What the Bible says about abortion
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- There’s no “abortion verse” or “fetus verse” in the Bible.
Does a woman have full autonomy over her body, even if another human is dependent on her body?
Is a fetus a person, and therefore entitled to basic human rights?
What does the Bible say?
Scott Rae of Biola University lays out his argument that the Bible takes a pro-life position.
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Who else came here due to the abortion battle?
I want it on a Starter Cap My psychiatrist said a little abortion battle would be good for me. I shrugged and said okay.
No kill 🔪 bay-bay 👶
hey, that felt good.
NO KILL 🔪 BAY-BAY 👶
Death to baby killers !!
I want it on a Starter Cap me
I want it on a Starter Cap This world will be reborn in Flames with all of the sinners and the unworthy people will burn in eternal Flames and eternal damnation
What does the Bible say about NOT being able to afford to raise a baby?
The Bible also teaches treating minorities as slaves.
@Ethan Weeter which scripture talks about abortion, but there is scripture where the god character from the bible also sends to kill unborn children, but i could not find anything against abortion. Im against abortion because i believe in human rights, but your god is actually pro abortion in the bible
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
That's speaking specifically to Jeremiah... The Bible never condemns abortion and actually advocates for it in many instances... God is pro baby killing.
Andiamdrew o he’s not so go ahead have an abortion and not repent go ahead try it
Amen! 🙏🏻
Andiamdrew Yes specifically, but it points to everyone because the Bible is God’s word and is meant for everyone. :)
@@rachelelfman2769 No it doesn't point to everyone... The Bible has specific commands to specific people as well as proclamations... it isn't talking about everyone because everyone isn't a prophet.
Sex before the abortion, the lust before the abortion...there are sins before the abortion. No one talks about
@@youngspiritualwarrior1203 so you just proved her point.
@Macabre Ducet where does it say that? Stop worshiping Satan and read God's word
@Macabre Ducet Reading and understanding are quite different. Your quickness to judge will be returned upon you, and you won’t like the result.
This is a good comment, The sinful acts leading up to the abortion are pushed aside as nothing wrong.
True
I hate when people think the unborn child is not alive watch a video of a baby inside the womb of his/ her mother and see him/her try to get away from the tools they use in terror. It's the saddest thing I've ever seen. A mother's womb should be a safe haven and people have learned to destroy that as well.
They are alive and it's a sick, pathetic world. Some day people will meet the kids they aborted. I firmly believe that. I just pray they get right with God and come to Jesus Christ before that day. Or they won't be seeing them for very long.
@@EQOAnostalgia its a clump of cells until their internal organs form to beat so until that happens then an abortion shouldnt be done do it before it starts as soon as possible
Unintentional comedy is the best comedy
It is so heartbreaking
You kill your own baby you will go to hell for it period.There is no ifs and butts about it.This is a serious as your going to get with this.. thanks and God bless
The one thing that keeps me from completely being on the pro life side, are the cases of rape and sexual abuse. I know it’s the minority but it is still valid and very important. I feel like it’s really cruel to look at a rape victim that’s considering abortion and scream “baby killer”. Like, no one has ‘have an abortion’ on their bucket lists. But this person (hypothetically) has been psychologically scarred, and feels terrified and alone. They’re not thinking about ‘the greater good’ or some kind of unconditional morality, they’re thinking this is their only option out of freedom and pain.
But why should the baby be punished for this? They didn’t do anything wrong
I agree it’s a hard subject, however many pro choice people arnt fighting for that, they are fighting to have an abortion freely even though they made the choice to get pregenant. Time and time again, people have 1,2,3,4 abortions simply Bc it’s easier to not use BC or taking care of a child. They want to freely abort their pregnancies rather than prevent it all together
u little shit the baby doesn’t have to be with the mother, there are families who can’t have kids and would gladly take the baby in and raise it as their own
@@anomaloustick4471 If that's the argument then we could also say , why should the mother suffer by carrying the rapist unborn child? It is not her fault...
Also, in the baby's case he/she won't really suffer (if the abortion is made in the first weeks). Whereas the mother ... oh she is suffering and WILL suffer so much for so long...
But of course, it is not that simple...
Dennisse Alarcon Aguirre the main difference is ones suffering and the other is murder, and also 0.5% of abortions are rabe/incest
As a true Christian, one can never proclaim that our HEAVENLY FATHER is for abortion. Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee... Psalms 139:13 Possession of reins and covered in womb by GOD. Deuteronomy 19:10 Innocent blood be not shed in thy land which GOD giveth thee, and so blood be upon thee. Proverb 6:17 LORD hates hands that shed innocent blood. Isaiah 59:7-8. 2Kings 24:4.
