Hi guys, nice and useful video. I was wondering if you can make a video about life work balance in Switzerland. How many hours do people work and how demanding is working in Switzerland. Many thanks and keep up!
I was a Software Engineer in Zurich (i just quit my job to become an entrepreneur). I started with 89000 CHF/Year as a Junior. Last Year i was earning 110.000 CHF/Year after 6 years of Experience. I could easily get a Job between 120.000 CHF/Year - 130.000 CHF/ Year as a Senior Software Engineer.
Hey there thanks for sharing your insights! Really interesting ⭐️🙂 We are always very happy when people are sharing their experiences 🙌 We wish you best of luck with your project!
As a Senior Software Engineer in Zürich I can confirm, that these salary ranges are correct. If you are fresh from university, then I would highly recommend not to accept a job that is offering less than around 84.5k, with 40h week and 25 days of holiday per year. This is the typical minimum salary for someone with a Master Degree (and around 80k with Bachelor). I have seen Junior Devs accepting sometimes way much less and then looking for a new job after they found out how much others in the same company make. My advice to you: Even if you are tending to be less self-confident, be aware that the others that are applying to the same job only have the same skills than you. Even the Googlers dont know much more than you when you are fresh from Uni. My experience is that the Googlers most often know much less. Their only skills are to sell themself well, be confident, to memorize useless interview questions well and they have the persistence to get into such a job. So, dont underestimate yourself, be confident and also ask for a salary of at least around 85k. If you are accepting less, then it is your own fault, because HR will pay as low as they can get it.
Great comment, very useful especially for juniors. I am a senior software engineer with Masters degree, fluent in German and would like to get a job in Switzerland. The problem is, the job offers that I get are around 120-130k. How do people get salaries over 160k? Are there any companies except the big five?
@@filippoboiani1386 It really depends from company to company. In my current company you get the full salary paid out without any bonus or option. It is being divided by 13. 1/13th is paid out every month from Jan to Nov and 2/13th are paid out in December. This also called the 13th salary (13.Gehalt in german). In other companies the split between salary and bonus is around 85:15 to 90:10. At least this is what I experienced.
@@filippoboiani1386 Cost of living in Zurich is extremely high. If you are sharing an apartment then you pay at least around 1500 CHF per month for rent. If you want to live alone then you can calculate roughly around 1000 CHF per room. This is very rough. Then you can also expect at least around 400 CHF you have to pay for healthcare insurance. These numbers are very rough and you can also get cheaper options if you are lucky.
Great video guys! I love the detailed explanation you made! I can definitely see, that you put a lot of work into this video. I really hope to see your channel rise, you deserve it.
Great video! Just got a job offer yesterday in the aerospace industry and am most likely moving to Zurich in one month! Thanks for all the great videos, advice and content about living in Zurich! Keep it up! Mathias from Stockholm
Thank you so much for this video! I am currently studying Computer Science and I am planning on moving to Switzerland, Zurich next year. This video was very informative and useful.
This is a great video. Moreover, you have to put this into perspective with the cost of living in different cities. I live in Paris, where the cost of living is roughly 29% lower than in Zurich. But the salary is almost half, therefore getting a 25% decrease in quality of life. For someone living in Barcelona, the salary is 55% lower, but the cost of life is also 51% lower. The best ratio whn it comes to onsite jobs still belongs to Berlin: salary is 40% lower, but the cost of life is 60% lower than in Zurich. When it comes to full remote, I'd highly suggest working for a Swiss company, and being based in south-east Asia (Living in Bali is roughly 3 times less constly than living in Switzerland)
You can also work in Zürich but live 30 min away in Zug where you pay less taxes. Or you live close to the border in Germany and have lower costs of living (but higher taxes as you live in Germany). So, it's best to keep taxes in mind for every combination.
Thank you so much for the video and also the tax breakdown hehe. If we could please have another video about Data Science, Data Engineer or/and Data Analyst it would be awesome!!!
Hey! Nice video, congrats! Not one of the most popular positions perhaps, but could you pleaze also do a video dedicated to PhD students/workers in Switzerland? Working conditions, salaries, obligations towards the state, etc. Thanks for the informative content
I've been searching for a Java Backend job for a few months now in Switzerland and it's not easy at all. I have almost 2 years of experience with a bachelors degree in computer science and I'm an EU Citizen. I also speak fluent English but not German/Italian/French. Most jobs that I find (Indeed/LinkedIn/Swissdevjobs/Jobeo/Grabjobs/and many more..) require at least one of the "swiss" languages, and the english only jobs have always hundreds of applications and a LOT of competition. Market is a bit hard to break into right now but hopefully next year it will be "easier" 😅🙏
learn german Im a cs student in the UK. Right now I dont have time but once I graduate the first thing I need is 3 years of experience here in the uk + a good level of german I believe once I have my degree,3 years of professional experience + being able to speak 4 languages(including english and german) can give me the opportunity to get a job in the tech industry in zurich
After I finished university I applied in switzerland. Then when I got a job offer I moved to switzerland. I started with a salary of 110k and now I am earning 120k after 2 years. I think my salary for an enginner is good, but can always be better :) Luckywise I am not in germany anymore, my best offer I got was about 65k in germany, after tax you will be poor in germany :(
@@kylmorevossexactly, I come from Eastern Europe and my salary more than doubled after 2 years, in 4 years I had 4 times more. We always calculate netto there and after just 4 years I had 3500€ netto. Now I live in Germany and earn 5300€ netto, 108k before taxes.
Thank you for this informative video. I think the salary of UX/UI designers in Zurich is also an exciting topic. Hopefully, both of you can cover this topic.
As a senior in IT you can make 150k (if you work for a large company). 130k would be in a smaller company. But in my experience knowing German is almost always a must (at least B1-B2). So learn German otherwise it will be hard even in tech.
