The Lighter Constitution: The Pioneer Class

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  • Опубликовано: 13 дек 2024

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  • @andrewtaylor940
    @andrewtaylor940 Год назад +101

    I love the Pioneer design. Probably the most authentic and compelling TOS era ship design.

    • @peterhans3791
      @peterhans3791 Год назад +7

      Certainly the best of the STO Origional TOS designs

  • @splicetape9435
    @splicetape9435 Год назад +104

    I personally like to think the out of date warp nacelles are a result of either reusing older warp drives removed from other ships during refits or a result of secondary of outdated shipyards building without needing infrastructure updates.

    • @death13a
      @death13a Год назад +11

      I like to think that is because ease of maintenance because it's crew will be C level or just to ease freshly graduates to ships. And since it had short missions, crew would be constantly rotated so ease of maintenance and shear amount of fail safes would make it hard to break. 😅

    • @MrAranton
      @MrAranton Год назад +8

      The nacelles are just one element of a ship’s warp drive. There are also the warp core and the robustness of the hull to give just two examples. If you design a small ship whose warp core only provides power to get it to warp six or warp seven is all the hull can reliably take, why install nacelles that support speeds up to warp nine?

    • @yourstruly4817
      @yourstruly4817 10 месяцев назад +1

      Or maybe Starfleet just likes 60s retro style

    • @confuseatronica
      @confuseatronica 8 месяцев назад

      besides, nacelles aren't really that complicated, are they? They're almost structural, like they hold the weird energies the warp drive makes.
      In my headcanon It always seemed like re-engineing a old plane like a B-52 or C-130: the nacelles aren't the engines of a starship, they're the WINGS. Putting a new warp core into old nacelles would get you almost as much as replacing everything.

    • @PuffyCloud_aka_puffeclaude
      @PuffyCloud_aka_puffeclaude 4 дня назад

      The general canon seems to have developed this idea that the core design effects power/speed, while nacelle design effects efficiency/longevity.
      So, good core, plenty of shields and brute power, good nacelles, better performance at high warp for longer periods.

  • @smnash82
    @smnash82 Год назад +43

    I was so happy to see it in Picard S3. Star Trek Online kept the dream alive. So glad they're incorporating aspects of the game into the shows.

    • @TheOneTrueDragonKing
      @TheOneTrueDragonKing Год назад +6

      And then they blew it by disrespecting the flagship of the entire Federation in that game, giving us all of ten seconds with the Enterprise-F before saying "Oh, she's decommissioned scrap. Here's the REAL Enterprise. Meet the G."
      They said they did it to give us STO fans some recognition. Instead, they gave us a giant middle finger called the USS Enterprise-F, replacing her with the disgusting Neo-Connie Enterprise-G. (Presumably for Gross.) Most other Star Trek Enterprises seen in the series got at least a full episode dedicated to them. Enterprise-B got 30 minutes of Voyager, Enterprise-C got 30 minutes in TNG, and Enterprise F got ten seconds in Picard.
      I guess they just didn't want to pay the creator of the F royalties or something. Either way, massive disrespect just because it was from a game than one of CBS's own works.
      I was happy for STO when they released the ships into canon, but then they blew it by giving the flagship of Star Trek Online a huge middle finger. I'd rather see STO completely decanonized and go back to the status of Trek post-Into Darkness with nothing on TV, than ever see them pull another extremely disrespectful move like that.

    • @3Rayfire
      @3Rayfire Год назад +7

      @@TheOneTrueDragonKingI think it's more because Matalas has a hard on for the TOS/TMP Retro style, which is also why the Sagan and the non-STO 25th century ships in Picard S2 and S3 all look more old school and blocky instead of following the blended lines of the the TNG era ships. Such a fumble. If they'd renamed the Titan-A the Picard nobody would've complained and it would've fit perfectly with the scene.

    • @TheOneTrueDragonKing
      @TheOneTrueDragonKing Год назад +7

      @@3Rayfire Yes, that was the proper move. Name the Titan-A to Picard, not Enterprise.
      Needless to say if I ever meet Matalas in real life he's getting a punch in the jaw from me on behalf of all STO fans for his treatment of our beloved Enterprise-F.
      The only people who love the G are trolls.

    • @wxwxsrg
      @wxwxsrg Год назад

      That wasent a pioneer. Different class.

    • @TheOneTrueDragonKing
      @TheOneTrueDragonKing Год назад

      @@wxwxsrg No, it was a Neo-Constitution.

