@@kaan898 how much does passat chassis differ from phaeton? Since vw phaeton was the most rigid passenger car back then, and they dont look much different.
Not stable but breaking well. Peugeot breaking well from high speed and finish good. of course ESP was programed to pass test near 70kph. Passat and mercedes can not have handling for pass
@@dan612 The slightly better performance could be because the non-hybrid is lighter. Probably not that different chassis and ESP systems, but weight is a factor.
People with no experience have no idea how hard it is to bring the car back from such an event at high speeds. This happens to an average Joe, Joe is in the gutter somewhere.
Actually not entirely true, in some countries (for example Sweden, where this channel comes from) they have compulsory "slip way tests". Meaning, you cant get your driving license without having done a slippery conditions and special manoeuvring course, where situations like these are being practised in several different conditions. So average Joe might know what to do, depending where Joe comes from.
@@dzengerink I heard Joes in Finland take two years to pass the driving exam. Joes there definitely won't fail a flick. Yeah, 75 kph with a 1.5 - 2 ton vehicle is really fast.
Disagree. You might think you are a good driver but the car does most of the work XD. Here is a link for stability control: ruclips.net/video/7-2UAfsbyZo/видео.html
"Hallo Manfred, you have to develop the ESP Software for the Passat GTE until Friday, ok?" - "Torsten, is there much difference to a normal Passat? Don't think so. I'll send u the code for the normal Passat, no one will notice it."
That is modern management for you. It would be a bit different though, that conversation. "Hello Manfred, you have to develop the ESP Software for the Passat GTE until Friday, ok?" "Are you out of your mind? Do you know what you are saying? That is impossible!" "Do it or you are out of a job next week, we have enough people that want your position, so deliver or get fired" ... Result: see the video
at first i thought "that doesn't seem that bad" but then i saw the comparison on the 508 and i was amazed. either the VW is bad or the 508 is just really good
Agree. Not only this moose’s test, but also acoustic and ride comfort combined with agility. I tested 508 SW and Passat Variant in same day on same tires and same road and 508 was far better. So I ordered one.
@@StopTeoriomSpiskowym Watch this ruclips.net/video/SHJH-Yy402c/видео.html . The 508 only needed ESP assistance at a speed of 90km/h. Meaning the chassis is well tuned and capable of precise maneouvres at a high speed without intervention of ESP that other cars can only dream of. Well done Peugeot.
@@StopTeoriomSpiskowym without grip ESP means nothing. When tyres slide sideways, any braking makes it worse. Besides you can almost see Passat driving on three wheels putting "grip" force from rear to front tyres.
My first car ,23 years ago ,was a Peugeot 305. all round independent suspension. Amazing handling car, 50/50 front to back ,weight distribution. Since then ,I owned a lot of other brands, including powerful BMW s and Mercedes es . But I still remember how good and responsive was that car. I'm not even entering in the 205 GTI territory. :)
Car with independent suspension is nothing new. But that 50/50 weight distribution is not good for street car and is reason, why so many bmw-s have crashed and killed all in it. Problem is, that this 50/50 is only with empty car. If you have on back seat three persons, then weight distribution is 30/70 and handling is getting worse. It is bad surprise to driver, who driving alone some faimiliar corners, now with fully loaded car, it suddenly become very oversteering and goes off very easily on same speed, where he alone were no problem. Other cars with 70/30 opposite, their handling gets better, when car is loaded as weight distribution gets closer to 50/50 and no such surprises.
@@SiiliViin the problem with the BMW cars ,is more deep then that . Aldo I owned and still own one ,I can sai that they are so bad engineered on the chassi side . The suspension have a pivot tendency, when it is passing a point in the flexion. That's what the car is changing the behaviour so fast from under to over steering. This kind of suspense behaviour, I have not seen in other cars. And I drove even the Notorious Porsches ,with that pendulum effect,are much more safer then a bmw is. On the newest generation starting from F series bmw ,they corrected a bit this problem.
Not fair, the GTE has more weight on the back of the car due to the batteries so the weight distribution is different than the standard Passat SW, it's stupid to compare it to a non-hybrid Peugeot 508
I'm afraid it's the future, new cars doesn't tend to get much better these days, only more complicated which make them worse during time, and that goes for all big manufacturers. Those damn error codes destroys it all.
