You'd think the game director coming out and essentially saying "we're fine with mediocrity and you(other game devs/game directors)should be too" would be the final push the playerbase needs to leave this game, but we all know that won't happen.
I stopped playing the second week of last season. I just couldn’t force myself to care or keep playing anymore. Then seeing the game director say that gave me the push to say I’m probably never coming back. I hope people can organize a boycott for Lightfall because at this point I feel like it’s the only way Bungie MIGHT do right by the community and do what’s good for the game.
Its funny I was on the fence getting lightfall the game felt dull no great QoL barely played with my clan just because it just felt off, then the GDC dropped and I just laughed. Bungie legit just admitted the player base are cash cows and they don't care about what they put into it.
I really used to avoid videos like these, because I wanted my purchases to be justified. I didn't want to confront the fact that all that money I had spent was wasted. Destiny 2 is very much an addiction that runs on Sunk-Cost. It isn't hard to quit because it's fun, It's hard to quit because it's scary to feel like all your money was wasted. Its frightening how long it took for me to realize how manipulative this game is. My advice is to be kind to defenders of the game. Don't argue with them, reason with them. Give them the information they need, and let them come to their own decisions. My mind wasn't changed because some random person on the internet yelled at me, It was changed because I realized over the period of a few months that it is the job of someone at Bungie to scare people out of quiting the game. I've decided that I won't be returning for lightfall. I don't want to sink any more of my time or money into Destiny 2. Recently I've been branching out to other games, and I've remembered what it's like to play games designed to be fun. If anyone reading this is on the fence about buying Lightfall, I encourage you to think it over. Try out some well-reviewed Indie-games. Consider each perspective and try to list the reasons to leave, and the reasons to stay. Be honest with yourself. Good luck.
This is a good point, we'll try to do better. My problem is i didn't value money as much a toy just described. I know it's there be spent wisely or not. What players should think about: Are you getting your money's worth? No we no with Destiny
Well said and properly articulated. As someone who is very invested in the game as a hobby, as something I value and play weekly (if not more). I see and value the opinions of those who deem it necessary for them to leave the game. That being said, I've said this before, i think people viewing this game as a hardcore game/MMO is not what is intended. There are GMs and high tier content for those who want to invest more into their hobby (like harder puzzles, or higher end models to compare to other hobbies). But nothing is forcing you to buy/invest in these higher tiers. No one is forcing you to play when you don't want to (unless your actually addicted). I play this game a lot, but I drop it when I'm bored and play other games. I do think for 100$ a year (roughly) I'm getting my moneys worth from my Hobby of Destiny, my friend buys $100+ model kits near monthly to support his hobby, I think doing that once a year is well worth the content I receive. I do feel wrong even somewhat illuding to how they monetize this game to be anywhere near "good" I fully belive Shadowkeep and older should be free, beyond light should be free once lightfall comes out (etc). and there should just be an easy one time purchase for things instead of the dungeon key being Silver, but the season pass is real money but older seasons are... (honestly idk how you get older seasons). But my point with it is, viewing it as a legitimate hobby and seeing your character as your "model" (refering to model trains/gundems etc) For those hobbies to ""catch up"" there is a bit of money investment to get started (again, im not justifing their shitty piece by piece strategy) but I personally think the amount of content we get for $80-$100 a year is really really good when compared to the industry. Lastly, more power to ya if you dropped this game or realized it wasn't worth it to you as an individual, but like OP said don't judge others for thinking differently. This was just my perspective and how I've found that this game is genuinely great still. TL;DR viewed as an actual hobby, D2 is a lot cheaper then most others, but viewing it as a video game I understand the pain points. P.S. If you were offended by anything i said in this post i apologize and nothing was meant as a personal attack.
@@JISHBOSIN no offense taken. If you feel you get your money's worth, than that's great! My problem with the game isn't that people enjoy it, but that it uses very manipulative tactics like FOMO and Sunk-Cost to keep players invested. I personally think that the raids and dungeons are very fun, And I might play them again in the future, but I've decided that there are better uses of my money. These are, however, just my decisions and thoughts. Thank you for your reply and for giving me a new perspective
@@tacowaffles5967 Agreed, my comment wasn't directed towards you primarily, I just knew that this would be a popular discussion and wanted to give those reading a different perspective on the matter. I do agree that FOMO/Sunk-Cost are all very manipulative and are a horrible business practice. especially if you fall victim to it then I am very sympathetic. I do dislike the removal of content and never could get behind removing old content into the vault (seasonal... honestly doesn't make me feel bad at all). For the seasonal things, I see them "going away" as a certain line of models ending production, I still have mine (my weapons and armor) and got my use out of it. And thank you again for not taking this personally and being civil as well as articulating your perspective very eliquently.
My greatest wish for Destiny is the playerbase actually puts their money where their mouth is and stops buying content until Bungie implements proper fixes for the gaping flaws in the game. But I know that will never happen. Destiny is an addiction to the vast majority of the hardcore playerbase
Oh wow you just found out everything runs by money bc nothing is free even designing a game, it takes time and money, called investment. Normal consumers like most of the Destiny community like to complain about everything literally
It is an addiction and that’s a fact. I’ve seen myself when I play the game 24/7 non stop, and when I quit. I always wanted to come back it’s like a drug
As someone who never played Xbox during Halo’s golden era, whenever I ask people about the old Bungie, they always describe them with such passion. They were some of the best developers that the industry had to offer. To see them as they are now is like an episode of the Twilight Zone: A greedy mismanaged company who only cares about getting as much money as humanly possible. I obviously understand that at the end of the day they have to make money, but there’s a big difference with needing to make money and charging $20 for an expansion that came out over 4 years ago that doesn’t even have all of its content anymore. Also BDobbins must have been staring into a crystal ball with what he said on 5:01. Everything about that statement adds up.
This was exactly what i told my friends when this "leak" had happened We're already paying an annual subscription fee to Bungie for the DLCs and annual passes
Yes, but if you stop playing for a year, you can still come back and play it right away. With a subscription model you can't. However, if we had a subscription model and you would come back after a year, you could play all of the content, including new expansions, raids and dungeons and you would have paid less overall. Decide for yourself which system makes more sense.
@@raevenent751 If you stop playing for a year, i would assume you cancel the subscription. So if you you want to play again, even if its the same content you played a year ago, you would first need to pay for subscription again.
If a subscription service is added quality of content will drop drastically because what motivates bungie is money, and if they have to barely work to make 5$ a month then we all know they will not. It is much better as one time purchases.
@@LHBBD It'd a light a fire under their ass to actually put out quality if they cared, FFXIV has a sub and it consistently puts out bangers. The problem is IF in bungie's case, which they have clearly shown they don't currently.
Problem with the current model is you pay for stuff ahead of time without knowing if it's going to be good or not. Puts 0 pressure on them. Makes you as a consumer a sucker for their bs. Bad season? They don't care, you already paid for it this time! No real option to not get the pass that season.
The biggest problem is the fact that Bungie has no competition in the AAA looter shooter market! I wish we could get a truly competitive AAA live service looter shooter to compete with Destiny.
We've had a few similar games come out like outriders, the division etc but don't really come close to destiny. And i cant really see anything coming out anytime soon, we are just stuck with bang average content ,bugs and other problems.
@@slashthe2nd I quit outriders the day I bought it. Refunded it too. I sunk a lot of time into the division, but lets be honest.. the setting and scale of destiny blows a more "grounded" game like the division out of the water. I had high hopes for Anthem back when it came out, but we all know how that went. I hope someday somebody can make a better looter shooter with a fair business model, but it seems as time goes on, game studios care less and less about the actual players and only how much money they can squeeze out of them. And don't get me wrong, if I like a live service game, I am prepared to spend some money so the studio can continue providing content, however, destiny is almost always underwhelming, and ALWAYS repetitive. I was just asking my friends HOW WE ARE STILL FIGHTING THE SAME EXACT FACTIONS OF ENEMIES AFTER ALMOST 9 YEARS!? The witch queen introduced ONE raid boss who looked different. A step in the right direction I suppose. I'd be lying if I said I'm not going to play Lightfall, but I am going into it with low expectations, and me and my friends agreed if this expansion isn't MUCH different, we're probably done.
I'm gonna call it here. No more D2 or Destiny untill they actually make something. Thanks for the video, you've opened my eyes to something I overlooked.
Same was gonna get lightfall but I’m exhausted of bungies lack of effort. They basically admitted to putting in the least amount of effort possible into destiny and said we should be fine with it. I’m done with bungie
Hell, don’t even do that. They deserve to burn for what they did. Even if they bring it back from the brink, we all know why they’d do it THEN. No, let them go down and let it be a warning to the rest of em not to even try it.
0:21 Those people must not have been around for “Eververse will fund new dungeons and other free content.” …or “We made Activision $1 Billion in revenue from Eververse alone!” …or “Bungie ends partnership with Activision” & “Bungie plans to publish free to play games in China” & also “Why China Loves Pay2Win Games & Microtransactions”
I agree with you 100 %. Destiny in it's current state is dogshit. Bungie increases prices and makes content worse. The fact that a person is afraid to leave the game because he did not complete the battle pass, did not complete the mission, did not receive the seal, what Bungie does is disgusting. A lot of games are like this right now. Developers only want money, quality means nothing. Even when comparing D1 and D2, I will always choose D1. It was at least made with soul...
I have a backlog of content and missions. There are campaign missions and quests I had no idea existed, that I paid for, because of how poorly documented the game is.
The replacing voice actors thing. So irritating for me. When I heard The Strangers voice this season, I immediately was able to tell they replaced Moira Quirk with Petra's voice actress. Too bad, Moira's voice is so unique. It's so much cheaper to use the same actress for every female role, isn't it, Bungie?
Remember when Bungie came out and said that the one weapon skin paid for the whisper mission? Everybody loved that. For a brief time, the community felt like the money they were spending in game was going towards awesome new content and not just lining the pockets of Bungie executives. When you're ethically running a business, being open about your finances will drive more people to your service, because it instills trust in your client base which leads to a prideful and proud community that will happily spend more money because they know it's going to better the service that they love. This is all vice versa as well. If youre not open about finances, it instills mistrust which leads to resentment and hesitation to spend more money. So I don't even know how they see this being sustainable long term.
