They average UAW worker makes a median income above money in the USA. Why the car companies can't understand that if your own employees can't afford to buy a car it is to high for most other buyers .
I believe within four years, a U.A.W. employee will be making $40/HR which equates to $80,000/YR. An average employee will make easily over $100,000/YR with OT. My friend is UAW and works on the line at Wayne Assembly in Wayne MI and easily has been averaging $100K/yr with OT. That doesn't even include profit sharing, which he averages $10K/YR outside of his base pay. This definitely increases vehicle prices.
@RichE-p3v I am also a UAW worker as a Test Driver, I make over 100k per. However I would not purchase cars at today's price especially when you add in the interest rates and stupid dealer marketability garbage charge. The dealers are hurting the auto industry as much as the companies.
Just bought a 2024 Tacoma TRD OffRoad - Not even my Mercedes was that expensive after expensive repair costs. There is a niche for prime custom models, but pricing is out of control and more people are being pushed towards leasing meaning the wealth Gap will continue because you own nothing. Toyota needs to realize pricing was what allowed them to enter the US Market. Quality cemented their market share. Both are at risk.
I don't know a single person.That's capable of buying one of these vehicles at these prices! There's something going on here that we're not being told! This is corporate suicide.
I know several. But what brands like Toyota and jeep don’t understand is that at nearly 70k the people who can afford it are getting range rovers,bmws, and Lexus. At 70k people want to be at least rewarded with the badge. Toyota and jeep are forgetting who they are. They are an everyday people’s car brand. Their highest trims shouldn’t be more than 50k.
There has been negotiations at the highest level of a bailout for certain American car companies with the intent to bankrupt foreign companies when the global economic crash occurs, leaving only the American companies to survive within the continental U.S. that’s why prices haven’t dropped significantly yet but once the powers that be are sure of the collapse prices will plummet.
Other car makers are also only allowing remote start via an app. Much more convenient on the fob. I get that they are trying to cut costs but they are constantly raising rates at a fast clip!
It's to force you to set up the app so they can track you and sell your data - sales guy told me 25% of his commission was dependent on getting me to install the app, sign in and connect it to the car
Toyota lost me with there pricing. I’m an owner of a 2006 Tacoma SR5 Prerunner and except for the airbag and leaf spring recall, haven’t had any issues with it. Great truck that I still own and is a daily driver. Can’t imagine paying these outrageous prices for a less quality and feature stocked truck.
. . . was telling fellow senior last night at 0-alcohol XMas party Ray, making it to 73 and having religiously attended gym and jogged 12 miles a week from 1972 to 1991, I never "did anything" where a single mistake would get me killed: sky-diving, mountain climbing... I simply didn't see the need for a rush that intense. Watching our oldest daughter, in 1986, erupt out of her mother was enough for me.
74 Y.O. VNV here . I started running at least 5 miles a day back in 82 after my divorce . I ran 5-6-7 -8 miles a day until I retired in 06 . I have ran 9-10 miles every other day since then . I have my own gym now ( in home ) , and hit my gym after I get back from my run . Congrat's on YOUR 20 years of running !! I luckily survived all the shit I did in the Army and since :D Have a great weekend @ azbob !
Same - been waiting 3 years for the new Prado. Very disappointed. Now keeping my Disco/LR4 with deposit paid up for the Long range AWD Juniper Model Y when it finally arrives. 👌
I learned to drive on a manual, and have had 5 manual transmission vehicles all my life, and my latest new vehicle, a 2024, would have been a manual, if I could find one. But it has a 6 speed auto. Because of that, I kept my 1996 Ford Ranger Splash 3.0l V6, 5spd manual, instead of trading it in, just to still be able to still drive a manual, which I find more engaging, then drive an auto, and keeps ne more focused as well.
Toyota has abandoned its traditional customer base. I feel betrayed, but wish them well in their future path. I hope mazda can become the choice for the value seeking consumer.
My local Honda dealer is back to huge markups on their cars, the SI Civic has 11K markup on them, when I looked online they were claiming a 750 dollars discount from MSRP. No one was on their lot.
