JUST IN: Supreme Court Hears Major Case On Criminalizing People Experiencing Homelessness
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2024
- On Monday, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in City of Grants Pass v. Johnson.
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Imagine a government not wanting to deal with a homelessness and drug crisis that they created
The government doesn't force people to take drugs.
Then why did the CIA help the cartels distribute cocaine? Is that making the problem? Entrapimg people is just as worse. Drug laws make a artificial problem to destroy Constitutional rights.
@@joeblow5087 Yes we do. We do it all that time.
I as a Homeless Senior Citizen & am not welcome in my local shelter. I have 2, 19 year old Cat's & 1, 21 year old dog. I've had them since Birth! They are MY CHILDREN!
AND COMPANION ANIMALS YOU ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE
@@THEROOTMATTERSwell if the man just said his local shelter won't let him then obviously you can't.
@@THEROOTMATTERS The shelter is also dangerous. Your stuff gets stolen or worse yet you get raped. One lady got kicked out for screaming for help. I could never ever handle that. Plus they make a Fortune off of us which is why they want us in there.
@@THEROOTMATTERS Only 1
having a companion animal is important but getting a place to sleep for yourself should be your first and only priority until you are housed. You cannot be living outside. That's outrageous
Now you know where American taxpayers money is going and it's not to the American taxpayers.
Why do people end up homeless? Many people become homeless because they can no longer afford the rent.
So the question now should be why can't they afford to pay the rent?......there will be a host of reasons given, but no solutions!
The solution is to tear down regulations, end foreign ownership, and break up oligopolies.
They raised the rent so they couldn't afford the rent .
LOL! No the cost of everything went up so the rent had to go up as well or just like New Yuck they just abandon the apartment complex or houses and let them rot further reducing available housing.
Do you think letting in 10 million migrants in the last 3 years helped with low income housing?
Do you think the pandemic had something to do with this dreadful situation ? Don't think it can't happen to you ?🤔
If I wasn’t my son’s live in caregiver, I would be homeless. $1100 a month SS won’t pay rent, buy food, or afford a car.
Who is they?
The market sets the prices
We see a serious lack of human compassion.
so is Gloria Johnson suing the city who is she she's part of the case
That compassion is quickly lost when the homeless overtake public spaces and make them unsafe for the working class.
What about the compassion for regular people forced to reduce their quality of life for people unwilling to help themselves.
Easy if you live in an ivory tower and aren’t affected by homelessness.
We? Do you have homeless individuals living with you? Are your doors always open to the homeless? My family have taken in 8. We helped or tried to help youth get their GED and get on their feet only to be total screwed by 6. We stopped helping. I'm guarantee most homeless had families who tried to help but were screwed over also. I can guarantee most have been offered rehab for drugs, training and schooling bug refused. When are they going to be held accountable!!
And nationwide, 50% of the homeless population spent time in foster care.
Help the homeless🙏.
91% of homeless people have experienced at least one traumatic event, and 99% experienced childhood trauma.
15 minutes in
If stupidity were a crime, this attorney would get life in prison.
If failure to respond to a simple question with a simple answer were a crime she would get the death penalty.
Every city and municipality has a park. So why not set up parks for Citizens that cannot afford housing? Camping areas, restrooms and showers. This problem is easily solved. It's called compassion, caring, understanding and providing. We used to call it LOVE.
These emergency areas can be patrolled and monitored like any other park. You break the rules you leave or go to jail. Millions of Americans are becoming homeless as we speak through no fault of their own.
Drug addicts, mentally ill?
Treatment, care.
We stopped caring. If anyone finds themselves homeless and then loses hope, drugs come next.
The wealthy are medicated legally. We don't call them junkies.
Yet....Doctors, push drugs. Americans take drugs. This is not an us and them issue. Without affordable housing nothing changes.
Without love, care and concern for our fellow citizens, we are lost. America stands for nothing if it doesn't care for her own people.
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness has no restrictions of Liberty. What if I don't want a home?
What if I travel a lot?
What if I live in a van?
What if I live in a boat?
What if I like camping?
What if I live in a motor home?
America has made even these endeavors of nomadic lifestyle a giant pain in the rear end.
So are we really free?
Remember, an injury and loss of income could make any of us homeless.
Well spoken these people want to lock up people for existing inconveniently which would cost more than providing them a real home that is sick
California jails cost about 100,000 a year to house a person in jail
It's cruel to take a person from there freedom, It's unusual to do so when no law, legitimate law has been broken. "The eight Amendment has to apply or remove it from the Bill of Rights". You can't just ignore it and fine someone or imprison someone simply for being homeless in the public sphere.