It's a very informative video. It would be nice if you could make a video about the work culture in Switzerland, specifically in Zurich. I live in the Netherlands, and the work-life balance and work culture are incredible. Is Zurich the same as Amsterdam in this matter?
I had a friend that moved to Switzerland after 14 years of Australia. After 3 years in Switzerland he concluded "in Australia we work to get to live our lives, in Switzerland, people live to get to work as much as possible."
Hi Claudia and Jan! Thank you for your analysis and the video! 😊 I am a Senior Software engineer in Stuttgart and made a research how much I could earn in Switzerland with my job. Unfortunately I was disappointed because the max was 150k and as a consultant, normal jobs were around 120k. How is it possible that it is so low and that there is such a small difference between a Junior and a senior? My current salary in Germany ist 108k. I come from East Europe and a Junior earns around 1200€, a Senior around 3500€ netto, while the average country salary is 1000€, so IT people have really a lot of money in comparison to other jobs. How come people in Switzerland accept to get barely more than somebody who didn't even finish 10 classes?
Yes, this surprises me as well. But you still have the benefit of taxes. With 150k in 12 months, you have net 6.806,17 Eur / Month in Germany, while in Switzerland with 120k in 12 Months you have net roughly 7.619,73 Eur per month. I'd say it's still worth it, but of course the benefit shrinks, considering the higher living costs. For jobs with lower income, there is also the rule that you should earn 2x as much as you get in Germany. The higher your salary, the less this rule works out it seems.
@@bakkecske91 Romania, all my ex university mates earn around 3000-3500€ after taxes as software engineers with 8-10 years of experience. Freelancers even 8000€ after taxes. These salaries are only in IT and medicine field. Engineers get a bit lower, 2000€.
Nu stiu de unde te informezi, dar esti cam pe langa. Poti sa iti spun ca eu castig 200k ca si consultant in Elvetia. Si tu ramai in mana cu abia jumatate din cei 108k. Aici taxele sunt mult mai mici, eu platesc sub 25%. Si vezi ca cine a terminat 10 clase poate sa faca mai multi bani ca tine, ia vezi cat te costa sa iti vina instalatorul pt o ora, acolo in in Frankfurt la tine, am o presimitire ca vei fi uimit ;).
@@GA-fs4cz cum de unde ma informez? Nu vezi ca si ei in video au zis ca un programator Senior castiga max 130.000chf brut. Atat am primit si eu maxim 125-130k in Zürich. Tocmai am renovat complet doua apartamente cumparate in Stuttgart, chiar nu a fost scumpa manopera, materialele au fost mai scumpe. Instalatorul cu factura costa mult pe ora ca plateste 60% taxe, trebuie sa fii prost sa ceri factura, si asa ia statul destule taxe. Daca as gasi un post peste 160k m-as si muta in cateva luni. Dar de unde? Am prieteni romani in Zürich si fix atat castiga ca programatori seniori, 120-130k cum zic si astia in video. Imi poti da un pont unde se castiga 200k?
Hey Jan & Claudia, I'm afraid these numbers are well below market average for IT in Zurich. The real question here is: are these graphs based on the advertised salary range? And how many of these jobs actually get filled within the advertised salary range?
Tbh hard to believe a IT professional earn that low anywhere in Switzerland..... Comon! A simple welder or bus driver earn around 80-100k Gross. It's really sad if their salary graphs are accurate.
I suspect they are considering a bottom barrel employee, because no way in hell any self respecting swe//senior see (or above) would go in Switzerland for 100-120k.. Even taking out of context my own experience with formal offers from Switzerland, my friend working there in the 9-10 you secure around 180-240+ bonus, give or take a few k depending on the area of expertise 😊
@@witchedwiz The salaries are correct. The IT people are not good paid in Switzerland. Take my example: Master in Physics from ETH worked ~1 year abroad as researcher in a famous research organization(where I used C++ and physics, there I earned around 2000 Euro) then I worked 1.5 years as C++ programmer in Switzerland as a Junior where i worked for 70000.- Now I earn 90K as a C++ programmer in Zurich! I will look for a new job and try it in the consulting field, because yes it is indeed a joke!
These numbers are pretty accurate. Swiss goverment offered insights about salaries for a long time. They have to know it exactly since they get the taxes. Currently they are rebuilding their tool, but it matches pretty much the numbers of the video.
Thanks, the video (and comments) is interesting. We are here with some of the highest salaries in the world, so it’s impressive. If we add to that that taxes are particularly low (especially since they include contributions), that the the country offer many accessible services like many European countries (health care, education, etc.) and infrastructure general quality, it is particularly high. Of course, life is expensive there, but the standard of living will remain of high quality overall. With a mostly higher salary than everyone else in other countries, you also keep the possibility of offering yourself goods, trips and retirements abroad (but many are too well off in Switzerland to leave) at proportionately less expensive than anyone else. (There are of course other jobs and other countries with great salaries. But here it is a relatively quiet job which simply requires being smart and hardworking, having a good diploma and learn German... even if being friendly, charismatic or handsome will help as with almost all jobs and life in general)
Insured salary is not 7/8 of your gross salary. It is your gross salary up to the statuary max (which is around 90k) minus coordinated salary which is 7/8 of the minimum salary. And withholding tax is not the tax rate of the gross salary but of a gross salary minus certain reduction. So you can actually reduce the withholding tax base if you, for example, pay in the third pillar.
Good video but everything is just in theory. Nowadays, no one is hiring junior developers, I had to leave Switzerland after my studies for this reason.
Dear Claudia & Jan✨ , Thanks for the in-depth analysis on the salary structure. And your content is super helpful for expats to bridge the knowlegge gap about Life in Zurich. Hope to make a move soon. ✨
Now, could you do one on Hardware/VLSI engineer? I was a former software engineer who switched to a System-on-Chip engineer. Is there a Semiconductor industry in Switzerland?
