Agree. It's how they fix regular cars. Many times the makers of the car keep the info secret on how to service stuff. So you have to find out one way or the other.
Great video about EV life extending. What would be very interesting would be if Valdemar was able to break down elements of a repair like this, like cost taking down and installing battery again, cost of going over battery and replace lid/valves, and cost of replacing a module. Does this battery repair cost 40k, 60k, 80k or more ? (not with any discounts, what regular customer would pay) What I am looking for is, if you buy an old Model S, or a similar other car, you may have to haggle with seller as you will have to expect doing a job like this not to end up paying more than it is worth.
"Great video about EV life extending" Yes if you're mentally retarded enough to spend that kind of money, this is one reason people are weary of electric cars, that are older. I've got a VW id3 82 Kwh and that's my greatest fear if it dies after the warranty, there's no way I will spend the money on and older EV with less range and new electric car prices are gone insane so I'd probably go back to 2nd hand Prius or Diesel.
I understand that later battery packs, such as my 2016 90kWh, have a different design and are less susceptible to water ingress. Would be good to hear these guys talk about the different types of pack they've worked on the issues found. Some more great content.
VERY interesting video, I'm amazed by what these guys can do. We need more companies like this, dealerships can in best case only replace complete modules. But in some cases the mechanic doesn't even know the difference between DC and AC....
Failing bmb sensor 6? It's the one that sits on the bottom of the pack. It sits in water and corrodes. This was why Tesla changed the firmware in 2019.16. It compensates for this by reading the neighbouring cells and guesstimating the voltages. It should be a recall
@SladeBling Stop posting FUD on every single comment asking about this. The cost of this repair is not in the same league as replacing the entire pack with another one. Do you work for The Sun?
@@SladeBling For 20k you can put a very nice down payment on a Corolla, more than 50% or about 40% Prius Plug-In. With the tax credit that is 1/2 of a new base Tesla M3.
And haters say “after five years, the battery is dead and the car is a total loss“ 😂 Thanks for this video. It gives me confidence to drive my 2018 Model X for at least another five years.
I wonder how those unauthorised battery repairs affect car insurance as there have been a lot of reports of insurers writing off vehicles just due to battery cover damage without even inspecting the batter due to fire risk of damaged batteries.
Now I realized how important is your everyday perfect video and audio quality. This video has super important knowledge, and interesting stuff, but video-technically i miss Bjorn 😂
These repairs can last anywhere from 10 to 50tkm. Usually they just replace broken cells but rest of the battery is still old and next cell might die soon.
elbilmek guys have very distinctive lithuanian accent, as well as some employees :) speak lithuanian in the background, though they seem like they are real tesla pros
Hi, good to see that parts are sold by Tesla to independent repair shops, BTW being this one almost 10YO then if I'm not wrong the Maker is not anymore obliged to have spares available: ever experienced spares shortage?
@@SladeBling Stop posting FUD on every single comment asking about this. The cost of this repair is not in the same league as replacing the entire pack with another one. Do you work for The Sun?
Thanks Bjorn, really interesting video. For this type of repairs what is the price difference between that requested by Tesla and that requested by Ebilmek? In Italy I don't think there are workshops capable of carrying out these repairs, is it worth going all the way to Norway? Here in Italy electric cars are still only 4%.
Hope you realise, Bjorn. That the Sun is generally hated in the UK, more so in some areas than others. Hopefully I don't have to see their logo on your videos much longer.
Great video, thanks but you should put proper protective gloves on next time you walk around HV platform. It all looks safe until it doesn't. You don't stand a chance against 400V DC.
@@SladeBling Lier! The cost is only a fraction. Explain me where uncle Elon touched you when you were a kid... Imagine hating on a certain item or brand - Like a little toddler
@@logitech4873this dude clearly hears only what he wants to hear…so doesn’t matter how many times you ask him for currency, he won’t say, because he loves his diesel car…😂😂😂
@@logitech4873 just to nitpick: It's lower-case k for kilo, and it's from Greek... it's part of the Systeme International (SI), which did indeed originate (in large part) in France. ;-) It would be nice to know the price of this repair, at least a ballpark figure, though 20kNOK doesn't seem unrealistic given that they just replaced a couple of PCBs and covers, plus the "umbrellas". I'm led to believe Tesla will charge 3-5kNOK just to drop the battery pack and remount it, but they do charge a fairly high hourly rate. I've bought a few parts from Tesla for DIY repairs, and so far prices have been quite reasonable.
