Unsimplifying Oversimplified's WW1, Part Two
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To save you all the trouble...YES I am aware Oversimplified has a new video out today. Reaction coming soon.
Punic warrrrrsssss!
@@Presidentchip- nope
Bery gud
I did not know, thank you 👍🏻
I'm hyped
One of the most effective arguments I've found against people who deny the Armenian Genocide to actually change their minds is bringing up the recently declassified German accounts. Almost universally the German officers attached to the Ottoman units reported back home about what was going on, often expressing their disgust with the Ottoman soldier's actions (although admittedly sometimes it wasn't for the nature of the acts but in how sloppy they were). Classified for a century, a lot of those accounts became available in the last decade.
At that point germans already had death camp for ethnic groups in one of their colonies in Africa, just across the street from church, and biggest complaint from german colonizers was smell, and fact that bodies they burried in shallow waters would bring many sharks.
I think german universities still have many skulls they have stolen to and used to prove how they were better than black people, even before WW1
Where can you find these accounts? I wanna share them all over!
It's sickening that Turkey refuses to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide. Germany acknowledges and deeply regrets the Holocaust, while Turkey acts like it never happened.
First of all I completely agree that turkey should acknowledge the genocide but I think it is a little unfair to say that turkey acts like it never happend like the Chinese did with the tiananmen square massacre. They acknowledge something happened and that Armenians died however they don't recognize it as a genocide. So to conclude they don't agree to which extend it happend. I would describe it as a denial of intention rather than denial of it existing in the first place. It's a difficult topic but I am happy to see that more and more Turkish historians accept the caused destruction of the ottoman government.
Japan does the same with their WW2 atrocities but no one bats an eye. Them denying it happening and even getting often hostile when brought up shows that they most definitely know what they did was wrong but are too stubborn to admit it.
@@jasonquinlan1733 That's also sickening. I hold Japan to the same standards.
@@napalmblaziken everyone should, but most even in the us don’t even know about them because the education system focuses much more on the holocaust
Japen doesn’t acknowledge nanjing too. Horrible stuff
I honestly think you and Oversimplified were made for each other...he provides the gist of a historical event, and then you chime in with added context. These are my favorite videos of yours, and I watch them repeatedly
I agree 100% with this, there’s something about the slow but down to earth and insightful reaction/commentary style which goes so well with oversimplified’s more energetic, sporadic and comedic take on history
This is the only way I can actually watch any Oversimplified videos. Because the history they provide is far too oversimplified. Makes me want to keep shouting "you're missing the point" at my monitor.
@@xJavelin1 Isn't that kinda the point? That it's... oversimplified
@@xJavelin1 Think of it this way. With Oversimplified, you are no longer ignorant about history and you get the context of what happened. If you a more detailed account of what happened, you watch this channel.
@@xJavelin1 Doesn't that mean you're missing the point of it being oversimplified in the first place?
VTH re-reacts to Oversimplified and suddenly Oversimplified reappears! Thank you VTH. Clearly you have some sort of magic power.
Every single time where you react to a video that brings up the Armenian Genocide, I understand that it also brings an amount of negativity into your comment section and towards your view. As an Armenian myself, I am always grateful for your explanations and breakdowns of all these significant yet tragic moment in history. You are a hero in our eyes.
As a Turk I don't understand why there is this strong denying of the genocide at all tbh. Yeah some Armenian gangs attacked Turkish villages in eastern Turkey so there should have been some precautions to stop this attacks from happening but it DEFINITELY shouldn't have been this cruel and inhumane against Armenians.
God bless you I love oversimplified reactions so its interesting to hear you add more content so thanks for more education.
You are the perfect companion for Oversimplified Videos
He provides context, you go to detail
Just chef kiss.
12:00 The foresight is chilling
I’m not Armenian but I’ve been a HUGE System of a Down fan for a long time .. at work I met some Armenian people .. 2 of which changed my life so much .. and one of them is probably the most important person in my life that is not a family member.. the other has made my heart grow wit love more than anyone else as well .. and a few years back when they were fighting a war around the time Covid started.. I asked them about it .. and I didn’t think it would affect me so much since I’m not Armenian but I was thinking to myself that anything could’ve happened and they wouldn’t of been here .. I would’ve never met them .. I give them as much as I can .. I still keep in touch wit them ..
