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I'm very happy with my G310GS but that CRF300 Rally has caught my eye. The 3.8 gallon tank isn't bad but Honda should give it a 5+ gallon tank and make it in black or gray instead of Honda racing red.
I owned a 2013 V-strom650 for 3 years and 32,000 miles. I dare say it's a better mid sized adventure bike than anything on this list. Just enough power to keep it interesting, but not overwhelming for a beginner. Arguably more reliable with lower ongoing costs than anything on this list. I rode mine enthusiastically, occasionally at triple digit speeds, lots of gravel forest roads, countless days over 350 miles. It's fuel injected, 6 gears, long range with good mileage and a large fuel tank, one of the highest cargo capacities of any bike, good wind and weather protection, good 2up, smooth engine and transmission, comfortable, easy and inexpensive to maintain. I am a very big guy (6'4" 255#), the weight and height of the V-strom were never an issue for me. I loved my KLR650, but at 80mph it got blown around and was about tapped out. The KLR650 felt like a toy compared to the V-strom650 on the freeway. If you're over 5'10" and shopping adventure bikes, not dual sport, the V-strom should be at the top of your list. No it's not for hardcore dirt riding but it's fantastic for exploring gravel forest service roads and long days on the highway or playing on backroads. *your experience may vary. I'm on a Super Tenere now for shaft drive, electronic suspension and cruise control.
Cheers 🍻 to you comments. Agree 💯. I've had both machines also and would definitely purchase another WeeStrom. The KLR,, hell no! Slug on the Road, but better offroad. Coincidentally I have an 012 S10 also but no ES or cruise 🤷♂️. A wonderful Mile Muncher. 😋
The Suzuki Vstrom always flies under the radar. I would consider it as capable as any of these bikes when on paved roads and it is arguably just as capable off road as several of these. Inexpensive, reliable, as easy to work on. A great community of StromTroopers to assist in maintaining the bike is a KLR-like experience as well. Sure it’s pretty heavy at 470lbs, but it’s powerful at 70hp (69nm torque). With a seat height of 32.7” it is a very approachable bike. Its budget friendly, powerful, and more highway ready than several of these you mentioned. I think it’s a good entry level adventure touring bike with lots of upside. No Suzuki love even on Valentine’s Day… staying under the radar again I guess VStromers!!!
I don't know if the Honda Transalp is sold in the US, but after thinking about buying a V-Strom for months, I went for a used '09 Transalp 700 (4000€). According to my research they're quite similar in capability, though the Transalp 700 has less power (60bhp), but I think it's a midge lighter, and also cheaper. Both solid options that I indeed don't see mentionned very often.
@@qohenleth4472 The Transalp is no longer sold here in the USA. It was only sold for a couple of years in the late 1980s. I bought one new around 1990 or so. It was a 1989 that had been sitting on the floor of the dealership with no takers. I bought it and it’s a great bike. It’s featured in another RUclips channel by Pedro Mota. With a few small upgrades, it a very capable ADV bike.
👋 hey,, Vstrom 650 PO. I Throughly enjoyed the bike,, although it is a more Road biased machine. Skid plate is required for anything off pavement. Its reliable as an Anvil with enough power for serious touring. I had the Adventure model with crash(BUZZZY)bars and the hard panniers. Rode it all over the western states and never had one mechanical issue. And honestly, I would gladly purchase another. Ride safe🙏 everyone.
What a coincidence you just made this video. I am an experienced rider on/off road. I just bought myself last week a versys x 300 for an unconventional adv build. I bought a 2017 with 1900 miles. Parts on the way, seat concepts tall seat, full skid plate, crash bars, shinko 804/805, led pods, unbreakable levers etc. Total build price finished will be under $5k. With fuel mpg/range there's alot of room for adventure to be had at this price.
I purchased the CRF300 Rally and think it should have its own class Adventure/Dual Sport. The fairing and windshield function perfectly for road trips yet its dual sport DNA can rip any trail if you're so inclined. Not really a highway bike but it's way more comfortable than any dual sport on the road that I have experience with. I did upgrade the suspension and customize the bike for my wants and needs. I love your channel!
@@jonlough3074 Tall winshields make bike very unstable at higher speeds. I had one on my cb500x. After miserable wind experience on 2000 miles trip, I took it off and never thought of it again.
@@jonlough3074 I'm 5'9" with the stock shield so you may want to upgrade or get an extension that clips to the factory shield. Never had a need for a tall shield so I don't know how it affects stability or buffeting.
I agree with what you say but I think the CRF Rally is a dual sport, not an ADV. There used to be a clear difference between ADV and dual sports, but I see nowadays dual sports and ADVs are thought to be the same. Any dual sport is going to be better than an ADV off-road (especially the CRF, that one is amazing, albeit a bit tall), but ADV is not only about off-road, ADVs have been the modern UJM for so many years, why should we judge them solely for their off-road capabilities now?
I got a 300 Rally.I added the $25 windshield extension that clamps on. Works wonderful for directing the wind buffering over your head. I was truly shocked at how well it worked!
My little brother started on a 2017 Versys-X 300, and I *WISH* I had access to that as a first bike. Its small enough to toss around trails, but large enough that cruising at 75 on the freeway is no problem. For the price it is a fantastically capable machine, highly recommend.
I didn’t start riding motorcycles until I was 52 years old.. bought a 2016 KLR 650.. dropped it the brand new bike the first day I got it.. I learned so much on that bike.. 20k miles on it now .. absolutely no problems except the electric fan I wrecked in one of my drops before I put on the motor guard. I replaced the doohickey also just because it was recommended.. I learned a lot on this bike and built confidence.. just put a down payment on a 1250Harley Pan America Special .. but I’m keeping my KLR forever
For me, the CB500X and Versys 300 are the top picks (rider size and cost being the deciding factors). Incredible reliability and long (500km) fuel range are top priorities for me in the back country which these two meet. The 500X did get suspension and brake upgrades this year which should make it even better. Every bike has compromises and you need to determine which characteristics you want to prioritize. I'm hoping we'll see more small to midsize adventure bikes as even at nearly 6ft tall, I find most of them feel massive.
So wanted to add my own personal perspective. I started out my motorcycling with a Honda CB500X. Its a fantastic bike. For a new rider actually still feels a bit heavy but manageable. from there i upgraded to a BMWF700GS. Felt about the same as the honda weight wise (low tank = low center of gravity) but also a heavy bike. Then I purchased a Tiger 900 RP, which I still have. I've taken both the Tiger and the BMW F700 offroad and they are both ok but heavy. I'm not an overly experienced offroad rider and I'd say that your list is heading in the right direction. I recently added a BMW G310GS with full Rally Raid treatment. This bike was transformed by the RR kit, but even without it, looking back at my choices now I should have started with something lighter like the 310GS. I now feel like through a lot of trial and error, I have the right solution - the Tiger is great for longer trips, mostly road, and easier off road sections. As soon as it gets technical it can get downright intimidating. The BMW G310GS Rally Raid inspires so much more confidence, its great offroad, and it does well enough on the hwy to get me to where I want to go.
FWIW, Itchy Boots started her adventure on a Royal Enfield Himalayan from India to Indonesia to Oman and around Europe to the Netherlands. Her second bike, also a Himalayan she rode from Argentina to Ushuaia north to Ecuador when she was stopped by COVID. Her current bike, the CRF300 has shown to be a great bike from Ecuador to Mexico on her current trip.
@@ArtTheTractor I agree. I recently went fireroad riding and dropped my KTM 890 Adventure R 3 times. It’s extremely difficult, at my age(62), to pick up. The last drop the seat was facing down hill and I couldn’t pick it up. Fortunately I had a friend with me. I think I’m going to try and get a bike in the 250-350lbs range maybe a KTM 500 Exc-f. I’m just concerned about the reliability. I primarily bought the 890 for BDR’s so can the 500 do that job, not sure?
Yes I listened to your caveat about picking strictly "ADV" bikes, HOWEVER I will also cast my vote for the CRF300L Rally. Very capable offroad, easily does 70mph in comfort all day on the highway, big fuel tank, decent wind protection, and it's CHEAP to operate insure & maintain (and purchase, usually). Sure it has some cons, don't they all - but for a beginner (a taller one, granted) it's a really valid choice - much moreso than the big GS IMO (and I put 95,000km on an F800GS and 65,000km on an F650GS). I'd happily ride the 300 anywhere on the planet, I'll never go back to the big ADV's.
@@KF1Roughly 600 or 700. At 70mph, its at just under 8000 . I only drove it a few miles new before changing the sprocket. I wanted the highway to break it in faster without strain.
Can't say enough good about the Versys X-300. I got one for my daughter and can ride it any time I like (if she's not riding it!). Riding it convinced me I didn't need a KLR any more, because it will do anything a KLR will do and do it easier. Yeah, not as much suspension travel, but the suspension it does have isn't as mushy. It's not as smooth on the dirt and gravel roads, but it has more feel and less heft, making it more confidence inspiring. I'd recommend it over the KLR. The only thing I think the KLR has going for it over the X-300 is maybe slightly easier servicing (valve adjustment being the main thing, if you're doing it yourself) and the larger road presence when riding in urban or suburban traffic.
@@the.communist agreed. I think a lot of commenters on this video are missing that in the title. If you are a beginner or someone who isn’t 6’4” and 200+ lbs then bikes like the KLR650 and VStrom are too much to handle. They certainly have their place, but not in the category Ian is trying to outline in his video.
I have the Versys x and love it. Proper tires make it incredible on dirt and fire roads. Nimble on the twisties. The klr is just too big and clumsy for most adventure riding.
I have two gen2 klr. I really like the looks of the 3rd gen, the versys 300, and the cb500x. If I had room for a whack of bikes, I'd have one of each. KLe500, a Dominator, a TransAlp. I really like the new Tiger Sport 660.✌😄
Thank you for the excellent video and I'm glad you included my Kawasaki Versys X-300. I bought my Versys in September 2020 brand new. I put 5400 miles on it in two years. Just two weeks ago, because of fuel prices, I decided to ride it from my home in Tucson AZ to Modesto CA. I had only been on the Interstates a couple of times in the past mostly sticking to AZ State highways. I was pleasantly surprised at my X-300's performance. It was traveling mostly between speeds of 68 and 78 mph. Smooth as silk and with my 4.5-gallon tank I had a range of well over 200 miles, though I refilled at an average of 160 miles taking only 2.5 gallons at the pump. This motorcycle on my first overnight trip exceeded my expectations. I am only 5'4' and the seat height was a big factor when I bought it. I covered 1742 miles on this trip. I can only sing the Kawasaki's praises. This is the perfect bike for me and I am glad I bought it.
Another great vid, Ian!!! I have owned a Versys X300 for several years and still love this little machine. I have added T-Rex crash bars and skid plate (very tough - happy with them). Also lowered the foot pegs one inch and added 2 inch Rox pivoting bar risers (I stand a lot and at 6'3" these mods are a game changer). Also added Givi luggage racks and wider foot pegs. I've ridded a number of Jeep trails where I live in SW Colorado and also part of the TransAmeria trail, even Ophir Pass, on the X300. Yes, the suspension is limited, but slower speeds and standing solve most of that (and I weigh 210 lbs). Highway at 75 mph is not a problem, just not much passing power left at that speed. I added Mitas E07 tires and it does surprisingly well on some steep, dirt hills. I own and ride a Husaberg FE390 for serious dirt, and a 2017 Vstrom 650XT for more travel oriented work. Thought I might sell the X300 after buying the Vstrom, but it's such a balanced bike that handles so well I chose to keep it. ALSO, I routinely get over 70 mpg around the county roads and I easily get over 300 mile range. RUclipsr Ryan Fortnine in Canada loves this bike -- one of the best in its size, power, price range. Thanks for including it, hope you get to ride one soon. Husageezer (I'm 73!).
@@markcollins5026 WEIRD - one of my best friends in Colorado is "Mark Collins" - at first I thought you were him! (He rides TW200 in serious back country here is SW Colorado.) I have other friends who ride KLR 650s and love them. I rode one once for about 5 minutes in town - nice ride.