(Commented the same on Superb IV test) I have a prefacelift GTE with 245 tyres in width instead of factory 235 and gone over to Pirelli P Zero, day and night difference and way less body roll. Behaves almost like a hatch
Just a update. I bought sport tyrrs to my car+up from 18" to 19" and been at such situations and driven a lot races etc. the car is like a Golf R. Never been into such well handling car with this size. I have Goodyear F1 Eagle SuperSport 245/40-19" (like Michelin PS4S, but better in rain)
@@danielrauer5864 Not race on track but street races, like crazy ones and with many cars.😅 The Passat GTE with right tyres, its just like an hatchback in corners + its FWD the power output at 60-120 is awesome👍🏼 its impressive, not bad at all…
@@StopTeoriomSpiskowym But still it is the leader of this test at the moment! Every other car company has ESP Working like this, but the peugeot just goes balls to the wall and blows the competition away.
Stop Teoriom Spiskowym Not only this moose’s test, but also acoustic and ride comfort combined with agility. I tested 508 SW and Passat Variant in same day on same tires and same road and 508 was far better. So I ordered one.
Tires obviusly plays a big role in this test. The more aggressive the compound the better the car will perform, but at the expence of road noise, comfort and thread wear. Is this taken into account before performing the test?
The GTE is just shit in terms of handling (i have one) - the ~300kg battery is in the trunk and makes the tail gain some serious momentum when it gets loose. Real life demonstration: my old car was fwd A6 avant (2017) - with that, i could drive the highway exit at my home ~100km/h with a grin on my face. Changed it to 2018 Passat GTE, it has the same summerwheels and driving the same highway exit at 70kmh makes me nearly piss my pants. Its a nice car on a straight or higway, but for sure it does not like to change direction
@@piciu256 The Passat GTE has DCC with Adaptive Chassis Control and Independent computer controlled Adaptive Dumpers ... so one can choose a mode to stiffen the suspension and the car does the rest, I bet they turn the DCC off.
@@BUNKERPT the regular Passat Variant is equally bad with a 2-liter diesel engine. So no it is not the hybrid only. Check km77 channel for the regular Passat Variant. The car simply is poorly designed and unsafe.
@@Manakuski Sorry but, which part of "Passat GTE has DCC " don't you understand ? If they put the DCC to Sport (or even Confort) mode the car will NOT DO what you see in this video. The Variant TDI does not have DCC. Nevertheless, did the car rollover ? Did the car spined uncontrolled, did the car even pose any threat even if it hit a couple of pins ? NO !! And and then there is still the question of "did that driver" ever/understand the car deliberately ?
GTE likes to oversteer, tried a fast corner in the snow and was surprised to see it go sideways easily, with ESP on, that can't be switched of as a matter of fact.
Thats really interesting test. But in real life, hard to imagine possibility do the same stuff, especially on higher speed by average driver, that's maneuver requires a good accuracy
This test is strongly influenced by the ESC/ ESP - ASR/ TCS standard settings. Would really like to see how all these cars perform with those assistants turned off
@@SkyzzV_ It's not a useless test. It shows how inherently good the suspension setup/design is and how much of that has to be compensated for with advanced electronics (hiding the problem in a way).
Not according to this test though. The reviewer notes that it did not need intervention of the ESP till 90km/h. ruclips.net/video/SHJH-Yy402c/видео.html
Mostly likly due to the batteries in the car making the weight diffrent compared to the normal Passat and also i notice that the 508 isn't a hybrid so it's probebly a lot lighter then the hybrids whitch makes it more nimble
I've just looked up and there run flats from Continental that's all I could get. We all know run flat tyres are poor for cornering as there really just for motorway miles. They just don't grip like normal tyre's due to the solid rubber band inside giving less tyre travel on compression like this moose test proves. There just to stiff and uncomfortable, many reviews quote this. Hope this answers your question 👍🏻
@@1982james111 all BMWs come with run flat tyres and none of them failed test, Opel grandland X (suv) with some cheap tyres barely scratched cone while driving 82 kmph, so its all about engineers
Shame on you VW, even the Dacia Duster manages the moose test better than this and it has 210mm of ground clearance and is based on a 20 year old Renault platform!
You need to came clean and say in what mode were they driving (GTE mode, Spoty mode, Eco mode, etc) and the DCC settings, as well as all the other driving aids, the GTE user can choose from a VAST range of settings, that DOES affect the dampers and chassis ... do you even know that ???
