Remote ID: Is the industry ready for what's coming?
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- Is there a Remote ID storm brewing on the horizon? It sure looks like it!
It's time for a Remote ID update. The regulation went live in April 2021 and the industry has been very quiet regarding how the technology will be implemented. The first deadline is September 16, 2022, which is 2 months away. By this date, manufacturers will have to produce drones that are Remote ID ready.
In this video, we will take a look at what manufacturers have been up to, when we can expect a new Remote ID drone, and whether or not Remote ID should be a purchasing decision.
We will also look into how individual drone builders (such as FPV) may be affected by the upcoming deadline and whether or not your drone is compatible with remote ID.
00:00 Introduction
00:40 Remote ID Background
01:49 How to comply with Remote ID
02:34 Important Deadlines
03:22 How does remote ID work?
04:17 What information is Public and Broadcasted?
06:00 Will my name and address be displayed?
06:15 Will anyone be able to view this information?
07:03 Will I be able to move my module from aircraft to aircraft?
07:19 What's going on with Remote ID right now?
09:12 What's the deal with the Sept 16 deadline?
10:20 How is "production date" defined?
11:13 Who will enforce Remote ID with manufacturers? What are the fines?
11:53 What about Home Built aircraft?
14:10 Will a retrofitted drone be considered "standard remote ID"?
15:43 Will Remote ID be delayed?
16:33 Can the FAA enforce manufacturer compliance?
17:10 Should you buy a drone with Remote ID?
17:45 Will my drone be retrofitted?
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If anyone outside of the FAA or Law Enforcement (i.e. the person who hates drones and drone pilots) has access to the Remote ID information, I can see it putting a lot of Drone Pilots in real danger. I think the reason we don't hear more stories of hostile interactions between the Anti-drone crowd and Drone Pilots now is because the A-holes out there who have nothing better to do than to go at a Drone Pilots if they see a Drone is they can't readily find them. Remote ID is the Bat Signal directly to the Pilot location. This is bad JuJu! The FAA is systematically dismantling Recreational Drone Flying
We the people own and run this country, in theory and practical application. If We the people stand up and say no, this is why etc than it wouldn't happen. The problem is everyone is busy and trying to keep food on the table and their bills paid, nobody wants to devote time to implementing a meeting of all hobbyist, all part 107 to gather and discuss it all. For that matter a vote could be taken, a petition could be assembled and signed by all hobbyist and one for part 107. This could happen, we have the power of what goes and what doesn't. Problem is most people don't know it or they just don't believe it. We do not consent👎who's with me? At least hobbyist section? Anyone? ________
@@Roboticdoughbull3k im with you brother lets do it!!!
It is also ilegal to use an electronic device to track an individual. this Remote ID rule is in violation of many other laws. We already made more than 50 thousand comments against the rule but they don't seem to be listening to the people. Governments declared an open war on people since 2020. I don't think anyone will comply with this. lets see how it ends.
The rule should also stipulate that the information of anyone with an active monitoring device is beamed back to the pilot. I mean, since we are making this all overly complex anyway...
I think the more common scenario would be someone catching wind of that being a way to steal an expensive drone. particularly if a pilot is alone flying at night or in a remote area. it wouldn't be that hard to pull it off if you were really committed to it.
Local law enforcement here, the overwhelming majority of us doesn’t want instant access to this information. If it turns out to be something worth investigating, we can take the time to go through the process of obtaining the info. Otherwise every busybody, HOA director, etc. will worry us to death every time they see a drone. And trust me, every time, anywhere, under any condition, they will figure out a way that they felt violated.
For FPV pilots they don't even need this. 95% of the time they can see the FPV pilot who is in control of the drone because they will be nearby with a set of goggles on their face and a big radio controller in their hands. This includes LEOs.
You should get into the Propane business
@@staccatoglock did I miss a reference? What's up with propane?
The business Hank works at in King of the Hill is called Strickland Propane
Right, but 100% of the public's fear and frustration with the cops is the bad 2% of your group that is protected by the remaining 98% of the "good" cops.
I loved the DJI logo flash at 11:30 when Greg said Manufactures might say “I don’t care, I’ll just keep making drones. What are you going to do about it?” HILARIOUS.
Watched back at .25x speed to catch that hahaha
I caught that too, sublime 😁
The first rule of DJI Club is that you don't talk about DJI Club...
So glad it wasn't just me that caught it lol
Know what they can do about it? They can direct Customs & Border Protection to deny entry for shipments from noncompliant manufacturers, or possibly direct them to confiscate and destroy those shipments. It all depends on how (for lack of a better term coming to mind) anal-retentive the FAA wants to be about this.
There are a few thousand drone pilots around the country who know how to fly safely and stay out of trouble. Then there are a handful that like to do whatever the hell they want no matter how bad an idea it is, and it's that handful which is bringing the heavy end of the hammer down on the entire industry...and catching model-aircraft builders and flyers with collateral damage.