QUESTION: Fuel consumption... with gas going up up up, I think it is really useful to include MPG for these bikes. Yes MPG will change based on rider weight, throttle input, type of riding city or highway.... but generally, all things being equal... what bikes are good MPG, what are so so, and what is going to cost more over the long term. Also... 9 months later... are you going to ride the Versys 300? This is the bike I am MOST interested in. How is it for a daily commuter, getting on and off, stability / maneuverability when lane splitting, and level of capability off road??? I WANT to do 80/20 off road, but in reality I do 80/20 on road, with rock roads, dirt roads, very little trail riding. Lastly how is it for keeping a constant 85/90 mpg on the highway? ALL of his would be GREAT to know. For all the bikes. Plus the differences between duel sport and adventure bikes... these seem vey similar or the same but are they really? SORRY: last thought... cost of service / repair.. is maintaining a KTM or BMW going to cost the same as a Honda or a Kawasaki... how often is service and can it be done DYI or is it dealer only??? Very Important!! Do all these run on regular gas or do some require premium gasoline?
@@reedkelly6145 Great questions, Reed. My mileage averages 70 - 73 mpg. I am 74 years old and ride pretty conservatively. My average trip is to Durango, CO from 13 miles out of town - 5 miles on gravel county roads then 8 on pavement to get to town. I run Mitas E07 tires and love them. This bike will NOT get 85-90 miles per gallon. But riding at 45 miles per hour, it will get over 70 if ridden conservatively. HANDLING: This bike handles like a DREAM! Very maneuverable at any speed. Tight curves or long sweepers are all just easy. In town traffic handling is also very easy - handles like a sport bike, feels light and nimble. I have the anti-lock brakes - highly recommended, works like a dream. Stops VERY well and I've never locked up a tire, front or back, even under heavy braking. MAINTENANCE and RELIABILITY: I've had mine for over 3 years - zero problems, just change the oil. This is a very reliable bike in every respect. The 300cc engine is sourced from the Ninja 300 race bike and is basically bulletproof. High RPM is by design and won't hurt this engine - and I will run on regular gas, but I always use non-ethanol 90 octane gas in my bikes. They sit for months through the Colorado winters and ethanol gas gums up over time. I think the book calls for 89 octane (mid-grade where I live). Lower elevations call for higher octane in general. So if you live near sea level, stick with 89 octane, which is probably regular gas. SERVICE INTERVAL: I change the oil every 3,300 miles (that's easy to track, 3300, 6600 and 10,000 on the clock). OFF-ROAD PERFORMANCE. I ride quite a few Jeep Trails in SW Colorado, works great. Really Rocky Mountain passes are doable, just go slow and remember the limiting factor is fork and shock travel (I weigh 215lbs). Regular forest service roads are no problem at all. HIGHWAY TRAVEL: This bike does fine at highway speeds in normal conditions. The ONLY time I've had limited power was at 7000 feet above sea level, going up a steep, long highway section, with a headwind. Couldn't go over 60 mph, but that's a limitation of all 300 cc bikes. The X300 has more power than most 300s. On normal roads at normal elevations, the bike does great. I highly recommend the Kawasaki X300 for a general bike and one of the BEST as a normal commuter bike. Light, nimble, great gas mileage - one of the best in class. Highway speeds get less mpg. Reliable, bulletproof and just a joy to ride. There may not be a better, easier to ride commuter bike. And I love the ergonomics, sitting, standing, etc. - but it DOES need a padded seat for anything over an hour (I did one 4 day, out of state trip and really appreciated the Mad Dog ATV seat cover with one inch of foam under it). PLEASE check the RUclips Channel "FORTNINE" for his posts on the X300. Excellent reviews. Good luck! - Geezerwheels.
Good overview of the small ADV bikes. I bought a new CB500X in 2020, and been very pleased with it. Such a fun bike on the pavement, and still has decent capability off-road, when you add a skid plate & crash bars.
Good video. I think Honda’s NC750X deserves a mention even though it’s heavily biased towards roads. They are good on gravel roads and trails, however. Low center of gravity makes them feel light. And, very convenient and comfortable.
I am not a new rider, but I am a new dirt rider. I bought a Honda CRF 300L Rally to learn dirt riding, but I think it would be a great bike for any new rider. It has the lightest clutch pull I have ever felt and a great transmission. This is good because with a very low 1-3 gears you will be shifting A LOT! This is one of the basic skills you need to learn as a new rider, and it doesn't get easier than this. It is not intimidating on either the road or dirt, a greta way to learn both. Finally it is a Honda and very cheap to run, plus you will not outgrow it.
Love my KTM 390 adventure, my first motorcycle. Light enough for learning off road, fast enough for highway speeds. The vibration is not terrible, in 6th gear on the highway it's fine.
I own the Kawasaki x300 for 3 years and I’m very happy. It’s amazing as a daily driver - in heavy traffic it can scotch between cars like a scooter. I’m doing pretty intense off-roading with it - we are going to trips with teneres and I’m keeping up with them most of the time, I’m doing long cruises with it too - around 200 miles and it’s fine (not ideal but fine). So it’s basically a good, chip and reliable all arounder. Very chip to run too
QUESTION: Fuel consumption... with gas going up up up, I think it is really useful to include MPG for these bikes. Yes MPG will change based on rider weight, throttle input, type of riding city or highway.... but generally, all things being equal... what bikes are good MPG, what are so so, and what is going to cost more over the long term. Also... 9 months later... are you going to ride the Versys 300? This is the bike I am MOST interested in. How is it for a daily commuter, getting on and off, stability / maneuverability when lane splitting, and level of capability off road??? I WANT to do 80/20 off road, but in reality I do 80/20 on road, with rock roads, dirt roads, very little trail riding. Lastly how is it for keeping a constant 85/90 mpg on the highway? ALL of his would be GREAT to know. For all the bikes. Plus the differences between duel sport and adventure bikes... these seem vey similar or the same but are they really? SORRY: last thought... cost of service / repair.. is maintaining a KTM or BMW going to cost the same as a Honda or a Kawasaki... how often is service and can it be done DYI or is it dealer only??? Very Important!! Do all these run on regular gas or do some require premium gasoline?
@@rockinrodlittle 8k is nothing for this bike.. it acts very well at 10k too. I’m not saying it’s ideal for highways but it’s fairly fine, much better than Himalayan that’s for sure
We have two of the BMW G310GS bikes fitted with the full Rally Raid kits. They are pretty good as long as you do not need to cruise at above 100 kmh. We get left behind by bigger bikes, but as we use them mainly for camping trips, we are happy to ride slower and enjoy the countryside. The lack of power means that you can’t lift the front wheel quickly to get over obstacles or if you suddenly hit sand or deep gravel, so not ideal for really difficult tracks, but OK for most gravel roads and some less travelled routes. We carry a lot of gear on them!
Man, I'm 67 years old been riding dirt bikes and ATVS for over 35 years, I had a 2020 Versys X300 fun bike but I out grew it quickly, I traded it in for a new 2022 KLR 650, fits me a lot better, plus it's a hoot to ride !
Another great video..I grew up ridding dirt bikes and dual sports..looked into the klr650 and decided to get pre owned and found a great buy 2018 with 3000 highway miles for 4000$ and do not regret my decision
First, great video. I am definitely in the camp of folks that rate small vs mid-size vs full size by weight, not displacement, but I respect that others also have legitimate and potentially more valid opinions. After all, you ride and review bikes for a living, and have ridden a lot more bikes than me! Hell, you could group them all by price, and recommend that beginners buy something cheap, because they are guaranteed to want a different bike after a year or two on their first ADV bike. Either they will love ADV riding and want to upgrade, or at least buy a bike more suited to what they like, or they will dislike ADV riding and need to sell it at a minimum loss. I think any list of bikes that includes a CB500X and 750GS should include a V-Strom 650 XT. With a 32.9” seat height, 19/17 wheels, about 6” suspension travel, 476 pounds, 20l or 5.3galj of fuel for a base price of $9,399. Just my opinion as a totally biased former owner of a 10 year old 2006 Wee Strom. That was my first “ADV”-ish bike, after adding a bash plate and hand guards. Recalling my memories of being a beginner, and layering my experience over that, I have a strong bias towards cheaper, lower and lighter bikes as a rider’s first. Tall people can be less worried about seat height, and power lifters can be less worried about weight, but the number one consideration should be to buy a bike that doesn’t scare you. If you are unable to lift it, or if it represents half your net worth, you are not going to have fun riding off pavement. That would be a shame, because riding off pavement can be a hoot! I am not a complete beginner, but I am currently touring Ecuador on a Himalayan, which has reliably taken me everywhere it was designed to. I only ever had an issue when I tried to flog it down roads that my WR250R would have struggled on, or tried to climb the 4x4 road up the side of a volcano. It is a very basic, heavy and underpowered motorcycle, but I could afford it, the seat height is low, and every small town in South America has a mechanic that is competent to work on it. Except for price, the 310GS, 390ADV, Versys300 and CB500X could all have performed similarly well, and probable each better in some way. The thing about the RE is that I am fearless of breaking stuff. I purchased a bag of levers and pedals for cheap, and just go for it! I am really looking forward to your video on the best used bikes to start ADV riding on. This is where I think almost all people should start. Low financial risk, extensive aftermarket, most used bikes will already have the Barkbusters and bash plates on them, etc. The new bikes are best bought second or third, after experimentation. Just my opinion, YMMV. Cheers!
I really like how the KTM 390 looks....very appealing, and smaller than a 500+. I don't want to do wheelies, or spend a ton of time on a dirt track, but I do want to feel comfortable taking some backroads or dirt, gravel, or a bit gnarly without fear of bottoming out with every bump.
1,000,000 RPM lol that Versys engine would explode and open a black hole at the same time 🤣. I know that was mess up. Probably meant 10k RPM but that had me laughing so hard! Thank you, made my morning.
I got the x300. For dirt roads the suspension and clearance is plenty. If I'm bottoming out I'm going faster than I should be. Fuel milage and tank size is excellent. Easy to strap on alot of gear also. Mine is 2019 non abs. It was 5k out the door. So far no regrets. I got it up to 102 mph on flat ground with those horrible stock tires. I run it without the windshield and it's far better with 50 50 tires.
QUESTION: Fuel consumption... with gas going up up up, I think it is really useful to include MPG for these bikes. Yes MPG will change based on rider weight, throttle input, type of riding city or highway.... but generally, all things being equal... what bikes are good MPG, what are so so, and what is going to cost more over the long term. Also... 9 months later... are you going to ride the Versys 300? This is the bike I am MOST interested in. How is it for a daily commuter, getting on and off, stability / maneuverability when lane splitting, and level of capability off road??? I WANT to do 80/20 off road, but in reality I do 80/20 on road, with rock roads, dirt roads, very little trail riding. Lastly how is it for keeping a constant 85/90 mpg on the highway? ALL of his would be GREAT to know. For all the bikes. Plus the differences between duel sport and adventure bikes... these seem vey similar or the same but are they really? SORRY: last thought... cost of service / repair.. is maintaining a KTM or BMW going to cost the same as a Honda or a Kawasaki... how often is service and can it be done DYI or is it dealer only??? Very Important!! Do all these run on regular gas or do some require premium gasoline?
Been riding a big gs for the last 20 years. Picked up a crf300l rally. Way more fun in the dirt and good on the freeway. Deserves to be in this group. Thanks for all your great videos.
I've been riding a big gs for 22 years. Picked up a crf300l rally and I'm now sold on small adventure bikes. Way more fun. This bike deserves to be in your list. Thanks
Of the ones you listed, that little honda seems like a winner. 150 CCs less than a KLR 650 but 10 more hp. Light, good wind protection, comfortable seat height. Really got me considering it.
Himalayan torque and fuel economy plus confort for the money! perfect secondary hwy bike , Value is hard to beat! Honda CB500X , smooth twin liquid cool engine that also sip fuel... is also a favourite!
I have a G310GS and an F750GS, love them both to DEATH. That little G310GS is amazing for taking to classes and learning things that I don't want to beat up a more expensive bike on. Not the greatest for highway use but it's my favorite camping motorcycle...which may change when I get a Himalayan. For long trips I have my 750 and it's incredible. This was an awesome video!
Greetings from SW Colorado!........I down sized from a bike with 130hp to 40hp. Speaking for myself only, at some point I realized it was more about the 'adventure' and not the bike per say. I grew disenchanted with the unused horsepower and was happy to do away with the extra weight. Less weight meant more freedom for me to adventure deeper. I also believe in simplicity. In this modern world less is more.