You know what the best performing car of all time is on this test? Have a guess. Porsche Cayman? BMW M2? Megane RS? Nope...it's a freaking Nissan Qashqai diesel, FWD version too. So...that much for how relevant this test is, or are we gonna say the Qashqai FWD SUV handles better than any other car in the world, when it clearly doesn't when you drive it... This is a SUPER-SPECIFIC test where cars can perform great or bad in, and it tells you nothing about how the car handles in other situations. This is more down to the tuning of the ESP system and what tires the car has (and this probably has some eco shit), than about the car itself.
True, but it is test, where you can evaluate how your car react during critical moments, which can actualy happened.... Then you know the propability, about how you ended fucked up when you meet something to avoid on road, and this car got low limits from its own creators. As nearly 99% of VAG cars. There Cost Cuts Wins, you know......
@@franktechmaniac7488 It was 85kph, not 95. But you are right: no electronic stability program, but a hydraulic one: The Activa-called anti-roll mechanism together with the Hydractiv system. Very good, but very complex.
Not entirely true. The moose test has several categories of tests and is more forgiving on SUV's with dimensions differing to cater for poorer dynamics of the SUV's. As at now the 508 tops the hybrids at 78, tops the non-hybrids at 91, and Peugeot tops the hatches with the 308/corsa etc, only the new 208 that was satisfactory but didn't top. Why reviewers dont consider them as driver's cars is another topic for discussion.
The C-Class looks to have the AMG Sport Pkg which has a really stiff suspension set-up, rides like a go-kart, not great for family but great for .. this. I've driven one for a while and it is much stiffer and smaller than the Passat.
@@piciu256 They DONT NEED to "rebalance" the suspension since the car has DCC with Adaptive Dampers and one can chose the settings, the car in GTE or Sport mode has a total different behavior !! Now if one puts the DCC setting to zero (like they probably did in this test) that was intentional misleading.
Reliability too. My old 206 blew an oil seal, only problem in 6 years and it has a hard life. Many people I work with have audi, vw and skoda,These things are constant money pits.never thought I would say a French car is good but it has proved it. 👍
Graham Rushin I’ve had several passats in the last span of 12 years (company car) and the only issue i ever had with one was a front left bearing getting worn out (and thats after 560k km) so i have to disagree with you. Imo passats are extremely reliable
@@francis2743 hi, my peugeot is 21 years old, I'm the 3rd owner and you say you have had several vw's.you don't keep them very long for a reason I guess
You cant compare thesecars. The passat weights 300kg more then the other 2. Especially the passat got smaller or even the same seized tires. A good compare were the e class t modell hybrid, the peugeot 508sw hybrid and the skoda superb iV. But thats bullshit
What's wrong with vw as a whole, even auoerb failed the test....i think its their transversely mounted drivetrain making it front end heavy... For vehicle that's this long
This test looks strange. Perform same test on ice, then we see, which car can handle it, as at moment ESP breaks heavily that peugeot and mercedes, while vw let driver to drive it(I prefer any time without esp or other handicapped system car). On ice that braking will throw these cars off the road or into obstacle in front directly.
Conjecture!. There are so many over variables that can be called into play here, suspension set-up/tyres/weight distribution...many many things. Also the driver plays a big part in the equation.
The 508 is like a racecar in comparison in this test.
Peugeot's chassis have always been the best
or, it has a better calibrated esp
Sport cars fail this kind of testing because of less agressive stability control systems. It really doesn't say a lot about real handling.
passat chassis have always been flimsy,even the roof infrastructure is weaker ,meaning less rigidity ,failure inevitable
@@kaan898 how much does passat chassis differ from phaeton? Since vw phaeton was the most rigid passenger car back then, and they dont look much different.
The hybrid system doesn’t seem to help much, the 508 looks really stable though
I doubt hybrid system is at fault here, 2.0TSI non-hybrid Passat Variant behaved the same on km77's moose test.
@@arekb5951 It passed it at 73 km/h . Not great but not as bad as the GTE
@@dan612 it does if it ends up understeering
Not stable but breaking well. Peugeot breaking well from high speed and finish good. of course ESP was programed to pass test near 70kph. Passat and mercedes can not have handling for pass
@@dan612 The slightly better performance could be because the non-hybrid is lighter. Probably not that different chassis and ESP systems, but weight is a factor.