I'd like to see a video breaking down who is to blame for the conflict in the Middle East. How much of it is the UK's fault with the partitioning of Palestine? How much is due to the CIA's Iranian coup in 1953? How much of it goes back to biblical times?
I would love to see your thoughts on the "Battle of May Island" by Fredrik Knudsen.
I don't think Mexico would ever have gone along with it. The US didn't exactly get weaker between the end of the Mexican War and WWI, and Mexico was getting through their own civil war. They had a lot more to lose than to gain, loss was more likely, and they knew it. Besides, what was Germany even going to do to help them?
You should react to the Great War series one day. It’s a series where they cover ww1 before and after week by week
I've done quite a few of theirs. Indy Neidell is a sub of this channel!
looking forward to oversimplified punic wars
22:40 Other factors were that the Brtish denied transmisison of German info on the trans-Atlantic cable while the blockading of Germnay resulted in the US primarily trading with the UK.
Christopher Lee singing about Verdun is pure epic
those artillery numbers...that is 1 shell a second for a year..... what the actual hell.
I was just from watching oversimplified's video when I got this notification
Would love a video from you talking about Gallipoli!
I would love to see you commenting about Isonzo river battles. Im from Slovenia and I live close to Italian border.
12:00 who would have thought a week later after saying this Charles takes the thrown
_Thank you_ for taking such a hardline stance on Armenian Genocide denial. Not only is it grossly disrespectful to the dead, living Armenians, and to history as a whole, but widespread genocide denial _triples_ the risk of more genocides happening. Turkey needs to acknowledge that it happened. Many other nations need to acknowledge their own genocide campaigns in their history.
8:11 Also, the Emir of Afghanistan had been receiving covert funding from British India to prevent him from invading present day Pakistan, which was primarily why that attempt to have Afghanistan side with the Ottoman Empire failed, along with promises of supplies and money being vague.
coincidentally he just posted 2 videos on the Punic war so you should check that out soon
Oversimplified posted a new video on the Punic wars today
You should react to *The Battle of May Island* by *Down the Rabbit Hole*
Could you make a video where you react to Thomas sowells black culture???
Keep up the work
Will you react to Epic History TV's series on HMS Victory in the future?
So basically, Britain joined both world wars due to strange treaties they made with Belgium and Poland, and what were the reasons for these treaties? What was so special about Belgium and Poland that they had to drag the whole empire including Australia into the war, and yet Britain barely did anything to help Australia against Japan. No wonder the empire is dead.
Hey, do you think you can play "Valiant Hearts" for your gaming channel? It's a nice game about WWI, I think it would be nice to get your view on that!
Hey Chris, I recently watched the Last Czar on Netflix. Since those events occurred around this, it got me thinking. Do you think the world would look different today if Nicholas had a healthy son?
short answer, is probably. I've studied Russian/Soviet history and that is always a topic of what if...
I think that the other fact that might have changed things up is if the king of England would have defended his cousin.
overall is that it only delayed the inevitable as Nicholas was so incompetent. what I hope would have been the outcome is that the white Russians would have been able to be more forceful and carried the day instead of the Bolsheviks..they played dirty politics from the beginning.. Stalin was the other side of the coin with Hitler. same cruel, amoral coin.
I think that the economic reasons of the US join ww1 are very underestimated. Now ofcourse the zimmerman telegraph couldnt be ignored by the US but i think that the more importand reason to join the us was that the entente powers were heavily indebted to the US. If germany won the war i would mean 3 things. The US could not have a german power probably as strong and powerfull as the US itself (given time ofcourse). Their european allies weakened to the point were they probably couldnt pay their debts anymore severely weakening the us economy (maybe even sending them into a crisis far worse than the 1929 crisis). And the last reason is that this could mean instability in all of europe giving space to the rise of communism and other extremist believes. This is a bit of a stretch but the outcome of ww1 would probably have caused a major second war either way. Therefore joining the war was very important for the us
Amazing video as always . By the way oversimplified just released a new video about the punic wars, if you could check it out that would be amazing.