Another verse that correlates to Psalm 139:
“As you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.”
Ecclesiastes 11:5 ESV
Glow Mentor it’s a fucking fairytale
But that verse could work in both ways as while you can’t claim to abort a fetus before god has given it life, you also can’t claim that there is a definite point in pregnancy when god has given a fetus life. This verse just brings us back to the question of what we can factually define as life at a specific point in pregnancy wether it be scientific or religious.
Oh thats cool! i can recite verses too!
( these have been summarized but you are welcome to look them up on your own)
• God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53).
• For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8).
• God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16).
• For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16).
• Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19)
Good will destroy America. Like 9/11 we were handed over to a branch of islam and it will be worse next time.. because we did evil im sight of The Lord.
I’m a Lonely Cow you can believe that if you want
In Psalm 139 David said "For you (Go d)created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.
I’ve always been pro-life, and against abortion till I learned more about pregnancy and it’s effects in gynaec and obstetrics. I’m not going to say that abortion is right, but there are situations where the health of the mother is more important -
1. A child rape victim, who is unable to comprehend her situation and whose body is unsuitable for the pregnancy. In this case it is medical and psychological.
2. An adult rape victim who is displaying immense psychological disturbance and is simply unable to cope with the pregnancy. Now I know many of you are saying that the child is innocent in this case, indeed it is true and honestly I think the women realise it as well and don’t abort the child. But there are some among them who are just that affected and at that time it’s better to do so for her health. Pregnancy even in the planned setting has immense psychological pressure, women frequently experience depression and other similar symptoms, on top of this the trauma from rape? I think God is merciful and loving, he knows when his daughters need help.
3. A planned pregnancy where the mother’s life is in danger. No questions asked, I’m a medical student, I know my priority is the mom and my God will also without a doubt look out for his daughter.
I insist that this topic not be discussed in the lines that ‘oh the child is innocent’, we people who have never been raped can not understand, and in the case you have been you still can’t comprehend what ur fellow victim is feeling. In all these situations the counsel and kindness of the church is important. Also, I think it’s better for abortion to be legal, not in support but because too many die from illegal abortions.
@CALEB ALVAREZ Wtffff
@CALEB ALVAREZ you're a man so shut up
@CALEB ALVAREZ I don’t disagree, I was looking at it more from a medical and psychological standpoint. I hope you are doing well and happy. Honestly, I’m afraid of how I would be if I experienced something similar. My long winded explanation was for people casually dismissing the plight of the mother, child or adult (lol I got triggered).
A man rapes a woman and the baby is given a death sentence, is the rapist killed in the same way the baby is?? I know a woman whose husband raped her and she has three children by him, are her children to be killed? are they just like the father? or have a different personality. If you have a baby in the womb dismembered while alive because she was raped, then you must go and kill all the children born of rape. The baby did not rape the woman!
@@eddiewood7573 A child born from rape is innocent. But in the hospital the priority will always be for the mother. I never said that they should be aborted, but if the mother is unable to cope due to the mental stress… then what is best will be done. This might not be abortion, simply support is often times the solution.
Most women are unable to go through with abortion, even from rape. It’s just occurs to me as callous when people who have never gone through pregnancy casually say women should bear with it, particularly after a trauma. This was never about the child, for me it’s about the women. And please note, im speaking medically for women. For the children themselves abortion is carried out and even encouraged for foetuses with problems.
My cousin brothers have both died in the past 6 years, both from muscular dystrophy. Their life was hard and their only entertainment was games, I loved them. My elder brother would often be bitten by ants but couldn’t even brush them away. Initially, the very idea of abortion disgusted me, otherwise how could I have met my brothers. But that’s selfish… this world isn’t merciful to such children. My brothers were fortunate, their parents were doctors, and our family supported them. They had nothing that we didn’t provide. But it isn’t the case for many families. It comes down to medical staff to be the villains in the case and encourage abortion.
What I never understood is why the woman is forced to keep the child or she’s going to hell. But the dude can be a dead beat dad and leave the child and he’s perfectly fine
True Christians know that the woman ALONG with the men will be condemned. Our society might let men pass but not God. They’ll get what’s coming for them later.
