And while we're wishing for perfection, ...Novation, please add small OLED screens under those encoders, like Korg did (of course, Korg left out encoders).
if they are being environmentally conscious, then they will provide Midi 2.0 support as a firmware update such that we don't get a million midi controllers on the landfill the day Midi 2.0 is ready. However it's sad that they don't at least give a timeline for this hypothetical firmware update or come with a statement that says whether or not they will commit to it.
@@lbGkifoo1bj12e9plhjfWA I would expect that from Novation, not sure NI or Arturia would rather prefer keeping their own sw integration ecosystem or not 🤷🏻♂️
For the money, these Novation Launchkeys look great, but I'm looking to spend more for a feature set that doesn't exist yet. Arturia's latest release for the Keylab mk3s was disappointing for me.
@@moosemuseum1853 Sooo disappointing. All I want is a good controller for the v collection and I can't even get it from the people that make the v collection 😂
I would love to see your "module" idea exist without the need of a saw. all the functionality there in the little top bar of the mini is about all I need!
yes they used to have the novation SL zero which was exactly that (with screens under every knobs); don't know why there's no option like this (I'm not super interested by the pad controllers either)
@@BeniRoseMusic honestly they always had the best ableton integration and they outdone themselves with these new keyboards; being able to directly use the sequencer and the advanced transport function could be very handy. it's a shame there's a shitty keyboard attached to it really; I'm half-tempted to get the mini 25 on top of my keystep. also controlling the volumes with encoders seems more useful that having faders that will jump value.
Quality review as always ♥ The step sequencer with all the edit functions is exactly what I wanted as an update to the MK3 version. Such a great update! I might even prefer this over my Push 3 controller tbh.
@@canadianmoose2006 I think the SL MK3 came out in in between the LaunchKey 2 and 3. It's weird that they have updated the Launchkey twice before the SL. I was definitely hoping the announcement today was going to be a new SL 🫤.
Mine arrive yesterday so back here learning what I can about it. Found it a bit hard to understand at first but once I got going it's all good. I'm very impressed by just how much you get for so little money. I had been tossing up between this, Kontrol s49 mk3 and MPC Key61. Have yet to try it into MPC Live2 but suspect the end result will not vary much from Key61. A few extra features and a few less synths but they may come on sale Black Friday anyway. While I see the attraction to a keyless version ( I also felt the same about the Korg Wavestate) I do not mind as I have an older NI Kontrol s88 and this makes a good portable controller. Thanks for this review loopop. Formed part of an informed purchasing choice and I know it's going to double as a good tutorial.
This video has convinced me to to return to my roots and purchase a Tascam Portastudio 488. I want to spend more time composing music and less time mastering technology. Seriously though, thank you for a fantastic video. These modern controllers and DAWs are very impressive. But I think I will stick with my Jupiters, Junos and M1s. Cheers.
The keys feels heavier on this (I have the 37 MK4) on the MK3 the synth action keys are much more pleasing to touch & press the MK4 keybed is harder to press down the keys & transport controls, track select buttons, Shift, etc touching them feels horrible (it's made of rubbery weird thing) Do not buy this the Launchkey 37 MK3 is much better feeling ah and I missed it: the MOD wheel is terrible on the MK4 heavy resistance the MK3's just slides smoothly
Awesome review! As soon as I saw the form factor I thought "this is the real deal". I'm sad about the mini model key bed based on your report though. A spongy feeling is not the description I was hoping for to describe that key bed! It's regrettable considering how close this little controller comes to perfection. I can't think of a mini keyboard that can compete with this feature set at this point though, even considering Arturia's Keystep CV connectivity / after-touch stuff. Let's see what Arturia does now!
Also just an FYI, I had to reformat this comment's content twice for it not to be filtered by the automated comment moderation system. If you're in favour of freedom of speech I encourage you to disable comments moderation on your videos, because people like me who take time to write engaging comments end up being discouraged to do so due to the odds of being "shadow silenced" for no valid reasons.
Thanks for the kind words about the review. This video is new but for a look at my moderation track record, please look at the comment section of the other two videos I published this week (and all prior videos too) - people are eviscerating both devices for things they dislike about them, and one guy even really hates my guts apparently, and all the comments are live and kicking. Sometimes youtube auto moderates comments, sometimes I block certain keywords to make sure people are saying bad things about the gear and not each other - I look at the moderation queue regularly and approve any false flags. Please have a look and then come back here and let me know if I'm shadow banning negative comments about the gear or me.
@@loopopHey loopop! I'm sorry for not having responded earlier. I absolutely adore you and your channel, and it has never crossed my mind that you were deliberately responsible for the filtering situation I've experienced. I'm also very happy to know that you're actively approving false flags as well! A big reason I'm reviving this comment is because I just discovered that my first gen Arturia Keystep's pitch bend capacitive touch screen was behaving awfully (with clear stepping despite the supposed 14 bit resolution for pitch bend in typical MIDI implementation) when testing/recording pitch bend data in Ableton. I'm extremely interested in the mini version of the Launchkey MK4 (in tandem with my iPad Pro + Digitakt + Digitone setup as that's what I'm dedicated to on my YT channel if you're curious), with the clear intent of using the pitchbend. If it turns out that the mini MK4 versions behave similarly to what I discovered with my 1st gen Keystep's capacitive strips, it would be a deal breaker for me because I'm not prepared to put a full sized keyboard on my desk just to have a physical pitch bend wheel, as even the 25 keys version is way too bulky as an iPad sidekick in the context of my setup. Is there anything useful to know that you could think about regarding the performance of the pitch bend capacitive touch strip on the Launchkey mini MK4 versions, or even about the usability of these keyboards as non official class compliant devices? I was also worried about potentially not being able to remap knobs/pads MIDI CC directly on the device without the editor... Thanks for your time!
@@loopop I was asking if the pitch bend on capacitive touch strips of the mini versions of the Launchkey MK4 actually behave as smoothly as a physical pitch bend wheel, which can be easily assessed by looking at the recorded pitch bend data in a DAW. That's how I discovered the Arturia Keystep (1st gen) was actually a major let down when it comes to the "musicality" of its capacitive pitch bend strip, looking at the data in Ableton there's ridiculous stepping, not at all consistent with a parameter which should have a 14 bit depth... (I'm still curious about the performance of the Launchkey mini MK4 on that front though) Thank you for the clarification on the impossibility to map ccs directly on the MK4, that's already a deal breaker for me...
The idea about a controller only with the pads and the encoders. Please, this. This is the only thing I need and now it makes more sense than ever. You could have an affordable midi controller that take very little space in your desk and gives you a lot of controls like step seq, encoders, etc.
What a beautiful musical ending !! I think I like what I see here.The 2 octaves mini keys version really competes with arturia minilab.and also here missing the repeat note. By all the reviews the keys of the entire line do not seam to hold the game so is comprensible to desire a keyless version of this launch-badkeys
The LaunchKey Mini mk3 is my favorite compact controller of all time. Easily fits in any backpack. Fits between my computer keyboard and monitor. Packed with tons of cool, useful features. The mk4 looks like an awesome upgrade! Can't wait!