He already saw the oversimplified comments
Oversimplified just posted two new videos of the First Punic War could you watch them on your next reaction video.
It is curious that the correct German imperial is used but not the correct Russian nor American flags of the time.
Prussia Tactik was good, but Americans being Americans acted American and gave *Freedom* To Naz- I mean Prussia
Anyone else see the glitching background?
Rommel made a name for himself on the Italian Front.
as a turkish person it really is embarrassing to see so many people denying the armenian genocide ever happened. It happened, and we need to start taking accountability. I'm sorry people have been leaving comments like that. We are unfortunately never taught about the event in history classes and it's an exteremely touchy subject to bring up in public, but none of those are excuses obviously. I hope more people acknowledge the truth soon.
Applaud Chris for taking a strong stance on the Armenian Genocide, drawing attention to the larger point. History is universal, it affects us all and the truth of that history is important. When you try to rewrite history because it’s inconvenient or because it’s awkward for you to deal with, you sacrifice that truth for your own peace of mind. The Armenian Genocide happened the same way that the Holocaust, Belgian Congo, and Atlantic Slave Trade happened. The best thing to do isn’t deny it, but to heed the warnings left by these atrocities and strive to build a better future for us all.
To clarify: I didn’t mean that the Holocaust, Armenian Genocide, and other aforementioned atrocities occurred in the same fashion. Rather that they all happened, as in they occurred and people suffered. I’m well aware that each of these events are nuanced and each of them has their own very distinct intricacies and involvements.
No country has a clean history
Well saying it happend the same way as Holocaust is a little unjust. The Jews didn't take up arms and murder civillians before being massacred. The official statement and wish of the Turkish government is to recognise it as "a series of massacres commited by both sides" rather than just "Armenian Genocide commited by the Ottomans". It was both Armenians and Turks killing each other when they got chance. But western historiography just prefers to blame Turks as that's a lot easier to do. Armenian ultranationalism was running wild at the time similar to Turkish nationalism.
@@outsiderkk There might have been violence from both sides, but it would be dishonest to claim that the violence was *equal* on both sides. When an empire attacks a minority, you get a completely different result than when a minority attacks an empire. The result was a genocide. An entire people sent out to die.
Every empire has its share of atrocities, and genocide is appallingly common among them, which is just another reason why Turkey’s constant denial is so childish and cruel to the memories of the dead.
@@outsiderkk Neither did the Armenians, you just wildly downplayed (if not lied by omission) how an anti-christian sentiment among the population started after the balkan wars in which many christians were blamed for ottomans loses even though they fought for the empire, much in the same way jews were blamed even when fighting for germany in ww1 , or how around 150,000 Greek Orthodox from the Aegean coast were forcibly deported in May and June 1914 by Muslim bandits, who were secretly backed by the C.U.P. (Ottoman Government) and sometimes joined by the regular army. How in early 1915 when retreating the Ottoman army also destroyed dozens of Ottoman Armenian villages, massacring their inhabitants, and when isolated reports of local incidents such as weapons caches, severed telegraph lines, and occasional killings "confirmed" what were already preexisting beliefs about Armenian treachery the CUP decided a coordinated Armenian conspiracy was plotting against the empire, while discounting any contrary reports that most Armenians were loyal and they were actually wrong about them. Or how Armenian civil servants were dismissed from their posts in late 1914 and early 1915, how and in February 1915 the C.U.P. leaders decided to disarm Armenians serving in the army and transfer them to labor battalions. The Armenian soldiers in labor battalions would be systematically executed, although many skilled workers were spared until 1916. It is only when we get to april of 1915, 11 months since forced migration's started, 6 months since the firings in government and transfer to labor battalions started, 3 months since the massacres started, that the Armenians finally see some form of organized resistance to what is happening to them when the ottoman government tries to disarm the armenians at VAN and they decide to fight in an uprising during the war instead of surrender their arms and just be executed like is already happening to them. The reason the Turkish government wants the world to believe what they claim is the truth is significantly uglier and is basically no different than people saying the holocaust happened but "it wasn't to that scale, there's no way 6 million were cremated." in order to downplay the attrocities.
