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Looks like (by coincidence) I made the right decision to change jobs in 2022. For different reasons though: I wanted to leave Germany to live abroad (I am German). But this gave me a much higher salary than the ones you show here. I am working as a Principal Software Engineer / Tech Lead. The avg. salaries you present look like nothing has changed regarding pay since 2022 - except living in Germany became much more expensive. 🙈
@@GermanInsider I moved to China. I don’t think situation is good here either. Lots of young people are unemployed, international companies leave China and local companies have also had huge layoffs beginning of the year. I think I just got lucky with timing. When I interviewed with an international company beginning of 2022, I got an offer for a Senior position (Ruby) from within Germany that had a compensation package of overall 145.000€. I did not take this cause we wanted to move to China at that time. But it is a good indicator of how salaries changed.
Huh, crazy. Never heard about such salaries in Germany. Except maybe in Google. And how you feel about China? Is it worth now generally move to Asia to work in IT for money?
@@GermanInsider No, I don’t think so. Not many positions are open. Plus many foreigners are currently exchanged for local talent. In general, there is lots of pressure on the job market. Huge amount of applicants for too few jobs.
Yes, people are not stupid. All information is opened. Young people see the salaries, perks, home-office. So, of course more and more people go to IT. I did the same, so I don't blame them... In Germany 43% of international students study IT. And this number grows every year. So, yes, market is oversaturated. I think in couple of years professional demographic will shift. But anyway, new IT positions get opened. People are moving from place to place. So it still worth trying.
I have opportunity to have my first company in Germany with a 4 year contract with Deutsche Bahn, so I have started my preparation to switch from EU Blue Card to Freiberufler Aufenhalttitel. I am doing B2 language course my exam is in 20 days
You are signing 4 years contract of work or something another? I am also looking for their position. I would like to hear something about hiring there.
Hello, I'm in search of DevOps job near hamburg. Is it okay to use Europass CV format? or is there any preferred way? Really appreciate your tips regarding that
Hi, never heard that Europass CV gives any advantage (frankly speaking never heard of it at all). If you follow all main rules of CV creation, make it short and clear, then it doesn't matter how you create it.
I will give a ground reality of the IT market in Germany. The IT market is dead. I cannot put it in better terms. 95% of TU Dortmund students are jobless, the faith is similar for almost 70% of RWTH students. Java and Spring might land you onto something good, but man, be ready for a layoff if you are a foreigner with B1 level German. If you are mid 30s senior developer, they expect you to learn German, which is almost next to impossible and a headache none of the developers want. If you are in your 20s, learn the language , focus on speaking rather than writing. Job security is a joke. A big fat joke. Harsh, but I guess most of you would agree. Thank you.
Generally, I agree with you. But, do you know the place where situation is better? When I was looking for my first job in software development 10 years ago, the situation seemed to be the same.
@@GermanInsider I would agree with you. Situation is bad everywhere, but seems it the worst in Germany. In 2019, I was in University 3rd sem and applied for 25 jobs, got called by 16 of them for full time. Fast forward to today, my profile is 100X better , I have applied over 600 jobs, with 2 responses. This cannot be normal.
I think Germany becomes oversaturated with developers. People come here to study and then looking for IT job after university. I see those students that we hire, they are true beasts in programming)
@@GermanInsider which I guess is are good news, due that, it was a big lack of IT workers, well still lack IT workers in Europe. Especially in Cybersecurity area.
Not aware about the situation with mobile dev, but my gut feeling that it is the same. At least most of the product companies have native mobile versions of the apps. Luckily Germany is slowly moving to digitalisation, so the demand on mobile devs is there.
I have 3 years of experience as a DevOps engineer in India. I'm planning to move to Germany in January 2025 using the opportunity card. Could you please let me know if this approach is good, or should I try for another country since the market is not good? Please let me know your opinion on this.
May differ. In our case this is assignment in Codility. If you get enough score, you're invited to initial interview and after that there's main technical interview. On technical interview you need to design some technical solution, desirably write it down with Java pseudo-code (code should not compile). You should be able to present and back your approach. This is for senior position.