People with no experience have no idea how hard it is to bring the car back from such an event at high speeds. This happens to an average Joe, Joe is in the gutter somewhere.
Da znaš
Actually not entirely true, in some countries (for example Sweden, where this channel comes from) they have compulsory "slip way tests". Meaning, you cant get your driving license without having done a slippery conditions and special manoeuvring course, where situations like these are being practised in several different conditions. So average Joe might know what to do, depending where Joe comes from.
45 mph is not high speed.
@@dzengerink I heard Joes in Finland take two years to pass the driving exam. Joes there definitely won't fail a flick. Yeah, 75 kph with a 1.5 - 2 ton vehicle is really fast.
Disagree. You might think you are a good driver but the car does most of the work XD.
Here is a link for stability control: ruclips.net/video/7-2UAfsbyZo/видео.html
"Hallo Manfred, you have to develop the ESP Software for the Passat GTE until Friday, ok?" - "Torsten, is there much difference to a normal Passat? Don't think so. I'll send u the code for the normal Passat, no one will notice it."
Henning, das reichts, es siezt so.... 😁
That is modern management for you. It would be a bit different though, that conversation.
"Hello Manfred, you have to develop the ESP Software for the Passat GTE until Friday, ok?"
"Are you out of your mind? Do you know what you are saying? That is impossible!"
"Do it or you are out of a job next week, we have enough people that want your position, so deliver or get fired"
...
Result: see the video
Ahh so vw allows to take some corners with scandinavian flick ;P interesting
looks surprising neutral
This may end as a Scandinavian Fail on the public roads...
the other cars were not hybrid
Ah, you’re a man of culture I see
@@roby054 these hybrid cars all of them fail because of the weight in the back.
teknikens Värld: it's unsafe
Me: drifty boi
You call that a fail, I call that a nicely done Scandinavian flick! (seriously, though... vw, get your stuff together... )
Almost Aaltonen :)
looks quite safe to me
well it supposed to be a sporty hybrid. some oversteer with such agressive steering inputs may be wanted.
at first i thought "that doesn't seem that bad" but then i saw the comparison on the 508 and i was amazed. either the VW is bad or the 508 is just really good
Both
508 has by far the best chassis and stabilty on road in its class. It's known. They used it to show how it's supposed to look like.
Correct programing ESP does not mean stability
@@StopTeoriomSpiskowym man, esp even stands for electronic STABILITY CONTROL
@@michael787t ESP = Electronic Stability Program.
Agree. Not only this moose’s test, but also acoustic and ride comfort combined with agility. I tested 508 SW and Passat Variant in same day on same tires and same road and 508 was far better. So I ordered one.
@@StopTeoriomSpiskowym Watch this ruclips.net/video/SHJH-Yy402c/видео.html . The 508 only needed ESP assistance at a speed of 90km/h. Meaning the chassis is well tuned and capable of precise maneouvres at a high speed without intervention of ESP that other cars can only dream of. Well done Peugeot.
OMG the 508 has a LOT of grip!
Grip? Not grip it breaking with ESP so hard like this mercedes.
@@StopTeoriomSpiskowym without grip ESP means nothing. When tyres slide sideways, any braking makes it worse.
Besides you can almost see Passat driving on three wheels putting "grip" force from rear to front tyres.
this is a important test to me because that's how i take mini roundabouts.
Yes😈
My first car ,23 years ago ,was a Peugeot 305. all round independent suspension. Amazing handling car, 50/50 front to back ,weight distribution. Since then ,I owned a lot of other brands, including powerful BMW s and Mercedes es . But I still remember how good and responsive was that car. I'm not even entering in the 205 GTI territory. :)
Car with independent suspension is nothing new. But that 50/50 weight distribution is not good for street car and is reason, why so many bmw-s have crashed and killed all in it. Problem is, that this 50/50 is only with empty car. If you have on back seat three persons, then weight distribution is 30/70 and handling is getting worse. It is bad surprise to driver, who driving alone some faimiliar corners, now with fully loaded car, it suddenly become very oversteering and goes off very easily on same speed, where he alone were no problem. Other cars with 70/30 opposite, their handling gets better, when car is loaded as weight distribution gets closer to 50/50 and no such surprises.
I had a 306.back in earlier 2000...best car ever.