Lets say you criminalize having a trailer but you say having a trailer is having a home, youve just criminalized homlessness, one could say, for your own devices
She's a kook. She actually said there're beds at a rescue shelter. Honey there're 30,000 homeless in nasty Seattle alone and growing.
but are they legal US citizens?.......clearly not!
@@user-pf6zx1ip9oeveryone has rights under the constitution regardless if they are citizens and yes most are citizens
Complaining that some beds are left open should inform the fact that the policies in those shelters are barriers for some people.
There are commonly strict lights out hours, strict rules about whether or not a person can step outside for a smoke or make a PBJ in the middle of the night, many other restrictions on certain liberties that will absolutely keep people away.
You'd think right?
The shelter in question here is not in grant's past.It's 10 minutes outside of it.It's at a church that requires you to do 6 hours of work per day for 6 days out of the week.Requires you to go to church twice a day and pay
Good - if you've proven to make decision so poor that you find yourself in such a place, you'd best follow all their rules until you can, in short order, learn to make better decisions.
@redredred1 I didn't choose for my roommate I shared half the responsibility of paying rent to have a mental breakdown, lose his job, and breaking lease terms to get us 3.
@@redredred1 evicted*
I’d be pissed off if I spent an all nighter taking care of sick people at a hospital and I happen to fall asleep on a bench waiting for an Uber and I get arrested for falling asleep after working hard taking care of my community.
Yeah, filed it with more "Things That Didn't Happen." :D The cop probably gave you a ride home, poor dear. You looked so tired and so pretty in your nurses' scrubs. And you weren't making the children cry.
Is the government enforcing people to sleep in religious establishments or else legal trouble?
In some cases, but probably only if they are on probation or something
That's what happens in my city the homeless shelter requires to attend church twice a day using public funds
No the homeless aren’t allowed to lie on a bench or sit on a bench with a blanket, in fact, cities are starting to make benches look like a torture bed so no one can lie on them. Anything to make the homeless person uncomfortable so they will move on is happening now. WHERE ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GO ?
This is a huge world. There is plenty of places to go. I had to find an acceptable place to sleep, so should others. This has been the way since the beginning of humans.
Usually those benches get covered in feces, puke and drug paraphernalia. Which isn’t right for the people of the area.
Not to mention their unfriendly city planning makes the city worse for everyone not just the homeless they want to target. It’s sad
@@Jenn01018 IT IS BEYOND STUPID TO FINE AND IMPRISON PEOPLE FOR BEING HOMELESS
1) homeless have no money to pay fines
2) prison is far more expensive than housing
They put sprinklers anywhere where it wouldn't be bothering the families the city's actually cause their own problems
Pissing is a basic human need. Shitting is a basic human need. Are you saying that we cannot regulate where it is okay and not okay to piss and shit?
They literally discussed that. You can provide facilities to help people use a bathroom. If none available, you can't arrest someone for taking a leak on a tree. Wtf is wrong w you? You wanna arrest people for shitting?
Sleeping has never been a health hazard to other people around the person sleepng....
@@draunt7 "You wanna arrest people for shitting?" You can be arrested for shitting everywhere around the world.
@@rubytuesday9711 You're right. Having been homeless in Oregon (and hitch-hiked through Grants Pass a few times) I'm hard against this law. Spending time in both Medford and Grants Pass back in the 90's, I would have put money on Medford being the town to pass anti-camping laws and being cruel to homeless people, not Grants Pass.
As a presently non-homeless person, I'm a huge fan of kicking back in the shade on a sunny day and having a bit of a nap.
The rest of us are forced to follow zoning and building codes to create our space to urinate and pass excrement all for the safety of preventing disease. At great expense. These homeless advocates don’t even consider the ramifications.
“Being homeless is not a crime…. just don’t do it in public 😂 can she even hear herself?
How would it be considered if you own land but not a house, and you live in a tent on your own property?
Would depend on zoning laws in your area. The anti camping rules they are talking about are in public parks
That would be allowed in many cases because a tent would be a temporary structure. You could also ask your local government for a variance to any laws that would prohibit a tent.
Most places allow a fire as well, and even an RV parked on your property.
Sleeping is an involuntary reaction to exhaustion.
Sleeping is necessary and healthy reaction to being exhausted.
Criminalizing people that fall asleep is outrageous is
Not a voluntary conduct that can simply go to rehab and then they won't sleep any longer.
Grants pass in Oregon take care of your problems but do not dehumanize American citizens do not demoralized human beings because they cannot afford a place to live because they are only living on social security.