You don't go to hell for any one sin. You only go to hell if you aren't saved. John 3:16
Robo Fett7 hell also doesn’t make sense how can your soul burn in fire if your soul is energy not a physical body
@@Jhfjjdjjfdjfjjffhfjhfh Yeah I understand your confusion! Our souls never die,they never "burn away". The term "burn" can be taken literally and metaphorically. There will be never ending agony,souls in hell will be gnashing at their teeth and weeping. A person who goes to hell will feel like their body is burning and their screams never stop. Their torment will never end. We never die,our soulds just change locations. In heaven God will give us our holy body,where we will no longer cry or be sad.
@@greciazamudio4830 souls cant burn based on what?
Begins at conception period!!! I have had abortion 2 but I asked for forgiveness. The emptiness I felt was bad I would never do it again. If anyone is confused and needs help to make other options I'm here to talk.
@@ashluvvsz hmm a hypocrite I would have to disagree. The pain I went through about my abortion was bad and painful. I asked Jesus to forgive never did I do it again. I was just speaking out for anyone who has had one that God will forgive them but not to keep doing it. I didn't really know God when I had mine as I was young. Have a good day God bless you
@@ashluvvsz I forgot there are other options besides abortions adoption. 3 term abortion on Demand is murder just for sake to have one that's not right. I fight for unborn lives now and want to help people change there minds if I can. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks of me just my Lord. He forgives people who are sorry for there sins. He loves us
My date on getting on the abortion is 2 days away I’m scared that God will punish me for it and Iam scared for the father to leave me for it and be damned to hell for it
@@lafayetteduarte9773 wasssup
@@SifunjawakoVlogs ???
Is that it?? I must say I'm disappointed. I was expecting a way more solid argument. Seems way too ambiguous to me, a really long shot to conclude the bible "clearly states abortion is wrong" from what this man just read. Anyways...
Many people who call themselves Christians and are against a woman's God given right to have an abortion are this way because they know that I am pro-choice!
OP is right. With all the recent ruckus you'd think the rules surrounding abortion would be more concrete. God can give the most insanely specific rules when it comes to how to punish a cheating spouse but gives no real rules on protecting supposed life? Your god needs to get his priorities in order lol.
You came with the wrong attitude it seems, but yes, it's wrong..
It'a not wrong all the time. It is a moral dilemma.
As it may never say it bluntly, it is HEAVILY HEAVILY implied that abortion is wrong in God’s eyes
I’m confused on this topic but I know in the Bible it also says Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.”
What is confusing to you? Maybe I could help!
God was talking specifically to Jeremiah the crying Prophet...
@@DD-wx4jc doesn't matter who he said it to... it is proof positive that LIFE starts in the womb.. there is no debate
@@oztuber2 actually it says before he was formed in the womb, the Lord knew him... which means he knew his soul and it had nothing to do with his body... 🤨
@@jdavis9092 no.. the soul (nephesh) is living creature.
he was formed in the womb and the Lord knew him before then.. as he knows all things before they happen, its called foreknowledge..it isn't a new idea 😉
63,459,781 Babies Have
Been Killed in Abortions
Since Roe v. Wade in 1973
Which one of those babies would have developed a cure for cancer? Allergies?
Asthma? Alzheimer's Disease? Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS)? Arthritis?
Blindness? Cancer? Kidney Disease? Common cold? Coronavirus? Crohn's
Disease? Cystic fibrosis? Diabetes? Depression? Ebola? Endometriosis? Epilepsy?
Fetal alcohol syndrome? Fibromyalgia? Graves’ Disease? Hepatitis? Herpes?
HIV/AIDS? Huntington's Disease? Hearing loss? Irritable bowel syndrome? Joint
pain? Leukemia? Macular degeneration? Multiple sclerosis? Muscular dystrophy?
Norovirus? Narcolepsy? Obesity? Osteoporosis? Parkinson's Disease? Progeria?
Psoriasis? Pulmonary hypertension? Pulmonary fibrosis? Postural Orthostatic
Tachycardia Syndrome? Rheumatoid arthritis? Rabies? Rett syndrome?
Schizophrenia? Scoliosis? Ulcerative colitis? Vitiligo?
Which one of those babies would have created a way to prevent autism? Downs
syndrome?
Which one of those babies would have discovered a natural way to stop alcohol
and drug addiction in its tracks?
Which one of those babies would have developed a completely pollution-free
form of energy?
Which one of those babies would have succeeded in brokering world peace?
When you kill an unborn baby,
you may possibly be killing a better future
for all mankind.