No; STI microelectronics kicked the proverbial bucket years ago; you might be able to land a job at a small to medium sized company, or Ruag, the national arms manufacturer, but neither of those will pay you what you're really worth.
Hi this is very nice, can you also make a video maybe using the same salary and net salary, and also adding rent, bills and insurance to the calculation, so we can see how much is really left. Also including groceries. Thank you!
Hi Marcos. Thank you very much for your kind comment! We are super happy you like the video. In order to learn more about the cost of living in Zurich, we invite you to watch the video “Cost of living in Zurich” that you will find in our channel. Best regards!! 😊
This is another grat video! :) I am really surprised how low the salaries for senior software engineers are in comparison to the juniors, barely higher. Are there no companies except FAANG that offer salaries above 130k? I would like to apply for those.
The salary information they share in the video is very accurate. As a software engineer you earn a reasonable salary, but most of the time you don't earn like a lawyer, a consultant, a financial expert or a doctor. As a software engineer you belong to the mid-to-upper part of the swiss middle class and nothing more. It is not completely impossible to earn more but very rarely. If you want to get a super high-paying job STEM is not the right thing to do.
@@rh2872 I don't think so. I doubt that the "Fachkräftemangel" is as big as the companies claim. This starts with the ridiculous job interviews which often consists of multiple rounds over weeks or even months, assesment-exercises that need 3-9 hours to solve them - for a boring and not very difficult programming job... The salaries are not super high and in the average you need 9 months to find a new job as a developer in Switzerland. The companies can just do that because they have so many applicants from all over the world. They have no interest in educating their employees by themself, they just can look for the "Wollmilchsau". The job of a software engineer is completely overrated, mostly it is boring, you have nothing to say, and will never make a good career. If you want to become rich and powerful it is still the same as 20 years ago: become a lawyer, a specialized doctor or a finance specialist. Another sad thing: A big part of software engineers made a master/phd in physics, math or electric engineering, in this time the people sacrified most of their personal time to ETH or other universities. most of them are extremly overqualified for a simple programming job like "create a new red button". There are too many academics, too many immigrants(i can understand them) and too many companies that advertise jobs for which you needed an apprenticeship in later times and today a master degree.
I feel like the median shared gives a wrong impression of what people can expect. Yes 50% of the people earn more, but 50% also earn less. If you look at the pay ranges on swissdevjobs they tend to lay between these ranges, but mostly people get hired on the lower end. Especially if you are going to smaller companies and not large corperations. Also consider, that many companies pay 13 months salary, not 12. So the 100k needs to be devided by 13.
Cardiologist or radiologist with same 8 years of experience as Senior Software engineer meanwhile earns around CHF 400.000-600.000 Why these big differences between 2 high demand professions then? Its sad.
Totally true, a senior software engineer salary in Zürich should be at least 200k. I really cannot imagine how software engineers with experience after 4-6 years of studies work for almost the same money as someone who barelly finished 10 classes.
you cannot compare these two professions! a doctor often has the responsibility of someones life and a really really long training, whereas anyone could become a software engineer within a year if he's capable doing it (without a degree)...
There are too many software engineers in the world. Supply & demand. Companies can simply outsource to India & have a team of experienced engineers instead of paying for 1 Swiss who will get the same code from Google anyway
@@j134679 Outsourcing to a team in India = rewriting the whole code myself because nothing worked 1-2 days before client presentation 🤦♀️ after having this happen multiple times I quit the job and switched to a company which doesn't Outsource to India
Next, compare it to secondary school teachers. My understanding is that fresh out of college, they make around 110k CHF annually. This would be far more surprising than the software engineering salaries. In addition, my understanding is that only 6% of teachers is foreign, with 3% (50% of the 6%) being from Germany. Meaning it is a profession foreigners will find almost impossible to get into.
Thanks for info about salary but what about rent,price of flat,price of food etc etc thats whats important if u work on site. I can make half of that what u make in zurich but if i live in thailand i'll have a life of a rich person while in swiss i would live like a begger so im waiting for costs of life video.
Great. And how many big-macs (and rent, cars, food etc.) can you buy with that? That comparison (0:50) ist just nominal, adjusted (to what you spend in Zürich) it would be a little less, i think.
Very Insightful video guys! One follow up question. As per the current job market , what are the supposed steps one should take in order to stand out while applying to Software Eng. jobs in Zurich?
As a sw eng with 20y of experiance, i dont care about the money!!! What I care about is (in order): - enjoy being with people im working, - the products Im building have a purpose and is ethicly correct, - have ability to learn new stuff and make mistakes. Thats it. BR from 🇩🇰 (originally from 🇽🇰)
Thanks guys! I’ve found your video quite interesting. Could you please make a video about the third pillar and how does it work in Switzerland? I’d like to find out more about this topic.
Hi it is very valuable video.Thanks for your time and help.Could you make video about living costs.And how much software engineer can save money with tax and living there. Thank you
I don't really understand how can be a high demand university profession as Software Engineer or any similar IT workers earn that low. Seriously even as senior the median barerly above 100k... WTH? My friend a simple factory welder without any diploma and getting 7000 CHF Gross with 13. Salary to. So he getting around 91K gross as a factory worker welder..... Almost same amount as a Software engineer at mid level.... Its really sad and bad in the same time.
Law of supply & demand. Everyone wants to be in IT, so the supply is too high. Less people want to do manual labor, so traditional manual labor jobs are increasing in salary. Lots of medical workers died during the pandemic, so it's a good field to get into in the near future.
