How on Earth could you think any Palestinian would thank the IDF for indiscriminately bombing them??? I agree with commenters below, this guy is delusional. He may know a lot about the battles he was in, but he seems to know very little about this one.
Because he cant say what he thinks. he thinks this is the worst shit show for the IDF and mostly self caused. poor intel, poor response, terrible optics from the world
I was in Iraq in 2006, and it was an absolute shit-show. I lost any scrap of respect I had for humans that year. We gave people money for various vile things, and it's pretty common. We ABSOLUTELY destroyed that place, and very, very few people were happy we were there, from what I could tell. I rarely tell people I was there, as I'm so fucking disgusted by being part of it. I got my helmet, medal, and other bits, and I keep them in a box, under the bed Jocko's a good guy, but I can't defend the military like he does. Granted, I only did 5 years as a grunt, but, I got the general idea what we were there for REALLY
Comparing Israel/Gaza to Iraq is pretty absurd. One major difference is that the US wasnt trying to eject Iraqis off their land and occupy it as US territory
@@tallflguyThat's different because local people support Hamas and protect them. Two, most people who saw videos of IDF claim conquered Northern Gaza where it pissed off local people.
The idea that Gazans are talking to IDF saying "thank you for coming in" when they're killing infinitely more civilians than hamas is just crazy. He has no idea what he's talking about. He has not seen what they've done.
If he had the same experience that I did in the North, the locals welcomed the Fedayeen/ FRLs, welcomed the US, welcomed al Qaeda, welcomed the US again, welcomed Daesh, welcomed the Hash'd al Shaabi/ PMF... they're a very welcoming people! Saager should talk to a Combat Advisor and COIN SME, not a SOF guy (although at least he's talking to a *decision-making* member of a Tier 2 SOF element).
Jocko the psycho didn't know Hamas planned for years and executed one of the best military raid in recent history.. And of course they know how the Nazi Zionist Jews would react.. 💯💯
Hamas won’t let them leave son. Do you get that? Hamas is a terrorist organization whose purpose is to kill all the Jews. Israel gave them ample time to leave. But Hamas uses them as human shields. So yes it’s tragic absolutely. But Israel want to eliminate Hamas fighters…..Hamas wants to eliminate all the Jews and……..US. Where did you get lost?
The only reason Israel is now trying to “reduce” civilian casualties is because public opinion is turning against them. The mask is off and the world is seeing Israel for what it really is. Jews who grow up in Israel are indoctrinated to hate all Arabs. Most of the IDF soldiers have no sympathy for the Palestinians. And the comparison between coalition forces in Iraq to IDF is completely 💩. Israel is the occupier. They are the reason Palestinians are suffering and rightfully angry. The Israeli occupation predates the existence of Hamas.
@@ATCrogerwilco Jocko specifically pointed out that Israel previous had a doctrine of all were combatants to the point where they wouldn’t try to rescue hostages…. That’s kinda the opposite there chief and they may have started to shift but the boat for reputation sailed after doing that for like 20+ years.
Jocko’s Gaza take is quite delusional, unfortunately. The analogy with Iraq does not work here. Prior to or after October 7, there is ZERO chance Israel will have rapport with Gazans. Also, “my child was in the wrong place at the wrong time”….. that is hilarious.
Exactly! This guy is probably one of the DUMBEST people I’ve ever come across. No wonder why America was DEFEATED in every war he served. He doesn’t have any logic whatsoever.
Exactly- a better analogy would be if the Nazis did a Holocaust Lite and mowed the grass in the Warsaw ghetto over a generation. Would Jock-O suggest that the nazis build a rapport with the jews? At the same time that they were exterminating them?
@@nightbrokerhis points are valid but it’s too late for them to be implemented here. There’s historical harm and just too much mistrust. And IsNotReal already murdered 20k of Palestinian being in the wrong place aka their house, church, school, hospital
Yo he really said Palestinians are "probably saying 'THANK YOU FOR COMING IN' to Israeli soldiers"... Tell me you know nothing about Israel-Palestine without telling me...
22:24 The populous are not a fan of either qassam or idf. They're sick of the fighting. They want the oppression to end, the seige to end, young lives not destroyed with back and forth violence. The idf doesn't care about the injured, they leave them to perish. These two guys are so naive. Israel doesn't want Gaza to have walmarts and other good things. They don't want the co-mingling. They want the arabs to go away and take over the whole area for themselves only. The moment they stop the settements, unlawfully detaining kids without charge, stop harrassing people in the west back, east jerusalem and Gaza... qassam goes away cause there is no need for them. There needs to be political solution, one person-one vote, equal rights and same level of self-determination in order to move forward as a people. From river to sea, everyone should be free.
Clearly you know nothing about human psychology. Most people operate in survival mode. Once Hamas starts to he eradicated. The power in Gaza will be the IDF. Therefore the people will start to align with the new power in the area. Thus they will start acting nice and kind in order to win favour. It’s survival instincts. They probably still hate the IDF and Israel - depending on the person - regardless they will try to survive by being kind. It is a manipulation tactic to survive.
Yeah. After being a prisoner since 1948, being tortured, expropriated, moved around and robbed of dignity, close relatives, let alone any material possession, a young Palestinian would certainly approach Israeli soldiers with a bouquet of flowers and say out loud "thank you for saving me from the bad guys".
When Jocko says that in his experience he’s found , “for every one terrorist you kill, you’ve created 5 more” to not be true (though he also says he hasn’t found it untrue either) doesn’t apply to Palestine. It sounds like he had a good rapport with the local population and they at least understood that he was attempting to not kill innocents. Palestinians don’t have a good rapport with Israel. I think it’s safe to say a good amount HATE Israel. Not because they’re terrorist and not because they’re anti-Jewish… it’s because of what Israel has done to them. And I don’t believe Israel is actually trying to differentiate innocents from Hamas, and thus the Palestinians won’t have this introspective nature about their family’s “accidental death”.
Just understand that I was reading your message as pro-Israel until the end because it’s written exactly the same as a pro-Israel message would be written, they would just say instead that the Palestinian youth are brainwashed, mothers of jihadists are financially incentivized to indoctrinate their children, etc. This is a very complicated issue with lot’s of misinformation on both sides. Try not to be so black and white
Well in that case you’ve made it much simpler for the Israelis to stop dropping leaflets and telling them leave areas, or allowing humanitarian efforts to come into Gaza, or keep their power on, and just let them vaporize the city. Because according to you and your pals in your replies the locals will never change their perspective on the Israelis, so why bother saving any of them?
Amrikaz, extremely well said. Yeah, it's a really bad joke. I don't know what the count is at right this moment, but last I checked the IDF had killed exactly 14 Hamas fighters, plus, what, 11,000 or so civilians. The war hawks and profiteers know that murdering Palestinians creates more terrorists. That cycle of violence is money in the bank for them.
Well, yeah, high level U.S. military people get brainwashed deeply, but Jocko is still a good guy. Colonel Douglas McGregor is a rare exception to this; he's a truly independent insider who has a heart and isn't sold out.
I agree with you but in a completely different way. There is a difference. When we were in Iraq and we provided Iraqi’s a helping hand, they cooperated because they know they can have a political will eventually. For Palestinians there is no reason to help IDF because Palestinians don’t get anything in return. Look at how Palestinians are treated in West Bank and thats the best case scenario. So they are not given any good choices.
I don't always agree with Krystal, but I really found myself wishing she was part of the interview to push back on some of the inane, ridiculous things Jocko said. The idea that a siege was simply "waiting out Hamas in their tunnels"... That gazans will probably think "wrong place wrong time" I the next time a refugee camp gets bombed... Just boggles my mind and I wish there was a more two sided convo here.
Jocko: ex- Navy Seal commander for actual counterterrorism operations for over 20 years. Krystal: leftist journalist single mother who’s biggest issue in life is that Trump exists. Yes, im sure Krystal has alot of substance to add to this conversation than Jocko ever could.
@@angelavila8722are you too stupid to realize Jocko has blinders for occupying forces? The whole “yeah, we understand you have good intentions and my daughter was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Oh well, continue your illegal mission good sir just look twice next time” what I find pretty funny from you guys, is your appeal to authority bc of experience (notwithstanding his worldview and his brainwashing). Yet, ppl like you are willing to challenge doctors w more years of experience on anything. I don’t get why conservative twats bend over for power so easily. Selective tho, whatever their culture war daddies tell them to.
You would be sadly disappointed trying to have convo with a well-brainwashed psychopath like Jocko.. 💯💯 BTW- did you know narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths are created by genes and their environment, and there's no medical cure for the disease?? 💯💯
@@angelavila8722 she's actually married, but you're missing my point entirely. It's not that "Krystal has the best takes and is the most experienced" - FAR from it. My point is that Jocko's applying his experience in a different region with different circumstances and therefore is not, imo, representing the situation correctly, and Saagar is bad at pushing back on people he looks up to.
Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy - to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”
@@skontheroad a simple google would suffice my friend I’m currently at work but I will deliver as promised if you however copy and paste my quotes into google the results will appear instantly these aren’t even the most damning things he said. I’d also like to refer to you to the USS liberty incident. If you become convinced of this attitude of the prime minister I ask you honestly man to man would it change how you see things?
Yes... this alone is enough to cut off Israel and even threaten sanctions. Rabin was assassinated shortly after the 1990s peace summit with Bill Clinton, and Rabin's body wasn't even cold in the ground before Bibi (during his first PMship) started loading up Palestine with more settlers than ever before.
@@skontheroadRUclips is restricting some of my comments and links it’s really frustrating can I IM you? I got links to footage that generally lays down his attitude towards Americans and the Palestinians in Hebrew. I think this stuff is very important especially to us Americans although isreal is our friend Netanyahu is certainly not. He means to use us like a disposable garbage bag. He is a snake in the grass like no other.
I am not buying it that the family of the killed civilians by US troops blamed the insurgents more then the US troops. That's either delusional or a load of crap. Sagar didn't challenge it eother.
He was saying that he thinks many Palestinians recognize that Hamas has caused this current conflict. All of you people on here shouting that they'll only blame the IDF are just reinforcing that Israel needs to turn it into a parking lot.
Yeah there are multiple significant differences but he was open about saying that he was speculating based on his past experiences. I like Jocko and all but people treat him as if he’s the reincarnation of Sun Tzu and General Patton combined. Jocko knows that if he was in Gaza now he might have to change a lot of what he thinks about it, and would be willing to do so. He’s just guessing at the moment because that’s what being asked of him.
This was a good talk, but I think Jocko (as much as I like and respect him) really misses some very large points about this issue, perhaps driven by leftover indoctrination from the military (I got the same crap). I would emphasize to him: (1) Israel is not Iraq, (2) Israel has actually done some really bad things in Gaza and treated the Palestinians as sub-human, and (C) this is actually a rather clear and distinct issue and not an issue of various armed warlords and factions fighting for control like in Iraq.
@@alexdevcampand over a much longer period (~50 years). They treat people like animals, and then they're shocked when they behave (Oct. 7) like animals.
@@alexdevcampI'm really encouraged by all these comments that see through this spin. I'm not even saying the guy talking isn't sincere. He just honestly seems to believe Israel is doing a decent job protecting civilians. Not sure HOW he can think that but I think he does
He is saying that the Gazans are too afraid to go up against Hamas, ok that might as well be true but at the same time he thinks that the poor iraqis that just got their family member killed would dare to stand up to the invading US soilders. He doesnt apply the same logic there. ”Yeah, they werent mad at us for killing their familes they said so themsleves, they were mad at the Guy who we tried to kill”🤦🏽♀️
He’s clearly not very smart lol Iraqis hated him when he was there they fought a bloody resistance war against the US and to this they still hate the US which is why they are currently attacking US bases in the area and their biggest ally is Iran
That isn't what the US did at all. They went to remove Saddam, not to war with the Iraqi people. They tried and failed to maintain peace between Sunni/Shia in this power vacuum that claims the most deaths. Saddam was holding inspectors hostage when a Pakistani nuclear engineer named AQ Khan is on television bragging about building illegal nuclear programs in the region. While Saddam is sitting on hundreds of tonnes of yellowcake and giving the finger to the IAEA. In the wake of 9/11 that isn't gonna slide
So.... 2 of Jocko's 4 children get killed by bombing. The people who dropped the bomb say "Sorry Jocko - here is some money for your 2 dead children". Jocko says "thank you for the money, I'm cool with that"...... Yeah..... I don't think so!