I have had the klr 650, rode it Chile an Argentina, its called the cheap adventure motorcycle. Its heavy, big, certainly not for beginners. I now have a Suzuki Freewind, apart from the silly name it is great, can be had for a 1000 dollars. Its light, easy off road and very good on highways and twisties . My best buy, even though I owned 15 motorcycles.
I agreed with all of your pics. But I just think a new rider should never buy new. New riders don't know what's important to them, don't know what kind of riding they will like. IMO a new rider wanting to get into adv riding would be fine buying any bike on your list + CRF250/300 USED. Ride it for a season, see what kind of riding you like best and what you value the most then upgrade to a bike that really fits your riding style while not taking a big depreciation hit. My first street bike was a Ninja 250 thinking I would want sporty bikes. After a season I didn't like the body position, wanted to travel and camp in rural areas and a bit more power. I sold it for exactly what I paid for it and bought a VStrom which I have ridden all over the Western US, Canada and Mexico.
I started my riding career on a Versys X 300. Lovely motorcycle. It can do Highways OK up to 80mph but strained after that. I did some mild dirt roads in CO and it was wonderful. It revs high for power but if you ride sports motorcycles you're familiar with it. A good old-fashioned screamer. If you want a real negative to it, it's the seat. As Ryan F9 pointed out in his review "the hardest seat in the world". Unfortunately I am ready to graduate to something a little more powerful, but I have no regrets on the baby Versys as a starter motorcycle. If only Kawasaki came out with a 400cc version...
QUESTION: Fuel consumption... with gas going up up up, I think it is really useful to include MPG for these bikes. Yes MPG will change based on rider weight, throttle input, type of riding city or highway.... but generally, all things being equal... what bikes are good MPG, what are so so, and what is going to cost more over the long term. Also... 9 months later... are you going to ride the Versys 300? This is the bike I am MOST interested in. How is it for a daily commuter, getting on and off, stability / maneuverability when lane splitting, and level of capability off road??? I WANT to do 80/20 off road, but in reality I do 80/20 on road, with rock roads, dirt roads, very little trail riding. Lastly how is it for keeping a constant 85/90 mpg on the highway? ALL of his would be GREAT to know. For all the bikes. Plus the differences between duel sport and adventure bikes... these seem vey similar or the same but are they really? SORRY: last thought... cost of service / repair.. is maintaining a KTM or BMW going to cost the same as a Honda or a Kawasaki... how often is service and can it be done DYI or is it dealer only??? Very Important!! Do all these run on regular gas or do some require premium gasoline?
For the cost benefit and versatility, it is definitely Versys X300 I've had trail bikes and I was limited in trips, not today, I take any terrain, road, light, strong motorcycle, it works for me.
I'm going for a 2022 KTM 390 Adventure after debating over and over most of bikes listed in this review. The 2022 model has newly designed, stronger cast wheels and a button to switch between off-road and on-road mode. For what you get for the money, I just don't find much out there that beats it.
@@moonflea1923 I waited and waited until late June 2022 for the 2022 models to come in and then gave up because I didn’t want to waste the entire summer. I ended up buying a KTM 890 Adventure instead. It is nice, and I like it. I still wish I had just kept my original plan for the 390. My son has the 390, and it feels so much lighter off-road.
I purchased a new 2022 Himalayan. I'd say your description of the speed WRT a minivan was unfair. It will beat most 4 wheel vehicles in city traffic, but on the highway, you're not going to like or see much above 70mph. With that in mind, I travel mostly roads 65 and below. The Himalayan eats gravel roads for breakfast, even with the stock tires. Additionally, the warranty is 3 years and unlimited mileage. Beats, everybody! Great video, subscribed.
Can’t wait for the Versys 300 review!!! I’m sure you are going to love this bike when you get your hands on it. Thanks for putting out a Great Informative Channel
I thought you were going to dis the G310GS but you saved the best for last. 🙂 I wish BMW made an $8000 version that was 400-450cc for better highway cruising, a 5-6 gallon fuel tank, keep the weight light, and spoke wheels with tubeless tires, aluminum bash plate, crash bars and upgraded suspension. I'd generally like the entire market to stop treating smaller displacement ADV bikes as intro bikes or bikes for the Asian market. I thought I'd like it to be built in Germany but I honestly can't find any complaint about the quality of this bike that was built in India to a budget. I paid $4920 out the door for a new 2019 G310GS just before the 2021 model release, which was a heck of a deal on a bike with a 3 year factory warranty. The 313 cc engine putting out 34 HP in a bike weighing 374 pounds is actually ideal for me even though I'm a big guy. It'll go on the highways but it's wound out. It doesn't seem to mind but it's a bit buzzy and it gets blown around because it doesn't weigh much. I don't mind because in my 60s, I ride secondary roads, gravel roads, dirt roads, and easy off road. The G310GS is perfect for that. The only time I ride highways is when I need to get home and I'm running late after "a little more adventure than I had planned." :-)
@Liberty4Ever - YES YES YES YES ..... I wish BMW made an $8000 version that was 400-450cc (even 500cc) for better highway cruising, a 5-6 gallon fuel tank, keep the weight light, and spoke wheels with tubeless tires, aluminum bash plate, crash bars and upgraded suspension. Com'on BMW - Help us out that have to hit hwy speeds without driving a mosquito.
As an experienced rider used to low clearance fast sport bikes, first bought the NX700 DCT 2015-used and later upgraded to the AT DCT ES 2021. I really like the AT, but glad I started on the NX. Both are have seats low enough for my 5-9 height. The AT would have been way too much bike to begin with. I am glad I started on the NX to learn about the adventure class bikes, the weight balance with luggage and my GF on the back. The NX was definitely not a beginner bike for someone who is new to motorcycles, but I think it is a good bike to transition for those who are interested in trying adventure bikes with enough comfort and power to handle the added weight.
One thing I'd say is buy a bike that matches the riding you Want to do, not necessarily the kind of riding you are doing. My typical split is 90% on-road 10% off-road, but I live in the city and dream of finding the dirt. If I buy a 90/10 bike, the good off-road will be out of reach even when I do find it. I'd say the same for tires. Chase that dream!!!
I agree with all of the comments about the CRF 300 Rally. Because of the fairing and extra fuel capacity, it should definitely be high on this list. Especially if you’re going to include the Himalayan and the KLR. Why encourage beginners to choose such heavy and slow bikes when they can get better performance, both on road (6 speed transmission, decent wind protection, power to weight ratio) and off road in a much lighter package? Honda has deliberately positioned the Rally version as a light weight adventure bike. The L is the real dual sport if you’re excluding that category. For the more off-road biased beginner, the Rally should be at the top of the list.
I’m curious just how much more power the 300 Rally has over its predecessor the 250 Rally. I had the Honda CRF 250L Rally but only kept it for a few months before I sold it. It was too heavy for me as a dirt bike and on the highway it was terrible. I rode it on the highway doing 60 MPH, and after about 30 miles I had decided that there was no way I would ride that bike for any long distance. It was way underpowered and buzzy. Since it was so poor on the dirt with a suspension that would need a lot of work and so poor on-road I sold it. I bought a Husqvarna FE dual-sport for the dirt which was leagues better than the Honda and am now in the market for a small adventure bike that will allow me to cruise the highways and do moderate off-road. I’ve watched a bazillion videos and read forums and think the KTM 390 Adventure fits exactly what I’m looking for and hits the target for what Big Rock’s video is targeted at. I’d classify the 300 Rally more as a dual-sport, and honestly there are bikes like the Husqvarna FE 350, the KTM 500 EXC and the Beta RR lineup that better fit that bill with more power and better suspension.
Hmm, I thought that the whole idea behind an ‘adventure’ bike is to avoid highway riding as much as possible… Get a GoLd Wing to tour on highways, or an ‘adventure touring’ rock on wheels like a BMW 1200GS series (miserably heavy for any real adventure, I know, I was silly enough once to buy one). All the comments about how the CRF300 is not good at 80-90 mph miss the point entirely
@@ArtTheTractor Your comment while accurately assessing things, well illustrates the challenge: Which side of "Adventure / Touring" does one want to Prioritize ? Say "Adventure" = Off Road most important, pavement lesser importance. "Touring" - On Road most important, off road less important. Pick ONE. IF you do, the other aspect will be SO imperfect, it'll probably bug 🪲 you. Or someone else, who'll have the opposite perspective. My (new to me, 2 weeks) 2008 V-Strom 650 - (garaged like new low miless) is very satisfying, but definitely a 75/25 on / off roader. Really too heavy & poorly balanced for serious off road. But, I didn't buy it for that. IF I had dirt roads - off road as a more primary concern, say a 50/50 split, I think the KTM390 or Versys 300x or KLR650 would be more Off Road capible, while hopefully keeping good on road performance. But probably none of those 3 could touch the V-Strom on road performance. Right back to the crux: if your desire & need is variable, can you afford 2 of these bikes with opposing attributes ? So whichever you need on a given day, that's the key you turn ?
I grew up on dirt bikes and dual sports and have had many litre+ sport touring bikes. I got into the ADV seen with a Versys 300X and now own a CB500X. The Versys 300X felt a lot like my old Yamaha XT350. It is light and easy to ride in the dirt. I regret selling it because it was a blast to ride. I highly recommend the Versys 300X and CB500X (CB500X is the more comfortable tourer).
I kind of agree with you about the dual sport vs adv bikes, but I think that the CRF300L Rally version sort of wears both hats in these categories. Also I agree with a previous post on the V-Strom 650 XT. It also should be considered.
@@the.communist I think I disagree. It may not be the best “beginner” bike due to the weight issues you are fair to point out, but for an existing motorcyclist/rider looking to get into adventure riding, and in consideration of the other bikes here, it is one of the best ADV entry units and it should be on this list.
great job Ian and perfect timing...i'm on the ropes, been on the street riding for about 4 seasons and cant pull the trigger on a T7 because of the weight issue and my complete lack of offroad skills. will most likely go for TEAM RED crf rally.
Absolutely love your video. I am from India. I am 6 foot 4 inch. I bought ktm 390 adventure. It costed 4860 US dollars here in India which is tremendous value for money for a bike with quick shifter & auto blipper , cornering abs & MTC feature packed. The only bummer was Adjustable suspension rear & front is missing in Indian models with just WP APEX springs & they get led indicators. It's very light weight & I am happy with my purchase. I am planning to add some mods to make this bike more off road focussed.
Good call on the F750GS. I bought one as my first ADV bike and having not ridden a bike in 8 years (previously rode naked bikes). Probably one of the best everyday bikes you can get. Don't be put off by the power, I've ridden the F900XR with over 100hp and it doesn't feel any slower. The suspension is plush and great for riding around on really bad roads. Been touring on it with my wife a few times, it's great for pillions. Main downsides are its weight, it feels very heavy when it's not moving. I'm over 6'2 so I find it very low (but can always raise bars and seat). Touratech do a good widescreen for it too as the stock one is practically non existant. I wouldn't take it out on anything worse than a gravel trail as it'll be too heavy. +1 on the Himalayan. Got one for my dad for his 70th birthday after (after a 50 year break from biking). First time I went trail riding was on one of these and it's remarkably capable.
Aftermarket and community support should be an important consideration for new riders. From personal experience, I didn't really know what I needed on my first bike but with the help of the KLR forums and aftermarket the bike was able to fit my evolving needs.
I love my Himalayan. It gets me out of any trouble my foolish imagination can think up. However, I love my KTM 390 Adv more. It's lighter, faster, fancier and dog gone it, people like it. ;) Another excellent bit of knowledge Ian. Thanks, S
I had an X300. It was good. It was not exciting. I put it down to torque. Tiring. But a great bike. Not pleasant to pick up. Exhaust and oil filter exposed. I replaced it with the dual-sport most hated by this guy. Love it 😀 Each to their own
Great new video opening with excellent choice of music. Love it! Small ADV bikes are the only ones I would take on any type of serious dirt riding. I agree with your comments about starting on smaller off road bikes. So easy to handle and pick up if dropped.
I have a Dr650 with adventure set up and I love it!! My friend owns the GS 310 adventure and that bike it’s amazing he can do anything I can do it in my DR in the dirt but on the highway it feels like a street bike which is way better and smoother than my bike, I believe is the best value proposition for an adventure rider this price out there, also it doesn’t look like a 310 people believe is a 650!
