MONDAY MONDAY - THE MAMAS AND THE PAPAS - SINGER REACTS!
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My favourite song of theirs is Go Where You Want To Go. The harmonies are incredible on that one.
"can't trust that day" my favorite line.
Well, John Phillips wrote the anthem for the summer of 1967: " San Francisco ( flowers in your hair )" sung by Scott McKenzie. Scott had a great voice, and was a big friend of John's and appeared in later line-up of ""The "Mamas and Papas"
This group had a LOT of hits in the very short time (about three years) that they were together. For such a short tenure, they had a GIGANTIC lasting impact on the music industry.
Glad you can appreciate - and respect - this music. It says a lot about both the intrinsic quality of the music of the 1960s and your music IQ.
The Wrecking Crew (LA session musicians extraordinaire) was the band on SO many hits in the 60’s into the 70’s too. Hard to duplicate onstage without them.
Hard to get an good sound live period, no vocal monitors until 1969. The band did pretty good at Monterrey Pop - in spring, 1967 - but most TV shows were lip-synced. Lots of subtleties in this type vocal music.
As an aside, Michelle and Cass refused to do the ba-da, ba-dadada intro. They thought it was corny. John insisted it would be a hit song though, and the intro was crucial. He was right.
Michelle's bio has a lot of details like that.
The quality of this sounds very very good I haven't heard it sound like this before on any of what I've seen on RUclips. Gives me chills . Thanks for the upload 😊
Just to add my 2 cents on John Phillips, his life took a downturn after Mamas and Papas broke up in late 60s. He had major drug problems. His daughter Mackenzie Phillips, a TV star in the 70s, has accused her dad, John, of some pretty bad stuff in the 70s. Some of it has been disputed by both of John's wives (one being Michelle other being Mackenzie's mom). Believe what you wish but John's life certainly took a downturn after breakup of Mamas and Papas.
I will add that I saw a program years ago (I think it was called 'Behind The Music') that told the story of Mamas and Papas. John was interviewed for the program and spoke freely of his drug problems, suggesting it was in the past. Michelle and Denny Doherty were interviewed as well. They spoke freely of their brief affair.
The pause: old musical saying; "The silence in music is just as important as the notes." Here, this performance proves that at the end. An old but effective, dramatic trick. Try "This is Dedicated to the One I Love" by the Mamas and the Papas...the harmonies and the whole thing always sends chills up and down my spine. and my spine is pretty damned old lol.
The original stereo studio version is much more satisfying.
TV broadcasts from this era were not in stereo in the 1960's.
"Creeque Alley", is a sort of an autobiographical song written by John and Michelle Phillips that made it to #5 on the Hot 100 in 1967. Reportedly, Cass was never offended by the lyric "No one's getting fat, 'cept Mama Cass". Cass's birth name was Ellen Naomi Cohen.
Cass had one of the best senses of humor of any celebrity ever. If you ever listen to the Mamas & Papas performance at the Monterey Pop Festival, you can hear her joking about how someone asked her when the baby was due! And DAMN what a voice!
But I heard back in the day she didn't like the "Mama" added to her name. But I think it was too catchy. It rolled off the tongue too well. No one ever said Mama Michelle.
SUGGESTION - If you like "Sunshine-Pop" - I HIGHLY recommend you check out the 60's band - The Turtles.
I think you'll really enjoy their music. -cheers
Happy Monday Dani. Thanks for all the information you learned. I knew the history of the Mamas and Papas but wasn't aware of the Beach Boys connection for the Wilson Phillips. You can still be a hippie in 2021!!! Make it a great week.
Super song Dani!
According to Wikipedia (geman) entered the single the US hit parade in April 1966, where it reached first place and held it for three weeks. It was the group's first and only number one hit and at the same time, their biggest hit with 3.5 million copies sold. So you have made a very good choice.
Thank you!!!
Dani, thank you for reacting to this great group. Other songs from this group are, I Saw Her Again (video on Sunset Blvd), Twelve Thirty, Go Where You Wanna Go, Dedicated to the One I Live, Creeque Alley, California Dreamin’, Dream a Little Dream of Me, Words of Love. I think this should start you off. God Bless You. 😇
And beach boys !!
