After countless battles with machines, pokemon-esque monsters, behemoths, and an evil primarch, you go on to face a clock. I find that pretty hilarious
The irony of the whole thing is what the previous A V said, you're on the clock both in this fight and throughout the game with their focus lol. They fight to live and Orpan seeks to die.
I always thought that Orphan has a pretty cool design, the faces on the left and right at his first form seems to represent his "parents" and he loses them at the second form, effectively making him an "orphan"
Orphan: Hey, y'all should kill me so I can get the apocalypse going. Lightning: No way! Cocoon is our home, and we'll kill you to defend it! That is our focus! Orphan: ... m'kay.
Yeah I just finished this game first time and felt like I followed the plot and lore right up until Orphan appears and we go kill him anyway despite that being what we’ve been trying to avoid for like the last 10 hours and what the bad guys want.
@@supers0635 apparently they just want to kill only barthandelus but orphan literally awoken just after barthandelus died so they have to fight it too.
"YOU OVERREACH YOURSELVES" "no, we overreach you" "IS THAT SO?" "yeah. how about we kick you out of your cradle?" "I'LL KILL YOU FOR THAT! I AM NO DEFENSELESS BABY! I... AM... ORPHAN!!!" *Orphan casts Doom*
@banglefaar You know, I've played FF since the beginning, and I think this game had some of the best developed and least clichéd characters of the series. In fact, this game was all about character development. The game is split amongst the characters so that each of them never gets lost in the greater story. There's many, many scenes fleshing out each character in turn as well as exploring their relationship with the other characters. I also think it's the only RPG I've played (continued)
If I could improve this final scene, I’d add one scene: one where Orphan looks on the monitors and learning that while he was busy with the l’Cie, their allies that they made along their journey were evacuating Cocoon’s citizens to safety, thus ruining the fal’Cie’s plans ahead of time. The whole point of Cocoon’s destruction was to kill a massive population of people in order to force open the gate to the afterlife, but that can’t happen with an empty Cocoon, thus Orphan’s death would no longer carry with it the caveat of mass genocide, leaving our heroes to slay it guilt free.
That would've helped because otherwise I felt like I was doing exactly what it wanted as the player and destroying the world by killing the final boss. It didn't really make sense. That's the thing the game had so many great ideas but they made so many mistakes executing them.
@@sunnyshine762 even a brief conversation like "what do we do if Orphan also wants to die" at some point would have made things clearer. Given Orphan *was* in on Barthandelus's plan, either they killed him and tried to save Cocoon anyway, or someone else would have at a later date.
The funny thing about this game is the way the protags act like they're achieving anything other than giving the falsee exactly what they wanted all along
I see Orphan as just like Yu Yevon. An entity that uses something else for its protection and it isn't supposed to be challenging when that protection is removed.
There's a gap between in-game graphics and cutscene graphics in the FFXIII trilogy. Really, the graphics didn't change at all, it's just that Lightning Returns has less actual cutscenes.
The Dragon Scrublord This cutscene is actually real-time rendered, it's not like it is CGI. I think the did lower the polygons making each model in XIII-2 and reduced the quality of textures in LR (c'mon, Luxerion's textures were worse than XII's textures).
This is just a theory but I think the final boss is a clock because it symbolises how much time you have left before you turn into a Cit'he (sorry if I sad cieth or what ever)
I like how in battle, you use these fantastical magical powers. But in cutscenes, you have to believe that they'll actually use regular-ass guns, a stick, a boomerang, a fishing rod, a gun-sword, and bare fucking knuckles to fight a damn god.
@registareumamerda Yes. In the Narthex (the white corridor where you start again) is a portal where you can go back to Eden and from there you can take different portals that spawned there earlier. There's 1 back to the Narthex, 1 which takes you close to the entrance of Eden (where you fought the silverhaired guy and his machine) and the last teleports you back to Gran Pulse (For Cieth Stones and Titan trial). For defeating Orphan you're granted full access to the last parts of the Crystarium.
@jsh020 Necron from IX was a nightmare without status effect defenses applied. I'd say he was fairly simple. Vayne from XII was also no pushover in the Undying phase. Of course...I am speaking from a perspective of not maxing out your characters. At max lvl I think every final boss is simple in a Final Fantasy.