  • @joshuahadams
    @joshuahadams Год назад +38

    It kinda feels like a callback to the ENT _Intrepid_ with the short aft section on the saucer and overhanging nacelles, just with the underslung secondary hull.

  • @Taiko206
    @Taiko206 Год назад +16

    While looking at this video i wondered what the TMP-era refit of this class would look like, even found some images of it and it looks quite nice. Could go quite well alongside the Columbia class.

  • @stratometal
    @stratometal 4 месяца назад +2

    I loved this little ship. I challenged a buddy to run the entire story using it (up to a point). It was fun, and we only used reward gear as we went along, however we did find the need to get crafted max stuff eventually. We both upgraded to T6 Conies for the end game content. We considered going NX refit since it looks a lot closer to the Pioneer but the skin didn't match the TOS era feel.

  • @Talon1124
    @Talon1124 Год назад +4

    So, it's kinda like the TOS era California class.
    Second line exploration, second contact, in-territory patrol and scouting.

  • @TBKOTOROB
    @TBKOTOROB Год назад +24

    Id like to see the pioneer with a TMP refit

  • @MoonjumperReviews
    @MoonjumperReviews Год назад +8

    I’m guessing that when the designer(s) labeled the the hull with NCC-1501 and added the Cage-era “antenna”-like probes to the warp nacelles, he probably intended this to be a slightly earlier vessel than the Enterprise NCC-1701. But the writers possibly didn’t pick up on that-and made it a younger vessel.

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Год назад +4

      It is an older ship and anyone who claim otherwise is wrong. Though it could be argued that it maybe has same treatment as Daedalus class, what after long absence. Was pulled from mothball and refitted in series of modern gunboats used as far as in 25'th century. If Pioneer was made in significant numbers, they could also be restored in service, after Klingon War. Even in Starfleet Museum it make more sense as representative of Bonaventure Era.

    • @barrybend7189
      @barrybend7189 5 месяцев назад

      Or due to the constitution class being resource intensive they recycled parts to make production smoother.

    • @katsujinken10
      @katsujinken10 Месяц назад

      ​@@TheRezro Absolutely. The primary feature of Starfleet vessels is the saucer & I feel a deflector/sensor pod slung under the saucer that grew into a secondary hull in later iterations makes way more sense for a design lineage than the NX just getting a fully formed secondary hull jury-rigged on one day.

  • @jamesabernethy7896
    @jamesabernethy7896 Год назад +8

    Although unique designs a great too. I love ships that fit so well with other designs, looking like they use large amounts of the same components as other ships. It feels practical and that makes it feel so real. These TOS designs are so classy, The Miranda class almost looks better as TOS than TMP.

    • @TheZamaron
      @TheZamaron Год назад

      I thin both are great, I like to think the Miranda was originally launched late into TOS around 2270 as a general workhorse ship, eventually like the Connie it got refit to the movie era style, but the Connie was an older ship, and maybe just something about how it was constructed made it harder to upgrade and mainain, the only reason they served so long was I guess out of pride, but eventually they just went on too long, meanwhile the Miranda was much newer and desighned for better modularity, thus upgraded easier. Starships arn't like see ships, on Earth, sea ships liek the Nimitz AIrcraft Carrier need special docks and often need to have large chunks removed for huge upgrades. But starships can be different, with stuff liek teleporters and Replicators plus zero gravity of space means they can likely be much easier to refit, plus just technology advancing anyway means Humanity in the future just has much better methods of construction.

  • @Arrowthorne
    @Arrowthorne Год назад +10

    One of the best TOS era ships out there, loved it so much that I bought the "Bigger Brother" of that class. The Ranger-Class Battlecruiser, same design of a circle saucer with small secondary hull and 2 nacelles but connected via a beam.
    Wonder if that could be a next Breakdown video?

  • @LtCdrRoyFokker
    @LtCdrRoyFokker Год назад +2

    I'm also a big fan of the Pioneer along with the other TOS designs in STO. I think they did a great job of maintaining the original series lines/asthetics without resorting to just nacelle/pylon repositions like you see too commonly in SFB and, to a lesser extent, FASA trek.

  • @kevinramsey417
    @kevinramsey417 Год назад +16

    Best starter ship in the whole game. I would buy a T6 Pioneer at the drop of a hat.

