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ELECTRIC CARS LAST 18.4 YEARS major new study projects 18-year lifespan for EV's
international university study found that even with intensive usage, EVs on average match the typical lifespan of their ICE counterparts.
www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/365707/electric-cars-are-just-reliable-petrol-cars-major-new-study-projects-18-year-lifespan
Researchers from the University of Birmingham, London School of Economics and Political Science, University of California San Diego and Switzerland’s University of Bern analysed more than 300 million MOT test records from between 2005 and 2022.
Dr Viet Nguyen-Tien of the London School of Economics and Political Science said the findings provide a “critical insight into the lifespan and environmental impact of electric vehicles”, describin...
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Rory Reid from AUTO TRADER compares Electric cars to Granola and petrol cars to Coco Pops
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Rory Reid from AUTO TRADER compares Electric cars to Granola and petrol cars to Coco Pops
Official figures show record EV sales in 2024. Early peek at the SMMT data for December 2024
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Official figures show record EV sales in 2024. Early peek at the SMMT data for December 2024 Electrifying link www.electrifying.com/blog/article/official-figures-show-record-ev-sales-in-2024?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1DbvBu-oBONHu4ivZWSXBRZAPe2vyz3U8Mj0PO03dHm4flNas7bivR7Kw_aem_9_l3FJO7FCVYqX6OFxeMxA
EURO 6 emissions are going to tighten massively for PHEVS as it changes to Euro 6e-bis
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EURO 6 emissions are going to tighten massively for PHEVS as it changes to Euro 6e-bis 1st Jan 2025 Euro 6e-bis New model 31st December 2025 all models 1st January 2027 Euro 6e-bis-FCM New emissions law changes
Is the Knee jerk Response from Anti EV Types Justified, or is it an overreaction to EV recalls?
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Is the Knee jerk Response from Anti EV Types Justified, or is it an overreaction to EV recalls? Porsche Taycan Battery recall.
Why do Non EV owners state that electric cars are only good for the Local Shops and Local Journeys
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Why do Non EV owners state that electric cars are only good for the Local Shops and Local Journeys. I get a lot of comments that EV's are only good for local shops and it's all about control and 15 minute cities. These comments always come from non EV owners
Are Huge EV discounts actually freaking out the Anti EV Crowd
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Are Huge EV discounts actually freaking out the Anti EV Crowd? I went on Autotrader and all cars had massive discounts, not just electric cars. Petrol diesel and Hybrid have huge discounts.
Used Electric Cars are selling FASTER than Petrol and Diesel models & they also outperformed Hybrids
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Used Electric Cars are selling FASTER than Petrol and Diesel models & they also outperformed Hybrids
The Mainstream media are actively asking for negative Anti EV stories to be sent in for clicks
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The Mainstream media are actively asking for negative Anti EV stories to be sent in for clicks. Anti EV stories must sell well. #telegraph #thetelegraph The telegraph are actively asking for negative EV stories. Check out my last video 👇 The Anti EV Clan are freaking out over Huge EV registrations in November 2024 The ZEV Mandate is working and driving EV sales up. Petrol sales down Diesel sale...
The Anti EV Clan are freaking out over Huge EV registrations in November 2024
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The Anti EV Clan are freaking out over Huge EV registrations in November 2024 The ZEV Mandate is working and driving EV sales up. Petrol sales down Diesel sales down Tesla sales up BYD sales up Polestar sales up
Huge EV Sales! The ZEV Mandate is working and EV sales are Massively up in November 2024
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Huge EV Sales! The ZEV Mandate is working and EV sales are Massively up in November 2024 The ZEV Mandate is working... Petrol sales down Diesel sales down Tesla sales up BYD sales up Polestar sales up
Are Negative EV Shills parts of the problem with slower electric vehicle take up
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Are Negative EV Shills parts of the problem with slower electric vehicle take up. Is social media payment for negative EV stories the biggest issue for misinformation and disinformation
Does defrosting my EV take much energy out of my battery on a cold icy morning
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Does defrosting my EV take much energy out of my battery on a cold icy morning. Some guy on Twitter/X thinks it takes 50 percent!
Driving after Storm Bert to Parc Erin and stopping off at a new Sainsbury's EV charging station
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Driving after Storm Bert to Parc Erin and stopping off at a new Sainsbury's EV charging station
Ben Sullins Roasts the MacMaster video The UK GOVERNMENT LIED about ELECTRIC CARS
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Ben Sullins Roasts the MacMaster video The UK GOVERNMENT LIED about ELECTRIC CARS
Waffle in a Hyundai Kona EV and How many electric cars can I spot on my short journey
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Waffle in a Hyundai Kona EV and How many electric cars can I spot on my short journey
I'm totally Shocked by How many Electric cars are Actually on the Roads Today in the UK
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I'm totally Shocked by How many Electric cars are Actually on the Roads Today in the UK
I was shocked by SMMT DATA for October! EV sales are up and everything else is down
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I was shocked by SMMT DATA for October! EV sales are up and everything else is down
Not Geoff Attacks Robert Llewelyn's integrity by trying to fact check him on EV's
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Not Geoff Attacks Robert Llewelyn's integrity by trying to fact check him on EV's
Record EV sales Electric car sales up for September while diesel sales mysteriously surge
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Record EV sales Electric car sales up for September while diesel sales mysteriously surge
EV's Are less Likely to be Written off than Petrol cars say New data driven study from CAP HPI
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EV's Are less Likely to be Written off than Petrol cars say New data driven study from CAP HPI
Is the Hyundai Kona EV Better Than the Nissan Leaf And a Trip the the Middle of Wales, well almost.
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Is the Hyundai Kona EV Better Than the Nissan Leaf And a Trip the the Middle of Wales, well almost.
BMW first ever Hydrogen fool cell production car announced for 2028 in joint venture with Toyota
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BMW first ever Hydrogen fool cell production car announced for 2028 in joint venture with Toyota
How Much did the Crash Damaged Hyundai Kona cost to repair ? PRICE REVEAL!
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How Much did the Crash Damaged Hyundai Kona cost to repair ? PRICE REVEAL!
The Anti EV Clan won't like this video as EV sales are still up not down
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The Anti EV Clan won't like this video as EV sales are still up not down
Did the Hyundai Kona EV pass the MOT?
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Did the Hyundai Kona EV pass the MOT?
Crash damaged Cat N Hyundai Kona EV is fully repaired and ready for an MOT
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Crash damaged Cat N Hyundai Kona EV is fully repaired and ready for an MOT
Hyundai Kona EV Interior Upgrade to facelift air vents. Far better air vents in the facelift model
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Hyundai Kona EV Interior Upgrade to facelift air vents. Far better air vents in the facelift model
5 Things I dislike about my Nissan Leaf and a silly design flaw that rusts the top shock mount.
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5 Things I dislike about my Nissan Leaf and a silly design flaw that rusts the top shock mount.
Crash damaged HYUNDAI KONA EV Coolant bleed and fitting more new parts
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Crash damaged HYUNDAI KONA EV Coolant bleed and fitting more new parts

