"In the wrong hands, it could be considered an invasion of privacy." Pretty good reason to make sure that the government and law enforcement should never be allowed within 13,000 miles of it.
Government buys the tracking devices directly from DJI called Aeroscope. Government has access and will over time track you more and more. Thats DJI business model. Sell the dumb consumer expensive drones that send gps data of drone, remote comtroller and serial number of the drone up to 50km distance and sell government for millions of dollar tracking devices... Then government can even years later come after you if you made a mistake while flying, because every dji drone must be activitated witch your dji account so they map serial number of the drone to your account and government can request your personal imformation that way. The only solution is: do not buy dji. I sold my air 2s and got an autel nano plus. Best decision i could have made.
Yea,... OH TRUST ME GUYS.... The ones who enforced a mandate , not for a vaccine but to take a shot because there is a difference and the guys who've spread our military thin setting up hundreds of bases outside our own country and occupying many places on the exact opposite side of the world .. US... THIS COUNTRYS GOVERNMENT AND LAE ENFORCEMENT... REMEMBER GUYS ... THEY KNOW BEST.. THEY ARRRRREE THE GOOD GUYS... REMEMBER? MEMBER GUY? YEH? NO? YOU DONT? WELL KNEEEEEEEL AND REMEMBER.. KNEEEEEEEL (SKELETORS VOICE FROM THE ORIGINAL HEMAN MOVIE)... I SAID KNEEEEEEEL!
@@AndersJackson you.. your the weirdo sticking up for the government ESSSSSSSPECIALLY AFTER SHOT MANDATES.. NOT VACCINE BUT SHOT MANDATES.. I've got less than zero respect for you. Period
The people being detected by these drones should be notified they are being tracked, and should be able to request all info the Aerial Armor has on their drone's serial number, similar to the way you can request a user profile report from Facebook with all the data they have on your profile, or from a police record. Keeping data on people when they don't have access to it seems morally wrong, and should be illegal in my opinion.
It is morally wrong to spy on other people who pose no realistic threat to you. That is why you should not feel bad about avoiding or even hiding from surveillance. The government stepped over the line many years ago and those who still consider them a benefactor and protector is a fool. We could indeed make such surveillance illegal but we'd have to remove the criminals from power first.
so how on earth are they tracking this data with no internet involved? my drone is used on a old phone with no internet, id be really interested how this could possibly work to track anything. (bought drone on craigslist and never registered but looking at buying a smaller one that doesnt require registration like the air 2 or something)
The products from DJI communicate with China through your WiFi and mobile connection. Even though you are not connected to the internet, the drone is still transmitting this data. As DJI has paved the way for such unacceptable surveillance, other drone manufacturers will be forced to comply if they want to sell their products in the US. This system will soon be global. If you value your privacy and still want to fly drones, learn how to build quads yourself. Before the end of this year 2023, I am releasing my own DIY kit drone that you can 3d print and assemble yourself. Extremely simple, upgradable and modular. It is not a quad however, it's better and cheaper, but still consumer grade quality ;) I am currently in the final stages of development. In this design I will not be trying to comply with regulations as I am not going to be producing and selling them. The design files will have a very low price point as I am interested in wide distribution. I am not in this for the money, but because of principle.@@smallbox679
You obviously don't know what you are talking about. This is only relevant to DJI drones. Tracking a standard RC control signal or video transmission requires triangulation and has to be done by qualified personnel, not some simple minded cop. It is not feasible in practice. That is why they want to legislate tracking devices on drones.@@BabyKnxckz
"For safety" or not this is a blatant 4th ammendment violation. And sending most law enforcement to "educate" is worthless. Majority of cops have 0 idea about FAA laws and jurisdiction, much less what a part 107 operator would know over them.
Being a drone pilot for a little over 2 years now, I can see how one would think this might be helping the hobby. It's most definitely going to help kill it. PLEASE don't make this software available to law enforcement/government! Give them copies of your collected data if an offense has been committed/law broken but, DO NOT give them access to using the software!
@@fpvtea he probably has his 107 and now thinks he's a pilot. I agree all of these GPS aerial platform UAV'S folks are really only an operator certainly not a pilot.
@@fpvtea I only used pilot in this particular instance, due to its commonplace use within the drone enthusiast community. As far as real pilot experience, I've only taken a handful of lessons.
@@Freebird_67 I only used pilot in this particular instance, due to its commonplace use within the drone enthusiast community. As far as real pilot experience, I've only taken a handful of lessons.
These guys are funny, they're trying to insult another remote pilot because they think they're something special lol. It's like the mean girls that pick on the other girls and don't realize what a-holes they're being SMH. The term is remote pilot. Sorry if you don't like it but that's what it is.
I think this is an infringement on you’re right to privacy especially if it’s on your own property. It’s effectively monitoring information third parties aren’t suppose to be able to record
Imagine officers kill a suspect in cold blood or the unlawfully used excessive force, or maybe suppressing a protest like Cop City in Atlanta where the cops killed a peaceful protester, and they wanted to cover it up!!! This company can go to hell!!! Now that it's been a year now, I guarantee that they can download all information, including video/pictures and sound, and now all your personal information is all tracked with the serial numbers (who the drone owner is, address, phone number, etc. Also I guarantee that if not now, in the future, this will be another abuse of law/order and government, to make money and issue tickets automatically through this data, just like the surveillance stop light cameras!!!
"our intent is not to get people arrested or have security go out".... But we have a direct line with the authorities so those fuckers can bum rush you.
Interesting, point, Arial Armor does not need a warrant to collect the Data, because they are not the Government. Also, Arial Armor can give this information to the Government without a warrant. If the Government were to collect this Data on their own, they would need a warrant.
This should be illegal for use expect in controlled air space only. The history part of the tracking should be illegal if it show flights in uncontrolled air space. Its no different than law enforcement tracking cars to watch for infractions while people are exercising the right to free movement on public highways. Its fine for controlled air space but it should be illegal to track flights in uncontrolled air space.
Remember that even in uncontrolled air space regulations still exist, like not exceeding 400ft AGL. So yes you can absolutely break the law outside of control air space.
I agree. Corporations are buying these for their buildings in downtown areas. Shooting down drones with these net shotgun shells is illegal. If I’m flying in a downtown area and I get near another building and my down get’s interfered with by jamming or other ways I’m going to sue like their’s no tomorrow.
There is nothing illegal about it. Anyone dumb enough to think their publicly broadcasted transmission data from their drone with 0 encryption isnt allowed to be looked at by anyone with a receiver is ignorant of the law. Its no different than listening to open broadcasts on a walkie talkie. If you dont want to be tracked or identified, then build your own equipment setup with encryption. It is a joke how much big brand addicted drone buyers cry about these issues when they dont even respect RC hobbies enough to build their own crafts. Its like a Windows or Mac user crying about a virus, when they could have controlled their computing environment properly with linux for free.
@@urineanimal no shit there man, only time you need windows is in a virtual machine for certain things. And as far as drones go Analog isn’t going to be tracked they or just going after the DJI drones that were designed to spy on the owner/operator. Anyone who thinks a DJI drone is anything But a toy or unless you have a cinematic business use.
As a commercial full scale pilot, 14+ year and counting Fpv hobbyist and more recent commercial Alta X operator I can only see a long list of cons vs the pros with this software. I had my doubts about DJI and their flight data collection but now seeing this I will definitely no longer be supporting any DJI projects and most likely will be returning to much more simple flight controllers that do not transmit or store any flight data. All flying I do is perfectly legal and within regulations but the thought of having big brother keeping an eye on all flight data along with the possibility of having control being taken over by a remote entity definitely gives me a lot of concern with personal safety and privacy. Very sad to see where the hobby/industry has come over the years with such great advances in technology that are advancing and ruining it at the same time.
As a commercial pilot, would you feel comfortable with drones flying close to airports with no way of identifying the pilots? How about prisons and military sites?
@@Fraet In cases of airports and Prisons there has already been steps put in place like geo fencing to stop flights from being conducted within these areas. Obviously there are many ways around it but if we are talking those routes then im sure similar steps are put in place to make systems like this redundant, all this is preying on for the most part is the people conducting flights within the safety allowances of the drone.
@@Fraet Given you are apparently spruiking for restricted breathing apparatus as well, I hope you aren't taking any passengers or flying over populated areas after taking the Fauci-Ouchy.
That anxiety lessens once you get a little experience. It's just another thing. It's overbearing at times, well all the time, but it's not unbearable. There are places where you really can fly with no problems. This is for people wanting to fly too close to sensitive areas. You minding your own business over there taking videos of a river? They aren't gonna mess with you.
This is scary stuff... imagine if this level of surveillance was involved with cars, people wouldn't put up with it and the drone community shouldn't put up with this surveillance either. I understand that there are bad drone pilots, but this isn't going to stop those people with ill intent.
License plate readers have been around a while and getting increasingly popular. Given the level of tyranny they’ve allowed to get comfortable with these last few years I can definitely see a vehicle tracking device being mandated. Why not? They basically did it with airplanes, ADSB.
@@MoonRambo702 Semi trucks have tracking technology. The owners of the trucks have access to that data, the authorities have to serve a warrant to see that data. License plate readers are in public space. I see your point on saying that this will end up on cars. They will use the technology to shut a car down in a police chase, same technology will get an investigative reporter suicided that just got pictures of an official doing wrong.
These drone detection systems are built to detect 2.4 and 5.8Ghz RC signals. Even though 300Mhz is considered outdated for consumer drones it's still a better solution for privacy against systems like these. It doesn't leave a digital footprint like DJI drones either.
Dont buy DJI products. Make your own UAV. DJI stole all their tech from the open source projects that are still going strong. Use one of those solutions.
I'm flying all 8 of mine full speed into a concrete wall and posting the videos just for laughs. Or maybe I could donate them to the Ukrainian army? I bet they'd put them to good use!
@@Aircraft_Fabricator you could have GPS on your DIY drone. They cant use it. This system only works for DJI and probably some other mainstream drones that send their location in manner that the software understands. I you build your own drone and use some crypted communication it is not very easy to track you. So this is BS. Terrorists and criminals have the resources to build a own system.
DJI Aeroscope is the main reason I switched to Autel... this is not used to "educate" hobbyst, this is used to "hunt" and fine hobbyst, photogaphers and videographers even if they are not endangering anyone or anything.
@@TaaviJuursalu DJI is the only manufacturer that sells it's codification. All drones can be detected with bird radars, RF scanners, visual/sound radars, etc but there's nothing like Aeroscope for other brands.
@@huginnkenningard are you sure? Maybe it is not public information. Every drone that sends it GPS coordinates can be read if you know the protocol and the encryption keys.A lot of other drone manufactures are using DJIs protocol.
@@TaaviJuursalu Yep, Aeroscope only works with DJI drones, that's for sure (and maybe on DJI FPV transmission system, idk). EID will be mandatory at some point so we must wait and see how the different manufacturers will implement it. Aeroscope is the approach that DJI made to eID but you don't have any control over it.
Thanks Greg for providing this informative video. I've always had a problem with companies who would sell their technology to the gooberment and not citizens. We're not talking about missiles, this is essentially, a fancy radio receiver. It would take 2 seconds to attach a name to each drone and one wouldn't even need a warrant. Just find where this person flies the most (their back yard), look up the address on the county's gis tax map and you got their name and everything about them. Pretty sick that some people think it's a good idea to keep a database of everywhere I decide to fly a toy. This should be illegal.
I'm actually all for this type of software. Unfortunately there are so many people doing dumb sh*t there needs to be some way to monitor and stop them. It might just be a flying toy, but it's also a flying brick and it's only a matter of time before a drone causes a serious accident IMO. Also, we all agree that air space is public right? That's why we can fly a drone over property that isn't ours. IMO we can't argue that air space should be public AND also demand privacy when operating in that air space.
@@dustingaddis2423 Demand privacy in public spaces? If its in public then its public if its private in your house behind closed doors then its private. You can't do something in public and expect it to be private.
@Memer Dreamer I sense a current or future grumpy old man who constantly worries about the government even though the government probably doesn’t give a shit about him.
@@vintageexcellence or a "grumpy old man" whose been around long enough to know that he doesn't want his children or his grandchildren to live in a world where big Gubmint controls every aspect of their existence, long before they have a chance to decide if that would be right for them. Your argument is null and void.