Hey Dani, TV Lip-Syncing came about in the exact opposite way. TV Studio Sound systems were designed for medium range mostly VERBAL MONO sound. Adequate for SPOKEN words but NO MATCH for the 1950s-1960s HIGH FIDELITY STEREO capabilities of the Record Company STUDIO setups. Quality STEREO TV did not become available until into the 1980s. I believe that Sometimes, Ed Sullivan used a combined technique of recording or using existing MUSIC tracks before the Tv broadcast - then having the artist LIVE SING just the vocal part and then broadcasting the combined sound - a good compromise for the mid-1960s
Great Channel..! -cheers : )
The AU day scaries! Haha I love that
You def come across as someone who’s have fit right in as a hippy
I could see you sitting on a blanket at Woodstock just catching all the vibes
As old as I am even I missed that generational opportunity as I was only 3 months old when Woodstock happened 🤣🤣🤣
Everybody hates Mondays: Boomtown Rats-"I Don't Like Mondays", Bangles-"Manic Monday", Carpenters-"Rainy Days and Mondays", etc., etc.
Always a pleasure when I get to see you.
Thanks for bringing a little sunshine to my Monday with this absolutely classic mamas and the Papas performance! I think I fell in love with Michelle Phillips after seeing this performance as a kid so much so that years later I wound up marrying a woman who had her face and Cass Elliot’s body. 😳It’s my birthday and this year it happens to fall on a Monday, I think I will treat myself to a movie and a session in psychoanalysis! 😂
Check the video of Jakob Dylan and Jane Castrinos in studio singiing "Go Where You Wannna Go." In the middle of the video, they do a nice perfect segue from the Dylan/ Castrinos / cover back to the original Mamas Papas version, (complete w/ film of M / P recording in studio.." ) At the end of the video...they reveal Michelle Phillips sitting in the control room of the Dylan / Castrinos / cover and Michelle's reaction to it.
I think you'd really enjoy the song "I'd Like to Get to Know You" by Spanky and Our Gang, also The 5th Dimension "Stone Soul Picnic"
Number one record way back in 1966. ♥️🎼🎵🎶🇨🇦
Never really listened to much of the mamas and papas , but I like that song. Good job Dani. Oh and by the way you should really listen to Elvis “without love “ if you do react to it do the one where he’s on a horse signing autographs at Graceland. Thanks , I know you will love it.
Hey Dani, IF YOU WANT TO REACT to some 60's "Sunshine-Pop", here are my two recommendations,
both by The Turtles: "You Baby" & "She'd Rather be With Me" -cheers
Thanks Dani for bring me update on some facts either I don't know about. So thanks!
Speaking, as you were, of "California Dreamin'", you might want to check out an incredibly beautiful cover of it that was put out by , to the surprise of many people, Queen Latifah. She put out a collection of classics under her real name, "Dana Owens". I highly recommend it!
Oh that'd be cool to watch! Thank you for the suggestion!
@@DaniAtkinson Hoping you enjoy! You can find it on "The Dana Owens Album"
Yes, you would have loved the flower power scene, I'm sure. Please listen to Donovan on "Sunshine Superman", "Season of the Witch", "The Fat Angel", "Atlantis", or "Catch the Wind". Other Mamas and Papas good tunes are "The Dancing Bear", "I Saw Her Again", and "Dedicated to the One I Love".
Try their songs"California Dreamin', 'Dedicated to the One I love', ' Twelve Thirty" , 'Words of Love", and of course, their autobiographical song of their own story sung by them which is rare to hear a group do, called 'Creeque Alley"
Creeque (pronounced creaky) Alley is a real place, one of a series of alleys (actually named Creeque's Alley and owned by the Creeque family) in the Virgin Islands.