In Europe, during the winter, they disperse salt in snowy roads to make them drivable. I do not know if this is the practice in Norway, however, could this be a factor for all this rusting and what is Tesla’s protection design engineering if driving in salty environment? Could somebody wash the EV underneath with fresh water to prevent salt from residing in battery pack cavities? Thanks.
I think those valves are a design flaw. As Bjorn said in a previous video Tesla reduced them in later versions. But in my opinion they shouldn't have made a hole in the the metal at all. Just weakening the material, like the top of an electrolytic capacitor, that it acts as a burst disk.
It is for allowing air to expand and contract with temperature. In Norway it can be -40c in winter and supercharging in summer the battery can be 50c+. A better solution was to have a bladder, but rubber also degrades over time.
It seems like these older Tesla Model S battery packs are relatively easy to repair and maintain. But what about other car brands/manufacturers? Which EVs are easily maintainable/repairable, and which are not? As the used / out of warranty EV market grows, it would be nice to know these things.
All ore many of the car makes use battery modules. So even if the actual cells go bad, you could replace one or more modules, and not the whole pack. Using modules also makes it easier to have different size packs, using a certain number of modules, same modules. In this case it was some electronic boards not being waterproof.
@@iaintdonknow The 20k would mean full pack replacement with a 90kwh pack, which would increase the range quite a bit from a degraded 85 pack. Probably not worth it, though.
Nice review and really good you kind of look at the hardware ( driving, komfort, charging ) and the software. And you do not let the not so ready Xpilot interfere with your judgement of the other things. :-)
So... The electronic modules boards are affected by water. So they could just cover them with resin and call it a day. Probably those boards are not fixed anyways. Maybe it's how they already do it.
A little anticlimactic end, we need to see the car drive. Test acceleration/battery degradation etc. What's the impact on a service like this - also add the amount of hours/materials spent, so we get a rough idea of what a service like this can cost. As you said, Tesla is scaring people away from the old models with their crazy prices.
Too expensive to be honestly revealed. May be a new battery is more relevant and in that case the aim of this is only to demonstrate it can be repaired and more sustainable. Economically speaking, it sucks.
@@nanterre38 I doubt that - could simply be that they weren't comfortable revealing what their customer would be paying, or even that they asked and the customer didn't want them to talk about it.
Rust???, the car is not all aluminum. Bad electronics??? No way, Tesla is the best of the best. No swapping no problem; the battery should last forever, never dies. Tesla will never need repairs so that's why Tesla has structural battery for all new cars.
All cars have parts that wear over time, and rubber and plastics are very common failure points. This is the reason Tesla does reseals on some of the oldest models before the warranty runs out.
Funny thing )))) Wow impressive ))) Brakes like new. Ok let me have a comment ))) One of my cars - Land Cruiser 2014. No one repair except a braking pads... if we talk about brakes ))) So nothing impressive in that aspect really.))
It opened my eyes how scary it is to buy a used EV from snowy altitudes. The car value hangs on the longevity of those seals. There is also lots of custom electronics inside, the price of each is higher every year because of its unavailability. I have a 10 years Prius but looking at this, I wouldn't trade it for a 10 year EV of any maker.
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Good to see that EV's could be repaired in workshops, well done 👍
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The Sun will hate this video lol. I love the thumbnail haha
It's going to be interesting to see car repair shops around the world learn these new techniques or fade away into obscurity.
Superb - great to see the knowledge being gained by independent EV specialists!
Agree. It's how they fix regular cars. Many times the makers of the car keep the info secret on how to service stuff. So you have to find out one way or the other.
Great video about EV life extending. What would be very interesting would be if Valdemar was able to break down elements of a repair like this, like cost taking down and installing battery again, cost of going over battery and replace lid/valves, and cost of replacing a module. Does this battery repair cost 40k, 60k, 80k or more ? (not with any discounts, what regular customer would pay)
What I am looking for is, if you buy an old Model S, or a similar other car, you may have to haggle with seller as you will have to expect doing a job like this not to end up paying more than it is worth.
"Great video about EV life extending"
Yes if you're mentally retarded enough to spend that kind of money, this is one reason people are weary of electric cars, that are older.
I've got a VW id3 82 Kwh and that's my greatest fear if it dies after the warranty, there's no way I will spend the money on and older EV with less range and new electric car prices are gone insane so I'd probably go back to 2nd hand Prius or Diesel.
70-80K
I understand that later battery packs, such as my 2016 90kWh, have a different design and are less susceptible to water ingress.
Would be good to hear these guys talk about the different types of pack they've worked on the issues found. Some more great content.
I was hoping to see the cost of the repair. Also Interesting to interview Marcus one time. Fascinating guy
@@SladeBlingeuros ?