    • @DeaconBlues117
      @DeaconBlues117 Год назад +1

      Thomas Marrone has stated that ultimately the game's producers want to make a T6 version of every ship, so I keep hoping...

    • @peterhans3791
      @peterhans3791 Год назад

      It really grinds my gears that the disco starter ship got a T6 first

    • @wxwxsrg
      @wxwxsrg Год назад

      ​​@@peterhans3791they are trying to sell their other property too us. Why would you be mad about that? I'd be more mad that it has bad writing, and crap science! Their ship designs are OK... if you disregard the fact that they are supposed to be TOS era... nevermind.. keep going. I agree. Appreciate their capitalist tendency though. Never doubt a self described socialist to be a true Ferengi.

    • @littlekong7685
      @littlekong7685 Год назад

      That is what happens when paramount holds the purse strings. They wanted Discovery to be the new go to show, so that is what licences got approved first.

    • @DeaconBlues117
      @DeaconBlues117 Год назад

      @@littlekong7685 The Crossfield was introduced at T6. It never had a lower-tier version. This is because it's a "hero ship", the main craft of a franchise series. The only ship Paramount limited was the T6 Connie - can't get that in the Z-store except in the Legendary bundle, at their insistence.

  • @CronoTime
    @CronoTime Год назад +12

    Looks like it was based off the NX Refit which is awesome

  • @Zeithri
    @Zeithri Год назад +1

    Goes without saying, I love it.
    It has the feeling of a ship where things happen like.. Gotta ferry these things quickly, hurr hurry. Whops sorry didn't mean to bump into you Engineer. Oh hey Doc, going to the mess?
    STuff like that.

  • @RamielNagisa
    @RamielNagisa 4 месяца назад

    I like this design, and it was half the reason I not only started playing STO (the other half being it’s Star Trek) but picked the TOS era start

  • @worldcomicsreview354
    @worldcomicsreview354 Год назад +1

    When I was a kd I wanted to make a sci-fi film with my uncle's camcorder. My cousin wanted to put it in movie-era Star Trek, jst so he could captain an Excelsior Class. I vaguely remember naming that USS Pioneer.

    • @347Jimmy
      @347Jimmy 7 месяцев назад

      Pioneer and Voyager both have a great historical reference as NASA craft names, not sure if that was your inspiration
      It's a good name 👍

  • @AJUniverse
    @AJUniverse Год назад +1

    I like the Pioneer. It strikes me as being to the Connie what the Intrepid was to the Galaxy-Class.

  • @ericmadsen7470
    @ericmadsen7470 Год назад +2

    TOS era ships are the best looking ships in the fleet. Beautiful and elegant for the 23 century.

  • @SuperLuigiSixty4
    @SuperLuigiSixty4 Год назад +1

    I feel like we may be building towards the Constitution Class video, and I am here for it.

  • @jasonmerril
    @jasonmerril Год назад +3

    I haven't played STO in a long time but I've always wished they would have some sort of event or something where you could design your own starship from scratch for each faction even if it was a lesser ship

    • @luclin92
      @luclin92 4 месяца назад

      Only issue there is that it would be a pretty big thing to do, unless the whole game was built up around a creation system like it.

  • @ODST_Parker
    @ODST_Parker Год назад

    All of the STO designs for the TOS era were fantastic additions to the fleet. The Pioneer, Perseus, Ranger, and Gemini, not to mention the Atlas dreadnaught, are absolutely gorgeous ships. They're simple enough that they fit the era very well, yet different enough to add a level of variety that the TOS fleet sadly never had in its day. By the time the Miranda and Excelsior came around, they had already moved past this design aesthetic. The Miranda prototype that they added as a legendary ship in STO is also beautiful, a perfect precursor to such an iconic ship.

    • @SpartacusRyuuou
      @SpartacusRyuuou Год назад +1

      Ah, the atlas. I love that ship. It feels like the TOS answer to 'you and what army?'. Just so massive (for its time) and imposing, that its opponents wished they were facing a constitution class.

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Год назад

      @@SpartacusRyuuou Technicality it is just a different incarnation of the Proxima and Hoover hulls.
      I don't know if more annoying are Trek or Star Wars Genwunners?

  • @jeffgaboury3157
    @jeffgaboury3157 Год назад +1

    I love the fleshing out of the TOS era Federation ships.

  • @goldgodryukendo913x
    @goldgodryukendo913x Год назад +1

    I have always loved this and I am glad it became Canon. I just hope we get a T6 Cruiser of it on Sto.