In the song 'Creeque Alley',
They are telling the (autobiographical) story of how they formed so they are talking about each of them and other singers/groups they were in, associated with, or friends with. Folk Music is where Michelle and John Phillips came out of in the early sixties. "John and Mitchy were gettin' kind of itchy Just to leave the folk music behind". Next lyric refers to Denny Doherty and Zal Yanovsky trying to make it big, get gigs, record made, recording contracts, anything: "Zal and Denny workin' for a penny Tryin' to get a fish on the line" "In a coffee house Sebastian sat
And after every number they'd pass the hat" refers to how John Sebastian, who wasn't a member of the Mamas and Papas, started out, as many folk singers did in the fifties and sixties. Song's lyrics: "McGuinn and McGuire couldn't get any higher, but that's what they were aiming at. Doesn't refers to drugs as much as aiming to reach the heights of music popularity and also a play on the Bryd's hit song "Eight Miles High'. 'McGinn' refers to Roger McGuinn, the lead singer of the pop/folk group 'The Byrds'. McGuire' refers to singer Barry McGuire who had some big hits in the mid-sixties, especially 'Eve of Destruction'. Example of the meaning of lyrics in the song: "Zally said Denny, you know there aren't many Who can sing a song the way that you do, let's go south Denny said Zally, golly, don't you think that I wish I could play guitar like you", refers Zal Yanovsky and Denny Doherty getting together, then joined by John Sebastian, "Zal, Denny and Sebastian sat (at the Night Owl) And after every number they'd pass the hat" was the three yound men trying to make it big before Denny met Cass Elliot and she joined the three guys. "When Denny met Cass he gave her love bumps..." (she was infatuated with him)..."Call John and Zal and that was the Mugwumps..." (The Mugwumps were a 1960s folk rock band, based in New York City. It released one self-titled album in 1967 and two singles. The Mugwumps found little success during their short time together in 1964, and are best known for launching the careers of Cass Elliot and Denny Doherty and John Sebastian and Zal Yanovsky who made up the group the Mugwumps, pronounced 'MUG-wamps', as in it rhymns with 'swamps'. After the group's breakup, Denny Doherty went on to team with Michelle ad John Phillips while John Sebastian and Za Yanovsky formed their group 'The Lovin' Spoonful'.... Hence the song's lyrics in Creeque Alley: "...Sebastian and Zal formed the (Lovin') Spoonful..Michelle, John (Phillips), and Denny gettin' very tuneful..." The writer of the song, John Phillips, takes some poetic licensein lyrics like "When Cass was a sophomore, planned to go to Swarthmore, But she changed her mind one day. Standin' on the turnpike, thumb out to hitchhike Take me to New York right away..." Cass Elliot hadn't ever planned to go to Swarthmore College but she did want to go to New York City.
You mention that this song was classified as "sunshine pop". I had never heard that phrase before but when I thought about it, another 60's group, The 5th Dimension, came to mind. You should do a reaction to them. They have had many very popular songs like: "Aquarius/Let the Sun Shine In" (from the musical Hair), Up-Up and Away, Stoned Soul Picnic, Wedding Bell Blues and One Less Bell to Answer, among many more. My favorite is one of their lesser known songs: "Love's Lines Angles and Rhymes" released in 1971 and was mostly a solo by Marilyn McCoo. I think it would be a great reaction for you for you to do. Keep up the great reactions.
Sagittarius "Another Time" and The Millennium "Begin" albums w/ Curt Boettcher and Gary Usher as producers: good examples of Sunshine Rock / Pop.
Cass Elliot was very underutilized and underappreciated. A truly angelic singer. Thank you Dani
They had some great songs. Spanky and our gang is a similar group with great harmonies
It is not Monday morning we need to watch out for, it's Monday evening that gives us no guarantee, LOL!
He left on a Monday morning, and his woman left him sometime during the day. She was gone when he came home. He was devastated. That's the story of the song.
Another very good song by the group is "Go Where You Wanna Go." If you check it out, you won't be sorry. It was just redone by Jakob Dylan as part of his tribute to the Laurel Canyon sound.