The whole invasion of the middle east was such a shit show we went there under false pretenses because of 911, and to make matters worse we left causing chaos in the region. The right move would have been to stay their permanently and continued to try to help the population.
@@jeffreylysen7647 is that really the question? Are kids known for their amazing discernibility and knowledge of their surroundings and the intentions of strangers? What about if a bad guy runs into a school and the school gets blown up?
@@playea123 I'm just curious your thoughts. Given I have been to this part of the world for various reasons, many times, and want to know why you think Israel might bomb certain areas.
Ok ooof those first 10 minutes where he’s imagining that Palestinians will be more mad at Hamas than Israel… I appreciate jockos viewpoint but he may need to talk to some Palestinians because he may be a bit out of touch with this specific conflict
I think what he's trying to say is that if you adopt the strategy of actually treating the people fairly, helping them, working with them and painting a clear contrast between yourself and the insurgents, then that's how people will start to feel. I would need to listen again, but I don't think he was saying that this is the situation currently. He goes on to talk about how they specifically didn't level Ramadi, seemingly in contrast with what is happening in Gaza. I think he's advocating for the only strategy that could possibly change the views of the Palestinians, which is to begin treating them humanely. Edit: Only reacting to the first ten min, still listening to the rest of it...
@@asia89572 What is a strategy that the Israelis could use that would protect them from future terror attacks and also move toward peace with the Palestinians? To me, it seems like what Jocko is advocating is at least a move in the right direction, but I'm genuinely curious to know your thoughts. Given the current situation, what should Israel realistically do now?
I liked Jocko's story about working with Sheikh's in Ramadi. I come from Fallujah and was there during the occupation. I can confirm his story about working with local sheikhs as I've seen it with my own eyes. I've seen local "sheikh" getting paid in duffle bags of cash to encourage his people not to attack coalition forces. A couple of weeks later, the "sheikh" and his associates were rolling around in brand new armoured Land Cruisers and attacks on coalition soldiers were going as per normal. I'm assuming the US local commander in my town had the same view as Jocko. What he failed to understand is that if the "Sheikh" even hinted to anyone about not attacking the invaders, that would have been a death sentence for him. So the US commander ended up funding the "Sheikh's" lifestyle for nothing in return. But I'm sure he wrote a nice report to the higher ups about how he's "working with local leaders to win hearts and minds". Jocko is either lying or just delusional. My bet is on delusional since Americans in general have a hero complex.
As an American I have heard such stories from other Iraqi's, and I believe they also did the same in Afghanistan. Definitely other investigative outlets have confirmed as much. This guy is just getting high on his own inflated sense of self worth. So the delusion is definitely sky high for sure.
@@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88 Jocko is a classic narcissistic psychopath that's typical of politicians, generals, judges, cops, CEOs, BANKERS, doctors, lawyers, preachers, kings, queens, media, sales, etc.. that 💘 power and 💵,💘 to dictate how others live and die, and 💘 to be admired and adored like GODS.. 💯💯
A few more discrepancies on the comparisons here. 1. these are NOT insurgents. these are the sons of locals so you will not effectively mitigate the population by paying a local sheik to build a bridge. 2. These are Jews going into Gaza so here will be no hearts and minds won and there are 1600 years of evidence to support this. 3. There were no rocket attacks landing on Jocko's wife and kids while he went into Ramadi so no need to expedite the occupation so he could let the "siege do its thing" and Jocko had never lost his own children in prior attacks. 4. Vivak incorrectly refers to Mosel as good example of how to employ tactics. I was there and they leveled the city block by block with almost no regard for civilian population(official casualty estimates from Mosel are a farce cooked up to support the government in Bahgdad) , It just wasn't discussed in the media because there were no Jews involved. 5. Finally instead of 300 insurgents they have to get 30,000 who have had 13 years to prepare for this.
Its funny how he talks about people showing support for the guys in charge in Gaza, then pivots to how he didn't see animosity when they killed civilians. Like yeah bro, that's cause you were in charge there! Wait till you leave!
it's very different circumstances I don't know why jaco isn't being challenged by the fact that the Shia Iraqis hated Al Qaeda because it was soni Muslims not the Case in Gaza they are all brothers and sisters you can't easily take them on your side like you did in Iraq and Israel knows this
After listening to Jocko I now know why the Middle East was such a disaster... how could he be so out of touch on this? Like the guy, thank him for his service, but wow.
Jocko says that the palestinians wont rebel against hamas because they provide the food, public services, jobs and they are armed; but then when talking about the relationship between the iraqui population and the coalition he forgets that the coalition provided the food, public services and jobs (because the coalition destroyed the countryand took control over most companies and the public sector) and they where armed.
Jocko embarrassed himself. If a guy in the pub said half of his comments you would clearly tell the guy to educate himself on Gaza. Navy seals guy really not doing his homework.
lol Jocko is not only a navy seal. He’s a navy seal commander who is an expert in warfare. His points are backed by decades of hard learned experience and implementation. No moron in the RUclips comments knows better than him.
This guest has forgotten more about counter insurgency warfare then what what "you think" you know. lol Its always the idiots that have never engaged in modern warfare that are the 1st to run their gobb on the internet
When he said, oh an isreali operative going into a refugee camp and talking to the locals... Me just sitting here, you mean the refugee camp they bombed?? That convo will go over well I'm sure
The primary problem with comparing Gaza to Ramadi is that ISIS was not really local, and did not have deep roots in that city. Furthermore, coalition forces had the backing of influential portions of Iraqi society.... none of this is true in Gaza. Hamas is from Gaza, with massively deep roots. There are no significant portions or Palestinian society that support Israel, instead they have been training their young people to hate Jews for at least a century. If Israelis try to hire Gazans to rebuild their wrecked homeland... well, good luck to that! It appears to be insoluble.
I’ve been to Gaza four times and have many Gazan friends. You’re completely wrong: this is not Iraq. People hated Hamas before this. But now, with Israeli committing genocide and trying to expel them all from Palestine, they are completely unified in resisting the Occupation. They’re hearts and minds are with ending the occupation, securing their freedom, and returning to their homes in what is now Israel as per UNR194. Do not waste time comparing this to Iraq.
Israelis are exceptionally bad at genocide. In 1948 there were about 1.3 million palestinians. Now 75 years later according to the palestinians there are about 5 million in the territories. That's being really shit at genocide, or just possibly the Israelis are not trying to commit genocide.
@@davywavy3724it seems like the opposite. His previous experience adds a bias and slant towards his understanding. He sees it like an Iraq war instead of its own thing.
Unfortunately the comparison is not a good one, because the people of Gaza are directly oppressed by the military performing the insurgency. Not the case in Ramala
@@treeoflife162the brainwashed delusion in these pro-Hamas supporters is hilarious and depressing. I guarantee 99% have no idea what led to this state of affairs in the first place.
@@treeoflife162 From the Palestinian perspective, they see it as there are no governments of the world supporting them except Hamas. It's wrong to think that way, but that is the level of hatred that exists between the 2 states.
This was so delusional that I had to switch off. Jacko has no idea, and Sagaar just went with it. If you really think there is a scenario where the Palestinians will welcome and thank the occupiers after 75 years of brutality then you have no right to have any platform
I think this is why the dynamic between sagaar and Krystal interviewing together is needed. Although ppl hate when Krystal “interrupts”, this interview needed several moment of pushback and elaboration. Sagaar kinda just swallowed the narrative and went on to more questions
its cause the dude has no idea what hes talking about. of all the people they couldve interviewed for some insightful perspective on the war, they decided to interview an former-army INFLUENCER? cmon
“And of course we would pay them money to apologize for what had happened when civilians got killed” is one of the grossest collection of words I’ve ever heard.
That's exactly what reparations means. If you want to get really grossed out. Look up what the us department of agriculture values a human life. Then look at what the owners of cruise lines think a human life is worth.
Jocko and the American GWOT generation has more real world experience in asymmetric counter insurgency warfare then 99% of the worlds militaries lol. What country are you from? lol
He was giving a military perspective. If you want someone to stroke your ego about Israel not having the right to exist, jump over to Andrew Tate or something.
Yes it is. Tragic accidents happen all the time. A parent can think that and still be overwhelmed by grief. I'm not arguing for the validity of this in the context of their conversation but your comment is a false and shallow counterargument.
@@politotrujillo1722 as opposed to the one supporting a genocidal government that previous was caught forcefully sterilizing Ethiopian Jews? The one who said no racism in Israel yet Ethiopian Jews report being isolated and unable to speak with others. Or should we talk about threatening new reporters and photographers, using assassins, selling weapons to enemies of the US (which we gave them for defense but when sold to China ended up in Iran). Who is currently using white phosphorous ordinance on civilian locations? Which also includes damaging one of the oldest churches in the world. At the moment Israel’s doctrine is bomb areas to the stone age and never do anything else. Didn’t Israel also have this illegal embargo for more than a decade on Gaza, and keeps making more settlements in Gaza? Oh wait when reports are done on that IDF makes sure to accidentally fire at reporters…
@@28Decimo I can tell you for certain the reports on white phosphorus weren’t true and the mosques that get hit are being used as weapons caches making them valid military targets which calls into question the things I can’t verify. But what’s the absolute worst is the way you call isreal the genocidal state when that is a complete inversion of reality. Isreal by all reports has gone far and beyond what any other military on earth has done to warn civilians to leave the area they’re going to bomb while Hamas soldiers block evacuation and shoot their own citizens who try to leave because they want their own citizens to die by Israeli weapons so they can use the corpses to make more propaganda for western smoothbrains. The only side who wants a genocide is Palestine. The Arabs in isreal have full rights, run for office sit on the judiciary. The Jews in Palestine… there are no Jews in Palestine because a Jew in Palestinian territory is killed on the spot. Also if isreal wanted a genocide, they have an Air Force. They could glass the entire territory in less than 6 hours so if they’re so genocidal why haven’t they just done it yet.
@@politotrujillo1722 Enjoy getting your ignorance publicly eviscerated by anybody who actually tracks Tel Aviv’s ocean of humanitarian violations The militarized apartheid in Hebron alone exposes their entire ideology as sociopathic. But good luck regardless I guess
We are the good guys complex has clouded his judgement in the specific topic. Hama is bad but the Israel government who support Hama in the first place to further their agenda are just as bad. Palestians have suffer from Hama no doubt but Israel has made them suffer much more. Open air prison with limited access to basic human needs met was a disaster waiting to happen.
I think a more important example is how they are thrown out of their homes and into refugee camps in the west bank where there is no armed resistance or hamas is a bigger issue. When they dont have hamas, they are treated as I stated. Where there is hamas this doesnt happen. Until this fact is addressed and corrected there will always be conflict and hamas (or whatever name the choose to adopt in the future).
I really enjoy how Jocko always brings back sympathy and emotion into some of his answers. I felt like Saagar was expecting Jocko to say at times " yeah, this is war and people are going to die no matter how much you try to prevent it...there are a lot of Palestinians who support Hamas and voted them in....collateral damage cannot be avoided...etc" but Jocko always brings back simple answers like, the Palestinians are regular people who are just trying to support their families so of course a lot of them have no choice but to support their current government because what else choice do they have? If they resist Hamas, they'll just be killed. I noticed lately that Saagar doesnt bring any emotion into his views and beliefs because he wants to stay true to his principles, which is respectable, but at the same time, its easy to forget that people are just trying to live a good life and support their families. Debates tend to be overcomplicated when the answer can just be simple and not so thought out. Im glad Jocko kept emphasizing how the majority of people are just normal trying to get by. US media including independent media can really overcomplicate things happening around the world.
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Exactly. The counter insurgency in Iraq and afghanistan, along with the subsequent "hearts, minds and wallets" as Jocko mentions, was a disaster of epic proportions. If someone thinks that was a successful strategy, I got news for them.
Or just intentionally pushing military propaganda. Saagar on that military industrial complex payroll as well. They don't have souls. Just egos and wallets. Krystal should leave this goon to his own insignificant babble and let him become a joe rogan fluffer.