Also very interested in cost to see how it compares to Tesla. Do they offer a mobile service covering the UK?!
USA tesla 13-23k$
It would be great to hear from the technicians their thoughts on the maintainability of different makes and models.
Thank you :)
It would be interessant to know the range of the battery now, and the price of repair ...
VERY interesting video, I'm amazed by what these guys can do. We need more companies like this, dealerships can in best case only replace complete modules. But in some cases the mechanic doesn't even know the difference between DC and AC....
Most mechanics I know won't touch auto electrics.
Love these “fixing videos” Gives me hope, as a Tesla owner
EVClinic from croatia say they are the easiest to repair, cell level.
Failing bmb sensor 6? It's the one that sits on the bottom of the pack. It sits in water and corrodes. This was why Tesla changed the firmware in 2019.16. It compensates for this by reading the neighbouring cells and guesstimating the voltages. It should be a recall
Failure on them by not changing sensor, accelerating degradation. Another planned obsolescence.
So awesome, and inspiring for EV owners! Great job all around by all involved. 👍🏼
Impressive.
What was the price for this job?
What was included in the re-sealing? Did they change contactors?
@@SladeBling Insane, I'd rather buy and old diesel than repair an EV battery for that cost.
@SladeBling Stop posting FUD on every single comment asking about this. The cost of this repair is not in the same league as replacing the entire pack with another one. Do you work for The Sun?
@@o00scorpion00ono accounting for taste.
@@o00scorpion00o unlike Murica, Europe have environmental regulation of Euro 7 soon.
@@SladeBling
For 20k you can put a very nice down payment on a Corolla, more than 50% or about 40% Prius Plug-In. With the tax credit that is 1/2 of a new base Tesla M3.
And haters say “after five years, the battery is dead and the car is a total loss“ 😂
Thanks for this video. It gives me confidence to drive my 2018 Model X for at least another five years.
I wonder how those unauthorised battery repairs affect car insurance as there have been a lot of reports of insurers writing off vehicles just due to battery cover damage without even inspecting the batter due to fire risk of damaged batteries.
XLNT work! Repair done right is quite a sight. 😎👍
Love how each video thumbnail takes the piss out of The Sun. They deserve nothing less
great work! We are entering the times, that a regular workshop can repair an advanced EV tech car.
I hope more shops like this one will show up soon, then a tesla out of warranty wouldn't be so scary
Now I realized how important is your everyday perfect video and audio quality. This video has super important knowledge, and interesting stuff, but video-technically i miss Bjorn 😂
Bjørn how much did that costs? Wil be cool if they can say a ca price of the cost.
important part missing.. how well did the battery charge and perform after the repair?? And what is the cost of the repair?
These repairs can last anywhere from 10 to 50tkm. Usually they just replace broken cells but rest of the battery is still old and next cell might die soon.
So, the battery was all right but the BMS had some problems due to moisture ingress?
elbilmek guys have very distinctive lithuanian accent, as well as some employees :) speak lithuanian in the background, though they seem like they are real tesla pros
I thought that too! The tv also has lithuanian ads
Valdermar also might be lithuanian?
Bjonr, need a follow up on this. How is the car after the repair, what was the full cost.
Battery deg test compared to Millennium Falcon would be really interesting
Hi, good to see that parts are sold by Tesla to independent repair shops, BTW being this one almost 10YO then if I'm not wrong the Maker is not anymore obliged to have spares available: ever experienced spares shortage?
How much did the resealing and new print parts cost. Just roughly
@@SladeBling Stop posting FUD on every single comment asking about this. The cost of this repair is not in the same league as replacing the entire pack with another one. Do you work for The Sun?
@@SladeBling NOK
6800 eur
Thanks Bjorn, really interesting video. For this type of repairs what is the price difference between that requested by Tesla and that requested by Ebilmek? In Italy I don't think there are workshops capable of carrying out these repairs, is it worth going all the way to Norway? Here in Italy electric cars are still only 4%.
so what do you mean with a little money in this case?
US it costs just to remove and water proof reinstall is about 4500$ every else extra.How long these hold up after Repair?
Hope you realise, Bjorn. That the Sun is generally hated in the UK, more so in some areas than others. Hopefully I don't have to see their logo on your videos much longer.
Great video, thanks but you should put proper protective gloves on next time you walk around HV platform. It all looks safe until it doesn't. You don't stand a chance against 400V DC.
Price?
This "The Sun" thumbnail comedy titles are getting crazy 😂😂
Price of repair please!!
What is the price though?
what is the battery degradation after the service?