Комментарии

  • @karendarrenmclaren
    @karendarrenmclaren Час назад

    Allow me to give you an example. My hybrid battery worked 7 years in Japan. And still held 90% of it's capacity. If true, car made 156K km. I used it for less than two years, plus year car was on hold. No one used it. I made 130K km in two years. Could have made more. But it's pointless. Battery is dead. New battery with same capacity, probably will last for another 100K or year and a half. Get what you want from it.

  • @brendanpells912
    @brendanpells912 3 часа назад

    Empirical evidence is that I can go out and see 15. 20, 25 year old ICE cars on the road, but I don't see any 15, 20, 25 year old EVs. Cars fail MoTs and get scrapped for various reasons un-related to the type of engine. If this report is based only on MoT test results, it takes no account of what owners have had to spend to keep their cars on the road. Take the example of Hertz, they found that the cost of EV repairs and the income lost due to them being off the road made them uneconomic.

  • @jonathanm9879
    @jonathanm9879 6 часов назад

    Nothing wrong with EV's, the problem is when the energy companies start charging you £100 for a 1 hour charge. We are half way there already.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 6 часов назад

      My energy company charges me around £4 for a full charge overnight on my drive... That usually lasts me around 220 miles..... Where are you paying £50 for an hour's charge?

    • @jonathanm9879
      @jonathanm9879 6 часов назад

      @@Brian-om2hh At the motorway service station when Im travelling. Not everyone can charge at home. Whats the point having an electric car that you can only charge on your own driveway?

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 3 часа назад

      @@jonathanm9879 I can charge at any public charging point, although I've never needed to for well over a year now.... My local charge network is priced at 45p per kwh if you use one of the 3 subscription rates they offer.... I'm almost 70 years old. I have no need or desire to travel much further than 80 to 100 miles from home these days....particularly as I have ongoing health issues. I'm also fortunate enough to live within 20 minutes drive from the heart of the Lake District, and around 45 minutes drive from the North Yorkshire Dales in the opposite direction, so I'm fine with that.

  • @fugdefano
    @fugdefano 7 часов назад

    brilliant i can keep my 2014 leaf until 2032. lol

  • @Terry-q7y
    @Terry-q7y 7 часов назад

    You mean 8 years at best and just put them in dis used airports to rot polluting the environment with there toxic batteries

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx 7 часов назад

      Terry you keep proving that you cannot grasp how Data works. It's pretty simple to understand, but beyond your mental capacity.

    • @Terry-q7y
      @Terry-q7y 6 часов назад

      @@grouchthatbarx After 18 months in very hot countries EV batteries have to be replaced

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 6 часов назад

      What's a "there" toxic battery? Grouch's daughter drives an 11 year old Nissan Leaf, still on it's original battery... Please produce the data to back up your claims......

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 6 часов назад

      @@Terry-q7y Which very hot countries? Name two? I take it you haven't heard of battery cooling systems? Personally, I think you just made that up.

    • @Terry-q7y
      @Terry-q7y 4 часа назад

      @@Brian-om2hh Either very cold or hot is not good for batteries

  • @contra_plano
    @contra_plano 7 часов назад

    My EV has 10,5 years

  • @zlozlozlo
    @zlozlozlo 7 часов назад

    I like the way you say "yős" instead of "year". To be honest, I wasn't a fan when I started watching the video, but it grew on me.