This fight isn't supposed to be hard. You had hard enough fights just getting through Orphan's Cradle, fighting Barthandelus and fighting the two of them fused together. That was the true final boss. This fight is just to show how far the party's come, and that now they're an indomitable fighting team. After all, it comes right after they all will themselves back from being Cie'th, what could be more badass than that?
After 11 total years, who knows how many playthroughs of constantly resetting after I would lose the game and get it back again, Trial Error A whole LOT of the two And the latest save file of 49 hours After 11 total years I finally beat the game that is Final Fantasy 13 And I must say it was one of the most heartfelt experiences I've felt in a grand while. This game may be hated by a good margin, but it will always have a special place in my heart.
Even though the battle wasn't too tough, it was still pretty epic. The music (from 1:36 to about 2:11 is my favorite part) is just perfect!!! I love Orphan's design too. He's all pretty and gold!! hahaha. I do wish Orphan put up more of a fight, but by the time I got to this battle I was pretty tired lol. The first form took a lot out of me XD
i did this boss quicker than that i used relentless assault to build up my chain and then just battered the hell out of it lol it took me a whole one minute and that was on my first try. but what can i say i have played every final fantasy going and completed them all :P
this game revolves around strategy so much, which I'm actually really good at, BUT IN THE TIME IT TAKES ME TO SWITCH PARADIGMS, HE'S ALREADY KILLED ME. THAT LITTLE ANIMATION HAS MADE ME LOSE SO MANY BATTLES.
@TangibleNought In that sort of silver area before orphan, there is a portal at the back, you will be sent back to the entrance. At the back of the entrance, there is a portal to gran pulse :)
@Dtram10 I thought of it kinda as beating the inner core, the "true" part of Orphan. The Orphan you fight before is his protective shell, the part that puts up a real fight. You can see him between the light/dark parts on the first form.
I really wish they just didn't make 13-2 and 13-3, but hell, it retroactively made me think better of 13 so I guess there's that... and now we're finally getting 15 and 7 remake...
Bloody Wolf It's actually wise to do your paradigm shift then, because what else are you going to do? That way, you can "skip" the mandatory PS cutscene by shifting while you're in the air like that. I didn't think of that when I fought him and had my Doom Counter down to 12 when I beat him. This would have saved several seconds, not to mention maybe one-cycling him.
@banglefaar You're basing your opinion on having played 3 hours of the game? I played through all of it. It became tedious at times, but turned really fun in the end. And I really enjoyed the story. It was character driven, and, I think, sort of allegorical. The problem with allegory is that it doesn't always make sense. So Sephiroth may have made sense, but I think Orphan holds more meaning.
This game really does push you. Setup this, change to that, watch for this, target that, PARADIGM CHANGE-SHING SHING SHING oh no you died. it's all so discouraging until something reignites that spark to get you playing again.
I see Oprhan's scream and grin + the culminating intro is the most watched parts :D This fight introduction is perfect. I didn't like the fight but I kept replaying it again and again just because of the intro and the music.
Ahem, this is not a clock. This is a Ophanim (singular form: Ophan), a class of celestial beings described in the book of Ezekiel. They are celestial creatures guarding the throne of God, and are generally depicted as fiery, eye-covered wheels.
@banglefaar where the characters react naturally to the situation they find themselves in. There's no cheery "we're off to save the world", but in-fighting, confusion, and every man for themselves. As for the actual mechanics: the game is so linear to place the focus on the story. The game is very much about following these specific characters through specific situations, not traversing the world. Also, the strategy isn't about where you place your stats like other RPGs (continued)
Not if you don't manage to kill him in one stagger... If he Fog/Pains you out of nowhere (like what happened here) and your buffs start fading and you can't kill him, he uses this move which removes all your buffs and puts 4 on him. (bravery faith haste and veil I think) he really deters you...
@FireRagnarok I don't know about any other bosses, but an ophan is a wheel-like angel [the plural is ophanim, like cherubim and seraphim]. So maybe calling this boss "Orphan" was actually a mistake on the translators' part.