Greg, you provide the most passionate and updated information about this industry. Thank you for keeping us aware and up to date.
Here is how it is really going to work. Complaint received about a drone in an urban area. Police look for remote IDs in the area of the complaint. Find person with remote ID'ed drone and arrest them. Except the drone causing the problem was unregistered and flown by another person entirely.
That's definitely a fear.
What the wrong person get blamed for a shisty court decision? No way never lol
Record flights always I guess.
Thanks for your effort and information. I am licensed private pilot and built a a two place aircraft in my garage and started flying it 1991 and flew it for ten years. I had the FAA come and inspect it to obtain the airworthiness certificate. Mostly what they were concerned with was weight and balance calculations were done, if necessary placards were placed, and the plane was built with aircraft hardware. I had a non-certified engine. Instruments were VFR only, no transponder. At that time I could fly over most of Houston as long as I was below TCA ceilings and not be required to talk to a tower. My info was not being transmitted since I had no transponder. I am just an recreational pilot and amateur photographer who enjoys having a camera on a drone. I’m doing just scenic vistas and vacation type photography. I didn’t spend a thousand dollars on an amateur camera platform just to have the FAA trying to regulate every aspect of my safe, efficient, and considerate of others flights.
That flash of the DJI logo at 11:30 got me rolling!
Greg, as usual, a very informative video. It sounds like the FAA and the industry is really in a bind with no specifications yet released to the manufacturers. Really messes with the hobby.
Some great info shared. I hope FAA doesn’t give authorization to local law enforcement agencies, or even let local agencies become creative to look for ways to fine people. I look at this like speeding tickets and in NYC it’s out of control
The main thing they’ll want is to be able to get people re ‘operator ID’. Then trying for +250g flyer ID. Then maybe restricted zone flying.
If you’re flying a drone without the proper safety training, you’re not welcome in our community. Stay in your home or back yard. If you wish to join the LEGAL UAS COMMUNITY, welcome! Go to the FAA drone zone and get legal for $5. Follow up with some time on the sticks, get your Part 107. You’ll be a great addition to the community which has its share of ignorant scoff-laws.
Good presentation and info. You are asking the right questions. But the drone world won't end on 9/16/22. I did not work for the FAA but did work for the DOE and have seen a few of these "cliffs" approaching. In the end, delays will be implemented. For example, a moratorium on the 9/16/22 implementation will be granted, maybe for a year. And practical measures, like a "grandfather" clause for existing drones will be implemented. The FAA is likely pushing ahead to shock the industry into preparations to comply. They won't be forced to comply for who knows how long. These are guesses on my part, based on a career in the .gov.
Thanks for the update and insight!
Excellent video, very informative and clearly discussed, thank you!
Great info, As a newbie to learning about drones, I was getting ready to invest in a upgrade drone, but have changed my perspective on even owning a drone. With all the new regs, it becomes overwhelming. With everything else going on in the world, who needs more headaches especially if one fly’s a drone for recreational purposes. I am sure many others feel the same way. I believe your company is doing a valuable service to inform the population the draw backs of owning and flying a UAV. Thanks
Hate to say it but I dont blame you. Its a sad state at the moment.
I'm not new to drone flying, but I did just buy a Mavic Air 2 because I thought it was time for me to kinda "move up" from what I was flying. I had NO idea I was opening myself up to all kinds of headaches ! I haven't even flown my new drone yet and already, I'm not sure I even want to keep it.
I’m a newbie, too! Mini 3 pro. I’m really keen to fly it in urban areas to grab the skyline if y’all buildings, but also the old architecture of ‘listed’ buildings.
@@djwak59 fly it in a big Park? I’m in the UK and got a mini 3 pro. However, I did the UK flee exam. It’s just in case I get dinged for some stupid weight issue if I add a strobe.
They are sure messing up a rewarding hobby. Basically "drone" means the whole rc model aircraft hobby. A hobby that has been around for ages.amd has an excellent safety record without regulations and spy software/hardware. I plan to keep on enjoying the hobby as I have since I was a kid I buy and also build my aircraft. I have no plans to change the way I operate nor do I plan to quit. What is really sad.is.all this regulation garbage is discouraging a lot of.beginners. These regulations only punish law abiding people. People who would use a drone for bad purposed won't use remote.id nor follow any regulations.
In the FWIW department ... I overheard a person who is a member of the FAA DAC suggest there may be a delay of implementation owing to "supply chain issues."
I have an graduate degree in Public Administration (MPA) and have taught graduate level course work in an MPA program as well. I predict the RID roll-out and enforcement effort will become a classic study in failed overregulation. The policy was driven by fear and Karenism, not by data. Plus, enforcement will be up to the same agency that approved the 737 MAX to fly. What could possibly go wrong?!
…HOPE you’re RIGHT! This is a stinking mess…and not that it’s NOT TYPICAL or expected!