Highly recommend their song "Twelve Thirty (Young Girls Coming to the Canyon)" which deals with the scene surrounding Laurel Canyon. The song is used in Tarantino's "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood." The movie also uses a cover of "California Dreamin'" by Jose Feliciano. ruclips.net/video/c0JUSzh-YVs/видео.html
what made The Beatles so surprising is that when they appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show they sang live, not synced. Unfortunately, it was the TV execs that so often insisted on lip syncing so that -- as you pointed out -- the 'live' version would BE the recorded hit version
MaMA Cass dance move came from the surfer culture called "The Surfer Stomp".
Cass’ footwork was very popular in those days. BTW There’s a YT vid of them in concert at Monterey Pop Festival. They’re excellent live.
Awesome
Here are some from the Mamas and Papas
The Mamas & The Papas "Creeque Alley" on The Ed Sullivan Show
The Mamas & the Papas - Dedicated To The One I Love
The Mamas & The Papas "Words Of Love" on The Ed Sullivan Show
The Mamas & The Papas "Twelve Thirty" on The Ed Sullivan Show
By the way, Dani, Michelle Phillips had an affair with Roman Polanski. Roman was Sharon Tate's husband! After the Manson family murdered Sharon and those in the Polanski home, Roman accused John of having something to do with the murders because of the affair he had with Michelle. John was no saint either. He, allegedly, had an affair with his own daughter for 10 years, Mackenzie Phillips. Mackenzie Phillips was the older sister to Valerie Bertinelli on the TV sitcom, One Day at a Time
John Philips (guitar player above) was famous for his songwriting and his harmony structures. Mama Cass was the last person to join the group. She came aboard because she could sing the harmony part that John Philips was looking for.
John Philips joked that Mama Cass originally couldn't hit the notes he wanted and hesitated bringing her into the group. Then she was literally hit on the head (I forgot how) and suddenly hit the notes. She was in the group.
Back then most of the shows artists performed on required lip syncing. The artist themselves were usually not happy about it. In fact, some artists deliberately moved their mouths wrong to call attention to it.
Hey Dani, more Mamas And The Papas eh? Groovy that mate. Fab indeed. Beautiful harmonies also. Fun facts: Mama Cass was originally not allowed to join the band because of her weight. John Phillips thought she would turn off the fans. While on a trip to the Virgin Islands back in 1968 I believe, Mama Cass got hit in the head by a pipe. But the crazy thing is this weird accident improved Cass’ vocal ability by 3 notes. This crazy folk band soon ended up shagging each other, which caused no end of stupid dramas for them.👍🇦🇺🤪
If you are resonating with The Mamas and Papas, I highly recommend The Beach Boys: Wouldn't it Be Nice 😄✌️
I've Recorded a few covers of the beach boys myself haha 👍
One sure way to spot lip syncing is when you see them singing without microphones. 😂😂
"Here in my arms" by Mamas and Papas is awesome check it out!
Lip synching wasnt used as a technique. It's just that ON TV they didnt do live performances. But that was the tv shows idea. I dont know why. Ed Sullivan was all live, but it was done in a theatre. The others were done in studios .
The sound of this video is so amazing. It really brings out the voices. These 4 are great to listen acapella . This was almost that .
Michelle had the quintessential hippy look. She looks almost like you .
THEIR OTHER DAUGHTER MAKENZIE PHILLIPS WAS THE OLDER DAUGHTER ON THE T,V, SHOW ONE DAY AT A TIME ,,,I BELIEVE SHE WAS IN A BAND AS WELL
It was always rumored that Mama Cass died by choking on a ham sandwich
Hey Dani Girl,love your video reactions, please do a video reaction on their song, which is sung by Mama Cass, and that is "Words of Love" its my favorite of theirs.....thanks......................
Dani - Although it is true that there was a lot of lip syncing on tv shows - it is also true that there was a significant amount of Live singing performances as well!! Just seek them out!
Good Reaction, as usual, Dani though it has not cheered me up to look after the lead singer: Denny Doherty who passed away at 67 years of age, which is not only my current age but I have just gone past the number of days he lived this month which is chilling considering how great I feel...