@Memer Dreamer I use mine for work. Doesn't bother me. When I see people landing in populated stadiums, I have to worry about new laws that make my job much harder.
I've followed the remote ID discussion for some time now. While the final draft from the FAA isn't as bad as it could have been (at least drones don't have to always be interconnected), these guys from Aerial Armor have already built the dystopian tracking and logging network that we feared. Not that anyone should do something illegal--I get that, but essentially now every drone pilot has a "file" and with a click, this company can bring up a log of every flight, with all telemetry, for years. Imagine a system like this for cars: every car has a transmitter that sends out its license plate number / VIN number, GPS coordinates, current speed, etc. Then governments / companies build a network of receivers so that, with a click, the police could pull up a log of every place I've visited, dates and times, how fast I drove, whether I made an illegal left turn, ran a red light etc. Anyway I realize it has its purpose but it seems like too many steps down the wrong road to surveillance and government overreach.
They already have that, your cell phone. Be it Apple or Google thd maps record every where you. I discovered google has a record of everywhere I drive and I can see it through my google maps history. It even draws lines on the map keeps time of day too. When I doordash I used it to prove I made deliveries I was accused of not making
It is interesting that, at no point, was this technology described as being able to separate good actors from bad, other than ear-marking a signal for future reference. Herein lies the issue; lawful pilots should not be tracked *at all. Period.* As a pilot, I understand where good and bad places to fly are, as well as the FAA regulations I have to abide by, but I do not expect security/police to know the law. This technology leaves pilots open to harassment, since police officers can simply write you an unlawful ticket, and pin the cost of fighting the ticket *on you.* I certainly see the upside to this technology, but it has the same downside as drones - bad actors. Also, the whole idea of this system covering an entire city or county does not makes sense outside of areas with a standing TFR. We've seen cities and municipalities go after drones in an incredibly illegal way, and this would only aid them, thereby pinning the costs on the only people they do not care about - average, law-abiding citizens. This system is brilliant for large sporting events and festivals, to ensure crowds of people are not at risk, but other than that seems to tread into a 4th Amendment grey area at the very least. All the best to the people at Aerial Armor, but I heavily disagree with many of the use cases for this system.
This is a bit like using a police scanner. Radio transmissions are fair game for anyone to receive. If there is unencrypted data within that transmission, the receiver can do with it what they may.
@@prazad001 no man we should not tracked for flying below the radar in legal areas its not for bad actors its to watch our every move and i am a law abiding pilot but fuck this
With this level of surveillance, best to ban all drones. Inspecting the gutters of my own home resulting in enthusiastic SWAT team smashing down my door in the middle of the night and shooting my dog, this system is open to huge amount of abuse.
Imagine officers kill a suspect in cold blood or the unlawfully used excessive force, or maybe suppressing a protest like Cop City in Atlanta where the cops killed a peaceful protester, and they wanted to cover it up!!! This company can go to hell!!! Now that it's been a year now, I guarantee that they can download all information, including video/pictures and sound, and now all your personal information is all tracked with the serial numbers (who the drone owner is, address, phone number, etc. Also I guarantee that if not now, in the future, this will be another abuse of law/order and government, to make money and issue tickets automatically through this data, just like the surveillance stop light cameras!!!
@@lamarw7757 I did leave some things out!!! More body can footage came out with the cops discussing and questioning that they shot their own and autopsy report said that the protester was sitting in a meditation position when shot and his hands had no gun powder residue on them!!!
Sorry mate , the real problem are those morons who fly their drones close to airports and private properties. I fly DJI drones and fixed wings model airplanes but I fly from a sanctioned flying field . There is a safety issue and there are many irresponsible Drone flyers that they think they can fly anywhere they like. That's what brought this up because of some few imbeciles. This issue is not new. I've been flying drones for the past six years, I do not fly in public parks or over private buildings. Drones are not toys. My Drones are registered with Transport Canada for a small fee. A Numbered Certificate with info of what kind of Drone and Sr.# is issued . Drone ID to be on the Drone in case it is lost or crashes. The first step in operating a Drone is to have it Registered, that first step only allows you to fly by visual, an altitude and a distance restricted. Just like when flying a Model Airplane, keeping the model in sight at all times. Next Step For advanced Drone flying there are test questions plus.
This seems heavy handed. I mean, you don’t have remote ID on your car. How often are drones a serious problem. There’s is no way this “issue” justifies these actions. How long till they start taking your video feed. They have killed the drone hobby for me.
Exactly! People are just giving away their freedoms for the safety of all. It's a manufactured argument. Why does the authorities have to get a warrant for you to unlock your phone, which just failed in the Supreme Court. There has been a call to make regular cameras connect to a server. You know where this will go, no one will be able to take a picture in private and those photos will be used against you.
@@indykurt Get into building your own FPV drones. I almost ditched the hobby myself, until I started building and understanding. My drones have ZERO impact on this software. And I can fly anywhere without the drone trying to restrict me. More flight skills are required for this, but its totally worth it. Rogue for life!
@@jimig399 Ok,,, I wasn't trying to hang out with,,, who are you again? The FCC is basically condemning old drones and over regulating in ways that I personally don't believe they should have the power to do. If you are for this, then so be it, offer your arguments and then it can be talked about. Telling me "good riddance" for a "bad attitude" is kinda just being stupid.
@@cdelapaz5 is it? Because what seemed childish and stupid to me was your saying that this is the last straw for you and your done with this hobby as a result of this technology. If your done then exit. Stage left. But now you want to have a discourse on the subject? Isn't that contradictory to your previous statement? Because your still here. So clearly it wasn't the last straw for you and you were just being mellow dramatic for effect and to influence people in the negative. That was the point I was trying to make. Keep it civil dude and I will too. 🤠🙏😂
I like the part where the guy admits that that "we integrate several other systems on the mitigation side of the technology that does allow for takeover or jamming or return to home." I mean, what could go wrong? Nothing bad ever happens when companies are allowed to track you, spy on you, and steal your data. "We only sell to governments and law enforcement" is exactly the line taken by the makers of the Pegasus spyware. And not a syllable of pushback from you, Greg.
@@PilotInstitute A viewer can only have an idea about the amount of pushback from what is on the video. Noting the absence is not an assumption. It is an observation. That said, it probably does resemble a bit of uncalled for messenger shooting.
@@PilotInstitute You're now a shill for the government regulating drones out of existence. I guess it's just easy to see something as ok when you're making money off it.
What this does highlight is DJI outright lied about end to end encryption between the drone and controller. Ultimately for Aeroscope to be able to access this information it has to be unencrypted or using a static, pre-coded key. Either option means that any 3rd party, not just DJI, can reverse engineer the protocol and acquire the same information. It seems the claim about E2E is only for things like the video stream but NOT the other telemetry. They expose that data outside the encrypted wrapper. Something else touched on but not elaborated was the ability with other systems to take over a drone (not just jam). That would again hint at either no encryption or a backdoor in the protocol. So remember - the fact Aeroscope works at all means that its possible for any suitably advanced 3rd party to access the very same data.
They don't need to be terribly advanced tbh. If it's unencrypted over the airwaves, deciphering it is something anyone with a software defined radio and a hair engineering knowledge can do.
Sad day for me and you. This Corporate overreach and Pilot I.D. has brought me to a hard decision. That is to drop out of my 107 classes and sell all of my drone gear. The future of the Drone Industry looks bleak. More control, more laws, more of our Fourth Amendments being erroded because of fear. Consider the public assaulting innocent pilots more and more, this all causes me to be concerned as to where this Hobby is headed. Before i invest my hard earned money i must step back and see clearly. I just want to Fly. I don't want to be spied on by the corporate world anymore than they do. This software has gutted this dream for me. DJI and it's Chinese Fear based design has now paved the way for corporations to further effect America freedoms. In my opinion this hobby has become politically toxic. Listen to this guy admit the potential threats to a pilots private information. He showed us real time and historic time flights. Habitual patterns of each pilot. Where we fly. What we fly. How we fly. He said they are collecting city wide data. He focused on any data of his choice. He used pre-collect pilot patterns and used this data to assess what he called Potential Threats. Who decides who is a threat? He said private citizen's wont have access but The corporation decides who uses it, namely corporations and Law enforcement. I understand the Law Enforcement aspects of it but again the corporation is the Gate Keeper here. All of this is already secured with Remote I.D. Big Brother? Fourth Amendment? Our privacy is worth a $50,000 For Profit investment? Sad Day for the citizen's of America and us Drone Hobbiests. I think we are watching a once fun billion dollar industry eat its children. Im out! Perhaps for now we are allowed to fly a class 1 drone for recreational purposes without Remote I.D. but i see that as very temporary. Good Luck you well intentioned Pilots. Im grounding myself. My Dream died tonight.
Personally I feel remote ID does very little for safety. To me it is clearly a law enforcement tool and I would much rather have some that actually makes all pilots safer when they are in the air, meaning improving situational awareness and things like reducing potential in air incidents with other aircraft.
I have had two incidents where I filed my plan got authorized for my front yard happens to be within class D low altitude only up to 400' Both incidents had civil planes passed under me at 200ft or less have seen helicopters less than that but was not in the air at the time seems to me if it's money they want with safety as the outcome make an app mandatory instead of 107 ensure the app alerts us of other aircraft give us clearance to a safe altitude safety does not have to destroy an entire hobby especially one with a better safety record then all other aviation
It is not about safety. Cars don't have this and they cause far more deaths. There are zero deaths attributed to and commercial drone, not even the failed assassins. Semi trucks have this available to the owners of the truck but authorities have to get a warrant to see that info.
@@indykurt ABSOLUTELY! People have been speeding and endangering other drivers (and pedestrians) since the invention of the automobile, Yet in 10 short yrs we seen over-reaching regulation and massive paranoia about policing/catching the 5% (as stated in the vid) of RC operators. In the process they're ruining it for the 95%. I bet FAR more than 5% go over the speed limit EVERYDAY in their cars yet we DON'T see IDs in cars so someone can be detected speeding from 4000+ft away... and then they receive a citation in the mail.
If a company made the public aware that they can provide tracking of you privilege to travel in your car the public would go crazy saying thats an invasion of privacy. If I'm not in a controlled area you should not be legally to track me.
They track all aircrafts. A car is a bad comparison. Compared to planes, this is very little invasion of privacy. Regardless, I’m not thrilled about it haha
@@JordanKyle they track aircraft to keep them from crashing into each other not to know where they been. My car comparison was spot on! No need to track something people do or play with if its not in a prohibited area.
@@shannoncombs3036 exactly, kinda makes me think of if everyones cars had to be tracked, and issuing tickets every time you drive 1mph over the speed limit.
They already track cars. A Tesla sends all information about speed, throttle-input, steering wheel angle, etc, etc through the same connection that gives you free wifi in in a Tesla. Even video and voice recordings on the cars that has it...for analytics-purposes OF COURSE... Soon, you're only free when you're dead
Considering the drone can be tracked when the drone is simply powered on and not even airborne, and drones nearly always originate from and land at the location of the operator, this is illegally tracking the location of human being who operates the drone. We aren't allowed to be tracked by our cell phones without a warrant or permission. How is this any different legally?
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You missunderstand. Dji Aeroscope sends the location of the drone AND the operator and tracks it! If you start a drone and move a mile away they know the current location of your remote since the drone knows it and shows it on map screen. Dont buy DJI. Simply as thay
@@andreasn455 the tech being sold uses "radar," cameras, thermal cameras and all sorts of RF interception, tracking etc... IOW they claim to be able to track all drones basically. Not just DJI. Anything that uses radios can be tracked. Not talking about DJI Aeroscope. Air Armor is the name of the company selling the products and making these claims if I'm not mistaken.
It would be an ideal system, instead of tracking the threat level of my toy drone they started tracking the gang bangers, the criminals who have turned Chicago, St. Louis, Baltimore, NYC, Los Angeles and many other big cities into killing zones. Of course we wouldn't want to intrude into their privacy but those of us who bought something to play with (a TOY) who did the right thing, registered it with FAA etc are fair game. May even end up on NO FLY LIST because we once violated the drone rules knowingly or unknowingly. Big Brother at its worst.
Sure Aytac, just as soon as it's possible for a gang banger to get sucked into the engine of the flight I'm on I'll be on board with you (no pun intended.)