@@ZombieLincoln666 It really is. It made the knobs way more useful, since they can now be encoders (screen is required to see the values). The screen also makes it way easier to configure all the settings, and there are many new settings. I got my mk4 a couple weeks ago…love it!
like always…. an IMPECable! video & review.. with bonus music :P . i just got an Arturia MiniLab 3, in order to control external VSTs in Ableton… as it’s got plenty of pots/knobs and faders.. But this one beats it..in Ableton integration, though. I’m gonna send the Arturia back, and get one of these instead. And YES !.. I’d really Prefer the controller without keys, as well.. as i have got a key step, and a proper weighted keys full keyboard. i’d definitely go for that option, if Novation made it available. Bring out that Saw, man ! ;) thank you for being you , as always .. with your videos.. you’ve got a way of making your thing, and it is always solid ! ;)
Awesome recommandation to Novation. I would say, I'd ask the same to NI: could you do just a Hardware with the Komplete Kontrol only, not the key? This way, I would control plugins with its beautiful layout.
I think the module idea is brilliant. Basically a new Lauchpad Pro with all the faders and knobs of Launch Control XL, a screen and all these new arps, chord modes, step sequencer, etc... An APC64 but done better... but yeah I feel you, I really dont want more keys in my studio lol.
I'm surprised by all the focus on aftertouch here - what MIDI keyboard controllers under $500 have aftertouch? The KeyStep series is the only one I know of, and I feel like comparing something with knobs/faders/pads to a KeyStep is a little apples-and-oranges. I assume Novation will update the SL line relatively soon to stay competitive with the premium KeyLab line and that will have aftertouch. Maybe it helps that the only synth I have that I really care about aftertouch with is the Microfreak, and I love playing that thing's goofy little touch keyboard. Personally as someone who had been debating between a KeyLab Essentials mk3 and the LaunchKey mk3, picking up a LaunchKey mk4 seems like a total no-brainer. The MIDI split functionality and the chord/scale functionality are particularly exciting stuff that the Essentials doesn't have. I haven't been super impressed with the out-of-the-box Arturia integrations on my MiniLab (the V Collection always seems to have completely random knob mapping, rather than just using the macros or something), so don't think I'll be missing that.
It’s definitely long in the tooth, older but my AKAI MPK249 has aftertouch, several banks of 8 faders, toggles, and encoders, and several banks of drum pads, as well as transport controls (I don’t really use the latter, TBH), a useful arpeggiator and decent keyboard feel (for me anyway). $379 at Sweetwater when I bought mine. I don’t DAW, so it’s a pretty good solution. Not recommending it for everyone, just saying there are def sub $500 controllers with aftertouch.
Ive watched so many of your videos! Would you ever consider reviewing the Nektar keyboard controllers, seems like all that is missing from the channel - novation, arturia, ni are covered but would really like to see how they wtack up to the panorama from nektar
Thanks for being here! I probably stayed away because I was a bit turned off by the need to load up your plugins into a container, but they're on my radar so let's see when a new generation comes out!
@@loopop Aren't NI doing the same thing with Komplete Kontrol?Anyway I had to ask.. which among Novation,NI & Arturia handles 3rd party Plugins best in your opinion? Do you have to manually assign midi with all of them or are some better than others? I sure hope Nektar release a new line soon since their keyboards are at least 6 years old and I hope Novation also refresh their SL Mk3 .. right now looking at the most current offerings from Novation,NI & Arturia there is room left to be desired all are missing something, Even if they just add some of the features of the new launchkey to the SL it would be a great controller.
@@boyananakiev4896 Yes you're right, NI does that too, and generally speaking I don't like that either, but at least NI make up for it with the browsing and NKS/NKS2 experiences. For live integration indeed Arturia and Novation seem to have the best device controls as far as I remember
Heyyyy Loopop! Thanks as always, for the excellent review. I just picked the Mini 37 up (and will return it). The Play button doesn't send a midi message (I'm a Reaper user-- I like to bind controller buttons to Reaper Actions, as long as the button sends a MIDI CC). The REC button does...... and that makes NO sense, at all. REC button works perfectly in Reaper (Midi Ch. 16, CC 117, which is the standard REC button assignment for most midi controllers). Nice having that, without using HUI or MCU (HUI is so ridiculous and outdated). But... the play button. What in the everloving f--k is their reasoning for this? Also, the absolutely insane, stupid oversight from Novation--- THE ENCODERS CANNOT BE SET TO RELATIVE MODE. How the f--k can they forget this, even with two firmware updates since the release? They offer two banks of encoders, per custom mode, and yet... we can't set the encoders to RELATIVE mode in the editor? Stuff like this drives me NUTS. The controller is damn-near perfect, if that play button sent a MIDI message. I cannot believe the inability to set the encoders to RELATIVE mode. They might as well have just put regular knobs on this, like the MK3. Absolute stupidity.
2nd. What a week! Double updates to the best midi controllers (Arturia yesterday). I greatly appreciate the layout, slider positions, and play controls on the largest model. The screens and feedback offered on these are fantastic. The main downside is that USB-C only for power, if that port gets loose you are effectively screwed.
@@TheGTALover Both Arturia and Novation make great products overall, either of their products are going to be great. It really shows that both did a ton of ergnomics testing on their updates. It seems to have come down to if you want faders on the left or right.
It's hard to decide between the smaller ones. The undo, metronome, loop keys are SORELY missing on the minis (I wish I could reprogram the scale and arp buttons which I will never use). If the 37 key had these buttons, I would go for it. I would go for the bigger 25 key with it's impractical footprint if it had aftertouch.... Great updates, but still incomplete. But I love that the drum pads can have key combinations now, so I will program important ones there.
step in the right direction. would have loved to see the mini 37 have pitch mod wheels and a few extra controls or larger screen with all that free space.
@loopop Did they get rid of the "ellipsis" button and functionality? Would have loved to see whats possible with custom templates in terms of mapping hotkeys and DAW shortcuts to the Launchkey. That's something Novation has always been a leader in and i hope they are continuing to invest there. Thanks for this review!
Thanks! Yes, they got rid of it, but they enabled keystroke mapping in custom templates, so you can create the equivalent functionality yourself and much more in the pads that weren't used in the "..." menu
@@loopop ok, thanks for the info! Would love to see the mapping capabilities in action, as I think this is a really underrated feature. But I'm sure your content schedule is already packed. :)
@@peabodyscientific2082 thanks, yes, it is so a dedicated video isn’t likely, but that’s exactly why I show how to make the mappings in this video and even talk about the arrows
So waiting for both NI and Novation to come out with keyless "controller only" versions of their keyboards. I only bought the NI M32 for its control functions as i already have other keyboards, so i kind of bought its keys with it without actually having a real use for them.