It’s wild. They used to say Microtransactions funded holiday events as well, but then of course holiday events became nothing but limited time microtransactions and even have their own battle passes now alongside all the eververse cosmetics lol.
Leaving Activision and losing not only financial support but developer support too like with Vicarious Vision who made a lot of content during the Forsaken year (arguably the best dlc/year in the Destiny franchise), was a huge mistake and we are only just seeing it now unfortunately
100% true. And not only is it basically a soft-subscription fee, which you need to keep paying in order to have ACCESS to all the content you need to play, the last batch of times I've logged in (on a new account to try out the miserable New Player Experience, I didn't last too long), it's felt like a mobile game. Constant pop-ups directing me to purchasable items AND game content, constant paywalls stopping me from progressing without paying, layer upon layer upon layer of claimable rewards in a variety of menus so you always feel like you're "accomplishing" something. I quit long ago and I'm never coming back. Even if they return the $90 worth of content they've taken OUT of Destiny 2, which is the MINIMUM they can do before I even consider it, I'm willing to eat that $90 if I never have to boot up Destiny ever again.
Bungie *constantly* bringing back things from D1 was and still is my biggest gripe with D2. What’s even worse is the half baked sentiment from the fans of “Well I never played it so it’s new to me.” I hate how the devs and fans tote it as “free to play” when the overwhelming majority of the content is locked behind a paywall. It’s hilarious everyone is talking about the jump to $80 games when bungie is out here charging $200+ to be able to play the entirety of their game. Even worse is that in a years time they’ll just vault all the content that you paid big money for and then charge you more for content and assets that are most likely just from D1 anyway
why do people even buy emotes and social stuff.. this game is barely even a lobby mmo... nobody even chats or talks or do anything social unless ur in a discord or have friends.. this game is the most anti social ive seen... literally nobody has said hi in chat or anything since ive played
Man that Bdobbins clip was a real throwback. I used to watch his videos all the time and he was definitely right in this case. I've even been buying old xbox 360 games to get away from the insane monetization and watered down trash of today
because the fanbase is much younger than the original fans of the game. most of the original playerbase has moved on. Of course some RUclipsrs that have been around since the beginning and still play, but the regular actual playerbase has been replaced by the younger fortnite generation or ultra casuals. Note: nothing wrong with being casual, but the current casual levels are nearing levels of adolescence
The epiphany finally hit me during the most recent Iron banner. Tbh I actually didn't mind the new mode but I caught myself saying out loud once I turned on the game for my 3rd and final character "well, time to do my chores". The fear of missing out on the newest meta guns or armor or what not has kept me engaged albeit reluctantly at times. The same bounties and bright dust farm. Same 5 crucible maps in rotation. The drip fed story leading no where. The thrill and wonder are gone and it's been gone longer than I can even pinpoint. I've taken a season off here and there throughout the years but, and I'm not saying this to sway any readers, this is it for me. Season of plunder took real life months to complete a story arc that could be summed up in a few sentences. Spider taking the coins for the health and betterment of the eliksni quarter is imo the perfect amalgamation of the destiny universe and it's player base. Myself included. In D1 trials and iron banner were things to look forward to, now I don't even play trials and Iron banner is lucky to get 1 play through for pinnacle. Like many others, when light fall was announced I was down to go even at 100 bucks but it's happening before my very eyes and I keep ignoring the fact that I don't love this universe anymore. I don't love this grind. I HATE this seasonal model and the hunt for red borders going on and on within the hamster wheel. A story that's going to take at least a couple more years and couple hundred more dollars and god only know how many real life man hours to see through. My friends all left, and I'm the last of my kind. I'm sure there is joy and satisfaction to be had by many a player in this universe but there's very little I haven't seen/done/accomplished and now it's just...something to play more out of habit than exploration and genuinely fun engagement. I won't be here for Lightfall and beyond but it's my hope that the fellow guardians that stay to see this through to the end are doing it for all the right personal reasons and not because you feel you need to. See you on the other side.
My breaking point for the game has been crucible connections. If they don’t fix and improve connections in crucible that will be the point I look for a new game. To me this is the most replayable aspect of the game and it’s sad to see it being neglected.
They can't monetize it. Like the PvP in Halo Infinite is seriously lacking right now. But the Campaign they charge money for and the shop are running great.
Right? I'm a new player by D2 standards, played 9 months of PVE and when it came to play yet another season of GMs nah I just quit PVE and focused in PVP just to find out they have a 15 year old net code. Apparently PVP D2 players haven't touched grass or played any other PVP game now days just realize how bad this shit is 🤣
I used to not mind the idea of paying ~$100 a year for Destiny. The game seemed to be growing, and the vaulting of content was only a "one time fix" . But last year I realized how seasonal throwaway content completely took over the core game. I miss having lots of missions and exploring to do in Patrol zones and custom strikes when I didnt want to grind the seasonal content. Now it's all fomo, and the game never truly grows. I think the season pass is worth 10$, but when everything is timegated and needs so much grind that I never feel free to wander and explore, the game just feels like a chore instead of a universe to get lost in. And it's only made worse knowing most content will be gone/irrelevant in a few months. If there was an excellent mission in the season, it's just gonna get vaulted rather than brought into the core game. So the Destiny universe that you explore through core content never truly feels immersive or alive, its just the same old stuff on repeat while the seasonal content keeps moving forward leaving the rest of the game behind.
Log in Run seasonal activity Run minor seasonal mission Go back to HELM Listen to some audio from a cheap hologram Get your 7x3 grid upgrade Until next week!
Final Fantasy XIV shows that a subscription payment can work, but Destiny 2's issue is the removal of content and replacing it with content that people get burned out of quickly. Just today, FFXIV released it's newest patch, which continues the post-Endwalker story, adds a new alliance raid (haven't done it yet), a new trial with it's extreme difficulty, a new dungeon, and class reworks. 6.31 will add Omega Protocol (Ultimate) which is another raid. 6.35 will see the new beast tribe quest and the continuation of the relic weapon storyline. Destiny 2 just has the same weekly missions, a single new dungeon, 3 new exotic weapons, and a handful of new weapons. So I don't doubt many players (myself included) would quit because the lack of content that respects a players time doesn't support a subscription payment model combined with the ludicrous pricing of expansions. People will argue with me probably, but FFXIV, despite it's subscription payment, doesn't monetize the game to an insane degree (Mogstation isn't shoved in our faces like Eververse, don't even). The newest expansion for FFXIV, Endwalker, cost a total of $42 and came with all the updates that are free. Destiny 2 meanwhile inflates it's prices with every expansion, expects us to pay for each season pass (unless you buy the most expensive version of the expansion), buy a dungeon key (dumbest idea ever), and has a holiday battle pass as well as Eververse always being shoved in your face. The only reason why I bought Lightfall was because I wanted to play with my clan to avoid being kicked out. If Lightfall sucks though, that's it. Destiny 2 will be off my console and no amount of persuasion will get me to reinstall it again. TLDR: A subscription payment can work in a game when it's done right and respects the player's time, but Destiny 2 can never have such a thing as a monthly subscription payment the lack of respect for a player's time will cause such a thing to backfire horribly on Bungie
Incredibly well put together, this video just absolutely nails everything on so many different levels. The amount of disrespect in the leaked document just shows how they have transitioned as a company. I used to feel like they valued their customers who make their paychecks possible, its now more about sucking every last drip of milk out of the loyal players.
If a subscription service is added quality of content will drop drastically because what motivates bungie is money, and if they have to barely work to make 5$ a month then we all know they will not. It is much better as one time purchases.
Unfortunately the fans let this happen by just going along with it. Bungie will soon start charging people for raids. I have a feeling they’ll do this with one of their seasons and justify by saying that it’s the first ever season with a raid and apply that to the next major expansion.
It isn't even that these companies aren't making money from quality games that aren't littered with microtransactions, they just went from "hey lets make a game that people enjoy" to "hey they enjoyed our content already, now lets change it and pressure them to spend loads of money".
I said the exact sam thing BDobbind did when Eververse came out ( I was in my Sophmore year in high school at the time), and I explained to my friends that I would not buy TTK because of this, and they all laughed at me at the time. So unfortunate that Bungie wasted all of the potential that Destiny could of had.
I get the delux just so that I don’t need to deal with having another purchase every 3 months. I also hate spending extra hence why I have yet to buy any silver
I think it is also important to remember that there is probably a large portion of the player base not playing the game all the time. For example, I play destiny about 2-4 months per year, so I don't mind dropping some money for a few months of gaming fun with my friends, and then walking away from it at the end. It's hard for players like me to see issues when I don't spend all my gaming time with one game.
When people started looking at the Lightfall trailer more closely and realising that the new guns being shown were just reskins with slight variations from older ones, thats when I really had my wtf moment. I can understand reskins for seasonal weapons or dungeons/raids where needed, but this is an entire expansion. We're talking about a company that was just bought out for 3.6 BILLION dollars. Why would they need to still need to asset flip and penny pinch so heavily?
Darkside Royalty Lore has been saying the exact same thing. GMDgeek as well who has legit IT experience themselves yet the Destiny community is just so dang ignorant
Reason why I dropped this game and stuck with warframe. I also stuck with destiny 1 and play that from time to time. Also started playing gundam evolution which is free and is a pvp hero shooter about 70s mechs. The reasons I hear for people give to play their favorite games like d2 just makes me sad because it's a addiction. I had a lot of trouble trying to break away from d2 but I eventually did it and I aint looking back lol. Great vid
@@saphrix4587 in a lot of ways, yes but also no. The thing is, almost everything that can be bought with the “premium” currency can also be grinded, not to mention the fact that you can obtain the premium currency incredibly easy in game through trading. I’ve only spent $50 on Warframe over the span of several years and it was only because I had a 75% off coupon so I got $200 worth of currency for $50. I’ve obtained practically every item in the game through grinding and trading, it’s really not difficult. Warframe is by far better than Destiny in so many ways both gameplay and monetization wise.