The 4 runner used to be called “the poor mans Landcruiser”. Not anymore. They have taken away the larger Landcruiser to replace it with a Prado, jack up the price on it and then do the same with the 4 runner because they know that there are very faithful people who have had those products and LOVE them.
Zach, I taught a 21 year old to drive a manual 2011 Civic on the fly. It is about giving it the gas and slowly letting that clutch out until it grabs. You will live it. The kid that bought my car loves his manual transmission, they are fun. I work with a girl that drives a manual :)
Most loyal Toyota customers were purchasing these new SUV’s and trucks because they are reliable. Now the new smaller turbo engines are not so reliable, so why even pay $65k for a brand new 4-Runner that doesn’t meet the reliability? It’s not like they are fun vehicles, they’re pretty bland tbh to be paying that much.
Sometimes strange comparisons are legit! For instance I’m debating right now between a “practical” car and a “fun” car. I really want both, but can only get one. I have a crosstrek now, should I get another or should i get an acura integra manual or a vw gti? I know it’s apples and oranges, but I’m in serious conflict. Pros of one is cons of the others. I can make any work, but will be disappointed in some lost capability. No all around perfect car for me. My hubby was in same boat recently. He wanted a truck for truck things, but wanted a sedan for daily driver and road trips. But, can only have one. He chose a sedan. Still wants a truck, but it is what it is.
Buy a Mazda 3 hatchback Premium (no turbo). 4 doors. Hatch. Stick (or real automatic, no CVT) and off the charts FTD car. Better still: durable/reliable.
... re: manual shift vehicles, Re, I mean Ray? My 1977 Lamborghini Countach LP400 had such a high clutch pedal effort, there was/is no way other than one out of a hundred gals could drive that rocket.
I am interested in the corolla pickup but I know that I won't buy it because of dealer fees and markups. plus Toyota won't make there lowest trim level to satisfy budget buyers in large quantities.
I hated to learn to drive a manual. Then brought a 1985 ford mustang gt in 1986. After a year its automatic to shift it. Have had a manual every since 1986 today.
I bought my '90s car in 2015 for $1,100. Still running great at 237k miles. Life without car payments is wonderful. And the $43/mo insurance, 35mpg gas is nice too.
@@Spaethon That's awesome for your situation but a 90's car is not safe for people with small children or for any driver for that matter. New cars while expensive are light years ahead of a 90's car in survival rates in car crashes. I gladly pay a premium price for the lives of my children. Just my 2 cents on the subject.
We have a 2014 Sequoia. For the past couple of years we have wanted a new Sequoia, however, we’re not buying new at the prices they are asking hte past few years. It’s a hard pass for us 🤷♀
mainstream car manufacturers have moved into the price range of luxury brands. Consumers are going to look at alternative brands or look at used vehicles.
All we own are manual transmission vehicles, a GMC PU, a V-6 6-speed Accord, and my daily driver a K24 Civic hatch. Zero plans to replace any of them but I will keep my eyes open for a stupidly good cash buy on a plug-in EV because I can charge it with solar for free.
Zach, I was 17 and bought a new car that was a stick and figured it out. You will be fine, won't kill a clutch, and will make great content. Let's do this!
The reason that toyota is coming with a higher price that way the can lower it later if no one is buy and then said that they are giving discount since they are ready expecting for people not to buy. What a scam for toyota especially since they quality is going down hill.
Must have learned all this rock climbing, risk type stuff from the business conferences. Those folks are so bored in their offices doing nothing, they have to do risk tasks to feel alive still.
Ive had new 7 toyotas and a scion tc since 2006. They have priced me out. I went and bought a 24 Jetta SEL i got below invoice. I love this car and the 40mpg average
A lot of the real buyers are the parents of kids who drive the car. Everyday I see 18yos driving expensive SUVs. Mummy and Diddy are worried that their own status will fall if Jr or Teen Angel are seen driving used 10-yo sedans by their friends.
Turbo charged trucks is why im sticking with my V8 ram rebel. When you blow a turbo, how much will that cost you out-of-pocket......no one knows yet, but give it 5years minimum and we will start to see the reliability of these turbo charged trucks.
That pricing is getting up into Land Rover Defender territory. I get that Toyota will last longer and cost less to keep on the road, obviously, but that's still a yikes from me.