I like how the pads can be used to add notes to the DAW, like a step sequencer. I wonder if Arturia Keylabs MK3 support this kind of input to Ableton? I need to watch the comparison Keylab MK3 video 🙂 Edit: Just came back from the Arturia Keylab comparison video. The Arturias don't have what you'd call step sequencing where the changes live in the DAW. Novation LaunchKey 61 MK4 keys would be my choice from the Launch keys and the competition.
Do the Mini editions have one-piece plastic key assemblies? I'm referring to the kind where the keys are molded together in a set, and to replace a key you must replace a whole set of keys. The previous versions did, and it makes them disposable once the plastic joints start losing strength.
Noticing some companies are experimenting with putting p/m wheels NOT left of keybed, I personally don't like this. I had to buy 49keylab, even though I wanted a 61 because I don't have 23" fingers. Please don't do this on 61's, there is plenty of wasted space I can point to on each to null any argument about 'real estate'. Great vid, loopop...
I never liked the idea of DAW specific keyboards. Since if you’re going to buy one and it’s daw specific and you don’t use it but you love the features of the keyboard it just feels like a waste. That being said I’m getting the 61 key mk4 version this week and I’m excited 😊
Hallo loopop! I bought my LKmk3 thanks to your perfect review! Still am grateful 'cause she's a great mini friend. But I feel I could fall in love with this new one... Is there a User Scale mode like in Arturia keystep37?
Glad it was useful! No user scales here as far as I remember. You can sort of fake it by programming your own pad templates, but that's not the same thing of course
@@loopop I find it a very interesting composition and improvisation tool. I imagine it in combo with the Easy Scale Mode in the new LK, which on the other hand arturia doesn't have (i.e. for extreme ranges of strange arpeggios of minimal 3 or 4 notes scales, etc). You known: when everything seems possible nothing ever seems enough... Well we can always make an official feature request to novation. Or ask you to talk to the guys down there, I'm sure they will listen to you ihihihih 😜
Nice review! (yeah, I feel this is a review, just not one with bald statements, which I can understand because of your position towards manufacturers and which I prefer to these screaming conclusions some will give you) One thing I might have missed or maybe you did not mention, but can you browse presets from the device for Ableton instruments / devices (I can't find it in the manual either) Thanks in advance!?
Thanks! There's no support for browsing presets in terms of search or categories; however, you can map the pads to keyboard arrow keys and use the pads instead of keys
@@tricks-and-tips yeah Push 2 or 3; then there are controllers by Native Instruments, but they only let you browse through presets in plug-ins that support NKS
I'm using mine with a standalone iteration of Dexed, my sp404 mk2 and my microbrute, and I'll tell you its quite fun! Being able to play so many keys on only white keys really opens compositional doors for me, and the midi sync/ controls work pretty well with the 404. I downloaded the ableton live lite but haven't really tried it.
Can you use the step sequencer function in Logic Pro? I’m not an ableton user, and the only thing stopping me from buying the new launchkey is the possibility that the step sequencer wouldn’t be usable in logic. The idea of not using my mouse to make beats on logic is incredibly appealing but I haven’t been able to find any info if the sequencer (that I’d use for drum beats) is usable on logic pro
as I said elsewhere; I want a launch remote which is basically the 25 keys mini without the keyboard, and the launchcontrol XL is already a great controller as it is for performance; but pretty useless to me as an ableton remote (for the lack of encoders and screen). Those two things serve two different purposes.
I love my Akai MPK225 keybed. Awaiting their 3-series. Novation can pack so much into the Bass Station 2, and yet they can't make all these features (aftertouch, etc.) fit on the Launchkey 25. A single master fader or encoder would have been nice--there's space on the upper left. SL Mk3 looks nice, but I'm looking for a full-size 25-key (that's easy to find).
@@loopop thank you, I suspected but the process to export the midi and record just for the visuals is an extra step, congratulations to your care about these little details 🔥
This daw integration looks fantastic Is it exclusive for this line or do other controllers act like it too? Because from looking at images they dont seem to have as many functions My midi controller is the cheapest thing and has zero daw integration and I have to use pure data scripts to control ableton
Same as the old MK3 you need to hold in the pad, that way I can't program a chord with 2 hands unless you place some object on it. The Korg M3 has this function too and can't live without it unfortunately my touchscreen is not responding anymore so can't work with Transpose or use the keyboards sounds. Wish more keyboards had this function.
Pads have aftertouch. To play piano you don't need aftertouch. Many professional musicians still play piano in 2024, but they don't use these $100 controllers.
This looks quite nice, is it possible to enable (probably through a feature request), splits and layers at the same time (so essentially you have three sounds playing at the same time)?
@@loopop You understood correctly, a bit like multi-timbral synth. Is there any difference (besides software, perhaps keybed feel, Ableton integration and features), between the Novation MK4 and Arturia Essentials MK3?
In 2025 we've got to see polyphonic aftertouch controllers becoming more common, at competitive prices. Hydrasynth Explorer came out in 2021, all the keyboard manufacturers must be working on their own keybeds that support MIDI 2.0 now that pademic-related supply chain problems have abated. I don't know about Novation but I'm betting we see a higher-end Arturia Keystep swooping in with it.
Can you remap the octave for the pads now? So you can play an instrument (not just drums) via the pads? Was always frustrating to have to jump into Novation components to do this on the mk3
@@loopop that’s awesome! I hated how on the mk3, the octave button wouldn’t change the octave of a synth that you play on the pads. It’d only change the octave of the keys on the keyboard.
I'm glad they finally added a proper screen, endless encoders and moved all wheels on top for the entire range (minus 25 which no one really buys tbh) which saves you about half an octave of wasted space. So far only Mini, 37 and 88 did that which was quite a bummer. That 37 Mini is also a welcome addition. Not everyone has huge hands and I'm glad they took notice.
@@aventurenumerique2010 I have both the Mini, 37 and 61 MK3 so this is great news to me. And other than the 25 and 49 I'm buying the rest of the MK4 range x2.
I'm using Ableton but you can use Logic too, I'm just playing the two bundled software instruments, one set in Live to listen to channel 1 (the arp) and another listening to channel 3 (the chords)
@@loopop oh aweosme. I was worried that was something routes by Ableton which would be something I couldn't do out of logic. Aweosme. I appreciate your reply man!!
Wondering what will happen to the FL Key range - will it get an upgrade or it will be merged into launchkey mk4. If they could bring some tight integration with FL studio as well this would really make it a power tool
I got MK4 delivered but then i asked return due to missing aftertouch/expression pedal. But when i tried playing the mod wheel and pads can do the same job so its not missing. I kept the MK4 and its integration with logic is amazing. Look wise its so nice in black colur and coloured pads which are tracks guide actually.
I don't think so. I couldn't find an option to do that in the settings, and I just tried sending it clock and it didn't respond. It does send clock out though, so depending on your DAW that might work for you
@@loopop Well i thought to clock it from blackbox and than use the ARP / chords inside blackbox and external gear no Daw involved… wired choice no external clock ! To your knowledge does exist any not expensive portable device with ARP, SCALE, CHORD mode ?