I love Destiny, warts and all. However, these last few years my eyes have been opened to what Bungie truly is. They are a truly corrupt company, willing to use their "community" as a weapon to target anyone who doesn't fit in with their pet influencers. I'm hoping Sony's acquisition will clean up some of the rot, but I fear it's too baked-in at this point.
You may need to add the fact that right around their breakup from Activision, small articlr came out stating how they were using psychology to make people more addict towards the game so in the end they can retool things for their precious cash shop and that was also the resurgence and justification for Eververse and look where it is nowadays, I stop playing the game completely since BL, considering that I've played the game since Alpha days, such a shame of a potential that'll never be, even thought they will always use that narrative towards their loyal cult fanbase to justify their practices
I’m a long-term player but I’ve quit playing the last year. This à la cart pricing pushed me out just on principle alone! The game is less fun and cost much more. Has pushed me back to single player games. Let’s be real their focus is somewhere else and they’re draining the destiny base for money to build some thing for another project. Destiny ain’t seeing any of this money. Their relationship with the players is not the same as they once thought it was. Greed has blurred their vision. I hope it cost them
its why i dont play d2. i already pay a monthly service to play on xbox. why am i gonna pay another monthly service on the same platform (where you have to pay to play...), for one game.... EDIT: its gonna be funny when people look back at all the stuff they bought and realize it is literally pointless and has 0 value
The only reason I keep playing is my clan. I've met some really amazing guys and Destiny is a catalyst that brought us together. If I didn't have that...this game would be long gone.
Destiny isn't the source. I've been playing games going back to my first Atari 2500 as a kid in the 80s, or Airborne Ranger on PC. The industry as a whole has been slowly finding new ways to charge more and put out less. Cut costs and maximize profits. I found BDobbins clip funny since the time that he made the video games were already watered down. Bungie currently is only following the evolution of what started maybe 2 decades ago. I remember buying games like the original Rainbow 6, Ghost Recon, Star Wars Battlefront, 1 and 2, etc decades ago that were full games at full price. DLC was real added content and not part of the game cut off and resold to the player.
@@esbam2002 DLCs were very rarely real added content, most of the time were cut content from the base game sold later. Hell they'd even cut the actual ending of the game and sold it separately, like Prince of Persia and in a way Mass Effect 3. But yeah, probably the source for all of this wasteland of a industry is the Horse armor Dlc in Oblivion, almost 18 years ago(?), after that a slow, unrelenting cutting everywere and monetizing everything as videogames got more popular
I always found it very hard to articulate why I think Bungie has turned D2 into one of the most predatory models I've ever been a part of. You've summed up my feelings pretty perfectly. I've always pre-ordered and bought all the expansions to D2, as I felt like I was getting my money's worth. It wasn't until a few weeks ago that I realized, I'm literally doing the same activities over and over to get better gear... so I can optimize my builds to do the same activities easier. It's monotonous, and on top of that, Bungie made the monotony into a monthly subscription service, and they monetized the transmog, dungeons, and now seasonal events like dawning, they've removed a massive number of weapons from being usable in most content only to reissue them in later content to hide how shallow it actually is. And now they're reskinning guns that aren't even sunset. I honestly do hate Destiny, and mainly what Bungie has become even more.
Bro the buy in to play the full game is RIDICULOUSLY HIGH +300 dollars usd rn. I could buy a brandnew xbox series s and still have money left over. Thats too expensive for anyone who hasn’t been playing the game since the beginning
I love destiny I guess used to love destiny. Destiny 1 was my favourite game had thousands of hours on it did all the raids multiple times. Then destiny 2 came out and still played it alot because how similar it was as destiny 1 I know there were changes and it was rocky start but still sticked with it. When new dlc came out or was announced I always paid my hard earned money for it but now with lightfall and how destiny is atm I just can’t be bothered with it. It doesn’t interest me anymore. I know there are people who don’t care what I say but that’s just my opinion.
Bungie had to MASSIVELY fuck up for people to actually leave, when they did the whole sunsetting fiasco i vividly remember the Deluxe Edition of Beyond Light going on sale for 18 bucks like 2 months after it came out. It's going to take another Sunsetting fiasco for the playerbase to wake up, and even then im not really sure. Big respect for you, November, especially that last part, i feel like those comments made to "shame" buyers are made by paid bad actors and/or shills.
it really is insane to see people shame the customer when a company messes up and then monetizes and milks the playerbase for lots of money. how people can defend that will always be a mystery to me
@@NovemberHotel i feel like it has to do with both brand loyalty (aka sunk cost fallacy) and outright shilling (paid actors arguing in bad faith), you mix those 2 and you get Bungie's Defense Force. This exact same thing happened to Warframe and it's one of the mamy reasons that game went from being in the top 3 most played games in steam to not even staying above the 20-25th place.
Ive spent most of my game time on destiny 2 this year and payed for all the dlcs. So this is kinda eye opening. But at the same time ive pirated every AAA title worth 70€ that came out this year, so i guess it evens it self out. Pirate bay ftw.
The one thing you leave out is games that are subscription based usually still charge you for expansions/season passes. So even though you can break down the current cost into a monthly price, it would likely go up if a sub was implemented because you'd still be expected to pay 60-100 bucks for each expansion
You forgot the event pass NH to add to the new monetization. Also we ARE already in a subscription model, cause you can't play the new content without paying for the battle passes. Locking playable content behind a battle pass. Bungie is the only one doing it. Much like scarlet//violet, i won't be buying/preordering from them. And as much as the whole 'dont like it, don't play it' if often thrown....we do need to do that. One of the ways we can tell a game is successful is the player count. If that drops dramatically, that means less money they can get. And maybe it'll be enough of a kicker for Bungie to realize they need to be better. Afterall, complaints dont mean anything if you come back and spend more and more
As a day 1 destiny 1 player, if you just bought the annuals and expansion packs you have spent over 800 bucks for a 60 dollar game, that’s not counting the cash shop
I think the only times I can play this game is when the latest DLC is heavily discounted. Like, heavily. Atleast half off, if not, then I can easily wait it out.
I’ve play from the first day for destiny 1 but when destiny 2 was out and started to do season pass where literally everything is lock behind it stopped me from playing the game. I just don’t see it. Why should I pay 30 to 40 euro for a season pass where most of the content is lock until each week passes
It’s sad that the gaming industry has fallen to this. I’ve found myself going back to playing older games just because they had more content and weren’t made with micro transactions and money in mind. The games were made by passionate developers that actually cared about their product. Bungie used to make games that they themselves would want to play. The studios that make these games now aren’t popular anymore. It might just be because I’m getting older but video games aren’t what they used to be.
this helps me understand better about situations like this as I do like bungie sometimes, I try to leave destiny 2 but then I come back cause the lore is what's dragging me back as well as the FOMO and when I always think bungie takes a step in the right direction. the quote "Critique the media that you love" helps me understand that players aren't just complaining for no reason, they are trying to encourage the media to "make the game players want to play" similarly. this is a great video as it also explains why AAA companies are following the efficient money maker strat because it helps people understand from a business point of view. I also want to point out that I think that some of the devs at bungie hear the players requests but they have to listen to the managers of the company because the business world is totally different. overall I agree with this video and see things more clearly now. GG's on the vid!
I wouldn't mind a 10 dollar monthly subscription if you got EVERYTHING, no seasonal paid card, no dlc or season price, no cosmetic purchases necessary, but is you stopped the eververse items would go back to being locked. No exception
D1 veteran here. Haven’t really played much since then. Who the fuck is paying 95$ for an expansion? I remember when eververse first came out people were losing their mind over fear that it would become pay to win. It’s insane to me that some of those same people are willing to put up with this.
I’m going to have to agree. I watched that video on why games aren’t fun anymore. The OP was talking about something called gaming depression. Best described as playing a game bc you feel you have to. Time sink and FOMO drive it. Bungie have become masters of this. It’s sad bc destiny could be so much more. I’ve previously stated in one of your community posts on season of the plunder that bungie needs to change the model. Those of us non smooth brains are getting burned out faster and faster bc the game is just creatively bankrupt. Pokémon company was a great comparison but we see the outcome. People will be outraged and still make the purchase. If we accept mediocrity that’s just what we’ll keep getting. Anyway if you read this far thanks for listening to the ramblings of a Day 1 D1 player as I come to terms with falling out of love with one of my favorite and most played games of my life.
That's why I wait for the dlcs to go on sale, i have bought everything except for 30th anniversary and shadow keep and dungeon key. But I have bought it while it was on sale for at least 50%
It’s really ironic. As a kid, I wanted to have my own gaming company BECAUSE of how Bungie handled halo. They loved that game and put their hearts into it and as a kid, I wanted to make a passion project as compelling as Halo. Now the “same” company is doing the exact opposite. I wish I knew as a kid I was living in the gaming golden age. Then I’m sure I’d appreciate those times more.
The biggest positive I can think of for Destiny 2 is that it's not an annual game like call of duty. Your progress is kept, however they pump out content every so often with a cost. It's like the release a game every now and then without really releasing a game, and that's why it looks like a free to try game. I will admit, dares of eternity being free was a solid move but not always enough. Yes, you can get weapon ornaments, emotes, and other stuff for free if you wait to pay with bright dust, but I always keep feeling like something is missing.
Their next game is even lazier. Marathon extraction shooter. No need for cutscenes, complex scripting, story telling, etc. Just microtransactions and cosmetics.
I'm sad because I still really enjoy playing Destiny 2 with my friends, and that's the key thing to hone in on. Without the social aspect, I don't know if I'd even be playing anymore. I loaded up the game today when nobody else was on and just stared at the orbit screen before turning it off, because despite being too busy to play the game lately due to work, I have no desire to go in and grind. I'll get everything I'm interested in done in the last 2 weeks and level the weapons I want to use Week 1 of the raid during the Lightfall campaign, if I even decide that I care enough about the game still to drop 100$ on it.
I told my friends who play destiny and are addicted to it that I’m not buying the next expansion. I’m so sick of the business model that’s become the normal. The lack of new content, the same copy, paste, repeat seasonal model. I literally hopped on day one of season 19 and pretty much laid out the whole season in my head. The only thing that took me by surprise was the Rev.0 having multiple “catalysts” and even that’s a poor excuse to my case. I’m done, I’m putting my time and energy towards new things.