No, usually it is some case from real life. API design, data persistence model, data transformation. Pseudocode here means java code, but it is not expected to compile. Meaning that nobody expects from you write ready java code during the interview.
Also what about the data field? From my experience the demand for Data Scientists is rapidly decreasing but the demand for Data Engineers is still high, esp. because of the AI Boom. Pretty sure this will decline sooner or later, though. Also salaries for those positions should be 5-15k higher. But all of that is anecdotal and highly biased as I work in southern Germany. Where salaries are higher anyways.
Yes, I can confirm. Demand for data engineers is still high ... and yes, I expect it to drop. I know several data-engineers who work more than 10 years in Germany and they generally confirm this opinion.
I'm not an expert, but you cannot have direct contract with German company as freelancer for more than ... (I don't remember) around 6 months. After 6 months you have to move to Germany and work officially in the company. Or contract will be considered illegal. If you work in "body-shop" company in your home country. And this "body-shop" has contract with German company, then you can work like this. But still, you'll be officially employed in your home-country and have the salary and tax residence of your home-country. Not a legal advice. I'm not a lawyer.
A front end decline from 24.7% to 15.3% is not a 10% market needs decline... it's roughly a 40% decline. When you're a front end developer and you hear a 10% decline, you think "meh, not so bad. this shouldn't impact my area too much".... but when you hear a 40% decline... that's when you might start worrying about the future.
Salaries in my home country are way higher than in Germany. But there is no work life balance here and macromanagement kills our motivation to work. These are the only reasons as to why Indians are migrating to work in Germany.
@@GermanInsider micromanagement I meant. It was a typo. That means manager asks progress report almost every now and then. We spend 60% of our time in meetings.
Frankly speaking I don't imagine how freshers can perform cyber security tasks without prior experience in IT. Maybe there's already some "CS crush-course". I have no idea. Trust me, I'm not a person who flexes his experience. I truly don't know, how freshers can do it. Those security tasks that I did, all of them required decent experience in networking/protocols/applications.
@@GermanInsider A lot of people also say Devops isn't for freshers. You are also working in Devops role, what do you think? I was thinking of going the route of Devops/Devsecops/Cloud/Cloud Security.........
Yes, I've seen those courses. I'm not quite sure that they are somehow officially recognised by companies. They are more like "nice to have". Just show that you know something about cybersecuity.
@@GermanInsider A lot of people also say Devops isn't for freshers, you are also working in Devops role, what do you think? I was thinking of going the route of Devops/Devsecops/Cloud/Cloud Security. Are there separate cloud engineer roles?
Hi sir you are maing amazing videos,love you from india .Can you please what is net salary or inhand salary and gross-salary for software developers in german as entry-level.I m planning to settle germany after graduation
@@GermanInsider Thnx bro ,i will get graduated at 2028 .Will i get good IT job in germany from india directly and can you suggest good websittes to get job
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Looks like (by coincidence) I made the right decision to change jobs in 2022. For different reasons though: I wanted to leave Germany to live abroad (I am German). But this gave me a much higher salary than the ones you show here. I am working as a Principal Software Engineer / Tech Lead.
The avg. salaries you present look like nothing has changed regarding pay since 2022 - except living in Germany became much more expensive. 🙈
Hi, and to where do you live now? What is the situation with salaries there?
@@GermanInsider I moved to China. I don’t think situation is good here either. Lots of young people are unemployed, international companies leave China and local companies have also had huge layoffs beginning of the year.
I think I just got lucky with timing. When I interviewed with an international company beginning of 2022, I got an offer for a Senior position (Ruby) from within Germany that had a compensation package of overall 145.000€. I did not take this cause we wanted to move to China at that time. But it is a good indicator of how salaries changed.
Huh, crazy. Never heard about such salaries in Germany. Except maybe in Google.
And how you feel about China? Is it worth now generally move to Asia to work in IT for money?