  • @wesleykim6523
    @wesleykim6523 Год назад +1

    I would love to see a Strange New Worlds styled version of the Pioneer Class!

  • @mr.peoples901
    @mr.peoples901 Год назад +2

    I have enjoyed all of these, thank you so much.

  • @jankarieben1071
    @jankarieben1071 Год назад +4

    I loved this design, the biggest problem with STO is that the TOS story is just a glorified tutorial, I’d love to get a chance to explore everything/anything from the original series, you can’t tell me there’s not enough to base plenty of missions on! 🍻❤️🛸

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Год назад

      Isn't there a Temporal Wars arc?

  • @confuseatronica
    @confuseatronica 8 месяцев назад

    it's all TOS detail except its got Refit torpedo launchers in the front! But it's got Pilot-era spikes hehe. I like it, it's like they were using it to test out random stuff for upgrades on other ships.
    I like this Ortiz guy's designs.

  • @Warsage29
    @Warsage29 Год назад +2

    I love the, pioneer class as it fit so well in canon as a way to bolster the fleet

  • @dantheplasticman9742
    @dantheplasticman9742 Год назад +3

    Any chance of a breakdown of the Atlas class? Definitely like seeing that behemoth.

  • @LtCdrRoyFokker
    @LtCdrRoyFokker Год назад +2

    Out of curiosity, where did you get the info on things like warp speeds from? Is that fan created? No issues if it is but I never saw much technical data from STO on the ship that wasn't described using in-game terms.

  • @TheOneTrueDragonKing
    @TheOneTrueDragonKing Год назад +1

    Fun fact: You can actually use your older T1 Constitution-class if you have purchased it or even the T6 Legendary Miracle Worker Constitution-class right off the bat, while still in the TOS missions if you go to the shipyard at 23rd Century Earth Space Dock. So technically the Pioneer doesn't even last long enough to get through the 23rd Century missions.

    • @peterhans3791
      @peterhans3791 Год назад

      If we really want to get technical, the pioneer is still in your fleet even after the TOS arc ends. It s just that a T1 is going to have a very bad time in more advanced content.

    • @TheOneTrueDragonKing
      @TheOneTrueDragonKing Год назад

      @@peterhans3791 True.

  • @somestormchaseridjitwithwi2024
    @somestormchaseridjitwithwi2024 11 месяцев назад

    Despite my comment on the Pathfinder, I do see why youre focusing on this Era, Ric. Needs filling in. Cant wait to other classes in this era either.
    Ranger, Bonaventure, Perseus, Farragut, Gemini, Radiant, Nelson, Larson, Northampton, Chandley, Destroyat, Loknar and many more. 😊😊 These videos are great, Ric. Truly. Keep em coming, man!!!

  • @MinerBat
    @MinerBat Год назад +1

    i love TOS style ships, there is just something about them that the ships from other periods do not have (i certainly like other periods too, but those other ship styles just lack a certain "magic" that the TOS style has). i generally liked TOS the least storywise out of all the star trek series i have watched so far, but in terms of ship style TOS era is my favorite

    • @peterhans3791
      @peterhans3791 Год назад

      Indeed, truly peak starfleet design. Story wise, it's just season 1&2 tng storytelling.

  • @drthompson65
    @drthompson65 Год назад

    I really like this ship, thanks for the video Rick!

  • @johnmiller7682
    @johnmiller7682 Год назад

    The reason for the older nacelles is probably because they are the actual nacelles from the Constitutions, when theirs were upgraded. It would be faster to just install new engines on the Constitutions, rather than upgrade the ones they had. This would mean that Starfleet had extra nacelles sitting around.