Wasn't going to be the first one to mention it, but I found myself scratching my head during this interview. Sounds like a lot of thinly sourced conjecture. I get it's an opinion but sounds like he's just riffing here and making stuff up.
If Israel really wants peace, it will require the Palestinians to have self determination. Israel MUST be forced into obeying international law if Israel wants freedom from fear.
@@gianni_schicchi They voted in 2006 but the Israelis and Americans didn't like who they voted for, Hamas, and so they just ignored the result and has put Gaza under a siege ever since...leading to the October 7th attacks. How did that go?
Most importantly, Palestinians need to give up armed struggle and come to the bargaining table to reach a final settlement with Israel that gives them the fair amount of land they deserve. The Armed struggle approach dooms the region to eternal conflict
Yeah not sure I want to listen. It may give it a go…couldn’t tell if this was posted somewhere specifically for people to hate view or what! We will see…
You really want to utter the word accountability but then in the same breathe take sides with the guys who just raped, burned, and mass murdered thousands of civilians a month ago ….you have no credibility. Unlike Jocko, who has been fighting the war on terror while you were learning your ABCs
The way saagar been citing and hoping this guy up I was really hoping for a better analysis, he didn’t lay any critique to Israel and seem to be trusting all of their propaganda
I felt like he was trying to draw info out of Jacko. Clearly Jacko has a bias, instead of saying, oh boy you’re way off here, he would frame the next question to try to get something useful.
Not every conversation needs to be a debate. Or anytime someone says something we have to question it. Sometimes just being quiet and listening you’ll get information or wisdom from what is being said even if what is being said isn’t “correct”. The news and sport shows has ruined the way we communicate, not social media. Not everything needs to be a panel of 5 people talking over each other and every has to be profound in the 20 seconds they have on each subject. Sometimes just stfu and think.
9:07 “and of course, you know, we would pay them money to, you know, apologize for what had happened when civilians got killed”. I had to go back 2 times to make sure he said that
This psycho don’t even realize what they’re saying cause, well, they’re psychos. They just don’t see brown people as human beings just like him so Joko is incapable to put himself in the shoes of the victims families even for a second.
I was expecting an insightful take, but I'm shocked it's so deluded. How can Israel win the hearts and minds if the Israelis have a goal of creating a greater Israel and, by definition, want to prevent and remove any chance of a Palestinian state. How can you win the hearts and minds of the Palestinian if a large section of Israelis society see them as subhuman. And I haven't even mentioned the 6,000 children and counting they have murdered so far.
@@JMo-uh5cdeven Arafat agreed that Israel had the right to exist. The idea that Palestinians want to destroy Israel is bollocks. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, has been deliberately misconstrued by Israel. They need an irrational demon to sell to their people.. Palestinians being free doesn't require the destruction of Israel. It requires its own State as agreed between Arafat and Rabin.. Someone summed up the situation quite eloquently. Israel teaches it's children that Palestinians teach their children to hate Israel. Israel manifests its own enemies through its actions..
9:36 "putting you in the situation in the first place" is most ridiculous statements I've ever heard...in the West Bank THERE IS NO HAMAS and yet still people are getting killed...I respect Jacks POV on many things but in this situation he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
Imagine referring the inhabitants of a country you’re attempting to invade as “insurgents” and still trying to act like you speak with any credibility. 🤔
Lol. Jocko said the civilians might look positively at Israel "once they're sitting in a refugee camp and the IDF is giving them supplies and asking them questions", like dude, Jocko clearly has no idea Isreal has been bombing all the refugee camps. And Sagar is just sitting there fan-boying out. wtf am I watching lol
Just watched conservatives sitting in their echo chambers. A painful experience. Saagar is the wrong one to be talking to this guy alone. The dude literally called Israel's genocide-from-the-air "bold action" and had the audacity to claim that Israel is making efforts to take care of Gazans and that Gazans will be thankful to the Israeli military for "liberating" them, and not a peep out of Saagar. Jocko, if I'm being very kind, has blind spots the size of the Grand Canyon.
This isnt conservativism. Conservatism is a cultural, social, and political philosophy that seeks to promote and to preserve traditional institutions, customs, and values.
How did Saagar not even push back once about the strategy of Israel bombing the hospitals and the people en route to “ safety “ in the south and the refugee camps !!!??? I think he was honestly scared of Jocko. And I am a huge Jocko fan.. but I don’t think he is right about some of the stuff here. Unless he doesn’t believe the Palestinians are under occupation in Gaza. So the title is completely click bait. Krystal would have been pressing him more.
You and Jocko don’t have to have the same viewpoint. You are two different people the fact that he sees things differently than you should make you think about your own beliefs, and question them reasonably, then question his beliefs in a similar fashion.
They're not under occupation in Gaza. Israel left in 2005. All Israelis living there had to leave. The failure of the civilization in Gaza is the fault of Palestine. It's easier to blame Israel for their failure rather than the Palestinians take responsibility for their failed society. It's trendy and cool to blame others for your own failures. Many groups in the U.S blame colonization, white supremacy, or patriarchy for their failures.
Jocko seems to not be aware that entire families and neighborhoods are being wiped out. I get the example of the US in a village, but this is nothing like that. He knows war but he does not know this one. Sagar is obviously a fan and is not correcting the context
@@mikealaniz7236 Correct. I thought much the same about things til I started to listen to real experts like Scott Ritter and Doug McGregor. I'm sure Jocko's advice on weight training or being an 'Alpha' is spot on but on geo strategy he's no better informed than my mother in law.
@@mesolithicman164 no I think he knows more than that but as a soldier that made it high in the ranks he must be aware of the politics of it. And it seems obvious here he’s avoiding certain things.
It's a radical religious ideology that pursies of building an ethnostate in the Palestine excluding any other nation religion or race except the Jews. And achieving the goals by any means necessary
@@ethancohen12 Zionism strictly speaking is the idea that the Jews should create a European-style nation state of their own. In our timeline, that means taking over the little triangle in the Levant that they currently occupy. The "underlying issue" is that it's a single-minded goal, and doesn't see room for compromise with reality. "The Jews WILL have a homeland, it's going to be HERE, and that's that! I don't care what the local people say, I've already decided that this is how it's going to be. God is on my side, we're His Chosen People, so I can't be wrong!"- - that's the logic you're dealing with when examining Israel. They're not even willing to negotiate. The "deals" they put forth before set unrealistic terms. The goal all along has been to exterminate or expel all Palestinians and complete the Israeli triangle-shape.
@@ethancohen12 Zionism is a fundamentally racist view that ALL of Israel belongs to Jews ONLY. There is actually a greater Israel wersion where Israel would also take part of Egypt, all of Jordan, Syria , part of Turkey, half of Iraq and 40% of Saudi Arabia. Zionism needs to get rid of all Muslims at least and possibly expand further. It is a brutal ideology . Some have a more modest view where it just means Israel should exist. But for most true Zionists its far more malignant.
Hostages might grapple with the stark realization that their own nation was conducting bombings and causing harm while their adversaries were the ones working to preserve their lives.
His point abt propping up the economy of the Palestinians is so key bc once you root out the poverty and the oppression and the blockade you effectively root out hamas by default. The ONLY reason they exist is bc people have no hope in any future of any kind.
It’s not about how to clear houses like a badass, it’s about being aware of the nature of the Israelis and their endless occupation. But if you like crying about wokeness and non binaries then hurry up check out the rainbow flag soldiers the IDF uses in their bullshit propaganda, the all female tank squads, the thirst trap girls playing dress up
This guys sounds so off to me that ten minutes into this interview i think I’ll just go find something else to watch on RUclips to try and educate myself on the situation.
Watch Empire Files’s Gaza Fights For Freedom or read amnesty internationals report on Israeli apartheid & military occupation. The pro Israel position is already pretty well represented in mainstream media.
I’m gonna let this interview finish, but at 20 minutes in a feel like they’re completely ignoring serious facts about the situation… Now that I’ve watched the whole interview, I don’t know if they did or not. But I feel like if they didn’t they should have made clear they were looking at the conflict purely from a military standpoint point. But this interview has ZERO context to the conflict and if you don’t know anyth about the conflict you’d come away from this interview believing the Biden and Israel government telling of the story which is bullshit. Saagar should know better than this.
@@Strawn149 I was kinda hoping that 75% through and I just missed the part where they mentioned that. That being said, when he got into the “Hearts and Minds” argument it then becomes impossible to ignore the context. Because it can’t be ignored in Palestine unlike in Iraq that the Palestinians living conditions is more a result of Israel then Hamas. Israel makes the decision to leave them without water, food and medicine and had made those decisions before Oct 7th, not Hamas. Israel also makes the decision to go into Gaza everyday few years to “Mow the Lawn”, not Hamas. Israel made the decision to institute the blockade, not Hamas. And Israel also has the ideology that dictates they can’t allow Muslims to have to large of a population because it will threaten their state simply from them existing. They also made the decision to continue to expand the illegal settlements. At lastly, only cause I don’t feel like typing anymore. The Palestinian Authority is widely looked upon negatively because they’re seen as collaborators with the Israel state and is not for the Palestinians. Which is the alternative to Hamas which theoretically would be useful in Jacko’s description of how things should go forward. He can speak from a purely Military state point for the most part and I don’t mind it despite the fact I like context. But when he makes the “Hearts and Minds” argument, you can’t seriously make that argument without context, at least not honestly.
By facts Do you mean making absurd straw man arguments where Hamas bombing, Israel is war but Israel bombing hamas. Back is a war crime because You only listen to the perspective of people who are ideologues.
What i hate most about this "interview" is that Jacko will just state things and Sagaar would just swallow it with even asking "what's your basis for saying that?" Like: What is your basis for saying people were kept from fleeing? What makes you think people will give up their Hamas relatives anyone than Afghans giving up their Taliban sons and nephews?
The basis is that there are videos of Palestinians saying they can't evacuate because they are prevented from doing so at gunpoint. Also, true family won't give up family but not everyone has family to give up.
@@alvc22 I haven't seen those but I'll take your word for it. But that wasn't the only thing he said. He kept say "I've never been to Gaza, but I feel x". I'd like to know his reasons. I read a statistic that says half of Gaza are married to a first cousin. In such a society families are huge. When 1 in 56 people have been killed or injured, and 1 in 200 killed, everyone is touched.
@@robinirie98 interesting statistic. Being from a large family myself, I can also tell you that families though unified by blood, can still split over politics and policy especially when it's life and death. What about the statistic that 13% of Palestinians do not support the Oct 7 attack? It's been documented that many lie in public polls so as not to be punished. So the real number is higher. I will admit that the number of Gazans willing to give up Hamas isn't huge, maybe as high as 20% if one is very liberal and optimistic.
@@robinirie98 BTW the Son of Hamas was quite happy to give up his father who was one of the founding members of Hamas. You don't need a ton of people to help, just a few well connected ones.
@@alvc22 You need sufficient to make a difference. There are loads of informants among the Palestinians; that's well known. But are there enough? Is it credible that after killing 1 in 200 people are going to be more inclined to inform? And Palestinian who speaks to a stranger now is a marked man/woman. The idea that Israeli agents just need to go in these refugees camps as if Hamas operatives and informants won't be there watching
I would imagine the majority of the Palestinians would be about as thankful to the Israelis as the U.S.S Liberty survivors that Jocko had on his podcast last year would be. Would love to see the Liberty survivors get an interview on Breaking Points.
Nah, Krystal's interview with RFK Jr was pretty bad. Fine to be inquisitive to challenge but she got ideological and brought up criticisms without letting him respond. Wtf. She's too hot-headed with too many blindspots. Saagar has his issues too.
😂 Journalism is where you only give one sides. Opinion then insist to your audience that the other sides lying about everything.. Purposely misrepresent facts and cast out on things that have been proven to be true Is it really that hard for you to listen to someone else's opinion that disagrees with crystal? Are you such a cuck That you can't handle Analysis from someone who's naughty complete ideologue, who bases their opinions off of ideology, not facts on the ground
So true. I would've rather have Ryan interview him, because he gives pushback and has plenty of knowledge to back his points up. I think sometimes Saagar really comes off as a fanboy in some of these interviews, and doesn't want to "rock the boat" so to speak.