The Torah has laws where if a man harms the fruit of a woman's womb (unborn child) that an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life is traded. In other words, if a man (even on accident) struck a woman while pregnant, and the unborn child died, the man who struck her would be put to death. This is directly in the first 5 books of the Bible, you do not even need to go to the New Testament. In other words Biblically, the punishment for killing a baby unborn is the same as the punishment for murder or adultery, which is death. It is actually very clear. People just do not read Torah. I can give you the verses if you want, but in that context it is easy to lookup. Moses gives an example where if two men are fighting, and one strikes a woman ON ACCIDENT and her baby is injured or dies, the punishment is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life.
Simple. Clear. Direct. Unarguable. Study Torah.
That’s so true, I agree with you and even if I was still a atheist I would also agree because it’s very logical.
Numbers 5:19-22
Are we beyond forgiveness then?
What if the person was raped or was impregnated without consent by even a partner(still is rape).... I never a get a straight humane answer without always a biblical reference (which I already read and know about) for this question and its always this question that has been affecting my relationship with God
It doesn’t matter how the woman was impregnated
Just because she doesn’t want the child doesn’t mean she should be allowed to kill it as it is still a human life
No matter how bad the circumstance of the impregnation is it’s still another human life that should never be taken away
@@romans3234 no matter what it is, that doesn’t mean the mother should be forced to bear it to please you. A fetus lacks personhood. It’s like an insect or a plant. Technically it’s living but it’s not a “person.”
@@vladimirlenin9010 so do you also believe that severely disabled or brain damaged people are not human? and no she shouldn't be forced to have her child to please me, she should do it because killing an innocent child is wrong no matter what circumstance she finds herself in.
@@romans3234 so your basically saying she should be forced to bear a child she doesn’t want, because you think it’s morally right? Should we base everything on other’s opinions? Like i said, she doesn’t have to have a baby because killing a fetus is wrong in your opinion. Raising a child that you don’t want wouldn’t be good for the baby. People don’t have abortions because they hate babies or they don’t care or they’re promiscuous. Some people aren’t in a position to take care of a child. The baby doesn’t feel pain until the 3rd trimester and almost all happen in the first-second.
To answer your question, i got terms wrong. I meant “person.” A fetus is going to develop into a human being but a ln embryo isn’t technically a frog. A brain dead person is...dead, they may appear as if they’re present physically but the brain doesn’t receive or send electrical messages to/from the body. They’re lacking personhood. They WERE a person.
@@vladimirlenin9010 if she doesn’t want the baby it can easily be put up for adoption as there are thousands who want children and aren’t lucky enough to have their own. There will always be a want for that baby and there will always be someone willing to adopt it and look after it. Also feeling pain or other things shouldn’t be what stops someone from killing you, there are lots of illnesses and things that can cause a human to not be able to feel pain or think properly or whatever but that should be no excuse to end their life. And with what you said do you think brained or other ill or disabled people should be killed then?
In Jeremiah 1 :5 God said I knew you when I formed you and sanctified thee .
And P.P. said "We'll sell aborted tissue & organs" at discount prices! And Godless taxpayers will fund the butchery!
Instead of going on and on ad nauseam about how bad abortion is how about let's talk to people about keeping their pants zipped up ... what a novel concept!
Unfortunately, pregnancy can occur from rape. Even wanted and planned pregnancies even, can end up causing potential death for both mother and child. Abortion does not occur simply because someone had careless sex and became pregnant. Please do not put all instances of abortion into one box.
@@e.e.perhana But the staggering majority of abortions are not commited because of rape, but out of convenience.
@@jazzb3371 I was responding to Jeffry Bottoms saying that people should not have sex to prevent abortion, as if consensual sex was the only cause for unwanted pregnancy. But no matter, abortions of convenience are also fine according to The Lord. Numbers 5:11-30
Exactly. You don’t want 2 get pregnant, then don’t have sex! It’s 2019.... there are plenty of ways to prevent pregnancy.
Jeffrey Bottoms Lets talk about all the babies being killed in Yemen. Trump vetoed a bill for the US to pullout.
I guess it’s okay to kill babies and pregnant women for Saudi Arabia. Huh!
Numbers chapter 5 it clearly states a priest can perform a magic curse causing a woman to have a miscarriage aka an abortion...
The points in this video are not Biblical. They are based on man made traditions.
Don’t murder
Bam biblical
@@ShadorianPrince that's biblical
@@ShadorianPrince what's bam?
Chad Disrud that bam was just a sound effect sorta thing
people at my school are actually mad at me for being pro-life.
