I am a councillor I sent a proposal to the district council for 6 rapids.They rejected it and put 3 phase chargers instead that can only be used on a few makes of car .the rest like me only get 7kw as my vehicle only takes single phase .I am the only councillor with an EV. Council meetings are full of people with poor education . They don't even understand climate charge or the health problems fossil vehicles cause.
Indeed Bernard, it seems to be an issue with quite a few local councils... And yes Bernard, I've heard stories about some particular local councillors having the IQ of an Atlantic cod....
I've heard stories of councils not allowing home chargers on council properties. I also know someone on the planning committee of a local council who would never get an electric car as they cost to much to charge at home.doh
@@michealridgway7607 That figures Michael. Many local councils are full of councillors who don't even have much idea about council matters.... One wonders why a councillor would be in the least bit concerned with how much it might cost to charge an electric car at home, when he/she wouldn't be paying the electricity bill? But sadly that sort of warped logic appears rife in some local councils. You could be forgiven for thinking someone on a local council, might just have taken a few moments to research how much it costs to charge an EV at home, before making such a statement?
The new charging points were going to be part of a Morrisons service station. This means there would be cars constantly coming and going to get petrol with car doors being opened and closed like the clappers. A few charging points would make negligable difference
Where I live Epsom, the council has put in 7/11kw chargers in their carparks and charge for overnight parking! The adjacent council, mole valley, has put in their chargers with no overnight parking fee - Both are in Surrey! But at least we do have some kerb side chargers! Not sure if it’s the county council responsibility as it on the Highway!
This is one area where the wider government can help kick local councils into action. People don't need lamp-post chargers and charging hubs. They just need permission and a standardised way to run their own charge cable from their property across the footpath. The government needs to say "this footpath channel system is approved for nationwide use" and shove local councils into unwilling action. Kerbside charging with channel solutions like kerbocharge solves the problem for vast swathes of terraced housing, opening up EV use to a large number of less-well-off people that need them. It comes essentially for free - the council only needs to arrange a channel and leave the decision on which charger and the cost of the charger and the whole responsibility for maintaining the charger to the house owner. It seems like a no-brainer. The only reason local councils want charging hubs and expensive lamppost charging systems is because they can send the work to their donor mates for a bit of profit.
Where I live very very few EV owners use the 3.5kW kerbside charging posts in the local city because they are more expensive to use (and you have to pay for £1 an hour parking) than going to the edge of town park and ride where there are 30 x 22,11 and 7kW chargers and 5 x50kW chargers run by a Scottish government company,that are cheaper to use, parking is free and where there is a £1 return cost for a courtesy bus into the city centre. I see more ICE cars parking on the street parking post streets than EVs. I am lucky to live in a rural area out of the city where we have 4 unused 7kW. They are unused because all the locals (including social housing) have drives and home chargers running on cheap off peak tariffs. What was the point of digging up pavements to put in expensive to install and use kerbside very slow charging?
I found it amusing that in North Cumbria. The local councillor voted against a wind turbine because of the risk of the blades coming off and injuring someone.. The application was refused
That's utterly bonkers. I'll wager they couldn't quote a single incident/case of wind turbine blades detaching and injuring anyone.... Thousands of people are injured each year in general traffic accidents. I wonder what that particular councillor's take is on that? Statistically, more people are killed and injured falling down the stairs in their homes than will ever be injured by wind turbines....
A lot of Councillors are probably more biased to push back against EV infrastructure especially with a very vocal and increasingly organised opposition to shafting fossil fuel.
In the UK it has been for many years meetings about meetings.Many of these jobsworth it has gone to their head.Jobs take forever to get done and they hide behind a load of nonsense.Of course local councils are to blame like her in Hull I haven't seen any EV street chargers.
the problem with council is that they put them in BUT do not look after them at all. I know a charger that has been broken for years. if all supermarkets put solar on the supermarket roof then sell it to ev charging at a good price. it is UNFAIR that supermarkets brought out cheaper petrol to bring customers to there store. yet supermarket do not do this for ev drivers. Councils are just morons. if you are a sleep in bed see what car will not wake you up it will be an ev.
I find it crazy how local councils have so much power. Often they are ignorantly refusing requests for progress. If they actually tested and looked properly to understand what they are being requested to approve they may be more inclined to learn and approve. I believe technology exists that we could link kerbside 7/11kWh charging to peoples home electricity account to allow access to cheaper tariffs, with maybe an extra cost per kWh to help towards the installation. Finally kerbside charging car door noise will be exactly the same as a car parking and people getting in or out.