Have some real fun. Learn the stick on a 93 F250! Its a biggest blast than the ice bath challenge and I can drive one in my sleep. Hint Japanese clutches are soooooo easy. But I still vote 93 F250 baby!
On the Toyota website MSRP starting at $40,770. You're referring to the top level trims but they have a very wide range of trims for everyone starting as low as $40K for the 2025 4Runner.
Majority of people are not going to fully utilize all the features on the 4Runner, let alone go off roading or doing extreme rock climbing. It's a niche hobby and most people will use it as a grocery getter or mall mom. There are better and cheaper options out there.
"As low as $40k" MSRP*. That's before the distributor and dealer get hold of it. Starts out too high to begin with. Most will be sold at $45k+ in the real world.
I was a toyota Highlandere devotee. But a new highlander hybrid costs over 50k due to availability. I refuse to pay that and am forced by Toyota to buy elsewhere. I will be purchasing a new car within the next two weeks but it will not be a Toyota due to corporate greed..
Toyota's website shows 2025 4Runner MSRPs from $40k* all the way up to $66k. We all know the V6 option is gone in 2025. So it's 4-banger turbo or 4-banger turbo hybrid only. First it was Tundra. Then LandCruiser. Then Tacoma. And finally now, the 4Runner. I'm sure loyal Toyota owners are lined up to pay more for less already. So this will continue.
New cars are a horrible proposition as mfg have had to meet ridiculous EPA emission standards. Not a single mfg will recognize that throwing a turbo or two to bolster a tiny four cylinder motor is a recipe for disaster. These little motors can not handle the pressures created by turbos. Many new cars fail far too soon. I can't bear to get rid of my 1st generation tacoma despite the 337,000 miles on the clock. I challenge any new car to meet this.
Don't give me the crap that a Corolla at 28,000 is what it should be. Corolla is a subcompact and the smallest car in their fleet. That car should be 21,000 base model and not a penny more. Affordable my A.S!
Toyotas SUV’s & trucks have gotten stupid expensive. Very few people are going to pay $70k for a midsize truck, especially when your quality has taken a huge hit. There are already reports of 2025 Tundras with engine failures. It’s pathetic that Toyota is still pushing these trucks out when they clearly haven’t figured out what the problem is You can’t command these insane prices while delivering Ford quality
Irony is a 20 something year old carless RUclips guy criticizing the largest auto manufacturer in the world. "Starts at" is misleading. These are the HIGHEST TRIM POSSIBLE for these vehicles. Maybe Zach needs a pay raise and he can buy a car to drive.
No car or truck is worth more than 20k and I'll never buy a vehicle over 20k. It's just a car, it's not a house! These cars will be junk in 5 years, and a house can last forever!
Toyota needs a 330hp Turbo 4 cylinder. Bring back the Taco 3.5L V6. Make it the size of the original Tundra that was a great truck. Put a twin turbo V6 in the Large Grand Hylander, Land Cruiser and new 4 Runner. Their grills are all ugly and the body’s are Cartoon looking. Like the 2000s Land Cruisers and Tundra back then were nice. Keep them simple looking.
My two used toyota and lexus purchases allow me to watch from the market sidelines all of these overpriced models sitting on borrowed time. I have the free time to watch with loads of discretionary income saved up.
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Considering what Toyota is charging for the 6th gen 4Runner should be alarming. The base model has hard touch, cheap plastic all over.
They average UAW worker makes a median income above money in the USA. Why the car companies can't understand that if your own employees can't afford to buy a car it is to high for most other buyers .
I believe within four years, a U.A.W. employee will be making $40/HR which equates to $80,000/YR. An average employee will make easily over $100,000/YR with OT. My friend is UAW and works on the line at Wayne Assembly in Wayne MI and easily has been averaging $100K/yr with OT. That doesn't even include profit sharing, which he averages $10K/YR outside of his base pay. This definitely increases vehicle prices.
@RichE-p3v I am also a UAW worker as a Test Driver, I make over 100k per. However I would not purchase cars at today's price especially when you add in the interest rates and stupid dealer marketability garbage charge. The dealers are hurting the auto industry as much as the companies.
What does "median income above money " mean?