Great Vlog as always ... Is there a web that shows interior designer , graphic designer, creative designer, architects salaries similar to this one for development ? If you can help please ☺🥰
Clear and interesting. More positions for sure interesting. I'm doing project management and lead engineering tasks. And part buissiness development as a consultant in Sweden. Seems engineering jobs in Switzerland are about double sweden in salary How does entry level management positions compare to engineering positions pay wise? Is it common with consultants and what are the spread of hourly rates?
great video, I was thinking about moving to Switzerland, but I wonder if I don't speak local languages is that would be easy to secure a job as a junior software engineering
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Heyyy , is there any chance that you can connect with employees in Microsoft zurich. I am looking for some1 that I lost contact with . I am feeling hopless.
I am getting my German citizenship soon and would like to go to Switzerland (currently in America). Are tech jobs enough to support a family of 4 with 2 cats and 2 dogs?
Hey :), what is the degree impact on salary? Does it have any impact? What is the difference btw bachelor, master and doctorate degree in Salary? Thank you guys :))
Hello, I think relocation to CH is often needed, or at least that you are e.g. 2 days per week in the office, but you could live in another country e.g. Germany and drive over the border to work there. It is just more commuting. However it depends from company to company therefore there is no exact answer. Good luck!
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I'm Brazilian, my dream is to live in Switzerland, I'm currently in my 3rd year of computer science, any tips for those who want to be a developer in Switzerland? I'm starting to study English, when I finish I'll study German.
I am planning to move to Switzerland next year when I achieve the B2 level of German. I am a Big Data Engineer, and here in Spain I only earn 2100 euro (after tax) per month. A waitress in Switzerland makes more than me lol. Can you please make a video where you ask the people in Zurich what do they think about foreigners?
Life in Switzerland is much more expensive, I was in Zurich 2 years as a Engineer and I was earning 90k after 2 years i moved to Amsterdam, I was earning less but after all I was able to save more money (kept lifestyle at the same level)
Hey guys! On your opinion, is it possible to find a .NET dev job in Switzerland with 2,5 years of experience, pretty good English, but without knowing German?
I am from Portugal and i want to move to zurique as software engineer. I've got 2 years of experience. Is it ok if I don't know how to speak french? Is it easy to move there?
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Is there a way to make a sequel explaining the 13 months and as well breaking down the net salary into the monthly expenses and savings ? Thank you
Great video!
In Bulgaria, mid level fullstack developer earns around €25000…
Hi guys, nice and useful video. I was wondering if you can make a video about life work balance in Switzerland. How many hours do people work and how demanding is working in Switzerland. Many thanks and keep up!
I am a software engineer in Germany. Is it possible to work in Switzerland while living in Germany ?
I was a Software Engineer in Zurich (i just quit my job to become an entrepreneur). I started with 89000 CHF/Year as a Junior. Last Year i was earning 110.000 CHF/Year after 6 years of Experience. I could easily get a Job between 120.000 CHF/Year - 130.000 CHF/ Year as a Senior Software Engineer.
Hey there thanks for sharing your insights! Really interesting ⭐️🙂 We are always very happy when people are sharing their experiences 🙌 We wish you best of luck with your project!
Thank you@@claudiaandjan. So kind. I left a subscription
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Do you have befits/bonus also?
@@paolomarchignoli5985 no. I worked for Swiss Companies and for some it is very unsual to have any form of bonuses
Ahh I'm a Software Engineer in San Francisco and it's one of my dreams to live in Europe one day. This was very informative - subscribed!
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And what do you think? Negotiate to work remotely at your company, maybe.
As a Senior Software Engineer in Zürich I can confirm, that these salary ranges are correct. If you are fresh from university, then I would highly recommend not to accept a job that is offering less than around 84.5k, with 40h week and 25 days of holiday per year. This is the typical minimum salary for someone with a Master Degree (and around 80k with Bachelor). I have seen Junior Devs accepting sometimes way much less and then looking for a new job after they found out how much others in the same company make. My advice to you: Even if you are tending to be less self-confident, be aware that the others that are applying to the same job only have the same skills than you. Even the Googlers dont know much more than you when you are fresh from Uni. My experience is that the Googlers most often know much less. Their only skills are to sell themself well, be confident, to memorize useless interview questions well and they have the persistence to get into such a job. So, dont underestimate yourself, be confident and also ask for a salary of at least around 85k. If you are accepting less, then it is your own fault, because HR will pay as low as they can get it.
Thank you very much for your comment and for sharing your experience. Super interesting!! ⭐️
Thank you for the insights! What percentage of the salary is given as RSU/stock options? How much do you reckon the cost of living in Zurich is?
Great comment, very useful especially for juniors. I am a senior software engineer with Masters degree, fluent in German and would like to get a job in Switzerland. The problem is, the job offers that I get are around 120-130k. How do people get salaries over 160k? Are there any companies except the big five?
@@filippoboiani1386 It really depends from company to company. In my current company you get the full salary paid out without any bonus or option. It is being divided by 13. 1/13th is paid out every month from Jan to Nov and 2/13th are paid out in December. This also called the 13th salary (13.Gehalt in german). In other companies the split between salary and bonus is around 85:15 to 90:10. At least this is what I experienced.
@@filippoboiani1386 Cost of living in Zurich is extremely high. If you are sharing an apartment then you pay at least around 1500 CHF per month for rent. If you want to live alone then you can calculate roughly around 1000 CHF per room. This is very rough. Then you can also expect at least around 400 CHF you have to pay for healthcare insurance. These numbers are very rough and you can also get cheaper options if you are lucky.
Great video guys! I love the detailed explanation you made! I can definitely see, that you put a lot of work into this video. I really hope to see your channel rise, you deserve it.
Thanks so much for your comment and support! ⭐️
Great video! Just got a job offer yesterday in the aerospace industry and am most likely moving to Zurich in one month! Thanks for all the great videos, advice and content about living in Zurich! Keep it up!