@@SiiliViin the problem with the BMW cars ,is more deep then that . Aldo I owned and still own one ,I can sai that they are so bad engineered on the chassi side . The suspension have a pivot tendency, when it is passing a point in the flexion. That's what the car is changing the behaviour so fast from under to over steering. This kind of suspense behaviour, I have not seen in other cars. And I drove even the Notorious Porsches ,with that pendulum effect,are much more safer then a bmw is. On the newest generation starting from F series bmw ,they corrected a bit this problem.
Not fair, the GTE has more weight on the back of the car due to the batteries so the weight distribution is different than the standard Passat SW, it's stupid to compare it to a non-hybrid Peugeot 508
And the GTE has DCC with adaptive chassis control and adaptive dampers, I bet they put the DCC in the OFF setting !!!
Jeep Wrangler needs to fail the moose test!
New passat version RWD 😅
It’s the only “ RWD” that fails the test lol
A comparison with other PHEVs would be nice in order to see how the VW group's competitors handle the dynamic behaviour of their plug-ins. :-)
This was a comparison of MB and Peugeot PHEVs
If a merc can turn better it is a disgrace really.................
? Even a heavy AMG GT 63 clocks the Ring faster than most super sports cars.... wtf u talking
This is totally unacceptable !. This is a VW passat and should never happen! Its not a 20 year old PASSAT! Its a new one!
I'm afraid it's the future, new cars doesn't tend to get much better these days, only more complicated which make them worse during time, and that goes for all big manufacturers. Those damn error codes destroys it all.
Its pass at 73kph
(Commented the same on Superb IV test) I have a prefacelift GTE with 245 tyres in width instead of factory 235 and gone over to Pirelli P Zero, day and night difference and way less body roll. Behaves almost like a hatch
I was thinking it have to do with VAG's choice of tyre maker
Same here. And eibach springs, now it feels like My old golf 7.5
Just a update.
I bought sport tyrrs to my car+up from 18" to 19" and been at such situations and driven a lot races etc. the car is like a Golf R. Never been into such well handling car with this size.
I have Goodyear F1 Eagle SuperSport 245/40-19" (like Michelin PS4S, but better in rain)
@@DSGAuto You have driven races with Passat GTE? Are you sure that you are talking about racing?
@@danielrauer5864 Not race on track but street races, like crazy ones and with many cars.😅
The Passat GTE with right tyres, its just like an hatchback in corners + its FWD the power output at 60-120 is awesome👍🏼 its impressive, not bad at all…
Peugeot 👌👍
Peugeot 508 sooo nice! Looks like a shark! So modern!
Is the 508 also hybrid? I think the batteries are the problem here.
peugeot is the best in this testdrive
Its only hard breaking with ESP
@@StopTeoriomSpiskowym But still it is the leader of this test at the moment! Every other car company has ESP Working like this, but the peugeot just goes balls to the wall and blows the competition away.
@@HardcoreA1 is the peugeot also hybrid? Dont know, but a hybrid weights more, or iam wrong?
@@nein.9249 it doesn't say in the test but it even beats the Skoda superb which is no hybrid at all
Stop Teoriom Spiskowym Not only this moose’s test, but also acoustic and ride comfort combined with agility. I tested 508 SW and Passat Variant in same day on same tires and same road and 508 was far better. So I ordered one.
How is this fair given the cars are of different body types in the first place!
Thank God you did not throw in an SUV into the comparison :-D
Car dealer: Sehr gepflegt worden. Reality: joa
Theres soo much that goes into a test like this. Adjusting car settings can even help this.
I used to this was a bs test but when you actually see how well some of the top performers handle it, it makes sense
Tires obviusly plays a big role in this test. The more aggressive the compound the better the car will perform, but at the expence of road noise, comfort and thread wear. Is this taken into account before performing the test?
Probably same or as similiar as possible tire on all cars.
It's the inherent handling they want a baseline on, not the tires afterall.
The GTE is just shit in terms of handling (i have one) - the ~300kg battery is in the trunk and makes the tail gain some serious momentum when it gets loose.
Real life demonstration: my old car was fwd A6 avant (2017) - with that, i could drive the highway exit at my home ~100km/h with a grin on my face. Changed it to 2018 Passat GTE, it has the same summerwheels and driving the same highway exit at 70kmh makes me nearly piss my pants.
Its a nice car on a straight or higway, but for sure it does not like to change direction
can it be caused by extra weight of batterys? (cus of gte)
Might be, but it doesn't have to be the case, mayby they didn't rebalance the suspension for added weight.