@@GermanInsider No, I don’t think so. Not many positions are open. Plus many foreigners are currently exchanged for local talent. In general, there is lots of pressure on the job market. Huge amount of applicants for too few jobs.
Yes, people are not stupid. All information is opened. Young people see the salaries, perks, home-office. So, of course more and more people go to IT. I did the same, so I don't blame them...
In Germany 43% of international students study IT. And this number grows every year. So, yes, market is oversaturated. I think in couple of years professional demographic will shift.
But anyway, new IT positions get opened. People are moving from place to place. So it still worth trying.
I have opportunity to have my first company in Germany with a 4 year contract with Deutsche Bahn, so I have started my preparation to switch from EU Blue Card to Freiberufler Aufenhalttitel. I am doing B2 language course my exam is in 20 days
Cool. Good luck with exams)
You are signing 4 years contract of work or something another? I am also looking for their position. I would like to hear something about hiring there.
Hello,
I'm in search of DevOps job near hamburg. Is it okay to use Europass CV format? or is there any preferred way? Really appreciate your tips regarding that
Hi, never heard that Europass CV gives any advantage (frankly speaking never heard of it at all). If you follow all main rules of CV creation, make it short and clear, then it doesn't matter how you create it.
I'm looking for a new position, and I cannot find something competitive on the market. It's really so like take. Unfortunately...
Yep, this sucks(
P.S. You didn't tell me that you're looking for job, btw.
@@GermanInsider I'm just watching around and ready for new challenges
👍👍
I will give a ground reality of the IT market in Germany.
The IT market is dead. I cannot put it in better terms.
95% of TU Dortmund students are jobless, the faith is similar for almost 70% of RWTH students.
Java and Spring might land you onto something good, but man, be ready for a layoff if you are a foreigner with B1 level German.
If you are mid 30s senior developer, they expect you to learn German, which is almost next to impossible and a headache none of the developers want. If you are in your 20s, learn the language , focus on speaking rather than writing.
Job security is a joke. A big fat joke.
Harsh, but I guess most of you would agree.
Thank you.
Generally, I agree with you. But, do you know the place where situation is better?
When I was looking for my first job in software development 10 years ago, the situation seemed to be the same.
Dude. Your comment is base in « general » IT sector its wide. Then you can find jobs just with english same as many other countries in Europe ✌️
@@GermanInsider I would agree with you. Situation is bad everywhere, but seems it the worst in Germany.
In 2019, I was in University 3rd sem and applied for 25 jobs, got called by 16 of them for full time.
Fast forward to today, my profile is 100X better , I have applied over 600 jobs, with 2 responses.
This cannot be normal.
I think Germany becomes oversaturated with developers. People come here to study and then looking for IT job after university. I see those students that we hire, they are true beasts in programming)
@@GermanInsider which I guess is are good news, due that, it was a big lack of IT workers, well still lack IT workers in Europe. Especially in Cybersecurity area.
Whats about mobile developers? Native Android and iOS
Not aware about the situation with mobile dev, but my gut feeling that it is the same. At least most of the product companies have native mobile versions of the apps. Luckily Germany is slowly moving to digitalisation, so the demand on mobile devs is there.
I have 3 years of experience as a DevOps engineer in India. I'm planning to move to Germany in January 2025 using the opportunity card. Could you please let me know if this approach is good, or should I try for another country since the market is not good? Please let me know your opinion on this.
Right now I wouldn’t do that. You’ll be competing with German CS graduates.
@GermanInsider Could you please suggest me any other countries
Speaking about Europe - Poland.
What is the interview process like? For Java engineers, is it more DSA and system designed inclined for freshers or take home assignments?
May differ. In our case this is assignment in Codility. If you get enough score, you're invited to initial interview and after that there's main technical interview.
On technical interview you need to design some technical solution, desirably write it down with Java pseudo-code (code should not compile). You should be able to present and back your approach.
This is for senior position.
@@GermanInsider pseudocode means Datastructure Algorithms? Kindly make video on freshers technical interview in Germany.
No, usually it is some case from real life. API design, data persistence model, data transformation.