Mathias from Stockholm
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Thank you so much for this video! I am currently studying Computer Science and I am planning on moving to Switzerland, Zurich next year. This video was very informative and useful.
Glad it was helpful! Best of luck!! 🤗👋
Swiss jobs go the Swiss first. I-d say its pretty unlikely to get a position as a fresh bachelor. As a foreigner you need years of experience.
This is a great video. Moreover, you have to put this into perspective with the cost of living in different cities.
I live in Paris, where the cost of living is roughly 29% lower than in Zurich. But the salary is almost half, therefore getting a 25% decrease in quality of life.
For someone living in Barcelona, the salary is 55% lower, but the cost of life is also 51% lower.
The best ratio whn it comes to onsite jobs still belongs to Berlin: salary is 40% lower, but the cost of life is 60% lower than in Zurich. When it comes to full remote, I'd highly suggest working for a Swiss company, and being based in south-east Asia (Living in Bali is roughly 3 times less constly than living in Switzerland)
Hi Pierre. Thank you very much for your message. Super interesting info!! 😊⭐️
You gotta factor in taxes and social into your calculation.
You can also work in Zürich but live 30 min away in Zug where you pay less taxes. Or you live close to the border in Germany and have lower costs of living (but higher taxes as you live in Germany). So, it's best to keep taxes in mind for every combination.
Don’t forget net salary, in Switzerland you pay reasonable taxes not like in Germany or Spain.
Thank you so much for the video and also the tax breakdown hehe. If we could please have another video about Data Science, Data Engineer or/and Data Analyst it would be awesome!!!
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Hey! Nice video, congrats! Not one of the most popular positions perhaps, but could you pleaze also do a video dedicated to PhD students/workers in Switzerland? Working conditions, salaries, obligations towards the state, etc. Thanks for the informative content
Thanks you very much for your message. We take note of your suggestion 😊
@@padiyarvishalwhy is that?
I've been searching for a Java Backend job for a few months now in Switzerland and it's not easy at all. I have almost 2 years of experience with a bachelors degree in computer science and I'm an EU Citizen. I also speak fluent English but not German/Italian/French. Most jobs that I find (Indeed/LinkedIn/Swissdevjobs/Jobeo/Grabjobs/and many more..) require at least one of the "swiss" languages, and the english only jobs have always hundreds of applications and a LOT of competition. Market is a bit hard to break into right now but hopefully next year it will be "easier" 😅🙏
in this case you should consider learning another language
learn german
Im a cs student in the UK.
Right now I dont have time but once I graduate the first thing I need is 3 years of experience here in the uk + a good level of german
I believe once I have my degree,3 years of professional experience + being able to speak 4 languages(including english and german) can give me the opportunity to get a job in the tech industry in zurich
Thank you so much for making this video. I ask this In the last video. More success to both of you 😊
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@@grxkas5552 you are right.
This is exactly what I was searching for regarding IT and software engineering in Switzerland, danke! Keep doing videos, you guys got a new sub ;)
Amazing video guys as always. I love the in-depth analysis!
Thanks for the comment!
After I finished university I applied in switzerland. Then when I got a job offer I moved to switzerland. I started with a salary of 110k and now I am earning 120k after 2 years. I think my salary for an enginner is good, but can always be better :) Luckywise I am not in germany anymore, my best offer I got was about 65k in germany, after tax you will be poor in germany :(
Thank you very much for your informative comment. Very interesting to know!! 😊
In which sector do you work ? Software engineer in finance?
2 years and only 10% increase? It's quite sad.
@@kylmorevossexactly, I come from Eastern Europe and my salary more than doubled after 2 years, in 4 years I had 4 times more. We always calculate netto there and after just 4 years I had 3500€ netto. Now I live in Germany and earn 5300€ netto, 108k before taxes.
I am swiss, I am graduated 3 years ago and I earn 90k as a c++ programmer. Your job offer is really good.
Thank you for this informative video. I think the salary of UX/UI designers in Zurich is also an exciting topic. Hopefully, both of you can cover this topic.
Great suggestion!
Yes, I would also like to hear about UX/UI designer salaries in Switzerland. I really like this format, you made great and detailed video! 😊
thanks for the video it motivates me to study hard to get in Switzerland
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As a senior in IT you can make 150k (if you work for a large company). 130k would be in a smaller company. But in my experience knowing German is almost always a must (at least B1-B2). So learn German otherwise it will be hard even in tech.
Thank you very much for your great comment and insights 😊
It's a very informative video. It would be nice if you could make a video about the work culture in Switzerland, specifically in Zurich. I live in the Netherlands, and the work-life balance and work culture are incredible. Is Zurich the same as Amsterdam in this matter?
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I had a friend that moved to Switzerland after 14 years of Australia. After 3 years in Switzerland he concluded "in Australia we work to get to live our lives, in Switzerland, people live to get to work as much as possible."
@@14mrb67 your friend ain't lying. we are so stressed here and pay for even breathing or existing
Are you kidding? Most people work 42+ hours per week; 50 to 80 hours is not uncommon.
Hi Claudia and Jan! Thank you for your analysis and the video! 😊 I am a Senior Software engineer in Stuttgart and made a research how much I could earn in Switzerland with my job. Unfortunately I was disappointed because the max was 150k and as a consultant, normal jobs were around 120k. How is it possible that it is so low and that there is such a small difference between a Junior and a senior? My current salary in Germany ist 108k. I come from East Europe and a Junior earns around 1200€, a Senior around 3500€ netto, while the average country salary is 1000€, so IT people have really a lot of money in comparison to other jobs. How come people in Switzerland accept to get barely more than somebody who didn't even finish 10 classes?