I would love a DR as want simple and lighter and do it myself valves! 67 and riding 2 DL 1st gen 650/1000. Love em but with heavy dirt background a DR would be awesome ride!
Bought my first adv-style bike after 20+ years of riding. I found that the Tiger 850 fits right in my Goldilocks zone. It's damn light for an 888cc bike (217kg wet), has plenty of grunt for a passenger + luggage at highway speeds, will do 350+km per tank of fuel for long trips, low enough for me to ride it with confidence right out of the showroom, it feels a lot more modern than the de facto Vstrom 650, the t-crank triple soundtrack sounds better than any 180-deg parallel twin.... and where I live it's a hell lot cheaper than BMW's nearest offering.
Love your channel. I'm looking to get an adventure bike. I'm 5'11". 190lbs. It will be my very first bike. I rode dirt bikes, and mini bikes, and quads when I was a teenager. That was over 30 years ago. Lol I just want a bike I can commute to work and take a trip here and there, but also hit that random trail. This video gave me something to think about.
I have a well outfitted 310GS with 7K+ miles of true adventre riding. Suspension is really limited and I am considering upgrading with RallyRaid suspension. A bit of $ but I think it will be worth it.I live near you Ian in San Diego county and I have probably run many of the same trails. Struggled a bit in Colorado all loaded down in the high passes (Cinnamon). Overall I have had a blast on this bike and the most important thing is the confidence I have that if I get in a situation where the terrain is rough, I can flat foot, pick it up if I drop it, etc. I ride solo so this is a huge determining factor. I have owned a well-equipped Gen2 KLR and I really didnt like that HEAVY bike. I found it hard to manage in the dirt, and the well known death wobble was a deal-breaker for me. I own a WR250R and I agreed with your comment that dual-sport rider experience transitioning to adventure riding is helpful. Thanks for the continued superb content.
To the Versys-X: better on road than CRF300Rally (especially with passanger), worse off-road than CRF300Rally. However, adding YSS front fork kit makes itt much better off-road (bottoming out less frequent and less hurtfull) and also on-road. For beginner off-roader it is sufficient with front fork kit. ABS: easy to defeat by putting it on center stand and revving up to 7000RPM. Or removing the ABS fuse.
I concur. with your theory about Kawasaki. I got my Versys X-300 2 years ago and it proved to be awesome bike. It has it's flaws obviously and most of them can be modded out, but took me through 25k of all types of roads and allow me to learn and learn. It's great for anyoe that does not need to burn the rubber but at the same time it offers enough power when and where you need it for small ADV. If not for driving with passenger I would not consider changing it. And I do have a feeling that I will keep it in the garage as 2nd bike for now.
I ride bikes since 90's and after a bunch of different types of them, a few months ago I bought the G310GS 40th years and allow me to say that this little bike rocks. It's not the most powefull, not the best to off-road but... You can do everything you want with it just because it is super confortable, economic and fun to ride. Like you've said, I was tyred of heavy & powerfull bikes which I was always concerned to drop it in a dirty road ( expensive spare parts, ensurance, etc). Now I have 3 years of BMW's ensurance ( the dealer here is awesome ), BMW assistance in whole South America, my private ensurance costs me almost nothing compared to my last F800GS and XTZ Super Teneré 750. In my opinion there's no bad motorcycle, but motorcycles that don't match to your spectation. Cheers from Brazil, buddy.
I will say that I like the way you are categorizing these bikes. I own a CRF300L Rally and I have to agree with others that this bike is kind of a Dual Sport / ADV bike. It is a very tall bike so it is not one for a short beginner rider but for a experienced rider it is a excellent light and more off road ADV bike. I do understand why you classified it as a Dual Sport.
Great video. I like the way you present your information. I have the Versys X300, and despite a few cons, if I had to buy a new one again today, it would still be the X300. Close runner-up would be the Honda CB500X or that KTM390ADV. I will admit I never test drove either of those two, but the more I drive my Kawasaki x300, the more I like it, and the more it impresses me. Thanks for your videos!
QUESTION: Fuel consumption... with gas going up up up, I think it is really useful to include MPG for these bikes. Yes MPG will change based on rider weight, throttle input, type of riding city or highway.... but generally, all things being equal... what bikes are good MPG, what are so so, and what is going to cost more over the long term. Also... 9 months later... are you going to ride the Versys 300? This is the bike I am MOST interested in. How is it for a daily commuter, getting on and off, stability / maneuverability when lane splitting, and level of capability off road??? I WANT to do 80/20 off road, but in reality I do 80/20 on road, with rock roads, dirt roads, very little trail riding. Lastly how is it for keeping a constant 85/90 mpg on the highway? ALL of his would be GREAT to know. For all the bikes. Plus the differences between duel sport and adventure bikes... these seem vey similar or the same but are they really? SORRY: last thought... cost of service / repair.. is maintaining a KTM or BMW going to cost the same as a Honda or a Kawasaki... how often is service and can it be done DYI or is it dealer only??? Very Important!! Do all these run on regular gas or do some require premium gasoline?
Odd thing is that the KTM 890 Adventure S can have a lower seat height than the 390 while having more ground clearance and ofc better horsepower. You gain 77lbs but it's not a bad choice for a beginner's adv, probably not a beginner's bike in general though.
Himalayan in the list but not the crf300l rally is a bit disappointing. The crf300l rally deserves at least a proper review in the channel. I own a v Strom 650 xt by the way and I don't think it is a good begginer bike as I don't think the BMW 750 isn't too. Great channel. Tell us more about the Norden 901.
Been riding a 2020 KTM 390 for 5k so far and it’s been great. Good seat height for me 6ft and great electronics and suspension. The only con would be the high end. I wouldn’t consider it a Hwy machine. Being a single cylinder I don’t feel the vibration is too much an issue
My advice to new adv riders is to go sit on what you think you might like because you might find out different. Test ride if possible. Whatever you purchase, stick with it and ride the wheels off of it. Don't fall for thinking you need to upgrade to a more powerful engine unless of course you have extra money to burn. There will be flaws to pretty much every motorcycle. And lastly, if you think you will be riding quite a bit of dirt and more challenging terrain just get a dualsport that is close to an ADV and suffer some comfort. CRF300L Rally or the legendary DR650.
The KTM 390 ADV is a little pricier than some but it is a fantastic adventure bike with lots of customizability and longevity. Great to learn on and keep rather than just learn and sell
I currently own a Versys X300 for commuting and finding fire roads and flat trails. It handles very well, compared to my MT-07 is feels like a bicycle! I can regularly go 300 miles on a tank 60/70MPG, It's good at cruising between 45-65MPH with decent suspension and brakes. It is a high reving twin from the Ninja 300 with a tooth less on the front sprocket so its constantly screaming. Around 9K at 75mph. And can hit triple digits on a runway. I have 2 problems with this bike, I really like tourqe and a little punch but the Ninja 300 derived engine feels gutless, and the other issue is the clutch. It has a ridiculous light pull "Pinky Finger" light and the engagement point has no feel which is compounded by the engine having 0 low end however it is an Assisted/Slipper. Overall though it's a great package if you plan to do a 80/20 Road/Off-road split.
Don’t forget, there are also LOTS of riders who want a TALL SEAT OPTION ! ….. so would be good to mention if those are options, too, and not just cater to those looking for lower seat heights.
Really good advice. I have over 50 years on dirt bike/ ADV riding and yours is the best videos I have seen on " Which bike for Beginners". For me I would avoid the KTM and BMW ( price and reliability issues in my experience), KLR is too high seat wise and too heavy to learn on, anything with cast wheels is a liability in rocks. If I was doing 90% road / 10 % dirt I would choose the Kawasaki 300, 50 road/50 dirt road the Himalayan, 30% road/ 70 % dirt road and some off road harder stuff the Honda 300 Rally. Having recently sold my Tiger 800 XCx mainly because of the weight issues ( otherwise a great dirt road tourer) I am back riding my much modified DRZ400E. The DRZ400S is a hard to beat package, but seat height is on the high side. That can be reduced about 40 mm/ 2 " with internal changes in the rear shock and slide the forks through the clamps to match. When the DRZ dies I will look at the Himalayan. Being retired means I don't have to get anywhere is a hurry anymore!
Great video Ian. I think you combined a good list for entry level “adventure” bikes. I will certainly recommend this video that has questions about this motorcycle segment.
9:53 cb500x 2022 is 199kg, 2kg more than the previous model. But those 2 kg are still not much as for a new upside down suspension and one more brake disc. And these two extra kilograms can be easily cut by replacing the exhaust, original exhaust weighs 4.2 kg, accessory ones usually under 2 kg. As always great video!
@@1990-t1j Yeah I know, but that's the way it is. In this case it's not even directly due to the class of the motorcycle but its price, cheaper motorcycles are not only cheap because they have small engines. And the power? If you ride without a passenger, it is enough for long distance travels on the back roads. Himalayan has even less power for that weight, but still people buy them and love them. Motorcycle travel is all about the road not the destination. And you don't need 100 horsepower to enjoy the landscapes.
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Hi. What do you think of the SWM 650? Many Thanks
One milion RPM? 😂🤣😂
I really think the crf 300 rally should be on that list, it truly is a great bike.
The only problem is the height. Too tall for beginners. Otherwise it is a great dual sport bike.
I'm very happy with my G310GS but that CRF300 Rally has caught my eye. The 3.8 gallon tank isn't bad but Honda should give it a 5+ gallon tank and make it in black or gray instead of Honda racing red.
Crf250l was my first
@@Liberty4Ever l
It's a dualsport, not strictly adventure bike.
I owned a 2013 V-strom650 for 3 years and 32,000 miles. I dare say it's a better mid sized adventure bike than anything on this list. Just enough power to keep it interesting, but not overwhelming for a beginner. Arguably more reliable with lower ongoing costs than anything on this list. I rode mine enthusiastically, occasionally at triple digit speeds, lots of gravel forest roads, countless days over 350 miles. It's fuel injected, 6 gears, long range with good mileage and a large fuel tank, one of the highest cargo capacities of any bike, good wind and weather protection, good 2up, smooth engine and transmission, comfortable, easy and inexpensive to maintain. I am a very big guy (6'4" 255#), the weight and height of the V-strom were never an issue for me. I loved my KLR650, but at 80mph it got blown around and was about tapped out. The KLR650 felt like a toy compared to the V-strom650 on the freeway. If you're over 5'10" and shopping adventure bikes, not dual sport, the V-strom should be at the top of your list. No it's not for hardcore dirt riding but it's fantastic for exploring gravel forest service roads and long days on the highway or playing on backroads.
*your experience may vary. I'm on a Super Tenere now for shaft drive, electronic suspension and cruise control.
Cheers 🍻 to you comments. Agree 💯.
I've had both machines also and would definitely purchase another WeeStrom.
The KLR,, hell no!
Slug on the Road, but better offroad.
Coincidentally I have an 012 S10 also but no ES or cruise 🤷♂️.
A wonderful Mile Muncher. 😋
I have two V-Stroms 650+1000 first gens. Love em to hell and back! 5"8 165 lbs.
@@l.a.raustadt518 ,,
so 🤔, which one is your preference??
@@l.a.raustadt518 Perfect! Gravel slinging mountain climber and a 2up highway mile muncher. They are truly fantastic bikes.
Hi Todd ,thanks for the article.Tell me whats a good long distance bike for a beginner 170cm height 70 kg weight .Thanks Bro.
The Suzuki Vstrom always flies under the radar. I would consider it as capable as any of these bikes when on paved roads and it is arguably just as capable off road as several of these. Inexpensive, reliable, as easy to work on. A great community of StromTroopers to assist in maintaining the bike is a KLR-like experience as well. Sure it’s pretty heavy at 470lbs, but it’s powerful at 70hp (69nm torque). With a seat height of 32.7” it is a very approachable bike. Its budget friendly, powerful, and more highway ready than several of these you mentioned. I think it’s a good entry level adventure touring bike with lots of upside. No Suzuki love even on Valentine’s Day… staying under the radar again I guess VStromers!!!
I don't know if the Honda Transalp is sold in the US, but after thinking about buying a V-Strom for months, I went for a used '09 Transalp 700 (4000€). According to my research they're quite similar in capability, though the Transalp 700 has less power (60bhp), but I think it's a midge lighter, and also cheaper. Both solid options that I indeed don't see mentionned very often.