  • @armadilloify
    @armadilloify 7 часов назад

    Jeremy Clarkson must have delayed mass EV adoption in the UK by years. Someday someone will calculate the cost of this and it will be staggering.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx 7 часов назад

      I can't begin to understand who uses Clarkson as a guide to what car to purchase

  • @AbuSmily
    @AbuSmily 9 часов назад

    Your missing something here. Those cars that are 20 plus years old like mine were made in a time before flat screen tvs. A simpler time where people took pride in their work and they made cars that last. New cars don’t. Would be nice to see an average age of cars made after 2010 and before to compare true longevity.

    • @AbuSmily
      @AbuSmily 8 часов назад

      Yeah I wrote that before you mentioned it. A bit of premature posting.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx 8 часов назад

      Data . According to available data, the average age of a scrapped car in the UK around 1990 would be around 14 years old. The average age of a scrapped car in the UK from recent studies is around 16 years old. I have been driving for 37 years and when I first started driving I remember cars just rusted to bits.

    • @AbuSmily
      @AbuSmily 8 часов назад

      @@grouchthatbarx interesting. I’m a fair bit younger than yourself. But most issues I see on new cars are technology based. Funny that, age perspective and how it affects biases.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx 7 часов назад

      I'm from a time where the bonnet was open more times than the drivers door. Modern cars are far more reliable than 80's cars, although modern diesels not so much.

    • @AbuSmily
      @AbuSmily 7 часов назад

      @ I never thought about it like that. I suppose by the time I came through the old cars that were around were survivors and thus only the most reliable. Thanks for the info and changing my mind. Always good to be challenged.

  • @davefitzpatrick4841
    @davefitzpatrick4841 10 часов назад

    I have a 2016 30kwh leaf , these are renowned for poor battery management and earlier models poor battery chemistry. I am lucky that mine still has full 12 battery bar's and battery health is around 87.5% . Even most of the poir chemistry leafs in the uk are still on the road but with reduced miles , but still good for the school run, shopping, short commute etc . Mine shows around 110 miles of range this time of year and around 123 in summer. Its been a great local car and just let down when doing long distance trips ( done a few 300+ trips ) where battery overheating can be an issue aa well as now the availability of Chademo connectors. This year saddly I will be saying goodbye to it, had 41 years of driving and my leaf has been by far the most reliable car I've owned, even considering its old poir outdated battery technology. Next car? Another Ev with 300 miles of range and better battery tech and chances are it could well be my last ever car .

  • @alexco5881
    @alexco5881 11 часов назад

    The Nissan Leaf was first sold in 2010. The Tesla Roadster was first sold in 2008 (USA sales). So I'm curious about which older EVs this survey refers to. Or do they just extrapolate 18 years based on retention / loss rates ? Leaf batteries suffer degradation due to excess heat if fast charged regularly. I think Nissan failed badly when they face lifted the leaf and failed to add liquid cooling. And now Nissan is skint. I note Toyota's BZ4X does not have liquid cooling in it's battery. Really stupid not to learn from the Leaf's failings. By comparison the liquid cooled Tesla batteries do have impressive longetivity.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx 9 часов назад

      Extrapolate is the correct word, but there are EVs close to that age. Also the study states less problems from newer EVs as battery management and cooling are much better. The newest EV batteries will no doubt start outlasting the car.

  • @Neojhun
    @Neojhun 12 часов назад

    FYI Rav4 EV from Y2K era with only Nickel Metal Hydride battery. Seems to survive to about 17 years. When the battery is too degraded it has problems output a safe amount of peak power reliably. Actual degradation is way beyond 60% working capacity. This is what we know from real world old EVs.

  • @bshah4831
    @bshah4831 13 часов назад

    Rory Reid of Autotrader found a Tesla S with 450k miles on the clock had 70% battery available. This would represent about 20 plus years for a typical car.

  • @GeoGeo451
    @GeoGeo451 15 часов назад

    Sorry I'm definitely not anti ev at all. If fact I'm waiting a few more years before I can get a cheap deal on one second hand in Australia. But I didn't think evs had been around for 18 years ?? Except for a few rare ones that had old battery tech that gets replaced eg Nissan leaf ect.

    • @andrewjoy7044
      @andrewjoy7044 14 часов назад

      I was waiting for someone to point this out. Yhe average age of all EVs globally would only be about 4 to 5 years. The Nissan Leaf, the first modern EV in mass production, was first built in 2010 making it about 15 years old.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx 9 часов назад

      It's the expected age extrapolated from data. There are EVs coming close to that age if you dig deep enough. So are you saying you do not expect the average scrappage age of EVs to be 18.4 years?

    • @andrewjoy7044
      @andrewjoy7044 8 часов назад

      @ I expect the scrappage age to eventually be closer to 30 years than 20. With ICE, vehicles are scrapped because the main components, motor and transmission are too expensive to fix. In EVs batteries can last along time but with less range and the motors can also last a long time.

    • @GeoGeo451
      @GeoGeo451 8 часов назад

      @grouchthatbarx I expect Evs batterys to last a long time, but I would not expect the rest of the car to last any longer than an ice car. And I think making claims like this gives anti ev people easy amo to argue with. I'm extremely pro EV, but I can instantly see flaws in your argument. Let's try and keep the facts straight as that gives us the factual high ground rather than resorting to predictions that can't be proven yet.

    • @GruffSillyGoat
      @GruffSillyGoat 7 часов назад

      The study found that an EV would about the same age as an ICE, a little under two year more than a diesel but three months shorter than a petrol. For mileage, diesels did sliglty more than an EV before being scrapped and a petrol a bit less than the EV.