Yes, this surprises me as well. But you still have the benefit of taxes. With 150k in 12 months, you have net 6.806,17 Eur / Month in Germany, while in Switzerland with 120k in 12 Months you have net roughly 7.619,73 Eur per month. I'd say it's still worth it, but of course the benefit shrinks, considering the higher living costs.
For jobs with lower income, there is also the rule that you should earn 2x as much as you get in Germany. The higher your salary, the less this rule works out it seems.
which country are you from . I am also EE but 3500 netto as employee is not normal here
@@bakkecske91 Romania, all my ex university mates earn around 3000-3500€ after taxes as software engineers with 8-10 years of experience. Freelancers even 8000€ after taxes. These salaries are only in IT and medicine field. Engineers get a bit lower, 2000€.
Nu stiu de unde te informezi, dar esti cam pe langa. Poti sa iti spun ca eu castig 200k ca si consultant in Elvetia. Si tu ramai in mana cu abia jumatate din cei 108k. Aici taxele sunt mult mai mici, eu platesc sub 25%. Si vezi ca cine a terminat 10 clase poate sa faca mai multi bani ca tine, ia vezi cat te costa sa iti vina instalatorul pt o ora, acolo in in Frankfurt la tine, am o presimitire ca vei fi uimit ;).
@@GA-fs4cz cum de unde ma informez? Nu vezi ca si ei in video au zis ca un programator Senior castiga max 130.000chf brut. Atat am primit si eu maxim 125-130k in Zürich. Tocmai am renovat complet doua apartamente cumparate in Stuttgart, chiar nu a fost scumpa manopera, materialele au fost mai scumpe. Instalatorul cu factura costa mult pe ora ca plateste 60% taxe, trebuie sa fii prost sa ceri factura, si asa ia statul destule taxe. Daca as gasi un post peste 160k m-as si muta in cateva luni. Dar de unde? Am prieteni romani in Zürich si fix atat castiga ca programatori seniori, 120-130k cum zic si astia in video. Imi poti da un pont unde se castiga 200k?
So only ~20% of taxes in total for a young person? This is extremely great comparing to the other parts of Europe
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Thank You Guys. I am from Sri Lanka. I love to migrate to Switzerland. As a software developer.
Hey Jan & Claudia, I'm afraid these numbers are well below market average for IT in Zurich. The real question here is: are these graphs based on the advertised salary range? And how many of these jobs actually get filled within the advertised salary range?
Tbh hard to believe a IT professional earn that low anywhere in Switzerland..... Comon! A simple welder or bus driver earn around 80-100k Gross. It's really sad if their salary graphs are accurate.
I suspect they are considering a bottom barrel employee, because no way in hell any self respecting swe//senior see (or above) would go in Switzerland for 100-120k..
Even taking out of context my own experience with formal offers from Switzerland, my friend working there in the 9-10 you secure around 180-240+ bonus, give or take a few k depending on the area of expertise 😊
@@witchedwiz The salaries are correct. The IT people are not good paid in Switzerland. Take my example:
Master in Physics from ETH
worked ~1 year abroad as researcher in a famous research organization(where I used C++ and physics, there I earned around 2000 Euro)
then I worked 1.5 years as C++ programmer in Switzerland as a Junior where i worked for 70000.-
Now I earn 90K as a C++ programmer in Zurich! I will look for a new job and try it in the consulting field, because yes it is indeed a joke!
These numbers are pretty accurate. Swiss goverment offered insights about salaries for a long time. They have to know it exactly since they get the taxes. Currently they are rebuilding their tool, but it matches pretty much the numbers of the video.
@@halloyvesYes it supposed to be ready again in fall but they have another interesting graphs to take a look in their page
Thanks, the video (and comments) is interesting. We are here with some of the highest salaries in the world, so it’s impressive. If we add to that that taxes are particularly low (especially since they include contributions), that the the country offer many accessible services like many European countries (health care, education, etc.) and infrastructure general quality, it is particularly high.
Of course, life is expensive there, but the standard of living will remain of high quality overall. With a mostly higher salary than everyone else in other countries, you also keep the possibility of offering yourself goods, trips and retirements abroad (but many are too well off in Switzerland to leave) at proportionately less expensive than anyone else.
(There are of course other jobs and other countries with great salaries. But here it is a relatively quiet job which simply requires being smart and hardworking, having a good diploma and learn German... even if being friendly, charismatic or handsome will help as with almost all jobs and life in general)
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Insured salary is not 7/8 of your gross salary. It is your gross salary up to the statuary max (which is around 90k) minus coordinated salary which is 7/8 of the minimum salary.
And withholding tax is not the tax rate of the gross salary but of a gross salary minus certain reduction. So you can actually reduce the withholding tax base if you, for example, pay in the third pillar.
Great video! I received a job offer for Senior Software Engineer and I will relocate to Zurich in July. 🎉
Good video but everything is just in theory. Nowadays, no one is hiring junior developers, I had to leave Switzerland after my studies for this reason.
Hey! I also come from Romania, now living in Germany. Which country did you choose?
@@Micha-bp5om M-am reîntors în România, în Sibiu!
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@@claudiaandjan Thanks for your video!
Dear Claudia & Jan✨ , Thanks for the in-depth analysis on the salary structure. And your content is super helpful for expats to bridge the knowlegge gap about Life in Zurich. Hope to make a move soon. ✨
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Considering the average salaries of other professions, I'd say software engineers don't earn enough.
It‘s good to know something about the system of the Swiss
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Thanks for making this video. If possible also make videos on how to get job from India into Switzerland for IT employees. Thanks.
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Great topic! Btw I didn't know you have friends from Bangladesh.. that's cool!!
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susbcribed guys! I'm from Argentina! And software engineer learning Deutsch! Living in Spain and member of the EU! Maybe I have some chances there!