How does it work with Mono or Paraphonic Synthesisers? Do the Generative elements just function in Mono. I have a Minibrute 2 (which I love and a Little Phatty that I love even more) I'm currently working Dawless)
My work flow is so much better on the mk4 than the mk3. Never used another midi controller but this is perfect for what I need. Idk what more I could ask for tbh
Hi again with another question that can't find on the manual. If you have the time and patiente to try, could you please try connect it to a hardware sequencer via midi and disable the clock out on the launchkey and see if it disables the start\stop info sent. My digitakt wont start and sync with ableton if the launckey mini sends start and top messages out via midi, and the mk3 version as a setting to disable this when in boot mode but no info as to if the mk4 as or not this option, only clock out on settings. It will save me ordering one and return it if it does not have this option. thank you!
I actually have the controls (Zero Sl, Launchpad Pro, Launch Control) just in need of the keyboard. Though, you can never have enough control knobs and pads, so...
Hi. When in the online specifications I read "Arpeggiator with step editor", does this mean that I can only edit existing patterns, or does it mean that I can also program a pattern to my liking from scratch?
My mk3 37 key is great I want to get the 25 key for the daw control upgrades + the sequencer and for travel purposes haha I have a push 3 controller but on the plane ✈️ might be a bit crowded haha 😂
@untml Well, that's the point. They could have made it the same market by a simple software upgrade. Knobs, pads, sliders, screen, midi port, it is all right there. Just make a software update and extend the market. Super simple, but they refuse. They even acknowledge that step sequencing is a thing because they support step sequencing with Ableton. So why not make it a stand-alone sequencer by a simple software tweak and double the market value?
@@suga4all Keystep is a different product, aimed mostly at dawless use. This is why you get 2x DIN5, 3x CV out and 2x sync connectors. Development, support and future software upgrades cost money, so it will probably raise the price of this more than you imagine. The point of mass-producing a product that is replaced every 3-4 years is to move stock. Price is the most crucial factor in doing this.
@untml Sorry, but I simply believe Novation is old tech, they don't move. They sell us 2019-ish hardware in 2024. Akai has shown a better understanding of the market with the Mini plus. Most customers want to have the flexibility to switch between DAW and DAW-less, and honestly, for 170 EUR they can demand it! Speaking of price: The 37 key Akai Mini plus, which has a stand-alone sequencer, 5-pin, USB, aftertouch, pads, knobs, slider, etc. is only 150 EUR. So, price is a bad argument here.
@@suga4all The Akai MPK Mini Plus offers an impressive price-to-features ratio but it's aimed at a different demographic/practice. It’s more comparable to the Keystep series with extra controls than to the Launchkey. It can't match the Launchkey’s integration with DAWs, especially with Ableton Live which is Novation’s focus for this line of keyboards. It also claims to offer a good quality-to-price ratio but it's difficult to assess this without real use and experience. The Launchkey certainly looks more modern than the MPK, which has a 2010 design, and you can get normal size keys for almost the same price. Neither keyboard includes aftertouch as far as I recall. It seems you might be confusing your needs with those of most users. Just read the first paragraph of each product page, it clearly states the intended use.
Another shout here for Novation to make a keyless version, with just the controls!
And while we're wishing for perfection, ...Novation, please add small OLED screens under those encoders, like Korg did (of course, Korg left out encoders).
That good idea! Like Akai LDP8. Or Launchpad with knobs 🎛️
That’s literally all I’ve ever wanted, don’t need keys or pads, plenty of those around
@@lib747 which korg controller are you refering to?
@@valdir7426 Keystage - MIDI 2, LED screens, and no encoders?!?!
Great review. It’s crazy how Novation, NI & Arturia all still ignore MIDI 2.0 completely 🤷🏻♂️
Agreed!
a*holes imo.
if they are being environmentally conscious, then they will provide Midi 2.0 support as a firmware update such that we don't get a million midi controllers on the landfill the day Midi 2.0 is ready. However it's sad that they don't at least give a timeline for this hypothetical firmware update or come with a statement that says whether or not they will commit to it.
@@lbGkifoo1bj12e9plhjfWA I would expect that from Novation, not sure NI or Arturia would rather prefer keeping their own sw integration ecosystem or not 🤷🏻♂️
@@al8xandros S-Series MK3 is MIDI 2.0 compatible just hasn't been implemented yet
Finally endless encoders! 🙌 And step sequencing Ableton Live is 🔥
Step sequence in MK3 made by Jürger Moßgraber and much more. Watch the video on his channel.
Endless encoders that can't be set to RELATIVE mode....?!
Midi controller fans eating well this week
Long overdue. Usually we’re mostly ignored :)
For the money, these Novation Launchkeys look great, but I'm looking to spend more for a feature set that doesn't exist yet. Arturia's latest release for the Keylab mk3s was disappointing for me.
@@moosemuseum1853 Sooo disappointing. All I want is a good controller for the v collection and I can't even get it from the people that make the v collection 😂
what else came out this week?
@@tommm4989 why not? could you expand on that?
Love the voiding warranty part! 28:11
I would love to see your "module" idea exist without the need of a saw. all the functionality there in the little top bar of the mini is about all I need!
Amen!
yes they used to have the novation SL zero which was exactly that (with screens under every knobs); don't know why there's no option like this (I'm not super interested by the pad controllers either)
@@loopopthey did once upon a time with the SL Zero and the Nocturn. Would love to see a modern update on those!
@@BeniRoseMusic honestly they always had the best ableton integration and they outdone themselves with these new keyboards; being able to directly use the sequencer and the advanced transport function could be very handy. it's a shame there's a shitty keyboard attached to it really; I'm half-tempted to get the mini 25 on top of my keystep. also controlling the volumes with encoders seems more useful that having faders that will jump value.
It does exist. Check out Akai LPD8.
Great review and amazing performance - I'd actually love to see a walkthrough just on that!
Quality review as always ♥
The step sequencer with all the edit functions is exactly what I wanted as an update to the MK3 version.
Such a great update! I might even prefer this over my Push 3 controller tbh.
I want a Novation SL Mk4……with lots of chords, scales settings and a really nice keybed.
SL MK3 can also handle that update btw but I don't see them doing it
@@spacekid5609 SL Mk3 is already maxed out on its firmware memory capacity. I suspect a Mk4 is incoming at some point soon
Yes please
@@canadianmoose2006 I think the SL MK3 came out in in between the LaunchKey 2 and 3. It's weird that they have updated the Launchkey twice before the SL. I was definitely hoping the announcement today was going to be a new SL 🫤.
Yes!
Finally a 37 key mini!
😂 very funny where you brought out the saw lol
@@Pummelfay now that’s what I call a hack!
Always top notch quality and detail in your review of new gear! Love the "Subscribe" hint and the saw at the end!