  • @TheZamaron
    @TheZamaron Год назад +1

    I love the STO TOS ships, they were desighned pretty well keeping the TOS style but rearranging parts to make them each stand out enough. I really hate Discovery, one of the biggest issues with it for me is that I do like the ship desighns for the Klingons (should have been used for a different race) and Starfleet, the problem I have with them is that the STD era ship desighns while great, look way to advanced asthetically for the time period, especially being set 10 years before TOS, now that the Pioneer is canon how we saw it in STO, this makes more of a continuity headache as the registries make it clear that the Pioneer was made alongside the STD classes, confusing even more thanks tot he Crossfield registeries being 1031-2, yet they seem specifically made for the SPore Drive, which was only recently beign developed. So here's my explanation, there were being made 2 main starship desighns, the STD style and TOS style, STD being easier to upgrade, but the TOS style being more durable and reliable, I like to the the Connie was built with the TOS style, but eventually the STD style became more common so the COnnie was refit to that desighn and tech, with TOS ships being put more on the frontier space, this is why they were absent from the Klingon War, but the STD ships took heavy losses in the war, and over the next 10 years were mothballed for the TOS desighns, and maybe something happened like a computer virus that renedered many ships crippled, and so the 3 powers had to strip down their tech to a bit less advanced, the TOS era ships. Not as advanced, but not as vulnerable as the STD era ships, with th COnnies being refit back to this original desighn. Honestly for now this is my headcanon to make sense of this mess Discovery made, one of my expectations for SNW is for it to eventually have things logically shoft to how it appears in TOS, maybe this conflict with the Gorn causes some cultural shift for people to have the TOS hairstyles and uniforms, I don't know, I just expect them to eventually have this happen.

  • @gislasson
    @gislasson Год назад

    another awesome video sir thanks !

  • @DanBen07
    @DanBen07 Год назад +1

    like the design.
    First time I saw this ship was in Picard.

  • @jonathonearl482
    @jonathonearl482 Год назад +1

    The design of this Pioneer Class vessel would have look so much better without that secondary hull. The deflector dish should have been applied to the saucer.

  • @chriselliottart
    @chriselliottart Год назад

    This is definitely my favorite TOS design. But I always find it a bit funny how in the lore, these objectively more geometrically complex designs are regarded as "easier to build" or requiring less resources or something. I guess it goes to show how actually simple and iconic most of the "main" ship designs are. You just can't really get more simple than the Connie.

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Год назад

      Did you forget about secondary hull?

  • @violetlight1548
    @violetlight1548 Год назад

    The Pioneer's support roll makes it sound like the California-class of the 23rd century. I'd like to see this ship make an appearance in SNW. We definitely need more ship variety from that era -- not just the Constitution, Miranda, and later Excelsior classes.

    • @SpartacusRyuuou
      @SpartacusRyuuou Год назад

      I want the atlas. We need a Canon TOS Era dreadnought, since the constitution was a heavy cruiser.

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Год назад

      @@SpartacusRyuuou Trek classification work differently then video game logic, as it was based on actual pre-75's reclassification system of US Navy. Conie was always quite small. Excelsior was the medium size ship of Federation. Even if Galaxy is still unusually large, there were massive ships in Starfleet service before that. Proxima, Arc Royal, Ulysses, not to mention Yamato class. Discovery ships have only same size as Excelsior (Sombra class has also similar back of the saucer, implying connection).
      Detail a lot of people miss is that Engle and Nimitz have same hull tyle as Cheyenne.

  • @Obiwan7100
    @Obiwan7100 Год назад +2

    the Pioneer class is cute, it looks like a baby Constitution-class

    • @347Jimmy
      @347Jimmy 7 месяцев назад

      Once they grow to full size, they go through a refit and reach their final adult form
      Nature is beautiful ❤

  • @MrKevin486
    @MrKevin486 Год назад

    There is something about the TOS Era ships that is just.... 👌👌👌

  • @confuseatronica
    @confuseatronica 8 месяцев назад

    I like the idea that Starfleet just DIDN'T have much ship variety in the TOS years. As if some influential Starfleet dude just pushed for a fleet of all-pupose ships and that happened to be when TOS happened. I'd rather have canon explain why TOS ships looked the way they did than have them just overwrite canon (like SNW is somewhat doing).
    I know we're never going to have the TOS era be untouched and inviolate forever, but I would like them to tread lightly around that time period. SNW is a good show but I wish they weren't so willing to change the look and the tech level of the TOS years.

  • @DavidCartoon
    @DavidCartoon Год назад

    Hmm, what a neat little ship.

  • @TheGreyTurtleEntertainment
    @TheGreyTurtleEntertainment 9 месяцев назад

    I know the ship destroyed in a temporal war incident is meant to be the player ship for the tos temporal agent - hell i played the tos temporal agent playthrough.
    And yet when Ric mentions it here, there is no doubt in my mind that the ship being refferenced "canonically" is the Armager.