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Been there in Bern as a tourist, really nice place!
Now, could you do one on Hardware/VLSI engineer? I was a former software engineer who switched to a System-on-Chip engineer. Is there a Semiconductor industry in Switzerland?
No; STI microelectronics kicked the proverbial bucket years ago; you might be able to land a job at a small to medium sized company, or Ruag, the national arms manufacturer, but neither of those will pay you what you're really worth.
in the US the average salary with 8 years of experience is about 160,000 a lot more than Switzerland but cost of living is very high in Switzerland :/
but swiss tax is like 25% flat on any income.. is it same in US ? i think its rather 40-50% for that kind of salary
@@Alexander-dt2eqno, taxes are lower in the US
@@Alexander-dt2eq no, it’s 30% at the highest state which would be New York and 25 other states for that band of salary
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The US has the highest salaries in the whole planet, no other place compares. Switzerland comes right after together with Luxembourg, maybe Singapore.
now you need to make a video how much Jan makes as Software engineer in Zurich to have a real data point :D
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Hi, love ur content, please make a video on how to invest money as an expat in Switzerland 😊
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Hi this is very nice, can you also make a video maybe using the same salary and net salary, and also adding rent, bills and insurance to the calculation, so we can see how much is really left. Also including groceries.
Thank you!
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This is another grat video! :) I am really surprised how low the salaries for senior software engineers are in comparison to the juniors, barely higher. Are there no companies except FAANG that offer salaries above 130k? I would like to apply for those.
Thanks for sharing!
The salary information they share in the video is very accurate. As a software engineer you earn a reasonable salary, but most of the time you don't earn like a lawyer, a consultant, a financial expert or a doctor. As a software engineer you belong to the mid-to-upper part of the swiss middle class and nothing more. It is not completely impossible to earn more but very rarely. If you want to get a super high-paying job STEM is not the right thing to do.
The career path can go higher but you move to management, so technically no longer a software engineer
@@pitschquitsch6858That is because most software devs sell themselves under value. Some software devs in Zurich earn like lawyers.
@@rh2872 I don't think so. I doubt that the "Fachkräftemangel" is as big as the companies claim. This starts with the ridiculous job interviews which often consists of multiple rounds over weeks or even months, assesment-exercises that need 3-9 hours to solve them - for a boring and not very difficult programming job...
The salaries are not super high and in the average you need 9 months to find a new job as a developer in Switzerland.
The companies can just do that because they have so many applicants from all over the world. They have no interest in educating their employees by themself, they just can look for the "Wollmilchsau".
The job of a software engineer is completely overrated, mostly it is boring, you have nothing to say, and will never make a good career.
If you want to become rich and powerful it is still the same as 20 years ago: become a lawyer, a specialized doctor or a finance specialist.
Another sad thing: A big part of software engineers made a master/phd in physics, math or electric engineering, in this time the people sacrified most of their personal time to ETH or other universities. most of them are extremly overqualified for a simple programming job like "create a new red button". There are too many academics, too many immigrants(i can understand them) and too many companies that advertise jobs for which you needed an apprenticeship in later times and today a master degree.
I‘m a System Engineer and i got about 80k total compensation after my 2 year apprenticeship (no bachelors)
I feel like the median shared gives a wrong impression of what people can expect. Yes 50% of the people earn more, but 50% also earn less. If you look at the pay ranges on swissdevjobs they tend to lay between these ranges, but mostly people get hired on the lower end. Especially if you are going to smaller companies and not large corperations.
Also consider, that many companies pay 13 months salary, not 12. So the 100k needs to be devided by 13.
Cardiologist or radiologist with same 8 years of experience as Senior Software engineer meanwhile earns around CHF 400.000-600.000 Why these big differences between 2 high demand professions then? Its sad.
Totally true, a senior software engineer salary in Zürich should be at least 200k. I really cannot imagine how software engineers with experience after 4-6 years of studies work for almost the same money as someone who barelly finished 10 classes.
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you cannot compare these two professions! a doctor often has the responsibility of someones life and a really really long training, whereas anyone could become a software engineer within a year if he's capable doing it (without a degree)...
There are too many software engineers in the world. Supply & demand. Companies can simply outsource to India & have a team of experienced engineers instead of paying for 1 Swiss who will get the same code from Google anyway
@@j134679 Outsourcing to a team in India = rewriting the whole code myself because nothing worked 1-2 days before client presentation 🤦♀️ after having this happen multiple times I quit the job and switched to a company which doesn't Outsource to India
Next, compare it to secondary school teachers. My understanding is that fresh out of college, they make around 110k CHF annually. This would be far more surprising than the software engineering salaries. In addition, my understanding is that only 6% of teachers is foreign, with 3% (50% of the 6%) being from Germany. Meaning it is a profession foreigners will find almost impossible to get into.
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Great video thank you so much! Switzerland is definitely best country in the world. I spend one month in Zurich and love this country so much
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Thanks for info about salary but what about rent,price of flat,price of food etc etc thats whats important if u work on site. I can make half of that what u make in zurich but if i live in thailand i'll have a life of a rich person while in swiss i would live like a begger so im waiting for costs of life video.
Great. And how many big-macs (and rent, cars, food etc.) can you buy with that? That comparison (0:50) ist just nominal, adjusted (to what you spend in Zürich) it would be a little less, i think.
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It s not easy to get a software job in Switzerland, but if you can, you can find one in us as well, and earn 2x there. 🎉
First of all,I think your videos are fun and entertaining but also educational. Could you please comment salaries of mechanical engineers?
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Very Insightful video guys! One follow up question. As per the current job market , what are the supposed steps one should take in order to stand out while applying to Software Eng. jobs in Zurich?
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You guys are more Swiss than Swiss people :)
Glad to hear you have Bangladeshi friends as well...