Just ordered the compact 25 key just for the Cubase and Ableton integration to put above my Studiologic SL. Great video btw
Mine arrive yesterday so back here learning what I can about it. Found it a bit hard to understand at first but once I got going it's all good. I'm very impressed by just how much you get for so little money. I had been tossing up between this, Kontrol s49 mk3 and MPC Key61. Have yet to try it into MPC Live2 but suspect the end result will not vary much from Key61. A few extra features and a few less synths but they may come on sale Black Friday anyway. While I see the attraction to a keyless version ( I also felt the same about the Korg Wavestate) I do not mind as I have an older NI Kontrol s88 and this makes a good portable controller. Thanks for this review loopop. Formed part of an informed purchasing choice and I know it's going to double as a good tutorial.
Great. Now we need a new Launch Control
This video has convinced me to to return to my roots and purchase a Tascam Portastudio 488. I want to spend more time composing music and less time mastering technology. Seriously though, thank you for a fantastic video. These modern controllers and DAWs are very impressive. But I think I will stick with my Jupiters, Junos and M1s. Cheers.
19:14 This was the last thing the Launchkey needed to be perfect, now i have to get one, there’s no other choice. 🔥
The 37 mk3 is my current daily driver and it’s wonderful. These look like excellent updates!
The keys feels heavier on this (I have the 37 MK4) on the MK3 the synth action keys are much more pleasing to touch & press the MK4 keybed is harder to press down the keys & transport controls, track select buttons, Shift, etc touching them feels horrible (it's made of rubbery weird thing)
Do not buy this the Launchkey 37 MK3 is much better feeling ah and I missed it: the MOD wheel is terrible on the MK4 heavy resistance the MK3's just slides smoothly
The Oberheim soft synths are worth the price of admission. Then you get a free midi controller with them, that's pretty neat.
Really lovely jam at the start man.
Thanks! There's an extended version at the end :)
I loved it too
Awesome review! As soon as I saw the form factor I thought "this is the real deal". I'm sad about the mini model key bed based on your report though. A spongy feeling is not the description I was hoping for to describe that key bed! It's regrettable considering how close this little controller comes to perfection. I can't think of a mini keyboard that can compete with this feature set at this point though, even considering Arturia's Keystep CV connectivity / after-touch stuff. Let's see what Arturia does now!
Also just an FYI, I had to reformat this comment's content twice for it not to be filtered by the automated comment moderation system. If you're in favour of freedom of speech I encourage you to disable comments moderation on your videos, because people like me who take time to write engaging comments end up being discouraged to do so due to the odds of being "shadow silenced" for no valid reasons.
Thanks for the kind words about the review. This video is new but for a look at my moderation track record, please look at the comment section of the other two videos I published this week (and all prior videos too) - people are eviscerating both devices for things they dislike about them, and one guy even really hates my guts apparently, and all the comments are live and kicking. Sometimes youtube auto moderates comments, sometimes I block certain keywords to make sure people are saying bad things about the gear and not each other - I look at the moderation queue regularly and approve any false flags. Please have a look and then come back here and let me know if I'm shadow banning negative comments about the gear or me.
@@loopopHey loopop! I'm sorry for not having responded earlier. I absolutely adore you and your channel, and it has never crossed my mind that you were deliberately responsible for the filtering situation I've experienced. I'm also very happy to know that you're actively approving false flags as well! A big reason I'm reviving this comment is because I just discovered that my first gen Arturia Keystep's pitch bend capacitive touch screen was behaving awfully (with clear stepping despite the supposed 14 bit resolution for pitch bend in typical MIDI implementation) when testing/recording pitch bend data in Ableton. I'm extremely interested in the mini version of the Launchkey MK4 (in tandem with my iPad Pro + Digitakt + Digitone setup as that's what I'm dedicated to on my YT channel if you're curious), with the clear intent of using the pitchbend. If it turns out that the mini MK4 versions behave similarly to what I discovered with my 1st gen Keystep's capacitive strips, it would be a deal breaker for me because I'm not prepared to put a full sized keyboard on my desk just to have a physical pitch bend wheel, as even the 25 keys version is way too bulky as an iPad sidekick in the context of my setup. Is there anything useful to know that you could think about regarding the performance of the pitch bend capacitive touch strip on the Launchkey mini MK4 versions, or even about the usability of these keyboards as non official class compliant devices? I was also worried about potentially not being able to remap knobs/pads MIDI CC directly on the device without the editor... Thanks for your time!
@@Silent_Stillness I’m not sure what you’re asking about the pitch bend, but no, you can’t map ccs directly on the mk4
@@loopop I was asking if the pitch bend on capacitive touch strips of the mini versions of the Launchkey MK4 actually behave as smoothly as a physical pitch bend wheel, which can be easily assessed by looking at the recorded pitch bend data in a DAW.
That's how I discovered the Arturia Keystep (1st gen) was actually a major let down when it comes to the "musicality" of its capacitive pitch bend strip, looking at the data in Ableton there's ridiculous stepping, not at all consistent with a parameter which should have a 14 bit depth... (I'm still curious about the performance of the Launchkey mini MK4 on that front though)
Thank you for the clarification on the impossibility to map ccs directly on the MK4, that's already a deal breaker for me...
"...cuz I'm about to void my warranty." LOL
Super excited about these.
The idea about a controller only with the pads and the encoders. Please, this. This is the only thing I need and now it makes more sense than ever. You could have an affordable midi controller that take very little space in your desk and gives you a lot of controls like step seq, encoders, etc.
That’s a truly great update. Now the Launchpad pro needs some love.
Nice outro!
What a beautiful musical ending !!
I think I like what I see here.The 2 octaves mini keys version really competes with arturia minilab.and also here missing the repeat note.
By all the reviews the keys of the entire line do not seam to hold the game so is comprensible to desire a keyless version of this launch-badkeys
The LaunchKey Mini mk3 is my favorite compact controller of all time. Easily fits in any backpack. Fits between my computer keyboard and monitor. Packed with tons of cool, useful features. The mk4 looks like an awesome upgrade! Can't wait!
The screen is a huge addition
@@ZombieLincoln666 It really is. It made the knobs way more useful, since they can now be encoders (screen is required to see the values). The screen also makes it way easier to configure all the settings, and there are many new settings. I got my mk4 a couple weeks ago…love it!
Still learning the mk 3....it's awesome...
What's mk4 have that mk3 doesn't?
like always…. an IMPECable! video & review.. with bonus music :P .
i just got an Arturia MiniLab 3, in order to control external VSTs in Ableton… as it’s got plenty of pots/knobs and faders.. But this one beats it..in Ableton integration, though.
I’m gonna send the Arturia back, and get one of these instead.
And YES !.. I’d really Prefer the controller without keys, as well.. as i have got a key step, and a proper weighted keys full keyboard.
i’d definitely go for that option, if Novation made it available. Bring out that Saw, man ! ;)
thank you for being you , as always .. with your videos..
you’ve got a way of making your thing, and it is always solid !
;)
Thanks for taking the time to write :)
16:40 finally, arrangement view support!!
The mini 37 version is cool for the road. For the big one I wait for a SL4.
thanks so much for this video i really needed this
Arp on pads is very high on the feature requeast of a firmware update.That's what novation support said
Great review!
If you are an Ableton user without a Push, this is a no-brainer.