I've been playing the Destiny franchise for over 8 years now. In the last 3+ years I've realized that can care less about their player base and would rather nickel and dime them to death instead. I realized this when Bungie bold faced lied about the Eververse. NOT 1 dlc or season pass was made free to the community as promised by Bungie through the purchases from Eververse. Bungie also lied stating that " nothing from D1 will be going forward into D2 " and yet they have resold us old previously bought and paid for content from D1 that was reintroduced as new content in D2. Bungie sunsetted weapons and gear to only resale it to us as new reskined content, and Bungie's list shady business practices can go on and on. I have never purchased anything from Eververse and nor will I ever. I've purchased every dlc and expansion at full price and now Bungie gives that content away as free....utter BS. I've invested so much time and money into the Destiny franchise that now I just play the chore of a game out of principle. Once I get all 3 of my characters pinnacle capped ( 3 wks-1 month ) I quit the game until the following season. After Lightfall I will be quitting the game for good due to Bungie's shady business practices, their greed, and their out right lies with no care in the world for their player base, but only their pockets.
The game preys on its base being fiscally illiterate. If you enjoy it, fine, keep playing it. I am still playing it but how do people not see through this? If you pay $10 a month or $120 a year, it's the same shit, lol.
@@NovemberHotel yes u pay the same money for the year but idk if the game is in a deplorable state like in season of the plunder you can just not pay that month y'know
Love the video (and the D1 footage from BDobbins....17 rounds for the shotty!! God I miss it!). The idea that we've already been paying something like a subscription had occurred to me. Never forget that Luke Smith was a very hardcore WoW player, and that game has always been subscription. Plus you had to buy major expansions. They didn't have microtransactions at first, but certainly added them asap when it became obvious they could. Fwiw, I'm done with D2, D1, and probably gaming full stop. Mostly because there are other things I want to achieve in life, and when I find a game I like, I don't just dabble in it. FWIW tho, I'm not a total completionist - I hardly raid, don't play much pvp, don't care too much about titles, only do dungeons when fresh...but I like having 3 maxed characters, with a good range of weps to choose from, and the bright dust economy is a killer.... But what helped me realise that it was time to stop, is how un-fun and time-consuming the core game, and the grind of D2 has become. Seasonal activities are just escort or horde-mode missions, with tedious, predictably damage-gated bosses. And those bosses are a really good example of how the game has been (intentionally) stagnated. Raid bosses, strike bosses, dungeon bosses, seasonal activity bosses...they all do the same thing. Invulnerable until you do some busy-work to take their shield down, do 30% of their life, rinse-repeat. Same, same, SHAME. If Bungie were putting real effort into the game, there would be different types of bosses. How about one with crazy armor that unpredictably exposes a weak point, which has to be watched for by all the players, called out, then moved to and damaged. Bungie says "nope!" And meanwhile increased difficulty still means inserting champions which are just more damage gated enemies, that additionally drastically limit your loadout/build...gee, so much fun, how will I ever replace this game?! Pffft... And that's where Bungo's money grabbing is so disappointing...at least Blizzard never vaulted anything, and basically kept the game relatively fresh. Bungo meanwhile needs to update ALL the core activities, and either won't or will take forever to do bits of it. Because they've figured out that instead of making/keeping the game itself fun, they can use FOMO and sucky rng to keep players chasing items, instead of logging in to have fun. They've turned the game into something much closer to a job, where you put up with tedious repetition in order to achieve a goal. Such a shame, because the mystical outer-space vibe, especially in the first game, had so much potential.
I understand people want Destiny to be an actual “subscription” but why? The DLC go on sale for a large %. It makes no sense. It’s very annoying paying yearly but it’s better then worrying about paying monthly. Because oh I can’t pay for the month, means I can’t play. Or I can’t play the expansions. I hate buying the expansions but I get my moneys worth and have fun. But I refuse to pay for skins and silver. At least expansions you pay a “fair” price for actually content. Skins you pay $10-$20 for colours. And maybe cool armour. Honestly a waste of money and why I feel Bungie doesn’t support the game as much. Because all they have to do is fill eververse full of shit and people will buy it. Pay hundreds of dollars then complain why the game is shit. I have my issues with the expansions and the prices. But don’t buy skins then wonder why this media is screwing us all over 😪 at least there are good devs out there. Especially Indies
I stopped playing Destiny 2 with friends and quitted the game completely because of Bungie's marketing practices. I grew tired of not being able to play with friends, I grew tired of them defending these practices, and I grew tired of feeling left out. This whole experience made me question the people I played in Destiny 2 with because whenever I want to play with them they mostly play in dlcs that I don't even have, feeling left out. Once I finally got the same dlcs they have, they play in other dlcs that are locked and can't be bought even when I have the money. I only talk to one of my friends from the Destiny 2 crap now because of how the others will defend the marketing practices, triggering me as if it were a PTSD. I don't want to talk crap about Destiny 2, only the way it's sold to the consumer, but it's hard for me to make clear arguments and whenever I talk about dlc prices, it always sounds like an attack to the game rather than how it's sold. I swear, if I'm told I simply have a skill issue of not being able to buy D2 content... Edit: I don't want to talk crap about games, and I really hope people don't take what I say the wrong way. I will be happy to play D2 if D2 was sold the way it should be, but how D2 is being sold to the consumer makes me want to avoid D2 completely despite how good other parts of the game really is.
This reminds me of when Elden Ring released and all those Devs on twitter were racking on it. They’ve become so complacent with mediocrity that Fromsoft making a well made, no season pass, full complete game threatened them.
Well I mean let's steelman the positions of people who say they'd quit if Destiny ever became subscription based for a moment; they're saying they'd quit not because we can break down the price of season passes and expansions and divide them by months but rather that if Bungie WAS to add a subscription they'd still charge for expansions.
As a person who loves the resent content they put out I would like to say, I am a pretty heavy grinder, I don’t buy anything at full cost for expansions, I play what I like in the game and find joy. You may call me insane but I love pvp, currently know but before it was Dmt or nothing. I think that other aspects are lacking but I found that some of it to me is very fun just with the ability and gun play. The recent stories are quite good but still have problems, mainly the core playlists, however I find some people should just take a few weeks break and come back to play all the content they missed, I did this at the worst point in time and missed all of forsaken but still found fun.
i honestly wouldn't even mind paying per month, I normally only play for like a month at a time then have a 3 or 4 month break most years anyway so this would actually save me money as long as you can opt in and out as you please. it would also make it more accessible for new players as they dont have to sink like $100 just to play the basic up to date content or worry about not having something from 3 expansions ago because they didnt get the premium annual pass. honestly I find the current system more predatory as is but thats also why I think it wont change, it makes the most money and they dont care if you dont play after a month until the following year, as long as theyve got your money theyre happy
I remember when the idea of a subscription in Destiny 2 was literally the devil to the player base. Now Bungie have convinced the player base that their hybrid model isn’t a subscription service and everyone doesn’t give a damn cause they buy everything anyway. Activision should seriously be proud of how Bungie has managed to brainwash and whip their entire fanbase into buying and playing LITERALLY anything!
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Dude, is it crazy to think destiny was cheaper when Activision was in the picture.
No kidding lol
Seems like 😅
But I think the „Vision“ of Destiny was totally different back then from what it has become by today 😭
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@@turbotegs2102 do you know the whole history of destiny and what went wrong right at the beginning? Especially with the story writer?
And the MTX were less greedy
You'd think the game director coming out and essentially saying "we're fine with mediocrity and you(other game devs/game directors)should be too" would be the final push the playerbase needs to leave this game, but we all know that won't happen.
I mean I did stop playing since then and I've seen some guys say the same thing under similar videos.
I stopped playing the second week of last season. I just couldn’t force myself to care or keep playing anymore. Then seeing the game director say that gave me the push to say I’m probably never coming back. I hope people can organize a boycott for Lightfall because at this point I feel like it’s the only way Bungie MIGHT do right by the community and do what’s good for the game.
Its funny I was on the fence getting lightfall the game felt dull no great QoL barely played with my clan just because it just felt off, then the GDC dropped and I just laughed. Bungie legit just admitted the player base are cash cows and they don't care about what they put into it.
I was shocked.
He really said this?
I really used to avoid videos like these, because I wanted my purchases to be justified. I didn't want to confront the fact that all that money I had spent was wasted. Destiny 2 is very much an addiction that runs on Sunk-Cost. It isn't hard to quit because it's fun, It's hard to quit because it's scary to feel like all your money was wasted. Its frightening how long it took for me to realize how manipulative this game is. My advice is to be kind to defenders of the game. Don't argue with them, reason with them. Give them the information they need, and let them come to their own decisions. My mind wasn't changed because some random person on the internet yelled at me, It was changed because I realized over the period of a few months that it is the job of someone at Bungie to scare people out of quiting the game. I've decided that I won't be returning for lightfall. I don't want to sink any more of my time or money into Destiny 2. Recently I've been branching out to other games, and I've remembered what it's like to play games designed to be fun. If anyone reading this is on the fence about buying Lightfall, I encourage you to think it over. Try out some well-reviewed Indie-games. Consider each perspective and try to list the reasons to leave, and the reasons to stay. Be honest with yourself.
Good luck.
This is a good point, we'll try to do better. My problem is i didn't value money as much a toy just described. I know it's there be spent wisely or not. What players should think about: Are you getting your money's worth? No we no with Destiny
Well said, I too am seeing the games recycled content. I'll be passing on this revolving door of manipulation.
Well said and properly articulated. As someone who is very invested in the game as a hobby, as something I value and play weekly (if not more). I see and value the opinions of those who deem it necessary for them to leave the game. That being said, I've said this before, i think people viewing this game as a hardcore game/MMO is not what is intended. There are GMs and high tier content for those who want to invest more into their hobby (like harder puzzles, or higher end models to compare to other hobbies). But nothing is forcing you to buy/invest in these higher tiers. No one is forcing you to play when you don't want to (unless your actually addicted). I play this game a lot, but I drop it when I'm bored and play other games.