    • @347Jimmy
      @347Jimmy 7 месяцев назад

      At 1:42 we can see the name on the ship
      NCC-1504, USS Armiger
      So I'd say you're right

  • @ArchOfWinter
    @ArchOfWinter Год назад +1

    I hope we get to see a Pioneer in SNW, not one made with the existing SNW style, but straight up the TOS style. The Enterprise bridge crew would discuss it as filler until plot comes up. Pike tells the crew this new hull material may be refitted into the whole fleet, Ortegas would comment on how terribly bulky it looks, Spock would logically say the new hull are sturdier and the pylons are more durable.

    • @DASmovingTARGET
      @DASmovingTARGET Год назад +1

      That's not a bad idea. I feel like Una would be more likely to talk up refitting the fleet though, whereas Pike just wants to know if the bulkier hull plating means less space for his kitchen.

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Год назад

      And I hope to see actual Conie instead Sombra class Enterprise. Maybe Kirk steal it form Mothball?
      Or CBS make again things more convoluted then they should.

  • @warshrike666
    @warshrike666 11 месяцев назад

    Is 1 of my fav's as well Rick a classic good choice 😄👍

  • @DavidPopowich
    @DavidPopowich 11 месяцев назад

    Beautiful! Would love to see this in action on SNW

    • @somestormchaseridjitwithwi2024
      @somestormchaseridjitwithwi2024 10 месяцев назад +1

      Wonder what itd look like in the style of SNW. Staying true to that era's aesthetic but just slightly updated. 🤔

  • @deusexaethera
    @deusexaethera 3 месяца назад +1

    They shouldve called it the Confederation Class, after the US Articles of Confederation -- same concept as the Constitution Class, but less effective.

  • @ponyperson7513
    @ponyperson7513 Год назад

    Smaller than a Miranda class you say, cute little ship indeed, still like the Miranda more

  • @LostInTheFarmersMarket
    @LostInTheFarmersMarket Год назад

    I liked this design the moment I first saw it. STO needs to make a higher tier version, maybe a 6 but a 5 at the least.

  • @grumpyoldnord
    @grumpyoldnord Год назад

    They've said whatever the anniversary ship coming up is really good, I'm wondering if it'll be a TMP-era T6 of the Pioneer.

  • @hudsonball4702
    @hudsonball4702 Год назад +1

    Makes me wonder if there was a 4 nacelle TOS ship in line with the Stargazer.

  • @XerrolAvengerII
    @XerrolAvengerII Год назад

    the tos style Miranda is my favorite ship of the tos aesthetic

  • @warwolf88
    @warwolf88 Год назад

    i personally love the pioneer class its such a cool looking ship😊

  • @DucNguyen-bd5ir
    @DucNguyen-bd5ir Год назад

    Woo hoo with sensor arrays like that I am sure it did a lot of sitting on the DMZ and looking at the Klingons and Romulans. I am sure Section 13 had these babies in use too.

  • @kineuhansen8629
    @kineuhansen8629 Год назад

    man i hope stw will intruduce the federation class on on screen since we saw it as a model in picard

  • @NeoGee
    @NeoGee Год назад

    I hope the canonize the Perseus class, also from STO, at some point, I love it's design too

  • @MrMortull
    @MrMortull Год назад

    So basically this thing is a later "remix" of the NX refit? Certainly looks and sounds like someone basically thought Starfleet gave up on the NX far too early.
    I would agree, incidentally.

  • @Tuning3434
    @Tuning3434 Год назад

    Very much has the Jefferies magic around it. I like it!

  • @exAirMover
    @exAirMover Год назад

    If the Warp Core is in the Eng Hull, how dose this work with the supply to the Warp Nacelles?

  • @Jayjay-qe6um
    @Jayjay-qe6um Год назад

    I think I saw a Pioneer at the Fleet Museum of Season 3 of Picard.

  • @davidponseigo8811
    @davidponseigo8811 Год назад

    100th comment here, at first I didn't care for this class but it has definitely grown on me and now I really like it.

  • @dantheplasticman9742
    @dantheplasticman9742 Год назад

    This reminds me heavily of the Bonaventure as seen from Eaglemoss.

  • @jeffeffa78
    @jeffeffa78 Год назад

    Thx, Rick.

  • @sidewire8777
    @sidewire8777 Год назад

    The thing I never understood was how the Pioneer was basically the Miranda class as the tutorial ship which make me wonder why they didn’t just use the TOS Miranda

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Год назад

      Miranda parts were available as starter ship.

  • @duanetapp1280
    @duanetapp1280 Год назад +1

    Do like the design, but would have been better if the shuttle bay remained in the secondary hull and were the shuttle bay is holds the warp core

    • @thatHARVguy
      @thatHARVguy Год назад

      Would make more sense design-wise.