Even if Jan figures are lower for EVs than ICE, this only reflects the same pattern as at the start of 2024. However, by the end of 2024 EVs of all types were the only fuel-type cars showing any growth with both Diesel and Petrol in decline.
I'm interested to see if all the manufacturers selling in the UK restructure their pricing to bring a large preposition or the car's under the 40k luxury car bracket. I see no reason for them to have stupid RRP like the vauxhall Astra electric of £43 k when people are paying in the high 20s. I can see the id3/eNiro/Kona electric and many others dropping the top models down and squeezing the prices within the range to keep sales when April comes
@@bwarey52 - they'll probably pass on battery cost savings plus a smaller profit squeeze profits, hoping to increase sales volume to make up the lower profit per unit. This would make sense as analysis shows higher numbers of buyers considering to buy electric this year when replacing their existing ICE car. It may be that 2024 was the year that proved EV sales could grow, even in difficult circumstances (i.e. below projected total market sales volumes), with automakers committing to producing more EVs, bringing out more affordable mass-market models and generally being less cautious at replacing their ICE lines. It seems, particularly for the EU and the UK with their mandates, that automakers will pivot from pure-ICE to hybrids (HEV/PHEVs with their lower CO2 emissions earning much needed credits towards the mandates), whilst increasing the volume of BEV production. I suspect what the head of future strategy at Cap-HPI said about the market for ICE stalling from next-year onwards and the market shrinking uptill 2028/29, as the more reticent ICE owners hold onto their current cars for longer, then the automakers are seeking to reduce their costs in keeping ICE production going, swap to cheaper electrificed platform production and stimulate the sales on BEVs leading up to 2030.
*_Quick update: early release January figures show BEV sales are up on Jan 2024 by 34%, with some 27,693 vehicles sold, taking 21% market share compared to 15% market share in January 2024, seems BEV sales are off to a good start._* _In other updates, Tesla sales have fallen with BMW, Volkswagen, and Mercedes-Benz now taking the top three spots in new electric cars sales, Tesla falling from 8% to 5% market share now at no 7. in the list (also below Kia, Peugeot and Stellantis)._
Look up Chargeplace Scotland. Maybe Wales could do something similar. Scottish Government started this rollout at least 12 years ago, and are currently upgrading some of the old, slower chargers.
My council seems to be signing off on any chargers they can 😂 I’ve got at least 50 dc fast chargers within 5 miles of my house and they seem to be building more 😮
Regarding pricing, I live in Llydaw (Brittany) and my nearest high speed charger costs 25 €c or 20 UK pence per kilowatt. It is run by NW IE charge if you want to check. So you can have cheap hub charging, but the politicians (esp the right wing ones) are in bed with the fossil fuel industry.
I saw an article this morning about the Morrisons EV charging refusal. Apparently this is somewhat shoddy journalism where they have been selective in what they've reported and omitted that the application included a car wash facility. Also the council make it clear that a potential noise assessment must be included with the application which is why the council planning officers immediately rejected it. I don't understand why they didn't just ring them to say we need a noise assessment. Still who knows what the real reason is. As for kerbside charging there needs to be a clear set of rules for everyone. If some councils allow cables across the footpath with an approved non trip conduit which doesn't cause any problems, then why do others ban them. Is it the same as the ICE car good but EV bad brand of ignorance?
Every council states they have to have a consultation on Gully charging. Instead of having wasteful discussions , why not just ask other councils who have already installed gully charging successfully
@@grouchthatbarx Yes that makes perfect sense, but that's the way it seems to be. The thing is it works fine in places already, so the precident has already been set!
A few days ago I saw a video of petrol tanker explosion which engulfed the whole road and people who were standing quite far away. A few years ago I witnessed a diesel lorry burning and melting the surrounding Tarmac. Actually if you look up car fires you will see many many many many many many many many ICE fires.
@Terry-q7y logically you would be nervous driving any vehicle but knee jerking is your default setting. Data suggests ICE fires are more common. Use logic 👍
My take on public charger spend be either local or central government is match it pound for pound with spend on local public transport, as you said lack of electric buses, as the roll of governments is to cover all citizens regardless. As a note, I have a BEV but my wife and disabled son cannot drive so if I'm not about rely on public transport. It will all come down to supply and demand as we get towards 2030 and the private companies will cover the needs as they do now with dinosaur juice dispenser stations.
How long will pavement charging pillars last when there are certain peeps running around in vans that are quit partial in collecting copper cables of which these are, its happening here in my district its everywhere.....just sayin'
Lets see how long it will be for the recession to hit as the new tactic to sell ev's with approved finance loans,i'm also not happy that my council tax is going to fund ev chargers either.