I do think for 100$ a year (roughly) I'm getting my moneys worth from my Hobby of Destiny, my friend buys $100+ model kits near monthly to support his hobby, I think doing that once a year is well worth the content I receive. I do feel wrong even somewhat illuding to how they monetize this game to be anywhere near "good" I fully belive Shadowkeep and older should be free, beyond light should be free once lightfall comes out (etc). and there should just be an easy one time purchase for things instead of the dungeon key being Silver, but the season pass is real money but older seasons are... (honestly idk how you get older seasons).
But my point with it is, viewing it as a legitimate hobby and seeing your character as your "model" (refering to model trains/gundems etc) For those hobbies to ""catch up"" there is a bit of money investment to get started (again, im not justifing their shitty piece by piece strategy) but I personally think the amount of content we get for $80-$100 a year is really really good when compared to the industry.
Lastly, more power to ya if you dropped this game or realized it wasn't worth it to you as an individual, but like OP said don't judge others for thinking differently. This was just my perspective and how I've found that this game is genuinely great still.
TL;DR viewed as an actual hobby, D2 is a lot cheaper then most others, but viewing it as a video game I understand the pain points.
P.S. If you were offended by anything i said in this post i apologize and nothing was meant as a personal attack.
@@JISHBOSIN no offense taken. If you feel you get your money's worth, than that's great! My problem with the game isn't that people enjoy it, but that it uses very manipulative tactics like FOMO and Sunk-Cost to keep players invested. I personally think that the raids and dungeons are very fun, And I might play them again in the future, but I've decided that there are better uses of my money. These are, however, just my decisions and thoughts. Thank you for your reply and for giving me a new perspective
@@tacowaffles5967 Agreed, my comment wasn't directed towards you primarily, I just knew that this would be a popular discussion and wanted to give those reading a different perspective on the matter.
I do agree that FOMO/Sunk-Cost are all very manipulative and are a horrible business practice. especially if you fall victim to it then I am very sympathetic.
I do dislike the removal of content and never could get behind removing old content into the vault (seasonal... honestly doesn't make me feel bad at all). For the seasonal things, I see them "going away" as a certain line of models ending production, I still have mine (my weapons and armor) and got my use out of it.
And thank you again for not taking this personally and being civil as well as articulating your perspective very eliquently.
My greatest wish for Destiny is the playerbase actually puts their money where their mouth is and stops buying content until Bungie implements proper fixes for the gaping flaws in the game. But I know that will never happen. Destiny is an addiction to the vast majority of the hardcore playerbase
Im not getting Lightfall or any of its seasons and I don’t plan on even playing the game until Bungie stops treating us like piggy banks.
Oh wow you just found out everything runs by money bc nothing is free even designing a game, it takes time and money, called investment. Normal consumers like most of the Destiny community like to complain about everything literally
@@luisguzman6046 well if they want my money they are gonna have to try a little harder…or I’ll go buy something worth my money.
It is an addiction and that’s a fact. I’ve seen myself when I play the game 24/7 non stop, and when I quit. I always wanted to come back it’s like a drug
@@luisguzman6046 See for example, this guy is very stupid and doesn't understand nuance.
As someone who never played Xbox during Halo’s golden era, whenever I ask people about the old Bungie, they always describe them with such passion. They were some of the best developers that the industry had to offer.
To see them as they are now is like an episode of the Twilight Zone: A greedy mismanaged company who only cares about getting as much money as humanly possible. I obviously understand that at the end of the day they have to make money, but there’s a big difference with needing to make money and charging $20 for an expansion that came out over 4 years ago that doesn’t even have all of its content anymore.
Also BDobbins must have been staring into a crystal ball with what he said on 5:01. Everything about that statement adds up.
the man was ahead of his time lol. wish he was still making content about bungie and destiny
This was exactly what i told my friends when this "leak" had happened
We're already paying an annual subscription fee to Bungie for the DLCs and annual passes
Yes, but if you stop playing for a year, you can still come back and play it right away. With a subscription model you can't. However, if we had a subscription model and you would come back after a year, you could play all of the content, including new expansions, raids and dungeons and you would have paid less overall. Decide for yourself which system makes more sense.
@@rayly7291 what do you mean you can't with a subscription model?
@@raevenent751 If you stop playing for a year, i would assume you cancel the subscription. So if you you want to play again, even if its the same content you played a year ago, you would first need to pay for subscription again.
If a subscription service is added quality of content will drop drastically because what motivates bungie is money, and if they have to barely work to make 5$ a month then we all know they will not. It is much better as one time purchases.
@@LHBBD It'd a light a fire under their ass to actually put out quality if they cared, FFXIV has a sub and it consistently puts out bangers. The problem is IF in bungie's case, which they have clearly shown they don't currently.
Quit paying for it a year ago, quit playing 4 months ago. There's no incentive to pay to grind.
Problem with the current model is you pay for stuff ahead of time without knowing if it's going to be good or not. Puts 0 pressure on them. Makes you as a consumer a sucker for their bs. Bad season? They don't care, you already paid for it this time! No real option to not get the pass that season.
Facts 👍
Bad season or good season each season feels exactly the same as the last and the stories follow the same beats.
you make points like this and people will still claim that the current model is better than a subscription model...
It's so unfortunate that their antiquated business model has made me quit the game after 10 years.
game ain’t even been out 10 yrs💀
@@cameronh2457 He stayed on destiny for so much that he forgot to know how to count
@@cameronh2457 pipe down you milk drinker
@@franciscotavares8215 sorry. 9 years since destiny e3 alpha.
@@cameronh2457 Well there was the old demo before the full release, so it's almost 10 years
The biggest problem is the fact that Bungie has no competition in the AAA looter shooter market! I wish we could get a truly competitive AAA live service looter shooter to compete with Destiny.
We've had a few similar games come out like outriders, the division etc but don't really come close to destiny.
And i cant really see anything coming out anytime soon, we are just stuck with bang average content ,bugs and other problems.
I could say Borderlands could destroy destiny 2... Imagine a live service borderlands game
@@xd4ny777 nah bro gearbox killed it.
I'm getting Witch fire and Remnant 2 when it comes releases instead of spending anymore money on this service
@@slashthe2nd I quit outriders the day I bought it. Refunded it too. I sunk a lot of time into the division, but lets be honest.. the setting and scale of destiny blows a more "grounded" game like the division out of the water. I had high hopes for Anthem back when it came out, but we all know how that went. I hope someday somebody can make a better looter shooter with a fair business model, but it seems as time goes on, game studios care less and less about the actual players and only how much money they can squeeze out of them. And don't get me wrong, if I like a live service game, I am prepared to spend some money so the studio can continue providing content, however, destiny is almost always underwhelming, and ALWAYS repetitive. I was just asking my friends HOW WE ARE STILL FIGHTING THE SAME EXACT FACTIONS OF ENEMIES AFTER ALMOST 9 YEARS!? The witch queen introduced ONE raid boss who looked different. A step in the right direction I suppose. I'd be lying if I said I'm not going to play Lightfall, but I am going into it with low expectations, and me and my friends agreed if this expansion isn't MUCH different, we're probably done.
I'm gonna call it here. No more D2 or Destiny untill they actually make something. Thanks for the video, you've opened my eyes to something I overlooked.
Same was gonna get lightfall but I’m exhausted of bungies lack of effort. They basically admitted to putting in the least amount of effort possible into destiny and said we should be fine with it. I’m done with bungie
@@enterchannelname4929 Assuming there will be a Destiny 3. Bungie said the remainder of D3's content was put into D2.
Hell, don’t even do that. They deserve to burn for what they did. Even if they bring it back from the brink, we all know why they’d do it THEN.
No, let them go down and let it be a warning to the rest of em not to even try it.
120$ per year. Dungeon card, season passes, event cards, maybe soon raid passes? Their GDC says it all tbh, jump the ship before it's too late.
0:04 Fun fact: bungie shills do not have eyes. I hate that these morons call paying customers ‘entitled,’ for wanting a better product
0:21 Those people must not have been around for “Eververse will fund new dungeons and other free content.”
…or “We made Activision $1 Billion in revenue from Eververse alone!”
…or “Bungie ends partnership with Activision” & “Bungie plans to publish free to play games in China” & also “Why China Loves Pay2Win Games & Microtransactions”
I agree with you 100 %. Destiny in it's current state is dogshit. Bungie increases prices and makes content worse. The fact that a person is afraid to leave the game because he did not complete the battle pass, did not complete the mission, did not receive the seal, what Bungie does is disgusting. A lot of games are like this right now. Developers only want money, quality means nothing. Even when comparing D1 and D2, I will always choose D1. It was at least made with soul...
I have a backlog of content and missions. There are campaign missions and quests I had no idea existed, that I paid for, because of how poorly documented the game is.
The replacing voice actors thing. So irritating for me. When I heard The Strangers voice this season, I immediately was able to tell they replaced Moira Quirk with Petra's voice actress. Too bad, Moira's voice is so unique. It's so much cheaper to use the same actress for every female role, isn't it, Bungie?
ahhhh...I knew something felt weird when i was watching those cut scenes
Remember when Bungie came out and said that the one weapon skin paid for the whisper mission? Everybody loved that. For a brief time, the community felt like the money they were spending in game was going towards awesome new content and not just lining the pockets of Bungie executives. When you're ethically running a business, being open about your finances will drive more people to your service, because it instills trust in your client base which leads to a prideful and proud community that will happily spend more money because they know it's going to better the service that they love. This is all vice versa as well. If youre not open about finances, it instills mistrust which leads to resentment and hesitation to spend more money. So I don't even know how they see this being sustainable long term.
It’s wild. They used to say Microtransactions funded holiday events as well, but then of course holiday events became nothing but limited time microtransactions and even have their own battle passes now alongside all the eververse cosmetics lol.
This was one of the most unrefutable examples, how does someone explain this?
Leaving Activision and losing not only financial support but developer support too like with Vicarious Vision who made a lot of content during the Forsaken year (arguably the best dlc/year in the Destiny franchise), was a huge mistake and we are only just seeing it now unfortunately
100% true. And not only is it basically a soft-subscription fee, which you need to keep paying in order to have ACCESS to all the content you need to play, the last batch of times I've logged in (on a new account to try out the miserable New Player Experience, I didn't last too long), it's felt like a mobile game. Constant pop-ups directing me to purchasable items AND game content, constant paywalls stopping me from progressing without paying, layer upon layer upon layer of claimable rewards in a variety of menus so you always feel like you're "accomplishing" something. I quit long ago and I'm never coming back. Even if they return the $90 worth of content they've taken OUT of Destiny 2, which is the MINIMUM they can do before I even consider it, I'm willing to eat that $90 if I never have to boot up Destiny ever again.