I think I may have to try one out :) …or do I wait for the SL mk4?
Thanks! Re waiting, I don't know, seems like you have access to the leaks before me :)
@@loopop Hehe ;)
Great idea. I too would love a compact step sequencer for under $200
The launchpad maybe?
you can find a used beatstep pro for that price
this is quite an improvement.
Awesome recommandation to Novation. I would say, I'd ask the same to NI: could you do just a Hardware with the Komplete Kontrol only, not the key? This way, I would control plugins with its beautiful layout.
moss grabber gonna make this loverly for bitwig!!!
I think the module idea is brilliant. Basically a new Lauchpad Pro with all the faders and knobs of Launch Control XL, a screen and all these new arps, chord modes, step sequencer, etc... An APC64 but done better... but yeah I feel you, I really dont want more keys in my studio lol.
that step sequence straight into Ableton live is amazing.
Too bad the velocity is fixed though. You can set it afterwards but it looses the immediacy
I'm surprised by all the focus on aftertouch here - what MIDI keyboard controllers under $500 have aftertouch? The KeyStep series is the only one I know of, and I feel like comparing something with knobs/faders/pads to a KeyStep is a little apples-and-oranges. I assume Novation will update the SL line relatively soon to stay competitive with the premium KeyLab line and that will have aftertouch. Maybe it helps that the only synth I have that I really care about aftertouch with is the Microfreak, and I love playing that thing's goofy little touch keyboard.
Personally as someone who had been debating between a KeyLab Essentials mk3 and the LaunchKey mk3, picking up a LaunchKey mk4 seems like a total no-brainer. The MIDI split functionality and the chord/scale functionality are particularly exciting stuff that the Essentials doesn't have. I haven't been super impressed with the out-of-the-box Arturia integrations on my MiniLab (the V Collection always seems to have completely random knob mapping, rather than just using the macros or something), so don't think I'll be missing that.
It’s definitely long in the tooth, older but my AKAI MPK249 has aftertouch, several banks of 8 faders, toggles, and encoders, and several banks of drum pads, as well as transport controls (I don’t really use the latter, TBH), a useful arpeggiator and decent keyboard feel (for me anyway). $379 at Sweetwater when I bought mine. I don’t DAW, so it’s a pretty good solution. Not recommending it for everyone, just saying there are def sub $500 controllers with aftertouch.
One word, entitlement...
Ive watched so many of your videos!
Would you ever consider reviewing the Nektar keyboard controllers, seems like all that is missing from the channel - novation, arturia, ni are covered but would really like to see how they wtack up to the panorama from nektar
Thanks for being here! I probably stayed away because I was a bit turned off by the need to load up your plugins into a container, but they're on my radar so let's see when a new generation comes out!
@@loopop Aren't NI doing the same thing with Komplete Kontrol?Anyway I had to ask.. which among Novation,NI & Arturia handles 3rd party Plugins best in your opinion? Do you have to manually assign midi with all of them or are some better than others?
I sure hope Nektar release a new line soon since their keyboards are at least 6 years old and I hope Novation also refresh their SL Mk3 .. right now looking at the most current offerings from Novation,NI & Arturia there is room left to be desired all are missing something, Even if they just add some of the features of the new launchkey to the SL it would be a great controller.
@@boyananakiev4896 Yes you're right, NI does that too, and generally speaking I don't like that either, but at least NI make up for it with the browsing and NKS/NKS2 experiences. For live integration indeed Arturia and Novation seem to have the best device controls as far as I remember
Heyyyy Loopop! Thanks as always, for the excellent review. I just picked the Mini 37 up (and will return it). The Play button doesn't send a midi message (I'm a Reaper user-- I like to bind controller buttons to Reaper Actions, as long as the button sends a MIDI CC). The REC button does...... and that makes NO sense, at all. REC button works perfectly in Reaper (Midi Ch. 16, CC 117, which is the standard REC button assignment for most midi controllers). Nice having that, without using HUI or MCU (HUI is so ridiculous and outdated). But... the play button. What in the everloving f--k is their reasoning for this?
Also, the absolutely insane, stupid oversight from Novation--- THE ENCODERS CANNOT BE SET TO RELATIVE MODE. How the f--k can they forget this, even with two firmware updates since the release? They offer two banks of encoders, per custom mode, and yet... we can't set the encoders to RELATIVE mode in the editor? Stuff like this drives me NUTS. The controller is damn-near perfect, if that play button sent a MIDI message. I cannot believe the inability to set the encoders to RELATIVE mode. They might as well have just put regular knobs on this, like the MK3. Absolute stupidity.
2nd.
What a week! Double updates to the best midi controllers (Arturia yesterday). I greatly appreciate the layout, slider positions, and play controls on the largest model. The screens and feedback offered on these are fantastic.
The main downside is that USB-C only for power, if that port gets loose you are effectively screwed.
Arturia is not good.
@@MB-kx5qs Would you mind elaborating a lil bit? I'm considering one of their products but haven't pulled the trigger yet.
@@TheGTALover ne kann ich net, da haste Pech gehabt! Es wird Suppe jejesse!
@@TheGTALover Both Arturia and Novation make great products overall, either of their products are going to be great. It really shows that both did a ton of ergnomics testing on their updates.
It seems to have come down to if you want faders on the left or right.
It's hard to decide between the smaller ones. The undo, metronome, loop keys are SORELY missing on the minis (I wish I could reprogram the scale and arp buttons which I will never use). If the 37 key had these buttons, I would go for it. I would go for the bigger 25 key with it's impractical footprint if it had aftertouch....
Great updates, but still incomplete.
But I love that the drum pads can have key combinations now, so I will program important ones there.
Thanks for the comprehensive review. How would you compare this to the Arturia Keylab MK3?
I'd watch my Keylab MK3 video to compare :)
omg, a non-keyboard version would be incredible.
what's more, nicely struggle choosing for now, thanks!
I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger for the Arturia Keylab Essential. This new launchkey is better in almost every way.
step in the right direction. would have loved to see the mini 37 have pitch mod wheels and a few extra controls or larger screen with all that free space.
I'd like to see a Mk2 version of the Launch Control XL
the current version is already MK2, we're waiting for MK3
@@ascetik Fair. MK3 then.
@loopop Did they get rid of the "ellipsis" button and functionality? Would have loved to see whats possible with custom templates in terms of mapping hotkeys and DAW shortcuts to the Launchkey. That's something Novation has always been a leader in and i hope they are continuing to invest there. Thanks for this review!
Thanks! Yes, they got rid of it, but they enabled keystroke mapping in custom templates, so you can create the equivalent functionality yourself and much more in the pads that weren't used in the "..." menu
@@loopop ok, thanks for the info! Would love to see the mapping capabilities in action, as I think this is a really underrated feature. But I'm sure your content schedule is already packed. :)
@@peabodyscientific2082 thanks, yes, it is so a dedicated video isn’t likely, but that’s exactly why I show how to make the mappings in this video and even talk about the arrows
@@loopop I will definitely finish watching then! I took a quick look but had to get to work before my boss noticed 😄.