To the point about this game having a bad story/bad writing: I rank it among my top favorite game story lines. Sure, there's things that could be better, but I don't expect perfect stories from video games. Some aspect of the game has to give way when the focus switches to story. FF XIII, I think, is structured the way it is largely because they focused so much on story. No over world, no towns, fairly linear. They let the story flow the way they wanted it, and it's easily the better for it.
can i ask a question because i beat this boss and saved the game so when you load the game you go back to orphan right? well if i start a new game will i have all the things i have or will it just be new game because im kind of confused atfer hearing a lot of people say New game+ to get their health 10000+ which is crazy =] but im confused also if you do start over do your crystarium lvl max what mean is all the way to 10 and work your way up or do i have to face bosses to unlock them again?
Wow, this boss is remarkable , but i have a few question i need to ask you, since my characters are weaker then yours, im not sure if i can beat this boss just yet. So im wondering where the best place is to farm some cp, i heard gran pulse is fine , but where in gran pulse? That behemoth+tiger thing near the cave is only 6600 cp, and without that growth egg, that isnt much :< do you have any suggestions on where the best place to farm cp is? :o
well, as far i could tell there are 3 forms. which is the hardest? just wonder if i would stand a chance against the third form if i would be lucky enough to get pass the second form where i'm currently stuck a after realizing that i have way too less hp (got 6-8k hp each and when he does this judgement spell i get one-hitted). any tipps?
![Final Fantasy XIII - Final Boss 01 "Orphan" [HD]](/img/1.gif)
After countless battles with machines, pokemon-esque monsters, behemoths, and an evil primarch, you go on to face a clock. I find that pretty hilarious
Considering you’re literally on the clock, I find it fitting.
A nihilistic, suicidal clock, to boot.
And time consuming
The irony of the whole thing is what the previous A V said, you're on the clock both in this fight and throughout the game with their focus lol. They fight to live and Orpan seeks to die.
@GundamGames interesting
Lightning's quote gives me chills. It's not only inspirational, it is badass.
I always thought that Orphan has a pretty cool design, the faces on the left and right at his first form seems to represent his "parents" and he loses them at the second form, effectively making him an "orphan"
"We live to make the impossible possible! That is our Focus!"
~Lightning
that was very inspiring
That's also a gurren laggan quote too
“Actually, our focus is to become Ragnarok and destroy Cocoon”
~Sazh
I love Sazh's sigh right before the battle begins, has a mix of "Aw shit, here we go again" and "I'm getting too old for this shit" haha
Honestly Orphan looks like something that comes out of a childrens show or storybook
"Find your own road to hell!" Awesome. Simply awesome
"Find your own road to hell!"
'Find your own road to Hell!'Love that line!
we live to make the impossible possible... the possimpible
You know Lightning’s speech was nothing but facts considering how mad Orphan got lollll
My favorite line in the game is when Lightning shouts, "We live to make the impossible possible! That is our Focus!"
Orphan: Hey, y'all should kill me so I can get the apocalypse going.
Lightning: No way! Cocoon is our home, and we'll kill you to defend it! That is our focus!
Orphan: ... m'kay.
Yeah I just finished this game first time and felt like I followed the plot and lore right up until Orphan appears and we go kill him anyway despite that being what we’ve been trying to avoid for like the last 10 hours and what the bad guys want.
@@frozenflame5858 I think the idea was kill him but after that stop the destruction, but is very bad executed anyway
@@supers0635 apparently they just want to kill only barthandelus but orphan literally awoken just after barthandelus died so they have to fight it too.
I'm final fantasy addict and fanatic. I didnt play final fantasy 10 and above but I think I'm gonna love this 13
there's a pointless fanwar going on in the comments section, don't try to read them all or else you'll get eye cancer, just mind your own business.
Ty for the heads up ;)
adarkerlink Yes, I sure needed that.
Though I... kinda peeked a bit :P
cameraREDeye It's hard to resist... XD
c huff i have to admit i couldn´t resist scrolling down, but the deeper you go, the creepier it gets XD
adarkerlink XDDD!
"YOU OVERREACH YOURSELVES"
"no, we overreach you"
"IS THAT SO?"
"yeah. how about we kick you out of your cradle?"
"I'LL KILL YOU FOR THAT! I AM NO DEFENSELESS BABY! I... AM... ORPHAN!!!"