Bungie *constantly* bringing back things from D1 was and still is my biggest gripe with D2. What’s even worse is the half baked sentiment from the fans of “Well I never played it so it’s new to me.” I hate how the devs and fans tote it as “free to play” when the overwhelming majority of the content is locked behind a paywall.
It’s hilarious everyone is talking about the jump to $80 games when bungie is out here charging $200+ to be able to play the entirety of their game. Even worse is that in a years time they’ll just vault all the content that you paid big money for and then charge you more for content and assets that are most likely just from D1 anyway
why do people even buy emotes and social stuff.. this game is barely even a lobby mmo... nobody even chats or talks or do anything social unless ur in a discord or have friends.. this game is the most anti social ive seen... literally nobody has said hi in chat or anything since ive played
Man that Bdobbins clip was a real throwback. I used to watch his videos all the time and he was definitely right in this case. I've even been buying old xbox 360 games to get away from the insane monetization and watered down trash of today
I think it's funny that people complained so much about d1 dlc, and now it's far far worse and I hear a lot less complaining.
because the fanbase is much younger than the original fans of the game. most of the original playerbase has moved on. Of course some RUclipsrs that have been around since the beginning and still play, but the regular actual playerbase has been replaced by the younger fortnite generation or ultra casuals. Note: nothing wrong with being casual, but the current casual levels are nearing levels of adolescence
@@NovemberHotel real
The epiphany finally hit me during the most recent Iron banner. Tbh I actually didn't mind the new mode but I caught myself saying out loud once I turned on the game for my 3rd and final character "well, time to do my chores".
The fear of missing out on the newest meta guns or armor or what not has kept me engaged albeit reluctantly at times. The same bounties and bright dust farm. Same 5 crucible maps in rotation. The drip fed story leading no where. The thrill and wonder are gone and it's been gone longer than I can even pinpoint. I've taken a season off here and there throughout the years but, and I'm not saying this to sway any readers, this is it for me. Season of plunder took real life months to complete a story arc that could be summed up in a few sentences. Spider taking the coins for the health and betterment of the eliksni quarter is imo the perfect amalgamation of the destiny universe and it's player base. Myself included.
In D1 trials and iron banner were things to look forward to, now I don't even play trials and Iron banner is lucky to get 1 play through for pinnacle. Like many others, when light fall was announced I was down to go even at 100 bucks but it's happening before my very eyes and I keep ignoring the fact that I don't love this universe anymore. I don't love this grind. I HATE this seasonal model and the hunt for red borders going on and on within the hamster wheel. A story that's going to take at least a couple more years and couple hundred more dollars and god only know how many real life man hours to see through. My friends all left, and I'm the last of my kind.
I'm sure there is joy and satisfaction to be had by many a player in this universe but there's very little I haven't seen/done/accomplished and now it's just...something to play more out of habit than exploration and genuinely fun engagement. I won't be here for Lightfall and beyond but it's my hope that the fellow guardians that stay to see this through to the end are doing it for all the right personal reasons and not because you feel you need to. See you on the other side.
Well said 👏
I feel the same thing, just chores to do to avoid FOMO.
Maybe you play too much
@@SoeZ-M4 Or...and this might sound crazy...
The game's not fun?
@@ItzGFromMD I mean, if you are going to farm every shitass weapon and chores that they relase ofc you are going to want to kys
My breaking point for the game has been crucible connections. If they don’t fix and improve connections in crucible that will be the point I look for a new game. To me this is the most replayable aspect of the game and it’s sad to see it being neglected.
They can't monetize it. Like the PvP in Halo Infinite is seriously lacking right now. But the Campaign they charge money for and the shop are running great.
Right? I'm a new player by D2 standards, played 9 months of PVE and when it came to play yet another season of GMs nah I just quit PVE and focused in PVP just to find out they have a 15 year old net code. Apparently PVP D2 players haven't touched grass or played any other PVP game now days just realize how bad this shit is 🤣
It requires a total game engine rework to make it using dedicated servers.
I used to not mind the idea of paying ~$100 a year for Destiny. The game seemed to be growing, and the vaulting of content was only a "one time fix" . But last year I realized how seasonal throwaway content completely took over the core game. I miss having lots of missions and exploring to do in Patrol zones and custom strikes when I didnt want to grind the seasonal content. Now it's all fomo, and the game never truly grows. I think the season pass is worth 10$, but when everything is timegated and needs so much grind that I never feel free to wander and explore, the game just feels like a chore instead of a universe to get lost in. And it's only made worse knowing most content will be gone/irrelevant in a few months. If there was an excellent mission in the season, it's just gonna get vaulted rather than brought into the core game. So the Destiny universe that you explore through core content never truly feels immersive or alive, its just the same old stuff on repeat while the seasonal content keeps moving forward leaving the rest of the game behind.
Log in
Run seasonal activity
Run minor seasonal mission
Go back to HELM
Listen to some audio from a cheap hologram
Get your 7x3 grid upgrade
Until next week!
Final Fantasy XIV shows that a subscription payment can work, but Destiny 2's issue is the removal of content and replacing it with content that people get burned out of quickly. Just today, FFXIV released it's newest patch, which continues the post-Endwalker story, adds a new alliance raid (haven't done it yet), a new trial with it's extreme difficulty, a new dungeon, and class reworks. 6.31 will add Omega Protocol (Ultimate) which is another raid. 6.35 will see the new beast tribe quest and the continuation of the relic weapon storyline.
Destiny 2 just has the same weekly missions, a single new dungeon, 3 new exotic weapons, and a handful of new weapons. So I don't doubt many players (myself included) would quit because the lack of content that respects a players time doesn't support a subscription payment model combined with the ludicrous pricing of expansions. People will argue with me probably, but FFXIV, despite it's subscription payment, doesn't monetize the game to an insane degree (Mogstation isn't shoved in our faces like Eververse, don't even). The newest expansion for FFXIV, Endwalker, cost a total of $42 and came with all the updates that are free. Destiny 2 meanwhile inflates it's prices with every expansion, expects us to pay for each season pass (unless you buy the most expensive version of the expansion), buy a dungeon key (dumbest idea ever), and has a holiday battle pass as well as Eververse always being shoved in your face. The only reason why I bought Lightfall was because I wanted to play with my clan to avoid being kicked out. If Lightfall sucks though, that's it. Destiny 2 will be off my console and no amount of persuasion will get me to reinstall it again.
TLDR: A subscription payment can work in a game when it's done right and respects the player's time, but Destiny 2 can never have such a thing as a monthly subscription payment the lack of respect for a player's time will cause such a thing to backfire horribly on Bungie
"You Will receive less and less, and you will bê happy"
And then it becomes "you will own nothing and be happy"
@@gatorwarrior7557 Just pay 100 bucks to load your character in the Tower! You should be happy fo' that!
Incredibly well put together, this video just absolutely nails everything on so many different levels. The amount of disrespect in the leaked document just shows how they have transitioned as a company. I used to feel like they valued their customers who make their paychecks possible, its now more about sucking every last drip of milk out of the loyal players.
"ANNUAL PASS" Definitely doesn't scream subscription-based
If a subscription service is added quality of content will drop drastically because what motivates bungie is money, and if they have to barely work to make 5$ a month then we all know they will not. It is much better as one time purchases.
Unfortunately the fans let this happen by just going along with it. Bungie will soon start charging people for raids. I have a feeling they’ll do this with one of their seasons and justify by saying that it’s the first ever season with a raid and apply that to the next major expansion.
I can definitely see that happening
I quit D2 during the Warmind bunkers event. I couldn't stomach the paywalls and BS anymore.
Bungie: oh you guys complaining? Lets make final shape 300$ since its the last chapter on the saga right? 🗿
Bdobbins was amazing and was far ahead of his time!
It isn't even that these companies aren't making money from quality games that aren't littered with microtransactions, they just went from "hey lets make a game that people enjoy" to "hey they enjoyed our content already, now lets change it and pressure them to spend loads of money".
I said the exact sam thing BDobbind did when Eververse came out ( I was in my Sophmore year in high school at the time), and I explained to my friends that I would not buy TTK because of this, and they all laughed at me at the time. So unfortunate that Bungie wasted all of the potential that Destiny could of had.
I get the delux just so that I don’t need to deal with having another purchase every 3 months. I also hate spending extra hence why I have yet to buy any silver
Fed
Bungie should be summoned to court. Removing content we have paid for
but bungie is a small indie company
I think it is also important to remember that there is probably a large portion of the player base not playing the game all the time. For example, I play destiny about 2-4 months per year, so I don't mind dropping some money for a few months of gaming fun with my friends, and then walking away from it at the end. It's hard for players like me to see issues when I don't spend all my gaming time with one game.
When people started looking at the Lightfall trailer more closely and realising that the new guns being shown were just reskins with slight variations from older ones, thats when I really had my wtf moment. I can understand reskins for seasonal weapons or dungeons/raids where needed, but this is an entire expansion. We're talking about a company that was just bought out for 3.6 BILLION dollars. Why would they need to still need to asset flip and penny pinch so heavily?
profit margins. gotta save money so that they can line the executives pockets even further
Darkside Royalty Lore has been saying the exact same thing. GMDgeek as well who has legit IT experience themselves yet the Destiny community is just so dang ignorant
Addicts... man. The result of a predatory design model is an addicted customer who will defend your wrongdoing against their own benefit.