People at your school are not the ones you have to answer to Jesus is the way the truth and the life may God bless you stephenie
Douglas Murphy people are idots and they use my body my choice as an excuse but they'll learn
if i worried about all those that hate me or dislike me,, i'd be a basket case,, i don't care who gets offended by my beliefs,, Jesus is my God,, period
Just say horton hears a who. And the. Say if you found a single cell on mars what would they call it. PRAISE BE TO GOD
Do not be dismayed, God knows your heart, you know what is right so stand tall and believe.
Thank you for this talk. I'm wondering, the commandment is usually simply written as "Thou Shalt Not Kill." I noticed you specified, "Thou Shalt Not Kill the Innocent Human Being." Thou Shalt Not Kill by itself seems as though it would mean just that - that you should not kill anything. How can we know that the commandment is specifically referring to "innocent human beings," and not living beings in general?
It's actually "thou shall not murder" Murder meaning unjust killing of another human being
@@jubilation8383 Thank you for your input. Could you please provide any support for your statement? I read that the original Hebrew is "Lo tirtzach" which translates as "thou shalt not kill," and in Ruben Alcalay's "The Complete Hebrew / English Dictionary" he writes that "tirtzach" refers to any kind of killing whatsoever, and that "lo" means "thou shalt not."
The Bible also doesn´t directly say sexual child abuse is wrong. But just cause it isn´t banned directly, it doesn´t mean it is allowed.
It is lust and fornication which are sins.
@@SisterDianeinJESUSAmen That was my point.
The unique gene code is created when an egg is fertilised so eye colour, height, hair colour etc.
Do biology,and learn,BIGOT.
@Greg Jacques Lucifer's Jizz Gargler Damn, you mean I got it wrong all these years.......Forgive my ignorance...............
Y AV CAS Y BAB NCTNDS BADLY
@@ne007ne he isn't wrong.
@Greg Jacques Lucifer's Jizz Gargler may we all be warmed in the glorious fires of entropy!!!
He even says if a someone makes a woman miscarry, there's a fine, not life for life... It seems like he wants to change the very clear distinction.
He knows it contradicts his point, so he tries to throw out that part of the Bible? Ignore? Reinterpret it to fit his narrative?
Exodus 21: 22-25 seems pretty straight forward
I just mean, if one wishes to use the Bible as justification of ones morality, one shouldn't get to cherry pick what parts of the book one wants to adhere to.
It's laughable
Killing has nothing to do with the bible as far as is it right or wrong, killing a human is murder, it doesn't need to be in the bible it's a moral human law ❤
That's not the point. Rabid 'pro-life' hypocrites have been using scripture to justify their bigotry regarding abortion and every other cultural divide in this country. It is as if they have never actually opened a Bible, since the God of our modern Bible is so clearly pro-choice.
The bible is the reason this moral law even existed
I was listening to a Randy Stonehill song and it says (paraphrase): "It is illegal to kill whales, but it is legal to kill babies." True, and so enormously profound. As "human-beings" we should know by this that we have sunk into a grave mindset of evil. We are losing our humanity.
Again, I believe parents need to "train their children in the way they 'should' go."
Fathers: Train your sons: How to treat a lady, how to respect her by keeping your hands in proper places ONLY, how to keep his pants zipped, and flee immoral women. A REAL MAN HAS CONTROL OVER HIS OWN BODY; AND PROTECTS THE WOMAN, AS WELL AS HIMSELF.
Mothers: Train your daughters: Be tough on these guys. Don't fall in love too easily. MAKE the man respect you; or dump them. If the guy is ready to have relations with you, then he is ready to marry you. CAUSE THE MEN TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
Whales feel (and also endangered, humans are not) , embryos don't lol
@@MonicaCarden Ikr😧
@@MonicaCarden That's disproven by science. They do feel pain
We never came up from being evil. God realized we couldn't do it, so God's son Jesus agreed to carry the sin (note not sins) of the world to atone for our sins. At the cross God said it is finished....meaning end of Old Testament teaching and ushered in New Testament teaching. We can't be limping between the two except for basis of what New Testament teachings say....so if Jesus's sacrifice was his way of atoning mankind, where does He say He Needs your Help? He will address all of this in the day of Judgement. He is not asking us to legislate anything for him. HE IS ALMIGHTY GOD.
@@MonicaCarden you don't know they can't feel.