@@qohenleth4472 The Transalp is no longer sold here in the USA. It was only sold for a couple of years in the late 1980s. I bought one new around 1990 or so. It was a 1989 that had been sitting on the floor of the dealership with no takers. I bought it and it’s a great bike. It’s featured in another RUclips channel by Pedro Mota. With a few small upgrades, it a very capable ADV bike.
VStrom is a good bike but it is a borderline ADV bike due to its suspension travel.
@@micaKTM1290 ,, very true. Definitely more road biased unfortunately.
👋 hey,,
Vstrom 650 PO.
I Throughly enjoyed the bike,, although it is a more Road biased machine.
Skid plate is required for anything off pavement.
Its reliable as an Anvil with enough power for serious touring. I had the Adventure model with crash(BUZZZY)bars and the hard panniers.
Rode it all over the western states and never had one mechanical issue.
And honestly,
I would gladly
purchase another.
Ride safe🙏 everyone.
What a coincidence you just made this video. I am an experienced rider on/off road. I just bought myself last week a versys x 300 for an unconventional adv build. I bought a 2017 with 1900 miles. Parts on the way, seat concepts tall seat, full skid plate, crash bars, shinko 804/805, led pods, unbreakable levers etc. Total build price finished will be under $5k. With fuel mpg/range there's alot of room for adventure to be had at this price.
I purchased the CRF300 Rally and think it should have its own class Adventure/Dual Sport. The fairing and windshield function perfectly for road trips yet its dual sport DNA can rip any trail if you're so inclined. Not really a highway bike but it's way more comfortable than any dual sport on the road that I have experience with. I did upgrade the suspension and customize the bike for my wants and needs. I love your channel!
@@jonlough3074 Tall winshields make bike very unstable at higher speeds. I had one on my cb500x. After miserable wind experience on 2000 miles trip, I took it off and never thought of it again.
@@jonlough3074 I'm 5'9" with the stock shield so you may want to upgrade or get an extension that clips to the factory shield. Never had a need for a tall shield so I don't know how it affects stability or buffeting.
Man, I have the new KLR, I put on a adjustable wind deflector that clamps on to the top of the stock windscreen, works great !
I agree with what you say but I think the CRF Rally is a dual sport, not an ADV. There used to be a clear difference between ADV and dual sports, but I see nowadays dual sports and ADVs are thought to be the same. Any dual sport is going to be better than an ADV off-road (especially the CRF, that one is amazing, albeit a bit tall), but ADV is not only about off-road, ADVs have been the modern UJM for so many years, why should we judge them solely for their off-road capabilities now?
I got a 300 Rally.I added the $25 windshield extension that clamps on. Works wonderful for directing the wind buffering over your head. I was truly shocked at how well it worked!
My little brother started on a 2017 Versys-X 300, and I *WISH* I had access to that as a first bike.
Its small enough to toss around trails, but large enough that cruising at 75 on the freeway is no problem.
For the price it is a fantastically capable machine, highly recommend.
true those feel more stable , I think its because of that big front upper part that makes it more stable .
I didn’t start riding motorcycles until I was 52 years old.. bought a 2016 KLR 650.. dropped it the brand new bike the first day I got it.. I learned so much on that bike.. 20k miles on it now .. absolutely no problems except the electric fan I wrecked in one of my drops before I put on the motor guard. I replaced the doohickey also just because it was recommended.. I learned a lot on this bike and built confidence.. just put a down payment on a 1250Harley
Pan America Special .. but I’m keeping my KLR forever
For me, the CB500X and Versys 300 are the top picks (rider size and cost being the deciding factors). Incredible reliability and long (500km) fuel range are top priorities for me in the back country which these two meet. The 500X did get suspension and brake upgrades this year which should make it even better. Every bike has compromises and you need to determine which characteristics you want to prioritize. I'm hoping we'll see more small to midsize adventure bikes as even at nearly 6ft tall, I find most of them feel massive.
I would get mad listening single cylinder noise. CB500X is a great option.
I own a Versys 300 and I love it. I got to ride the CB500x and would love to own that one too. 👍
So wanted to add my own personal perspective. I started out my motorcycling with a Honda CB500X. Its a fantastic bike. For a new rider actually still feels a bit heavy but manageable. from there i upgraded to a BMWF700GS. Felt about the same as the honda weight wise (low tank = low center of gravity) but also a heavy bike. Then I purchased a Tiger 900 RP, which I still have. I've taken both the Tiger and the BMW F700 offroad and they are both ok but heavy. I'm not an overly experienced offroad rider and I'd say that your list is heading in the right direction. I recently added a BMW G310GS with full Rally Raid treatment. This bike was transformed by the RR kit, but even without it, looking back at my choices now I should have started with something lighter like the 310GS. I now feel like through a lot of trial and error, I have the right solution - the Tiger is great for longer trips, mostly road, and easier off road sections. As soon as it gets technical it can get downright intimidating. The BMW G310GS Rally Raid inspires so much more confidence, its great offroad, and it does well enough on the hwy to get me to where I want to go.
I think the bike Itchy Boots is riding(CRF300Rally) in her current videos going from South America to Alaska should be included.
I agree 100% but it’s a dual sport with an adventure trim. He defined ADV bikes in the beginning of the video.
He said in the beginning he's not doing dual sports
FWIW, Itchy Boots started her adventure on a Royal Enfield Himalayan from India to Indonesia to Oman and around Europe to the Netherlands. Her second bike, also a Himalayan
she rode from Argentina to Ushuaia north to Ecuador when she was stopped by COVID. Her current bike, the CRF300 has shown to be a great bike from Ecuador to Mexico on her current trip.
Except that a good dual sport makes a better adventure bike than many so called adventure bikes that are as heavy as touring bikes or cruisers…
@@ArtTheTractor I agree. I recently went fireroad riding and dropped my KTM 890 Adventure R 3 times. It’s extremely difficult, at my age(62), to pick up. The last drop the seat was facing down hill and I couldn’t pick it up. Fortunately I had a friend with me. I think I’m going to try and get a bike in the 250-350lbs range maybe a KTM 500 Exc-f. I’m just concerned about the reliability. I primarily bought the 890 for BDR’s so can the 500 do that job, not sure?
Yes I listened to your caveat about picking strictly "ADV" bikes, HOWEVER I will also cast my vote for the CRF300L Rally.
Very capable offroad, easily does 70mph in comfort all day on the highway, big fuel tank, decent wind protection, and it's CHEAP to operate insure & maintain (and purchase, usually).
Sure it has some cons, don't they all - but for a beginner (a taller one, granted) it's a really valid choice - much moreso than the big GS IMO (and I put 95,000km on an F800GS and 65,000km on an F650GS). I'd happily ride the 300 anywhere on the planet, I'll never go back to the big ADV's.
Love my 2020 X300. Simple front sprocket change, bike hums at 70mph and still gets over 55 MPG. .
One million RPMs !
by how much did the front sprocket change the rpms at speed?
@@KF1Roughly 600 or 700. At 70mph, its at just under 8000 . I only drove it a few miles new before changing the sprocket. I wanted the highway to break it in faster without strain.
@@govinda102000 thanks! I'm thinking of this as my first bike. Glad to hear you enjoy it
Can't say enough good about the Versys X-300. I got one for my daughter and can ride it any time I like (if she's not riding it!). Riding it convinced me I didn't need a KLR any more, because it will do anything a KLR will do and do it easier. Yeah, not as much suspension travel, but the suspension it does have isn't as mushy. It's not as smooth on the dirt and gravel roads, but it has more feel and less heft, making it more confidence inspiring. I'd recommend it over the KLR. The only thing I think the KLR has going for it over the X-300 is maybe slightly easier servicing (valve adjustment being the main thing, if you're doing it yourself) and the larger road presence when riding in urban or suburban traffic.
Big heavy bikes like klr arent beginners friendly
@@the.communist agreed. I think a lot of commenters on this video are missing that in the title. If you are a beginner or someone who isn’t 6’4” and 200+ lbs then bikes like the KLR650 and VStrom are too much to handle. They certainly have their place, but not in the category Ian is trying to outline in his video.
I have the Versys x and love it. Proper tires make it incredible on dirt and fire roads. Nimble on the twisties. The klr is just too big and clumsy for most adventure riding.
Man, nice I had a 2020 Versys X300 fun bike, but a out grew it quickly, traded it in for a new 2022 KLR650, it's a hoot to ride !
I have two gen2 klr. I really like the looks of the 3rd gen, the versys 300, and the cb500x. If I had room for a whack of bikes, I'd have one of each. KLe500, a Dominator, a TransAlp. I really like the new Tiger Sport 660.✌😄
Thank you for the excellent video and I'm glad you included my Kawasaki Versys X-300. I bought my Versys in September 2020 brand new. I put 5400 miles on it in two years. Just two weeks ago, because of fuel prices, I decided to ride it from my home in Tucson AZ to Modesto CA. I had only been on the Interstates a couple of times in the past mostly sticking to AZ State highways. I was pleasantly surprised at my X-300's performance. It was traveling mostly between speeds of 68 and 78 mph. Smooth as silk and with my 4.5-gallon tank I had a range of well over 200 miles, though I refilled at an average of 160 miles taking only 2.5 gallons at the pump. This motorcycle on my first overnight trip exceeded my expectations. I am only 5'4' and the seat height was a big factor when I bought it. I covered 1742 miles on this trip. I can only sing the Kawasaki's praises. This is the perfect bike for me and I am glad I bought it.
Another great vid, Ian!!! I have owned a Versys X300 for several years and still love this little machine. I have added T-Rex crash bars and skid plate (very tough - happy with them). Also lowered the foot pegs one inch and added 2 inch Rox pivoting bar risers (I stand a lot and at 6'3" these mods are a game changer). Also added Givi luggage racks and wider foot pegs. I've ridded a number of Jeep trails where I live in SW Colorado and also part of the TransAmeria trail, even Ophir Pass, on the X300. Yes, the suspension is limited, but slower speeds and standing solve most of that (and I weigh 210 lbs). Highway at 75 mph is not a problem, just not much passing power left at that speed. I added Mitas E07 tires and it does surprisingly well on some steep, dirt hills. I own and ride a Husaberg FE390 for serious dirt, and a 2017 Vstrom 650XT for more travel oriented work. Thought I might sell the X300 after buying the Vstrom, but it's such a balanced bike that handles so well I chose to keep it. ALSO, I routinely get over 70 mpg around the county roads and I easily get over 300 mile range. RUclipsr Ryan Fortnine in Canada loves this bike -- one of the best in its size, power, price range. Thanks for including it, hope you get to ride one soon.
Husageezer (I'm 73!).
Man, nice I had a 2020 Versys X300 great bike, but I traded it in for the new 2022 KLR650, it fits me better, and it's a hoot to ride !
@@markcollins5026 WEIRD - one of my best friends in Colorado is "Mark Collins" - at first I thought you were him! (He rides TW200 in serious back country here is SW Colorado.) I have other friends who ride KLR 650s and love them. I rode one once for about 5 minutes in town - nice ride.
QUESTION: Fuel consumption... with gas going up up up, I think it is really useful to include MPG for these bikes. Yes MPG will change based on rider weight, throttle input, type of riding city or highway.... but generally, all things being equal... what bikes are good MPG, what are so so, and what is going to cost more over the long term. Also... 9 months later... are you going to ride the Versys 300? This is the bike I am MOST interested in. How is it for a daily commuter, getting on and off, stability / maneuverability when lane splitting, and level of capability off road??? I WANT to do 80/20 off road, but in reality I do 80/20 on road, with rock roads, dirt roads, very little trail riding. Lastly how is it for keeping a constant 85/90 mpg on the highway? ALL of his would be GREAT to know. For all the bikes. Plus the differences between duel sport and adventure bikes... these seem vey similar or the same but are they really? SORRY: last thought... cost of service / repair.. is maintaining a KTM or BMW going to cost the same as a Honda or a Kawasaki... how often is service and can it be done DYI or is it dealer only??? Very Important!! Do all these run on regular gas or do some require premium gasoline?