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👍🏽 very interesting, how EVs can be repaired
This was so cool, glad to see it repaired.
How much did this repair cost, please?
@@SladeBling Lier! The cost is only a fraction. Explain me where uncle Elon touched you when you were a kid... Imagine hating on a certain item or brand - Like a little toddler
where does he say 10-20k? You just made that up@@SladeBling
@@logitech4873this dude clearly hears only what he wants to hear…so doesn’t matter how many times you ask him for currency, he won’t say, because he loves his diesel car…😂😂😂
@@logitech4873 just to nitpick: It's lower-case k for kilo, and it's from Greek... it's part of the Systeme International (SI), which did indeed originate (in large part) in France. ;-)
It would be nice to know the price of this repair, at least a ballpark figure, though 20kNOK doesn't seem unrealistic given that they just replaced a couple of PCBs and covers, plus the "umbrellas". I'm led to believe Tesla will charge 3-5kNOK just to drop the battery pack and remount it, but they do charge a fairly high hourly rate. I've bought a few parts from Tesla for DIY repairs, and so far prices have been quite reasonable.
Think many want to know the price of fixing
He is trolling. There was similar video earlier with prices iirc. Was few thousand euros, cant remember exactly
Bjorn already replied, around 6800 eur
This is the best content. It would be nice to see more videos with Elbilmek.
Early models had the airco drain on top of the battery, close to that lid, resulting in it to rust
Would like to work for them or start the same quality business in Austria 🇦🇹 to show the people the power and resilience of electric cars (:
In Europe, during the winter, they disperse salt in snowy roads to make them drivable. I do not know if this is the practice in Norway, however, could this be a factor for all this rusting and what is Tesla’s protection design engineering if driving in salty environment? Could somebody wash the EV underneath with fresh water to prevent salt from residing in battery pack cavities? Thanks.
I think those valves are a design flaw. As Bjorn said in a previous video Tesla reduced them in later versions. But in my opinion they shouldn't have made a hole in the the metal at all. Just weakening the material, like the top of an electrolytic capacitor, that it acts as a burst disk.
It is for allowing air to expand and contract with temperature. In Norway it can be -40c in winter and supercharging in summer the battery can be 50c+. A better solution was to have a bladder, but rubber also degrades over time.
I am very interested to know if Model 3 batteries have known issues.
How much did they charge for the battery fix / refurbishment?
There a guy in NZ showing a strip down of a BYD Atto3 battery on RUclips, lots of rivets and glue. Looks like it’d be terrible to work on.
What would this normally cost ?
@@SladeBling where are you getting this price form other than the quote Tesla gave the previous owner?
Incorrect. It was 80k NOK
6800 eur for EU viewers
It seems like these older Tesla Model S battery packs are relatively easy to repair and maintain. But what about other car brands/manufacturers? Which EVs are easily maintainable/repairable, and which are not? As the used / out of warranty EV market grows, it would be nice to know these things.
Old Leaf batteries are probably even easier.
I wouldn't necessarily say "easy". Not all people may have a specalist nearby that can do the work.
I work for VW Group.. the batteries are all easily repairable..
All ore many of the car makes use battery modules. So even if the actual cells go bad, you could replace one or more modules, and not the whole pack. Using modules also makes it easier to have different size packs, using a certain number of modules, same modules.
In this case it was some electronic boards not being waterproof.
That start to the video was awesome 😂
What's the price for a repair like that? And how much would Tesla charge?
Tesla is 20k
@@iaintdonknow EUR? NUK? $$? Glass beads?
@@iaintdonknow The 20k would mean full pack replacement with a 90kwh pack, which would increase the range quite a bit from a degraded 85 pack. Probably not worth it, though.
@@tschuuuls486 good point, you might be way better informed, but Tesla only replaces batteries, and they wouldn't do such a repair, as far as I know.
@@iaintdonknow They do such repairs, since most replacement packs are refurbished ones.
Nice review and really good you kind of look at the hardware ( driving, komfort, charging ) and the software. And you do not let the not so ready Xpilot interfere with your judgement of the other things. :-)
Jeg bo i norge og har tesla s modell . Hvordan jeg kan kontakte deg til å reparere min bil ?
so, how much?
Can they upgrade old battery to higher capacity battery?
Whats the degredation of millenium falcon now?
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@@bjornnyland is this after repair?
Thanks, very nice video.
So... The electronic modules boards are affected by water. So they could just cover them with resin and call it a day. Probably those boards are not fixed anyways. Maybe it's how they already do it.
I have the first question everyone thinks of. How much?