@jamie211983 Im extremely happy, not a Grump like you 👍 Also more EV's on the road than ever before. EV's sold almost four times as much as diesel, not failing is it.
@@joemason9187 1,023 electric cars were stolen in 2023. 🤔 You sound like those people who say no one wants to buy electric cars, when you actually see loads of them driving around.
@@grouchthatbarx Again Grouch, another case of zero research prior to commenting..... You obviously found the theft figures/data quickly enough, so why couldn't he?
Looks like not all people subscribe to the evangelists club. You want an EV that's fine, go right ahead. Just don't try and force them on the rest of us dinosaurs.
@@grouchthatbarx I subscribe to the future just not the EV mandate. I would like to choose and not be told I'm wrong because I don't agree with their thinking.
@@JohnClark-yg3yh What exactly is it you want to choose between John? You'll still be able to buy a new ICE car for at least a further 3 to 4 years, and used ones for probably almost 20 years after then....by which time, sourcing petrol could well be an issue in some locations...
I am a councillor I sent a proposal to the district council for 6 rapids.They rejected it and put 3 phase chargers instead that can only be used on a few makes of car .the rest like me only get 7kw as my vehicle only takes single phase .I am the only councillor with an EV. Council meetings are full of people with poor education . They don't even understand climate charge or the health problems fossil vehicles cause.
@@bernardcharlesworth9860 we need more councillors like you 👍👍
Indeed Bernard, it seems to be an issue with quite a few local councils... And yes Bernard, I've heard stories about some particular local councillors having the IQ of an Atlantic cod....
I've heard stories of councils not allowing home chargers on council properties. I also know someone on the planning committee of a local council who would never get an electric car as they cost to much to charge at home.doh
@michealridgway7607 fully understand how you feel. Some are fed wrong information but my vehicle costs me £2.70 on octopus go on overnight tariff
@@michealridgway7607 That figures Michael. Many local councils are full of councillors who don't even have much idea about council matters.... One wonders why a councillor would be in the least bit concerned with how much it might cost to charge an electric car at home, when he/she wouldn't be paying the electricity bill? But sadly that sort of warped logic appears rife in some local councils. You could be forgiven for thinking someone on a local council, might just have taken a few moments to research how much it costs to charge an EV at home, before making such a statement?
The new charging points were going to be part of a Morrisons service station. This means there would be cars constantly coming and going to get petrol with car doors being opened and closed like the clappers. A few charging points would make negligable difference
The petrol station is already there with doors going like the clappers. 👍👍
Where I live Epsom, the council has put in 7/11kw chargers in their carparks and charge for overnight parking! The adjacent council, mole valley, has put in their chargers with no overnight parking fee - Both are in Surrey! But at least we do have some kerb side chargers! Not sure if it’s the county council responsibility as it on the Highway!
@@barrymurton8988 👍👍
Can't get my council to speed up ( North tyneside) they say they'll watch what Durham's trial says in Kerbo charge.
Pathetic.
@@Lewis_Standing 👍👍
This is one area where the wider government can help kick local councils into action.
People don't need lamp-post chargers and charging hubs. They just need permission and a standardised way to run their own charge cable from their property across the footpath. The government needs to say "this footpath channel system is approved for nationwide use" and shove local councils into unwilling action.
Kerbside charging with channel solutions like kerbocharge solves the problem for vast swathes of terraced housing, opening up EV use to a large number of less-well-off people that need them. It comes essentially for free - the council only needs to arrange a channel and leave the decision on which charger and the cost of the charger and the whole responsibility for maintaining the charger to the house owner.
It seems like a no-brainer. The only reason local councils want charging hubs and expensive lamppost charging systems is because they can send the work to their donor mates for a bit of profit.
@@robinallen7356 👍👍
Where I live very very few EV owners use the 3.5kW kerbside charging posts in the local city because they are more expensive to use (and you have to pay for £1 an hour parking) than going to the edge of town park and ride where there are 30 x 22,11 and 7kW chargers and 5 x50kW chargers run by a Scottish government company,that are cheaper to use, parking is free and where there is a £1 return cost for a courtesy bus into the city centre. I see more ICE cars parking on the street parking post streets than EVs. I am lucky to live in a rural area out of the city where we have 4 unused 7kW. They are unused because all the locals (including social housing) have drives and home chargers running on cheap off peak tariffs. What was the point of digging up pavements to put in expensive to install and use kerbside very slow charging?