Reason why I dropped this game and stuck with warframe. I also stuck with destiny 1 and play that from time to time. Also started playing gundam evolution which is free and is a pvp hero shooter about 70s mechs. The reasons I hear for people give to play their favorite games like d2 just makes me sad because it's a addiction. I had a lot of trouble trying to break away from d2 but I eventually did it and I aint looking back lol. Great vid
Warframe is monetized to hell and back lol
@@saphrix4587 in a lot of ways, yes but also no. The thing is, almost everything that can be bought with the “premium” currency can also be grinded, not to mention the fact that you can obtain the premium currency incredibly easy in game through trading. I’ve only spent $50 on Warframe over the span of several years and it was only because I had a 75% off coupon so I got $200 worth of currency for $50. I’ve obtained practically every item in the game through grinding and trading, it’s really not difficult. Warframe is by far better than Destiny in so many ways both gameplay and monetization wise.
@@HodorGamingTV you pay money for your guns to get crafted, or you wait 24 hr, lol nice try, I’d say warframe is worse than destiny
Warframe is just as bad, i'd say it's even worse as it's more of a skinnerbox disguised as a third person shooter.
@@luisguzman6046 just wait? its not like you need it instantly
I love Destiny, warts and all. However, these last few years my eyes have been opened to what Bungie truly is. They are a truly corrupt company, willing to use their "community" as a weapon to target anyone who doesn't fit in with their pet influencers. I'm hoping Sony's acquisition will clean up some of the rot, but I fear it's too baked-in at this point.
You may need to add the fact that right around their breakup from Activision, small articlr came out stating how they were using psychology to make people more addict towards the game so in the end they can retool things for their precious cash shop and that was also the resurgence and justification for Eververse and look where it is nowadays, I stop playing the game completely since BL, considering that I've played the game since Alpha days, such a shame of a potential that'll never be, even thought they will always use that narrative towards their loyal cult fanbase to justify their practices
I’m a long-term player but I’ve quit playing the last year. This à la cart pricing pushed me out just on principle alone! The game is less fun and cost much more. Has pushed me back to single player games. Let’s be real their focus is somewhere else and they’re draining the destiny base for money to build some thing for another project. Destiny ain’t seeing any of this money. Their relationship with the players is not the same as they once thought it was. Greed has blurred their vision. I hope it cost them
I quit this dumpster fire years ago. It was easy to spot....but the addicts keep buying so Bungie doubled down.
This video makes me glad I quit playing long before things got to this point.
its why i dont play d2. i already pay a monthly service to play on xbox. why am i gonna pay another monthly service on the same platform (where you have to pay to play...), for one game....
EDIT: its gonna be funny when people look back at all the stuff they bought and realize it is literally pointless and has 0 value
Yeah that’s why I hate console because you have to pay to play online, plus mmos are more of my thing anyways
The only reason I keep playing is my clan. I've met some really amazing guys and Destiny is a catalyst that brought us together. If I didn't have that...this game would be long gone.
I genuinely might stop playing all the game alltogether just because its getting too expensive
ive noticed the problem across the industry but this is the first time I've thought about destiny being the source of this
Destiny isn't the source. I've been playing games going back to my first Atari 2500 as a kid in the 80s, or Airborne Ranger on PC. The industry as a whole has been slowly finding new ways to charge more and put out less. Cut costs and maximize profits. I found BDobbins clip funny since the time that he made the video games were already watered down. Bungie currently is only following the evolution of what started maybe 2 decades ago. I remember buying games like the original Rainbow 6, Ghost Recon, Star Wars Battlefront, 1 and 2, etc decades ago that were full games at full price. DLC was real added content and not part of the game cut off and resold to the player.
@@esbam2002 DLCs were very rarely real added content, most of the time were cut content from the base game sold later. Hell they'd even cut the actual ending of the game and sold it separately, like Prince of Persia and in a way Mass Effect 3. But yeah, probably the source for all of this wasteland of a industry is the Horse armor Dlc in Oblivion, almost 18 years ago(?), after that a slow, unrelenting cutting everywere and monetizing everything as videogames got more popular
@@Pippus4 I'm going back even further. Games made in 98, 01 and 05. Back when you did get a complete game for your money and DLC was added content.
@@esbam2002 Ah ok, yes when Expansions where actually real added content. Shit you're making me feel old lol
I feel like they have taken away so much content from this game but have given us back so little in comparison
I always found it very hard to articulate why I think Bungie has turned D2 into one of the most predatory models I've ever been a part of. You've summed up my feelings pretty perfectly. I've always pre-ordered and bought all the expansions to D2, as I felt like I was getting my money's worth. It wasn't until a few weeks ago that I realized, I'm literally doing the same activities over and over to get better gear... so I can optimize my builds to do the same activities easier. It's monotonous, and on top of that, Bungie made the monotony into a monthly subscription service, and they monetized the transmog, dungeons, and now seasonal events like dawning, they've removed a massive number of weapons from being usable in most content only to reissue them in later content to hide how shallow it actually is. And now they're reskinning guns that aren't even sunset. I honestly do hate Destiny, and mainly what Bungie has become even more.
Bro the buy in to play the full game is RIDICULOUSLY HIGH +300 dollars usd rn. I could buy a brandnew xbox series s and still have money left over. Thats too expensive for anyone who hasn’t been playing the game since the beginning
Wish I could love destiny again. The way they monetize it puts me off
I love destiny I guess used to love destiny. Destiny 1 was my favourite game had thousands of hours on it did all the raids multiple times. Then destiny 2 came out and still played it alot because how similar it was as destiny 1 I know there were changes and it was rocky start but still sticked with it. When new dlc came out or was announced I always paid my hard earned money for it but now with lightfall and how destiny is atm I just can’t be bothered with it. It doesn’t interest me anymore. I know there are people who don’t care what I say but that’s just my opinion.
Bungie had to MASSIVELY fuck up for people to actually leave, when they did the whole sunsetting fiasco i vividly remember the Deluxe Edition of Beyond Light going on sale for 18 bucks like 2 months after it came out.
It's going to take another Sunsetting fiasco for the playerbase to wake up, and even then im not really sure.
Big respect for you, November, especially that last part, i feel like those comments made to "shame" buyers are made by paid bad actors and/or shills.
it really is insane to see people shame the customer when a company messes up and then monetizes and milks the playerbase for lots of money. how people can defend that will always be a mystery to me
@@NovemberHotel i feel like it has to do with both brand loyalty (aka sunk cost fallacy) and outright shilling (paid actors arguing in bad faith), you mix those 2 and you get Bungie's Defense Force.
This exact same thing happened to Warframe and it's one of the mamy reasons that game went from being in the top 3 most played games in steam to not even staying above the 20-25th place.
Bungie crafted an image of a humble game studio that wants to nurture a wholesome community, but it’s a facade to get into our wallets
Ive spent most of my game time on destiny 2 this year and payed for all the dlcs. So this is kinda eye opening. But at the same time ive pirated every AAA title worth 70€ that came out this year, so i guess it evens it self out. Pirate bay ftw.
The one thing you leave out is games that are subscription based usually still charge you for expansions/season passes. So even though you can break down the current cost into a monthly price, it would likely go up if a sub was implemented because you'd still be expected to pay 60-100 bucks for each expansion
You forgot the event pass NH to add to the new monetization. Also we ARE already in a subscription model, cause you can't play the new content without paying for the battle passes. Locking playable content behind a battle pass. Bungie is the only one doing it. Much like scarlet//violet, i won't be buying/preordering from them.
And as much as the whole 'dont like it, don't play it' if often thrown....we do need to do that. One of the ways we can tell a game is successful is the player count. If that drops dramatically, that means less money they can get. And maybe it'll be enough of a kicker for Bungie to realize they need to be better. Afterall, complaints dont mean anything if you come back and spend more and more
Problem I have with a subscription service is not being able to play the stuff I already paid for without paying more money
didnt watch the video but that d2 is already a subscription was my first thought too after reading about this.
As a day 1 destiny 1 player, if you just bought the annuals and expansion packs you have spent over 800 bucks for a 60 dollar game, that’s not counting the cash shop
I think the only times I can play this game is when the latest DLC is heavily discounted. Like, heavily. Atleast half off, if not, then I can easily wait it out.
I’ve play from the first day for destiny 1 but when destiny 2 was out and started to do season pass where literally everything is lock behind it stopped me from playing the game. I just don’t see it. Why should I pay 30 to 40 euro for a season pass where most of the content is lock until each week passes
It’s sad that the gaming industry has fallen to this. I’ve found myself going back to playing older games just because they had more content and weren’t made with micro transactions and money in mind. The games were made by passionate developers that actually cared about their product. Bungie used to make games that they themselves would want to play. The studios that make these games now aren’t popular anymore. It might just be because I’m getting older but video games aren’t what they used to be.
How you can buy deluxe editions of dlc (like me) and spend a single $ in eververse ? Bro just use stardust and wait.
this helps me understand better about situations like this as I do like bungie sometimes, I try to leave destiny 2 but then I come back cause the lore is what's dragging me back as well as the FOMO and when I always think bungie takes a step in the right direction. the quote "Critique the media that you love" helps me understand that players aren't just complaining for no reason, they are trying to encourage the media to "make the game players want to play" similarly. this is a great video as it also explains why AAA companies are following the efficient money maker strat because it helps people understand from a business point of view. I also want to point out that I think that some of the devs at bungie hear the players requests but they have to listen to the managers of the company because the business world is totally different. overall I agree with this video and see things more clearly now. GG's on the vid!
Glad you enjoyed! Appreciate hearing your perspective!
@@NovemberHotel no problem 😊
Agree with everything you said but the voice acting one, Bungie made the stupidest decision to hire these expensive actors/celebrities to voice act
I wouldn't mind a 10 dollar monthly subscription if you got EVERYTHING, no seasonal paid card, no dlc or season price, no cosmetic purchases necessary, but is you stopped the eververse items would go back to being locked.
No exception
D1 veteran here. Haven’t really played much since then. Who the fuck is paying 95$ for an expansion? I remember when eververse first came out people were losing their mind over fear that it would become pay to win. It’s insane to me that some of those same people are willing to put up with this.
I’m going to have to agree. I watched that video on why games aren’t fun anymore. The OP was talking about something called gaming depression.
Best described as playing a game bc you feel you have to. Time sink and FOMO drive it. Bungie have become masters of this. It’s sad bc destiny could be so much more.
I’ve previously stated in one of your community posts on season of the plunder that bungie needs to change the model. Those of us non smooth brains are getting burned out faster and faster bc the game is just creatively bankrupt.