Love Jocko, but he missed the part where in the iraq war we made an effort to not kill civilians. Here there's like a 50 to 1 ratio for civilian kills vs confirmed terrorist kills. He's also missing the part where these people had their homes and everything they owned destroyed, then got kicked out from their lands.
Yes but I believe you and many other commenters on here “missed the part” about the Palestinians and their leadership are just as culpable as the IDF for the situation they find themselves in.
The way Joko is framing civilians being at the wrong place and time is disgusting. My father was a Vietnam vet, he spoke candidly about the war crimes committed by the so-called good guys. Joko has more than enough experience, intelligence and access to know what's going on. He said their efforts to minimize civilian casualties in Ramadi was extraordinary. So why is he tip toeing around Israel's spoken and acted intent to do as much damage as possible with minimal regard for civilians? I think he is pandering to his base; the companies he provides consultations for, the proud American patriots who buy his books, etc. Like so many others, he dare not call Israel out.
Why was this guy interviewed? Seems he knows very little about this conflict and didn’t even do any homework on it. He’s just making assumptions and projecting his past experiences onto current events, but even his past experiences sound odd. Why give him a platform to spread more misinformation?
Hey Sagar, this interview with Jocko Willink seemed designed as an opportunity for you to exercise your constant (and childish) fascination with military strategy and combat tactics. We heard that train of thought from you again and again, ad nauseum. The actual potential for resolution of this war and crisis is neither about Israel doing things to improve the economy and/or lifestyle of Palestinians, nor is it about Israel trying out a new posture to "make friends with your neighbors." Um, sudden friendly relations would be hard to pull off after so much carpet bombing killing of Palestinians. I'm appalled, but not surprised, that you guys (given your military wonk beliefs) failed to tackle the elephant in the room. This situation calls for a political solution, not a military one. It will include ending Israel's occupation and control of Gaza and the West Bank. Start with that in order to give peace a chance.
All of these upset Muslims hate it when they don’t talk about occupation 😂 None of these people in the comment section have ever lived under hamas rule, it’s not a game about talking points, it’s life
I agree but it would be interesting to see her talk to more people who disagree with her on the topic (the interview with the politician was really good, for example)@@yaeluzan1
After spending years in my 20s advising Iraqi forces and conducting counterinsurgency operations in the North, Central Iraq, and down South, I now realize what we were missing all along that could have peacefully resolved the conflict- WALMART. Thank you, Jack-O.
@@middleagebrotips3454 "Terrorism" is an almost meaningless term, but the vast majority of those who carry out what we call "Teror Attacks" are well fed and healthy with good jobs. Like, actually... almost all of them.
@@KalashniKEV762true, Hamas is well fed, fat and happy for sure. They steal all the money, medical supplies, food and water from the Palestinians. The high ranking leaders don’t even live there. They live in luxury high rises in Qatar and worth billions. All the while the people suffer. Hamas does a great job of brainwashing the civilians and ruling with fear.
@@Gangsta1168but what would happen to china if the US stopped buying their stuff? It’s creepy how we hate each other but we’re totally dependent on each other at the same time
Love how people in the comments call him brainwashed when he was literally a commander in Iraq fighting WITH Iraqi soldiers against jihadists. He admitted that he doesnt kno the situation in Gaza and has never been there, but is explaining his experience in Iraq fighting alongside friendly Iraqi soldiers and dealing with the poppulace and what the mindset was. The situation in Gaza is obviously way different and Palestinians hate Isrealis so the likelyhood of gettin civilian Palestinians on the side of Israeli seems extremely unlikely
How on Earth could you think any Palestinian would thank the IDF for indiscriminately bombing them??? I agree with commenters below, this guy is delusional. He may know a lot about the battles he was in, but he seems to know very little about this one.
I bet you he didn't really know he fought and killed for BANKERS and CORPORATIONS.. 💵💵💯💯
the most decorated soldier in iraq war
absolutely. this would have been a perfect interview on Tim pool podcast.
@@wikwayerno wonder the Iraqi war was a complete disaster
Because he cant say what he thinks. he thinks this is the worst shit show for the IDF and mostly self caused. poor intel, poor response, terrible optics from the world
I was in Iraq in 2006, and it was an absolute shit-show. I lost any scrap of respect I had for humans that year. We gave people money for various vile things, and it's pretty common. We ABSOLUTELY destroyed that place, and very, very few people were happy we were there, from what I could tell. I rarely tell people I was there, as I'm so fucking disgusted by being part of it. I got my helmet, medal, and other bits, and I keep them in a box, under the bed
Jocko's a good guy, but I can't defend the military like he does. Granted, I only did 5 years as a grunt, but, I got the general idea what we were there for REALLY
Well said. It's either in you, or it's not, to be able to see past your own brainwashing.
Jocko hasn't got it.
Thank you for your service.. You did a great thing..
Thank you for your humanity. We need more like you.
Thank you for your service so people like me were able to avoid being drafted.
Thanks for being honest, I don’t know if you thought about writing a book about your days if not you should and tell everything that happened.
Comparing Israel/Gaza to Iraq is pretty absurd. One major difference is that the US wasnt trying to eject Iraqis off their land and occupy it as US territory
Nor were the Iraqi's attacking New York and Los Angeles on a daily basis.
The other is Gaza is next door to Israel. OH yeah, and Israel has already taken 1/2 of Gaze with very few casualties.
@@peterstafford4426Define "few casualties"
@@attackofthetheeyecreatures3472
I think he was talking about soldiers KIA
@@attackofthetheeyecreatures3472 Not many? Are you proud of lacking common sense?
5:35 Even prior to October 7th, the IDF has zero chance of getting support from the locals in Gaza. This is delusional
People said the same thing in Iraq. It happens.
you'd be surprised at how far a little bit of instagram, YT and porn (no need to mention electricity and water) will go in poor countries...
Lol I literally thought he was informed and well educated but damn
@@tallflguyThat's different because local people support Hamas and protect them. Two, most people who saw videos of IDF claim conquered Northern Gaza where it pissed off local people.
@@tallflguy not all Arabs are the same . I think the us found that the hard way
The idea that Gazans are talking to IDF saying "thank you for coming in" when they're killing infinitely more civilians than hamas is just crazy. He has no idea what he's talking about. He has not seen what they've done.
If he had the same experience that I did in the North, the locals welcomed the Fedayeen/ FRLs, welcomed the US, welcomed al Qaeda, welcomed the US again, welcomed Daesh, welcomed the Hash'd al Shaabi/ PMF... they're a very welcoming people! Saager should talk to a Combat Advisor and COIN SME, not a SOF guy (although at least he's talking to a *decision-making* member of a Tier 2 SOF element).
Jocko the psycho didn't know Hamas planned for years and executed one of the best military raid in recent history.. And of course they know how the Nazi Zionist Jews would react.. 💯💯
I agreed thank god I am not the only one thinking that
@@jesustreto1288 what?? And you called yourself Jesus?? 😄😄😄
Hamas won’t let them leave son. Do you get that? Hamas is a terrorist organization whose purpose is to kill all the Jews. Israel gave them ample time to leave. But Hamas uses them as human shields. So yes it’s tragic absolutely. But Israel want to eliminate Hamas fighters…..Hamas wants to eliminate all the Jews and……..US. Where did you get lost?
I spit my coffee when Jocko said "The IDF trying to help the civilians" 😂 brah have you seen the News lately or ever
He said they're doing the best they can which is mostly true.
@@ATCrogerwilco yeah they're doing their best to help them meet God 😂
@@RidingNomad^ facts
The only reason Israel is now trying to “reduce” civilian casualties is because public opinion is turning against them. The mask is off and the world is seeing Israel for what it really is.
Jews who grow up in Israel are indoctrinated to hate all Arabs. Most of the IDF soldiers have no sympathy for the Palestinians.
And the comparison between coalition forces in Iraq to IDF is completely 💩. Israel is the occupier. They are the reason Palestinians are suffering and rightfully angry. The Israeli occupation predates the existence of Hamas.
@@ATCrogerwilco Jocko specifically pointed out that Israel previous had a doctrine of all were combatants to the point where they wouldn’t try to rescue hostages…. That’s kinda the opposite there chief and they may have started to shift but the boat for reputation sailed after doing that for like 20+ years.
Jocko’s Gaza take is quite delusional, unfortunately. The analogy with Iraq does not work here. Prior to or after October 7, there is ZERO chance Israel will have rapport with Gazans. Also, “my child was in the wrong place at the wrong time”….. that is hilarious.
True.
Exactly! This guy is probably one of the DUMBEST people I’ve ever come across. No wonder why America was DEFEATED in every war he served. He doesn’t have any logic whatsoever.
Exactly- a better analogy would be if the Nazis did a Holocaust Lite and mowed the grass in the Warsaw ghetto over a generation. Would Jock-O suggest that the nazis build a rapport with the jews? At the same time that they were exterminating them?
@@nightbrokerhis points are valid but it’s too late for them to be implemented here. There’s historical harm and just too much mistrust. And IsNotReal already murdered 20k of Palestinian being in the wrong place aka their house, church, school, hospital
Even if Israel dropped all its borders, Palestinians would still attack Israelis. So many Palestinians think Israelis should go back to Europe.
Yo he really said Palestinians are "probably saying 'THANK YOU FOR COMING IN' to Israeli soldiers"...
Tell me you know nothing about Israel-Palestine without telling me...
Jocko is a clown, he knows nothing or he is on the payroll to put Israel as heroes.
Seriously. I have never heard anything so fucking stupid in this entire conflict.
22:24 The populous are not a fan of either qassam or idf. They're sick of the fighting. They want the oppression to end, the seige to end, young lives not destroyed with back and forth violence.
The idf doesn't care about the injured, they leave them to perish. These two guys are so naive. Israel doesn't want Gaza to have walmarts and other good things. They don't want the co-mingling. They want the arabs to go away and take over the whole area for themselves only.
The moment they stop the settements, unlawfully detaining kids without charge, stop harrassing people in the west back, east jerusalem and Gaza... qassam goes away cause there is no need for them. There needs to be political solution, one person-one vote, equal rights and same level of self-determination in order to move forward as a people. From river to sea, everyone should be free.
Clearly you know nothing about human psychology. Most people operate in survival mode. Once Hamas starts to he eradicated. The power in Gaza will be the IDF. Therefore the people will start to align with the new power in the area. Thus they will start acting nice and kind in order to win favour. It’s survival instincts. They probably still hate the IDF and Israel - depending on the person - regardless they will try to survive by being kind. It is a manipulation tactic to survive.
Yeah. After being a prisoner since 1948, being tortured, expropriated, moved around and robbed of dignity, close relatives, let alone any material possession, a young Palestinian would certainly approach Israeli soldiers with a bouquet of flowers and say out loud "thank you for saving me from the bad guys".
When Jocko says that in his experience he’s found , “for every one terrorist you kill, you’ve created 5 more” to not be true (though he also says he hasn’t found it untrue either) doesn’t apply to Palestine. It sounds like he had a good rapport with the local population and they at least understood that he was attempting to not kill innocents.
Palestinians don’t have a good rapport with Israel. I think it’s safe to say a good amount HATE Israel. Not because they’re terrorist and not because they’re anti-Jewish… it’s because of what Israel has done to them. And I don’t believe Israel is actually trying to differentiate innocents from Hamas, and thus the Palestinians won’t have this introspective nature about their family’s “accidental death”.
My thoughts were more or less like yours when I heard him saying building relations with locals bla bla bla.
Just understand that I was reading your message as pro-Israel until the end because it’s written exactly the same as a pro-Israel message would be written, they would just say instead that the Palestinian youth are brainwashed, mothers of jihadists are financially incentivized to indoctrinate their children, etc.
This is a very complicated issue with lot’s of misinformation on both sides. Try not to be so black and white
Well in that case you’ve made it much simpler for the Israelis to stop dropping leaflets and telling them leave areas, or allowing humanitarian efforts to come into Gaza, or keep their power on, and just let them vaporize the city. Because according to you and your pals in your replies the locals will never change their perspective on the Israelis, so why bother saving any of them?
@@heregoes8839 Meaning, they killed the wrong person.