@@outsiderkk, nobody's blaming Turks because that's easier to do. They're blaming the Ottomans for purpsoefully trying to exterminate an entire segment of their population to have an ethnically pure society, and they're blaming the Turkish government and academia for failing to acknowledge it as such. Calling the Armenian Genocide "a series of massacres commited by both sides" is really no better than calling the Holocaust or the Rwandan Genocide "a series of massacres commited by both sides", because that's bullsh*t.
P.S., it's also quite telling how you differentiate between Turkish "nationalism" and Armenian "ultranationalism", you may not realize it, but that wording makes it sound like you're trying to demonize Armenian nationalism and downplay the utter lunacy of the CUP's beliefs.
I have a story about my great grandfather in ww1, who was a British sea pilot. When the allies defeated one of the German Cruisers Emden near Australia, it was decided that the Naval Office in charge of the Emden, Captain Karl Von Muller, would be taken back to England due to his high status. On the journey to the UK my great grandfather was placed in charge of guarding Captain Von Muller, and the two actually became good friends in the following weeks. My great grandfather actually went against orders and gifted him a mirror, a razor and soap just before he arrived in the UK, so he could look his best for his trial. Before the shop docked Captain Von Muller gave my great grandfather his Iron Cross as a thank you for treating him so kindly. About 10 years ago my dad tracked down the granddaughter of Karl Von Muller and returned the Iron Cross back to her
Wow thats very interesting
What happened to the Captain?
@@zaktilzer5130 he was placed in a POW camp in Britain but the climate disagreed with his malaria so they moved him to a POW camp in the Netherlands. About a month before the armistice, he was released back to Germany where he retired, and died in 1923 of Malaria
@@Chris-nl2sl Damn. Welm thanks for sharing.
Everyone thought the Avengers was the most ambitious crossover in history, but it's actually Vlogging Through History and Oversimplified.
History is literally their thing. They were made for this lol
As an American born Armenian, I wanted to thank you for your stance on dealing with genocide deniers
@@td.adigee ooooooh I found one! Turks really can’t help themselves can they.
@@td.adigee In what part of his comment has HE denied that any of that happened? You are just asuming what another person thinks based on their ethnic and cultural background, which is intelectuallly pathetic and shallow.
@@td.adigee Nice whataboutism there
That's like someone calling out the Nazis for the holocaust and the Nazis going "BuT wHaT aBoUt ThE nAtIvE aMeRiCaNs?"
Whataboutisms are a logical fallacy for a reason.
@@td.adigee that's like a German man commenting on a Holocaust video saying, "Well, Russia massacred German civilians while invading soooooo".
@@td.adigee Here is one of them, just admit that it did happen.
Kind of sad that so many Turks have been so wrongly misled about the Armenian Genocide, makes my blood boil when people stubbornly deny it, despite overwhelming evidence.
The blame ultimately lies with the Turkish government, which literally teaches them it didn't happen in schools.
I used to live in Istanbul. In public nobody believes it happened. In private the majority (of people I knew) know it did and many will admit so. They just can't say so or discuss it in public.
@@Shaw4123 why did you stop? Where is iraqi genocide german genocide serbian genocide you know Turks killed the whole galaxy. I really get boiled too when you all-knowing evidence supported people don't care the greek army's planned destruction of the whole Turkish nation in the war. They killed at least 500 thousand civilians apart from army losses. They locked people into homes and burned them alive. if they would've win they were planning to kill all Turks in the end. Everyone has forgotten and done caring with Holocaust. Hypocrites.
im not anti-greek or radical nationalist and supporting the calmness and cooperation with Greece and Turkey. I'm also not surprised that there is a planned destruction of the reputation of Turkey and its people. All the food are being rebranding as greek( yoghurt,baklava, dolma etc.). Turkophobia is being supported so that the Turkish culture and our complete identity finally be destroyed. Media and propaganda are also working for the cause. I hate conspiracy theories im not creating one. We're not going anywhere from our homeland. This year when erdogan gone Turkey will reclaim its lost reputation and itself from this hate to its people. Long live fraternity of the nations and the peace between Turks and Greeks!
@@Shaw4123 Makes it right to deny it then, huh?
Just to let you know i make my boys watch your channel, oversimplified and extra history and it has improved their grades and interest in history
Awesome!