*Orphan casts Doom*
Wat
cameraREDeye shut up caius -_-
@banglefaar You know, I've played FF since the beginning, and I think this game had some of the best developed and least clichéd characters of the series. In fact, this game was all about character development. The game is split amongst the characters so that each of them never gets lost in the greater story. There's many, many scenes fleshing out each character in turn as well as exploring their relationship with the other characters. I also think it's the only RPG I've played (continued)
If I could improve this final scene, I’d add one scene: one where Orphan looks on the monitors and learning that while he was busy with the l’Cie, their allies that they made along their journey were evacuating Cocoon’s citizens to safety, thus ruining the fal’Cie’s plans ahead of time. The whole point of Cocoon’s destruction was to kill a massive population of people in order to force open the gate to the afterlife, but that can’t happen with an empty Cocoon, thus Orphan’s death would no longer carry with it the caveat of mass genocide, leaving our heroes to slay it guilt free.
That would've helped because otherwise I felt like I was doing exactly what it wanted as the player and destroying the world by killing the final boss. It didn't really make sense. That's the thing the game had so many great ideas but they made so many mistakes executing them.
@@sunnyshine762 even a brief conversation like "what do we do if Orphan also wants to die" at some point would have made things clearer. Given Orphan *was* in on Barthandelus's plan, either they killed him and tried to save Cocoon anyway, or someone else would have at a later date.
That pre-battle speech was pretty kick-ass, I must say.
The funny thing about this game is the way the protags act like they're achieving anything other than giving the falsee exactly what they wanted all along
I didnt even know she says "Find your own road to hell" WOW!!!! LETS FUCKING GO LIGHTNING!
I see Orphan as just like Yu Yevon. An entity that uses something else for its protection and it isn't supposed to be challenging when that protection is removed.
How come this year's graphics were way better than the ones in Lightning Returns? Awesome facial expressions in this one...
There's a gap between in-game graphics and cutscene graphics in the FFXIII trilogy. Really, the graphics didn't change at all, it's just that Lightning Returns has less actual cutscenes.
The Dragon Scrublord This cutscene is actually real-time rendered, it's not like it is CGI. I think the did lower the polygons making each model in XIII-2 and reduced the quality of textures in LR (c'mon, Luxerion's textures were worse than XII's textures).
Orpan passed gas at 1:28. I can tell because he/she/it screamed then smiled. You don't smile after a scream like that unless it's gas.
the music makes it really dramatic and might be the best final boss music
This is just a theory but I think the final boss is a clock because it symbolises how much time you have left before you turn into a Cit'he (sorry if I sad cieth or what ever)
@IsaacTeranIceSage I know, right? "We live to make the impossible possible! That is our Focus!"
I like how in battle, you use these fantastical magical powers. But in cutscenes, you have to believe that they'll actually use regular-ass guns, a stick, a boomerang, a fishing rod, a gun-sword, and bare fucking knuckles to fight a damn god.
Lightning's speech is awesome. It just is.
'We live to make the impossible possible, that is our focus'
'REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE'
i was in stitches after i staggered him, because after i started attacking with fang and light, all i could see was "99999" xD
@registareumamerda Yes. In the Narthex (the white corridor where you start again) is a portal where you can go back to Eden and from there you can take different portals that spawned there earlier. There's 1 back to the Narthex, 1 which takes you close to the entrance of Eden (where you fought the silverhaired guy and his machine) and the last teleports you back to Gran Pulse (For Cieth Stones and Titan trial). For defeating Orphan you're granted full access to the last parts of the Crystarium.
@jsh020 Necron from IX was a nightmare without status effect defenses applied. I'd say he was fairly simple. Vayne from XII was also no pushover in the Undying phase. Of course...I am speaking from a perspective of not maxing out your characters.
At max lvl I think every final boss is simple in a Final Fantasy.
I would totally get an Orphan clock. It's creepy, but it will look very cool on a wall. lol!!
This fight isn't supposed to be hard. You had hard enough fights just getting through Orphan's Cradle, fighting Barthandelus and fighting the two of them fused together. That was the true final boss. This fight is just to show how far the party's come, and that now they're an indomitable fighting team. After all, it comes right after they all will themselves back from being Cie'th, what could be more badass than that?
eyaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
“Find your own road to hell!”
Its such a cute final boss!
With such cute boss music too!
I would love to have this fella as a wall ornament for my house.
god, i love the music on this game. so amazing!