I can only hope that the majority of our intelligent community as drone pilots realizes that this is one of the most disturbing invasion of privacy ever witnessed inside of a hobby. The Company has literally planted receivers throughout all major cities or most according to the video to intercept GPS data going between the drone and the controller this is probably the craziest thing I’ve ever heard of. There is no way these guys aren’t going to get sued to high hell
You have to realize that this is a DJI product that was created by DJI to track DJI products... "these guys" have created nothing, they resell the technology that has existed for 5 years.
Jop this is called DJI Aeroscope. An official DJI product to track drones 50km away! DJI loves to sell for millions to government. Wake up people dont buy dji!
I’m sure we all gave DJI lots of latitude in how this is used by buying the drone and installing apps. Most of us never read the terms and conditions we signed up to.
DJI is a chinese government company. Even if they dont say everything we can be sure they get everything about us. Also a problem is the "activation before first start". That way they can deliver the drones in an acceptable lawful state but maybe slip something suspicious in with an update on activation. Just be careful when it comes to a bad regime
@@togeika and then share that data in real-time with their best friends, the Russians. I'm sure the Russians will simply "counsel" & "educate" the drone pilot
Not DJI using your flight data for enforcement its Air armour software. DJI have gone above & beyond for drone & air safety even though government have put them on the entity blacklist. It's nothing to do with safety all about economics.
I think one possible good thing that could come of this is being able to charge a lot more for our drone services because of the added hoops we have to jump through.
Wow. New to drones but Im done now. I don't want something that can be tracked to that extent. Perfect example of a company seeing how close they can violate constitutional rights for profit. Class action suit.
Will it detect model aircraft, too? I can see using it for localized areas like critical infrastructure and airports etc. But just wait. It will eventually be in use nationwide as a "radar" the same way airports use radar to track manned aircraft. It'll be the FAA's UTM system of choice. The influencers were right. The hobby is dead.
nope... just do your own software programming for your own software to control a DIY built drone. even if they see it theres no serial tied.. but you did your own coding so they dont know how to listen to your code.. he even said it all backend done by the drone manufactures who supply the code.
@Memer Dreamer bro i live in sweden and theyve got a poll passed that allows secret taps on phones w/o wareants. This extends to ”guilty by association” So like if they have eyes on a criminal, they can tap the crims mum, mums friends, and basically anyone whos ever had contact w em. I think we’ve already lost... long gone
Started in aerial photography with RC helis before drones were a thing. Been paid to fly over a baseball stadium during a game with an aircraft the FAA now considers a drone🤦♂️ I was the first person in my state to be tested for 107. After watching this, I’m done. You guys have fun with your tech.
I see a lot of people talking about this technology’s potentially intrusive behavior, and privacy rights (which are all valid) but I don’t see people talking about DJI here. It is up to DJI to properly encrypt radio wave transmissions. Drones often operate at 2.4 to 5.8 ghz and this software and defense system is reading OPEN traffic signals. This means that with a raspberry pi, and a large antenna, I could theoretically, myself, do exactly everything you see here, and even take over a drone. Without encryption, devices are literally screaming in the wind to each other, and with a little bit of hardware, anyone can do the same thing. This company is specializing in making the process easy, professional, and streamlined. That’s it. Bottom line: drone manufacturers need to protect the drones, if not from this company, than from another guy down the block who might take over my drone and fly it into the ocean, or into an airport. I cannot emphasize enough how irresponsible it is to have serial numbers, and pilot locations being broadcasted in this way. You may ask yourself.. why isn’t it already this way? If I had to speculate, real-time encryption is complicated, usually requiring more CPU power and therefore battery power, to run. Additionally, encryption may add unwanted latency to the drone’s live feed (two way). Due to this, the next generation of drones may need new hardware to combat these intrusive behaviors.
I think this comes down to DJI trying to be government friendly. Governments in general hate encryption for the peasants as it makes it harder, though not impossible, for them to monitor. China is one of the most oppressive states in the world (albeit somewhat invisibly at times if you keep your mouth shut), it doesn't surprise me that a chinese drown company is fully onboard. Although, even if run purely as a capitalist enterprise, being friends with the government is often fairly profitable. They aren't being evil for the sake of evil, just trying to make money at any cost.
Wow, so even if I'm not flying and just updating the firmware at home ... they will detect you ... big brother is watching all the time. I do understand the need for this system for security reasons, but it's good to know that as you fly your drone for fun you will be monitored and tracked and recorded. I also wonder how long they will store this information, and who in the future will get access to this... all and all very scary.
DJI is a Chinese company. They wrote the book on surveillance software. This company basically used the DJI code to track all the users, just as China does internally as well.
Imagine living in Ukraine defending your country and the Russian military has this software and can track/takeover the drones your using. This software is dangerous.
@@toadsauce8091 yeah. At the time of the comment that had not been confirmed and now it has so I hope DJI is proud knowing they have blood on their hands.
So what you're saying is switch to ham frequencies. As opposed to the normal frequencies used for drones. Did I forget to mention frequency skipping? Good luck
@@davidwebb4904 Fortunately I’m not that paranoid. I have the cell phone precisely to keep in touch/emergencies etc. when outside, you do realize that at home your tv viewing, websites that you visit are all tracked, oh the horror!
I am a casual drone flyer. I just have a Mini 2. Over the last year I have come to the conclusion that drone flying is already kind of dead. The regulations are crippling. Liability is very high. If anything happens at all and property is damaged or someone is injured you are screwed. You will be held liable and probably charged with unsafe operation. Even if you were doing everything right, as soon as an event occurs you are responsible. If you lose control or there is malfunction, it won't matter, you're getting charged. You better be sure that if you crash that drone, it better be into a lake or deep in the forest because if it breaks a window you're not just going to have to pay for the window.
Good timing. In June I was going to be making over 10K in DJI product purchases. Your company has essentially convinced me to pass on that purchase, NEVER by any DJI product again, and advocate to everyone I meet to avoid DJI products all together. As an FPV pilot - rotor craft and fixed wing - for over 6 years now, I had been watching DJI's tech offering with much interest.Thanks to your watching this video, I no longer feel safe flying any DJI product. From the drones, to even the FPV goggle systems. For example, in July I was just about to purchase several goggles, and a BUNCH of camera systems, to refit my fixed wing aircraft, and the aircraft of several club members. I'm glad I saw this, as I will not be making that purchase now. There is no way I want to put any DJI equipment on any aircraft I fly. This kind of "supervision" is NOT what I singed up for. I used to be a DJI advocate. I now hope EVERYONE sees this video, and that they come to the same conclusions I have. DJI, I you have a very nice product., easy to use and reliable. But this kind of surveillance is unacceptable to the hobby.
So what this guy is saying is their system passively monitors the drone, pilot, and flight path info of drones 40 miles away (even though they can filter for certain areas), and archives *patterns* of pilots to evaluate 'threat levels.' He also said that the system isn't available to the general public. He said nothing about the analytics it collects not being sold to the public by independent clients. So here's a scenario. The football stadium in the middle of my city buys one of these systems. From their location, they can monitor, record, and archive flights of every pilot in the city. I'm 30 miles away doing a roof inspection or a photography shoot. They can collect analytics on every launch I make, every job I perform in the city and sell it to my competitors, private interests, Google, or the mob for all I know. All while I have to get a license, registration, and release forms before I can sell a photo I snapped with my drone to a stock images site. That's messed up. This is *exactly* the sort of thing that is going to force otherwise lawful pilots to go rogue and start building/modding their drones illegally.
@@toadsauce8091 Precisely. And the signal data contains everything I listed above so that the drone and controller can communicate. Everything from GPS data to wireless file transfers are made through RF transmission, which this system monitors on every drone within range, whether they are a safety concern or not.
He says it gives the ability to track even before a drone takes off. So, if you're somewhere where you can't fly, you can't even boot up your drone to look at footage without fear of security storming in and Minority Reporting you. No? Abuse always happens. "They were going to fly", but didn't, hasn't, wasn't going to. And don't suggest security and cops won't still throw treats and maybe arrest you (asking questions later). This needs to be archived data, only.
chilling, unconstitutional without a doubt Remote ID is requiring everyone who operates a UAS to testify against themselves whether a crime has been committed or not. This violates the 5th Amendment to the constitution; "nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself" Requiring the technology to implement this violation is a HUGE bureaucratic overreach.
How difficult would it be to record, modify & spoof a replay of a flight telemetry stream from another transmitter given the original telemetry data sent from these drones isn't encrypted?
At some point I’ll just build my own if this gets too out of control. I draw the line at remote takeover. really takes all the fun out of it, even when you’re a good actor.
Once this gets into law enforcements hands, the hobby of flying drones will be dead. Unfortuanlty that any system,that powerful will be abused in one way or another.
I often wondered why there wasn’t an encryption standard for controller - receiver communication. Seems like it would reduce interference and nosy people out.
There's actually various levels of encryption available today, if it's being sent wirelessly and digitally by default it's technically encrypted to some extent. However, for that encryption to be useful, (powerful enough for entities willing to spend millions of dollars for these types of systems to not be able to break the encryption) it would needlessly add latency and reduce flight time, I guess if you look at the bigger picture it would also be bad for the environment when you think about how many drones are being operated every day, just 10% more power usage would probably be a measurable amount of extra power being used everyday. Certain drones already have issues with heat dissipation as it is, having to dissipate more heat wouldn't help. There's also the fact that remote ID is coming whether we want it or not, why would you sink time and money into developing standards that would be illegal in the short future?
@@mrnickisntaprick I don't mean bad for the environment in the "we're all going to die in 12 years" kind of way, I mean I work at a factory with a coal-burning power plant, the more power it makes the more dust and ash comes out, if you park out there your car gets covered in the dust, I already have pollen to deal with I'd rather not add to it. Have you ever been to a city with crap air quality? Also, aesthetically me personally, I would like to see clear blue skies, not giant plumes of smoke or fog in the case of nuclear power, when I go for a drive with the top down I'd rather see clear green valleys than a crapload of wind turbines and solar panels everywhere. I think we can all agree, the less power we consume, all else being equal, the better for everyone (unless you're in the power production industry maybe and don't care about anything but profit). As for your privacy, if you care about privacy just build your own drone. Security through obscurity, it's always the best kind, and it's not even that hard. Mind you though, in the near future if you don't comply with remote ID you'll probably be breaking the law, not to say you can't, laws get broken every day just don't let anyone tell you I advised you to break a law lol.
Wonderful... DJI makes these drones... then sells DJI AeroScope equipment to arrest their customers... and to locate Ukrainians trying to defend their country.
good reason to never buy a DJI Drone. Someone needs to create a Controller system that interfaces with a cell phone for remote operation via 4g or 5g network.
Absolutely never register your drone or register it and give them false information. I am sure in time there will be a way to either disable or delete this software. Where are these detectors that can pick up the drone? Buy before the dead line that manufactures have to have this software built in or build your own
My guess is you would have to figure out a way to encrypt all data transmitted from your controller to the drone and from the drone back to the controller with a military grade level of encryption. Can it be done yes, but the cost would be prohibitive along with a few other legal issues.
@dheller777 A Guess is just that. There are two methods to deal with this threat to privacy. 1) Clearly understand the methodology and technical aspects of this attack on privacy.. Then.. Design and develop counter measures based on the attacker's capabilities and vulnerabilities. 2) Throw the kitchen sink at it until it breaks.
"Our intention is not to provide law enforcement with info to arrest people.. but rather give info to law enforcement "..cuz law enforcement is know for giving away lollypops and educating people.. 😄
Yeah honestly, my concern with Remote ID and systems like this isn't other people or Karens. I can handle those. What I have a harder time handling is power drunk, aggressive people that have weapons and a propensity for harassing, hurting and even killing the general population with very little if any provocation, i.e. pigs. Oh well.
To be fair, most people who have been contacted by the FAA for violations related to drones stated the FAA is taking an educational versus punitive approach.
Nice technology...but the first time I'm robbed from this information being leaked to criminals (which it will), I will sue whatever company provides it, all the way back into the dark ages...if I survive. This system will tell the bad guys where they can steal a few thousand dollars worth of equipment, without much trouble. They already are following photographers home to steal their equipment and this will make it really easy for them to do it for us too. I don't care if the FAA knows where I am and would really like other aircraft to know (especially helicopters), but you will not find a way to keep the criminals out of it without putting a whole lot of money into it.
Sadly, Remote ID will make that info available to the public, at least while you're flying. This is why we have been critical of certain parts of Remote ID.