  • @smcl8419
    @smcl8419 20 часов назад

    The type of people who call asylum seekers illegals are the type who call electric cars milkfloats.

  • @saxon-mt5by
    @saxon-mt5by 23 часа назад

    I very much doubt that many modern cars - EV or ICE - will last 18 years; the electronic complexity will probably result in uneconomic repairs long before then.

  • @Jimages_uk
    @Jimages_uk День назад

    In the past, I always bought cars at around 8 to 10 years old, and pretty much all of them became economically unviable by the time they were 15 years old, the oldest was 17 years old. All were scrapped apart from one, which was sold as a part exchange, but checking it a year later, it was soon, and never put back on the road. I bet the scrap value of an EV is far higher than any ICE cars, as well.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx 23 часа назад

      👍👍

    • @bordersw1239
      @bordersw1239 21 час назад

      The opposite, you’re going to have to pay to get that battery scrapped , until the government gets its act together and works out who pays.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 5 часов назад

      @@bordersw1239 Nonsense. Expired EV batteries are worth serious money, and are sought after by the energy industry. Example could be the large sports stadium in Utrecht in Holland, which uses around 200 ex Nissan Leaf batteries, charged via solar. A further example might be the large wind farm in South Wales, which uses ex BMW i3 batteries for energy storage.....

    • @bordersw1239
      @bordersw1239 2 часа назад

      @ those 33 kWh i3 batteries were brand new - they bought them direct from BMW the same year they started making the 33 kWh version.

  • @pieceofhamvr6631
    @pieceofhamvr6631 День назад

    Just did 3 years in a Q4 e-tron, 43 k miles, battery capacity is at 95% compared to new. Rating is A+ by ClearWatt, I had in total 6 tires changed due to alignment issues, an alignment adjustment, windscreen fluid, a cabin filter change… the rest just the charge. MOT at three years was impeccable….

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      👍👍

    • @Peter-je6td
      @Peter-je6td 22 часа назад

      @@grouchthatbarx so brand new car didn't break down great

  • @benholroyd5221
    @benholroyd5221 День назад

    4:06 Yes it does. Some will be written off in a crash on the first day, some will still be around in 100 years. 18.4 years is the average. your 25 year old car brings up the average. the one that gets scrapped after 5 years brings down the average.

  • @rogerfroud300
    @rogerfroud300 День назад

    Sorry, did I miss whether they are considering an EV to have come to the end of its lifespan if the battery has less than 80% capacity, or some other arbitrary figure? I can't imagine them saying that as long as an EV has 10% left it's still viable. However, if you've got one who's battery has 70% of it's original capacity, you're probably just going to keep using it as if nothing has changed. That's not an 'end of life' situation, unlike an Engine blowing a gasket.

    • @GruffSillyGoat
      @GruffSillyGoat День назад

      Cause of scrappage was not considered, rather the research was agnostic to such details and was determined by analysing 300 million European and US 'MOT' (or similar) records, showing whether a vehicle was still on the road or not. The study also produced results for other fuel type cars, not just BEVs. This is a statistical approach that seeks to remove evidence bias from the results.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx 23 часа назад

      It's more likely that at 18.4 years old corrosion would begin to be an issue. Brake pipes might need replacing, the car could leak. At a certain point a car is not economically viable.

    • @paulc6766
      @paulc6766 23 часа назад

      @@grouchthatbarx Maybe one day those of you in Northern Europe will not have to contend will salt on the road if something better is used. Your cars will last longer and not rust.

    • @GruffSillyGoat
      @GruffSillyGoat 22 часа назад

      @ - they've tried other remidies, they've either not lasted (protection runs off with the melt water) or resulted in ground water poisoning (fish don't get along with a number of deicing chemicals). In the end grit salt remains the most cost effective approach.

  • @garydmercer
    @garydmercer День назад

    Facts speak loudly. I suspect that my 2021 model 3 Tesla rear wheel drive will last many more years to come. Not worrying about it. Don't miss the smelly, filthy gas stations. Charge at home and rarely use a supercharger for longer trips. The oil industry spent billions in anti-EV propaganda and put. many social media influencers on their payroll and its been quite successful at curbing sales of EVs. The oil industry is the problem, not EVs. I live in Sunny Southern California. Cars just don't rust here. I suspect my Tesla will last longer than 20 years.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      👍👍

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      It's different here in the UK Gary. In Winter, many local councils cover the roads in salt, to get rid of the snow and ice. You can only imagine what that does to the underside of a car.....That said, some cars sold here do seem better protected on the underside than others....

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 3 часа назад

      I've said it before though Gary. The oil industry has a much bigger problem looming over the horizon, and that's oil reserves running low or becoming unviable, along with increasing numbers of towns and cities placing entry restrictions on ICE cars, which is already beginning to happen here in the UK.

  • @timoliver8940
    @timoliver8940 День назад

    Yesterday over I million people lost their power supply so no electric heating/cooking but also gas powered boilers need an electric supply. Here in central Scotland there are still many people who haven’t got their electricity supply back and won’t until Sunday night or Monday. Unfortunately my EV doesn’t have V2L but my sister’s EV 9 with a nigh on 100 kWh battery has been giving them enough juice to keep them from worrying about when the power will come back - yes they live in a hamlet and yes they have log burners and a log burning cooker but they need water from their own supply and that is what has been powered by the Kia - it’s been powering their electric water pump for nearly two days now and it’s kept them in contact with the outside world by using their e-sim in the car for internet and phone calls, they’ve been told they won’t have mains power back before Sunday night. EVs have other uses than just transportation - bloody big phone battery chargers for a start! My lovely diesel Land Rover cannot power anything except it’s engine - once the lease is up on my current EV I’ll certainly be looking for a Korean or Chinese EV that have V2L as standard.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      An increasing number of EV's now coming to the market, seem to have V2G/V2L capability, which has to be worth thinking about....