Man no offense but you butchered this. God makes it clear to Jeremiah that his life began in the womb, not to mention that the worship of baal included child sacrifice and God detested baal
@@debrac3391 and why is that
@@debrac3391 @Debra C no God didn't order the execution of the innocent, he ordered the execution of people groups that had mingled their DNA with the rephaim, and God isn't silent on the issue of murdering innocent children, Jeremiah ch 1 makes it clear that life begins in the womb, not to mention the Bible's opposition to baal worship which included child sacrifice, and numbers ch 5 is a curse the priest utters NOT an action he is to perform
@@debrac3391 @@debrac3391 @Debra C not to offend you but, you'd think as clever as atheist want people to believe they are, that they would come up with an original thought, 1st Sodom and Gomorrah were cities filled with homosexuals, its where the word sodomite comes from, so I'm not sure how many babies you think lived there. 2nd if you're a believer in evolution then there's absolutely nothing wrong with babies dying anywhere, even in the bible, you can't use Christian morality to debunk Christianity, that's called circular reasoning, 3rd I read the passage in numbers and its clearly talking about the priest uttering a curse, 4th why does it matter to you that the first born of Egypt died? What moral code are you using to say that's wrong?? Your assertion deliberately ignores the existence of a spiritual realm which is clearly part of biblical theology
5th if you're genuinely interested in a biblical discussion I'd be more than happy to have it with you, cliche free
@@debrac3391 was my previous answer to you not coherent? Is there a part that I need to explain in more detail? As for those other societies the oldest would be the Babylonian, of which they are describing a very similar story to the Israelite story, the difference is their take on it. These societies also practice baal worship which included child sacrifice. Which leads me to the next point. Before I can answer your question on the right and wrong of killing children you must first tell me how you came to the conclusion that killing children is indeed wrong, then I can answer your question
@@debrac3391 so I take it you have NO other explanation for why killing babies is wrong OTHER THAN the biblical morality codes, therefore I'm assuming that we are in agreement that they are not only correct but supernatural in origins?? Otherwise you wouldn't dismiss my question about the parameters of your question so that I could answer your question
You give quite a few passages that you think are related to God's Word on abortion but unfortunately they are all wrong. Jeremiah and Psalms passages talk about how God knew they were going to be people before they were concieved. Of course He did. God does not live in linear time like we do. He is not corporeal. He sees all points in time in a single moment. So of course He knew them before they were concieved, when they were concieved, when they were born, when they died and all points inbetween. It does not say that they were considered people in the womb. So those passages are irrelevant. The Exodus passage merely points to a remedy set forth by the Sanhedrin (people, not God) for a woman miscarrying after a physical altercation. Again irrelevant since it does not talk about the baby being a person in the womb, only after it has left the womb. So now we come to the 6th commandment - Thou shall not kill. Thou shall not kill what? That translation doesn't specify. What you should have said is the translation is wrong. The actual Hebrew translation is Thou shall not murder (kill people). So now the question is when is a baby a person? God's Word also talks about that. In fact I'm wondering why you left out this passage - Genesis 2:7 where he shows how he made Adam - the first one of us. It's the only place in the Bible where God demonstrates how he makes people and yet you left it out. So what did God do. Well, He took a bunch of dirt and fashioned a body in His image (perfect in His sight, what He wanted this human to be like). And that's all it was - just a body, not a person. It wasn't until He breathed the breath of life into that body (gave it a spirit) and with that first breath spirit and body combined to make a living soul, a person. So based on that passage, a baby is not a person until after its born and takes its first breath. After all, God did not take a pinch of dirt and breathed life into it then fashioned the body. He made a fully formed body first then made it a person. So that means the 6th commandment does not apply. A baby in the womb is not a person according to the Bible - not until its born and takes its first breath. So if the choice for survival and well being is between a person (the mother) and a potential person (the body in her womb) I'm picking the person every time.
Perhaps you should study the Bible further before you put forth your own assumptions regarding abortion. As a man I see no reason why you are allowed an opinion anyway since you have no standing. This is strictly a woman's issue and has nothing to do with you. What I see is a man who assumes that every baby concieved was meant to be born and has presented Biblical passages that you think confirms that assumption, however irrelevant they are. My question to you is how do you know that it's God's will that all baby's conceived are meant to be born? How do any of us know? I don't and neither do you. Let's face it, there have been a number of babies born that we would have been better off if they hadn't - Hitler, Stalin, John Wayne Gacy, Timothy McVeigh, etc. So before you put your assumptions before God's will (and NOTHING should come before God's will) you should take what I've said before the Lord, put aside your assumptions and ask if what I've said is true. Then wait for the answer AND wait for confirmation of the answer. Because there are times when what we think and what God thinks don't align. Sometimes God charges us to kill. The Canaanites, Perizzites, Jebusites and others - God charged the Isrealites to destroy them all in order to maintain the life God meant for them to have. Why is it wrong for a woman to do the same?