It's worse than that. The FAA let Boeing self safety certify their own aircraft....gee I wonder what could go wrong? It makes you ponder who is running the FAA? Barnum & Bailey?
GREAT update and painted a very realistic picture of where we are NOW;...just 2 months out. been keenly watching like you and Q's are the same; so are the answers- no one knows... 57 days and counting......
thank you guys for making this
Great analysis on this subject. I always appreciate it when you go into this detail; it helps all of us avoid hunting expeditions.
I can see "cracked/modded" software and modules becoming a thing, that scramble, or spoof, the remote station location.
Shit, some people may do it for safety reasons, do you really want a robber to know exactly where you are flying your $1000 DJI drone?
@@Razor-gx2dq yup. The FAA doesn't give a sh*t about drone pilot safety.
@@Razor-gx2dq lol 3 or 4 k for dji mavic 3 fly more or cine
Good info thanks for sharing-- so as of now still many issues to solve, look forward to next video
Lots of great information. Thank you for keeping us informed. My guess on enforcement is they're only going to 'GET' you if you're caught for something else.
Thank you for sharing! I’m part 107 and always committed to flying safely.
I fly for real estate filming. I also fly for photography purposes. I’m up and down in 10 to 15 minutes.
I’m never going to give people time to track me. I’ll be up, down, and the drone turned off.
There’s no way I’m going to allow someone to approach me. I know my intentions, I don’t know the intentions of people.
A lot of this stuff is like copy protecting music, you only hassle honest people who buy music (not steal it) and share to their own devices.
Just get a proper RID and you’ll fulfill your Part 107 requirements. Without RID you’ll be just another scoff-law instead of a pilot.
Excellent video. I am a Private pilot and operate 2 drones, Phantom 3 Std and a Mini 2, love them both. I have heard of only a couple incidents where a drone has interfered with aircraft. Those mylar party baloons cause way more problems for aircraft and you never hear of those cases. Perhaps the FAA (Government) who screws up everything they get involved with should require RID on those party baloons. The registration for UAVs is good as it identifies the owner if the UAV causes damage or injury as the owner can be held liable. Damage or injury by a UAV is very rare as the owner does not want his expensive UAV damaged or liable for damages. Did Congress pass this RID law???? or is this something the FAA dreamed up to give some of their employees something to do. Remember the FAAs moto "Were not happy till your not happy".
Great video. As an attorney, I like all the excellent questions that you raise. I have your concern for the small manufacturers and home builders who are Part 107 pilots.
Good to see you Greg! I just subscribed to your channel. Thank you for all you do! When you author your first book, I want one with your autograph! 😉🥰
Thank you for this - such an important conversation for drone enthusiasts to be having right now! I just added a Sony AirPeak S1 to our fleet and it's the first drone I've owned that has the capability to broadcast Remote ID built in from the manufacturer. It is currently disabled in firmware, but Sony has provided a place in the drone's control app to enter a Remote ID number for broadcast.. interesting to see!
It's already built into the Mini 3 Pro and if you install their latest firmware update you also enable RID and it CANNOT be turned off. If I had know this I would have never bought the damn thing.
Greg, The Remote ID rule is explicit. Recreational operators may move a Remote ID Broadcast Module from aircraft to aircraft. Part 107 pilots must have a dedicated Broadcast Module for each aircraft.
Excellent so informative. Answers must Q we all are concerned about. Thank you
Great video, Greg.
Greg - Thank you for reminding us about the remote id. My concern on the remote id is "Joe/Jane public having the apply to identify where I'm flying drone and then coming to harass me about flying my drone." Again - thank you for the reminder.
Me too, but I'm also wondering how many will know how to access the information. Obviously, we can't answer that question without a working system that meets the FAA's requirements.
Watch our PiXL drone show episode that's going live tomorrow with Kenji. Great discussion there about Remote ID and a possible solution to the pilot location issue!!!
@@Quickcat21MK non compliance is the way to go.
@@Quickcat21MK You're already effectively broadcasting your license plate number because there are no rules for law enforcement and how they use license plate readers. There are private companies who do contract LPR work with no rules on what they can do with your info including sell it to anyone and everyone.
Thanks for your channel and your dedication to this wonderful hobby. My opinion: Once RID is online and operating I see the FAA increasing the drone registration costs. The FAA is making my hobby less enjoyable and probably more expensive.
Hey FAA, how about requiring your little remote ID thing for commercial drones and pilots and leaving us recreational flyers alone to?
I would be interested to know how many incidents with drones have happened that remote ID would have kept from happening?
Someone is going to get killed by this remote ID. Picture this: you're out in the middle of the woods, far away from people flying you're $1000 drone, some criminal who wants to make a quick buck finds your RID and decides you're the perfect target. Well you can fill in the blanks as to what happens next.
Registration leads to confiscation.