I already knew John and Mama Cass were no longer with us...
Check out a live performance at the Monterey Pop Festival: ruclips.net/video/-2JMrRraJwc/видео.html
Monday morning is a metaphor for the very beginning/hope of a romantic relationship, and could not guarantee that Monday evening(shortly into it) it would still be there.
macensie phillips was johns daughter too
Dani, can you please react to dancing in the Street by these guys if you haven't already
I was singing this song last night 😊 then you react to it. So connected ?💕
Wow!! Really?!
michelle was married to john, cass was in love with denny. john caught michelle and denny together. that crushed cass, and eventually split up john and michelle. the song written by john- i saw her again last nighte- was written about denny and michelles affair. he made denny sing the lead as revenge- just one big happy family
If you would like to hear Michelle sing lead on a Mamas & Papas song then listen to "Dedicated to the One I Love". Michelle was a good singer, but she was not on the same level as Cass.
A Cass related song to give a listen to is John Denver & Cass Elliot singing "Leaving on a Jet Plane", on The Midnight Special. There is a short section at the begging where Cass talks about getting people to register and vote in the upcoming election.
A Cass song is "Dream a Little Dream of Me".
Michelle and John. John is the taller one playing guitar. Denny Doherty is the lead vocalist. Michelle and Denny had an affair. Plus Cass had a crush on Denny but it wasn’t reciprocated so, there was a lot of relationship drama going on in the band. John and Denny wrote a great song called “I saw her again last night” about the affair, you can listen to it here: m.ruclips.net/video/4vaIBZCLUQU/видео.html
Listen to "I saw her again"
The mama's and papa's did not lip sync california dreamin on the ed sillivan show. Acts were not allowed to lip sync on the dd sullivan show on the mid 60s. But later they did start allowing videos.
Right Speaker Cannel only?
Hi Boogie Dani another good song also Creague Alley is a good one to do. Also lip synching has been around for decades. Well also Cass wanted to leave the group to do her own thing as a solo artist besides Michelle and her little escapade. Anyway have a good day!
Television sound quality was poor for many years that is why a lot of shows featuring music was lip synched.
It's not that so much as the fact that most TV shows didn't want the time-consuming (and therefore expensive) hassle. Musical sequences in feature films had almost always been mimed to a pre-recorded track so it was a logical step to do the same for TV.
Dani. Maybe you could do a reaction to a solo hit by (MAMA)Cass Elliot . . . "Dream A Little Dream Of Me". This might also be a good song for you to do a cover on(?)
Also Cass Elliot's other releases, "It's Getting Better" and "Make Your Own Kind Of Music" and "New World Coming".
This is only playing on one channel that's why the vocal sound so loud you can't hear the music
Yes married to the guitar player affair with the singer , bur they didn't split immediately ( they had kids ) but he wrote a aong about it as revenge ( i saw her again)
should of had a clip of michell. singing.
Don't feel so bad that you didn't know about the familial connections. A lady talk show host who is also a country singer (can't remember her name) didn't know it either until she did background on the Wilson Phillips' group before having them on her show.
I gave my M & P reccos in your previous post. Never really liked this one much, not sure why. The vocal tracks seem to overwhelm everything on this clip, a bad mix, but the arrangement is characteristically powerful. I forgot to mention another of their great songs, 'Dancing Bear,' a solo performance by Denny with an ambitious woodwind intro and outro. I read somewhere it was his personal favourite. Speaking of Denny, I wish he'd kept his damn head still. His movements are quite goofy. You don't see John doing that.
This is one time when I thought the studio version was much superior to this live rendition.
they aint lip syncing in this performance
Missing the instrumental track.
3:50
The chorus was overpowering the lead male singer a small tech mistake on your stereo otherwise a great song
I was thinking the same thing. The song is out of balance.
Yes hello it's me again hey there just getting up little while ago yes it's a nice song and they're at her songs isn't that a song you probably know what it is I Don't Like Mondays anyhow from Canada Toronto Scarborough Ontario from Carl's Supertramp Garnett God bless be safe have a nice day
Can you do our planet by Chris webby thanks. When you get the time too no rush
It's not "The" Wilson Phillips. It's "Wilson Phillips."