@justliberty4072 that at times I have a fat finger or autocorrect is more of an idiot than me. It was intended to say median income above most.
Toyota will run out of customers and those cars will sit around too.
HEY Toyota could afford the lower MSRP on the 4Runner, the Gen 6 is a shell of itself. A 4banger with turbo, no thanks.
Just bought a 2024 Tacoma TRD OffRoad - Not even my Mercedes was that expensive after expensive repair costs. There is a niche for prime custom models, but pricing is out of control and more people are being pushed towards leasing meaning the wealth Gap will continue because you own nothing. Toyota needs to realize pricing was what allowed them to enter the US Market. Quality cemented their market share. Both are at risk.
I don't know a single person.That's capable of buying one of these vehicles at these prices! There's something going on here that we're not being told! This is corporate suicide.
I know several. But what brands like Toyota and jeep don’t understand is that at nearly 70k the people who can afford it are getting range rovers,bmws, and Lexus. At 70k people want to be at least rewarded with the badge. Toyota and jeep are forgetting who they are. They are an everyday people’s car brand. Their highest trims shouldn’t be more than 50k.
There has been negotiations at the highest level of a bailout for certain American car companies with the intent to bankrupt foreign companies when the global economic crash occurs, leaving only the American companies to survive within the continental U.S. that’s why prices haven’t dropped significantly yet but once the powers that be are sure of the collapse prices will plummet.
One of there Hugh Mistakes is taking away remote start from the key fobs !
My 2025 Camry se AWD has it.
Other car makers are also only allowing remote start via an app.
Much more convenient on the fob. I get that they are trying to cut costs but they are constantly raising rates at a fast clip!
@@americandude3825 on the key fob?
It's to force you to set up the app so they can track you and sell your data - sales guy told me 25% of his commission was dependent on getting me to install the app, sign in and connect it to the car
@ i understand that but Toyota buyers don’t
Toyota lost me with there pricing. I’m an owner of a 2006 Tacoma SR5 Prerunner and except for the airbag and leaf spring recall, haven’t had any issues with it. Great truck that I still own and is a daily driver. Can’t imagine paying these outrageous prices for a less quality and feature stocked truck.
. . . was telling fellow senior last night at 0-alcohol XMas party Ray, making it to 73 and having religiously attended gym and jogged 12 miles a week from 1972 to 1991, I never "did anything" where a single mistake would get me killed: sky-diving, mountain climbing... I simply didn't see the need for a rush that intense. Watching our oldest daughter, in 1986, erupt out of her mother was enough for me.
74 Y.O. VNV here . I started running at least 5 miles a day back in 82 after my divorce . I ran 5-6-7 -8 miles a day until I retired in 06 . I have ran 9-10 miles every other day since then . I have my own gym now ( in home ) , and hit my gym after I get back from my run . Congrat's on YOUR 20 years of running !! I luckily survived all the shit I did in the Army and since :D Have a great weekend @ azbob !
I agree. I own a Tacoma. Wanted a new one or a 4 runner. Not at these prices. Bought a Tesla for more than $10,000 less.
Same - been waiting 3 years for the new Prado. Very disappointed. Now keeping my Disco/LR4 with deposit paid up for the Long range AWD Juniper Model Y when it finally arrives. 👌
I learned to drive on a manual, and have had 5 manual transmission vehicles all my life, and my latest new vehicle, a 2024, would have been a manual, if I could find one. But it has a 6 speed auto.
Because of that, I kept my 1996 Ford Ranger Splash 3.0l V6, 5spd manual, instead of trading it in, just to still be able to still drive a manual, which I find more engaging, then drive an auto, and keeps ne more focused as well.
Since when does Zach do live streams from prison
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lol Zach looks like he is in a prison jump suit 😂
Toyota has abandoned its traditional customer base. I feel betrayed, but wish them well in their future path. I hope mazda can become the choice for the value seeking consumer.
Mazda needs a smaller than mid-size truck with the 2.5L 4 cyl.
My local Honda dealer is back to huge markups on their cars, the SI Civic has 11K markup on them, when I looked online they were claiming a 750 dollars discount from MSRP. No one was on their lot.