Yup . At the rate the FAA is going, recreational drones and rc model aircraft will have high costs just as in regular human carrying aircraft. They are overdoing it. "Hey I see you have a nice drone there, GIVE ME 5 BUCKS TO FLY" . You are correct tho because they will have to recoup the costs of keeping record of all the remote ID information
It's like broadcasting to everyone to say hey I have an expensive drone, come steal it from me. The best part is that your drone registration can't be pulled up by just anyone. Only the FAA, and you. So it won't be trackable and they cab use your drone to break the law and you'll be held accountable.
Thank you as always to provide information. I'm looking forward to see what comes from it.
Man you really are helpful. I just wish I could comprehend your class so I can earn my Part 107, I just get so lost trying to understand everything.
Great info as always as everyone else has already said. I think I'll continue to fly as I see fit within reason (thts why I did Part 107 to begin with) and largely ignore this as will many others. The only way this will be mainstream, literally ever, is if this software is somehow built into flight controllers from the get go...which hilariously enough I'm sure will be able to be turned off in Betaflight or spoofed or etc. The FAA is stretched very thin, so as long as everyone keeps their heads down and doesn't fly recklessly (as should be the case anyway) I'm sure everyone will be just fine.
I've heard reports of the FAA going after non-Part 107 pilots posting on RUclips and threatening enforcement. However, they can do this part-time with one person, a computer and a phone. I have to wonder if there will actually be anyone who can go into the field to investigate RID violations. It will all fall entirely on the manufacturers to comply.
It's already built into the Mini 3 Pro and if you install their latest firmware update you also enable RID and it CANNOT be turned off. If I had know this I would have never bought the damn thing.
Sure will be a shame that all my add-on RID antennas don't work very well.
Yeah, such a shame they will all be broken
50 Ohm resister, soldering iron, wire cutters ... Perfect match, zero signal transmission.
I was kind of shocked that he didn’t discuss the Race Day Quads lawsuit and the implications it might bring. From listening to the case being presented live, It didn’t sound good for the FAA. This is still a very good update on the current situation of remote ID….y’all always do a great job.
We will do a separate video about it for several reasons: 1- it would have made the video much longer because we would have wanted to talk about the premise of the suit, and 2- nothing is finalized just yet so it's mostly conjuncture for now. I hope this makes sense.
@@PilotInstitute absolutely makes sense! I look forward to your thoughts and research on it! Y’all do a great job keeping us all informed!!
Thank you Greg for providing the important information on this topic.
Just a thought...
If we are going to add the weight of a remote ID module to a drone that already has add-on strobe lights, that may affect performance. I would like to see a manufacturer offer a combined RID/strobe add-on that shares an external battery to save weight.
Definitely a great idea, I’m sure some are working on that. With most sun-250g drones right around 247 without a strobe, it might not matter though.
@steve stern what happens when you strobe light goes out and your rid module is still working? are you forced to fly around with a dead strobe light on your drone everyday? what happens when you move your module to a drone that already has nice strobe lights on it (or you want green instead of red), are you forced to mount another lousy strobe light on your best drone that you won't even use? combining a strobe light and rid module is a bad idea, not going to pay for that.
Thanks Greg for explaning to us the state of what's going on with Remote ID! I have noticed there are options for Remote ID in the DJI controller app for my Mavic 3. I'm wondering if the Mavic 3 is already equipped with internal Remote ID and they just need to pull the trigger with a software / firmware update?
It's likely going to be done via software update for recent DJI models. What they have in the software right now is Remote Identification, which is slightly different than actual FAA remote ID.
@@PilotInstitute It's already built into the Mini 3 Pro and if you install their latest firmware update you also enable RID and it CANNOT be turned off. If I had know this I would have never bought the damn thing.
@@imagineengine DJI also has to comply with FAA regulation, which is what this update is.
Thank you for the reminder of this date. I hope the module is going to be a velcro type of connection. Lumecube did that so well when they came out with the lightweight strobe for the mavic mini series. My autel drone right now has one connection for an attachment, it is the evo 2 duel. Had never had a bad reaction yet because of my drone. I hope I never do but I fear now this might open pandoras box to all of that if any people with bad intentions know my location.
Great video !!
Question, what if you are flying a drone under 250 grams for hire under part 107? For example, lets say you have a DJI mini weighing 249 grams and you use it for areal photography. Will it need remote ID and will it still need to be registered?
Great question and unfortunately yes, even if it's under 250gs but you're flying under part 107 you will be required for RID :/
Excellent presentation and explanation about the new changes coming. My personal opinion is that there needs to be mass non-compliance when it's finally set in stone.
That's the only way to stop it, they can't arrest everyone
After spending the last 3 hours reading a majority of the sections in part 89, I'm glad I found this video! Such a pain having to browse through a 400+ page document 💔
Excellent information Greg considering just how complicated this Remote ID subject is. I’ve learned quite a bit.
Most accurate thumbnail ever. Thanks for keeping us informed.
I wonder if DJI will just send an update and reconfigure the onboard wifi to comply. That's definitely a kick in the nuts to the majority of new pilots.