@@reedkelly6145 Great questions, Reed. My mileage averages 70 - 73 mpg. I am 74 years old and ride pretty conservatively. My average trip is to Durango, CO from 13 miles out of town - 5 miles on gravel county roads then 8 on pavement to get to town. I run Mitas E07 tires and love them. This bike will NOT get 85-90 miles per gallon. But riding at 45 miles per hour, it will get over 70 if ridden conservatively. HANDLING: This bike handles like a DREAM! Very maneuverable at any speed. Tight curves or long sweepers are all just easy. In town traffic handling is also very easy - handles like a sport bike, feels light and nimble. I have the anti-lock brakes - highly recommended, works like a dream. Stops VERY well and I've never locked up a tire, front or back, even under heavy braking. MAINTENANCE and RELIABILITY: I've had mine for over 3 years - zero problems, just change the oil. This is a very reliable bike in every respect. The 300cc engine is sourced from the Ninja 300 race bike and is basically bulletproof. High RPM is by design and won't hurt this engine - and I will run on regular gas, but I always use non-ethanol 90 octane gas in my bikes. They sit for months through the Colorado winters and ethanol gas gums up over time. I think the book calls for 89 octane (mid-grade where I live). Lower elevations call for higher octane in general. So if you live near sea level, stick with 89 octane, which is probably regular gas. SERVICE INTERVAL: I change the oil every 3,300 miles (that's easy to track, 3300, 6600 and 10,000 on the clock). OFF-ROAD PERFORMANCE. I ride quite a few Jeep Trails in SW Colorado, works great. Really Rocky Mountain passes are doable, just go slow and remember the limiting factor is fork and shock travel (I weigh 215lbs). Regular forest service roads are no problem at all. HIGHWAY TRAVEL: This bike does fine at highway speeds in normal conditions. The ONLY time I've had limited power was at 7000 feet above sea level, going up a steep, long highway section, with a headwind. Couldn't go over 60 mph, but that's a limitation of all 300 cc bikes. The X300 has more power than most 300s. On normal roads at normal elevations, the bike does great. I highly recommend the Kawasaki X300 for a general bike and one of the BEST as a normal commuter bike. Light, nimble, great gas mileage - one of the best in class. Highway speeds get less mpg. Reliable, bulletproof and just a joy to ride. There may not be a better, easier to ride commuter bike. And I love the ergonomics, sitting, standing, etc. - but it DOES need a padded seat for anything over an hour (I did one 4 day, out of state trip and really appreciated the Mad Dog ATV seat cover with one inch of foam under it). PLEASE check the RUclips Channel "FORTNINE" for his posts on the X300. Excellent reviews. Good luck! - Geezerwheels.
@@GeezerWheels BEST REPLY EVER!!
I have a 2016 CB500X. Filled up last night. 277 miles. Took 3.34 gallons. Works out to 82 miles per gallon.
Good overview of the small ADV bikes. I bought a new CB500X in 2020, and been very pleased with it. Such a fun bike on the pavement, and still has decent capability off-road, when you add a skid plate & crash bars.
I have had four BMW’s and loved them. I am now 76 years old and have a new Royal Enfield Himalayan. I don’t think I smiled this much on the BMW’s!
Good video. I think Honda’s NC750X deserves a mention even though it’s heavily biased towards roads. They are good on gravel roads and trails, however. Low center of gravity makes them feel light. And, very convenient and comfortable.
Def not
I am not a new rider, but I am a new dirt rider. I bought a Honda CRF 300L Rally to learn dirt riding, but I think it would be a great bike for any new rider. It has the lightest clutch pull I have ever felt and a great transmission. This is good because with a very low 1-3 gears you will be shifting A LOT! This is one of the basic skills you need to learn as a new rider, and it doesn't get easier than this. It is not intimidating on either the road or dirt, a greta way to learn both. Finally it is a Honda and very cheap to run, plus you will not outgrow it.
BTW, great video and channel, thank you.
Love my KTM 390 adventure, my first motorcycle. Light enough for learning off road, fast enough for highway speeds. The vibration is not terrible, in 6th gear on the highway it's fine.
I own the Kawasaki x300 for 3 years and I’m very happy. It’s amazing as a daily driver - in heavy traffic it can scotch between cars like a scooter. I’m doing pretty intense off-roading with it - we are going to trips with teneres and I’m keeping up with them most of the time, I’m doing long cruises with it too - around 200 miles and it’s fine (not ideal but fine).
So it’s basically a good, chip and reliable all arounder.
Very chip to run too
QUESTION: Fuel consumption... with gas going up up up, I think it is really useful to include MPG for these bikes. Yes MPG will change based on rider weight, throttle input, type of riding city or highway.... but generally, all things being equal... what bikes are good MPG, what are so so, and what is going to cost more over the long term. Also... 9 months later... are you going to ride the Versys 300? This is the bike I am MOST interested in. How is it for a daily commuter, getting on and off, stability / maneuverability when lane splitting, and level of capability off road??? I WANT to do 80/20 off road, but in reality I do 80/20 on road, with rock roads, dirt roads, very little trail riding. Lastly how is it for keeping a constant 85/90 mpg on the highway? ALL of his would be GREAT to know. For all the bikes. Plus the differences between duel sport and adventure bikes... these seem vey similar or the same but are they really? SORRY: last thought... cost of service / repair.. is maintaining a KTM or BMW going to cost the same as a Honda or a Kawasaki... how often is service and can it be done DYI or is it dealer only??? Very Important!! Do all these run on regular gas or do some require premium gasoline?
My riding buddy has one and will never get on a highway as it revs 8000 rpm at 100 kmphs.
@@rockinrodlittle 8k is nothing for this bike..
it acts very well at 10k too.
I’m not saying it’s ideal for highways but it’s fairly fine, much better than Himalayan that’s for sure
My buddy is old like me (lol). He gets pain in his hands from the revs.
We have two of the BMW G310GS bikes fitted with the full Rally Raid kits. They are pretty good as long as you do not need to cruise at above 100 kmh. We get left behind by bigger bikes, but as we use them mainly for camping trips, we are happy to ride slower and enjoy the countryside. The lack of power means that you can’t lift the front wheel quickly to get over obstacles or if you suddenly hit sand or deep gravel, so not ideal for really difficult tracks, but OK for most gravel roads and some less travelled routes. We carry a lot of gear on them!
Man, I'm 67 years old been riding dirt bikes and ATVS for over 35 years, I had a 2020 Versys X300 fun bike but I out grew it quickly, I traded it in for a new 2022 KLR 650, fits me a lot better, plus it's a hoot to ride !
Another great video..I grew up ridding dirt bikes and dual sports..looked into the klr650 and decided to get pre owned and found a great buy 2018 with 3000 highway miles for 4000$ and do not regret my decision
80 with the wind at your back downhill after being dropped from an airplane. Dry delivery points a solid 10/10. Well played bud!,,
First, great video. I am definitely in the camp of folks that rate small vs mid-size vs full size by weight, not displacement, but I respect that others also have legitimate and potentially more valid opinions. After all, you ride and review bikes for a living, and have ridden a lot more bikes than me!
Hell, you could group them all by price, and recommend that beginners buy something cheap, because they are guaranteed to want a different bike after a year or two on their first ADV bike. Either they will love ADV riding and want to upgrade, or at least buy a bike more suited to what they like, or they will dislike ADV riding and need to sell it at a minimum loss.
I think any list of bikes that includes a CB500X and 750GS should include a V-Strom 650 XT. With a 32.9” seat height, 19/17 wheels, about 6” suspension travel, 476 pounds, 20l or 5.3galj of fuel for a base price of $9,399. Just my opinion as a totally biased former owner of a 10 year old 2006 Wee Strom. That was my first “ADV”-ish bike, after adding a bash plate and hand guards.
Recalling my memories of being a beginner, and layering my experience over that, I have a strong bias towards cheaper, lower and lighter bikes as a rider’s first. Tall people can be less worried about seat height, and power lifters can be less worried about weight, but the number one consideration should be to buy a bike that doesn’t scare you. If you are unable to lift it, or if it represents half your net worth, you are not going to have fun riding off pavement. That would be a shame, because riding off pavement can be a hoot!
I am not a complete beginner, but I am currently touring Ecuador on a Himalayan, which has reliably taken me everywhere it was designed to. I only ever had an issue when I tried to flog it down roads that my WR250R would have struggled on, or tried to climb the 4x4 road up the side of a volcano. It is a very basic, heavy and underpowered motorcycle, but I could afford it, the seat height is low, and every small town in South America has a mechanic that is competent to work on it.
Except for price, the 310GS, 390ADV, Versys300 and CB500X could all have performed similarly well, and probable each better in some way. The thing about the RE is that I am fearless of breaking stuff. I purchased a bag of levers and pedals for cheap, and just go for it!
I am really looking forward to your video on the best used bikes to start ADV riding on. This is where I think almost all people should start. Low financial risk, extensive aftermarket, most used bikes will already have the Barkbusters and bash plates on them, etc. The new bikes are best bought second or third, after experimentation.
Just my opinion, YMMV.
Cheers!
I really like how the KTM 390 looks....very appealing, and smaller than a 500+. I don't want to do wheelies, or spend a ton of time on a dirt track, but I do want to feel comfortable taking some backroads or dirt, gravel, or a bit gnarly without fear of bottoming out with every bump.
1,000,000 RPM lol that Versys engine would explode and open a black hole at the same time 🤣.
I know that was mess up. Probably meant 10k RPM but that had me laughing so hard! Thank you, made my morning.
I got the x300. For dirt roads the suspension and clearance is plenty. If I'm bottoming out I'm going faster than I should be. Fuel milage and tank size is excellent. Easy to strap on alot of gear also. Mine is 2019 non abs. It was 5k out the door. So far no regrets. I got it up to 102 mph on flat ground with those horrible stock tires. I run it without the windshield and it's far better with 50 50 tires.
QUESTION: Fuel consumption... with gas going up up up, I think it is really useful to include MPG for these bikes. Yes MPG will change based on rider weight, throttle input, type of riding city or highway.... but generally, all things being equal... what bikes are good MPG, what are so so, and what is going to cost more over the long term. Also... 9 months later... are you going to ride the Versys 300? This is the bike I am MOST interested in. How is it for a daily commuter, getting on and off, stability / maneuverability when lane splitting, and level of capability off road??? I WANT to do 80/20 off road, but in reality I do 80/20 on road, with rock roads, dirt roads, very little trail riding. Lastly how is it for keeping a constant 85/90 mpg on the highway? ALL of his would be GREAT to know. For all the bikes. Plus the differences between duel sport and adventure bikes... these seem vey similar or the same but are they really? SORRY: last thought... cost of service / repair.. is maintaining a KTM or BMW going to cost the same as a Honda or a Kawasaki... how often is service and can it be done DYI or is it dealer only??? Very Important!! Do all these run on regular gas or do some require premium gasoline?
Been riding a big gs for the last 20 years. Picked up a crf300l rally. Way more fun in the dirt and good on the freeway. Deserves to be in this group. Thanks for all your great videos.
I've been riding a big gs for 22 years. Picked up a crf300l rally and I'm now sold on small adventure bikes. Way more fun. This bike deserves to be in your list. Thanks
Of the ones you listed, that little honda seems like a winner. 150 CCs less than a KLR 650 but 10 more hp. Light, good wind protection, comfortable seat height. Really got me considering it.
Himalayan torque and fuel economy plus confort for the money! perfect secondary hwy bike , Value is hard to beat! Honda CB500X , smooth twin liquid cool engine that also sip fuel... is also a favourite!
I have a G310GS and an F750GS, love them both to DEATH. That little G310GS is amazing for taking to classes and learning things that I don't want to beat up a more expensive bike on. Not the greatest for highway use but it's my favorite camping motorcycle...which may change when I get a Himalayan. For long trips I have my 750 and it's incredible. This was an awesome video!
Hello !
Why would that change after getting a Himalayan ? 🧐
Greetings from SW Colorado!........I down sized from a bike with 130hp to 40hp. Speaking for myself only, at some point I realized it was more about the 'adventure' and not the bike per say. I grew disenchanted with the unused horsepower and was happy to do away with the extra weight. Less weight meant more freedom for me to adventure deeper. I also believe in simplicity. In this modern world less is more.
My beginner ADV was a suzuki DR650 then I upgraded to a 2022 ktm 890 adventure. Love the bike even with all its beginning issues...