    • @johndoyle4723
      @johndoyle4723 День назад

      Yes when you have a power cut the petrol stations are out as well, so no petrol. I have an EV6 and have used the V2L a few times. You can also get gas central heating working as well by plugging the boiler into your car it will work the boiler and circulating pump

    • @paulc6766
      @paulc6766 23 часа назад

      @@johndoyle4723 Yes they always forget that petrol pumps need electricity.

    • @oliver90owner
      @oliver90owner 23 часа назад

      You could run a mains voltage inverter from your Land Rover? Maybe 500W or less? Keep the 12V battery charged by running the engine (while the fuel lasts)? Most definitely not a particularly efficient way of going on, but possible. My power might cost me 15p/unit (inefficiencies after charging at 9.5p/unit) and I could easily last over a week if my battery were full at the start of the outage. I wonder what your unit cost, of electricity used, would be, if generated by your Land Rover.🙂

    • @Peter-je6td
      @Peter-je6td 22 часа назад

      @@paulc6766 ever heard of a generator

  • @Sp_75-76
    @Sp_75-76 День назад

    Anyone heard from Geoff Buys Cars, or his mate the MacMaster lately?

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      Not me, I blocked their channels over a year ago. I don't see either of their channels anymore. Simple to do on RUclips, just a couple of clicks....

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx 20 часов назад

      MacMaster is still managing the eke out 999 ways on how to say something bad about his Taycan

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 5 часов назад

      @@grouchthatbarx He'll eventually apply BBC logic, and go right back to the beginning to repeat himself....

  • @robinallen7356
    @robinallen7356 День назад

    I keep reading vomits on farcebook saying "Well my car has lasted me 25-30 years, and I hope my next ICE car will too." I was reading vomits like that right before watching this video. These people saying "my car has lasted 20+ years" are either straight up lying, or they are the one-in-a-hundred-thousand that has kept such a car running at stupid expense because they love it and don't want to let it go. When I bought my first car 29 years ago, it was a choice between a Vauxhall Corsa - the old rounded-bum shape, 3-cylinder 970cc one, or a Citroen Saxo. The Citroen Saxo was the in-fashion car at the time for the young kids. So tell me, when did you last see a Citroen Saxo? I don't remember seeing those since at least a decade ago. When did you last see one of the original shape Vauxhall Corsa? I've seen one in the last ten years, and it was up on bricks being stripped for spares. Cars just don't last 20+ years in a damp climate. Maybe in Arizona or Texas - sure, in a hot dry climate you might keep steel from rusting and keep repainting old cars. But anywhere like northern US states or UK the cars just don't last that long. The panels rust to nothing. The salt destroys wheel arches and suspension components. Any car becomes a money pit after 20 years. If my rusting falling apart car has a petrol engine or a battery will make not a jot of difference when it is 20 years old and all the other components are done for.

    • @GruffSillyGoat
      @GruffSillyGoat День назад

      Another potential is they reside in countries where a lower quality of vehicles on the road is accepted and don't have regulatory annual inspections to ensure a minimal level of maintenance and safety of a vehicle to be allowed on the road. Those countries with regular inspection and safety standards tend to scrap cars much earlier than those that don't have such care for their population.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 5 часов назад

      Nobody but nobody keeps a car for 25 to 30 years. Unless it's in a glass case and they never drive it.

  • @solarguy4850
    @solarguy4850 День назад

    My 2015 Tesla MS has lasted 50% longer than any ICE car I’ve owned. It has 250,000 miles (380,000 km) and 87% battery .. and it drives as new. I have no interest in selling it. The average ICE car does 160,000 miles (250,000 km) .. 2hich is what I usually get. No question EVs are better cars, more fun, cheaper to own, and they don’t kill you with toxic fumes.

  • @BeingD2023
    @BeingD2023 День назад

    Ev batteries last longer due to 1 simple fact. its called Battery Management system. Unless its a leaf had none so batteries die faster. there is many tesla's over 14 years old and still have good range, Now at 18yrs how many spark plugs needed etc. for a petrol car.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      Exactly. The haters are starting to use the term "throw away cars" when describing EV's, yet they can't cite a single example of anyone throwing one away..... They also conveniently overlook the fact that ICE cars have been thrown away and scrapped for decades...

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx 20 часов назад

      👍👍

    • @andrewjoy7044
      @andrewjoy7044 14 часов назад

      The Tesla Model S was released in June 2012 so the oldest is 12.5 years. I personally don't consider The Roadster, which came out in 2008, in production EVs as this was more of a test to prove the viability of EVs.