I hope so just got a dji mini pro 3 this year and am doing Greg’s class to bet my cert. would be disappointed if I had to buy a module on a beautiful drone
@@nikolavonfulton5195 I just paid for the class myself, still worth every penny. Love the content and how it’s presented. I hope we all don’t have to go sub-drone. I fly in Chicago, many bad guys will be able to find me and drone-jack me, however like he just said we are far from that point now so enjoy it all you can now.
The Mini 3 and Mavic 3 both have new serial numbers which would indicate possible retrofit via software. I don't think older models have a SN that qualifies.
Greg crazy that it’s getting close and no one knows what’s going on lol 😂 Great video
Great video! Now when someone asks what is remote ID I will just send them this link
The best recourse was actually just laid out by SCOTUS when they issued a ruling against the EPA for exceeding their regulatory authority. In the case of RemoteID, I believe the FAA has grossly exceeded their regulatory authority as authorized by Congress. It will take a court case to get the RID regulation tossed, but I think it’s the best path. The FAA, like most government 3-letter agencies, is far exceeding what their agency is supposed to be doing.
I completely agree and I've been saying the same thing. My thoughts: Instead of punishing everyone with a drone/aircraft and the manufacturers with additional costs projecting our info across the airwaves for who ever to monitor, how about punishing those who actually break the law when they break the law (or the FAA rules and regs).
..great point.
Well if anything publicly broadcasting my position while operating expensive drones is the perfect justification I need for a CCW application.
That's my solution as well.
Go and get it.
Thanks for this Greg. SNAFU. No surprise.
I'm glad I'm not the only one questioning this.
Non-compliance especially in the self built drone community such as FPV will be rampant.
I’m not even sure how the FAA can address this, because they won’t yet reconsider the very first rule tons of FPV pilots break constantly: flying without a spotter.
When you are made to feel like a criminal for flying FPV with goggles on in an open field in class G airspace, below or just above the treetops where there is virtually ZERO risk of aircraft to see and avoid, how can one be expected to have respect for RID?
Rules need to be sensible or they simply won’t be followed. I do suspect unfortunately a few will be burned at the stake over this when an incident occurs.
This is a good reason to register all of your hobby and home built drones before the deadline. Then you can later prove that it was made earlier. It is a really stupid regulation as we all know any terrorist using a drone is not going to comply. And if paramotors and other home built craft without adbs requirements have avoided bringing down planes for all the years they have been around, surely drones can too,
Loved the DJI flash at 11:30
This remote ID is clear as mud from an FAA strategic plan of execution. LOL! But thanks for the info, Greg. It does help explain the use of remote-id in general. It will be interesting to see how this pans out in September 2022 and 2023. At least we have over another year to fly without confusion?🤔
It's the government, no surprise here
It makes me want to either just through my hands up at one of my favorite hobbies and be done with it (which I think is what the FAA hopes a lot of people will do) or just be non compliant, which isn't the type of person I am. I understand the purpose of RID, but there is so much of it that just doesn't make sense. Personal safety being one of them. I just don't like the idea of someone who doesn't like drones being able to find me while in the midst of a legal flight and try to interrupt it to try and tell me their opinion of how they think I'm not flying legal or that they think I'm spying on them or whatever reasoning they may have to cause a safety issue while someone is flying. Maybe I'm thinking too much into it, but man it doesn't seem that way. I just want to be able to enjoy my hobby without disturbing anyone or being disturbed while making sure that I am flying legally.
Pilots are getting harmed even WITHOUT remote-ID.
Recreational pilots should have it pretty easy. Module is all that’s required. The real problem is going to be for professional FPV pilots that build their own or are flying and old drone that is not in compliance.
My opinion is that they are trying to prevent drone services operating behind the photography industry. If there is a demand somebody will build compliant drones and compliant FPV drones, but the price will probably be high.
@@Nine_883 as will probably be the module. That’s third on my list of issues with all this, budget, lol
Drone prison camp☹️
@@danman32 Exactly what pilots are you talking about? How are they getting harmed?
9:38 - ridiculous.... In other words I wont be able to design, test, or fly my own drones without remote ID. It appears the FAA is doing everything in it's power to give the skys above to large corporations unless we pay to fly also... For some of us 'small' guys, that's almost impossible...😡😥
And this is why I don't like big government, the are killing the competition and leaving big companies with monopolies over the drone market makes me seethe
Big companies that also enforce "geofencing" in their flight control software. So the tyrants can exclude our private eyes in the sky from sensitive locations and events.
Not surprised this is still a giant cluster. Good summary.
Good video but too many I don't know. Lololol Not buying any new drones but thanks for all the heads up. I'll keep flying for fun and worry about it next year !!