I have had the klr 650, rode it Chile an Argentina, its called the cheap adventure motorcycle. Its heavy, big, certainly not for beginners. I now have a Suzuki Freewind, apart from the silly name it is great, can be had for a 1000 dollars. Its light, easy off road and very good on highways and twisties . My best buy, even though I owned 15 motorcycles.
I agreed with all of your pics. But I just think a new rider should never buy new. New riders don't know what's important to them, don't know what kind of riding they will like. IMO a new rider wanting to get into adv riding would be fine buying any bike on your list + CRF250/300 USED. Ride it for a season, see what kind of riding you like best and what you value the most then upgrade to a bike that really fits your riding style while not taking a big depreciation hit.
My first street bike was a Ninja 250 thinking I would want sporty bikes. After a season I didn't like the body position, wanted to travel and camp in rural areas and a bit more power. I sold it for exactly what I paid for it and bought a VStrom which I have ridden all over the Western US, Canada and Mexico.
I started my riding career on a Versys X 300. Lovely motorcycle. It can do Highways OK up to 80mph but strained after that. I did some mild dirt roads in CO and it was wonderful. It revs high for power but if you ride sports motorcycles you're familiar with it. A good old-fashioned screamer.
If you want a real negative to it, it's the seat. As Ryan F9 pointed out in his review "the hardest seat in the world".
Unfortunately I am ready to graduate to something a little more powerful, but I have no regrets on the baby Versys as a starter motorcycle. If only Kawasaki came out with a 400cc version...
QUESTION: Fuel consumption... with gas going up up up, I think it is really useful to include MPG for these bikes. Yes MPG will change based on rider weight, throttle input, type of riding city or highway.... but generally, all things being equal... what bikes are good MPG, what are so so, and what is going to cost more over the long term. Also... 9 months later... are you going to ride the Versys 300? This is the bike I am MOST interested in. How is it for a daily commuter, getting on and off, stability / maneuverability when lane splitting, and level of capability off road??? I WANT to do 80/20 off road, but in reality I do 80/20 on road, with rock roads, dirt roads, very little trail riding. Lastly how is it for keeping a constant 85/90 mpg on the highway? ALL of his would be GREAT to know. For all the bikes. Plus the differences between duel sport and adventure bikes... these seem vey similar or the same but are they really? SORRY: last thought... cost of service / repair.. is maintaining a KTM or BMW going to cost the same as a Honda or a Kawasaki... how often is service and can it be done DYI or is it dealer only??? Very Important!! Do all these run on regular gas or do some require premium gasoline?
For the cost benefit and versatility, it is definitely Versys X300
I've had trail bikes and I was limited in trips, not today, I take any terrain, road, light, strong motorcycle, it works for me.
I have ridden all of them and choose the KTM 390 ADV, in my opinion the best bike for fun, freaky and very good torque.
I'm going for a 2022 KTM 390 Adventure after debating over and over most of bikes listed in this review. The 2022 model has newly designed, stronger cast wheels and a button to switch between off-road and on-road mode. For what you get for the money, I just don't find much out there that beats it.
Did you get the ktm 390? Has it been reliable? I'm really leaning more towards that bike.
@@moonflea1923 I waited and waited until late June 2022 for the 2022 models to come in and then gave up because I didn’t want to waste the entire summer. I ended up buying a KTM 890 Adventure instead. It is nice, and I like it. I still wish I had just kept my original plan for the 390. My son has the 390, and it feels so much lighter off-road.
I purchased a new 2022 Himalayan. I'd say your description of the speed WRT a minivan was unfair. It will beat most 4 wheel vehicles in city traffic, but on the highway, you're not going to like or see much above 70mph. With that in mind, I travel mostly roads 65 and below. The Himalayan eats gravel roads for breakfast, even with the stock tires. Additionally, the warranty is 3 years and unlimited mileage. Beats, everybody!
Great video, subscribed.
Can’t wait for the Versys 300 review!!! I’m sure you are going to love this bike when you get your hands on it. Thanks for putting out a Great Informative Channel
Problem is lack of any torque
@@the.communist Not really a problem. Just rev the engine. Keep stock gearing if doing lots of dirt roads
I thought you were going to dis the G310GS but you saved the best for last. 🙂
I wish BMW made an $8000 version that was 400-450cc for better highway cruising, a 5-6 gallon fuel tank, keep the weight light, and spoke wheels with tubeless tires, aluminum bash plate, crash bars and upgraded suspension. I'd generally like the entire market to stop treating smaller displacement ADV bikes as intro bikes or bikes for the Asian market. I thought I'd like it to be built in Germany but I honestly can't find any complaint about the quality of this bike that was built in India to a budget. I paid $4920 out the door for a new 2019 G310GS just before the 2021 model release, which was a heck of a deal on a bike with a 3 year factory warranty.
The 313 cc engine putting out 34 HP in a bike weighing 374 pounds is actually ideal for me even though I'm a big guy. It'll go on the highways but it's wound out. It doesn't seem to mind but it's a bit buzzy and it gets blown around because it doesn't weigh much. I don't mind because in my 60s, I ride secondary roads, gravel roads, dirt roads, and easy off road. The G310GS is perfect for that. The only time I ride highways is when I need to get home and I'm running late after "a little more adventure than I had planned." :-)
@Liberty4Ever - YES YES YES YES ..... I wish BMW made an $8000 version that was 400-450cc (even 500cc) for better highway cruising, a 5-6 gallon fuel tank, keep the weight light, and spoke wheels with tubeless tires, aluminum bash plate, crash bars and upgraded suspension. Com'on BMW - Help us out that have to hit hwy speeds without driving a mosquito.
Well done video…I have a RE Himalayan and your comments are right on …I also have a Honda NC750X .. keep up the good
work supporting our sport..
I just bought the Versys-X 300 ABS. Great bike. I like the riding position. Comfy for me.
As an experienced rider used to low clearance fast sport bikes, first bought the NX700 DCT 2015-used and later upgraded to the AT DCT ES 2021. I really like the AT, but glad I started on the NX. Both are have seats low enough for my 5-9 height. The AT would have been way too much bike to begin with. I am glad I started on the NX to learn about the adventure class bikes, the weight balance with luggage and my GF on the back. The NX was definitely not a beginner bike for someone who is new to motorcycles, but I think it is a good bike to transition for those who are interested in trying adventure bikes with enough comfort and power to handle the added weight.
Thank you Ian. It's been 40+ years since I played with an XL500 Honda. This clears up a lot of confusion for me in the current market.
One thing I'd say is buy a bike that matches the riding you Want to do, not necessarily the kind of riding you are doing. My typical split is 90% on-road 10% off-road, but I live in the city and dream of finding the dirt. If I buy a 90/10 bike, the good off-road will be out of reach even when I do find it. I'd say the same for tires.
Chase that dream!!!
I agree with all of the comments about the CRF 300 Rally. Because of the fairing and extra fuel capacity, it should definitely be high on this list. Especially if you’re going to include the Himalayan and the KLR. Why encourage beginners to choose such heavy and slow bikes when they can get better performance, both on road (6 speed transmission, decent wind protection, power to weight ratio) and off road in a much lighter package? Honda has deliberately positioned the Rally version as a light weight adventure bike. The L is the real dual sport if you’re excluding that category. For the more off-road biased beginner, the Rally should be at the top of the list.
I’m curious just how much more power the 300 Rally has over its predecessor the 250 Rally. I had the Honda CRF 250L Rally but only kept it for a few months before I sold it. It was too heavy for me as a dirt bike and on the highway it was terrible. I rode it on the highway doing 60 MPH, and after about 30 miles I had decided that there was no way I would ride that bike for any long distance. It was way underpowered and buzzy. Since it was so poor on the dirt with a suspension that would need a lot of work and so poor on-road I sold it. I bought a Husqvarna FE dual-sport for the dirt which was leagues better than the Honda and am now in the market for a small adventure bike that will allow me to cruise the highways and do moderate off-road. I’ve watched a bazillion videos and read forums and think the KTM 390 Adventure fits exactly what I’m looking for and hits the target for what Big Rock’s video is targeted at. I’d classify the 300 Rally more as a dual-sport, and honestly there are bikes like the Husqvarna FE 350, the KTM 500 EXC and the Beta RR lineup that better fit that bill with more power and better suspension.
Hmm, I thought that the whole idea behind an ‘adventure’ bike is to avoid highway riding as much as possible… Get a GoLd Wing to tour on highways, or an ‘adventure touring’ rock on wheels like a BMW 1200GS series (miserably heavy for any real adventure, I know, I was silly enough once to buy one). All the comments about how the CRF300 is not good at 80-90 mph miss the point entirely
@@ArtTheTractor
Your comment while accurately assessing things, well illustrates the challenge:
Which side of "Adventure / Touring" does one want to Prioritize ?
Say "Adventure" = Off Road most important, pavement lesser importance.
"Touring" - On Road most important, off road less important.
Pick ONE.
IF you do, the other aspect will be SO imperfect, it'll probably bug 🪲 you.
Or someone else, who'll have the opposite perspective.
My (new to me, 2 weeks) 2008 V-Strom 650 - (garaged like new low miless) is very satisfying, but definitely a 75/25 on / off roader.
Really too heavy & poorly balanced for serious off road.
But, I didn't buy it for that.
IF I had dirt roads - off road as a more primary concern, say a 50/50 split, I think the KTM390 or Versys 300x or KLR650 would be more Off Road capible, while hopefully keeping good on road performance.
But probably none of those 3 could touch the V-Strom on road performance.
Right back to the crux: if your desire & need is variable, can you afford 2 of these bikes with opposing attributes ?
So whichever you need on a given day, that's the key you turn ?
I grew up on dirt bikes and dual sports and have had many litre+ sport touring bikes. I got into the ADV seen with a Versys 300X and now own a CB500X. The Versys 300X felt a lot like my old Yamaha XT350. It is light and easy to ride in the dirt. I regret selling it because it was a blast to ride. I highly recommend the Versys 300X and CB500X (CB500X is the more comfortable tourer).
Good selection of bikes here. I'd put the Honda CRF300L Rally and Benelli TRK502X on this list to round it out. Thanks.
benelli is so heavy :o
@@Voolthe all xhinese bikes are
@@the.communist benelli 235kg, versys X300 175kg...
I kind of agree with you about the dual sport vs adv bikes, but I think that the CRF300L Rally version sort of wears both hats in these categories. Also I agree with a previous post on the V-Strom 650 XT. It also should be considered.
Heavy 650cc machines arent begginer friendly. Neither are the klr or ktm
@@the.communist I think I disagree. It may not be the best “beginner” bike due to the weight issues you are fair to point out, but for an existing motorcyclist/rider looking to get into adventure riding, and in consideration of the other bikes here, it is one of the best ADV entry units and it should be on this list.
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great job Ian and perfect timing...i'm on the ropes, been on the street riding for about 4 seasons and cant pull the trigger on a T7 because of the weight issue and my complete lack of offroad skills. will most likely go for TEAM RED crf rally.
I have a cb500x n taking offroad is daunting. Too bulky n heavy
Is started my adventure motorcycling journey on a KTM 950 Adventure ☺️. I'm still alive. So far, no broken bones.
Absolutely love your video.
I am from India. I am 6 foot 4 inch.
I bought ktm 390 adventure. It costed 4860 US dollars here in India which is tremendous value for money for a bike with quick shifter & auto blipper , cornering abs & MTC feature packed. The only bummer was Adjustable suspension rear & front is missing in Indian models with just WP APEX springs & they get led indicators.
It's very light weight & I am happy with my purchase. I am planning to add some mods to make this bike more off road focussed.
Good call on the F750GS. I bought one as my first ADV bike and having not ridden a bike in 8 years (previously rode naked bikes). Probably one of the best everyday bikes you can get. Don't be put off by the power, I've ridden the F900XR with over 100hp and it doesn't feel any slower. The suspension is plush and great for riding around on really bad roads. Been touring on it with my wife a few times, it's great for pillions. Main downsides are its weight, it feels very heavy when it's not moving. I'm over 6'2 so I find it very low (but can always raise bars and seat). Touratech do a good widescreen for it too as the stock one is practically non existant. I wouldn't take it out on anything worse than a gravel trail as it'll be too heavy.