@@VloggingThroughHistory well i always tried to get them into it even if its for a grade but i told them as adults history is important as a learning lesson like if you put your hand in fire you arent gojng to do it again cause you know its hot and you all three make history fun
As an Australian, thank you for acknowledging our ANZACS landing at Gallipoli
I love how you point out good and bad things about both sides. The majority still believes that Germans were evil and the Allies were good and I love that you're trying to dissolve that way of thinking. I also liked your solid statement about the Armenian genocide.
Of all the days to choose to react to an Oversimplified series, it’s the one that won’t save your DMs. 😂😂😂
I always find it interesting that the Battle of the Somme continues to be this huge national trauma in British history to this day, but I would say it's virtually unknown of in Germany outside of World War 1 historians.
The Battle of Verdun is the one that still echos on in some way. (Though admittedly much less now than when I was a kid 30 years ago.)
I think it’s remembered so strongly in the U.K. because the first day was the single worst day for our military in history.
@@zigzgshodzixhoxohxh3800 It also needs to be mentioned that the worst casualties were suffered by PALs battalions, primarily from the north west of england, historic lancashire county.
So the casualties were heavily concentrated on specific communities, often multiple from the same street.
7:35 the most based history teacher ever 🗿
YEAH
I feel like I speak for the majority of your fans and followers in saying. Please stop apologizing for pausing so much!! That's one of the things that makes your videos so great!! The more you pause the video and explain things in better detail, the better your reaction videos are. If we wanted to watch the video without hearing you interrupt with other information, we would just go watch the video on their Channel!!
On the channel The Great War, Indy Neidel(don't know if I spelled his name right) went into great detail on all the events that led up to the Armenian genocide. The quick and dirty of it is: Enver Pasha personally led 2 divisions of soldiers who had been kitted out for fighting in the Arabian Desert in summer into the Caucasus Mountains in winter to fight the Russian Empire. 8 out of every 10 men that died, died from exposure, starvation and disease. Enver, in an attempt to get the public heat off of him, said that the Armenians had betrayed the Ottoman Empire and that began the active persecution of the Armenian people.
At 5:00, when you talk about the Italian front. If you ever visit norhtern Italy or the broader venice area, go take a look at the Monte Grappa. It is 70ish km north of venice and was part of the front in WW1. Today on top of the mountain there is a memorium to the war with graves of austrian and italian troops. In Bassano Del Grappa, a nearby town in which the mountaneer divisions were trained, there are some museums connected to that, too
It's a very interesting story how Prince Andrew of Greece ended up in England. After the end of the Greco-Turkey war, a very famous trial took place in Athens called the "Trial of the Six", were the political and military leadership was accused of treason and sentenced to death, that included King Constantine and Prince Andrew. The defence stated that incompetence did not equal treason, but as the trial was staged, their arguments did not really matter. A huge international scandal broke out, with various World leaders and royals, like the Prince of Wales, intervening in favour of the Six, and the Greek government telling them that its none of their business and that they will execute whomever they want. It ended up with the Prince barely escaping undercover, while the rest were killed immediately after the judge's decision, early in the morning, so the foreign ambassadors would be asleep, and unable to intervene.
Yeah, I get annoyed by Turks who claim the Armenian genocide never happened. I'm glad you voiced that disclaimer.
This and the tianamen square masaccre
@@secretname4190im suprised that you haven't heared that the CCP said that in june 4 1889 "nothing happened" which is obviously denying
@@secretname4190 tbh i kind of understand why the turks deny
1. Admiting to war crime is like admiting your guilty
2.propaganda
3.(this might sound contreversial but im going to say it anyway) Where is the evidence/smoking gun.
You would think that the turks saw proof
Pls note: my view are based from my anti-Schopenhauer common sence and limited info
@@marcodepril4888 There are loads of evidence/smoking gun proof. The first of which is what happened to all the Armenians living in ottoman territory? There was well over a million that were gone after 1923. If you walk in the desserts of Syria to this day you stumble across the bones of Armenians that died being forced to march there, 60 minutes did a piece on this a few years back. But there are telegrams persevered from Ottoman high command giving orders on the massacres, there's eyewitness testimony from reporters and ambassadors, pictures showing the death marches, and recently declassified German reports from the time detailing and critiquing the Genocide.