That has to be one of the fiercest final boss spankings since 4 fully equpped Lv99 Onion knights against the Cloud of Darkness.
After 11 total years, who knows how many playthroughs of constantly resetting after I would lose the game and get it back again,
Trial
Error
A whole LOT of the two
And the latest save file of 49 hours
After 11 total years
I finally beat the game that is Final Fantasy 13
And I must say it was one of the most heartfelt experiences I've felt in a grand while.
This game may be hated by a good margin, but it will always have a special place in my heart.
Even though the battle wasn't too tough, it was still pretty epic. The music (from 1:36 to about 2:11 is my favorite part) is just perfect!!! I love Orphan's design too. He's all pretty and gold!! hahaha. I do wish Orphan put up more of a fight, but by the time I got to this battle I was pretty tired lol. The first form took a lot out of me XD
Orphan is so badass in this form. He's such a demented child.
2:10
SAZH NO-
"Find your own road to helll" I love that quote and lightnight other quoute "I'm no ones slave"!
i did this boss quicker than that i used relentless assault to build up my chain and then just battered the hell out of it lol it took me a whole one minute and that was on my first try. but what can i say i have played every final fantasy going and completed them all :P
Lightning: Ready Orphan? Kick the baby!
Orphan: Don't kick the baby...
this game revolves around strategy so much, which I'm actually really good at, BUT IN THE TIME IT TAKES ME TO SWITCH PARADIGMS, HE'S ALREADY KILLED ME. THAT LITTLE ANIMATION HAS MADE ME LOSE SO MANY BATTLES.
"This game revolves around strategy so much" I can't believe you typed that with a straight face.
Well he's not wrong. Try fighting a superboss in XIII without a battle plan. =p
Great strategy bro! I followed the same paradigms that you had and was able to beat Orphan in 1:14! Really appreciate the help! :D
The music in this game was beautifully done. Its good to take a break from Nobuo.
The beginning cutscene gave me chills... :P
@TangibleNought In that sort of silver area before orphan, there is a portal at the back, you will be sent back to the entrance. At the back of the entrance, there is a portal to gran pulse :)
It almost sounded like Lightning said thanks when Orphan cast Doom on her. You're welcome!
Find your own road to hell!
@Dtram10 I thought of it kinda as beating the inner core, the "true" part of Orphan. The Orphan you fight before is his protective shell, the part that puts up a real fight. You can see him between the light/dark parts on the first form.
Man you guys are entertaining me so much I can't help but laugh.
I really wish they just didn't make 13-2 and 13-3, but hell, it retroactively made me think better of 13 so I guess there's that... and now we're finally getting 15 and 7 remake...
1:02 - 1:28
Epicness in it's purest form!
I used this exact party when I fought Orphan.
Denied! XD 2:10
Bloody Wolf It's actually wise to do your paradigm shift then, because what else are you going to do? That way, you can "skip" the mandatory PS cutscene by shifting while you're in the air like that. I didn't think of that when I fought him and had my Doom Counter down to 12 when I beat him. This would have saved several seconds, not to mention maybe one-cycling him.
I think it's racist.....
Matthias Farron I finished him with my doom counter at 7 XD
racism
I went about this phase so incorrectly. Took me freaking forever to beat him.
@Celzia " I'll never be just a memory."
@banglefaar You're basing your opinion on having played 3 hours of the game? I played through all of it. It became tedious at times, but turned really fun in the end. And I really enjoyed the story. It was character driven, and, I think, sort of allegorical. The problem with allegory is that it doesn't always make sense. So Sephiroth may have made sense, but I think Orphan holds more meaning.
I always think "fuck this game".
but every time i see this boss, or just some kind of area, it makes me want to give it another try.
This game really does push you. Setup this, change to that, watch for this, target that, PARADIGM CHANGE-SHING SHING SHING oh no you died. it's all so discouraging until something reignites that spark to get you playing again.
@DrolKeegEht True, thanks for reminding me. Minato taking repeated bitch-slaps from Death itself is quite badass.
Orphan needs a 30 second long super-attack while this music plays..
Ah the ending lightning speech cheese. So good.