Absolutely disgusted once again by Oregon
I live in this County and am facing homelessness here. I am on Social Security. Rent here is exorbitant because people who lost their expensive homes in California moved across the border to here during the '08 housing crises and bought the, at the time very cheap homes here that were lost to pooer people for the same reason, then they jacked up rental prices to be equal with rich neighborhood California prices and suddenly, this poor area where retired people live became unaffordable to anyone on Social Security or even with a part time minimum wage job. And the rental vacancy turnover rate is one percent, and it's even LESS for the extremely few HUD (low income approved) places. The G0VERNMENT here provides zero help for low income LEGAL AMERICANS, except for a few vouchers during COV1D for propane. I am forced to live with a friend in less than desirable conditions because I don't have enough money on my Social Security to even be able to pay "my share" of the high rental rate of HUD. And it's a many years wait for a voucher, but they only give you 3 months to find a HUD place where the price is unaffordable and, again, it's a 1/2 percent vacancy rate, so a hundred people are applying to rent the same place.
I live in this County and am facing homelessness here. I am on Social Security. Rent here is exorbitant because people who lost their expensive homes in California moved across the border to here during the '08 housing crises and bought the, at the time very cheap homes here that were lost to pooer people for the same reason, then they jacked up rental prices to be equal with rich neighborhood California prices and suddenly, this poor area where retired people live became unaffordable to anyone on Social Security or even with a part time minimum wage job. And the rental vacancy turnover rate is one percent, and it's even LESS for the extremely few HUD (low income approved) places. The G0VERNMENT here provides zero help for low income LEGAL AMERICANS, except for a few vouchers during COV1D for propane. I am forced to live with a friend in less than desirable conditions because I don't have enough money on my Social Security to even be able to pay "my share" of the high rental rate of HUD. And it's a many years wait for a voucher, but they only give you 3 months to find a HUD place where the price is unaffordable and, again, it's a 1/2 percent vacancy rate, so a hundred people are applying to rent the same place. The property I live on doesn't allow even the OWNER to live in an RV or vehicle or tent on their own land for more than 2 weeks a year.
@@ServantOfJesusChrist777
TRUTH
"Your honor, if they get cited with a $350 ticket they can just hire an expensive lawyer and pay them to run the request all the way back up to this court. I don't see why that is not good enough."
Yeah if this court rules badly nothing they rule after this I will believe should be followed or believed
If they Supreme Courts rule badly nothing they rule on from then on should be relied upon.
Homeless shelters are so disgusting people are better off outside. Lining people up like sardines on a mat on a floor is not a solution. If anything it's traumatic.
When you have a bunch of homeless people in one shelter of course it's going to be disgusting
@@JoSeF... our system and lack of compassion is disgusting, not the homeless
@@jerryskidlsd yep we have enough money to fork our tax money to foreign countries & illegals in our country
Personally, I would feel safer sleeping in my car with my doors locked than I ever would going into a homeless shelter and attempting to sleep there
What if it were these peoples kids where out there ....
The homeless pandemic is not a single-issue solution. It will take many little to large solutions to make an impact on this ever-increasing problem. This is an age-old problem that has not just popped up like mushrooms in the past century. Homelessness has always been around, however how we have dealt with in the past and now are totally different solutions. Again, it is going to take multiple solutions. One, two, or a hundred will not solve it. It is going to be a constant need to be continuously addressed by all parties around the world. It is not just a nail you can pound with a single hammer.
Do you truly believe these people want to be homeless. For most it’s not a choice. Some are actually degreed and at one time had a home, a car,etc.
The rent is to high now for anyone working in food service and retail sales. If they have a car, that’s where their home is. They need to be inside the city in order to obtain food. Once you’ve hit that level it’s next to impossible to find your way back into society.
Blanket issue in grants pass is very offensive.
There's a native American tribe write up grants pass and they are called blanket people.
Native American people who wore blankets in public were arrested to begin with.
Secondary being homeless is a crime in grants pass.
There is no right to rest anywhere
In grants pass with a blanket with comfort.
However if you look ritzy and you have a home you have a vehicle.
You are not harassed.
If you are native American or other minorities you will meet the law guaranteed
Quit your damn whining. Get a job and take care of yourselves!
Thank you for sharing this info
@@garykreutzer1239this has nothing to do with getting a job
who would want to live there this is crazy that city sounds like they're racist
The law isnt protecting the person arrested for sleeping outside the law is protecting a person paying for a home, you could perhaps say, its protecting the banks selling homes and places of business
The child welfare system is sometimes described as a highway to homelessness. An estimated 20 percent of young adults who are in care become homeless the moment they're emancipated at the age of 18. And nationwide, 50% of the homeless population spent time in foster care.
This is a crazy issue. Case by case basis. I want to give them a rehab stay for 2 years and train them in the construction industry.
A person has to go get a job to follow the law. Some of them cannot work until they get sober. Build rehabilitation programs not jails.
Anyone wondering why we are 30+ trillion dollars in debt?