How else would you have liked me to say it?
Amrikaz, extremely well said.
Yeah, it's a really bad joke. I don't know what the count is at right this moment, but last I checked the IDF had killed exactly 14 Hamas fighters, plus, what, 11,000 or so civilians.
The war hawks and profiteers know that murdering Palestinians creates more terrorists. That cycle of violence is money in the bank for them.
To think a Palestinian would point the IDF in the direction an Hamas militant is hiding willingly is absolute ignorance bro.
Well, yeah, high level U.S. military people get brainwashed deeply, but Jocko is still a good guy.
Colonel Douglas McGregor is a rare exception to this; he's a truly independent insider who has a heart and isn't sold out.
So, should they eliminate them for "supporting hamas"? Or?
Some would. Have you heard of Massad Yosef?
So you just gonna pretend the PLC doesn't have opposition parties?
I agree with you but in a completely different way. There is a difference. When we were in Iraq and we provided Iraqi’s a helping hand, they cooperated because they know they can have a political will eventually. For Palestinians there is no reason to help IDF because Palestinians don’t get anything in return. Look at how Palestinians are treated in West Bank and thats the best case scenario. So they are not given any good choices.
I don't always agree with Krystal, but I really found myself wishing she was part of the interview to push back on some of the inane, ridiculous things Jocko said.
The idea that a siege was simply "waiting out Hamas in their tunnels"...
That gazans will probably think "wrong place wrong time" I the next time a refugee camp gets bombed...
Just boggles my mind and I wish there was a more two sided convo here.
Jocko: ex- Navy Seal commander for actual counterterrorism operations for over 20 years.
Krystal: leftist journalist single mother who’s biggest issue in life is that Trump exists.
Yes, im sure Krystal has alot of substance to add to this conversation than Jocko ever could.
@@angelavila8722are you too stupid to realize Jocko has blinders for occupying forces?
The whole “yeah, we understand you have good intentions and my daughter was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Oh well, continue your illegal mission good sir just look twice next time” what I find pretty funny from you guys, is your appeal to authority bc of experience (notwithstanding his worldview and his brainwashing). Yet, ppl like you are willing to challenge doctors w more years of experience on anything.
I don’t get why conservative twats bend over for power so easily. Selective tho, whatever their culture war daddies tell them to.
You would be sadly disappointed trying to have convo with a well-brainwashed psychopath like Jocko.. 💯💯
BTW- did you know narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths are created by genes and their environment, and there's no medical cure for the disease?? 💯💯
@@angelavila8722lmao sooo true! 😅
@@angelavila8722 she's actually married, but you're missing my point entirely. It's not that "Krystal has the best takes and is the most experienced" - FAR from it.
My point is that Jocko's applying his experience in a different region with different circumstances and therefore is not, imo, representing the situation correctly, and Saagar is bad at pushing back on people he looks up to.
Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy - to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”
“We control the height of the flame”
When and where did he say that? And what was the context? Lastly, where is the Hebrew version?
@@skontheroad a simple google would suffice my friend I’m currently at work but I will deliver as promised if you however copy and paste my quotes into google the results will appear instantly these aren’t even the most damning things he said. I’d also like to refer to you to the USS liberty incident. If you become convinced of this attitude of the prime minister I ask you honestly man to man would it change how you see things?
Yes... this alone is enough to cut off Israel and even threaten sanctions. Rabin was assassinated shortly after the 1990s peace summit with Bill Clinton, and Rabin's body wasn't even cold in the ground before Bibi (during his first PMship) started loading up Palestine with more settlers than ever before.
@@skontheroadRUclips is restricting some of my comments and links it’s really frustrating can I IM you? I got links to footage that generally lays down his attitude towards Americans and the Palestinians in Hebrew. I think this stuff is very important especially to us Americans although isreal is our friend Netanyahu is certainly not. He means to use us like a disposable garbage bag. He is a snake in the grass like no other.
I am not buying it that the family of the killed civilians by US troops blamed the insurgents more then the US troops. That's either delusional or a load of crap. Sagar didn't challenge it eother.
What do you expect Saagar to say to his hero Jocko the psycho?? 😄😄
He was saying that he thinks many Palestinians recognize that Hamas has caused this current conflict. All of you people on here shouting that they'll only blame the IDF are just reinforcing that Israel needs to turn it into a parking lot.
He is delusional about Iraq but he kind of has to be to keep sane.
@@JMo-uh5cdPalestinians have suffered decades of subjugation from the Israelis so the situation is in no way comparable to Iraq.
@@JMo-uh5cdthat's simply not true.
Jocko keeps seeing Gaza from the lens of the Iraq war, not the same thing.
Yeah there are multiple significant differences but he was open about saying that he was speculating based on his past experiences.
I like Jocko and all but people treat him as if he’s the reincarnation of Sun Tzu and General Patton combined.
Jocko knows that if he was in Gaza now he might have to change a lot of what he thinks about it, and would be willing to do so. He’s just guessing at the moment because that’s what being asked of him.
@@vincer7824 did you forget romadi?
30:40
@@i.ak.1684 true!
I was trying to point out that I don't think he is failing to differentiate. @@ahmedboubaker8514
This was a good talk, but I think Jocko (as much as I like and respect him) really misses some very large points about this issue, perhaps driven by leftover indoctrination from the military (I got the same crap). I would emphasize to him: (1) Israel is not Iraq, (2) Israel has actually done some really bad things in Gaza and treated the Palestinians as sub-human, and (C) this is actually a rather clear and distinct issue and not an issue of various armed warlords and factions fighting for control like in Iraq.
Exactly they're treating the Gazans WAY worse than the US ever treated Iraqis
@@alexdevcampand over a much longer period (~50 years). They treat people like animals, and then they're shocked when they behave (Oct. 7) like animals.
@@alexdevcampyeah.. Let's ask the native Americans on how well they have been treated after they helped Europeans survived on their lands.. 😂😂😂
@@Gangsta1168i think most of them understand "they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time" and are cool with it...
@@alexdevcampI'm really encouraged by all these comments that see through this spin. I'm not even saying the guy talking isn't sincere. He just honestly seems to believe Israel is doing a decent job protecting civilians. Not sure HOW he can think that but I think he does
He is saying that the Gazans are too afraid to go up against Hamas, ok that might as well be true but at the same time he thinks that the poor iraqis that just got their family member killed would dare to stand up to the invading US soilders. He doesnt apply the same logic there. ”Yeah, they werent mad at us for killing their familes they said so themsleves, they were mad at the Guy who we tried to kill”🤦🏽♀️
Ikr 😂
He’s clearly not very smart lol Iraqis hated him when he was there they fought a bloody resistance war against the US and to this they still hate the US which is why they are currently attacking US bases in the area and their biggest ally is Iran
That isn't what the US did at all. They went to remove Saddam, not to war with the Iraqi people. They tried and failed to maintain peace between Sunni/Shia in this power vacuum that claims the most deaths. Saddam was holding inspectors hostage when a Pakistani nuclear engineer named AQ Khan is on television bragging about building illegal nuclear programs in the region. While Saddam is sitting on hundreds of tonnes of yellowcake and giving the finger to the IAEA. In the wake of 9/11 that isn't gonna slide
I don't think Jocko knows this conflict too well.
Yeah this is dumb. Talking about technology as something that wins wars. Tell that to the Taliban against the US.
Jocko has no idea
Jocko is a 💪🏻 Muscle head , what do you think ? If he is so smart he won’t be a pawn ♟️ for Washington to Control
First impression - he is TOTALLY ignorant of the history of this conflict and thinks it all started on Oct 7.
As soon as he said that Israel are moving into a ground invasion.. I was like this guy huffs glue for sure. Israel is just bombing children.
So.... 2 of Jocko's 4 children get killed by bombing. The people who dropped the bomb say "Sorry Jocko - here is some money for your 2 dead children". Jocko says "thank you for the money, I'm cool with that"...... Yeah..... I don't think so!
The whole invasion of the middle east was such a shit show we went there under false pretenses because of 911, and to make matters worse we left causing chaos in the region. The right move would have been to stay their permanently and continued to try to help the population.
I mean to call him delusional or propagandistic is laughably inadequate. Guy lives in a different realm entirely
The question is, why were your children killed in a bombing?
@@jeffreylysen7647 is that really the question? Are kids known for their amazing discernibility and knowledge of their surroundings and the intentions of strangers? What about if a bad guy runs into a school and the school gets blown up?
@@playea123 I'm just curious your thoughts. Given I have been to this part of the world for various reasons, many times, and want to know why you think Israel might bomb certain areas.
Ok ooof those first 10 minutes where he’s imagining that Palestinians will be more mad at Hamas than Israel… I appreciate jockos viewpoint but he may need to talk to some Palestinians because he may be a bit out of touch with this specific conflict
he is very out of touch, completely does not understands 100 years of ethnic cleansing and imprisonment
I think what he's trying to say is that if you adopt the strategy of actually treating the people fairly, helping them, working with them and painting a clear contrast between yourself and the insurgents, then that's how people will start to feel. I would need to listen again, but I don't think he was saying that this is the situation currently. He goes on to talk about how they specifically didn't level Ramadi, seemingly in contrast with what is happening in Gaza. I think he's advocating for the only strategy that could possibly change the views of the Palestinians, which is to begin treating them humanely.
Edit: Only reacting to the first ten min, still listening to the rest of it...
@@FluorinatedMonomer so you think the Nazi Zionist Jews only been abusing the Palestinians for 10 minutes?? 😄😄😄
@@FluorinatedMonomerthat’s not possible after 100 years of murder and thief and second class citizenship aka no rights
@@asia89572 What is a strategy that the Israelis could use that would protect them from future terror attacks and also move toward peace with the Palestinians? To me, it seems like what Jocko is advocating is at least a move in the right direction, but I'm genuinely curious to know your thoughts. Given the current situation, what should Israel realistically do now?
I liked Jocko's story about working with Sheikh's in Ramadi. I come from Fallujah and was there during the occupation. I can confirm his story about working with local sheikhs as I've seen it with my own eyes. I've seen local "sheikh" getting paid in duffle bags of cash to encourage his people not to attack coalition forces. A couple of weeks later, the "sheikh" and his associates were rolling around in brand new armoured Land Cruisers and attacks on coalition soldiers were going as per normal.
I'm assuming the US local commander in my town had the same view as Jocko. What he failed to understand is that if the "Sheikh" even hinted to anyone about not attacking the invaders, that would have been a death sentence for him. So the US commander ended up funding the "Sheikh's" lifestyle for nothing in return. But I'm sure he wrote a nice report to the higher ups about how he's "working with local leaders to win hearts and minds".
Jocko is either lying or just delusional. My bet is on delusional since Americans in general have a hero complex.
As an American I have heard such stories from other Iraqi's, and I believe they also did the same in Afghanistan. Definitely other investigative outlets have confirmed as much. This guy is just getting high on his own inflated sense of self worth. So the delusion is definitely sky high for sure.
@@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88 Jocko is a classic narcissistic psychopath that's typical of politicians, generals, judges, cops, CEOs, BANKERS, doctors, lawyers, preachers, kings, queens, media, sales, etc.. that 💘 power and 💵,💘 to dictate how others live and die, and 💘 to be admired and adored like GODS.. 💯💯
🇺🇸 didn't become a superpower without a bunch of narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths who believed they're exceptional.. 💯💯
A few more discrepancies on the comparisons here. 1. these are NOT insurgents. these are the sons of locals so you will not effectively mitigate the population by paying a local sheik to build a bridge. 2. These are Jews going into Gaza so here will be no hearts and minds won and there are 1600 years of evidence to support this. 3. There were no rocket attacks landing on Jocko's wife and kids while he went into Ramadi so no need to expedite the occupation so he could let the "siege do its thing" and Jocko had never lost his own children in prior attacks. 4. Vivak incorrectly refers to Mosel as good example of how to employ tactics. I was there and they leveled the city block by block with almost no regard for civilian population(official casualty estimates from Mosel are a farce cooked up to support the government in Bahgdad) , It just wasn't discussed in the media because there were no Jews involved. 5. Finally instead of 300 insurgents they have to get 30,000 who have had 13 years to prepare for this.