    • @BeingD2023
      @BeingD2023 7 часов назад

      @@Brian-om2hh everything we have is throw away in Russia even people are throw away

  • @GruffSillyGoat
    @GruffSillyGoat День назад

    Grouch, did you see the other article on the price gap between ICE and BEV's shrinking significantly that came out at the same time as the 18.4 year one (both top line articles on evpowered). In summary, analyst JATO Dynamics has reported the gap has closed worldwide and specifically regarding the UK the price gap between BEVs and ICE has gone from 51% higher for BEVs, five years ago, to 18% higher in 2024, which means for a £30k ICE car the EV price difference has shrunk from £45.3k to £35.4k well within the equivalent price point due to lower EV running costs and better finance deals available. The cause of the reducing in pricing gap, is not just down the lower EV costs (mainly from battery price reduction and production line scaling) but also from ICE cars becoming more expensive (as production capacity falls, and shifts to EVs, plus component and external cost increases). These reductions also don't reflect the recent crop of more affordable EVs that came onto the market and will continue to do so over the course of 2025, which could mean that EVs may rapidly shoot past the ICE price parity point to being cheaper overall in a fairly short period.

    • @Peter-je6td
      @Peter-je6td 22 часа назад

      Yea because companys reduce the cost of products when they are in high demand

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx 20 часов назад

      👍👍

  • @solentbum
    @solentbum День назад

    I would ask the Anti brigade to read the full report before exposing their ignorance.

    • @GruffSillyGoat
      @GruffSillyGoat День назад

      I suspect at the moment they're being hit by a double whammy of the things they projected last year not coming to bear, and lots of positive news about EVs coming out of many corners, including sources they beleived supported their particular point of view. So don't know which way to jump at the moment so probably not reading anything in detail in case it brings yet more discomfort.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 23 часа назад

      @GruffSillyGoat Yes indeed. Even as long as 3 years ago, so EV haters were proudly (and loudly) proclaiming the end of the electric car, when several charge networks chose to increase their prices...... Another well known - and extremely vocal EV hater, made a huge song and dance about charge cable thefts, proclaiming it would bring about the end of EV's. That was also around 3 years ago....

    • @GruffSillyGoat
      @GruffSillyGoat 22 часа назад

      @ - cable thefts is a daft argument, the likes of ChargePoint have just introduced armour (lightweight carbon fibre strands) to make them cut proof to most power tools or damage the tool on the first cut attempt.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx 20 часов назад

      👍👍

  • @MrFuckwit999
    @MrFuckwit999 День назад

    Funnily enough I was driving my BiL's 406 last summer... in Turkey, although it is pretty antiquated even for there. Like going back to the stone age.

  • @lyfebehyndbars9729
    @lyfebehyndbars9729 День назад

    Those old engines people brag about aren’t actually as old as the brag. They just replace it one part at a time over time.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      👍👍

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      It's like the old Blacksmiths hammer. He's had it for 50+ years, although it's had 4 new heads and 5 new handles.....

    • @lyfebehyndbars9729
      @lyfebehyndbars9729 23 часа назад

      @ 🤣

    • @lessheppard
      @lessheppard 10 часов назад

      Triggers broom

  • @bernardcharlesworth9860
    @bernardcharlesworth9860 День назад

    Rust will kill EVs. Garages are starting to change electric motor bearings instead of the whole transmission making repair not a key issue. If you're buying a new EV I would go for undersealing to extend vehicle life .

  • @GV-xx7vh
    @GV-xx7vh День назад

    Clarkson has always been a muppet.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      Agreed. A highly paid one, but still nevertheless a muppet......

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      👍👍

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      👍

    • @BeingD2023
      @BeingD2023 День назад

      Clarkson refused to give ev a change. at the time he tested one there were few places to charge. its different now

    • @javelinXH992
      @javelinXH992 День назад

      I see he is now claiming that the recent storm warnings are an “anti-Tory narrative”. The weather was not too bad here in the Cotswolds, but further north it was horrendous. What a little t*** to turn other people’s awful experiences into self promoting propaganda.

  • @ISuperTed
    @ISuperTed День назад

    The Daily Fail published this and boy did it trigger the usual crowd. Most common comment was it’s fake news and paid for by Ed Millband! I threw in a few replies just to wind them up further, it’s just comedy gold. 😂

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      👍👍

    • @GruffSillyGoat
      @GruffSillyGoat День назад

      Auto Express published it as well, but went for a non-threatening neutal headline *_"Electric cars are just as reliable as petrol cars ..."._*

    • @HowardLeVert
      @HowardLeVert 23 часа назад

      The Mail and its readers are just a bunch of reactionaries who only know what they don't like - which is basically change and the modern world.

  • @MrDAVIDATKIN
    @MrDAVIDATKIN День назад

    Great vid, I'm sure EV hater brain cogs are whirring trying to think up other excuses why they won't buy one.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      👍👍

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      Depreciation seems to be the one stuck in their heads just now. Why such concern about the depreciation on a type of car they say they'll never own? And it isn't like ICE cars don't depreciate, because all those I've owned over the past 50 odd years did.....

    • @MrDAVIDATKIN
      @MrDAVIDATKIN День назад

      @@Brian-om2hh absolutely if a car depreciates a lot it just makes it a good buy for someone second hand. Most people buy used anyway.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      @@MrDAVIDATKIN Correct.

    • @RuislipResident-v7p
      @RuislipResident-v7p День назад

      Just let them not buy one then. Once they can't get a used ICE car, then they can walk, cycle, scoot, skate or use public transport or taxis. I'm certainly not bothered if that causes them any grief at that future point in time.