Unbelivable that they can stay in business, STOP BUYING THEM PEOPLE!
💯 percent!!
The 4 runner used to be called “the poor mans Landcruiser”. Not anymore. They have taken away the larger Landcruiser to replace it with a Prado, jack up the price on it and then do the same with the 4 runner because they know that there are very faithful people who have had those products and LOVE them.
Zach, I taught a 21 year old to drive a manual 2011 Civic on the fly. It is about giving it the gas and slowly letting that clutch out until it grabs. You will live it. The kid that bought my car loves his manual transmission, they are fun. I work with a girl that drives a manual :)
Love Ray’s input and soft looking hands 😅!
And also , according to SK . Toyota is moving the production of Tundra's to Mexico in a new facility they are building .......... BAD move Toyota !!!
"And prices will come down accordingly, thereby passing the savings on to YOU!". Well, no.
You guys crack me up!! And the information you provide is fabulous. Thank you!!
Is every episode technically sponsored by Car Edge? I mean.. afterall... this is the caredge channel.
Toyota can count me out! Was ready last year for a new Tundra but price and that ticking time bomb under the hood ran me off!
Most loyal Toyota customers were purchasing these new SUV’s and trucks because they are reliable. Now the new smaller turbo engines are not so reliable, so why even pay $65k for a brand new 4-Runner that doesn’t meet the reliability? It’s not like they are fun vehicles, they’re pretty bland tbh to be paying that much.
Sometimes strange comparisons are legit!
For instance I’m debating right now between a “practical” car and a “fun” car. I really want both, but can only get one. I have a crosstrek now, should I get another or should i get an acura integra manual or a vw gti? I know it’s apples and oranges, but I’m in serious conflict. Pros of one is cons of the others. I can make any work, but will be disappointed in some lost capability. No all around perfect car for me.
My hubby was in same boat recently. He wanted a truck for truck things, but wanted a sedan for daily driver and road trips. But, can only have one. He chose a sedan. Still wants a truck, but it is what it is.
Buy a Mazda 3 hatchback Premium (no turbo). 4 doors. Hatch. Stick (or real automatic, no CVT) and off the charts FTD car. Better still: durable/reliable.
I'd watch zach learn to drive a manual. I think that'd be fun.
... re: manual shift vehicles, Re, I mean Ray? My 1977 Lamborghini Countach LP400 had such a high clutch pedal effort, there was/is no way other than one out of a hundred gals could drive that rocket.
I am interested in the corolla pickup but I know that I won't buy it because of dealer fees and markups. plus Toyota won't make there lowest trim level to satisfy budget buyers in large quantities.
I hated to learn to drive a manual. Then brought a 1985 ford mustang gt in 1986. After a year its automatic to shift it. Have had a manual every since 1986 today.
Just wanted to say thank u for all the information you two guys give
I wish Toyota luck with that because currently my local dealership lot has about 100 Tacoma‘s for the last three months sitting there not moving 🤣
NO vehicle is worth overpaying for. I mean it's only a mode of transportation getting you fro0m point A to B.
I bought my '90s car in 2015 for $1,100. Still running great at 237k miles. Life without car payments is wonderful. And the $43/mo insurance, 35mpg gas is nice too.
@@Spaethon That's awesome for your situation but a 90's car is not safe for people with small children or for any driver for that matter. New cars while expensive are light years ahead of a 90's car in survival rates in car crashes. I gladly pay a premium price for the lives of my children. Just my 2 cents on the subject.
@randallzook5570 There are a lot of safe cars that don't cost 70k.
I absolutely love my 2018 6 speed Subaru Crosstrek. I used to have a 2011 6 speed Tacoma that was great too, and other manual Subarus. So much fun.
Waiting for 4runner for over a year...pivoting to a Lexus GX at these prices. If not, I'm going in a completely different direction.
We have a 2014 Sequoia. For the past couple of years we have wanted a new Sequoia, however, we’re not buying new at the prices they are asking hte past few years. It’s a hard pass for us 🤷♀
Thanks for all you do
mainstream car manufacturers have moved into the price range of luxury brands. Consumers are going to look at alternative brands or look at used vehicles.
Bought my 2018 TRD Pro 4Runner in March 2018 paid around $48,000.