There is overwhelming evidence of the Genocide that happened in 1915 against not only the Armenians, but Assyrians as well, and the Greeks which were all kicked out of Anatolia. To this day us Armenians struggle to get the truth out against immense Turkish backed propaganda.
Oversimplified is such a good channel, they work he does and the time he takes to explain the larger picture of the world regarding the videos topic really helps bring history to life.
And I didn't know you have a podcast, cool! I'll have to check it out.
And yes, he is aware there is new oversimplified.
I broke my hand a few hours ago and you and oversimplified uploaded made my day
Uploading sorry I’m typing with one hand
:/ how bad a break?
I broke my pinky joint it’s a long story and I’m finally calmed down so I’d rather not talk about it
i wish you a fast recovery
@@tadijastankovic4350 thank you
Bro I misread this and thought this was about the video that Oversimplified just posted I was like how did this dude already have a whole video ready 💀💀💀
Early access go brrrrr
There are still people in this day and age that deny the Armenian Genocide?
I get them all the time.
@@VloggingThroughHistory not trying to be confrontational but I do think people should be allowed to say stuff like that, best way to defeat these ideas is to deal with them, not lock them out and let them fester
Unfortunately people who deny stuff like that are generally not interested in anyone who tells them they are wrong. They’ve long since decided to ignore facts and reason.
@@VloggingThroughHistory I’m just surprised there’s anyone denying it at all. It’s such a well documented atrocity and I’m not trying to downplay it, but it’s such an old event at this point that I’m willing to bet that the number of people who have lived during it and long enough to remember it today could be counted on one hand, assuming any are still with us. Why even bother denying that it happened? Then again, there are still people who believe the Earth is flat and that was proven long before the 1910s
@@VloggingThroughHistory true, appreciate the candor
In regards to the Italian front , Ernest Hemingway was a ambulance driver in that campaign , Erwin Rommel was involved in German infiltration attacks along the Italian front. Then you got Luigi cadorna whose leadership lead to the Italian front collapsing , after the battle of cappriotto ( spelt incorrectly , sorry ) , eventually with the western powers sending troops there , and also with the assistance of the army of the orient at Salonica (again probably spelt incorrectly ), the Italians eventually defeated the Austrians at the battle of Vittorio Veneto.
Speaking of russian soldiers buried in France. I have only recently, after living in my home city of Pardubice in the middle of Czech Republic for 37 years, discovered, purely by accident a monument and resting place of 508 ottoman soldiers in a secluded part of the city cemetary.
Got me very curious how they ended up there and found out that these were ottoman soldiers fighting at the eastern front alongside Austria-Hungary in years 1916-17. My city was used as a main hospital for wounded and sick soldiers fighting there. The soldiers succumbed to their wounds or disease while being treated here and were later buried here.
Sometimes you can find suprising historical facts basically just outside your home.
As a german i always find it interesting to find out about royal houses with german regional or city names like Hannover, Sachsen, Coburg etc.
Rommel won the Pour Le merite on the Italian front in World War I. It made for a wonderfully awkward moment at a dinner with Italian officers in North Africa.
4:05 This references the Triple Alliance between Italy, Germany, and Austria-Hungary. However, this was stricly a defensive alliance and Austria-Hungary and Germany issued declarations of war rather than being declared upon.
The reason for Austria-Hungary to not give into Italy's territorial requests would may be due to fears of neighboring countries, like Romania, and internal ethnic minorities demanding independence or nationhood expansion.
Unexploded ordinance… it’s kind of a foreign concept here in the states. I remember the first time I heard about the system that a lot of European nations have when a civilian stumbles across a decades or century-old bomb that could wipe half a block off the face of the earth in some cases. Obviously doesn’t happen that often now, but I know it’s an especially prevalent risk (landmines particularly) in Eastern Europe/the Balkins.
It’s also a massive problem in Laos; there are still 80 million unexploded cluster bombs from US bombings during the Vietnam war. I visited a UXO museum on my first day there and they played the educational video they show in schools on what to do if you find a bomb
It's a recurring problem in Guam.
7:50 two points.