Lip syncing has been around for a LONG time. Most of the 60’s groups lip synced a lot of their TV performances just out of convenience.
They usually weren't allowed to do otherwise. Rare exceptions were German programmes like Beat Club. They had a lot of British Beat groups on and there are a lot of videos on this site which are the only records of the time of some groups/songs playing live.
that was the wrong clip,, thats jill gibson, not michell.
Nice! Please react to Angelina Jordan covers "California Dreamin", "I Put A Spell on you", and "Bohemian Rapsody" just to start. YOU WILL LOVE IT!! Thank you 😊
I believe she has reacted to angelina jordan's covers of two you mentioned!
It's easy to be with a chick all weekend but if she is still with you on Monday, well that's a different story.
the relationship between John and Michele just cant be reduced to she cheated on him-their relationship wasnt monogamous.. John Phillips also had a horrendous drug problem and used drugs with his then very young daughter MacKenzie Phillips (the TV/Movie actress) and as a result had an incestuous relationship with her which, obviously, messed her up pretty bad. At the height of his drug use, he was trafficking drugs and was arrested. He had some real issues.
I'm unaware of John having an affair while with the Mamas and Papas and I can't find a mention of it at Wikipedia. John's life took a turn for the worse after the group broke up in 1968-69, I think you will find that most if not all the problems you mention occurred after the group disbanded in the late 60s.
@@hongfang2508 wikipedia isnt likely the best place to get that type of info. There are plenty of articles about him. They arent hard to find. His marriage to Michelle was described as "open". While his problems were worse after the break up of the group, they were severe. He used a lot of drugs (as they all did) while the group was together and the magnitude of his actions/problems, before or after the break up, are such that they cant be dismissed because they occurred after the group broke up.
@@bopep1368 ---Michelle had a second affair with Gene Clark of the Byrds (after the affair with Doherty) and was kicked out of the group, later returning after her replacement was not up to the job.
So her second affair was enough to get her kicked out of the group, albeit briefly. If John was having affairs while the group was together, it was a big secret because I can find no mention of it.
@@hongfang2508 you arent looking then. Its pretty easy to find. This is from the first article I pulled up... " Phillips was also having affairs with other people! Nevertheless, he was furious when he found out about Michelle....and kicked Michelle out of the band" Why does it matter anyway?
@@bopep1368 ---I'm looking for accuracy. That's why it matters to me.
I googled John Phillips and open marriage and found this bit from a site called Grunge (never heard of it before). The bit I quote below says the Phillips had an open marriage AFTER Michelle's affair with Doherty.
According to Biography, the Phillipses' marriage would become fraught with troubles, which affected their band's dynamics. Michelle had an affair with bandmate Denny Dougherty (misspelled in article), which led to both a separation from John (and later an open marriage) and Michelle temporarily getting fired from the group. Their daughter, Chynna Phillips, was born in 1968, but a baby wasn't enough to keep them together, and they divorced in 1969.
There is something wrong with the clip. The music (Guitar etc.) is nearly gone....... Bad quality.
This version is not so good! Always go for the original studio version(not played in on the tv show...). You can't hear everything very well.
OK enjoy the music from my era. I do have one criticism. That is that you said you thought Elvis Presley's version of the Righteous Brothers classic hit "You've Lost that Lovin Feeling" was better than the Righteous Brothers. Wow, I get that you like Elvis, but do you know that the Righteous Brothers song was the most played on the radio of any song in the 20th century? This is beyond classic, one of the best recordings in history. Your judgement must be skewed in some strange way as Elvis was a pioneer of sorts and had many hits, but he never came close to the talent level of either Bill or Bobby. He was a tragic figure in a way devolving into almost a parody of himself. Sorry, but i won't bother watching any more of your reactions. Dave
Wow, that's the worst sounding video I've ever heard of that song. Whoever did the sound mix should be fired.