Cant you both be right?
Its funny how he talks about people showing support for the guys in charge in Gaza, then pivots to how he didn't see animosity when they killed civilians. Like yeah bro, that's cause you were in charge there! Wait till you leave!
Exactly
That's because his "deployment" was 90 days long, and the battlespace owner had to deal with the aftermath after he left.
it's very different circumstances I don't know why jaco isn't being challenged by the fact that the Shia Iraqis hated Al Qaeda because it was soni Muslims not the Case in Gaza they are all brothers and sisters you can't easily take them on your side like you did in Iraq and Israel knows this
Afghanistan, where as soon as we left they all surrendered or joined the taliban. 20 years down the crapper
@@ludwigvonsowell5347😂 what was the original mission objective for invading Afghanistan?
Damn. Saagar looks great in the Oppenheimer sequel
When Saagar Enjetti said, "Its SAAGARING time!"
I literally bought Breaking Points merchandise and built an altar to Krystal Ball....
After listening to Jocko I now know why the Middle East was such a disaster... how could he be so out of touch on this? Like the guy, thank him for his service, but wow.
What part did you disagree with?
@@chiefkaha5650he thinks that the Palestinians would have any positive feelings towards the IDF. A complete joke.
@@vinbakeshow8709 What is your solution?
@@vinbakeshow8709 no he doesn’t, he’s just going off what had happened in his experience. He knows it’s not going to be the same.
@@chiefkaha5650 that’s literally what he said dude
This interview is wild imagine your daughter being bombed and you're like oh she was in the wrong place at the wrong time 😂. I can't
forreal this interview is a joke😂😂
@@MegaBillyJoeGno way any part of that statement is true.
@@SamFromQueensYea go watch it. This guy is a clown and he’s the reason why we lost every war he’s been in because of idiots in our military
Omg exactly
Sagar doesn't even mildly challenge. As to Jacki, he has lucrative speaking gig. Anti Israel would DESTROY that.
Jocko says that the palestinians wont rebel against hamas because they provide the food, public services, jobs and they are armed; but then when talking about the relationship between the iraqui population and the coalition he forgets that the coalition provided the food, public services and jobs (because the coalition destroyed the countryand took control over most companies and the public sector) and they where armed.
And when the u.s. pulled out a even worse sunni group isis took control so hes completely wrong
I love Jocko, but I am so happy to see the comments full of people pointing out the fallacies in this type of narrative
Maybe it’s the 99% of the commenters on this video that don’t understand insurgency warfare that are wrong
@@joshualewis8923right?
Jocko embarrassed himself. If a guy in the pub said half of his comments you would clearly tell the guy to educate himself on Gaza. Navy seals guy really not doing his homework.
@@davidcrossan they never do. They’re the high school football team of the military. Of course YOU didn’t know this.
lol Jocko is not only a navy seal. He’s a navy seal commander who is an expert in warfare. His points are backed by decades of hard learned experience and implementation. No moron in the RUclips comments knows better than him.
The amount of delusion exhibited by this guest is unparalleled.
You meant both of them?? That's actually normal.. 💯💯😄😄
This guest has forgotten more about counter insurgency warfare then what what "you think" you know. lol Its always the idiots that have never engaged in modern warfare that are the 1st to run their gobb on the internet
When he said, oh an isreali operative going into a refugee camp and talking to the locals... Me just sitting here, you mean the refugee camp they bombed?? That convo will go over well I'm sure
He got successful for kissing the ring.
Well.. Jocko said anyone can be bought with enough worth less fiat 💵💵 like himself.. 💯💯
At least they used some real silver coins in the old days.. 😄😄
@@Gangsta1168 wow ...that was cold ...but accurate
He made his career trading in SEAL tactics and trade secrets. He knows where the money flows.
The primary problem with comparing Gaza to Ramadi is that ISIS was not really local, and did not have deep roots in that city. Furthermore, coalition forces had the backing of influential portions of Iraqi society.... none of this is true in Gaza. Hamas is from Gaza, with massively deep roots. There are no significant portions or Palestinian society that support Israel, instead they have been training their young people to hate Jews for at least a century.
If Israelis try to hire Gazans to rebuild their wrecked homeland... well, good luck to that!
It appears to be insoluble.
I’ve been to Gaza four times and have many Gazan friends. You’re completely wrong: this is not Iraq. People hated Hamas before this. But now, with Israeli committing genocide and trying to expel them all from Palestine, they are completely unified in resisting the Occupation. They’re hearts and minds are with ending the occupation, securing their freedom, and returning to their homes in what is now Israel as per UNR194.
Do not waste time comparing this to Iraq.
Liar. The Arabs started their campaign of genocide against the Jews in 1937.
Israelis are exceptionally bad at genocide. In 1948 there were about 1.3 million palestinians. Now 75 years later according to the palestinians there are about 5 million in the territories. That's being really shit at genocide, or just possibly the Israelis are not trying to commit genocide.
Jocko has no idea what's going on in Gaza... All he knows is what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan
I bet you he still didn't really know why he was sent there.. 💯💯😄😄
He still understands more than we do about the current situation
Please enlighten us with your 20 years of military operations experience
@@Max-jn5sp I've been playing CandC since I'm 5 years old pal
@@davywavy3724it seems like the opposite. His previous experience adds a bias and slant towards his understanding. He sees it like an Iraq war instead of its own thing.
Unfortunately the comparison is not a good one, because the people of Gaza are directly oppressed by the military performing the insurgency. Not the case in Ramala
It's counter insurgency by the Nazi Zionist Jews.. Actually they call it mowing the lawn.. 💯💯
So Hamas doesn't oppress Palestineans
No they are oppressed by an occupying regime nice try though no one is buying this nonsense and no Palestinians would ever help IsNotReal
@@treeoflife162the brainwashed delusion in these pro-Hamas supporters is hilarious and depressing. I guarantee 99% have no idea what led to this state of affairs in the first place.
@@treeoflife162 From the Palestinian perspective, they see it as there are no governments of the world supporting them except Hamas. It's wrong to think that way, but that is the level of hatred that exists between the 2 states.
This was so delusional that I had to switch off. Jacko has no idea, and Sagaar just went with it. If you really think there is a scenario where the Palestinians will welcome and thank the occupiers after 75 years of brutality then you have no right to have any platform
I think this is why the dynamic between sagaar and Krystal interviewing together is needed. Although ppl hate when Krystal “interrupts”, this interview needed several moment of pushback and elaboration. Sagaar kinda just swallowed the narrative and went on to more questions
True that!!
This is Saagar's true face.
Besides pomegranate, this is the most accurate take, well said.
She would not push back anything in this interview. She knows nothing of what they are talking about. Otherwise, she would have been there.
Saagar looked nervous from the jump 😂😂
Jocko contradicted himself way too much during course of this interview
Do you not feel impelled to give examples when you say things like that? You just post it and... That's it..
@@Galop-rk3lcdid you listen to the podcast at all? I listened for 20m and I’ve heard enough contradictions I don’t need timestamps
He got the call😂
its cause the dude has no idea what hes talking about. of all the people they couldve interviewed for some insightful perspective on the war, they decided to interview an former-army INFLUENCER? cmon
@@omgwtfishappenthis. Dude has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to this particular topic.
“And of course we would pay them money to apologize for what had happened when civilians got killed” is one of the grossest collection of words I’ve ever heard.
Is the host delusional? “Our mission in Iraq was to destroy Al Queda. “ What??! He really believes we were fighting Al Queda in Iraq?? What a Dunce.
That's exactly what reparations means. If you want to get really grossed out. Look up what the us department of agriculture values a human life. Then look at what the owners of cruise lines think a human life is worth.
That's quite a generous thing to do considering the alteration to the survivors life, not just emotionally. Think realistically.
Would you rather they don't pay them anything?
its seems Jocko has no nuance in this particular scenario.
Jocko and the American GWOT generation has more real world experience in asymmetric counter insurgency warfare then 99% of the worlds militaries lol. What country are you from? lol
Wow. Im a bit taken back by his ignorance of this conflict.
He didn't check the news, on that day. LOL
@@KalashniKEV762 he knows who his masters are.. 💵💵😄😄
He was giving a military perspective. If you want someone to stroke your ego about Israel not having the right to exist, jump over to Andrew Tate or something.
@@JMo-uh5cd There is an inbetween. Unless you're not allowed to critique israel that is...
@@nightbroker did someone fire u for saying that? Almost everyone losing their jobs right now are critiqing israel.
I lost it at "let's put Walmart and Starbucks in Iraq" boomer brain rot at levels I didn't even believe possible.
This
“We know that my son was in the wrong place at the wrong time” is not a sentiment any parent has ever had ever😂.
Was thinking the same
I had to stop after that ridiculous statement lol this guy is full of shiiii
Yes it is. Tragic accidents happen all the time. A parent can think that and still be overwhelmed by grief. I'm not arguing for the validity of this in the context of their conversation but your comment is a false and shallow counterargument.
Probably the only way he can sleep, by convincing himself of this trash 😂
@@LouisEdouardJacquesnaw, never heard one patent say that. And you haven't either
Remember when Jocko said Ukraine was going to beat Russia? 🤣
No, I don't. Do you have a timestamp on one of his video's?
remember when jocko said to invest in nfts? 🤣
They won’t win by driving the Russians completely out of Ukraine but I bet they will keep them from massive land grabs.
He is the arms of the imperialist not the brains. Clearly
They actually are beating the russians .......... awks
It warms my heart to see the breaking points comminity overwhelmingly on the same page on this conflict.
On the side of the terrorists that go on television and admit they want a second holocaust. Personally I find it deeply disturbing
@@politotrujillo1722 as opposed to the one supporting a genocidal government that previous was caught forcefully sterilizing Ethiopian Jews? The one who said no racism in Israel yet Ethiopian Jews report being isolated and unable to speak with others. Or should we talk about threatening new reporters and photographers, using assassins, selling weapons to enemies of the US (which we gave them for defense but when sold to China ended up in Iran). Who is currently using white phosphorous ordinance on civilian locations? Which also includes damaging one of the oldest churches in the world. At the moment Israel’s doctrine is bomb areas to the stone age and never do anything else. Didn’t Israel also have this illegal embargo for more than a decade on Gaza, and keeps making more settlements in Gaza? Oh wait when reports are done on that IDF makes sure to accidentally fire at reporters…
@@28Decimo I can tell you for certain the reports on white phosphorus weren’t true and the mosques that get hit are being used as weapons caches making them valid military targets which calls into question the things I can’t verify. But what’s the absolute worst is the way you call isreal the genocidal state when that is a complete inversion of reality. Isreal by all reports has gone far and beyond what any other military on earth has done to warn civilians to leave the area they’re going to bomb while Hamas soldiers block evacuation and shoot their own citizens who try to leave because they want their own citizens to die by Israeli weapons so they can use the corpses to make more propaganda for western smoothbrains. The only side who wants a genocide is Palestine. The Arabs in isreal have full rights, run for office sit on the judiciary. The Jews in Palestine… there are no Jews in Palestine because a Jew in Palestinian territory is killed on the spot. Also if isreal wanted a genocide, they have an Air Force. They could glass the entire territory in less than 6 hours so if they’re so genocidal why haven’t they just done it yet.
@@politotrujillo1722
Enjoy getting your ignorance publicly eviscerated by anybody who actually tracks Tel Aviv’s ocean of humanitarian violations
The militarized apartheid in Hebron alone exposes their entire ideology as sociopathic. But good luck regardless I guess
@@politotrujillo1722I agree. October 10 these losers were telling Israel, so sad , to bad, suck it up. Pathetic
It sounds as if Iraq has no more problems?!
No he basically says hearts and minds is better than total war but that it didnt really work either
@@KN-cool Is there a single country NATO or America has intervened in and, left it happily ever after?
@@beingnasser is that a question?
@@KN-cool He went as a solider, not a pacifist.
@@beingnasser yes he went as a soldier but it's almost like you didn't listen to the interview 😂🤣
We are the good guys complex has clouded his judgement in the specific topic. Hama is bad but the Israel government who support Hama in the first place to further their agenda are just as bad. Palestians have suffer from Hama no doubt but Israel has made them suffer much more. Open air prison with limited access to basic human needs met was a disaster waiting to happen.