@@PilotInstitute That information is already available to any member of the public that already knows how to gather it. Your guest's employer didn't need any special permission to do all that. They just did it, and did it legally.
I feel like this fear is far exaggerated because it can and does happen with many other things outside of drones. You're far more likely to have someone follow and rob you driving around in an expensive car than someone realizing you are flying a drone then track you down to rob you of it. Same goes for living in an expensive house, wearing flashy jewelry, being seen in public with expensive camera gear (like you noted), etc. Some drones are expensive but they'll never be as expensive as other things that you're far more likely to get targeted for.
I think this is just where the tech going. The FAA tracks every manned air flight, so why would we expect unmanned to be any different. Where I get concerned though is that companies like this are really data brokers….and you have no access to your data. Power up the drone once, in your living room to download the app and set the drone up, and they now know where you live. Every flight you ever made. While the safety aspect is there, the privacy aspect is missing. Where is the public’s right to opt out of historical logging? Where the the ability to see what data is being collected on me? In most big data applications like google, Amazon, etc., you can opt out, see your data, and request removal. None of that appears to be in this system! He seemed to hint that it might also work with drones from other manufacturers too…so yes, the hobby is dead.
@@Matanumi I agree with you, but for me, the hobby is dead. I haven’t flown for almost a year and have no plans to do so again until privacy issues are resolved.
no its this is built on dji framework he said that so if it works on another company drone has to be there framework and built around it thats why only dji on the table. i wouldn't worry for other brands for now dji is the drone giant at the moment
so I guess you'd be ok every time that you opened your Cessna's door and hit the power switch, the FEDS would bum -rush you and your airplane, and ask you what the hell do you think you are going to do there, buddy?
@@PilotInstitute Do you think the government is developing anything from this? Tech like that doesn’t really seem to disappear. I do think that if it ever emerges again, the public should have access like Flightradar24.
I didn't see any comments, but any signal transmitted is free to be received according to the FCC. Unless the ruling has been changed by the FCC, that data or information is not be transmitted to anyone else. So has the FCC approved the use of this software for FAA or law enforcement to use for prosecution?
So when their website or dji's gets hacked every bit of info goes public. Law enforcement gets a free pass bypassing unreasonable search and seizure laws. And criminals will bypass the entire system with custom firmware. So let punish the hobbyist and legit businesses . Awesome
Being a RC plane pilot for over 30 years. The FAA is killing the radio controlled flight enthusiast. Remote ID is just another way to control. Bad actors are going to be bad actors. I really dont want people to know where I live just because I'm flying a RC plane or heli or quadcopter. I mainly fly on my property. It is our responsibility to have situational knowledge of if we can fly where we are located.
I find it hard to imagine a system of this nature could be used to issue fines unless there is a direct observation of the pilot in command. It will not take long for individuals to figure out how to spoof or alter the data being transmitted (like using a VPN while online). Imagine the chaos if someone spoofed the data and flooded restricted airspace to make it appear 100's or 1,000's of drones were circling an airport or critical infrastructure. Once that happens, you introduce some degree of reasonable doubt when it comes to appealing "infractions".
@@redhawkdrone3403 looks like most of the time that this will be used is in live scenarios where they are actively watching for bad pilots. Otherwise they will have to build a case to prosecute like they do now.
FAA is frequently issuing fines of tens of thousands of dollars to perfectly innocent people just because they have violated some homemade misinterpreted regulation written by people who has zero aviation experience. The victims are both pilots of drones and manned aircraft. FAA will for sure put automatic systems in place to detect every violation of their silly regulations. This need to be stopped.
@@Siamect I'm for regulations, people who blatantly disregard FAA regulations, and endanger people on the ground and fixed wing pilots . I was told that the FAA will do a" full investigation" instead of just issuing tickets. Being a student pilot and having a 107 , I just don't want someone else's mistake effecting my wallet and or license.
@@johnhallin4479 I'm also for regulations... Provided the regulations make sense and that they are enforced by serious authorities that understand the activities which regulations they are enforcing. FAA and their regulations are not in that category, something you would know if you have a part 107 certification. Whenever you leave the student part of being a pilot I assume you will understand. The truth is that when you fly your drone you are violating the FAA drone regulations and when you fly your manned aircraft you are also violating FAA regulations. Same way as you cannot drive your car out from your yard without violating half a dozen traffic regulations. The ways FAA work is... example a pilot of a manned aircraft flies close to the HOLLYWOOD sign... perfectly legal and absolutely no danger to anyone. FAA issued a $120.000 fine which the pilot pays. The pilot is fighting in court for two years and FAA lose and return the $120.000 with an "oops, sorry my bad, bye". Nothing happens to the FAA staff that has made the pilot's life hell for two years. They just continue causing serious problems for innocent people! If FAA would be serious about what they are doing, they need to make their own staff responsible for their wrongdoing and at least fire them and have them prosecuted for abusing the power FAA has given them.
95% of the people who fly drones are not interested in in your personal life or invading youe privacy ! Your misguided ego and self importance is revolting !
@@johnarnold5726 hey, you missed the point. I fly drones myself to make footage. I mean, they are all complaining while you fly over them, but the gouvernment wants your exact location for example before you can take off
I didn't hear this mentioned, but who sets the detection zones? Is it the company, security team, etc who paid to access this system who does this set up or does someone from the Aerial Armor's company set it and any adjustments have to go through them? I'd hope Aerial Armor would set it so the person/people accessing it can't set up points not associated with or related to where they need to monitor
I am surprised that they don't come out and lie saying that "we dont collect all data" (you know, the Obama speech) and data record all info anyway. These people want a blanket freedom to track all drone flights regardless of if it's a legal flight or not.
What's to stop you from tracking pilots who go flying, and then go home and power up their drone to update firmware, and now you know where they live. That is terrifying !!!!
THIS HAS KILLED DJI, I will never purchase another DJI drone. From now on I will only be involved in home development and building. This is the start of the underground drone community and as such will speed up unrestricted development of drones with no drone ID or geofencing. Using the mobile phone system instead of normal remote control radio systems or any other radio or inferred connections. This will change drones forever and make them far MORE difficult to govern. By DJI.
So intrusive on just kids flying a drone in the back yard. The govt is so scared of everything I swear. This video literally sucked the fun out of drone fraying. It’s a money grab I get but still privacy is privacy
This is why I enrolled, completed this course, got my T-Shirt and continue to follow this page! Always ahead of the curve with the latest info and news!
@@Dangling_Carrot In case you haven't noticed, people are BEGGING to be watched these days. This will be the tiktok of the skys. Imagine a UAV social credit system or social media device where we can socialize and have our info stolen at the same time! Wow yay wooo!
Remember, when he said that the information is not available to the general public he means it is not available from his company. You do not need any permission from anyone including the FAA or FCC to set up your own tracking system if you really wanted to and know how. There are products out there like the Radio Direction Finder DF2020T that can quickly and easily find your drone and your remote control.
"In the wrong hands, it could be considered an invasion of privacy." Pretty good reason to make sure that the government and law enforcement should never be allowed within 13,000 miles of it.
Government buys the tracking devices directly from DJI called Aeroscope. Government has access and will over time track you more and more. Thats DJI business model. Sell the dumb consumer expensive drones that send gps data of drone, remote comtroller and serial number of the drone up to 50km distance and sell government for millions of dollar tracking devices... Then government can even years later come after you if you made a mistake while flying, because every dji drone must be activitated witch your dji account so they map serial number of the drone to your account and government can request your personal imformation that way. The only solution is: do not buy dji. I sold my air 2s and got an autel nano plus. Best decision i could have made.
Don't worry! All these electric cars are trying to force down our throat or going to be invading your privacy.
So you think private companies are any better? Strange comment of yours.
Yea,... OH TRUST ME GUYS.... The ones who enforced a mandate , not for a vaccine but to take a shot because there is a difference and the guys who've spread our military thin setting up hundreds of bases outside our own country and occupying many places on the exact opposite side of the world .. US... THIS COUNTRYS GOVERNMENT AND LAE ENFORCEMENT... REMEMBER GUYS ... THEY KNOW BEST.. THEY ARRRRREE THE GOOD GUYS... REMEMBER? MEMBER GUY? YEH? NO? YOU DONT? WELL KNEEEEEEEL AND REMEMBER.. KNEEEEEEEL (SKELETORS VOICE FROM THE ORIGINAL HEMAN MOVIE)... I SAID KNEEEEEEEL!
@@AndersJackson you.. your the weirdo sticking up for the government ESSSSSSSPECIALLY AFTER SHOT MANDATES.. NOT VACCINE BUT SHOT MANDATES.. I've got less than zero respect for you. Period
The people being detected by these drones should be notified they are being tracked, and should be able to request all info the Aerial Armor has on their drone's serial number, similar to the way you can request a user profile report from Facebook with all the data they have on your profile, or from a police record. Keeping data on people when they don't have access to it seems morally wrong, and should be illegal in my opinion.
It is morally wrong to spy on other people who pose no realistic threat to you. That is why you should not feel bad about avoiding or even hiding from surveillance. The government stepped over the line many years ago and those who still consider them a benefactor and protector is a fool. We could indeed make such surveillance illegal but we'd have to remove the criminals from power first.
so how on earth are they tracking this data with no internet involved? my drone is used on a old phone with no internet, id be really interested how this could possibly work to track anything. (bought drone on craigslist and never registered but looking at buying a smaller one that doesnt require registration like the air 2 or something)
The products from DJI communicate with China through your WiFi and mobile connection. Even though you are not connected to the internet, the drone is still transmitting this data.
As DJI has paved the way for such unacceptable surveillance, other drone manufacturers will be forced to comply if they want to sell their products in the US. This system will soon be global.
If you value your privacy and still want to fly drones, learn how to build quads yourself.
Before the end of this year 2023, I am releasing my own DIY kit drone that you can 3d print and assemble yourself. Extremely simple, upgradable and modular. It is not a quad however, it's better and cheaper, but still consumer grade quality ;)
I am currently in the final stages of development. In this design I will not be trying to comply with regulations as I am not going to be producing and selling them. The design files will have a very low price point as I am interested in wide distribution. I am not in this for the money, but because of principle.@@smallbox679
Idk if ur serius or not but you realize you have to send and receive data to controll the drone that communication ban be located and tracked
You obviously don't know what you are talking about. This is only relevant to DJI drones. Tracking a standard RC control signal or video transmission requires triangulation and has to be done by qualified personnel, not some simple minded cop. It is not feasible in practice. That is why they want to legislate tracking devices on drones.@@BabyKnxckz
"For safety" or not this is a blatant 4th ammendment violation. And sending most law enforcement to "educate" is worthless. Majority of cops have 0 idea about FAA laws and jurisdiction, much less what a part 107 operator would know over them.
Most of them don't even know gun laws either.
If you haven't figured out that " for SAFETY or for YOUR SAFETY" means " for CONTROL or for CONTROLLING YOU, then you will never get it. 😢
@@blackpredatorbowhunter4379 bro this is a private company, not the government 🤦
@@BananerRepublic a private company contracting with the government. Smack your forehead on that one...
Being a drone pilot for a little over 2 years now, I can see how one would think this might be helping the hobby. It's most definitely going to help kill it. PLEASE don't make this software available to law enforcement/government! Give them copies of your collected data if an offense has been committed/law broken but, DO NOT give them access to using the software!
@@fpvtea he probably has his 107 and now thinks he's a pilot. I agree all of these GPS aerial platform UAV'S folks are really only an operator certainly not a pilot.
@@Freebird_67
pilot 😂😂😂.
in their dreams.
@@fpvtea I only used pilot in this particular instance, due to its commonplace use within the drone enthusiast community. As far as real pilot experience, I've only taken a handful of lessons.
@@Freebird_67 I only used pilot in this particular instance, due to its commonplace use within the drone enthusiast community. As far as real pilot experience, I've only taken a handful of lessons.
These guys are funny, they're trying to insult another remote pilot because they think they're something special lol. It's like the mean girls that pick on the other girls and don't realize what a-holes they're being SMH.
The term is remote pilot. Sorry if you don't like it but that's what it is.
I think this is an infringement on you’re right to privacy especially if it’s on your own property. It’s effectively monitoring information third parties aren’t suppose to be able to record
Read the fine print😂
Interesting that you want privacy for unmanned flying video cameras.