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As a sw eng with 20y of experiance, i dont care about the money!!!
What I care about is (in order):
- enjoy being with people im working,
- the products Im building have a purpose and is ethicly correct,
- have ability to learn new stuff and make mistakes.
Thats it.
BR from 🇩🇰 (originally from 🇽🇰)
Thanks guys! I’ve found your video quite interesting. Could you please make a video about the third pillar and how does it work in Switzerland? I’d like to find out more about this topic.
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Nice video I’ve been waiting for such a video for a long time, can you guys make a video on how to find IT jobs in Switzerland 🇨🇭
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Hi it is very valuable video.Thanks for your time and help.Could you make video about living costs.And how much software engineer can save money with tax and living there.
Thank you
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I don't really understand how can be a high demand university profession as Software Engineer or any similar IT workers earn that low. Seriously even as senior the median barerly above 100k... WTH? My friend a simple factory welder without any diploma and getting 7000 CHF Gross with 13. Salary to. So he getting around 91K gross as a factory worker welder..... Almost same amount as a Software engineer at mid level.... Its really sad and bad in the same time.
that's true! I often ask myself the same question. people nowadays can earn a lot of money without studying.. real work doesn't pay off anymore!
Law of supply & demand. Everyone wants to be in IT, so the supply is too high.
Less people want to do manual labor, so traditional manual labor jobs are increasing in salary.
Lots of medical workers died during the pandemic, so it's a good field to get into in the near future.
Great Vlog as always ... Is there a web that shows interior designer , graphic designer, creative designer, architects salaries similar to this one for development ? If you can help please ☺🥰
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Could you please update this topic with a video, including Data Sciences jobs in Switzerland?
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Clear and interesting. More positions for sure interesting.
I'm doing project management and lead engineering tasks. And part buissiness development as a consultant in Sweden. Seems engineering jobs in Switzerland are about double sweden in salary
How does entry level management positions compare to engineering positions pay wise?
Is it common with consultants and what are the spread of hourly rates?
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1:11 Median salary is not equivalent to average salary. I expect the average salary to be higher than the median salary.
Can you make video about finding job in switzerland as a foringer, normal job like working in supermarket or something else, keep up the great work :)
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Loved the video ! My question is can you get a job as an software engineer in Switzerland working remotely/hybrid from another country in EU?
Great video! Could you make a video about how much physcists make?
I was waiting for something like this :)
Hope to hop to switzerland in a few years.
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Hey Claudia and Jan! What about the salary ranges for Senior / Lead UX Designers in Zurich? #UX
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Would be great if you could please do another case study for Pharmacist too.
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Hello ! Tell me please, do you know how much do a QA engineer ? thank you !
My husband is a software engineer need a job in Germany or Switzerland can you help please
C permit holders also don’t have automatic withholding.
Cool video 😊👍
How about digital marketing? Is it possible to find a job in this area with B1 Gernan and a little experience?
great video, I was thinking about moving to Switzerland, but I wonder if I don't speak local languages is that would be easy to secure a job as a junior software engineering
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Heyyy , is there any chance that you can connect with employees in Microsoft zurich. I am looking for some1 that I lost contact with . I am feeling hopless.
I am getting my German citizenship soon and would like to go to Switzerland (currently in America). Are tech jobs enough to support a family of 4 with 2 cats and 2 dogs?
Hey :), what is the degree impact on salary? Does it have any impact? What is the difference btw bachelor, master and doctorate degree in Salary?
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Thank you. Is it possible to work for a company located in Zurich from remote from outside of Switzerland but inside EU as a contractor?
Hello, I think relocation to CH is often needed, or at least that you are e.g. 2 days per week in the office, but you could live in another country e.g. Germany and drive over the border to work there. It is just more commuting. However it depends from company to company therefore there is no exact answer. Good luck!
@@claudiaandjan thank you. And what about working as a contractor? Do you have any experience with that?
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I'm Brazilian, my dream is to live in Switzerland, I'm currently in my 3rd year of computer science, any tips for those who want to be a developer in Switzerland? I'm starting to study English, when I finish I'll study German.
thanks for the video
Currently between 145K and 150K
Yes please!Can you do one for finance controller and consultant?
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What are you guys professions and how much do you make?
I am planning to move to Switzerland next year when I achieve the B2 level of German.
I am a Big Data Engineer, and here in Spain I only earn 2100 euro (after tax) per month. A waitress in Switzerland makes more than me lol.
Can you please make a video where you ask the people in Zurich what do they think about foreigners?
Life in Switzerland is much more expensive, I was in Zurich 2 years as a Engineer and I was earning 90k after 2 years i moved to Amsterdam, I was earning less but after all I was able to save more money (kept lifestyle at the same level)
2100€ after taxes is really low. I left Romania 5 years ago and my salary was 3400€ after taxes with 4 years of experience
In Switzerland you should already have a budget of 2k monthly only for the rent.
Hey guys! On your opinion, is it possible to find a .NET dev job in Switzerland with 2,5 years of experience, pretty good English, but without knowing German?
Thanks for the video. Do you work in the IT industry?
I am from Portugal and i want to move to zurique as software engineer. I've got 2 years of experience. Is it ok if I don't know how to speak french?
Is it easy to move there?
hey guys, its an informative video. may i know what website did u use to see the median salary?
Very helpul and informative video. I am also a software engineer. Do you guys know a good tax adviser in Switzerland? Or how can i find one?
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Hi guys, can you suggest the best way to maybe find an internship in the field of engineering in Switzerland as European?
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350k+ if you can provide exceptional value
short answer: a lot. more than a doctor
exactamente lo que buscaba dam
Don't forget the mandatory health insurance!
short answer less than america and pay a lot for cost of living so I would prefer America any day for salary