I think a more important example is how they are thrown out of their homes and into refugee camps in the west bank where there is no armed resistance or hamas is a bigger issue. When they dont have hamas, they are treated as I stated. Where there is hamas this doesnt happen. Until this fact is addressed and corrected there will always be conflict and hamas (or whatever name the choose to adopt in the future).
Interesting that the opposite end of the "prison" wall is upheld by a country called Egypt
I really enjoy how Jocko always brings back sympathy and emotion into some of his answers. I felt like Saagar was expecting Jocko to say at times " yeah, this is war and people are going to die no matter how much you try to prevent it...there are a lot of Palestinians who support Hamas and voted them in....collateral damage cannot be avoided...etc" but Jocko always brings back simple answers like, the Palestinians are regular people who are just trying to support their families so of course a lot of them have no choice but to support their current government because what else choice do they have? If they resist Hamas, they'll just be killed.
I noticed lately that Saagar doesnt bring any emotion into his views and beliefs because he wants to stay true to his principles, which is respectable, but at the same time, its easy to forget that people are just trying to live a good life and support their families. Debates tend to be overcomplicated when the answer can just be simple and not so thought out. Im glad Jocko kept emphasizing how the majority of people are just normal trying to get by. US media including independent media can really overcomplicate things happening around the world.
I bet you're one of those well-trained law obeying 🐑 🐑 that VOTED repeatedly for their masters then cry like little babies when bad things happen.. 💯💯😄😄😄
Exactly. No one who has ever been "in the shit" would ever be foolish enough to say something like that hypothetical quote.
Joko has clearly realized what his tribal position should be on this subject since his initial comments lol
I'm sure Jocko was a great soldier and I respect him tremendously. But this was an interview that didn't need to happen.
Why?
Your comment didnt need to happen either goof
@@jocksharerock7318 Because all of his points are under baked and reek of what caused the US to lose both the conflicts he fought in.
Exactly. The counter insurgency in Iraq and afghanistan, along with the subsequent "hearts, minds and wallets" as Jocko mentions, was a disaster of epic proportions. If someone thinks that was a successful strategy, I got news for them.
Exactly
10 min inn and it's already better than any SNL sketch 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 this guy logic is hilarious
"they're doing the best they can" ... unbelievable
It is really exasperating how someone like Jacko knows so little about what is going on
Or does he?
Or just intentionally pushing military propaganda. Saagar on that military industrial complex payroll as well. They don't have souls. Just egos and wallets. Krystal should leave this goon to his own insignificant babble and let him become a joe rogan fluffer.
@@Violet-ty2mnnah, it’s good for ppl to be able to see thru this stuff. Just like u did.
Wasn't going to be the first one to mention it, but I found myself scratching my head during this interview. Sounds like a lot of thinly sourced conjecture. I get it's an opinion but sounds like he's just riffing here and making stuff up.
👑
Proud of everyone here.. It's people like you that are helping save this world, literally. Salute
Cheers to the BP audience for ratioing the fuck out of this entire interview. Jocko needs more friends to tell him when he's out over his skiis
If Israel really wants peace, it will require the Palestinians to have self determination.
Israel MUST be forced into obeying international law if Israel wants freedom from fear.
Self determination, like an election? How’d that go last time. 😂
@@gianni_schicchi They voted in 2006 but the Israelis and Americans didn't like who they voted for, Hamas, and so they just ignored the result and has put Gaza under a siege ever since...leading to the October 7th attacks.
How did that go?
@@gianni_schicchiyou do realize the west bank and gaza have been colonized for decades even during the 2006 elections
Most importantly, Palestinians need to give up armed struggle and come to the bargaining table to reach a final settlement with Israel that gives them the fair amount of land they deserve. The Armed struggle approach dooms the region to eternal conflict
@@kenfriedman8446 you mean what they have tried for decades and got nothing out of it except more death and settlements?
Seems to me this interview didn’t go over so well among the general viewership.
Yeah not sure I want to listen. It may give it a go…couldn’t tell if this was posted somewhere specifically for people to hate view or what!
We will see…
He's not giving them what they want so he must be a shill.
Oh oh jocko missed all the postcolonial lectures at the war school
im soo in love with this comment section, hold this man accountable, which you are, this is wonderful
Sorry you don't feel that way about Krystal's interview; if you had, I'd agree with you.
Lol Jocko doesn’t give a shit about comments 😂
@@ryanthelionish ok...great....
@@casey4450 i havent seen her interview to feel a way about it
You really want to utter the word accountability but then in the same breathe take sides with the guys who just raped, burned, and mass murdered thousands of civilians a month ago ….you have no credibility. Unlike Jocko, who has been fighting the war on terror while you were learning your ABCs
The way saagar been citing and hoping this guy up I was really hoping for a better analysis, he didn’t lay any critique to Israel and seem to be trusting all of their propaganda
I'm not surprised that krystal wasn't invited 🤣
Saagar gave zero pushback or counterpoints to anything Jocko assessed…
He was too stary eyed
I felt like he was trying to draw info out of Jacko. Clearly Jacko has a bias, instead of saying, oh boy you’re way off here, he would frame the next question to try to get something useful.
Not every conversation needs to be a debate. Or anytime someone says something we have to question it. Sometimes just being quiet and listening you’ll get information or wisdom from what is being said even if what is being said isn’t “correct”. The news and sport shows has ruined the way we communicate, not social media. Not everything needs to be a panel of 5 people talking over each other and every has to be profound in the 20 seconds they have on each subject. Sometimes just stfu and think.
Jocko is 10 times more qualified to speak encounter, insurgency warfare than Sagar, or frankly, any of the commenters on this video
@@joshualewis8923 and yet we have such horrible idiotic takes.
And I don’t disagree with your statement either.
9:07 “and of course, you know, we would pay them money to, you know, apologize for what had happened when civilians got killed”. I had to go back 2 times to make sure he said that
💯!!!
I mean as far as I’m aware, that’s more than what Israel’s been doing
@@jamesk7063and then us Americans are surprised when they call us “the great evil”
This psycho don’t even realize what they’re saying cause, well, they’re psychos. They just don’t see brown people as human beings just like him so Joko is incapable to put himself in the shoes of the victims families even for a second.
They also paid many people for destroying their homes and tried to find them jobs too
Bring Jocko back for a 6 month review.
Gaza and Ramadi are not the same AT ALL.
I was expecting an insightful take, but I'm shocked it's so deluded. How can Israel win the hearts and minds if the Israelis have a goal of creating a greater Israel and, by definition, want to prevent and remove any chance of a Palestinian state. How can you win the hearts and minds of the Palestinian if a large section of Israelis society see them as subhuman. And I haven't even mentioned the 6,000 children and counting they have murdered so far.
It’s like having a convo with half the details omitted
Nah.. It sounded like CIA propaganda.. 💯💯😄😄
So refreshing to hear a conversation where they just accept that Israel exists and has a right to continue to exist.
@@JMo-uh5cdeven Arafat agreed that Israel had the right to exist. The idea that Palestinians want to destroy Israel is bollocks. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, has been deliberately misconstrued by Israel. They need an irrational demon to sell to their people.. Palestinians being free doesn't require the destruction of Israel. It requires its own State as agreed between Arafat and Rabin..
Someone summed up the situation quite eloquently. Israel teaches it's children that Palestinians teach their children to hate Israel. Israel manifests its own enemies through its actions..
it's almost like a conversation between two people who care about America and have a realistic view of Hamas and Jihad
@@JMo-uh5cd did Nazi Germany have a right to exist?? 😄😄
Hear that the Americans actually considered the locals human and avoided hurting them, whereas 🇮🇱 openly states they don't consider the locals human
Yep, someone needs to make a compilation of all the times the Israeli government refers to Palestinians are animals. I've seen numerous videos.
5 mins in, and it sounds like Jaco doesn't know wtf he's talking about.
Lol like you do? 😂 🤡
9:36 "putting you in the situation in the first place" is most ridiculous statements I've ever heard...in the West Bank THERE IS NO HAMAS and yet still people are getting killed...I respect Jacks POV on many things but in this situation he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
Imagine referring the inhabitants of a country you’re attempting to invade as “insurgents” and still trying to act like you speak with any credibility. 🤔
Lol. Jocko said the civilians might look positively at Israel "once they're sitting in a refugee camp and the IDF is giving them supplies and asking them questions", like dude, Jocko clearly has no idea Isreal has been bombing all the refugee camps. And Sagar is just sitting there fan-boying out. wtf am I watching lol
YOUR WATCHING THE TRUTH----------------YOUR THE BRAIN WASHED ----
Exactly. Thank u!
Such a great comment. This is wild seeing this. Maybe Krystal can give a reaction to this
I think Jocko doesn’t know why the refugee camps exist in the first place…
Just watched conservatives sitting in their echo chambers. A painful experience. Saagar is the wrong one to be talking to this guy alone. The dude literally called Israel's genocide-from-the-air "bold action" and had the audacity to claim that Israel is making efforts to take care of Gazans and that Gazans will be thankful to the Israeli military for "liberating" them, and not a peep out of Saagar. Jocko, if I'm being very kind, has blind spots the size of the Grand Canyon.
This isnt conservativism.
Conservatism is a cultural, social, and political philosophy that seeks to promote and to preserve traditional institutions, customs, and values.
Israel hasn't bombed any hospitals afaik. You need to do some homework.
How did Saagar not even push back once about the strategy of Israel bombing the hospitals and the people en route to “ safety “ in the south and the refugee camps !!!??? I think he was honestly scared of Jocko. And I am a huge Jocko fan.. but I don’t think he is right about some of the stuff here. Unless he doesn’t believe the Palestinians are under occupation in Gaza. So the title is completely click bait. Krystal would have been pressing him more.
This was very disappointing.
Sagaar is a clown and his "anti war" schtick is a charade
You and Jocko don’t have to have the same viewpoint. You are two different people the fact that he sees things differently than you should make you think about your own beliefs, and question them reasonably, then question his beliefs in a similar fashion.
Why would he be scared? Don't be an imbecile.
They're not under occupation in Gaza. Israel left in 2005. All Israelis living there had to leave. The failure of the civilization in Gaza is the fault of Palestine. It's easier to blame Israel for their failure rather than the Palestinians take responsibility for their failed society. It's trendy and cool to blame others for your own failures. Many groups in the U.S blame colonization, white supremacy, or patriarchy for their failures.
Jocko seems to not be aware that entire families and neighborhoods are being wiped out. I get the example of the US in a village, but this is nothing like that. He knows war but he does not know this one. Sagar is obviously a fan and is not correcting the context
100% agree, Jocko. It makes zero sense that permanent DST has not been passed in CA or federally. Let’s get this done people!
No thanks
I think we're seeing a lot of people we thought we could trust going through their 'Sam Harris' moments.
Fucking A. Sam lost the plot entirely...
Noones ganna be right forever. Every person in the world will eventually disappoint you with something they think. This one’s a biggie tho.
@@mikealaniz7236
Correct. I thought much the same about things til I started to listen to real experts like Scott Ritter and Doug McGregor.
I'm sure Jocko's advice on weight training or being an 'Alpha' is spot on but on geo strategy he's no better informed than my mother in law.
@@mesolithicman164 no I think he knows more than that but as a soldier that made it high in the ranks he must be aware of the politics of it. And it seems obvious here he’s avoiding certain things.
What exactly is a Sam Harris moment?
Thats why military ppl shouldn't be politicians..
although there are far smarter military man than this guy, he's just someone who's good at getting it done, not understanding the world
Why can’t he be President? Someone draft him for President!
Yo sagar's villain arc starts here😂
I haven’t heard the whole thing yet, but I’m bothered that the real underlying issue of Zionism hasn’t been brought up yet.
Define Zionism please
It's a radical religious ideology that pursies of building an ethnostate in the Palestine excluding any other nation religion or race except the Jews. And achieving the goals by any means necessary
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Zionism strictly speaking is the idea that the Jews should create a European-style nation state of their own.
In our timeline, that means taking over the little triangle in the Levant that they currently occupy.
The "underlying issue" is that it's a single-minded goal, and doesn't see room for compromise with reality.