A little anticlimactic end, we need to see the car drive. Test acceleration/battery degradation etc. What's the impact on a service like this - also add the amount of hours/materials spent, so we get a rough idea of what a service like this can cost. As you said, Tesla is scaring people away from the old models with their crazy prices.
Could someone explain what the umbrellas are please- mentioned at about 9.00 minutes, Cheers!!
They're basically valves to let the battery breathe
@@justinholding02 So it gets hot, pressure inside increases they open up to release pressure etc-cheers
Very interesting ...more videos like this please.😊😊
Hi can tell you that our VW ID 3 just have one modul chanced, cost all incl. 5750 euro. So it is a expensive repair for sure.
Interesting. How many battery modules has the ID3 in total if you say one has been replaced? Thanks
@@sunseeker-yb5qt 9 modules for the version we have ID 3, 58 kw. Every modul cost each ca. 2800 euro plus danish tax 25 percent.
@@Flem56 thanks a lot for the info👍. Hopefully this gets cheaper in a few years.
Why is your ID3 out of warranty?
@@Tschacki_Quackilonge story short it was made on VW varranty I just saw the Bill from the AUDI Ev place that managed it.
Bjorn, when will you range test the "1000 km" range Zeekr 001???
Once I get to borrow one.
Great! Love the videos AND the new house, congrats 🎉
Polak potrafi.. 😊
Have they fixed a model 3 battery yet? 🤔⚡️🔋
@@Psi-Storm my memory of Munro's teardown is a little hazy, but I think all the PCBs are accessible and outside the foam/glue surrounding the cells.
You must keep the Sun slander on!
I live in a warm dry climate so i don't think such issues would be commonplace here.
Fascinating:)
Car mechanics are going to have to become electro mechanics. I can see it being extremely lucrative to the ones who make the transition.
Bjorn come on man share the costs
Too expensive to be honestly revealed. May be a new battery is more relevant and in that case the aim of this is only to demonstrate it can be repaired and more sustainable. Economically speaking, it sucks.
@@nanterre38 I doubt that - could simply be that they weren't comfortable revealing what their customer would be paying, or even that they asked and the customer didn't want them to talk about it.
80k NOK
Way cheaper than I thought@@bjornnyland
Very interesting
Thank you for fixing up the Tesla
I can't believe that there are corrosional Parts outside the battery. Didn't they know about alluminium....
The defective part was inside the battery unit, but not one battery cell. The cells are still working fine in a 9 y/o Tesla. That's speaks tor itself.
will we see degradation test with this car?
It might not be that bad after all these repairs
Maybe if Marcusbil buys it, but otherwise my guess would be "no".
unfortunately the interesting part is missing, how to open/diagnose the battery
I mean, Elbilmek needs to keep their buisness going ;)
Just FYI, 20k NOK is less than $1,800
No bjorn 😮
No Bjørn or "No, Bjørn"?
@@bjornnyland No Bjørn
Rust???, the car is not all aluminum. Bad electronics??? No way, Tesla is the best of the best. No swapping no problem; the battery should last forever, never dies. Tesla will never need repairs so that's why Tesla has structural battery for all new cars.
how about degradation?
I am sorry Bjorn but it is better than you do 😂❤
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Is that a sign of bad hull design from Tesla? A leaking batterypack? Should not have happend unless punctured in some way.
All cars have parts that wear over time, and rubber and plastics are very common failure points. This is the reason Tesla does reseals on some of the oldest models before the warranty runs out.
Great vid, another 100,000kms+
Tesla could put a bit more effort into making these things repairable. Removing the entire pack to replace one circuit board is quite excessive.
Like ICE cars, dealerships do not "repair" they "replace".
A Sun reader wouldn’t have the attention span to watch this.
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Repairs like this wouldn't be possible any more on the newer Tesla models and their disposable batteries
You can't replace circuit boards on the new batteries?
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom Seems like not.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom They are potted in a very dense foam. I mean you could scrape it out, not sure if that would be worth it.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom they're not designed to be fixed anymore.. and they're also part of the car's structure, thus making it even more difficult..
Newer Teslas do not have those problems in the first place.
Funny thing )))) Wow impressive ))) Brakes like new. Ok let me have a comment ))) One of my cars - Land Cruiser 2014. No one repair except a braking pads... if we talk about brakes ))) So nothing impressive in that aspect really.))
It opened my eyes how scary it is to buy a used EV from snowy altitudes. The car value hangs on the longevity of those seals. There is also lots of custom electronics inside, the price of each is higher every year because of its unavailability. I have a 10 years Prius but looking at this, I wouldn't trade it for a 10 year EV of any maker.
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