  • @Jaw0lf
    @Jaw0lf День назад

    Over recent years cars have got better, the same applies to EV's. So yes modern ICE cars have almost reached their top level they can reach and all thoughts are now on the EV's, so we will continue to see them improve. Batteries are much better and safer already. LFP can be used to 100% all the time and does not burn if punctured. This completely squashes many arguments against them. Remember that ICE cars have a rattle as the engine is running that will stress various parts of the body work and add the engine services, brake wear so far more things need to be replaced. As for our batteries, when they run out for car use, that may need up to 50-60kWh in an instant, a home with maximum draw of just 5kWh is perfect. it is not a problem if the capacity has fallen as it will still work, maybe instead of 15kWh it would be 12kWh. Still plenty for that job or add 2 to power the home or even the grid!

  • @stevebishop2139
    @stevebishop2139 День назад

    Before I bought my EV, I listened to people who had experience of electric cars. I asked a work colleague about his experience with an EV which was all positive. I can't understand how some people are able to hate things that they know nothing about.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      I call it the porridge factor. You could liken it to complaining and moaning about the taste and cost of porridge, when they never eat it or buy it....

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      👍👍

    • @rugbygirlsdadg
      @rugbygirlsdadg День назад

      People dislike food they've never eaten. "Foreign muck".....

    • @johnmason5626
      @johnmason5626 День назад

      It’s because they are feeble minded and unable to deal with change.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      @@johnmason5626 They don't have to if they don't wish to. Nobody will ever force them to own an EV against their will. There will be used ICE around for the next 20 odd years, possibly more. However, the main issue they could well face in 10 to 15 years, is the ready availability of fuel to put in them....

  • @nickt6965
    @nickt6965 День назад

    Average life expectancy of a horse is 25 years and they don't have any batteries

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      No, but they do come with horrendous running costs, such as stabling fees, vets bills (go outside to scream), and reshoeing at £150 plus per corner, at frighteningly regular intervals if you ride it on tarmac. Plus you can't take a horse on Britain's motorway or major road network, carrying several passengers and a boot-full of luggage. Are you seriously suggesting we should all revert to using horses? Who will clear all the horse crap away each day, after a few million horses have been used regularly? My neighbour's tortoise is around 50 years old, and that doesn't have any batteries either, although I'd never consider strapping a tortoise to each foot for the daily commute. I'm unsure what point you were trying to make.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      👍👍

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      Do you commute on a horse 🐎?

    • @loulou53137
      @loulou53137 День назад

      @@Brian-om2hh They are also slow as anything long distance. It's so bad that even the invention of the bicycle was an improvement.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      @@loulou53137 Exactly. I almost considered making that point too....

  • @alunjones4427
    @alunjones4427 День назад

    I brought my Tesla around three years back second hand only around 70.000 Miles it now has over 140.000 Miles on battery still in good condition according to monitoring app. Reason I brought it was I need a reliable & comfortable car that can do my weekly run from Muswell Hill London to Fleetwood Lancashire. Probably paid for it self in fuel savings already.😂😂

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      👍👍

    • @paulc6766
      @paulc6766 23 часа назад

      Blimey two place I knew well (Muswell Hill London to Fleetwood).

  • @mikadavies660
    @mikadavies660 День назад

    Thanks to the EV haters and car dealers that still do not value BEVs, I have just purchased a wonderful 4 year old Mercedes EQC at less than one third of its original RRP. Still having a great battery warranty and many 200,000 taxi high mileage models still running on its original battery. So with just 30,000 miles on the clock, I should have a few years of great motoring ahead of me.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      👍👍

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      And why not?

    • @loulou53137
      @loulou53137 День назад

      I did the same, I watched all the news articles about EV depreciation and realised that buying a secondhand one was a bargain. It's the best car I've ever owned by far for the money.

    • @GruffSillyGoat
      @GruffSillyGoat День назад

      Many people are, Cinch (i.e. BCA/we buy any car group) reported used BEVs sales were up 311% and are leaving their yards 26 days earlier than ICE cars. I suspect once the 2024 used car stats are out, normally sometime in Feb, they will show a dramatic uptake mainly due to the drepreciation bargins. On the plus side this is likely a one off transitional spike, one that will start to bring down the new car prices as they've been priced for the expected depreciation loss not the the initial higher technology cost. Hopefully the pricing level stablises with new BEVs becoming cheaper and used BEVs reflecting a more typical 30% at 3 year point depreciation level.

    • @oliver90owner
      @oliver90owner 23 часа назад

      @GruffSillyGoat ​​⁠​⁠ That 300+ % increase is likely, in part, to the increasing number of leased cars coming to the market. It will decrease as more and more EVs are sold on, for replacement EVs after leasing. Not enough, yet, on the second hand market for them to hang about before being purchased (as well as their popularity, of course). It’s only statistics, after all - and one set of results is not necessarily the norm. My EV, if I part-exchanged it, would be quickly snapped up by a new owner. That is one reason why I won’t be changing it! I might as well keep the salesperson’s/dealership’s chunk of cash in my pocket (and pretend I’m the new owner of a fantastic EV replacement for my last fossil burner.)🙂 I am expecting it to last at least another 15 years - probably longer than I will.