1. you can also argue some of the numbers, not saying im doing that but you could, won't make any difference if it happened or not (it did) but I can imagine some people would argue that it's 90% intentional and 10% by lack of food or water and while that's not really a legitimate argument it's something you could argue both within good and bad faith.
2. idk if you mention this later on but people often forget that it was not just the Armenians that died, there was a slightly smaller greek genocide as well which is often added to it or ignored which is a bit unfair to the greeks that died and this also explains the reaction from greeks after ww1 and their desire to take istanbul and gain more land from Turkey, after the greek-turkic war both sides have a population transfer which seemed to have stopped aggresion from breaking out.
interestingly both the ways the Entent reacted to the genocide was a big motivating factor for Hitler to push for the holocaust since he argued nobody would care just as few people cared about the armenian genocide and his narrative for war because of ethnic germans living in the lands lost after ww1 was used to attempt to justify waging war by german in ww2.
fun fact: Im Turkish, and my mother used to tell me old stories of the Ottoman Empire that her grandmother had told her, these stories usually spanned from 1850 and 1950 period, and according to my mothers grandmother, the Armenian genocide DID actually happen, and she would regularly see Armenian men, woman and children murdered in the streets. (actually thats not a very fun fact but whatever)
So, I do actually approve that the Armenian genocide happened
But what I do not approve is people blaming the modern day Turkish Republic for the genocide, the Armenian Genocide was commited by unskilled Ottoman politicans and traitors to the Empire, let me repeat that, it was commited by OTTOMAN politicans. Skilled strategists, and loyal heroes who upholded democratic values like Mustafa Kemal Atatürk would have never approved of the Armenian Genocide, and I respectfully request you dont blame the Republic of Turkey on the Armenian genocide
Germany: Holy crap yeah the Holocaust was awful. We are 100% sorry for everything. Here, take some money.
Japan: We really goofed up during WW2. Here, take cool things to trade with and a new alliance. Sorry about everything.
Turkey: Yeah.. no.
No, Japan slaughtered 30 million people, refused to apologize, call themselves a victim, and celebrate war crimals.
Yea, Japan denies everything and tells their people that America was the aggressor. Some Japanese actually believe the US attacked Japan unprovoked, and they were just trying to "liberate" Asia from European control.
I missed the part where Japan apologized for everything.
Actually, we have a lot of Iranian Armenians in Iran. They've fled to Iran through the years because of the Ottomans. First huge group of them came to Persia during Ottoman-Safavid War of 1603-1618. Second and last huge group of Armenian refugees fled to Iran during WW1. Now they have their own churches and neighbourhoods in different cities of Iran and we have a lot of Iranian Armenians who served Iran.
The sad thing is, it never stops in Europe. Look at UKraine today 2023!
I have read that for what the war cost in money, every person in the world could have been fed, housed, clothed, provided health care and educated. But greed an stupidity continue to threaten the extinction of the human species.
I won’t lie. I’ve totally forgotten about the Armenian genocide (I’m American.) but I never say a specific historical event didn’t happen unless I have extensive knowledge about that one event. For example, it’s highly likely George Washington was an honest person, but he never chopped down a cherry tree or said “I cannot tell a lie,” that we know of. John Hancock never said “the British are coming.” And Martha Washington never named a tomcat after Alexander Hamilton. I’m very knowledgeable in American history, so I can tell you these things with 80% certainty. (I docked 20 % because I don’t think i have the full story, but I have enough to be able to tell you about specific events and ideas from American history.) when someone says something about world history in no uncertain terms, I assume that they’re right and my understanding is probably incomplete because I pay most attention to American history, rather than world history
Unsimplifying these videos was a great idea. Love more talking and context about the video .
Are we going to get a video about Mikhail Gorbechov (not sure if I spelled it right) in honor of his passing ?
Just like people who say the holocaust never happened. It makes me so mad.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. A really good book on the Italian front is Mark Thompson's book "The White War: Life and Death on the Italian Front 1915-1919." When doing research for the book, Thompson actually managed to talk to some of the survivors. I remember one soldier who was over 100 years old and could not remember all the names of his grandchildren, but he could perfectly describe the place where he fought during the war.