@@giobikefans how about the government spies on your telephone because it has a camera oh wait they already do that simp
@@giobikefans On his property.
Imagine officers kill a suspect in cold blood or the unlawfully used excessive force, or maybe suppressing a protest like Cop City in Atlanta where the cops killed a peaceful protester, and they wanted to cover it up!!! This company can go to hell!!! Now that it's been a year now, I guarantee that they can download all information, including video/pictures and sound, and now all your personal information is all tracked with the serial numbers (who the drone owner is, address, phone number, etc. Also I guarantee that if not now, in the future, this will be another abuse of law/order and government, to make money and issue tickets automatically through this data, just like the surveillance stop light cameras!!!
"our intent is not to get people arrested or have security go out".... But we have a direct line with the authorities so those fuckers can bum rush you.
Interesting, point, Arial Armor does not need a warrant to collect the Data, because they are not the Government. Also, Arial Armor can give this information to the Government without a warrant. If the Government were to collect this Data on their own, they would need a warrant.
This should be illegal for use expect in controlled air space only. The history part of the tracking should be illegal if it show flights in uncontrolled air space. Its no different than law enforcement tracking cars to watch for infractions while people are exercising the right to free movement on public highways. Its fine for controlled air space but it should be illegal to track flights in uncontrolled air space.
Remember that even in uncontrolled air space regulations still exist, like not exceeding 400ft AGL. So yes you can absolutely break the law outside of control air space.
I agree. Corporations are buying these for their buildings in downtown areas. Shooting down drones with these net shotgun shells is illegal. If I’m flying in a downtown area and I get near another building and my down get’s interfered with by jamming or other ways I’m going to sue like their’s no tomorrow.
Mostly police don't want people filming them doing illegal things like in Canada. Of course laws for thee but not for police.
There is nothing illegal about it. Anyone dumb enough to think their publicly broadcasted transmission data from their drone with 0 encryption isnt allowed to be looked at by anyone with a receiver is ignorant of the law. Its no different than listening to open broadcasts on a walkie talkie. If you dont want to be tracked or identified, then build your own equipment setup with encryption. It is a joke how much big brand addicted drone buyers cry about these issues when they dont even respect RC hobbies enough to build their own crafts. Its like a Windows or Mac user crying about a virus, when they could have controlled their computing environment properly with linux for free.
@@urineanimal no shit there man, only time you need windows is in a virtual machine for certain things. And as far as drones go Analog isn’t going to be tracked they or just going after the DJI drones that were designed to spy on the owner/operator. Anyone who thinks a DJI drone is anything
But a toy or unless you have a cinematic business use.
As a commercial full scale pilot, 14+ year and counting Fpv hobbyist and more recent commercial Alta X operator I can only see a long list of cons vs the pros with this software. I had my doubts about DJI and their flight data collection but now seeing this I will definitely no longer be supporting any DJI projects and most likely will be returning to much more simple flight controllers that do not transmit or store any flight data. All flying I do is perfectly legal and within regulations but the thought of having big brother keeping an eye on all flight data along with the possibility of having control being taken over by a remote entity definitely gives me a lot of concern with personal safety and privacy. Very sad to see where the hobby/industry has come over the years with such great advances in technology that are advancing and ruining it at the same time.
As a commercial pilot, would you feel comfortable with drones flying close to airports with no way of identifying the pilots? How about prisons and military sites?
@@Fraet In cases of airports and Prisons there has already been steps put in place like geo fencing to stop flights from being conducted within these areas. Obviously there are many ways around it but if we are talking those routes then im sure similar steps are put in place to make systems like this redundant, all this is preying on for the most part is the people conducting flights within the safety allowances of the drone.
Nothing in this software allows "taking remote control" as you stated as a possibility.
@@GrzeniaTube He literally said "actually with some third party additions we can take over or force a return to home"
@@Fraet Given you are apparently spruiking for restricted breathing apparatus as well, I hope you aren't taking any passengers or flying over populated areas after taking the Fauci-Ouchy.
You guys are taken the fun away. I want to fly a drone to feel free as a bird. But now I'm stressed on who has my data. Thanks tucktards.
That anxiety lessens once you get a little experience. It's just another thing. It's overbearing at times, well all the time, but it's not unbearable. There are places where you really can fly with no problems. This is for people wanting to fly too close to sensitive areas. You minding your own business over there taking videos of a river? They aren't gonna mess with you.
@@adcraziness1501 sure 🐑
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073 don't start that shit with me, clown.
@@adcraziness1501 BULL SHIT! This is control!
@@rn-rvchronicles Are you still hung up on that? Of course it's control. It's government. That's what government does.
Good work comrades. This will force somebody to create a hacked, undetectable operating system.
Radio controlled planes have been doing it since they began.
This is scary stuff... imagine if this level of surveillance was involved with cars, people wouldn't put up with it and the drone community shouldn't put up with this surveillance either. I understand that there are bad drone pilots, but this isn't going to stop those people with ill intent.
License plate readers have been around a while and getting increasingly popular. Given the level of tyranny they’ve allowed to get comfortable with these last few years I can definitely see a vehicle tracking device being mandated. Why not? They basically did it with airplanes, ADSB.
@@MoonRambo702 Semi trucks have tracking technology. The owners of the trucks have access to that data, the authorities have to serve a warrant to see that data. License plate readers are in public space. I see your point on saying that this will end up on cars. They will use the technology to shut a car down in a police chase, same technology will get an investigative reporter suicided that just got pictures of an official doing wrong.
Most flights are tracked and anymore have to have ADS-B out
@@rrossman2 Not 100% true. Only inside Mode-C veils. There are a lot of people without transponders still
this ahful tech is on cars and been for oh knows how long? onstar is one compeny.
Thank you for the information. Now we all know the good times of flying a drone are gone. It was nice while it lasted.
I am happy I enjoyed it for 3 years
These drone detection systems are built to detect 2.4 and 5.8Ghz RC signals. Even though 300Mhz is considered outdated for consumer drones it's still a better solution for privacy against systems like these. It doesn't leave a digital footprint like DJI drones either.
Dont buy DJI products. Make your own UAV. DJI stole all their tech from the open source projects that are still going strong. Use one of those solutions.
None of my drones are dji, sucks to be a person that owns one! Lol, good luck tracking mine assholes.
I'm flying all 8 of mine full speed into a concrete wall and posting the videos just for laughs. Or maybe I could donate them to the Ukrainian army? I bet they'd put them to good use!
This is why I make my own drones
Yep! Building FPV Drones without a GPS module will pretty much prevent this system from working as intended... lol
@@Aircraft_Fabricator you could have GPS on your DIY drone. They cant use it. This system only works for DJI and probably some other mainstream drones that send their location in manner that the software understands. I you build your own drone and use some crypted communication it is not very easy to track you. So this is BS. Terrorists and criminals have the resources to build a own system.
@@Aircraft_Fabricator sorry to tell you but the faa are also scanning all air waves, even home built are tracked
@@bigfoot3387can you tell me more about this? How do they do it and how much info can they get from a rc signal?
DJI Aeroscope is the main reason I switched to Autel... this is not used to "educate" hobbyst, this is used to "hunt" and fine hobbyst, photogaphers and videographers even if they are not endangering anyone or anything.
This technology is 1000% about taxation and fines, nothing more. The ever growing monster that is big gov.
Are you sure that Autel communication protocol isnt known for them?
@@TaaviJuursalu DJI is the only manufacturer that sells it's codification. All drones can be detected with bird radars, RF scanners, visual/sound radars, etc but there's nothing like Aeroscope for other brands.
@@huginnkenningard are you sure? Maybe it is not public information. Every drone that sends it GPS coordinates can be read if you know the protocol and the encryption keys.A lot of other drone manufactures are using DJIs protocol.
@@TaaviJuursalu Yep, Aeroscope only works with DJI drones, that's for sure (and maybe on DJI FPV transmission system, idk).
EID will be mandatory at some point so we must wait and see how the different manufacturers will implement it. Aeroscope is the approach that DJI made to eID but you don't have any control over it.
Now I won't have to worry about upgrading to a new drone. I just sell the current one I have, and forget about this hobby.
Thanks Greg for providing this informative video. I've always had a problem with companies who would sell their technology to the gooberment and not citizens. We're not talking about missiles, this is essentially, a fancy radio receiver. It would take 2 seconds to attach a name to each drone and one wouldn't even need a warrant. Just find where this person flies the most (their back yard), look up the address on the county's gis tax map and you got their name and everything about them. Pretty sick that some people think it's a good idea to keep a database of everywhere I decide to fly a toy. This should be illegal.
I'm actually all for this type of software. Unfortunately there are so many people doing dumb sh*t there needs to be some way to monitor and stop them. It might just be a flying toy, but it's also a flying brick and it's only a matter of time before a drone causes a serious accident IMO.
Also, we all agree that air space is public right? That's why we can fly a drone over property that isn't ours. IMO we can't argue that air space should be public AND also demand privacy when operating in that air space.
@@dustingaddis2423 Demand privacy in public spaces? If its in public then its public if its private in your house behind closed doors then its private. You can't do something in public and expect it to be private.
@Memer Dreamer I sense a current or future grumpy old man who constantly worries about the government even though the government probably doesn’t give a shit about him.
@@vintageexcellence or a "grumpy old man" whose been around long enough to know that he doesn't want his children or his grandchildren to live in a world where big Gubmint controls every aspect of their existence, long before they have a chance to decide if that would be right for them. Your argument is null and void.
@Memer Dreamer I use mine for work. Doesn't bother me. When I see people landing in populated stadiums, I have to worry about new laws that make my job much harder.
I've followed the remote ID discussion for some time now. While the final draft from the FAA isn't as bad as it could have been (at least drones don't have to always be interconnected), these guys from Aerial Armor have already built the dystopian tracking and logging network that we feared. Not that anyone should do something illegal--I get that, but essentially now every drone pilot has a "file" and with a click, this company can bring up a log of every flight, with all telemetry, for years. Imagine a system like this for cars: every car has a transmitter that sends out its license plate number / VIN number, GPS coordinates, current speed, etc. Then governments / companies build a network of receivers so that, with a click, the police could pull up a log of every place I've visited, dates and times, how fast I drove, whether I made an illegal left turn, ran a red light etc. Anyway I realize it has its purpose but it seems like too many steps down the wrong road to surveillance and government overreach.
They already have that, your cell phone. Be it Apple or Google thd maps record every where you.
I discovered google has a record of everywhere I drive and I can see it through my google maps history.
It even draws lines on the map keeps time of day too.
When I doordash I used it to prove I made deliveries I was accused of not making
It is interesting that, at no point, was this technology described as being able to separate good actors from bad, other than ear-marking a signal for future reference. Herein lies the issue; lawful pilots should not be tracked *at all. Period.* As a pilot, I understand where good and bad places to fly are, as well as the FAA regulations I have to abide by, but I do not expect security/police to know the law. This technology leaves pilots open to harassment, since police officers can simply write you an unlawful ticket, and pin the cost of fighting the ticket *on you.* I certainly see the upside to this technology, but it has the same downside as drones - bad actors.
Also, the whole idea of this system covering an entire city or county does not makes sense outside of areas with a standing TFR. We've seen cities and municipalities go after drones in an incredibly illegal way, and this would only aid them, thereby pinning the costs on the only people they do not care about - average, law-abiding citizens. This system is brilliant for large sporting events and festivals, to ensure crowds of people are not at risk, but other than that seems to tread into a 4th Amendment grey area at the very least.
All the best to the people at Aerial Armor, but I heavily disagree with many of the use cases for this system.
Lawful Pilots do Not have to worry about being tracked. It’s to minimise idiots ruining for everyone else.
but hey, they are just the "messenger" here, lol. same bs everywhere, when it comes to (civil) drones.
This is a bit like using a police scanner. Radio transmissions are fair game for anyone to receive. If there is unencrypted data within that transmission, the receiver can do with it what they may.
@@prazad001 no man we should not tracked for flying below the radar in legal areas its not for bad actors its to watch our every move and i am a law abiding pilot but fuck this
@@ogboppitybop9123 get into fpv drones. They will not be effected by this device
With this level of surveillance, best to ban all drones. Inspecting the gutters of my own home resulting in enthusiastic SWAT team smashing down my door in the middle of the night and shooting my dog, this system is open to huge amount of abuse.