Couple thoughts. 1) With ADS-B did the FAA provide specifications for the tech to meet the requirements for that spec? Curious if the FAA will provide to manufacturers the specification standards for RID compliance. Have not seen any info from the FAA on that. They need to get their stuff together. 2) Additionally, I have not seen ANYONE manufacturing RID fobs. The FAA needs to clarify their rhetoric on this further. 3) The FPV community are not just recreational flyers folks. There are some incredible cinematic content coming from some amazing pilots like Jaybyrd and others. There are so many prebuilt, homebuilt fpv drones where adding a fob that weighs as much as the drone itself is just not feasible. For some FPV pilots the difference of a few grams makes a big difference in performance of the aircraft.
I've said the same thing from the beginning about setting a technical standard. I was poo pood about that. "It's not up to the FAA to define the how" so illogical.
@@danman32 Agreed. I'm becoming less interested in the remote ID thing. I'm thinking about going about my FPV business as usual. I never see anyone when I fly anyway.
Thank you for this update. I’m curious as to how a Wi-Fi remote id module will be made to NOT interfere with Wi-Fi control of the drone it is attached to. The proximity of the module will overwhelm signals form a control station hundreds of feet away. And if the answer us to use a different band in the spectrum then not everyone would be able to see the remote id telemetry. And that would not be a bad thing.
There are up to 14 channels within the 2.4GHz range, so the RID could use one of these channels without causing interference to the other channels. As an example, the wifi on my phone using the Fly app continues to communicate with my router even though I'm flying the MA2. Ref. - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels
@@mark_barrentine "There are up to 14 channels within the 2.4GHz range"
But only 3 channels are non-interfering (do not overlap), channels 1, 6 and 11.
Actually if you want to avoid overlap interference, there are only 3 effective channels: 1, 6 and 11.
Besides, my RC for the MM3 turns off wifi during flight for that very reason, and it isn't using enhanced wifi like the previous minis did.
@@mark_barrentine I respectfully disagree. I am aware of the channels and the difficulty of using Wi-Fi in an apartment setting plus I am not aware of drones allowing you to select a channel. DJI allows selection of 2.4 and 5 GHz but not channels within the range. That is my reasoning. It would benefit all drone pilots if the general public were unable to access remote ID telemetry however it is done.
@@CV-qy5qi this was a point brought up in the case against the FAA. Especially relating to FPV drones.
How will this impact fpv drones? I'm understanding it as weight based. So the under 250 drones will be fine.
Thanks greg!
Theoretically if you have a non Remote ID drone, the FAA wouldn't be able to track you to bust you for non compliance. So stock up on old drones and stay free!
Unless your drone is over 250g in which it already needs to be registered so technically yea they can see that you have a non remote ID drone
Time to break out my.old.planes and helicopters.from.the 1970s and 80s.
arduino-based drones
@@gilbertpc805 over 90% of existing >250g drones already aren't registered
The only real question for me is if it’s going to be a drone pilot OR his family suing the FAA WHEN the first person gets attacked using remote id, it’s not a question of if, just when. At the very least I’d have liked to see the signal encrypted so only LEO’s can get info.
Agreed.
Look up “sovereign immunity” before you get excited about someone filing a lawsuit against the FAA for a tort committed by a private citizen.
They better not try it in KS. Always strapped... ALWAYS! 😂
@@stevensteele45 so I can tell you feel invincible carrying. If you are outnumber, or attacked from behind your gun does no good. The kind of people that would attack a drone pilot are not the type of people to confront you directly from the front. I cc and I still know it’s limitations and how to respond in different instances.
@@crossbowsniper multiple attackers, id just give up my drone and hope that they don't kill me, the gun is the equalizer but only when there is one maybe 2 attackers after that you're fucked.
Thank you
Curious, has the format of the WI-FI/Bluetooth remote id data stream format been made available? I'd assume we would start seeing smartphone apps popping to track us as we fly .
Not that I know of. But yes, a simple app on a phone would do it to pick up the signal and information.
Is it entirely possible that DJI Drones , such as the Mini 3 Pro, already has this that can be simply activated with an update. They produced the drone well after the Remote ID was announced and maybe why they are not in a hurry to do anything is because they will smash the market share.
I've heard rumors that firmware will be the solution, but it's only been rumor.
@master how does dji know if they comply if there are no published MOC rules?
@@kensteele3363 Well, they know the content that is proposed to be transmitted, they know they have WIFI capability, so simply knowing they can actually transmit or are capable of such a transmission would be a good start. Being able to transmit data is the hard part, the packets that get transmitted via a WIFI protocol are the easy part in my opinion.
@@benjimw dji has it posted on their website that for most of their drones that they still support, you will just have to download an update. I have an air 2 and mini, so I hope those aren't too old to be able to just update. If they are, I guess I'll just fly illegally. I also have the dji fpv. For my FPV drones, I am not complying. What's the point? I never go over 100', there is nothing up there, I fly close to things. I also never fly around other people, so nobody will know I'm flying.
Putting on the conspiracy theory hat for a moment: The final specifications haven't been published. But what if the FAA has been working with certain major manufacturers behind the scenes to finalize and test the spec?