So waiting for both NI and Novation to come out with keyless "controller only" versions of their keyboards. I only bought the NI M32 for its control functions as i already have other keyboards, so i kind of bought its keys with it without actually having a real use for them.
I wonder when Novation is shipping Loopop the 61SL MKIV
mini 37 + endless encoders + usbc? Daaamn! Sold!
I like how the pads can be used to add notes to the DAW, like a step sequencer. I wonder if Arturia Keylabs MK3 support this kind of input to Ableton? I need to watch the comparison Keylab MK3 video 🙂
Edit: Just came back from the Arturia Keylab comparison video. The Arturias don't have what you'd call step sequencing where the changes live in the DAW.
Novation LaunchKey 61 MK4 keys would be my choice from the Launch keys and the competition.
When you play a chord, eg a A minor, does it show the chord name in the display? Would be awesome for keyboard starters.
Do the Mini editions have one-piece plastic key assemblies? I'm referring to the kind where the keys are molded together in a set, and to replace a key you must replace a whole set of keys. The previous versions did, and it makes them disposable once the plastic joints start losing strength.
Noticing some companies are experimenting with putting p/m wheels NOT left of keybed, I personally don't like this. I had to buy 49keylab, even though I wanted a 61 because I don't have 23" fingers. Please don't do this on 61's, there is plenty of wasted space I can point to on each to null any argument about 'real estate'. Great vid, loopop...
I wish the step sequencer would work without Ableton, that would be great
Worth the upgrade for the endless encoders alone, but all the rest is icing I’ll take too.
Great video. Thank you. Can you sequence external synths (same way you sequence ableton)?
My pleasure - no this doesn't have a built in sequencer
Wondering is LaunchPad mk4 next?
Or x^2 or something :)
I never liked the idea of DAW specific keyboards. Since if you’re going to buy one and it’s daw specific and you don’t use it but you love the features of the keyboard it just feels like a waste.
That being said I’m getting the 61 key mk4 version this week and I’m excited 😊
Hallo loopop! I bought my LKmk3 thanks to your perfect review! Still am grateful 'cause she's a great mini friend. But I feel I could fall in love with this new one... Is there a User Scale mode like in Arturia keystep37?
Glad it was useful! No user scales here as far as I remember. You can sort of fake it by programming your own pad templates, but that's not the same thing of course
@@loopop I find it a very interesting composition and improvisation tool. I imagine it in combo with the Easy Scale Mode in the new LK, which on the other hand arturia doesn't have (i.e. for extreme ranges of strange arpeggios of minimal 3 or 4 notes scales, etc). You known: when everything seems possible nothing ever seems enough...
Well we can always make an official feature request to novation.
Or
ask you to talk to the guys down there, I'm sure they will listen to you ihihihih
😜
Nice review!
(yeah, I feel this is a review, just not one with bald statements, which I can understand because of your position towards manufacturers and which I prefer to these screaming conclusions some will give you)
One thing I might have missed or maybe you did not mention, but can you browse presets from the device for Ableton instruments / devices (I can't find it in the manual either)
Thanks in advance!?
Thanks! There's no support for browsing presets in terms of search or categories; however, you can map the pads to keyboard arrow keys and use the pads instead of keys
@ good to know!
Do you know any controller that does support preset browsing, other that (I assume) Push?
@@tricks-and-tips yeah Push 2 or 3; then there are controllers by Native Instruments, but they only let you browse through presets in plug-ins that support NKS
@ thnx
@@loopop fun fact, just got the Mk4 49 and it does brows through presets in Reason native devices (via the arrow keys left to the pads).
I'm using mine with a standalone iteration of Dexed, my sp404 mk2 and my microbrute, and I'll tell you its quite fun! Being able to play so many keys on only white keys really opens compositional doors for me, and the midi sync/ controls work pretty well with the 404. I downloaded the ableton live lite but haven't really tried it.
Can you use the step sequencer function in Logic Pro? I’m not an ableton user, and the only thing stopping me from buying the new launchkey is the possibility that the step sequencer wouldn’t be usable in logic. The idea of not using my mouse to make beats on logic is incredibly appealing but I haven’t been able to find any info if the sequencer (that I’d use for drum beats) is usable on logic pro
Who else is low key looking forward to a new Launchcontrol XL soon? ✊🏾 Maybe before Behringer's much awaited BCR32?? WHO???
as I said elsewhere; I want a launch remote which is basically the 25 keys mini without the keyboard, and the launchcontrol XL is already a great controller as it is for performance; but pretty useless to me as an ableton remote (for the lack of encoders and screen). Those two things serve two different purposes.
They should say at first "NO aftertouch" so I wouldn't waste my time
searched for that then bailed. Why not have it? Same with Arturia, they seem to ignore this.
@@davery99 to upsell you to the SL line.
@@Rareos true had a mkIII sl, I hope it gets a refresh.
it cost 150$
I love my Akai MPK225 keybed. Awaiting their 3-series. Novation can pack so much into the Bass Station 2, and yet they can't make all these features (aftertouch, etc.) fit on the Launchkey 25. A single master fader or encoder would have been nice--there's space on the upper left. SL Mk3 looks nice, but I'm looking for a full-size 25-key (that's easy to find).
Which software are you using for the midi visuals in the end of the video?
Synthesia
@@loopop thank you, I suspected but the process to export the midi and record just for the visuals is an extra step, congratulations to your care about these little details 🔥
This daw integration looks fantastic
Is it exclusive for this line or do other controllers act like it too? Because from looking at images they dont seem to have as many functions
My midi controller is the cheapest thing and has zero daw integration and I have to use pure data scripts to control ableton
Do we know if it works with Bitwig?
Same as the old MK3 you need to hold in the pad, that way I can't program a chord with 2 hands unless you place some object on it. The Korg M3 has this function too and can't live without it unfortunately my touchscreen is not responding anymore so can't work with Transpose or use the keyboards sounds. Wish more keyboards had this function.
It appears Novation removed the Navigation[...] button from the MK4 series.
@@StephanieSante yes - but you can create a similar template as a custom mode
@@loopop excellent. Thank you. I found the Navigation button critical for browsing sounds.
They already had an amazing midi keyboard, the Nocturn 49, just refresh that model!
NO aftertouch?? I don't understand. How is this possible in 2024??
This. At this point, it's basically an SL-Light, the absence of AT (and Expression Input) is purely due capitalism.
Pads have aftertouch. To play piano you don't need aftertouch. Many professional musicians still play piano in 2024, but they don't use these $100 controllers.
for 150$ it's amazing design, better have controllers than at almost no one use.
@@FirstLast-nr6gf these are made for playing synths, not pianos.
@@FirstLast-nr6gf no one really cares about aftertouch on pads - it's barely usable, the keys provide much more control over aftertouch
This looks quite nice, is it possible to enable (probably through a feature request), splits and layers at the same time (so essentially you have three sounds playing at the same time)?