4:57 The lack of knowledge is priamrily due to the campaign being a de-facto non-priority (until the collapse of Russia) side-show/distraction for Austira-Hungary. That and most info outsider of Italian sources are lacking. This is similar to how most of WW1 literature and documentaries primarily focus on the British Empire on the Western Front; language barriers.
If yoy want a good summary of the campaign, RUclipsr the Armchair Historian covered the campaign under the command of Marshall Luigi Cadorna (which lasted until 1917).
7:25 Giga chad moment.
After having to do a project on the Armenian Genocide still baffling that Turkey denial is strong against what happened to the Armenian people. I had to look a what happend to the Armenians. Graphic and I wasn't hungry for 2 hours.
The thought that the Armenian genocide didn't happen is laughable, to say the least... I understand that decent people wouldn't want to believe their country slaughtered 1.5M+ people; so I can see why they wouldn't want to believe it. I'm happy that you're taking a hardline stance against its denial. God bless!
as an Italian person, I like the fact that you’re acknowledging the horrible conditions of the battles of the Carso region.
if you wanna have a firsthand account of it and you like reading poetry, check out Giuseppe Ungaretti; he’s an Italian poet that was a soldier in that very same region and wrote very short (for the most part) poetry talking about how horrible that experience was and how scarring it was, but keeping it short cause he knew that he might have not been able to finish a longer poem (he’s recognized as the leading representative of the Hermeticism). he went on to survive and actually lived a long time after the war, still writing about it as well in longer poems, dying in 1970.
Thank you for acknowledging that the Armenian genocide did indeed happen. I still remember to this day getting into an argument with a classmate back when I was in highschool who said it was all a lie. Not enough are aware of the atrocities perpetrated by Turkey.
The thumbnail for this video is not getting enough praise
Great video by Oversimplified, however one small and arguably minor event that would have been nice to have included which also occurred in 1916 was the Easter Rising, the event that sparked the beginning of the Irish fight for independence from Britain, and was of major importance to modern Irish history. I know its not necessarily part of WW1 but still would have been nice for Oversimplified to have included it.
There's a phenomenal play about the Christmas truce called All Is Calm, a show I had the privilege to see a few years back. It's very minimalist, using no set and simple props, but paints quite the picture of the war before the namesake event. I highly recommend it.
If people want to read a PoV on the Armenian Genocide. Read Forgotton Fire. Fantasticly written by a surviver.
I know this is not a gaming channel… but it would be fascinating to see you play and react to the Battlefield 1 campaign.
It's such a jaw dropping depiction of the conflict that you don't find anywhere else
Hey he has got a gaming channel so you coukd leave a comment on there is so it would probably have more chance of getting read by him and he could actually consider it
Germany ironically demanded shotguns be outlawed because of how powerful it was from the US threating to capture and kill US troopers who carried them but the US said they’ll capture and kill flamethrower troopers if they follow through with this
11:45 Had no idea it would only be 6 days later.
Please can you react to Jeremy Clarksons victoria cross documentary!
22:15 or what we're doing right now....
Lawrence of Arabia inspired Paul Attreides in Dune. You got the son of a nobleman going to a desert place with a valuable resource and becoming the leader of a group of religious locals and waging a war on an empire
This war was a major factor in producing modern art. Nihilism and despair are common themes in early 20th century literature because of the effects war had on people. They realized millions died due to the political ambitions of a few dozen people, many of whom were related to each other. Tragedies and losses beyond the count of grief…for family drama.
13:30 well there was the battles that took place off Guadalcanal and Leyte Gulf in the Pacific Theater during WWII. Some of those battles were battleship on battleship
A guy from Bulgaria, love your content, keep it up !
Personally, I think the reason why the battleships of the day weren't used, was because they were the equivalent to the atomic bombs of today: Huge, devastating weapons, that could cause massive destruction, but using them would mean accepting the costs of whatever follows after. And nobody wanted to pay that price
Does anyone know of any good resources (preferably videos) that cover the Canadian involvement in WWI? In our history classes in schools, it's taught that we had a disproportionate effect on the war for our population, including involvement in may key battles on the Western Front, but most videos (like this one) just lump us in with the British.
I'm curious if the relevence of our contribution is true, or just a "Yay, Canada!" conceit.