Better yet…. Why aren’t we spending it HERE. ?😑😞
Wars and military aide to other countries, corrupt politicians using taxdollars to enrich themselves or their friends as well as government waste/overspending
on frivolous bullshit that benefits nobody.
No. That's because of excessive military spending
To support the military industrial complex
Yeah, we give all our money to Israel, and then they use that money to bribe our politicians. AIPAC controls the United States of israel.
I was homeless living in my car for 4 years while working in San Diego California you have to have a job and you have to contribute to your own well-being. You can't just expect the city the government everyone else to take care of you because you don't want to work I don't want to work either but I have to to pay bills. We are all responsible for our own selves and whatever children we bring into this world
It is not compassionate to allow people to live outdoors in such conditions.
Is it, in the alternative, compassionate to start doling out $250 fines per night and giving them insurmountable municipal debt? Is it compassionate to give them additional headaches they are likely ill-equipped to deal with? Please describe your compassionate way of dealing with these people. I'm guessing you agree that this ordinance is compassionate.
It’s not compassionate to increase the horrendous living conditions they will find themselves in after they throw them somewhere else, taking their tents and belongings. Just take a moment to put yourself in their position. Imagine YOU are homeless and all you have is what they have. Where are you to go? A park? They throw you out of there. A wooded area? Nope, can’t live there either, under a bridge, on the street, I mean there’s no where they can go. Why not, just consider this, create for them a homeless camp somewhere, a safe place, out of the way, with amenities like shower, restrooms and a common area. Help them in some way to be able to start to help themselves. How about job training and assistance? Housing assistance THAT ACTUALLY PUTS THEM IN A HOUSE. instead of throwing money at moving them here and there, money spent for the city to clean up where they were after they were thrown out, spend the money on FIXING THE PROBLEM!
You're right. It's compassionate to fine them hundreds of dollars and then arresting them for sleeping outside. What's the compassionate response then?
🤪 I was homeless for 30 years living alone in the woods or under a bridge. Got a J-walking ticket in San Diego long time ago that I never paid. I've never been back to California since. Guess I'm a bad person 🤪 come get me
Where are you now? I live in this town and I need OUTTA here with these tyrrrannical laws.
@@ServantOfJesusChrist777 you can try muscle shoals Alabama area. Seems to be jobs around but I'm retired. People are real here. Church people really do care around here. I got help. Ive found this to be the best for me. The Tennessee river & Natchez trace parkway provide great recreation.
LOL if I had $200 per night per month I'd have $6000 per month for Housing & WOULD BE IN A HOME! Maybe SCOTUS SHOULD LOOK INTO THE INFLATED COST OF HOUSING! That would actually SOLVE THE PROBLEM once & for ALL!
Barrett runs in circles in the middle about pre-ajudication, missing her own point.
Can I decide I don't want to pay rent anymore and I quit my job. Is the government obligated to provide me with a free place to live? Is saying "no" cruel or unusual?
Most other 'western' countries recognize housing as a human right. People don't just quit and become homeless. Did you become homeless last time you quit your job?
You choosing to quit your job is VERY different than someone being laid off and priced out of their home.
Great point!
What percent of unhoused people do you think quit their job and choose to live on the street?
I can help with the homelessness if you would hear my experience and my idea how to solve it
They don’t want it solved…It’s a money pit and lots of people are making big bucks . California is a prime example. Billions given to Cali then 501c3’s appear and get thousands and thousands and most do nothing because there is no follow thru as to where the money goes. I know this for a fact.
🤔 If drug addiction is a " Disease"
How is a having a disease a crime ?
What is scary when we go down legal roads like this, it only matter of time before being without job is considered a crime. The Democratic Party since 1933 until Obama Presidency was champion of helping people out of tough times. Now they realize how these Systems that their own party put in place almost 100 years ago, are can not be continue as they were set up. After years of allowing jobs to leave the U.S. leaving people who had good paying jobs now working for many times up less than half of what they were earning. Meaning U.S. and local Governments are left collecting less income through the taxes, yet still having to pay out for the same level of services. Which instead of staying the same level when all these good paying jobs were around, they have been cut to the bone in many instances. We are giving Illegal Immigrants Millions of Dollars each month while these same services that have been cut are cut more. Soon such safety nets as Food Stamps and Social Security Disability will be cut due to lack of funds. Why are treating non-Citizens like royalty, and treating Citizens as they were Serf in Feudal Russia? Remember when Imperial Russia Government fell 1917 it wasn't long when Communist Government was stood up to replace it. It replace one type of Serfdom with another one that told them that everyone was equal. The new equality was only step above what they had, they lost all property rights, their limited rights they had in traveling around was restricted more. Yes, they were now fed, and got equal pay, but if you weren't in the ruling party you were still basically a Serf with limited rights. We aren't far from falling into that rabbit hole.
massive layoffs at many jobs and major corporations. AI and overseas outsourcing.