No.Isn't weight the problem,it's chasiss
ruclips.net/video/qukAOirO_SE/видео.html
@@piciu256 The Passat GTE has DCC with Adaptive Chassis Control and Independent computer controlled Adaptive Dumpers ... so one can choose a mode to stiffen the suspension and the car does the rest, I bet they turn the DCC off.
@@BUNKERPT the regular Passat Variant is equally bad with a 2-liter diesel engine. So no it is not the hybrid only. Check km77 channel for the regular Passat Variant. The car simply is poorly designed and unsafe.
@@Manakuski Sorry but, which part of "Passat GTE has DCC " don't you understand ? If they put the DCC to Sport (or even Confort) mode the car will NOT DO what you see in this video. The Variant TDI does not have DCC.
Nevertheless, did the car rollover ? Did the car spined uncontrolled, did the car even pose any threat even if it hit a couple of pins ? NO !! And and then there is still the question of "did that driver" ever/understand the car deliberately ?
Was the 508 also a PHEV? Because that makes a huge difference in weight.
These tests are bullshit.
Yes. The non hybrid posted 94km/h.
Try some different tires
GTE likes to oversteer, tried a fast corner in the snow and was surprised to see it go sideways easily, with ESP on, that can't be switched of as a matter of fact.
Thats really interesting test. But in real life, hard to imagine possibility do the same stuff, especially on higher speed by average driver, that's maneuver requires a good accuracy
??? Obviously in real life you wont do the test but you could have the need to avoid a car or a person
@340bärgarN country roooooooooad
This test is strongly influenced by the ESC/ ESP - ASR/ TCS standard settings. Would really like to see how all these cars perform with those assistants turned off
Would be a useless test, since a driver shouldn’t turn those assistants off while driving since they save lives... utterly useless test
@@SkyzzV_ It's not a useless test. It shows how inherently good the suspension setup/design is and how much of that has to be compensated for with advanced electronics (hiding the problem in a way).
Not according to this test though. The reviewer notes that it did not need intervention of the ESP till 90km/h. ruclips.net/video/SHJH-Yy402c/видео.html
At first I was like "Lol Peugeot would beat this VW's ass easily" and then the 508 shows up and does beat not only the VW but the Merc too :D
Looks like the Passats stability control hasn't been adjusted to compensate for the GTEs added weight of the batteries at the rear.
Are the 508 and C Klass PHEVs? How is this comparable? Why not compare those with the normal Passat?
Mostly likly due to the batteries in the car making the weight diffrent compared to the normal Passat and also i notice that the 508 isn't a hybrid so it's probebly a lot lighter then the hybrids whitch makes it more nimble
Did you type this while having a stroke?
@@trevn__ no but i have fat fingers so i press 2 kets at the same time on my phone 🤣
non hybrid failed test too
The 508 non hybrid posted 94km/h
I really thing there Is some brake settings to work on , not such a huge problem
Could you please check which tyres the VW Passat were on? Thanks
I've just looked up and there run flats from Continental that's all I could get.
We all know run flat tyres are poor for cornering as there really just for motorway miles.
They just don't grip like normal tyre's due to the solid rubber band inside giving less tyre travel on compression like this moose test proves. There just to stiff and uncomfortable, many reviews quote this.
Hope this answers your question 👍🏻
@@1982james111 You mean flex, not travel.
@@1982james111 all BMWs come with run flat tyres and none of them failed test, Opel grandland X (suv) with some cheap tyres barely scratched cone while driving 82 kmph, so its all about engineers
@@BeZzeMa you are right as it's a number of factors including tyre's and engineering
I want to see my 20 year old F150 do the moose test
The results just came in:
F150 vs Moose - 1:0
I think the 150 only are able to do it once 😁
Titanic only sank because it tried to avoid the iceberg ;)
On high pressure gas shocks and still fails in the test...
I think they should start thinking of switching suspension supplier
Shame on you VW, even the Dacia Duster manages the moose test better than this and it has 210mm of ground clearance and is based on a 20 year old Renault platform!
Duster is Nissan. And the same nissan work better with ESP. 20 years ESP program
Hybrid's are heavier then normal cars.
They're all hybrids.
@@Ultranium1 now I see in description, but they didn't put it in video.
O Peugeot 508 parece estar sobre um trilho de trem. Perfeito!