Imagine officers kill a suspect in cold blood or the unlawfully used excessive force, or maybe suppressing a protest like Cop City in Atlanta where the cops killed a peaceful protester, and they wanted to cover it up!!! This company can go to hell!!! Now that it's been a year now, I guarantee that they can download all information, including video/pictures and sound, and now all your personal information is all tracked with the serial numbers (who the drone owner is, address, phone number, etc. Also I guarantee that if not now, in the future, this will be another abuse of law/order and government, to make money and issue tickets automatically through this data, just like the surveillance stop light cameras!!!
@@ronaldcoleman9370 The "peaceful protester" shot a cop, before the cops took IT out. You seem to have left that part out.
@@lamarw7757 I did leave some things out!!! More body can footage came out with the cops discussing and questioning that they shot their own and autopsy report said that the protester was sitting in a meditation position when shot and his hands had no gun powder residue on them!!!
@@lamarw7757 THAT part always seems to be left out ..... I wonder why ?
This guy is exactly the problem we have in the world today.
Sorry mate , the real problem are those morons who fly their drones close to airports and private properties. I fly DJI drones and fixed wings model airplanes but I fly from a sanctioned flying field . There is a safety issue and there are many irresponsible Drone flyers that they think they can fly anywhere they like. That's what brought this up because of some few imbeciles. This issue is not new. I've been flying drones for the past six years, I do not fly in public parks or over private buildings. Drones are not toys. My Drones are registered with Transport Canada for a small fee. A Numbered Certificate with info of what kind of Drone and Sr.# is issued . Drone ID to be on the Drone in case it is lost or crashes. The first step in operating a Drone is to have it Registered, that first step only allows you to fly by visual, an altitude and a distance restricted. Just like when flying a Model Airplane, keeping the model in sight at all times. Next Step For advanced Drone flying there are test questions plus.
you keep thinking that son...this has nothing to do with safety
@@VellaCharles it's legal to fly over private property in the US..
@@VellaCharles 😂 those are terrible rules
@@silverspork86 and cars and people.
This seems heavy handed. I mean, you don’t have remote ID on your car. How often are drones a serious problem. There’s is no way this “issue” justifies these actions. How long till they start taking your video feed. They have killed the drone hobby for me.
Exactly! People are just giving away their freedoms for the safety of all. It's a manufactured argument. Why does the authorities have to get a warrant for you to unlock your phone, which just failed in the Supreme Court. There has been a call to make regular cameras connect to a server. You know where this will go, no one will be able to take a picture in private and those photos will be used against you.
@@indykurt Get into building your own FPV drones. I almost ditched the hobby myself, until I started building and understanding. My drones have ZERO impact on this software. And I can fly anywhere without the drone trying to restrict me. More flight skills are required for this, but its totally worth it. Rogue for life!
Good riddance. Later. We won't miss you, your drone or your bad attitude. See ya 🤠🙋
@@jimig399 Ok,,, I wasn't trying to hang out with,,, who are you again? The FCC is basically condemning old drones and over regulating in ways that I personally don't believe they should have the power to do. If you are for this, then so be it, offer your arguments and then it can be talked about. Telling me "good riddance" for a "bad attitude" is kinda just being stupid.
@@cdelapaz5 is it? Because what seemed childish and stupid to me was your saying that this is the last straw for you and your done with this hobby as a result of this technology. If your done then exit. Stage left. But now you want to have a discourse on the subject? Isn't that contradictory to your previous statement? Because your still here. So clearly it wasn't the last straw for you and you were just being mellow dramatic for effect and to influence people in the negative. That was the point I was trying to make. Keep it civil dude and I will too. 🤠🙏😂
You shouldn’t under any circumstances have to give the government your transmitter or home point location. The drone location is understandable.
I like the part where the guy admits that that "we integrate several other systems on the mitigation side of the technology that does allow for takeover or jamming or return to home." I mean, what could go wrong? Nothing bad ever happens when companies are allowed to track you, spy on you, and steal your data. "We only sell to governments and law enforcement" is exactly the line taken by the makers of the Pegasus spyware. And not a syllable of pushback from you, Greg.
You have no idea what pushback we did or didn't do. This is not an opinion piece, this is an informational piece. Don't assume.
@@PilotInstitute A viewer can only have an idea about the amount of pushback from what is on the video. Noting the absence is not an assumption. It is an observation. That said, it probably does resemble a bit of uncalled for messenger shooting.
@@PilotInstitute You're now a shill for the government regulating drones out of existence. I guess it's just easy to see something as ok when you're making money off it.
@@tedcraft2193 I think its funny that you consider it "spying" on you when you are flying in federal airspace with no expectation of privacy.
@@PilotInstitute Silence is consent. Only commies would argue.
I was seriously thinking about purchasing a dji mini 3 pro but not after watching this. Thanks dji for shooting yourself in the foot.
What this does highlight is DJI outright lied about end to end encryption between the drone and controller.
Ultimately for Aeroscope to be able to access this information it has to be unencrypted or using a static, pre-coded key.
Either option means that any 3rd party, not just DJI, can reverse engineer the protocol and acquire the same information.
It seems the claim about E2E is only for things like the video stream but NOT the other telemetry. They expose that data outside the encrypted wrapper.
Something else touched on but not elaborated was the ability with other systems to take over a drone (not just jam). That would again hint at either no encryption or a backdoor in the protocol.
So remember - the fact Aeroscope works at all means that its possible for any suitably advanced 3rd party to access the very same data.
They don't need to be terribly advanced tbh. If it's unencrypted over the airwaves, deciphering it is something anyone with a software defined radio and a hair engineering knowledge can do.
They didn't lie. All of this is permitted by DJI TOS when you register any DJI product. If you don't want to be tracked, don't buy DJI products.
Sad day for me and you. This Corporate overreach and Pilot I.D. has brought me to a hard decision. That is to drop out of my 107 classes and sell all of my drone gear. The future of the Drone Industry looks bleak. More control, more laws, more of our Fourth Amendments being erroded because of fear. Consider the public assaulting innocent pilots more and more, this all causes me to be concerned as to where this Hobby is headed. Before i invest my hard earned money i must step back and see clearly. I just want to Fly. I don't want to be spied on by the corporate world anymore than they do. This software has gutted this dream for me. DJI and it's Chinese Fear based design has now paved the way for corporations to further effect America freedoms. In my opinion this hobby has become politically toxic.
Listen to this guy admit the potential threats to a pilots private information. He showed us real time and historic time flights. Habitual patterns of each pilot. Where we fly. What we fly. How we fly. He said they are collecting city wide data. He focused on any data of his choice. He used pre-collect pilot patterns and used this data to assess what he called Potential Threats. Who decides who is a threat? He said private citizen's wont have access but The corporation decides who uses it, namely corporations and Law enforcement. I understand the Law Enforcement aspects of it but again the corporation is the Gate Keeper here. All of this is already secured with Remote I.D. Big Brother? Fourth Amendment? Our privacy is worth a $50,000 For Profit investment? Sad Day for the citizen's of America and us Drone Hobbiests.
I think we are watching a once fun billion dollar industry eat its children.
Im out!
Perhaps for now we are allowed to fly a class 1 drone for recreational purposes without Remote I.D. but i see that as very temporary.
Good Luck you well intentioned Pilots. Im grounding myself. My Dream died tonight.
Mask your ID like VPNs on onion
@@Matanumi how n the hell would we do that my friend dont just say some shit explain your solution
@Memer Dreamer i agree we are being tracked but the gov wont send me a $100,000 fine for being at the grand canyon with my phone but they will a drone
I bet you never get invited to any parties
Carrying a Smart Phone gives them all that info and more!
Personally I feel remote ID does very little for safety. To me it is clearly a law enforcement tool and I would much rather have some that actually makes all pilots safer when they are in the air, meaning improving situational awareness and things like reducing potential in air incidents with other aircraft.
I have had two incidents where I filed my plan got authorized for my front yard happens to be within class D low altitude only up to 400'
Both incidents had civil planes passed under me at 200ft or less have seen helicopters less than that but was not in the air at the time seems to me if it's money they want with safety as the outcome make an app mandatory instead of 107 ensure the app alerts us of other aircraft give us clearance to a safe altitude safety does not have to destroy an entire hobby especially one with a better safety record then all other aviation
It is not about safety. Cars don't have this and they cause far more deaths. There are zero deaths attributed to and commercial drone, not even the failed assassins. Semi trucks have this available to the owners of the truck but authorities have to get a warrant to see that info.
@@indykurt ABSOLUTELY! People have been speeding and endangering other drivers (and pedestrians) since the invention of the automobile, Yet in 10 short yrs we seen over-reaching regulation and massive paranoia about policing/catching the 5% (as stated in the vid) of RC operators. In the process they're ruining it for the 95%. I bet FAR more than 5% go over the speed limit EVERYDAY in their cars yet we DON'T see IDs in cars so someone can be detected speeding from 4000+ft away... and then they receive a citation in the mail.
Yep definitely a tool for law enforcement and absolutely no one else
Remote ID is a thing because Amazon lobbied. It has nothing to do with safety.
If a company made the public aware that they can provide tracking of you privilege to travel in your car the public would go crazy saying thats an invasion of privacy. If I'm not in a controlled area you should not be legally to track me.
They track all aircrafts. A car is a bad comparison. Compared to planes, this is very little invasion of privacy. Regardless, I’m not thrilled about it haha
@@JordanKyle they track aircraft to keep them from crashing into each other not to know where they been. My car comparison was spot on! No need to track something people do or play with if its not in a prohibited area.
@@shannoncombs3036 exactly, kinda makes me think of if everyones cars had to be tracked, and issuing tickets every time you drive 1mph over the speed limit.
Too many rogue nuts spying on people, so they are ruining it for everyone.
They already track cars. A Tesla sends all information about speed, throttle-input, steering wheel angle, etc, etc through the same connection that gives you free wifi in in a Tesla. Even video and voice recordings on the cars that has it...for analytics-purposes OF COURSE...
Soon, you're only free when you're dead
Sounds like drones need full encryption for flight control and telemetry now.
Considering the drone can be tracked when the drone is simply powered on and not even airborne, and drones nearly always originate from and land at the location of the operator, this is illegally tracking the location of human being who operates the drone. We aren't allowed to be tracked by our cell phones without a warrant or permission. How is this any different legally?
I regret to inform you that you have been fined five billion credits by the F'ed in the AA for insubordination citizen. Your account has now been debited. Please take the approved, online remedial-education course called, "how to follow the dictates of the authorities without asking silly questions" by 9pm or face further sanctions. lmao Sorry I couldn't resist.
You missunderstand. Dji Aeroscope sends the location of the drone AND the operator and tracks it! If you start a drone and move a mile away they know the current location of your remote since the drone knows it and shows it on map screen. Dont buy DJI. Simply as thay
@@andreasn455 the tech being sold uses "radar," cameras, thermal cameras and all sorts of RF interception, tracking etc... IOW they claim to be able to track all drones basically. Not just DJI. Anything that uses radios can be tracked. Not talking about DJI Aeroscope. Air Armor is the name of the company selling the products and making these claims if I'm not mistaken.
It would be an ideal system, instead of tracking the threat level of my toy drone they started tracking the gang bangers, the criminals who have turned Chicago, St. Louis, Baltimore, NYC, Los Angeles and many other big cities into killing zones. Of course we wouldn't want to intrude into their privacy but those of us who bought something to play with (a TOY) who did the right thing, registered it with FAA etc are fair game. May even end up on NO FLY LIST because we once violated the drone rules knowingly or unknowingly.
Big Brother at its worst.
Sure Aytac, just as soon as it's possible for a gang banger to get sucked into the engine of the flight I'm on I'll be on board with you (no pun intended.)
America, "land of the free!
@@fido2006 drones have been around how many years now? How many times has that happened? How many drone deaths per year have there been?
@@KnightmareOX The answer is zero, not even the commercial drones they used to assassinate a politician failed. This isn't about safety.
@@indykurt exactly. It’s about control. Most likely to benefit big businesses while screwing over small businesses and hobbyists
I can only hope that the majority of our intelligent community as drone pilots realizes that this is one of the most disturbing invasion of privacy ever witnessed inside of a hobby. The Company has literally planted receivers throughout all major cities or most according to the video to intercept GPS data going between the drone and the controller this is probably the craziest thing I’ve ever heard of. There is no way these guys aren’t going to get sued to high hell
You have to realize that this is a DJI product that was created by DJI to track DJI products... "these guys" have created nothing, they resell the technology that has existed for 5 years.