Bravo Justices!
HOMELESS DOES NOT EQUAL ADDICT! IT ONLY EQUALS POOR LIVING IN A SEVERELY DISFUNCTIONAL & ABUSIVE WORLD! I afforded housing of my choosing on minimum wage of $1.90 per hour when I first went to work! There's something WRONG with this picture & it's NOT US!
universal basic income, equal treatment under the law, peace and love, law and order
I lived in Grant pass
I've been homeless in grants pass
The gp lawer lied
It's illegal to beg/panhandle in grants passin fact it's illegal to do a hamd to hand transfer from a car
Even if its not drugs...just a dollar
That is pathetic and sad
@@IAmWithinEverythingI've seen signs about panhandle it says donate to a shelter hmm
@@ML-te6qv yeah the one church shelter lol
@@ML-te6qv That's The Lie Narrative Put out by All Mission Across the United States Missions always Require Attendance of Church Service to Receive Benefits It's Entirely Wrong
That's illegal federally I'm sure this will be enforced the same way. Appeals for charitable donations was ruled legal by the Supreme Court
I've never been in front of any group as powerful as the Supreme Court, and I hope I never will be. Despite that: it still seems to me that if these Judges ask you questions, it would be much wiser to give them clear, concise answers than to (attempt to) distract or outsmart them by playing rhetorical and word games. If they ask you a "yes or no" question, it seems by far the best to answer it with "yes" or "no".
Often the answer isn't clear cut. Legal cases are focused on details, so what might be true in one situation isn't true in every situation. That said, I definitely heard some skirting around the question in these arguments.
People don't like shelters because rules and policies will not allow individuals to live comfortably or more important Freely.
This is outrageous ! I don't think that us Americans need the law to control every aspect of our lives. To much Government interfering in OUR FREEDOM IN THIS COUNTRY. Stay the hell out of our private life's
The Justices are inquiring about real life situations, more than the lawyers. In Philly there is nowhere close to enough shelter beds. He is lying about McPherson Square Park too. The Philly cops went with trash trucks and started throwing the homeless individuals belongs away. Philly Outreach was asking them if they wanted services & if they did Outreach couldn’t find placement for them. If anything there was a few Safe Haven beds which is a mat in the floor of an old church, but with Safe Havens that’s it you’re there for 1 night & then what do they do the next day?? The lawyers & those advocating to lock up homeless need to go to the encampments. Locking them up is not addressing the root cause of the issues for those that are unhoused/homeless & treatment for those with substance use challenges and/or medical issues. Instead of giving $ elsewhere the government can create a plan of action that would actually help people instead of just pushing them along to go into another part of a city or state.
What about handwashing stations, and mobile showers….Philly had them for a few months and then just stopped. If/When a plan is being developed people with lived experience, family & community members & service providers should have a seat at the table to be apart of the discussion & give input.
Will those showers be used for a place to drugs?. Often times homeless people create a dangerous hazmat environment of feces, puke, and drug paraphernalia. They need to help themselves a little too.
What's is funny I learned my city had a public bath house in the park the building is still there because in 1900 there were a large amounts of people living on the river homeless trying to work and get a home. It's spokane Washington in mission park
Psalm 82:3
Is homelessness a crime? If it is then the penalty should solve the problem of homelessness? Organ is about to get sued because they totally deserve it and they arrested a homeless woman and then after her sentence was over released her from jail to live in her shoes. Where she froze to death.
This is the judges decision on the matter of the status of homelessness and it's criminal implications...could it be the logans run of decisions?!
If you found a person sleeping on your porch, you would want them gone. The difficulty is a lack of accommodation, a simple open field can be designated for camping.
Yes, safe, sanitary camps with access to public transportation is FAR better.
IT IS BEYOND STUPID TO FINE AND IMPRISON PEOPLE FOR BEING HOMELESS
1) homeless have no money to pay fines
2) prison is far more expensive than housing
Maybe if Sotomayor and Kagan would just get off their high horses and let the lawyers speak for a moment, they would get an answer to their questions.
You can tell they have a nack out for some legal standings based on their questionings. Meanwhile Thomas and Roberts actually allowed the lawyer to answer a question. 😑
The lawyers can’t even answer one of scotus’s questions, not one, listen to the proceedings!!!
Kagan: Do you think you can criminalize homelessness?
Lawyer: Proceeds to filibuster about the 8th Amendment.