More damped front shock and more rear camber gain will help, can’t help but wonder the weight bias as it really likes to slide
Shouldn’t the reference be to a normal Passat?
Gör en med V60/V90. Hade varit sjukt intressant att se hur de presterar
De presterar bra. V60 T6 Twin Engine klarar godkänt, dock inte med stor marginal. 72 km/h.
@@teknikensvarld 72 is no good for Volvos any source ? 🤔
Why are you using non ev cars which don't have heavy batteries to compare? You may as well use a hgv and a Lotus Elise 😂
Bmw x4 passed at 77kph and has the same weight, plus it is taller
@@rotorblade9508 Not the same weight distribution. They need to compare ev's with ev's.
@@jledge8715 I think cars should be safe irregardless of their powertrain or weight distribution.
Both 508 and C-klasse are hybrids too, just read the description.
@@Ultranium1 I see that now, thanks for highlighting it.
now do saab 9-5
Saab is dead fortunately, isn’t it
Passat GTE has more weight then those other cars... you need to test same or similar cars, not ones that have 200-300 kgs less then the GTE
You need to came clean and say in what mode were they driving (GTE mode, Spoty mode, Eco mode, etc) and the DCC settings, as well as all the other driving aids, the GTE user can choose from a VAST range of settings, that DOES affect the dampers and chassis ... do you even know that ???
Not all GTEs are equipped with adaptive dampers, mine definitely isin't and it's a pretty high spec. Also not 2 others I test drove.
@@s2000. NOT TRUE !!!!! This is the "Est" trim level and IT DOES HAVE DCC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But but but it's a Volkswagen, the pinnacle of mid-range German engineering that every middle class suburbanite strives for in life!!
Try this on snow and you really see how dangerous the GTE is. Worst wintercar I ever had, it is understeering extremely.
well that goes for the majority of hybrid cars
please get some equipment for the microphone to get rid of the wind noise...
Are they on the same tyres?
Please put some foam on the mike, the wind sound hurts.
I have been driving for 30 years and I never made a turn like that.
You know what the best performing car of all time is on this test? Have a guess. Porsche Cayman? BMW M2? Megane RS? Nope...it's a freaking Nissan Qashqai diesel, FWD version too. So...that much for how relevant this test is, or are we gonna say the Qashqai FWD SUV handles better than any other car in the world, when it clearly doesn't when you drive it...
This is a SUPER-SPECIFIC test where cars can perform great or bad in, and it tells you nothing about how the car handles in other situations. This is more down to the tuning of the ESP system and what tires the car has (and this probably has some eco shit), than about the car itself.
True, but it is test, where you can evaluate how your car react during critical moments, which can actualy happened.... Then you know the propability, about how you ended fucked up when you meet something to avoid on road, and this car got low limits from its own creators. As nearly 99% of VAG cars. There Cost Cuts Wins, you know......
I learned that the all time best performing car is the Citroen Xantia, FWD, no electronic stability program. 95 kph.
@@franktechmaniac7488, simple mechanical things, are the best. This is what i learned in my whole life.
@@franktechmaniac7488 It was 85kph, not 95. But you are right: no electronic stability program, but a hydraulic one: The Activa-called anti-roll mechanism together with the Hydractiv system. Very good, but very complex.
Not entirely true. The moose test has several categories of tests and is more forgiving on SUV's with dimensions differing to cater for poorer dynamics of the SUV's. As at now the 508 tops the hybrids at 78, tops the non-hybrids at 91, and Peugeot tops the hatches with the 308/corsa etc, only the new 208 that was satisfactory but didn't top. Why reviewers dont consider them as driver's cars is another topic for discussion.
How about Citroen xantia activa...
The world famous moose test record holder, tested by us in 1999.
The complete list: teknikensvarld.se/algtest/
@@teknikensvarld do you have a video from that Xantia Activa too?
@@hobizoli Nope, we didn't film back then, and the Internet wasn't really what it is today :)
@@teknikensvarld i'm sad... ;)
@@teknikensvarld now put some bike rack at the end :)
How can the GTE do it so badly? Maybe its because of the heavy batterie?
how much difference can the tires make here ?
not much, but these tests are bullshit.
you need to fix that irritating windnoise
How does the non GTE B8 Passat perform compared to this model?
There is also a test of the normal Passat: ruclips.net/video/qukAOirO_SE/видео.html (little bit better)
New Hilux 2021 ?
But why?
What was thé Mercedes model?