@@timoliver8940 👍👍
I found it amusing that in North Cumbria. The local councillor voted against a wind turbine because of the risk of the blades coming off and injuring someone.. The application was refused
@@caterthun4853 👍👍
That's utterly bonkers. I'll wager they couldn't quote a single incident/case of wind turbine blades detaching and injuring anyone.... Thousands of people are injured each year in general traffic accidents. I wonder what that particular councillor's take is on that? Statistically, more people are killed and injured falling down the stairs in their homes than will ever be injured by wind turbines....
More people are injured or killed from falling trees than wind turbines.
A lot of Councillors are probably more biased to push back against EV infrastructure especially with a very vocal and increasingly organised opposition to shafting fossil fuel.
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In the UK it has been for many years meetings about meetings.Many of these jobsworth it has gone to their head.Jobs take forever to get done and they hide behind a load of nonsense.Of course local councils are to blame like her in Hull I haven't seen any EV street chargers.
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As a councillor I quite agree
the problem with council is that they put them in BUT do not look after them at all. I know a charger that has been broken for years.
if all supermarkets put solar on the supermarket roof then sell it to ev charging at a good price.
it is UNFAIR that supermarkets brought out cheaper petrol to bring customers to there store.
yet supermarket do not do this for ev drivers.
Councils are just morons.
if you are a sleep in bed see what car will not wake you up it will be an ev.
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I find it crazy how local councils have so much power. Often they are ignorantly refusing requests for progress. If they actually tested and looked properly to understand what they are being requested to approve they may be more inclined to learn and approve.
I believe technology exists that we could link kerbside 7/11kWh charging to peoples home electricity account to allow access to cheaper tariffs, with maybe an extra cost per kWh to help towards the installation.
Finally kerbside charging car door noise will be exactly the same as a car parking and people getting in or out.
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Even if Jan figures are lower for EVs than ICE, this only reflects the same pattern as at the start of 2024. However, by the end of 2024 EVs of all types were the only fuel-type cars showing any growth with both Diesel and Petrol in decline.
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I'm interested to see if all the manufacturers selling in the UK restructure their pricing to bring a large preposition or the car's under the 40k luxury car bracket. I see no reason for them to have stupid RRP like the vauxhall Astra electric of £43 k when people are paying in the high 20s. I can see the id3/eNiro/Kona electric and many others dropping the top models down and squeezing the prices within the range to keep sales when April comes
Overall from figures from smm show an increase in sells of EVs by 56%
@@bwarey52 - they'll probably pass on battery cost savings plus a smaller profit squeeze profits, hoping to increase sales volume to make up the lower profit per unit. This would make sense as analysis shows higher numbers of buyers considering to buy electric this year when replacing their existing ICE car.
It may be that 2024 was the year that proved EV sales could grow, even in difficult circumstances (i.e. below projected total market sales volumes), with automakers committing to producing more EVs, bringing out more affordable mass-market models and generally being less cautious at replacing their ICE lines.
It seems, particularly for the EU and the UK with their mandates, that automakers will pivot from pure-ICE to hybrids (HEV/PHEVs with their lower CO2 emissions earning much needed credits towards the mandates), whilst increasing the volume of BEV production.
I suspect what the head of future strategy at Cap-HPI said about the market for ICE stalling from next-year onwards and the market shrinking uptill 2028/29, as the more reticent ICE owners hold onto their current cars for longer, then the automakers are seeking to reduce their costs in keeping ICE production going, swap to cheaper electrificed platform production and stimulate the sales on BEVs leading up to 2030.
*_Quick update: early release January figures show BEV sales are up on Jan 2024 by 34%, with some 27,693 vehicles sold, taking 21% market share compared to 15% market share in January 2024, seems BEV sales are off to a good start._* _In other updates, Tesla sales have fallen with BMW, Volkswagen, and Mercedes-Benz now taking the top three spots in new electric cars sales, Tesla falling from 8% to 5% market share now at no 7. in the list (also below Kia, Peugeot and Stellantis)._
Look up Chargeplace Scotland. Maybe Wales could do something similar. Scottish Government started this rollout at least 12 years ago, and are currently upgrading some of the old, slower chargers.
@@gordonmackenzie4512 👍👍
My council seems to be signing off on any chargers they can 😂 I’ve got at least 50 dc fast chargers within 5 miles of my house and they seem to be building more 😮
@@Joeb4iley nice 👍
Regarding pricing, I live in Llydaw (Brittany) and my nearest high speed charger costs 25 €c or 20 UK pence per kilowatt. It is run by NW IE charge if you want to check. So you can have cheap hub charging, but the politicians (esp the right wing ones) are in bed with the fossil fuel industry.