Pseudocode here means java code, but it is not expected to compile. Meaning that nobody expects from you write ready java code during the interview.
@@GermanInsider now its more understandable. Meaning. One has to build projects to crack the interviews.
Also what about the data field? From my experience the demand for Data Scientists is rapidly decreasing but the demand for Data Engineers is still high, esp. because of the AI Boom. Pretty sure this will decline sooner or later, though.
Also salaries for those positions should be 5-15k higher.
But all of that is anecdotal and highly biased as I work in southern Germany. Where salaries are higher anyways.
Yes, I can confirm. Demand for data engineers is still high ... and yes, I expect it to drop. I know several data-engineers who work more than 10 years in Germany and they generally confirm this opinion.
when will the demand drop and which sector will see a rise?
Interesting insights. Are those numbers before taxes?
Hi, yes.
Taxes are around 40% plus 10-15% from your employer....
About the salaries, are those gross or net salary?
And thanks for the video!
Gross.
Thank you!
which backend programming language has more job opportunity
Hi, Java.
What about remote work, as in non-German from EU country? Do you have any info?
I'm not an expert, but you cannot have direct contract with German company as freelancer for more than ... (I don't remember) around 6 months. After 6 months you have to move to Germany and work officially in the company. Or contract will be considered illegal.
If you work in "body-shop" company in your home country. And this "body-shop" has contract with German company, then you can work like this. But still, you'll be officially employed in your home-country and have the salary and tax residence of your home-country.
Not a legal advice. I'm not a lawyer.
A front end decline from 24.7% to 15.3% is not a 10% market needs decline... it's roughly a 40% decline.
When you're a front end developer and you hear a 10% decline, you think "meh, not so bad. this shouldn't impact my area too much".... but when you hear a 40% decline... that's when you might start worrying about the future.
Good point, btw. I meant 10% decline from all roles. But it would be better to say as you did. 40% decline in FE is really a significant drop.
Salaries in my home country are way higher than in Germany. But there is no work life balance here and macromanagement kills our motivation to work. These are the only reasons as to why Indians are migrating to work in Germany.
Interesting. What do you mean by "macromanagement kills our motivation to work"? You are from India, right?
@@GermanInsider micromanagement I meant. It was a typo. That means manager asks progress report almost every now and then. We spend 60% of our time in meetings.
And why micromanagement happens? Managers don't trust people or it is part of working culture?
@@GermanInsider part of culture here.
are the salaries gross or net per year?
Gross
@@GermanInsider thank you
what about cyber security field in coming years?? Is it good for freshers?
Frankly speaking I don't imagine how freshers can perform cyber security tasks without prior experience in IT. Maybe there's already some "CS crush-course". I have no idea.
Trust me, I'm not a person who flexes his experience. I truly don't know, how freshers can do it. Those security tasks that I did, all of them required decent experience in networking/protocols/applications.
@@GermanInsider A lot of people also say Devops isn't for freshers. You are also working in Devops role, what do you think?
I was thinking of going the route of Devops/Devsecops/Cloud/Cloud Security.........
@@GermanInsider There are such courses. On Coursera you can even get a Google certificate in cybersecurity :).
Yes, I've seen those courses. I'm not quite sure that they are somehow officially recognised by companies. They are more like "nice to have". Just show that you know something about cybersecuity.
@@GermanInsider A lot of people also say Devops isn't for freshers, you are also working in Devops role, what do you think?
I was thinking of going the route of Devops/Devsecops/Cloud/Cloud Security. Are there separate cloud engineer roles?
Hi sir you are maing amazing videos,love you from india .Can you please what is net salary or inhand salary and gross-salary for software developers in german as entry-level.I m planning to settle germany after graduation
Hi, for entry position in IT it will be around 2K net monthly.
@@GermanInsider can i get 3000 euros monthly and after how many years i will get salary of 4000 euros per month
For me it took around 2 years.
@@GermanInsider Thnx bro ,i will get graduated at 2028 .Will i get good IT job in germany from india directly and can you suggest good websittes to get job
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