I want buy it!
German engineering 🤣
(But the Mercedes did it? And that’s peak German engineering)
Now test American market cars, trucks and SUVs. - - - - Yep, that's what I expected...
Is this test being run with ESP activated?
@Thu Nell Ⓥ Prove that the ESP is on and that the DCC is at least on the "Normal" setting !
@Thu Nell Ⓥ If the ESP is on this car's behaviour is unacceptable. Don't you think?
What a stupid comparison. The passat GTE is a Plug in hybrid and the 508 a petrol car
VW simply does not care about this test, it's unbelievable
The C-Class looks to have the AMG Sport Pkg which has a really stiff suspension set-up, rides like a go-kart, not great for family but great for .. this. I've driven one for a while and it is much stiffer and smaller than the Passat.
Martin Svensson it isn‘t. The Passat is a lot bigger, almost the same size of a E-class
Martin Svensson they aren‘t. Owned both cars and the Passat is a lot bigger.
but the Passat weights more due to the batteries right?, so its actually not that bad
It's bad, they didn't rebalance the suspension for added weight mayby?
i also dont know but it looks like that all the weight is in the back and the physics happen
@@piciu256 They DONT NEED to "rebalance" the suspension since the car has DCC with Adaptive Dampers and one can chose the settings, the car in GTE or Sport mode has a total different behavior !! Now if one puts the DCC setting to zero (like they probably did in this test) that was intentional misleading.
Now repeat the test with all electronics Off on both the Peugeot and the VW
Look at the bright side... atleast it can pull a drift if you want to show off your stationwagon to your friends.
What about vw atlas ?
а давай возьмём пассат с полным приводом?
Not looking too good here with Peugeot doing better, VW fix it.
Reliability too. My old 206 blew an oil seal, only problem in 6 years and it has a hard life. Many people I work with have audi, vw and skoda,These things are constant money pits.never thought I would say a French car is good but it has proved it. 👍
Graham Rushin I’ve had several passats in the last span of 12 years (company car) and the only issue i ever had with one was a front left bearing getting worn out (and thats after 560k km) so i have to disagree with you. Imo passats are extremely reliable
@@francis2743 hi, my peugeot is 21 years old, I'm the 3rd owner and you say you have had several vw's.you don't keep them very long for a reason I guess
Keeping a VW for long is not for the faint hearted and financially challenged.
You cant compare thesecars. The passat weights 300kg more then the other 2. Especially the passat got smaller or even the same seized tires. A good compare were the e class t modell hybrid, the peugeot 508sw hybrid and the skoda superb iV.
But thats bullshit
Does it really matter? If you do this in real traffic, you are done anyway. Better to brake and go for frontal impact.
The PSA group is the best in this test
The test should be compared with other electric car’s, the weight distribution it’s not the same on combustion car’s
exactly
508 and mondeo devastating vw and skoda
This looks like a tire issue to me...
Many cars at 1700kg+ like this can pass on average at 77kph
Looks to me like the vw need a stiffer suspension for that wight
Thats what happens when people do not give a shit about safety and just buy a car based on the infotainment system.
this is a hybrid car, the others are not. different tire compound, tire size, tire pressures. these tests are not scientific.
What's wrong with vw as a whole, even auoerb failed the test....i think its their transversely mounted drivetrain making it front end heavy... For vehicle that's this long
No worries, VW will fix it by placing a cheat software..... 😂😂😂
The same like Superb iV but little bit better
i think
It depends even of the driver
In a German test every VAG car is always the best...strange :D
the s class wasnt that far off just some more weight to plant it!
This test looks strange. Perform same test on ice, then we see, which car can handle it, as at moment ESP breaks heavily that peugeot and mercedes, while vw let driver to drive it(I prefer any time without esp or other handicapped system car). On ice that braking will throw these cars off the road or into obstacle in front directly.
Conjecture!. There are so many over variables that can be called into play here, suspension set-up/tyres/weight distribution...many many things. Also the driver plays a big part in the equation.
Look the wheels, purposely missing with vw. Owner video is 🤥🤥
Very cool knowledge,
Could you try to pass the test on BMW X5 f15 2.5d (2.0 tdi 218-231hp)
Get hold of new equipment. The wind noise is hurting my ears and head. Teknikens Värld feiler på produksjon.
Now this is podracing
Same like superb with same plattform
Volkswagen gave up on dynamics long ago