Actual Exodus 20 is "thou shall not murder' - is the actual KJ translation
Murder is a condition of the heart
Killing is and can be justified righteously - example David vs. Goliath
Abortion is murder
A woman has a right to abstain from sex,
Not a right to murder
The people of that time knew far more than you give credit.
I love God and his word but it's not my place to tell anyone abortion is bad. It is the women who is living through it not me or anyone else.
but it is, if you love god you would listen and support the bible
God has already judged. He is the one who gives life it's not in our hands to take life ...
Listen let God del with it are u the bible police ??? Huh no ....... exactly !!!!go donate or help a person in who wants help from u.
a women wanting to have an abolition is a personal matter that’s between the lady and God. Want to know what the problem is people belittling others for making a Choice we all have free will and it’s not up to anyone but the person in charge of their body to make the choice .
And I do love god and my kids do love me too but they don’t always listen so seriously back off be realistic let’s think of more way to invite ppl not single them out with.... that’s why we loose believers every day and the churches get more empty think outside the box !!!!
@@thefourexplorers3328like I said the God has already judged and what I mean by that is God has already laid his commandments in the Bible for how we should live. so I don't need to police nothing. And if you loved God and his word the truth will be in you to share it to others. Yes everyone has free choice to make decisions but I speak the truth out of love not here to sugarcoat nothing for people and I'm not here to hate anyone after all I don't know you or anyone one here to be up in my feelings but what you need to know is that Jesus shared the truth he did not sugarcoat anything for people's feelings. Why? Because the truth makes us free. I'm not here to point the finger and say whoever has done abortion is terrible because we all have a past and I have close friends that have and I still love them and they are forgiven because they have repented and that's between them and God but if your a follow of the Bible you should be bold enough to share sin is sin no matter what they act of sin is and you share it in love.
“Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible like any other human being.” (CCC 2274)
The CCC was made in the late 1980s. We should be evaluating original biblical text not a specific religious denomination’s interpretation
Who wrote this CCC 2274?
@@jordanmarie888 How about the 2000 Y.O. First do no harm/ Hippocratic Oath? "Similarly I will not give to a woman a pessary to cause abortion. But I will keep pure and holy both my life and my art." Now USA [cough] "doctors" Harn & kill 70 million innocent Gods babies & you people don't give a rats ass! How sick is that?
If a female is rape they don’t have to kill the baby because of the crime the father commit and why can’t a female go through the adaption process if she doesn’t want the child it doesn’t take a year to do it
Adoption is perfectly fine
That is exactly what the woman should do... if it was a planned baby they would carry it 9mths.. so to avoid being a murderer that is all she would have to do then adopt it out.
It all depends on whether you consider the "laws" in the OT (like the Ten Commandments) to still be binding. If so, read Numbers 5 very carefully and thoughtfully (if possible), which describes the law concerning how a woman suspected of adultery is tried and punished if found guilty. This passage was closely studied by a Hebrew scholar as part of a larger study of the rites in Jewish law regarding adultery. Here is the citation: Bewer, Julius A., Union Theological Seminary, New York, "The Ordeal in Numbers Chapter 5", (The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Volume 30, October 1913), 36-47. His conclusions are very very clear: a pregnant adulteress will MISCARRY. Earlier or overly literal translations obscure or water down the sense of the text. "Thigh", in particular, is a euphemism for her reproductive system. IF the woman IS found guilty of adultery, then she has definitely had sex with another man, and sex often leads to PREGNANCY. Clearly SOME of the women found guilty WILL be pregnant. So here we have a LAW, decreed by god, which orders (adulterous pregnant) women to take specific, ritualized actions which cause the abortion of their fetuses. So not only does god not forbid abortions, he commands that they deliberately occur.
So you're running to someone else's interpretation on scripture and then building a case for slaughtering the innocent? God forgive you! Scripture says NOTHING about allowing abortion... ANYWHERE. EVER. This is why people want to run to the Greek or Hebrew... because they couldn't tear down the 1611 King James so now you clowns want to pull people into corrupt garbage. Riplinger has absolutely DESTROYED you people and your heresy. REPENT.
@@EQOAnostalgia You're an idiot. God wants some kids dead according to his word. Get over it and worship your deity in peace.
@Phil Andrew Did they have a special term for "miscarry" at the time it was written 2000+ years ago? I'm not an expert in Hebrew, so I can't say. I can only quote ACTUAL experts, who, obviously must be given some credence.