@Runeless yes, Bird and Barnaculus fused with Orphan :)
crystalium expanded!!!!: Me: thanks game... thanks
I see Oprhan's scream and grin + the culminating intro is the most watched parts :D
This fight introduction is perfect. I didn't like the fight but I kept replaying it again and again just because of the intro and the music.
"You overreach yourselves."
"No... In soviet Russia, we overreach YOU."
Orphan: Oh did he now well how about him?
(Heart of Chaos starts playing)
Caius: Now let us decide the true history false angel!
*Looks at Orphan*
"...Hey guys, its 8:00 according to Orphan. We better hurry before I miss House -_-"
1:22 - ROW! ROW! FIGHT THE POWAH!
the countdown is going to kill me so much...
Who had tears in eyes when he tortured Fang, by sending a visions of her being ripped apart by her own friends transformed into mindless monsters?
@drummasterxxx Well think again ;p. Very last sephi was hard for you?
1:30 sound of being verbally owned :p
(10 years later) when you fall for a Ligma joke
Easiest last final fantasy boss. But hey the real action starts after you beat this thing.
Saul Alvarenga
Yu Yevon.
You can definitely tell Masashi Composed here for sure.
"find your own road to hell" HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SAVAGE LMAO
I love his voice!! "Mmmhmmhmmhmmm." "You overreach yourselves."
Ahem, this is not a clock. This is a Ophanim (singular form: Ophan), a class of celestial beings described in the book of Ezekiel. They are celestial creatures guarding the throne of God, and are generally depicted as fiery, eye-covered wheels.
My favorite line. “ Find your own road to hell”.
@banglefaar where the characters react naturally to the situation they find themselves in. There's no cheery "we're off to save the world", but in-fighting, confusion, and every man for themselves. As for the actual mechanics: the game is so linear to place the focus on the story. The game is very much about following these specific characters through specific situations, not traversing the world. Also, the strategy isn't about where you place your stats like other RPGs (continued)
Thats Chuck Norris's pocket watch!
As a fan of Final Fantasy, i say... +9000 for that comment)))
Not if you don't manage to kill him in one stagger... If he Fog/Pains you out of nowhere (like what happened here) and your buffs start fading and you can't kill him, he uses this move which removes all your buffs and puts 4 on him. (bravery faith haste and veil I think) he really deters you...
Which is easier for you: Yu Yevon or Orphan?
André Victor
Yu Yevon.
At least with orphan you have to try. And the doom can get some people. (including me)
@FireRagnarok I don't know about any other bosses, but an ophan is a wheel-like angel [the plural is ophanim, like cherubim and seraphim]. So maybe calling this boss "Orphan" was actually a mistake on the translators' part.
To the point about this game having a bad story/bad writing: I rank it among my top favorite game story lines. Sure, there's things that could be better, but I don't expect perfect stories from video games. Some aspect of the game has to give way when the focus switches to story.
FF XIII, I think, is structured the way it is largely because they focused so much on story. No over world, no towns, fairly linear. They let the story flow the way they wanted it, and it's easily the better for it.
i finished the game! thansk for the help! now i was back at before the battle? can i go now evolve more then level 4?
You gotta give em' credit for that ;3
You can turn battle speed to slow in settings until you get the hang of things
can i ask a question because i beat this boss and saved the game so when you load the game you go back to orphan right? well if i start a new game will i have all the things i have or will it just be new game because im kind of confused atfer hearing a lot of people say New game+ to get their health 10000+ which is crazy =] but im confused also if you do start over do your crystarium lvl max what mean is all the way to 10 and work your way up or do i have to face bosses to unlock them again?
Wow, this boss is remarkable , but i have a few question i need to ask you, since my characters are weaker then yours, im not sure if i can beat this boss just yet. So im wondering where the best place is to farm some cp, i heard gran pulse is fine , but where in gran pulse? That behemoth+tiger thing near the cave is only 6600 cp, and without that growth egg, that isnt much :< do you have any suggestions on where the best place to farm cp is? :o
what weapons did u use and what level were they at?? you kicked ass so much there :O it was cool lol
well, as far i could tell there are 3 forms. which is the hardest? just wonder if i would stand a chance against the third form if i would be lucky enough to get pass the second form where i'm currently stuck a after realizing that i have way too less hp (got 6-8k hp each and when he does this judgement spell i get one-hitted). any tipps?
holy shit you just brought back bad memories.