  • @gaxiola1701
    @gaxiola1701 Год назад +1

    The lore doesn't sit well with me. From the registry numbers and overall design the Pioneer Class feels like an immediate predecessor to the Constitution Class. It looks it could go between the USS Bonaventure design and the Constitution. The only thing that gives away it as coming after are the torpedo launchers between the saucer and engineering hulls. Having it as a significant intermediate design from the early 23rd century makes more sense for it to be highlighted in the fleet museum. In any case, I'm always glad to get more ships in canon!

    • @backupplan6058
      @backupplan6058 Год назад

      Agreed, that was the thing that kept confusing me, that the registry as we have been told puts it before the Constitution Class where the discrepancy regarding its older warp drive would make sense.

  • @josephmassaro
    @josephmassaro Год назад +2

    i don't know. I guess it's ok, but I just can't really like this design. Maybe it's the stubby secondary hull. My personal favorite is the Bonaventure Class (sometimes called the North Carolina Class) where the secondary hull was fitted down the center of the saucer section. I know some people don't like that design.

  • @BNuts
    @BNuts Год назад

    The Connie's little sister. I like it.

  • @crazylegssw
    @crazylegssw Год назад +1

    How does it have an earlier registration number than the Enterprise even though it came out later?

    • @samk522
      @samk522 Год назад

      That's my question. I kind of assumed that it was actually a byproduct of the Constitution development project that was launched before the Connie itself in part to stress test new technologies.

  • @lvl10cooking
    @lvl10cooking 10 месяцев назад

    I really wanna see a TMP refit version

  • @robertahue1969
    @robertahue1969 4 месяца назад

    U said this ship was built after the standard constitution classes. But why does the registry # Armiger 1504 and Enterprise 1701. I thought the #’s were a succession of construction.

  • @Cyber_Horse_Studios87
    @Cyber_Horse_Studios87 Год назад

    Huh! It gives me a lot of NX-01 refit vibes!

  • @datfloof2732
    @datfloof2732 Год назад

    Am i the only one or does it kinda look like a tos style nx class refit, anyway love the vid mate, very nice vessel

  • @ultramaximusreviews
    @ultramaximusreviews Год назад

    I like the look of this ship

  • @kommandantgalileo
    @kommandantgalileo Год назад

    I wish there was a refit version.

  • @wxwxsrg
    @wxwxsrg Год назад

    The secondary hull looks useless other than the deflector dish. Seems like a test vessel. I.e. test vertical warp core v.s. horizontal. Switch between them if the test fails, kind of thing. I like it in Canon cuz it fits, but needs a good reason. It's a design looking for a need, not a need looking for a design type of thing.. if that makes sense...

  • @markfergerson2145
    @markfergerson2145 Год назад

    Any more gameplay any time soon?

  • @myysterio2
    @myysterio2 Год назад

    In a world of what amounts to basically unlimited resources, ships either would be slow, medium, fast, or fill some extremely specialized roll. Why would you make a ship that was slower, smaller, and less well armed?

  • @tenchraven
    @tenchraven Год назад

    So if the Constitution class gets new nacelles about the time the Pioneers are being built, and the Pioneers use those older style nacelles, could they just be those older nacelles being reused? And surviving Pioneers get the hand-me-down when the Constitutions and Mirandas get upgraded. Doesn't have to be just as good, just good enough.

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Год назад

      This is ridiculous, but not the most ridiculous annoying thing CBS did.

  • @CristySFM1234
    @CristySFM1234 Год назад

    I hope they make a t6 version of the class in STO

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 Год назад

    So a much smaller version of the previous hero ship?

  • @rodan9773
    @rodan9773 Год назад

    I love The Kelvin Ship design better it's very unique i don't think I've seen many designs like it.
    Respect and keep up the epic work.

  • @sird2333
    @sird2333 Год назад

    Looks like a smooshed Constitution Clasd

  • @jodybranson925
    @jodybranson925 Год назад

    I don't mind this ship at all.
    It's nice.

  • @asvarien
    @asvarien Год назад

    In a post scarcity society, with as close to unlimited resources as you can get, does it make any sense to design ships with older technology or weaker systems than your absolute best? The Federations only real limited resource was it's officers, yet getting assigned to a Miranda class or Oberth class is almost a death sentence.