Jop this is called DJI Aeroscope. An official DJI product to track drones 50km away! DJI loves to sell for millions to government. Wake up people dont buy dji!
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
show me an affordable way to jam this discusting insult to my 4th consitutional right and I will be a happy customer !
So based on this, I shall no longer use drones for nefarious activities. I shall use microlight aircraft instead.
Thank you for making this video and letting us know who the enemy really is!
BTW kellyk, have you become a flat earther yet?
I’m sure we all gave DJI lots of latitude in how this is used by buying the drone and installing apps. Most of us never read the terms and conditions we signed up to.
DJI is a chinese government company. Even if they dont say everything we can be sure they get everything about us.
Also a problem is the "activation before first start". That way they can deliver the drones in an acceptable lawful state but maybe slip something suspicious in with an update on activation.
Just be careful when it comes to a bad regime
loll dji actually makes surveillance system for drones, that are used by police etc around the world and this system is probably just copy of it..
@@leinadreign3510 lo, please dont start bad regime conversation, when international public is around..
DJI no-fly zones is one reason I don't go with them. They restricted drone flights in Syria. I am wondering if they will do the same in Ukraine?
@@togeika and then share that data in real-time with their best friends, the Russians. I'm sure the Russians will simply "counsel" & "educate" the drone pilot
Listen closely you can hear DJI's stock prices falling.
It's disgusting you can't even play with a toy without being spied on 🤬 I won't be buying dji no longer
Not DJI using your flight data for enforcement its Air armour software. DJI have gone above & beyond for drone & air safety even though government have put them on the entity blacklist.
It's nothing to do with safety all about economics.
I think one possible good thing that could come of this is being able to charge a lot more for our drone services because of the added hoops we have to jump through.
hi imgdirect have you become a flat earther yet?
Wow. New to drones but Im done now. I don't want something that can be tracked to that extent. Perfect example of a company seeing how close they can violate constitutional rights for profit. Class action suit.
It's one thing to track a drone that's in a restricted area but to track and record flight data everywhere you put a drone up???
Will it detect model aircraft, too? I can see using it for localized areas like critical infrastructure and airports etc. But just wait. It will eventually be in use nationwide as a "radar" the same way airports use radar to track manned aircraft. It'll be the FAA's UTM system of choice. The influencers were right. The hobby is dead.
nope... just do your own software programming for your own software to control a DIY built drone. even if they see it theres no serial tied.. but you did your own coding so they dont know how to listen to your code.. he even said it all backend done by the drone manufactures who supply the code.
@@toddwest9115 they cant see it this is only for dji framework its built around it
@@toddwest9115 we need more ppl like you
@Memer Dreamer and you. But take it down a notch maybe😂
@Memer Dreamer bro i live in sweden and theyve got a poll passed that allows secret taps on phones w/o wareants. This extends to ”guilty by association” So like if they have eyes on a criminal, they can tap the crims mum, mums friends, and basically anyone whos ever had contact w em. I think we’ve already lost... long gone
This is like cops parking outside of a bar. Just waiting for you to screw up just a little then they’ll be all over you. The fun ship has just sailed.
Started in aerial photography with RC helis before drones were a thing. Been paid to fly over a baseball stadium during a game with an aircraft the FAA now considers a drone🤦♂️ I was the first person in my state to be tested for 107. After watching this, I’m done. You guys have fun with your tech.
So this are the guys fking up the hobby for the rest of us
I see a lot of people talking about this technology’s potentially intrusive behavior, and privacy rights (which are all valid) but I don’t see people talking about DJI here.
It is up to DJI to properly encrypt radio wave transmissions. Drones often operate at 2.4 to 5.8 ghz and this software and defense system is reading OPEN traffic signals. This means that with a raspberry pi, and a large antenna, I could theoretically, myself, do exactly everything you see here, and even take over a drone.
Without encryption, devices are literally screaming in the wind to each other, and with a little bit of hardware, anyone can do the same thing. This company is specializing in making the process easy, professional, and streamlined. That’s it.
Bottom line: drone manufacturers need to protect the drones, if not from this company, than from another guy down the block who might take over my drone and fly it into the ocean, or into an airport.
I cannot emphasize enough how irresponsible it is to have serial numbers, and pilot locations being broadcasted in this way. You may ask yourself.. why isn’t it already this way? If I had to speculate, real-time encryption is complicated, usually requiring more CPU power and therefore battery power, to run. Additionally, encryption may add unwanted latency to the drone’s live feed (two way). Due to this, the next generation of drones may need new hardware to combat these intrusive behaviors.
I think this comes down to DJI trying to be government friendly. Governments in general hate encryption for the peasants as it makes it harder, though not impossible, for them to monitor. China is one of the most oppressive states in the world (albeit somewhat invisibly at times if you keep your mouth shut), it doesn't surprise me that a chinese drown company is fully onboard. Although, even if run purely as a capitalist enterprise, being friends with the government is often fairly profitable. They aren't being evil for the sake of evil, just trying to make money at any cost.
The bigger issue is the general public who dislike drones or want to steal them being able to find out where drone pilots are.
Wow, so even if I'm not flying and just updating the firmware at home ... they will detect you ... big brother is watching all the time. I do understand the need for this system for security reasons, but it's good to know that as you fly your drone for fun you will be monitored and tracked and recorded. I also wonder how long they will store this information, and who in the future will get access to this... all and all very scary.
DJI is a Chinese company. They wrote the book on surveillance software. This company basically used the DJI code to track all the users, just as China does internally as well.
Imagine living in Ukraine defending your country and the Russian military has this software and can track/takeover the drones your using. This software is dangerous.
ruclips.net/video/b166ecyNBCw/видео.html
The CNN video
They are doing that and killing the pilots.
@@toadsauce8091 yeah. At the time of the comment that had not been confirmed and now it has so I hope DJI is proud knowing they have blood on their hands.
imagine not knowing Ukraine was busy attacking it's own country for the last 8 years...
So what you're saying is switch to ham frequencies. As opposed to the normal frequencies used for drones. Did I forget to mention frequency skipping? Good luck
What t f . This should be illegal
This should be illegal
"There is no private information in here!"
*blurrs drone id*
X D
haha we actually talked about this in the office. Some of it is not our information so we preferred not to share someone's license plate on RUclips.
@@PilotInstitute seems like you didn't get the comment.
@@izoyt I understand the comment very well.
@@PilotInstitute That explains it ^^
Imagine having a police officer following you around 24/7. Thats the future you are sleepwalking in to.
Just having your cell phone on enables you to be tracked!
@@travelingwise Thats why I leave it at home when I go out.
@@davidwebb4904 Fortunately I’m not that paranoid. I have the cell phone precisely to keep in touch/emergencies etc. when outside, you do realize that at home your tv viewing, websites that you visit are all tracked, oh the horror!
I am a casual drone flyer. I just have a Mini 2. Over the last year I have come to the conclusion that drone flying is already kind of dead. The regulations are crippling. Liability is very high. If anything happens at all and property is damaged or someone is injured you are screwed. You will be held liable and probably charged with unsafe operation. Even if you were doing everything right, as soon as an event occurs you are responsible. If you lose control or there is malfunction, it won't matter, you're getting charged. You better be sure that if you crash that drone, it better be into a lake or deep in the forest because if it breaks a window you're not just going to have to pay for the window.
Good timing. In June I was going to be making over 10K in DJI product purchases.
Your company has essentially convinced me to pass on that purchase, NEVER by any DJI product again, and advocate to everyone I meet to avoid DJI products all together.
As an FPV pilot - rotor craft and fixed wing - for over 6 years now, I had been watching DJI's tech offering with much interest.Thanks to your watching this video, I no longer feel safe flying any DJI product. From the drones, to even the FPV goggle systems. For example, in July I was just about to purchase several goggles, and a BUNCH of camera systems, to refit my fixed wing aircraft, and the aircraft of several club members.
I'm glad I saw this, as I will not be making that purchase now. There is no way I want to put any DJI equipment on any aircraft I fly. This kind of "supervision" is NOT what I singed up for.
I used to be a DJI advocate. I now hope EVERYONE sees this video, and that they come to the same conclusions I have.
DJI, I you have a very nice product., easy to use and reliable. But this kind of surveillance is unacceptable to the hobby.
So what this guy is saying is their system passively monitors the drone, pilot, and flight path info of drones 40 miles away (even though they can filter for certain areas), and archives *patterns* of pilots to evaluate 'threat levels.' He also said that the system isn't available to the general public. He said nothing about the analytics it collects not being sold to the public by independent clients.
So here's a scenario. The football stadium in the middle of my city buys one of these systems. From their location, they can monitor, record, and archive flights of every pilot in the city. I'm 30 miles away doing a roof inspection or a photography shoot. They can collect analytics on every launch I make, every job I perform in the city and sell it to my competitors, private interests, Google, or the mob for all I know.
All while I have to get a license, registration, and release forms before I can sell a photo I snapped with my drone to a stock images site. That's messed up.
This is *exactly* the sort of thing that is going to force otherwise lawful pilots to go rogue and start building/modding their drones illegally.
mods for everyone
No, what their technology does is intercepts all of the drone signal data with multiple fixed receivers in the areas they monitor.
They basically monitor and record all of the signals and re-create the data with software to show the information.
@@toadsauce8091 Precisely. And the signal data contains everything I listed above so that the drone and controller can communicate. Everything from GPS data to wireless file transfers are made through RF transmission, which this system monitors on every drone within range, whether they are a safety concern or not.
Nothing can monitor a conventional quadcopter drone 40 miles away. Think about it.
You can bet your ass if they don't yet, soon, someone will be able to override your drone.
that's been available for years you can do it with a raspberry pi
Hopefully someone will come up with a way to block this technology. This is a breach of privacy
This is a REAL eye opener, BIG BROTHER can get you anytime he wants to!!
He says it gives the ability to track even before a drone takes off. So, if you're somewhere where you can't fly, you can't even boot up your drone to look at footage without fear of security storming in and Minority Reporting you. No? Abuse always happens. "They were going to fly", but didn't, hasn't, wasn't going to. And don't suggest security and cops won't still throw treats and maybe arrest you (asking questions later). This needs to be archived data, only.
It’s like a robot Karen that watch’s you and then you report people 🙄
I was seriously looking at Dji but not now. I will be finding a solution with everything encrypted. does anyone know which systems are?;
YOU GUYS ARE MAKING MONEY BY TAKEN THE FUN OUT OF FLYING. ONCE THE DRONES STOP SO DOES UR MONEY ..HELL YEAH IM PISSED
chilling, unconstitutional without a doubt
Remote ID is requiring everyone who operates a UAS to testify against themselves whether a crime has been committed or not. This violates the 5th Amendment to the constitution; "nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself"
Requiring the technology to implement this violation is a HUGE bureaucratic overreach.
So this private company is just out there collecting drone data, running it through AI, then selling it off to cops? What a loser.
How difficult would it be to record, modify & spoof a replay of a flight telemetry stream from another transmitter given the original telemetry data sent from these drones isn't encrypted?
At some point I’ll just build my own if this gets too out of control. I draw the line at remote takeover. really takes all the fun out of it, even when you’re a good actor.
How could it get more out of control. They have literally everything, they're going to use it.
His rationale for this is absolutely awful. The examples given were horrible. Really reaching to justify the need for invading our privacy.
Oh look - now we're doing 'pre-crime'. This is bound to turn out well. LOL
Once this gets into law enforcements hands, the hobby of flying drones will be dead. Unfortuanlty that any system,that powerful will be abused in one way or another.
This system has been in existence for more than 5 years and has been in the hands of law enforcement federal agencies fo that long.
Pretty much every control tower has one of these now
I often wondered why there wasn’t an encryption standard for controller - receiver communication. Seems like it would reduce interference and nosy people out.
There's actually various levels of encryption available today, if it's being sent wirelessly and digitally by default it's technically encrypted to some extent. However, for that encryption to be useful, (powerful enough for entities willing to spend millions of dollars for these types of systems to not be able to break the encryption) it would needlessly add latency and reduce flight time, I guess if you look at the bigger picture it would also be bad for the environment when you think about how many drones are being operated every day, just 10% more power usage would probably be a measurable amount of extra power being used everyday.
Certain drones already have issues with heat dissipation as it is, having to dissipate more heat wouldn't help.
