, thank you!
50k viewers..Great job
Why do all these experts have to have such extreme case stories?
Where's the everyday stressed out people with 2-3 jobs, 2-3 kids, no vacation time off/PTO, maybe even add a bad/toxic relationship on top of that...
*How do Everyday People practice meditation then?*