You: LET HER COOK
It's just like when they come up with the squatter rights back in the days when people were allowed to squat on land and claim it as their own what the hell's the difference because these encampments that are illegally here in the United States of America because people can't afford a house but they can afford drugs to take and who allows that most of all all these blue states that are changing the laws to have opened drug dance in their state and don't want to solve the problem it's not hard for New York to figure out how to do this because I guarantee you they have a lot of condemned buildings around New York State along that they could refurbish and put people that are living on the street and then buildings it was just cost them more money than what they're paying for the illegal immigrants to survive in these blue States
What if your faith is not Christian? Are you then being forced to take a bed at the mission contrary to your faith? Will you be forced to give up your service dog?
This is also subjective and not objective. You are leaving it to the police to determine to enforce the law or not. There are way to many issues with this law.
Yes That's Wrong NOT only that Different Denominations Have Different Beliefs Ca😢tholic , Presbyterian, Methodist, Seventh day Adventist Etc. Which Belief Could Be Different From Service Forced Upon them
The definition of arbitrary and capricious enforcement of the law
Maybe homeless camps should surround government buildings so they get to see what they have created with their choices
Great point. Then the homeless see the result of their choices (our government)? Or the government sees the result of thier choices (our homeless)? …
Homelessness isn't a choice tho. Bad economics, prejudicial jurisprudence against felons and not enough mental health policy or enough jobs while taxing average Americans is what lead to this
Grants Pass Government do ur job, help the homeless, care for the homeless, criminalizing homeless solves ur problem but does not solve the problem, u hv enough tax money, we r taxed to the maximum, government do ur job!!!
With all the tax money going to the military industrial complex and corporate welfare one should be able to house every homeless person in America.
Will that housing be used as a drug den and quickly turn into a dangerous hazmat environment with feces, puke, and drug paraphernalia all over the place. That’s usually the case. Sad but true
@@jeepernj99that's actually not true at all lol
well,....
a beggar takes pride i knowing that they aren't a thief....
but a starving person will usually what it takes to survive,....
Staying in a shelter is still considered homeless as it’s not stable long term housing
The majority of homeless shelters across the United States are more unsafe than being in your locked vehicle parked in a parking spot on the street or in a parking lot.
"That's quite striking that you think you can criminalize just homelessness." - Justice Kagan, the same woman that couldn't say if the government can require you to eat certain things every day or not
Sorry Beeach Homeless ARE THE PUBLIC!
The amount of times that the justices have to make the arguments for the lawyers is wild.
And still nobody's asking the one question I would be asking why do we have so many homeless camps around the United States of America is it because most of these blue states are legalizing any kind of drugs that they want to take is it because people can't afford to get them a job because illegal immigrants are still in their jobs away from them still nobody wants to ask a question and the reason why we have so many homeless people in the United States of America is because these blue states are allowing them to do open drug deals where they can sell to them and not only that it's happening in just about every damn Blue State I'm not saying it does not occur in red States but why is that that we don't have enough places for these people to live in because we had it before is it because rent is too damn high and nobody can afford to live indoors anymore is it because the policies of blue States maybe even red States I'm just kind of curious what caused all this homeless people in the last three damn years and you can't blame it on Donald Trump because he hasn't been in office
There have been homeless people for years. I remember walking in the city in the 1970s and there were homeless people. There are MORE homeless people now, most likely because there are few services for mental illness. As for drug addiction, there is more drug addiction in red states than blue. No states are legalizing every drug. If you mean pot, pot is not addictive. As for illegal immigrants taking jobs, they can only get ‘under the table’ jobs and jobs that require less skill. What decent job doesn’t ask for your social security number and if you are a citizen? Companies cannot hire you if they are not reporting taxes.
So, only the BLUE states have more homeless people??? That's a laugh. I have not seen a job that an illegal immigrant has taken away from an American was willing to work. Are you telling me that Americans are willing to pick vegetables? Why should they? There are tons of better jobs out there.
It is true that the rent and real estate is massively inflated but the increase in drug abuse and the lack of better paying jobs in the rural areas, causes by the elite selling out to China, while you blame the illegal immigrants and "icky people", is causing more homeless people.
BIDENOMICS and foreign pocket lining. And yes, tyrrrannical laws in this Blue State AND THIS COUNTY. And Californians bought up all the affordable homes here in the '08 housing debacle and began charging rich California rent. And multiple forest fires, one in particular which destroyed ALL the mobile home parks PLUS 1500 homes. THIS is the ONE County in Oregon that spends ZERO on services for poor people.
But our fed sends BILLIONS and MORE BILLIONS to other countries. My heart be breaks when I think how much property and low income housing even a PORTION of that could build in this one County... but... NOPE, NOT FOR POOR SENIOR AMERICANS WHO WORKED HARD AND PAID TAXES ALL THEIR LIVES.