All we own are manual transmission vehicles, a GMC PU, a V-6 6-speed Accord, and my daily driver a K24 Civic hatch. Zero plans to replace any of them but I will keep my eyes open for a stupidly good cash buy on a plug-in EV because I can charge it with solar for free.
Zach, I was 17 and bought a new car that was a stick and figured it out.
You will be fine, won't kill a clutch, and will make great content. Let's do this!
The reason that toyota is coming with a higher price that way the can lower it later if no one is buy and then said that they are giving discount since they are ready expecting for people not to buy. What a scam for toyota especially since they quality is going down hill.
Great show
Must have learned all this rock climbing, risk type stuff from the business conferences. Those folks are so bored in their offices doing nothing, they have to do risk tasks to feel alive still.
Manufacturing vehicles for the 1%. I will never buy another new vehicle again; can't afford it.
Toyota is asking Lexus price now without offering the premium product.
Rock climbing is the move 💪🏻💪🏻I mostly boulder now but have lead quite a bunch!
Toyota owns a portion of Mazda and Subaru which is never discussed here.
Ray is right. I would donate to teaching Zack how drive a clutch, provided we get to see the videos. Im already an Insights member.
Zach you're a pretty smart guy. I bet your learning curve will be quick. It's not that hard to drive a standard- go for it
Tundra will have to come 35% off MSRP for me to just consider one.
Ive had new 7 toyotas and a scion tc since 2006. They have priced me out. I went and bought a 24 Jetta SEL i got below invoice. I love this car and the 40mpg average
How many of those Toyotas are actually on-the-lot for sale?
Good one Ray. Billy Idol. Dancing with myself!
Toyota does have $255 billion in debt, more debt than any non-financial company on the planet, so there's that.
Uncle Sam needs to intervene on what every company is doing out there. They are taking advantage of us because we don’t have options.
Wanted to ask you is the nissan z is worth the 66 that’s the nismo one let me know
No. Nice car, but no.
Toyota knows what they are doing.
A lot of the real buyers are the parents of kids who drive the car. Everyday I see 18yos driving expensive SUVs. Mummy and Diddy are worried that their own status will fall if Jr or Teen Angel are seen driving used 10-yo sedans by their friends.
Turbo charged trucks is why im sticking with my V8 ram rebel. When you blow a turbo, how much will that cost you out-of-pocket......no one knows yet, but give it 5years minimum and we will start to see the reliability of these turbo charged trucks.
@caredgelive Can you get new cameras for Christmas? You are like watching standard definition when everyone else is in high definition!
I would like to rent Zach’s hands…My neck has been messed up for a week. 😂😂😂
Toyota inventory still low in my area
I can't wait to bust mud holes in my new 70K 4Runner!
That pricing is getting up into Land Rover Defender territory. I get that Toyota will last longer and cost less to keep on the road, obviously, but that's still a yikes from me.
I think the best car in which to learn a manual transmission is an old VW bug with a marginal clutch.
Preferably with a dog leg clutch, so you can handle most any manual after that.
"If you can't find it, grind it."
Have some real fun. Learn the stick on a 93 F250! Its a biggest blast than the ice bath challenge and I can drive one in my sleep. Hint Japanese clutches are soooooo easy. But I still vote 93 F250 baby!
Give Zach a video game that drives a manual so he won't be scared of ruining the clutch! :)
60 Rambler American 3 on the tree. No power steering, n power brakes. Flat head 196cid 6.
You and Ray are funny Zack 🤔🤔😁😁😂😂😂😂
Unreliable 4 banger turbo power train and high price. No thank you. We’ve already seen the results of this approach on Tacoma sales. Oops.
KABOOM!
did Zack get sent to prison? That sure looks like a prison jumpsuit!
Don’t forget the Lexus dealer I sent you with dumb markups
On the Toyota website MSRP starting at $40,770. You're referring to the top level trims but they have a very wide range of trims for everyone starting as low as $40K for the 2025 4Runner.
Majority of people are not going to fully utilize all the features on the 4Runner, let alone go off roading or doing extreme rock climbing. It's a niche hobby and most people will use it as a grocery getter or mall mom. There are better and cheaper options out there.