+1 on the Himalayan. Got one for my dad for his 70th birthday after (after a 50 year break from biking). First time I went trail riding was on one of these and it's remarkably capable.
Aftermarket and community support should be an important consideration for new riders. From personal experience, I didn't really know what I needed on my first bike but with the help of the KLR forums and aftermarket the bike was able to fit my evolving needs.
Good information Ian :-) Surprised you didn't mention the Honda 300L or Rally :-)
I thought the Honda 300 Rally would make an appearance. It seems to be good enough for riding round Africa or South-North America, for example.
I love my Himalayan. It gets me out of any trouble my foolish imagination can think up. However, I love my KTM 390 Adv more. It's lighter, faster, fancier and dog gone it, people like it. ;)
Another excellent bit of knowledge Ian.
Thanks,
S
Very nice explanation. Thank you.
300l rally really should have been in this group. I have owned the Versys-X and the rally is approaching that good on the road
I got the Royal Enfield, I couldn't be happier.
Coffee and Big Rock Moro. Just what I needed to start the morning. 👌
Same her brother haha
I had an X300. It was good. It was not exciting. I put it down to torque. Tiring. But a great bike. Not pleasant to pick up. Exhaust and oil filter exposed. I replaced it with the dual-sport most hated by this guy. Love it 😀 Each to their own
As a recent purchaser - I can vouch that I’m very happy with the Honda CB500x
Great, great, great video again. Thx man! 😊👌🏻
Thanx for the video 👍 will you do the video of the Suzuki SV650 2022, can be interesting bike for beginners also ✌️
At 6'3" , 240lbs... The KLR feels pretty great under me, and the aftermarket and community around it made it an easy choice.
Great new video opening with excellent choice of music. Love it!
Small ADV bikes are the only ones I would take on any type of serious dirt riding. I agree with your comments about starting on smaller off road bikes. So easy to handle and pick up if dropped.
Two bikes I would add to your list is the V-Storm 650 and TRK502X. Other then that nice job 👍
No. Too heavy n bulky. Were talking of beginners here.
Gotta mention the cb500x got a big upgrade now, with decent upside forks, and dual disc brakes as well
I have a Dr650 with adventure set up and I love it!!
My friend owns the GS 310 adventure and that bike it’s amazing he can do anything I can do it in my DR in the dirt but on the highway it feels like a street bike which is way better and smoother than my bike, I believe is the best value proposition for an adventure rider this price out there, also it doesn’t look like a 310 people believe is a 650!
I would love a DR as want simple and lighter and do it myself valves! 67 and riding 2 DL 1st gen 650/1000. Love em but with heavy dirt background a DR would be awesome ride!
Bought my first adv-style bike after 20+ years of riding. I found that the Tiger 850 fits right in my Goldilocks zone. It's damn light for an 888cc bike (217kg wet), has plenty of grunt for a passenger + luggage at highway speeds, will do 350+km per tank of fuel for long trips, low enough for me to ride it with confidence right out of the showroom, it feels a lot more modern than the de facto Vstrom 650, the t-crank triple soundtrack sounds better than any 180-deg parallel twin.... and where I live it's a hell lot cheaper than BMW's nearest offering.
Love your channel. I'm looking to get an adventure bike. I'm 5'11". 190lbs. It will be my very first bike. I rode dirt bikes, and mini bikes, and quads when I was a teenager. That was over 30 years ago. Lol I just want a bike I can commute to work and take a trip here and there, but also hit that random trail. This video gave me something to think about.
I have a well outfitted 310GS with 7K+ miles of true adventre riding. Suspension is really limited and I am considering upgrading with RallyRaid suspension. A bit of $ but I think it will be worth it.I live near you Ian in San Diego county and I have probably run many of the same trails. Struggled a bit in Colorado all loaded down in the high passes (Cinnamon). Overall I have had a blast on this bike and the most important thing is the confidence I have that if I get in a situation where the terrain is rough, I can flat foot, pick it up if I drop it, etc. I ride solo so this is a huge determining factor. I have owned a well-equipped Gen2 KLR and I really didnt like that HEAVY bike. I found it hard to manage in the dirt, and the well known death wobble was a deal-breaker for me. I own a WR250R and I agreed with your comment that dual-sport rider experience transitioning to adventure riding is helpful. Thanks for the continued superb content.
I'm still loving my bmw 2019 bmw g310 gs!!! No issues!!
To the Versys-X: better on road than CRF300Rally (especially with passanger), worse off-road than CRF300Rally. However, adding YSS front fork kit makes itt much better off-road (bottoming out less frequent and less hurtfull) and also on-road. For beginner off-roader it is sufficient with front fork kit. ABS: easy to defeat by putting it on center stand and revving up to 7000RPM. Or removing the ABS fuse.
I concur. with your theory about Kawasaki. I got my Versys X-300 2 years ago and it proved to be awesome bike. It has it's flaws obviously and most of them can be modded out, but took me through 25k of all types of roads and allow me to learn and learn. It's great for anyoe that does not need to burn the rubber but at the same time it offers enough power when and where you need it for small ADV. If not for driving with passenger I would not consider changing it. And I do have a feeling that I will keep it in the garage as 2nd bike for now.
I ride bikes since 90's and after a bunch of different types of them, a few months ago I bought the G310GS 40th years and allow me to say that this little bike rocks.
It's not the most powefull, not the best to off-road but... You can do everything you want with it just because it is super confortable, economic and fun to ride.
Like you've said, I was tyred of heavy & powerfull bikes which I was always concerned to drop it in a dirty road ( expensive spare parts, ensurance, etc). Now I have 3 years of BMW's ensurance ( the dealer here is awesome ), BMW assistance in whole South America, my private ensurance costs me almost nothing compared to my last F800GS and XTZ Super Teneré 750.
In my opinion there's no bad motorcycle, but motorcycles that don't match to your spectation.
Cheers from Brazil, buddy.
Can’t beat the KTM 690 enduro r, 340 lbs, 72 HP, awesome suspension, put a wind screen on it and a few bags and it will take you anywhere
I will say that I like the way you are categorizing these bikes. I own a CRF300L Rally and I have to agree with others that this bike is kind of a Dual Sport / ADV bike. It is a very tall bike so it is not one for a short beginner rider but for a experienced rider it is a excellent light and more off road ADV bike. I do understand why you classified it as a Dual Sport.
Great video. I like the way you present your information. I have the Versys X300, and despite a few cons, if I had to buy a new one again today, it would still be the X300. Close runner-up would be the Honda CB500X or that KTM390ADV. I will admit I never test drove either of those two, but the more I drive my Kawasaki x300, the more I like it, and the more it impresses me. Thanks for your videos!
QUESTION: Fuel consumption... with gas going up up up, I think it is really useful to include MPG for these bikes. Yes MPG will change based on rider weight, throttle input, type of riding city or highway.... but generally, all things being equal... what bikes are good MPG, what are so so, and what is going to cost more over the long term. Also... 9 months later... are you going to ride the Versys 300? This is the bike I am MOST interested in. How is it for a daily commuter, getting on and off, stability / maneuverability when lane splitting, and level of capability off road??? I WANT to do 80/20 off road, but in reality I do 80/20 on road, with rock roads, dirt roads, very little trail riding. Lastly how is it for keeping a constant 85/90 mpg on the highway? ALL of his would be GREAT to know. For all the bikes. Plus the differences between duel sport and adventure bikes... these seem vey similar or the same but are they really? SORRY: last thought... cost of service / repair.. is maintaining a KTM or BMW going to cost the same as a Honda or a Kawasaki... how often is service and can it be done DYI or is it dealer only??? Very Important!! Do all these run on regular gas or do some require premium gasoline?
Odd thing is that the KTM 890 Adventure S can have a lower seat height than the 390 while having more ground clearance and ofc better horsepower. You gain 77lbs but it's not a bad choice for a beginner's adv, probably not a beginner's bike in general though.
Himalayan in the list but not the crf300l rally is a bit disappointing. The crf300l rally deserves at least a proper review in the channel. I own a v Strom 650 xt by the way and I don't think it is a good begginer bike as I don't think the BMW 750 isn't too. Great channel. Tell us more about the Norden 901.
Disapointed?🤣😂🤣 whos Ian your mother?
The best one was missing. The Suzuki Vstrom 650xt 💚
Been riding a 2020 KTM 390 for 5k so far and it’s been great. Good seat height for me 6ft and great electronics and suspension. The only con would be the high end. I wouldn’t consider it a Hwy machine. Being a single cylinder I don’t feel the vibration is too much an issue
My advice to new adv riders is to go sit on what you think you might like because you might find out different. Test ride if possible. Whatever you purchase, stick with it and ride the wheels off of it. Don't fall for thinking you need to upgrade to a more powerful engine unless of course you have extra money to burn. There will be flaws to pretty much every motorcycle. And lastly, if you think you will be riding quite a bit of dirt and more challenging terrain just get a dualsport that is close to an ADV and suffer some comfort. CRF300L Rally or the legendary DR650.
Great review! double take at "1 million rpm" for the Versys X300 haha
The KTM 390 ADV is a little pricier than some but it is a fantastic adventure bike with lots of customizability and longevity. Great to learn on and keep rather than just learn and sell
I currently own a Versys X300 for commuting and finding fire roads and flat trails. It handles very well, compared to my MT-07 is feels like a bicycle! I can regularly go 300 miles on a tank 60/70MPG, It's good at cruising between 45-65MPH with decent suspension and brakes. It is a high reving twin from the Ninja 300 with a tooth less on the front sprocket so its constantly screaming. Around 9K at 75mph. And can hit triple digits on a runway. I have 2 problems with this bike, I really like tourqe and a little punch but the Ninja 300 derived engine feels gutless, and the other issue is the clutch. It has a ridiculous light pull "Pinky Finger" light and the engagement point has no feel which is compounded by the engine having 0 low end however it is an Assisted/Slipper. Overall though it's a great package if you plan to do a 80/20 Road/Off-road split.
One million RPMs ?
Great review and helped me narrow my choices. Thanks
Don’t forget, there are also LOTS of riders who want a TALL SEAT OPTION ! ….. so would be good to mention if those are options, too, and not just cater to those looking for lower seat heights.
I love how endearing you sound! It makes the videos more funnto watch! Thank you
Glad you enjoy it!
Really good advice. I have over 50 years on dirt bike/ ADV riding and yours is the best videos I have seen on " Which bike for Beginners". For me I would avoid the KTM and BMW ( price and reliability issues in my experience), KLR is too high seat wise and too heavy to learn on, anything with cast wheels is a liability in rocks. If I was doing 90% road / 10 % dirt I would choose the Kawasaki 300, 50 road/50 dirt road the Himalayan, 30% road/ 70 % dirt road and some off road harder stuff the Honda 300 Rally. Having recently sold my Tiger 800 XCx mainly because of the weight issues ( otherwise a great dirt road tourer) I am back riding my much modified DRZ400E. The DRZ400S is a hard to beat package, but seat height is on the high side. That can be reduced about 40 mm/ 2 " with internal changes in the rear shock and slide the forks through the clamps to match. When the DRZ dies I will look at the Himalayan. Being retired means I don't have to get anywhere is a hurry anymore!
Great video Ian. I think you combined a good list for entry level “adventure” bikes. I will certainly recommend this video that has questions about this motorcycle segment.
9:53 cb500x 2022 is 199kg, 2kg more than the previous model. But those 2 kg are still not much as for a new upside down suspension and one more brake disc. And these two extra kilograms can be easily cut by replacing the exhaust, original exhaust weighs 4.2 kg, accessory ones usually under 2 kg. As always great video!
199 k is heavy for a 471 cc twin. By comparison, an MT-09 Mk 3 is only 189 kg. I realise this isn't an adventure bike.
@@1990-t1j Yeah I know, but that's the way it is. In this case it's not even directly due to the class of the motorcycle but its price, cheaper motorcycles are not only cheap because they have small engines. And the power? If you ride without a passenger, it is enough for long distance travels on the back roads. Himalayan has even less power for that weight, but still people buy them and love them. Motorcycle travel is all about the road not the destination. And you don't need 100 horsepower to enjoy the landscapes.
@@wiktor88 All true. I went from England to Portugal three times and Greece once on an XT500E in the '80s.
@@wiktor88 true, but that doesnt mean the 500x isnt a heavy bike for its displacement