"The Jews WILL have a homeland, it's going to be HERE, and that's that! I don't care what the local people say, I've already decided that this is how it's going to be. God is on my side, we're His Chosen People, so I can't be wrong!"-
- that's the logic you're dealing with when examining Israel. They're not even willing to negotiate. The "deals" they put forth before set unrealistic terms. The goal all along has been to exterminate or expel all Palestinians and complete the Israeli triangle-shape.
@@ethancohen12 no
@@ethancohen12 Zionism is a fundamentally racist view that ALL of Israel belongs to Jews ONLY. There is actually a greater Israel wersion where Israel would also take part of Egypt, all of Jordan, Syria , part of Turkey, half of Iraq and 40% of Saudi Arabia. Zionism needs to get rid of all Muslims at least and possibly expand further. It is a brutal ideology . Some have a more modest view where it just means Israel should exist. But for most true Zionists its far more malignant.
Hostages might grapple with the stark realization that their own nation was conducting bombings and causing harm while their adversaries were the ones working to preserve their lives.
This is a weird conversation. This is a massacre not war
His point abt propping up the economy of the Palestinians is so key bc once you root out the poverty and the oppression and the blockade you effectively root out hamas by default. The ONLY reason they exist is bc people have no hope in any future of any kind.
I think Jocko doesn’t know what’s going on, lol 🤣.
But nonbinary breaking points viewers who have never fired a gun are experts on urban warfare. Ok.
It’s not about how to clear houses like a badass, it’s about being aware of the nature of the Israelis and their endless occupation. But if you like crying about wokeness and non binaries then hurry up check out the rainbow flag soldiers the IDF uses in their bullshit propaganda, the all female tank squads, the thirst trap girls playing dress up
And that's the problem. People who know nothing dismissing people that have lived through it.
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This guys sounds so off to me that ten minutes into this interview i think I’ll just go find something else to watch on RUclips to try and educate myself on the situation.
Watch Empire Files’s Gaza Fights For Freedom or read amnesty internationals report on Israeli apartheid & military occupation. The pro Israel position is already pretty well represented in mainstream media.
I’m gonna let this interview finish, but at 20 minutes in a feel like they’re completely ignoring serious facts about the situation…
Now that I’ve watched the whole interview, I don’t know if they did or not. But I feel like if they didn’t they should have made clear they were looking at the conflict purely from a military standpoint point. But this interview has ZERO context to the conflict and if you don’t know anyth about the conflict you’d come away from this interview believing the Biden and Israel government telling of the story which is bullshit. Saagar should know better than this.
They are speaking from a military perspective.
For real they’re so biased to Israel lol
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@@Strawn149 I was kinda hoping that 75% through and I just missed the part where they mentioned that. That being said, when he got into the “Hearts and Minds” argument it then becomes impossible to ignore the context. Because it can’t be ignored in Palestine unlike in Iraq that the Palestinians living conditions is more a result of Israel then Hamas. Israel makes the decision to leave them without water, food and medicine and had made those decisions before Oct 7th, not Hamas. Israel also makes the decision to go into Gaza everyday few years to “Mow the Lawn”, not Hamas. Israel made the decision to institute the blockade, not Hamas. And Israel also has the ideology that dictates they can’t allow Muslims to have to large of a population because it will threaten their state simply from them existing. They also made the decision to continue to expand the illegal settlements. At lastly, only cause I don’t feel like typing anymore. The Palestinian Authority is widely looked upon negatively because they’re seen as collaborators with the Israel state and is not for the Palestinians. Which is the alternative to Hamas which theoretically would be useful in Jacko’s description of how things should go forward. He can speak from a purely Military state point for the most part and I don’t mind it despite the fact I like context. But when he makes the “Hearts and Minds” argument, you can’t seriously make that argument without context, at least not honestly.
By facts Do you mean making absurd straw man arguments where Hamas bombing, Israel is war but Israel bombing hamas. Back is a war crime because You only listen to the perspective of people who are ideologues.
Those labelled 'terrorist' were actually local people resisting military occupation of their homeland.
They lost numerous wars get over it.
They decapitated infants. If you sign off on that God bless your soul
What occupation? Gaza hasn't been occupied for years.
What i hate most about this "interview" is that Jacko will just state things and Sagaar would just swallow it with even asking "what's your basis for saying that?" Like: What is your basis for saying people were kept from fleeing? What makes you think people will give up their Hamas relatives anyone than Afghans giving up their Taliban sons and nephews?
The basis is that there are videos of Palestinians saying they can't evacuate because they are prevented from doing so at gunpoint. Also, true family won't give up family but not everyone has family to give up.
@@alvc22 I haven't seen those but I'll take your word for it. But that wasn't the only thing he said. He kept say "I've never been to Gaza, but I feel x". I'd like to know his reasons.
I read a statistic that says half of Gaza are married to a first cousin. In such a society families are huge. When 1 in 56 people have been killed or injured, and 1 in 200 killed, everyone is touched.
@@robinirie98 interesting statistic. Being from a large family myself, I can also tell you that families though unified by blood, can still split over politics and policy especially when it's life and death. What about the statistic that 13% of Palestinians do not support the Oct 7 attack? It's been documented that many lie in public polls so as not to be punished. So the real number is higher. I will admit that the number of Gazans willing to give up Hamas isn't huge, maybe as high as 20% if one is very liberal and optimistic.
@@robinirie98 BTW the Son of Hamas was quite happy to give up his father who was one of the founding members of Hamas. You don't need a ton of people to help, just a few well connected ones.
@@alvc22 You need sufficient to make a difference. There are loads of informants among the Palestinians; that's well known. But are there enough? Is it credible that after killing 1 in 200 people are going to be more inclined to inform? And Palestinian who speaks to a stranger now is a marked man/woman. The idea that Israeli agents just need to go in these refugees camps as if Hamas operatives and informants won't be there watching
I would imagine the majority of the Palestinians would be about as thankful to the Israelis as the U.S.S Liberty survivors that Jocko had on his podcast last year would be. Would love to see the Liberty survivors get an interview on Breaking Points.
Awesome suggestion! Krystal is lot more on point then her counter part.
Nah, Krystal's interview with RFK Jr was pretty bad. Fine to be inquisitive to challenge but she got ideological and brought up criticisms without letting him respond. Wtf. She's too hot-headed with too many blindspots.
Saagar has his issues too.
@@emailmak4434 Krystal is off the rails and just spewing her personal hatred DAILY.
@@Critical-Thinker895find it funny that the dumbest comment with nothing more than biases username is critical thinker 😂
@porter9494how about we go back to the UN borders despite it giving the newcomers the majority share of the land.
Hearts and minds has a 0 percent success rate so far in history
How cool for Saagar to meet a real Navy Seal toughie. Not much else to say about this interview.
This is not journalism. You had one shot…and you blew it.
😂 Journalism is where you only give one sides. Opinion then insist to your audience that the other sides lying about everything.. Purposely misrepresent facts and cast out on things that have been proven to be true Is it really that hard for you to listen to someone else's opinion that disagrees with crystal? Are you such a cuck That you can't handle Analysis from someone who's naughty complete ideologue, who bases their opinions off of ideology, not facts on the ground
So true. I would've rather have Ryan interview him, because he gives pushback and has plenty of knowledge to back his points up. I think sometimes Saagar really comes off as a fanboy in some of these interviews, and doesn't want to "rock the boat" so to speak.
Is it supposed to be? He's asking a man for his opinion.
Love Jocko, but he missed the part where in the iraq war we made an effort to not kill civilians. Here there's like a 50 to 1 ratio for civilian kills vs confirmed terrorist kills. He's also missing the part where these people had their homes and everything they owned destroyed, then got kicked out from their lands.
Yes but I believe you and many other commenters on here “missed the part” about the Palestinians and their leadership are just as culpable as the IDF for the situation they find themselves in.
Clearly Jocko is very careful with his words & being cancelled… crazy how careful he is with this after his initial reaction
Where can I see his initial reaction?
Yea not to mention his audience is mostly right leaning, they dont support any sympathy for hamas or Palestinians
@@selfportrait8363 ruclips.net/video/3O4dW24az98/видео.htmlsi=t9xAsobZsoWKzVOq
How do you fathom that you can cancel Jocko?
@@AL3X2011 and how do you suppose people would cancel him?
Never forget USS LIBERTY
The way Joko is framing civilians being at the wrong place and time is disgusting. My father was a Vietnam vet, he spoke candidly about the war crimes committed by the so-called good guys. Joko has more than enough experience, intelligence and access to know what's going on. He said their efforts to minimize civilian casualties in Ramadi was extraordinary. So why is he tip toeing around Israel's spoken and acted intent to do as much damage as possible with minimal regard for civilians? I think he is pandering to his base; the companies he provides consultations for, the proud American patriots who buy his books, etc. Like so many others, he dare not call Israel out.
It’s weirdly disappointing. Like I assumed he would be better and I don’t know why.
Why was this guy interviewed? Seems he knows very little about this conflict and didn’t even do any homework on it. He’s just making assumptions and projecting his past experiences onto current events, but even his past experiences sound odd. Why give him a platform to spread more misinformation?
I’d love to see a deep dive military analysis with Scott Ritter on Breaking Points
isn't that the guy who spent time in prison for kiddie sex crimes?
Hey Sagar, this interview with Jocko Willink seemed designed as an opportunity for you to exercise your constant (and childish) fascination with military strategy and combat tactics. We heard that train of thought from you again and again, ad nauseum. The actual potential for resolution of this war and crisis is neither about Israel doing things to improve the economy and/or lifestyle of Palestinians, nor is it about Israel trying out a new posture to "make friends with your neighbors." Um, sudden friendly relations would be hard to pull off after so much carpet bombing killing of Palestinians. I'm appalled, but not surprised, that you guys (given your military wonk beliefs) failed to tackle the elephant in the room. This situation calls for a political solution, not a military one. It will include ending Israel's occupation and control of Gaza and the West Bank. Start with that in order to give peace a chance.
When youre talking to a military operations guy you discuss tatics, relax bro
BRILLIANTLY said my friend
It felt like I was listening to someone pitching a Hollywood blockbuster.
All of these upset Muslims hate it when they don’t talk about occupation 😂
None of these people in the comment section have ever lived under hamas rule, it’s not a game about talking points, it’s life
Krystal should also do an interview with Jocko, she'd push him more on civilian casualties in Gaza
oh she got many solo interviews with ant Israel guests. This one is a good balance of her biased interviews
I agree but it would be interesting to see her talk to more people who disagree with her on the topic (the interview with the politician was really good, for example)@@yaeluzan1
@@hannubal4976 good point if she lets him talk tho
After spending years in my 20s advising Iraqi forces and conducting counterinsurgency operations in the North, Central Iraq, and down South, I now realize what we were missing all along that could have peacefully resolved the conflict- WALMART. Thank you, Jack-O.
I would argue that well fed and healthy people with good jobs don't do terrorism, but a Walmart?
@@middleagebrotips3454 "Terrorism" is an almost meaningless term, but the vast majority of those who carry out what we call "Teror Attacks" are well fed and healthy with good jobs. Like, actually... almost all of them.
But what would happen to Wal-Mart if 🇺🇸 can't get cheap stuff from 🇨🇳 anymore?? 😄😄
@@KalashniKEV762true, Hamas is well fed, fat and happy for sure. They steal all the money, medical supplies, food and water from the Palestinians. The high ranking leaders don’t even live there. They live in luxury high rises in Qatar and worth billions. All the while the people suffer. Hamas does a great job of brainwashing the civilians and ruling with fear.
@@Gangsta1168but what would happen to china if the US stopped buying their stuff? It’s creepy how we hate each other but we’re totally dependent on each other at the same time
Love how people in the comments call him brainwashed when he was literally a commander in Iraq fighting WITH Iraqi soldiers against jihadists. He admitted that he doesnt kno the situation in Gaza and has never been there, but is explaining his experience in Iraq fighting alongside friendly Iraqi soldiers and dealing with the poppulace and what the mindset was. The situation in Gaza is obviously way different and Palestinians hate Isrealis so the likelyhood of gettin civilian Palestinians on the side of Israeli seems extremely unlikely
The progressives and democrats in the comment section are too stupid to have this deep of thought