Being a Mavic II Pro owner myself, I found your comments on it VERY interesting. At the moment, I am only flying it recreationally, although I am considering going for my Part 107. I've also been an RC fixed-wing pilot since the early 1990's; originally used to fly entirely at AMA club fields. (I still maintain my AMA membership, as well as membership at an AMA club field, although I go there relatively seldom), Most of my fixed-wing RC flying for the last few years have been e-Flite UMX models in the sub-250 gram category, often at local parks (the RC field is a 1/2 hour drive away).
As you said in the title, sounds like it's going to be a "Shit-$how"; a lot of the FAA's enforcement efforts (other than in some of the more blatant & serious drone airspace violations) remind me of the FCC's "attempted" enforcement attempts on illegal CB radio operations during the heyday of the "10-4, Good Buddy" CB craze.
Good morning Greg and fellow flyers
Have a great day captain!!
Where I live in Japan, since June 2022 Remote ID is required! It was a real mess, and still is! Luckily new DJi drones have the feature in the drone, so you don’t have to use ugly external device. Home made aircrafts were especially screwed here!
The one question I was hoping you would answer was; what was the problem the FAA was trying to solve with this FAR?
No problem at all. They are solving a.problem that doesn't exist.
they are creating problems
As others have indicated, bad actors who can locate you may do more than complain about your drone. Hopefully it will not take loss of life before the FAA realizes this feature needs to be modified so not everyone knows your location while flying.
Sadly I’m afraid loss of life is exactly what it will take. Hope I’m wrong.
Or someone gets attacked because the FAA thinks it's a good idea to broadcast controller locations and then the FAA gets sued. Maybe then they will think it's not a good idea.
@@PilotInstitute its only a matter of time unfortunately, criminals are likely salivating at the thought of robbing some person flying their drone in a secluded area or doing worse.
Oh I like your Art work for this video
Do you know if the modules will allow the FAA to control the drone such as shutting down the drone? Or can they just see the telemetry?
Nope, the FAA will not have control of drones with this tech.
I have DJI drones, and I had assumed they would build it into their systems and could activate it with an update, but I'm not so sure. It makes me nervous that random people could see my location and harass pilots. It has the potential to be very dangerous.
Conceal carry 🤷🏻♂️
@@Visuallyben definitely will start flying strapped now.
I have a Phantom 4v2 pro and a mavic air 2 which i bought in the last two years... I contacted DJI and really got no answer to that very question. So if you follow the new FAA rules I have 3 grand worth of drones that I may not be able to fly legally. Guess what FAA ... catch me if you can.. they don't have the man power to enforce the new regulations.
It's already built into the Mini 3 Pro and if you install their latest firmware update you also enable RID and it CANNOT be turned off. If I had know this I would have never bought the damn thing.
@@imagineengine I fly the Air 2S and it's already active on it. I don't know how many people in the general public know they can track drones and are looking for them, but I anticipate there will be at least a few incidents.
This is going to hurt everyone related to drones. I’ve heard it was originally a way for lobbyist to remove us recreational and Part 107 to make way for drones delivery like Amazon. Anyone including someone with bad intentions will be able to see what house gets their package on what day. Don’t think pro drone delivery people will like this either.
Nice work Greg! ;-) T
my idea to homebuild drones would be a small module that is connected between remote receiver and flightcontroller ... no rid active> no takeoff (but needs a solution to be also usable inside buildings)
Thanks for the update Greg.
Wouldn't placing a module add to the overall weight of the Mini's thus surpassing the 250g?
Yes, but since sub 250g drones don't require remote ID, it doesn't matter.
@@PilotInstitute But if I'm not mistaken it's the drone AND any accessaries attached that make up the weight at take-off, so a sub 250g drone with propellers guards attached is now more than 250g and will need to be registered to fly.
But in this case, the drone with the module would weigh over the limit, making it necessary to register wouldn't it??
I think most all drones by DJI and Autel (and others) are capable of RID. They all use WiFi for their control/video transmission, they just call it something else. All they need to do is issue a software/firmware update and they'll be compliant. I think, for the most part, it will be a non-event. I very much dislike the regulation though.
….EXACTLY. It will be so streamlined the ‘owner’ will/may have NO say in the matter. Just a typical update could do it..SADLY.
@@m118lr It's already built into the Mini 3 Pro and if you install their latest firmware update you also enable RID and it CANNOT be turned off. If I had know this I would have never bought the damn thing.
That DJI flash, hahahaha. "What are you gonna do about it?"
I like the explanation of wi/fi as an example with remote ID. Keep up the good information. BUT I'm still unclear with the discissions, results, outcome of who is issuing/ regulating violations. Just waiting for September 16th. Mabey this will "encourage" manufacture to become compliant(?)
I'm going to honest I bought all my Drones and I'll fly all my Drones with or without remote ID.. the chances of ever seeing An FAA agent is slim to none.