"As low as $40k" MSRP*. That's before the distributor and dealer get hold of it. Starts out too high to begin with. Most will be sold at $45k+ in the real world.
The solution is quite simple! 30 YEAR vehicle loans!!!
I'm a manual car fan, but let's be honest it's now a niche thing like riding horses
Which is a shame. I suspect CVT's cost less to MFR and may even weigh less. For those of us who prefer sticks, there's always the used car market.
I was a toyota Highlandere devotee. But a new highlander hybrid costs over 50k due to availability. I refuse to pay that and am forced by Toyota to buy elsewhere. I will be purchasing a new car within the next two weeks but it will not be a Toyota due to corporate greed..
Comparing a $20,000 card to a $70,000 truck doesn't really equate
Your cost of ownership doesn`t include gas price...this is where and why many are moving the EV...!
Lots of vehicles will rot on the lots.
Broco for $70-80k? This is a $40k car
Toyota's website shows 2025 4Runner MSRPs from $40k* all the way up to $66k. We all know the V6 option is gone in 2025. So it's 4-banger turbo or 4-banger turbo hybrid only. First it was Tundra. Then LandCruiser. Then Tacoma. And finally now, the 4Runner.
I'm sure loyal Toyota owners are lined up to pay more for less already. So this will continue.
Toyota not as reliable as they had been.
New cars are a horrible proposition as mfg have had to meet ridiculous EPA emission standards. Not a single mfg will recognize that throwing a turbo or two to bolster a tiny four cylinder motor is a recipe for disaster. These little motors can not handle the pressures created by turbos. Many new cars fail far too soon. I can't bear to get rid of my 1st generation tacoma despite the 337,000 miles on the clock. I challenge any new car to meet this.
But zach corolla is pretty small and not a practical vehicle.
I disagree. The hatchback is. But if you have 2-3 kids and a dog, it's not the choice. He doesn't.
Don't give me the crap that a Corolla at 28,000 is what it should be. Corolla is a subcompact and the smallest car in their fleet. That car should be 21,000 base model and not a penny more. Affordable my A.S!
Hi guy's I here that Amazon is starting to sell cars what do you think
No one has any cash Toyota and customers cars have depreciated too fast creating negative equity - you're not going to sell expensive vehicles 👍
More corporate greed.
these car companies are just paving the way for Chinese cars to enter the market and of corse people want more reasonably affordable cars.
Toyotas SUV’s & trucks have gotten stupid expensive. Very few people are going to pay $70k for a midsize truck, especially when your quality has taken a huge hit. There are already reports of 2025 Tundras with engine failures. It’s pathetic that Toyota is still pushing these trucks out when they clearly haven’t figured out what the problem is
You can’t command these insane prices while delivering Ford quality
I'm so mad, I'm moving to Lexus!
Please! Please!I want to see you driving a manual car 😂😂
I learned how to drive a manual when I was 8 years old
And now, no child will ever learn stick. I'm a 32 year old and have never needed to know how to drive stick. Been driving since 8th grade.
Irony is a 20 something year old carless RUclips guy criticizing the largest auto manufacturer in the world. "Starts at" is misleading. These are the HIGHEST TRIM POSSIBLE for these vehicles. Maybe Zach needs a pay raise and he can buy a car to drive.
Buying/owning a car might give him a respect/credibility bump.
No car or truck is worth more than 20k and I'll never buy a vehicle over 20k. It's just a car, it's not a house! These cars will be junk in 5 years, and a house can last forever!
Toyota needs a 330hp Turbo 4 cylinder. Bring back the Taco 3.5L V6. Make it the size of the original Tundra that was a great truck. Put a twin turbo V6 in the Large Grand Hylander, Land Cruiser and new 4 Runner. Their grills are all ugly and the body’s are Cartoon looking. Like the 2000s Land Cruisers and Tundra back then were nice. Keep them simple looking.
Orange Zack… lol
My two used toyota and lexus purchases allow me to watch from the market sidelines all of these overpriced models sitting on borrowed time. I have the free time to watch with loads of discretionary income saved up.
Toyota to the dealers Old advertisement You Asked for it you got it. Toyota On your lot for months