  • @Lewis_Standing
    @Lewis_Standing День назад

    There's a lot of fizzing on the mic 🎤. When i noticed that on my videos it was because the recording software was using the built in mic for the tower and picking up the CPU fan. ..check if you can select your webcam Mic 🎤 in the settings

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      I use a USB audio interface. It might be picking up the PC fans behind me

  • @ianemery2925
    @ianemery2925 День назад

    The anti-EV crowd DO have higher than average upper body strength, it is needed due to the density of the lump of rock between their ears; this is also the reason they tend to have very thick necks.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      😂👍👍

    • @muskrat3291
      @muskrat3291 20 часов назад

      Also, they tend to have heavily callused knuckles from dragging them on the ground.

    • @ianemery2925
      @ianemery2925 20 часов назад

      @@muskrat3291 I believe I found a picture of one bitsocialmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Internet-Troll.jpg

  • @dogbreath6974
    @dogbreath6974 День назад

    My phone is over 7 years old, the battery gives me about 5/6 hours run time and I've always charged it to full. Is it as good as new, no but, it's good enough for me. Car batterys are much better with their thermal management, some Evs like the Nissan Leaf were not as good because the lack of it. Batteries do last, even in phones which are known to last a couple years.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      👍👍

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      I have an 11 year old Makita cordless hammer drill. The original battery still works fine. It perhaps doesn't last as long as when it was new - I haven't timed or measured it - but for day to day DIY jobs around my house, I haven't noticed much, if any difference.

    • @loulou53137
      @loulou53137 День назад

      I charge mine to 80% and it does apparently make a difference. Also my phone battery gets warm when charging and doesn't have liquid cooling like my car does so hopefully the car will do even better.

  • @Brian-om2hh
    @Brian-om2hh День назад

    I still often raise a smile at the fantasy-like misperceptions of EV ownership, cited by some vocal anti EV posters.....

  • @Brian-om2hh
    @Brian-om2hh День назад

    I don't attach much - if any - credibility to anything Jeremy Clarkson says. Having watched a number of his farming videos, he can't tell the difference between a field full of wheat and one full of barley..... Remember, this is the man who regularly criticised diesel emissions for being a primary cause of cancer, while at the same time regularly chuffing his way through 30+ cigarettes per day....

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      Unfortunately some people give him far too much Credibility.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh День назад

      @@grouchthatbarx Agreed Grouch..👍👍

    • @HowardLeVert
      @HowardLeVert 23 часа назад

      The man's an oaf, but he knows what'll line his pockets. I did enjoy Victoria Derbyshire owning him on the farm inheritance tax dodge, which clearly got under his skin as he tried to deflect.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 22 часа назад

      @@HowardLeVert And there was that wonderful moment on Top Gear a few years back, when he was spectacularly shown up by Carol Vorderman, who has a string of Engineering Qualifications after her name...... Something to do with how turbochargers function, if my memory serves me correctly..... I can still hear the cheer from the Top Gear audience!

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 22 часа назад

      @@HowardLeVert Yes, I watched that with a hint of satisfaction....

  • @crm114.
    @crm114. День назад

    If single-crystal electrode batteries can be made at scale, they will be good for around 5 million miles. They will have to made removal as they will outlast several car bodies.

  • @brianbarcroft9167
    @brianbarcroft9167 День назад

    And, don't forget that this survey, by definition, is based on the early EVs. Modern EVs are a step up.

    • @grouchthatbarx
      @grouchthatbarx День назад

      Definitely 👍👍

    • @Davran2742
      @Davran2742 День назад

      Exactly: the 18.4 years will go up to 19.4 years in a year.

    • @criticalthinkersrule
      @criticalthinkersrule 5 часов назад

      I was going to make a comment and saw that you already said it almost word for word.

    • @brianbarcroft9167
      @brianbarcroft9167 4 часа назад

      @criticalthinkersrule Great minds...😀

  • @David-bl1bt
    @David-bl1bt 3 дня назад

    I find it hilarious that these ICE age fossil fools are wetting their pants and crying in their alphabetti- spagetti with worry at the thought of losing their Diesel dummy and petrol passifier🤣😂 Typically the ones that are talking the nonsense are of low intellect, hence gullible enough to be enticed to follow the lemmings that are sucked-into the Beano readers jackanory channels for their educational needs and repeat parrot fashion with the brlief that they look intelligent 😂.... failing to realise that they just look profoundly dumb by their cringe-worthy ignorance.😂

  • @stever656
    @stever656 8 дней назад

    Had my Kona 4 years 50,000 miles now have Tesla model3 for 6 months I have never had such cheap running costs and honestly zero problems with the Tesla 6 months old but that should be like that and my Kona over 4 years 3 years free servicing had 12v battery replaced as it was faulty under warranty paid for coolant service and tyres everything has been easier than all the cars I have had over the last 40 odd years of driving

  • @Lewis_Standing
    @Lewis_Standing 9 дней назад

    He was mainly explaining thr ZEV mandate and how the manufacturers can get around it. And rather than Rory's opinions or regrets about no new petrol cars to review, he's doing a job for auto trader who are trying to appese an audience who've been politicized into opposing EVs

  • @marvinsamuels1237
    @marvinsamuels1237 9 дней назад

    I was disappointed with the video. AutoTrader generally try to be balanced, including Rory, but this video felt like he was paying lip service to the anti-EV brigade to keep them subscribed to the channel. I struggle to believe he believed everything he said considering the positive comments he’s made about many of the EVs he has tested.