@@antwnpowell 👍👍
Your quite right BP pulse is one of the highest priced chargers
I saw an article this morning about the Morrisons EV charging refusal. Apparently this is somewhat shoddy journalism where they have been selective in what they've reported and omitted that the application included a car wash facility. Also the council make it clear that a potential noise assessment must be included with the application which is why the council planning officers immediately rejected it.
I don't understand why they didn't just ring them to say we need a noise assessment.
Still who knows what the real reason is.
As for kerbside charging there needs to be a clear set of rules for everyone. If some councils allow cables across the footpath with an approved non trip conduit which doesn't cause any problems, then why do others ban them. Is it the same as the ICE car good but EV bad brand of ignorance?
Every council states they have to have a consultation on Gully charging. Instead of having wasteful discussions , why not just ask other councils who have already installed gully charging successfully
@@grouchthatbarx Yes that makes perfect sense, but that's the way it seems to be. The thing is it works fine in places already, so the precident has already been set!
@@JeffGrimes-e7u 👍👍
Councils are full poorly educated people
A few days ago seen a picture of an EV burnt out outside a house the lady said she heard a bang looked out the window and it was not even on charge
A few days ago I saw a video of petrol tanker explosion which engulfed the whole road and people who were standing quite far away.
A few years ago I witnessed a diesel lorry burning and melting the surrounding Tarmac.
Actually if you look up car fires you will see many many many many many many many many ICE fires.
@@grouchthatbarx I would be a nervous wreck driving an EV if i knew that could happen
@Terry-q7y logically you would be nervous driving any vehicle but knee jerking is your default setting.
Data suggests ICE fires are more common. Use logic 👍
@Terry-q7y look up gasoline tanker blast in central Nigeria... Now that should make you nervous.
@@Terry-q7yI'm surprised you're not a nervous wreck with a phone in your pocket, or any other battery items you have around your home.
My take on public charger spend be either local or central government is match it pound for pound with spend on local public transport, as you said lack of electric buses, as the roll of governments is to cover all citizens regardless.
As a note, I have a BEV but my wife and disabled son cannot drive so if I'm not about rely on public transport.
It will all come down to supply and demand as we get towards 2030 and the private companies will cover the needs as they do now with dinosaur juice dispenser stations.
@@colinrobinson7869 👍👍
bus make much noise... my zoe is noise on charching
@@contra_plano 👍👍
How long will pavement charging pillars last when there are certain peeps running around in vans that are quit partial in collecting copper cables of which these are, its happening here in my district its everywhere.....just sayin'
@@joemason9187 same as Catalytic converter thefts or actual car thefts.
Do we stop and roll over to criminal activity? The answer is is NO!
Lets see how long it will be for the recession to hit as the new tactic to sell ev's with approved finance loans,i'm also not happy that my council tax is going to fund ev chargers either.
@@jamie211983 the UK government's Local Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (LEVI) fund is not funded by council tax. There we go...you can be happy now
@@grouchthatbarxNo not really,where is the money coming from?the tax payer,you happy now?
@jamie211983 you stated your council tax, now you move the Goalposts 😆
@@grouchthatbarx it's still tax payers especially tax payers like me who don't want to fund ev adoption that has already failed.
@jamie211983 Im extremely happy, not a Grump like you 👍 Also more EV's on the road than ever before. EV's sold almost four times as much as diesel, not failing is it.
Onething for sure you can leave an ev open knowone would want to steal it
@@joemason9187 1,023 electric cars were stolen in 2023.
🤔 You sound like those people who say no one wants to buy electric cars, when you actually see loads of them driving around.
@@grouchthatbarx Again Grouch, another case of zero research prior to commenting..... You obviously found the theft figures/data quickly enough, so why couldn't he?
@Brian-om2hh 👍
@grouchthatbarx lol
Looks like not all people subscribe to the evangelists club. You want an EV that's fine, go right ahead. Just don't try and force them on the rest of us dinosaurs.
People who do not subscribe to the future are definitely dinosaurs. I would call it a static mind.
@@grouchthatbarx I subscribe to the future just not the EV mandate. I would like to choose and not be told I'm wrong because I don't agree with their thinking.
@JohnClark-yg3yh you don't subscribe to the future then.... You still want a combustion fume filled existence that resembles the past.
@@JohnClark-yg3yh What exactly is it you want to choose between John? You'll still be able to buy a new ICE car for at least a further 3 to 4 years, and used ones for probably almost 20 years after then....by which time, sourcing petrol could well be an issue in some locations...
@ Finally you get it.😀😀