Not sure I understand but if I do, not that I saw, it's either or
@@loopop You understood correctly, a bit like multi-timbral synth.
Is there any difference (besides software, perhaps keybed feel, Ableton integration and features), between the Novation MK4 and Arturia Essentials MK3?
@tonylancer7367 that’s not a question that’s a full length video request :) if you watch my videos about them though you’ll know everything i do
The comments made me think he was actually gonna saw it off.. was anxiously & excitedly waiting for that part..
In 2025 we've got to see polyphonic aftertouch controllers becoming more common, at competitive prices. Hydrasynth Explorer came out in 2021, all the keyboard manufacturers must be working on their own keybeds that support MIDI 2.0 now that pademic-related supply chain problems have abated. I don't know about Novation but I'm betting we see a higher-end Arturia Keystep swooping in with it.
Can you remap the octave for the pads now? So you can play an instrument (not just drums) via the pads? Was always frustrating to have to jump into Novation components to do this on the mk3
yes - octave transpose works in the custom modes if that's the question
@@loopop so you can now press a button to quickly go up or down an octave on the pads? Even with the Mini models?
@@HeyAdamGrassoyes!
@@loopop that’s awesome! I hated how on the mk3, the octave button wouldn’t change the octave of a synth that you play on the pads. It’d only change the octave of the keys on the keyboard.
I really hope they will update SL to mk4 this year
I'm glad they finally added a proper screen, endless encoders and moved all wheels on top for the entire range (minus 25 which no one really buys tbh) which saves you about half an octave of wasted space. So far only Mini, 37 and 88 did that which was quite a bummer. That 37 Mini is also a welcome addition. Not everyone has huge hands and I'm glad they took notice.
Just for balance, I dislike that they put the wheels on top on 61
@@aventurenumerique2010 I have both the Mini, 37 and 61 MK3 so this is great news to me. And other than the 25 and 49 I'm buying the rest of the MK4 range x2.
Hey another question, sorry. On your outro jam, are you hooked up to Ableton? Or can I do the same kinda thing on logic?
I'm using Ableton but you can use Logic too, I'm just playing the two bundled software instruments, one set in Live to listen to channel 1 (the arp) and another listening to channel 3 (the chords)
@@loopop oh aweosme. I was worried that was something routes by Ableton which would be something I couldn't do out of logic. Aweosme. I appreciate your reply man!!
Wondering what will happen to the FL Key range - will it get an upgrade or it will be merged into launchkey mk4. If they could bring some tight integration with FL studio as well this would really make it a power tool
I got MK4 delivered but then i asked return due to missing aftertouch/expression pedal. But when i tried playing the mod wheel and pads can do the same job so its not missing. I kept the MK4 and its integration with logic is amazing. Look wise its so nice in black colur and coloured pads which are tracks guide actually.
thnx for the review Ziv.
can the arpeggiator be clocked from external clock?
I don't think so. I couldn't find an option to do that in the settings, and I just tried sending it clock and it didn't respond. It does send clock out though, so depending on your DAW that might work for you
@@loopop Well i thought to clock it from blackbox and than use the ARP / chords inside blackbox and external gear no Daw involved… wired choice no external clock !
To your knowledge does exist any not expensive portable device with ARP, SCALE, CHORD mode ?
Wait for that SL MK4
How does it work with Mono or Paraphonic Synthesisers? Do the Generative elements just function in Mono. I have a Minibrute 2 (which I love and a Little Phatty that I love even more)
I'm currently working Dawless)
It depends on how the synth responds to MIDI
When can we expect an update to the SL mkIII? Maybe with an 88 key version 🤞
Every time a new MIDI controller range is released my thoughts end up being "they were so close", this is no different.
My work flow is so much better on the mk4 than the mk3. Never used another midi controller but this is perfect for what I need. Idk what more I could ask for tbh
Which model did you get
Hi again with another question that can't find on the manual. If you have the time and patiente to try, could you please try connect it to a hardware sequencer via midi and disable the clock out on the launchkey and see if it disables the start\stop info sent. My digitakt wont start and sync with ableton if the launckey mini sends start and top messages out via midi, and the mk3 version as a setting to disable this when in boot mode but no info as to if the mk4 as or not this option, only clock out on settings. It will save me ordering one and return it if it does not have this option. thank you!
That is Exactly what I want, just the top control part, skip the keybed. A LaunchControl mk2 (with all the current mk4 stuff)
I actually have the controls (Zero Sl, Launchpad Pro, Launch Control) just in need of the keyboard. Though, you can never have enough control knobs and pads, so...
did i miss it? did he show strum for arp?
Ahh. a Zero SL MK3 would be the BOMB or a Zero MK4 hehe.
Hi.
When in the online specifications I read "Arpeggiator with step editor", does this mean that I can only edit existing patterns, or does it mean that I can also program a pattern to my liking from scratch?
Please watch the "Arp Pattern" portion of the video - everything I know about it is there
Thank you
My mk3 37 key is great I want to get the 25 key for the daw control upgrades + the sequencer and for travel purposes haha I have a push 3 controller but on the plane ✈️ might be a bit crowded haha 😂
No aftertouch? Still no stand alone sequencer? Missed opportunity to attack the Keystep lineup!
keystep is a sequencer so not the same market
@untml Well, that's the point. They could have made it the same market by a simple software upgrade. Knobs, pads, sliders, screen, midi port, it is all right there. Just make a software update and extend the market. Super simple, but they refuse. They even acknowledge that step sequencing is a thing because they support step sequencing with Ableton. So why not make it a stand-alone sequencer by a simple software tweak and double the market value?
@@suga4all Keystep is a different product, aimed mostly at dawless use. This is why you get 2x DIN5, 3x CV out and 2x sync connectors.
Development, support and future software upgrades cost money, so it will probably raise the price of this more than you imagine.
The point of mass-producing a product that is replaced every 3-4 years is to move stock. Price is the most crucial factor in doing this.
@untml Sorry, but I simply believe Novation is old tech, they don't move. They sell us 2019-ish hardware in 2024. Akai has shown a better understanding of the market with the Mini plus. Most customers want to have the flexibility to switch between DAW and DAW-less, and honestly, for 170 EUR they can demand it!
Speaking of price: The 37 key Akai Mini plus, which has a stand-alone sequencer, 5-pin, USB, aftertouch, pads, knobs, slider, etc. is only 150 EUR. So, price is a bad argument here.
@@suga4all The Akai MPK Mini Plus offers an impressive price-to-features ratio but it's aimed at a different demographic/practice. It’s more comparable to the Keystep series with extra controls than to the Launchkey. It can't match the Launchkey’s integration with DAWs, especially with Ableton Live which is Novation’s focus for this line of keyboards. It also claims to offer a good quality-to-price ratio but it's difficult to assess this without real use and experience. The Launchkey certainly looks more modern than the MPK, which has a 2010 design, and you can get normal size keys for almost the same price. Neither keyboard includes aftertouch as far as I recall.
It seems you might be confusing your needs with those of most users. Just read the first paragraph of each product page, it clearly states the intended use.