And local law enforcement probably won't bother you especially if you're flying safely and on you're own land
@@Razor-gx2dq Exactly and I have extremely cool neighbors . Where I'm at I have no need to travel to get beautiful footage. The view from my front or back deck is beautiful for miles around.
I wonder if the FAA has considered the international visitor. I’m certainly not going to fork out $$$ to fit remote ID to my drone for a holiday to the USA. Good luck with the FAA coming after an international visitor, if they are no longer in the USA.
Unfortunately, the FAA isn’t as concerned about ensuring fair access as it is baking liability into the industry. A necessary evil.
It appears most countries are going towards a Remote ID tech of sorts so my guess is that module manufacturers will make this tech available for several countries in their drone.
@@PilotInstitute looks like we are lucky here in Australia 🇦🇺, there isn’t any talk about remote id, only have to register sub 250 if you are going to do commercial work with it. We can do commercial work in the excluded sub 2kg category without RePL (Part 107) but we can only fly at night if you have RePL working under a REOC with a waiver and night time training. CASA (Australian FAA, thinks that drones are not nocturnal)
The "DJI" one frame blur during the section where someone may refuse to acknowledge RID while producing drones made me chuckle XD
Question having a remote ID module. On the drone will that possibly mess with signal from the drone to the controller. Because if I understood right i was told on my old drone that one reason I wasnt getting even half of the full signal distance from drone to my controll could possibly be because of other signal interruptions?????????
No it really shouldn't be an issue.
The police in my city are not allowed to pull people over for minor infractions. I doubt they would bother people playing with toys. Who will the FAA get to enforce their laws?
you have deputies from the county and troopers from the state police if your city law enforcement is hamstrung. in most places, there is plenty of willing local law enforcement for the federal agencies to draw from.
All the paranoid people out there will be teaching and calling stuff in. I’ve been hit, had a gun pulled on, and my bag stolen while flying and that was with a 3 man crew.
@@Shauny_D What area did this happen in? state and city....
@@krisiluttinen Indianapolis
While I understand the idea and why the FAA thinks this is a good idea- there has to be a fine line having to do with privacy I also think they're crossing.
And this is exactly why you'll see a lot of people not complying with this.
Read the brief to the lawsuit against the FAA
Why does the FAA think this is a good idea?!? This country is not the land of the free that’s bottom line. Time to move.
@@penultimatename6677 that was shot down in court last week
@@Razor-gx2dq I am aware of the result. There can be a stronger case in the future. Time will tell.
So does the pilot need to make sure the RID is working? What if the range on the RID is say maybe just a few feet? Nobody will be picking it up at that point. Seems like there are going to be a ton of ways to get around having a working unit on your drone as long as you don't use like a DJI drone
and plenty of people (tens of millions) already weren't complying with registration, and there is no way to enforce this new remote ID law, unless caught doing something wrong with a drone and they find out you weren't in compliance.
Yeah, this is yet another reason I'm interested in the Mini 3 Pro over the Air 2S. I'm picking a heck of a time to work on starting a side hustle.
If your a fan of RID, the M3P is the drone for you. Just know, once you do the latest update there is no going back. You will have yourself a router in the sky.
The broadcast should be encrypted and require a special device to receive it. Only LLE and the feds should have access to this device. While I’m sure people would be able to get their hands on one, it’d be better than anyone with a phone downloading an app and seeing where you’re standing.
I don't even like the idea to begin with
Big brother Bureaucracy out of control. Getting to the point where you have to question whether the hobby is worth all the red tape.
Unfortunately, liabilities tend to make things more expensive, so, one’s got to really love the hobby to participate. But if someone in my family is hurt or worse, by a hobbyist or professional of any kind, I’d want a means to justice. That’s what this is, establishing the regulations that will be used in court to award damages.
Same for the firearms hobby.
Interesting but the SidePilot software and mavlink, does transmit RID and the info. And has a 90 deg egress with aircraft entering your airspace.
thanks
So makes me wonder since Part 107 is covered under the FAA, what happens when pilots in the US start carrying a firearm for self defense just to do a job? Seems like a nightmare of a time making rules to rule the original rules that don't rule right to begin with 🤦♂️
Yeah if anyone can see this unencrypted information you'll have to carry, even then I think you need at least one other person to be with you while flying your drone, hard to defend yourself if you have both hands on the sticks.
@@Razor-gx2dq have a hover/orbit mode to free your hands.
Seems to me that the fact that nobody seems to be talking about it or doing much on it means it's not being taken very seriously which means strength in numbers. And who on the ground is actually going to be monitoring and enforcing this to make sure you're complying? Certainly not your average police officer. And one final comment on your video splash image. You're lowering your standards, Greg.
Thanks, Greg. Very informative. Not a lot out there on this subject.
They just want to stop drones completely. Remote ID or RID. It's in the name.
Just like they want to get rid of all of us too 😂 we’ll said