Pokémon company was a great comparison but we see the outcome. People will be outraged and still make the purchase. If we accept mediocrity that’s just what we’ll keep getting.
Anyway if you read this far thanks for listening to the ramblings of a Day 1 D1 player as I come to terms with falling out of love with one of my favorite and most played games of my life.
The Final Shape is money
That's why I wait for the dlcs to go on sale, i have bought everything except for 30th anniversary and shadow keep and dungeon key. But I have bought it while it was on sale for at least 50%
It’s really ironic. As a kid, I wanted to have my own gaming company BECAUSE of how Bungie handled halo. They loved that game and put their hearts into it and as a kid, I wanted to make a passion project as compelling as Halo. Now the “same” company is doing the exact opposite.
I wish I knew as a kid I was living in the gaming golden age. Then I’m sure I’d appreciate those times more.
The biggest positive I can think of for Destiny 2 is that it's not an annual game like call of duty. Your progress is kept, however they pump out content every so often with a cost. It's like the release a game every now and then without really releasing a game, and that's why it looks like a free to try game.
I will admit, dares of eternity being free was a solid move but not always enough. Yes, you can get weapon ornaments, emotes, and other stuff for free if you wait to pay with bright dust, but I always keep feeling like something is missing.
Their next game is even lazier. Marathon extraction shooter. No need for cutscenes, complex scripting, story telling, etc. Just microtransactions and cosmetics.
I'm sad because I still really enjoy playing Destiny 2 with my friends, and that's the key thing to hone in on. Without the social aspect, I don't know if I'd even be playing anymore. I loaded up the game today when nobody else was on and just stared at the orbit screen before turning it off, because despite being too busy to play the game lately due to work, I have no desire to go in and grind. I'll get everything I'm interested in done in the last 2 weeks and level the weapons I want to use Week 1 of the raid during the Lightfall campaign, if I even decide that I care enough about the game still to drop 100$ on it.
Hot take, the game was better under Activision.
I told my friends who play destiny and are addicted to it that I’m not buying the next expansion. I’m so sick of the business model that’s become the normal. The lack of new content, the same copy, paste, repeat seasonal model. I literally hopped on day one of season 19 and pretty much laid out the whole season in my head. The only thing that took me by surprise was the Rev.0 having multiple “catalysts” and even that’s a poor excuse to my case. I’m done, I’m putting my time and energy towards new things.
I've been playing the Destiny franchise for over 8 years now. In the last 3+ years I've realized that can care less about their player base and would rather nickel and dime them to death instead. I realized this when Bungie bold faced lied about the Eververse. NOT 1 dlc or season pass was made free to the community as promised by Bungie through the purchases from Eververse. Bungie also lied stating that " nothing from D1 will be going forward into D2 " and yet they have resold us old previously bought and paid for content from D1 that was reintroduced as new content in D2. Bungie sunsetted weapons and gear to only resale it to us as new reskined content, and Bungie's list shady business practices can go on and on. I have never purchased anything from Eververse and nor will I ever. I've purchased every dlc and expansion at full price and now Bungie gives that content away as free....utter BS. I've invested so much time and money into the Destiny franchise that now I just play the chore of a game out of principle. Once I get all 3 of my characters pinnacle capped ( 3 wks-1 month ) I quit the game until the following season. After Lightfall I will be quitting the game for good due to Bungie's shady business practices, their greed, and their out right lies with no care in the world for their player base, but only their pockets.
Damn D1 crucible looks so much better than D2s lol
because it was and still is
The game preys on its base being fiscally illiterate.
If you enjoy it, fine, keep playing it. I am still playing it but how do people not see through this?
If you pay $10 a month or $120 a year, it's the same shit, lol.
It is not
Yes it is. $10 dollars x 12 months equals $120. It literally is the same thing
@@NovemberHotel yes u pay the same money for the year but idk if the game is in a deplorable state like in season of the plunder you can just not pay that month y'know
Love the video (and the D1 footage from BDobbins....17 rounds for the shotty!! God I miss it!).
The idea that we've already been paying something like a subscription had occurred to me. Never forget that Luke Smith was a very hardcore WoW player, and that game has always been subscription. Plus you had to buy major expansions. They didn't have microtransactions at first, but certainly added them asap when it became obvious they could.
Fwiw, I'm done with D2, D1, and probably gaming full stop. Mostly because there are other things I want to achieve in life, and when I find a game I like, I don't just dabble in it.
FWIW tho, I'm not a total completionist - I hardly raid, don't play much pvp, don't care too much about titles, only do dungeons when fresh...but I like having 3 maxed characters, with a good range of weps to choose from, and the bright dust economy is a killer....
But what helped me realise that it was time to stop, is how un-fun and time-consuming the core game, and the grind of D2 has become. Seasonal activities are just escort or horde-mode missions, with tedious, predictably damage-gated bosses. And those bosses are a really good example of how the game has been (intentionally) stagnated. Raid bosses, strike bosses, dungeon bosses, seasonal activity bosses...they all do the same thing. Invulnerable until you do some busy-work to take their shield down, do 30% of their life, rinse-repeat. Same, same, SHAME. If Bungie were putting real effort into the game, there would be different types of bosses. How about one with crazy armor that unpredictably exposes a weak point, which has to be watched for by all the players, called out, then moved to and damaged. Bungie says "nope!" And meanwhile increased difficulty still means inserting champions which are just more damage gated enemies, that additionally drastically limit your loadout/build...gee, so much fun, how will I ever replace this game?! Pffft...
And that's where Bungo's money grabbing is so disappointing...at least Blizzard never vaulted anything, and basically kept the game relatively fresh. Bungo meanwhile needs to update ALL the core activities, and either won't or will take forever to do bits of it. Because they've figured out that instead of making/keeping the game itself fun, they can use FOMO and sucky rng to keep players chasing items, instead of logging in to have fun. They've turned the game into something much closer to a job, where you put up with tedious repetition in order to achieve a goal. Such a shame, because the mystical outer-space vibe, especially in the first game, had so much potential.
This started a few DLCs ago if you think about it. Why I go back to D1 still, old but at least I get all the content I paid for.
Great points.
I understand people want Destiny to be an actual “subscription” but why? The DLC go on sale for a large %. It makes no sense. It’s very annoying paying yearly but it’s better then worrying about paying monthly. Because oh I can’t pay for the month, means I can’t play. Or I can’t play the expansions. I hate buying the expansions but I get my moneys worth and have fun. But I refuse to pay for skins and silver. At least expansions you pay a “fair” price for actually content. Skins you pay $10-$20 for colours. And maybe cool armour. Honestly a waste of money and why I feel Bungie doesn’t support the game as much. Because all they have to do is fill eververse full of shit and people will buy it. Pay hundreds of dollars then complain why the game is shit. I have my issues with the expansions and the prices. But don’t buy skins then wonder why this media is screwing us all over 😪 at least there are good devs out there. Especially Indies
NovemberHotel , a man of the people
I stopped playing Destiny 2 with friends and quitted the game completely because of Bungie's marketing practices. I grew tired of not being able to play with friends, I grew tired of them defending these practices, and I grew tired of feeling left out. This whole experience made me question the people I played in Destiny 2 with because whenever I want to play with them they mostly play in dlcs that I don't even have, feeling left out. Once I finally got the same dlcs they have, they play in other dlcs that are locked and can't be bought even when I have the money. I only talk to one of my friends from the Destiny 2 crap now because of how the others will defend the marketing practices, triggering me as if it were a PTSD. I don't want to talk crap about Destiny 2, only the way it's sold to the consumer, but it's hard for me to make clear arguments and whenever I talk about dlc prices, it always sounds like an attack to the game rather than how it's sold. I swear, if I'm told I simply have a skill issue of not being able to buy D2 content...
Edit: I don't want to talk crap about games, and I really hope people don't take what I say the wrong way. I will be happy to play D2 if D2 was sold the way it should be, but how D2 is being sold to the consumer makes me want to avoid D2 completely despite how good other parts of the game really is.
This reminds me of when Elden Ring released and all those Devs on twitter were racking on it. They’ve become so complacent with mediocrity that Fromsoft making a well made, no season pass, full complete game threatened them.
Great video! Point we’re extremely valid and accurate!
Well I mean let's steelman the positions of people who say they'd quit if Destiny ever became subscription based for a moment; they're saying they'd quit not because we can break down the price of season passes and expansions and divide them by months but rather that if Bungie WAS to add a subscription they'd still charge for expansions.
If destiny wasn't built on an engine on life support the game would have alot more content because they wouldn't need to sunset or vault content
Stop lying to yourself that is no longer true
@Pico yes it is, they never switched engine, they only updated it. It's foundation is still the same
@@some_guy_with_a_anime_profile had more than enough time no excuse
As a person who loves the resent content they put out I would like to say, I am a pretty heavy grinder, I don’t buy anything at full cost for expansions, I play what I like in the game and find joy. You may call me insane but I love pvp, currently know but before it was Dmt or nothing. I think that other aspects are lacking but I found that some of it to me is very fun just with the ability and gun play. The recent stories are quite good but still have problems, mainly the core playlists, however I find some people should just take a few weeks break and come back to play all the content they missed, I did this at the worst point in time and missed all of forsaken but still found fun.
i honestly wouldn't even mind paying per month, I normally only play for like a month at a time then have a 3 or 4 month break most years anyway so this would actually save me money as long as you can opt in and out as you please.
it would also make it more accessible for new players as they dont have to sink like $100 just to play the basic up to date content or worry about not having something from 3 expansions ago because they didnt get the premium annual pass. honestly I find the current system more predatory as is but thats also why I think it wont change, it makes the most money and they dont care if you dont play after a month until the following year, as long as theyve got your money theyre happy
I remember when the idea of a subscription in Destiny 2 was literally the devil to the player base. Now Bungie have convinced the player base that their hybrid model isn’t a subscription service and everyone doesn’t give a damn cause they buy everything anyway. Activision should seriously be proud of how Bungie has managed to brainwash and whip their entire fanbase into buying and playing LITERALLY anything!
yeah i stopped playing density its really expensive
i've quit the game at the end of plunder, and i'm not buying lightfall, bungie has ruined this game.