@@ServantOfJesusChrist777 very long statement but I have to agree totally totally totally and I'm not from California I just picked up somewhere on the internet I use totally because quite frankly people don't want to use their brains anymore and they don't care to work because they think everything should be handed to them on a golden damn platter
Regan cut federal funding for mental institutions and the states never bothered to step up and take on their portions, so they were all dumped back into the general population and that festered through the 90s and 2000s into most of the social issues we have had recently. (There are some other factors too, but this was a big one.)
At the current stage of human development crazy tends to feeds on crazy, so you need to constantly filter out the nuttiest bunch for treatment or the crazy will spread exponentially. This happens because in the normal poopulation distribution there are a lot of people just on the edge of competent. When surrounded by fully competent people this marginal group can function reasonably well, but they don't have much ability to judge good ideas from poor ideas so they are very suseptable to the notions of lunatics. Thus leaving a few lunatics in the mix has a multipier effect as they convert the large group with low competence. This situation also makes an environment where higher functioning bad actors can blend in and more easilly pray on those of low competence.
"lack of shelters"......huh,...?
kinda wondered how much in total this entire hearing coasted America?....
i wonder how much you could get a field in the woods for and build tiny houses....
"necessity defense"? Umm? who wants to be homeless?
Vagrancy used to be a crime...
Still is
She brought up the word compulsion. One being compelled to do something well is not staying alive. A natural compulsion that the majority of people have not just natural intent to do but a legal right as well?
Yeah it's called natural law
Brilliant hypothetical by the female justice -- "eating"!!
There are hypothetically two homeless people, both have jobs. One works the day shift, the other works the night shift. What time are they allowed to sleep?
I think a lot of ours close during the day :( I never thought about people trying to work nights
The plaintiff has put the cart before the horse. Provide shelters or parks with facilities so that there is access to facilities and sleeping space then criminalize sleeping in parks that are not dedicated to camping or sleeping for the homeless. But, they don't want to fix the problem.
Force homelessness on the greedy rich. See how they feel afterwards
Imagine becoming a lawyer just to fight for the oppression of the poor and downtrodden
You and I both know someone paid for this lawsuit and it wasn’t the homeless person..
It got nothing to do with the poor. It's about getting fet Zombies 🧟♀️ out of parks and public areas. So TAXPAYERS can enjoy and actually use them for recreation. They did it in my city and problems went down ALOT. We had Huge Zombie 🧟♂️ Zones
What do you mean “imagine”? Plenty of lawyers become lawyers to uphold the evil in the system. Not all lawyers are good in fact, VERY few go into law to help those affected by the system. They protect those enforcing it
That has been prosecutors jobs for the last 100 years .
I always say welcome to the Corporate States of America where the greatest crime is being poor
Being HOMELESS & SOBER I can Assure You NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD GO TO A SHELTER! They ARE DANGEROUS! Also many, many homeless who DO NOT fit their Service Profile. They have Animal's, too many people in their Family, They Smell like Alcohol, they look drugged etc. I've seen it ALL! Housing needs to be "HOMES! Permanent HOMES! Not apartment's with OVERSEER'S
Homeless aren’t able to receive SSDI unless they have a valid address.
They put the funds on a debit card for them now. They can get disability if the government says they qualify.
Wrong Day Shelters, Overnight Shelters, General Delivery & Address of a Social Workers Business are all Valid Addresses For Soc Sec is Alliwed
The WEF want to Eventually Criminalize BREATHING! This Case could set precedent for that eventual Case!!! Insanity is RUNNING AMOK, AMOK, AMOK!
Imagine if we spent all that money that we keep giving to foreign nations to help ourselves……WHAT AN IDEA….
If city's close all the public bathrooms they end up with problems why aren't they held liable for aggravating the problem
MODESTO, CA BAN THE UNHOUSED FROM PARKS.
This law is the definition of arbitrary and capricious because it is up to whoever and whatever they want
I have never seen a more inarticulate attorney than the second to speak. I'm not saying I could do any better, because I couldn't and I'm not a lawyer, but I think I could explain his position better than he can.
If a homeless person had $250 bucks, they’d spend it on drugs or food, not a hotel for one night.
There are 4 major categories of homelessness. I would say about half of all homeless don't abuse substances. Los Angeles received about 4 Bilion dollars to help homeless people. They converted a 100k Sq ft. Warehouse. Into 100 beds and built another 500 beds since. California receives about 12 to 15 billion for homelessness. If they save the problem. They loose that money and the executive jobs that were created about 60 or 70 that pay 100k plus in salaries per year minus bonuses and benefits.