There's also the fact that remote ID is coming whether we want it or not, why would you sink time and money into developing standards that would be illegal in the short future?
@@mrnickisntaprick I don't mean bad for the environment in the "we're all going to die in 12 years" kind of way, I mean I work at a factory with a coal-burning power plant, the more power it makes the more dust and ash comes out, if you park out there your car gets covered in the dust, I already have pollen to deal with I'd rather not add to it.
Have you ever been to a city with crap air quality?
Also, aesthetically me personally, I would like to see clear blue skies, not giant plumes of smoke or fog in the case of nuclear power, when I go for a drive with the top down I'd rather see clear green valleys than a crapload of wind turbines and solar panels everywhere.
I think we can all agree, the less power we consume, all else being equal, the better for everyone (unless you're in the power production industry maybe and don't care about anything but profit).
As for your privacy, if you care about privacy just build your own drone. Security through obscurity, it's always the best kind, and it's not even that hard.
Mind you though, in the near future if you don't comply with remote ID you'll probably be breaking the law, not to say you can't, laws get broken every day just don't let anyone tell you I advised you to break a law lol.
There are strong encrypted telemetry and control radios that add negligible latency. Not DJI though
Being sent wirelessly does not mean it's encrypted by default.
If this technology becomes popular, I see encryption becoming the next step.
its illegal to encrypt radio com in most of the world. only the military does that (as far as I know).
Wonderful... DJI makes these drones... then sells DJI AeroScope equipment to arrest their customers... and to locate Ukrainians trying to defend their country.
good reason to never buy a DJI Drone. Someone needs to create a Controller system that interfaces with a cell phone for remote operation via 4g or 5g network.
You can root it!
Does this work on a drone that doesn’t have gps or remote id?
This just makes me want to return my mavic 3 pro back to Best Buy before my 14 days run out.
Absolutely never register your drone or register it and give them false information. I am sure in time there will be a way to either disable or delete this software. Where are these detectors that can pick up the drone? Buy before the dead line that manufactures have to have this software built in or build your own
OK, so what are the countermeasures?
Jamming devices, counter radar, drone hacks, flying locally without GPS (sketchy)
My guess is you would have to figure out a way to encrypt all data transmitted from your controller to the drone and from the drone back to the controller with a military grade level of encryption. Can it be done yes, but the cost would be prohibitive along with a few other legal issues.
@dheller777 A Guess is just that. There are two methods to deal with this threat to privacy.
1) Clearly understand the methodology and technical aspects of this attack on privacy..
Then..
Design and develop counter measures based on the attacker's capabilities and vulnerabilities.
2) Throw the kitchen sink at it until it breaks.
"Our intention is not to provide law enforcement with info to arrest people.. but rather give info to law enforcement "..cuz law enforcement is know for giving away lollypops and educating people.. 😄
Yeah honestly, my concern with Remote ID and systems like this isn't other people or Karens. I can handle those. What I have a harder time handling is power drunk, aggressive people that have weapons and a propensity for harassing, hurting and even killing the general population with very little if any provocation, i.e. pigs.
Oh well.
To be fair, most people who have been contacted by the FAA for violations related to drones stated the FAA is taking an educational versus punitive approach.
We are doomed worldwide 100%
So even if im flying while inside my home, they'll still know?
It sounds like a good system to track regular users but what about real criminals that hacked their drone to be invisible? Or spoof false info?
Opens the door for Fishing Expeditions. The drone itself needs to report that it’s being tracked. Like seeing the cop on the side of the road.
Nice technology...but the first time I'm robbed from this information being leaked to criminals (which it will), I will sue whatever company provides it, all the way back into the dark ages...if I survive. This system will tell the bad guys where they can steal a few thousand dollars worth of equipment, without much trouble. They already are following photographers home to steal their equipment and this will make it really easy for them to do it for us too. I don't care if the FAA knows where I am and would really like other aircraft to know (especially helicopters), but you will not find a way to keep the criminals out of it without putting a whole lot of money into it.
Sadly, Remote ID will make that info available to the public, at least while you're flying. This is why we have been critical of certain parts of Remote ID.
@@PilotInstitute This was one of my many points in my 6 page original response, one of the 53000 comments that I really don't believe anyone read.
@@PilotInstitute That information is already available to any member of the public that already knows how to gather it. Your guest's employer didn't need any special permission to do all that. They just did it, and did it legally.
@@pupdaddymail No, none of this is currently available to the public. Some of it eventually will be with Remote ID, but not at the moment.
I feel like this fear is far exaggerated because it can and does happen with many other things outside of drones. You're far more likely to have someone follow and rob you driving around in an expensive car than someone realizing you are flying a drone then track you down to rob you of it. Same goes for living in an expensive house, wearing flashy jewelry, being seen in public with expensive camera gear (like you noted), etc. Some drones are expensive but they'll never be as expensive as other things that you're far more likely to get targeted for.
I think this is just where the tech going. The FAA tracks every manned air flight, so why would we expect unmanned to be any different.
Where I get concerned though is that companies like this are really data brokers….and you have no access to your data. Power up the drone once, in your living room to download the app and set the drone up, and they now know where you live. Every flight you ever made.
While the safety aspect is there, the privacy aspect is missing. Where is the public’s right to opt out of historical logging? Where the the ability to see what data is being collected on me? In most big data applications like google, Amazon, etc., you can opt out, see your data, and request removal. None of that appears to be in this system!
He seemed to hint that it might also work with drones from other manufacturers too…so yes, the hobby is dead.
Not dead- although now there will be interceptor systems created to combat this
Bad actors on BOTH sides
@@Matanumi I agree with you, but for me, the hobby is dead. I haven’t flown for almost a year and have no plans to do so again until privacy issues are resolved.
no its this is built on dji framework he said that so if it works on another company drone has to be there framework and built around it thats why only dji on the table. i wouldn't worry for other brands for now dji is the drone giant at the moment
Just build a custom drone with parts from china or whatever.
so I guess you'd be ok every time that you opened your Cessna's door and hit the power switch, the FEDS would bum -rush you and your airplane, and ask you what the hell do you think you are going to do there, buddy?
Imagine how far the technology has come since this video.
This tech has actually been retired by DJI since the video and is no longer et available for sale.
@@PilotInstitute Do you think the government is developing anything from this? Tech like that doesn’t really seem to disappear. I do think that if it ever emerges again, the public should have access like Flightradar24.
I didn't see any comments, but any signal transmitted is free to be received according to the FCC. Unless the ruling has been changed by the FCC, that data or information is not be transmitted to anyone else. So has the FCC approved the use of this software for FAA or law enforcement to use for prosecution?
Does this system detect home-made drones that are made with DJI made control boards, like the NAZA-M, for example?
This will be a very easy way to set a user fee on drone operators another way to tax you.
Just say no
So when their website or dji's gets hacked every bit of info goes public. Law enforcement gets a free pass bypassing unreasonable search and seizure laws. And criminals will bypass the entire system with custom firmware. So let punish the hobbyist and legit businesses . Awesome
Kinda fun, isn't it?
Being a RC plane pilot for over 30 years. The FAA is killing the radio controlled flight enthusiast. Remote ID is just another way to control. Bad actors are going to be bad actors. I really dont want people to know where I live just because I'm flying a RC plane or heli or quadcopter. I mainly fly on my property. It is our responsibility to have situational knowledge of if we can fly where we are located.
Very interesting. So dji only? Does it detect other brands, types, gps modules?
Most of other drones will not able to tracking whoever is flying the drones, but if the drones fly over the radar range they will detect it
I'm interested who (law enforcement?) and how will they issue an FAA violation, and how they prove who is operating the drone.
I find it hard to imagine a system of this nature could be used to issue fines unless there is a direct observation of the pilot in command. It will not take long for individuals to figure out how to spoof or alter the data being transmitted (like using a VPN while online). Imagine the chaos if someone spoofed the data and flooded restricted airspace to make it appear 100's or 1,000's of drones were circling an airport or critical infrastructure. Once that happens, you introduce some degree of reasonable doubt when it comes to appealing "infractions".
@@redhawkdrone3403 looks like most of the time that this will be used is in live scenarios where they are actively watching for bad pilots. Otherwise they will have to build a case to prosecute like they do now.
FAA is frequently issuing fines of tens of thousands of dollars to perfectly innocent people just because they have violated some homemade misinterpreted regulation written by people who has zero aviation experience. The victims are both pilots of drones and manned aircraft. FAA will for sure put automatic systems in place to detect every violation of their silly regulations. This need to be stopped.
@@Siamect I'm for regulations, people who blatantly disregard FAA regulations, and endanger people on the ground and fixed wing pilots . I was told that the FAA will do a" full investigation" instead of just issuing tickets. Being a student pilot and having a 107 , I just don't want someone else's mistake effecting my wallet and or license.
@@johnhallin4479 I'm also for regulations... Provided the regulations make sense and that they are enforced by serious authorities that understand the activities which regulations they are enforcing. FAA and their regulations are not in that category, something you would know if you have a part 107 certification. Whenever you leave the student part of being a pilot I assume you will understand. The truth is that when you fly your drone you are violating the FAA drone regulations and when you fly your manned aircraft you are also violating FAA regulations. Same way as you cannot drive your car out from your yard without violating half a dozen traffic regulations.
The ways FAA work is... example a pilot of a manned aircraft flies close to the HOLLYWOOD sign... perfectly legal and absolutely no danger to anyone. FAA issued a $120.000 fine which the pilot pays. The pilot is fighting in court for two years and FAA lose and return the $120.000 with an "oops, sorry my bad, bye". Nothing happens to the FAA staff that has made the pilot's life hell for two years. They just continue causing serious problems for innocent people! If FAA would be serious about what they are doing, they need to make their own staff responsible for their wrongdoing and at least fire them and have them prosecuted for abusing the power FAA has given them.
"Your drone invades others privacy!"
Me: *and what about my privavy!?*
95% of the people who fly drones are not interested in in your personal life or invading youe privacy ! Your misguided ego and self importance is revolting !
@@johnarnold5726 hey, you missed the point. I fly drones myself to make footage.
I mean, they are all complaining while you fly over them, but the gouvernment wants your exact location for example before you can take off
I didn't hear this mentioned, but who sets the detection zones? Is it the company, security team, etc who paid to access this system who does this set up or does someone from the Aerial Armor's company set it and any adjustments have to go through them? I'd hope Aerial Armor would set it so the person/people accessing it can't set up points not associated with or related to where they need to monitor
I am surprised that they don't come out and lie saying that "we dont collect all data" (you know, the Obama speech) and data record all info anyway. These people want a blanket freedom to track all drone flights regardless of if it's a legal flight or not.
What's to stop you from tracking pilots who go flying, and then go home and power up their drone to update firmware, and now you know where they live. That is terrifying !!!!
hi chriswall, have you become a flat earther yet?
don't buy DJI then, you can build one
THIS HAS KILLED DJI, I will never purchase another DJI drone. From now on I will only be involved in home development and building. This is the start of the underground drone community and as such will speed up unrestricted development of drones with no drone ID or geofencing. Using the mobile phone system instead of normal remote control radio systems or any other radio or inferred connections. This will change drones forever and make them far MORE difficult to govern. By DJI.
So intrusive on just kids flying a drone in the back yard. The govt is so scared of everything I swear. This video literally sucked the fun out of drone fraying. It’s a money grab I get but still privacy is privacy
The gov't is scared of the possibility of not having total control over anything and everything... drone flying as a hobby included.
This is why I enrolled, completed this course, got my T-Shirt and continue to follow this page! Always ahead of the curve with the latest info and news!
me too! part 107 gang 😃😃
Your still being watched not cool
@@Dangling_Carrot In case you haven't noticed, people are BEGGING to be watched these days. This will be the tiktok of the skys. Imagine a UAV social credit system or social media device where we can socialize and have our info stolen at the same time! Wow yay wooo!
Remember, when he said that the information is not available to the general public he means it is not available from his company. You do not need any permission from anyone including the FAA or FCC to set up your own tracking system if you really wanted to and know how. There are products out there like the Radio Direction Finder DF2020T that can quickly and easily find your drone and your remote control.
Yes you can. I've been looking at tracking in 2020
Question:
Does this also work with 4 years old drones?
Yes, it tracks all DJI drones regardless of age.
Morals: Don't buy/fly shitty DJI. Fly homemade drones.