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Год назад

      While people of Earth live in post scarcity, Federation actually did do old dirty capitalist trade of resources. In one of episodes Picard participate in trade negotiations and after clearing this misunderstanding, Ferengi open trade relations with Earth. With Quarks becoming major corporation.
      But the reason was political. Thing is that rapid development of Federation confused Klingons. Who legitimately believed that Federation conquered Vulcans. With who previously they develop harsh respect. And then new weird ships start coming one after another, making them unsure with who they deal. For that reason Starfleet start using standardized visual style (TMP era). But in reality those ships were extremely modular and beside shell, those were not the same ships (for reminder, from Phase 2 upward. Starfleet ships were a drone hives).
      But this solution was introduced only from USS Jefferies designed around 2270's, while older conventionally designed TOS style ships, were not upgradable and only museum units stay in service. With exception of already heavily refitted Daedalus class. But over time (late 24'th century) even this design become reaching its limits. Mostly due to fact that new design architecture take way more space.
      After Klingons formed alliance with Federation. After famous incident involving Ambasador. It included introduction to Federation registry system and by extend Starfleet, after Lost Era of development start again developing new ships. What lead to rapid change in scale during TNG (the 90's shows), making full use from potential of modular design and scale.
      From 25'th century, Federation gain ability to basically print ships in all shapes and sizes, as they please. That include option of creating chimera ships. In category of smaller hulls. What was fallow up to project where they reanimated lot of dead (as result of Dominion War) or unfinished ships, by mashing them together. With clever system of connectors. And I'm not talking just about STO. USS Yeager is best known example.

  • @IsaiahAmos017
    @IsaiahAmos017 Год назад

    It looks like the design lineage of the NX01 didn't die

  • @thejarredhog3936
    @thejarredhog3936 Год назад

    You ever gonna cover Klingon and Romulan ships?

  • @coolhand889
    @coolhand889 Год назад

    there two type of the pioneer class the utility version and the frigate version i played the tos faction i wish there was more eps in the 23rd centruy then the ones we get in the sto

  • @WarmongerSmurfOnXbox
    @WarmongerSmurfOnXbox Год назад

    So nasa is using the old space shuttle tanks and solid boosters for the SLS. I wonder if Star Fleet made the pioneer class, by using the old nacelles from refit constitutions.

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Год назад

      SLS was always designed that way. US government just cut budget to NASA, freezing project for two decades.

  • @flatline8580
    @flatline8580 Год назад

    Now they need to bring in the Larson class! Or really just go back and grab all the old FASA designs.

    • @Corbomite_Meatballs
      @Corbomite_Meatballs Год назад +1

      Agreed! That's the thing that sorta melts my brain about the Trek IP holders - yes there are some AAA tier ship designs, but a lot of it is ok or absolute hot space garbage. They own *all* the stuff from FASA and STO...why not USE IT, and USE it WELL?

  • @saint-g7449
    @saint-g7449 Год назад

    Needs a T6 version

  • @patrickradcliffe3837
    @patrickradcliffe3837 Год назад

    1:37 Yeah, but no. It looks ungainly with the pod hanging underneath housing the deflector and sensor array. Just a untidy looking design.

  • @hanshawks5088
    @hanshawks5088 Год назад

    Does it go to the frontier??

  • @maybetoby
    @maybetoby Год назад

    What are the starting ships for the other eras? I ask cuz I've never played.

    • @Skyfire_The_Goth
      @Skyfire_The_Goth Год назад

      Of the four STO factions, only the Federation has two time periods you can start in. Here are the starting ships, 23rd cent. Federation = Pioneer class, 25th cent. Federation = Miranda class, Klingon = B'Rell bird of prey, Romulan = T'Liss bird of prey, Dominion = Jem'Hadar attack ship.

    • @maybetoby
      @maybetoby Год назад

      @@Skyfire_The_Goth thanks

    • @TheOneTrueDragonKing
      @TheOneTrueDragonKing Год назад +1

      @@Skyfire_The_Goth They have three. Discovery era = Walker-class

    • @peterhans3791
      @peterhans3791 Год назад

      And of these all listed, only the pioneer is unavailable in T6

  • @jhallam2011
    @jhallam2011 Год назад

    I like any TOS era ship

  • @baystated
    @baystated Год назад

    Crewed by Federation citizens from a world not yet depicted but one of those where it's a copy of Earth with one distinctive difference: The people are Hobbits.