For $250 bucks they should be able to feed themselves and get hotel room. If the person uses it for drugs they should be cut from the program for violation of use of the funds giving to you to help you provide shelter and food for oneself. Surprise that when these type of solutions are talked about, most people assume everyone who would receive these benefits would abuse by blowing it on drugs. I have been where I lived in homeless shelter, granted many of the people who lived there addicts of some type. They were never given the proper help to get off the drugs, many continued to use knowing that if they were caught they were back on the streets. In case of the city I was in homeless shelter there two in the town, both allowed you to stay for 90 days max before you turned back out to the street. You had to wait for 30 days before you could back if you were allowed to reapply. Comments like yours is sadly why so many homeless remain homeless. Yet, we treat illegal immigrants more humanely. It ironic that when people immigrated to America back in the 1800s and 1900s, they were left to fend for themselves. Exactly how many people feel that Homeless people should be and are treated now. So think about that for few minutes. Just saying.
Not all homeless people are addicts, Angie, some have bad luck. And this County is extremely expensive to live in.
@@abbottshaull9831there is zero program in this County or city giving away $250. And it costs 2400 a month in this city to stay in the CHEAPEST motel
30 day stay here in the only place with beds, a mission, where if you have any money at ALL they make you give it to THEM for rent and doesn't allow you to save it so you can pay move in costs or get ahead.
Not necessarily, you’re assuming that all homeless people are drug addicted. That’s not the case at all, of course there are some who are, but most are not. There’s people who just got hit with life’s curveball and ended up in a situation that they didn’t ask for. There’s professionals out there in the street, some have lost a spouse and couldn’t afford to live alone and have no one. Life’s problems exist far beyond drug addiction.
its not about criminalizing homelessness. It's about allowing homeless occupying public spaces that belong to everybody. It's the same as if homeless would just occupy YOUR home. In fact, it is already happening.
Matthew 8:20
The Puzzle Picture shows they aren't being accountable about the FUNDING THEY'VE RECEIVED & WANT TO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE! They could've put every single Homeless Person into a small house they OWN & can't be thrown out of! Famlies in house's that fit their size! The Money is going for their 6 figure salaries instead of HOME'S! Thus we are being KEPT Homeless & ARE BEING TRAFFICKED !!! Signed a Sober Homeless Senior Citizen!!!
DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE ANY REASONABLE PERSON COULD THINK THIS ALL OUT WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT, WHAT THE LAW, RULE, ORDINANCE IS. THE CITIES DO NOT EVEN KNOW.
Some need help. Some are just drug addicts. The phrasing is horrible. Imagine putting someone in jail because of their sticky fingers in stores?
Regardless of what reasoning this court gives, more Americans middle class and lower will suffer and die.
With a lot of people. It’s Ukraine and illegals first.
@@jeepernj99 Sounds like the obfuscated statement of a child.
Imagine if a city redirected the funds enforcing these ordinances, or on legal fights to defend them, towards building publicly accessible showers, laundry, toilets & storage lockers?
The “eyesore” and “hygiene” issues simply go away. Provide sufficient trash/recycling receptacles and litter is less of a concern.
If the problem is the maintenance of 1 or 2 public washrooms, that sounds like a good opportunity to offer employment in exchange for the use of facilities.
If the problem is resentment that *those* people get water or shower for “free”, I suppose we need to consider whether or not water/sewer/power is a public utility & human right instead of keeping the old model of for profit utilities.
Simply go away? Have you been outside in the last few years? They would be destroyed in a matter of days.
They get minimized but don't disappear...even in such locations, there are rules.
I UNDERSTAND, MODESTO, CA, CRIMINALIZES ANYONE FOR SLEEPING OUTDOORS IF ONLY A SINGLE SHELTET BED IS AVAILABLE. HOW ARE THE UNHOUSED SUPPOSE TO KNOWCOF THAT SINGLE BED WHEN HUNDREDS ARE UNSHELTERED. IF I HAVE THIS INCORRECT, I DO HAVE IT CLOSE TO HOW THE POLICE OPERATE.
Police have zero patience they will arrest everyone and they will get overwhelmed public defenders paid poorly by the city who will ask everyone to take a plea
I dont know the answer here but this one doesn't seem to be one.
There is no answer if you insist government shall never be in the direct business of certain people but not others even though it is a need that the market is determine to NOT fulfill.
If the case is grants pass vs johnson then making a status of homeless paints a target on johnsons back, is a car illegal is a trailer illegal, you could argue yes in all these
Slippery slope
5 minutes in and 🙄
Sleep with a blanket.....these people live in a world of fantasy...
Of forbearance wasn't something that the government was doing housing would cost less.
These are your court majority, America? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Someone doesn't live at a homeless shelter. Stay is a better verb.
You take each person as a individual not a group of people..people are in three categories....you just dont throw folks in homeless shelters and feed them you mych teach soul spirit and body
I’m not sure it’s fair to compare city regulations to national park regulations. City parks are usually near any services that a homeless person needs or that would be needed by the general public who may accidentally take a nap.