@Phil Andrew The purpose of the ritual is clear: to punish the woman for infidelity by inhibiting her from having babies. What isn't mentioned (because they didn't care about that side of it) is what happens to a growing fetus inside her soon-to-be shriveled womb, and it doesn't take a genius to guess what that is.
@Phil Andrew Right! If she DID have intercourse with another man, she MIGHT BE PREGNANT. Some of the women would certainly be. And surely they realized that! But they didn't care! The loss of a fetus was so unimportant to them they didn't even mention it. So why would they have the slightest problem with abortion?? You're right, "it was simply a ritual to induce infertility". But it caused the "death" of a fetus for every woman who happened to BE pregnant due to the infidelity. And such an eventuality was too trivial even to mention!
Here's what it says about unrighteous men and those righteous
Revelation 22:11
""let the unrighteous man remain unrighteous still"
See, it's God's will that you allow others free will without interfering with their rights or do not infringe upon others rights but practice your righteousness without trying to play like if you have God's authority to interfere when you and I absolutely never had such authority.
The scriptural passage continues, "But let those righteous, continue being righteous still".
You heard your command now from God and never allow anyone to interfere with your rights ever , if they do bring these scriptures out and check to see if they obey God or are a false religion that will not obey God but obeys men instead.
Hey bud... that's referencing the second coming of Jesus Christ... as in the VERY LAST DAY. It's not meant to be used to preach liberation of sin lol. Don't cherry pick doctrine to fit your disgusting agenda.
What if a woman got pregnant from being raped? And what if the abortion is the only way to save the woman’s life from pregnancy? That is the part that is really hard to say whether abortion is every okay or never okay. I feel like this abortion debate isn’t a black and white mentality. This is actually the problem with both political sides which I’m referring to the Left and the right.
That's why they should pray if they don't want anything bad to happen to them. God Is a protector.
The body is the image of God and a temple. So if she picks the option of the doctor's focusing more on her instead of the baby than it's okay. But if she dies and the baby lives than God will reward her because of her sacrifice which is one of the most noble things to do in Christian faith.
@@amahalo278 that is the stupidest goddamn argument i've ever heard on how one should cope with RAPE
Oh yeah cause that happens on such a huge percentage and your statement is very lazy.
@@aaronshanker6019 Eww that's a real bad mindset
The Mosaic law in Exodus 21:22-25, directly following the Ten Commandments, makes it clear that an embryo or fetus is not a human being.
Not once does the Bible ever say not to abort a pregnancy.
I don't understand why God would create a beautiful little baby, or help create it thru the parents, and then that child grows up feeling empty inside or depressed and without lifegoals or even the ability to see the wonder of life. A beautiful child, so dear and perfect, who gets so lost later on. Why. Why. Why. Why.
@MLH Because He doesn’t control us.. He gave us a free will but it is when we choose to give our life to Him and fully trust Him that’s when He’ll take over.
I hope the kids that are brought into this world will choose to turn to Him and not the works of this world.
LMFAOOO my guy, god doesn’t create these kids. I’m pretty sure a man and woman do. Y’all dipshits talk about Gods plan like y’all know what it is. If god was so great and this was all his plan, why do so many young black youth grow up to die before 25? Why do so many of these young kids get shot out here in Chicago? Most of the kids that got shot this year are under 10 years old. Part of gods plan right? You’re an idiot if you truly believe God is in control of anything.
Because maybe God doesn't exist.
Foolish to assume that every baby will grow up to be miserable
God doesn't force humans to do anything,we have our own free will,people need to realize that
Thank you for making this video!!!...I'm calling on all Christian leaders that profess Jesus as Lord and Savior to step up and preach the good word in this most teachable moment!! Whether you are evangelical, baptist, episcopal, non denomination, lutheran, AME, methodist, penecostals....we all have a Bible to reference. If we all confess Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior this is not a moment to be silent and give in to a 'mob mentality' that is inspired by Ephesians 6 activity. That is what Pontius Pilate did..If we look around Christ said you will know a tree by it's fruit and the fruits we are seeing now are are promoting anger, rebellion and killing babies? What spirit do you think encourages that?? In John 10:10, Christ states..."I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. ... The thief (devil) comes only to steal and kill and destroy." Can't you see that is what is being promoted now?? Additionally, if anyone looks up the founder of planned parenthood, Margaret Sanger, she was a eugenicists and racists. She was an atheist full of hate. If anyone believes otherwise then they can explain to me her complete writing on the Negro Project Papers?? Please Pastors or anyone that truly confesses Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, preach the good news now.
"Additionally, if anyone looks up the founder of planned parenthood, Margaret Sanger, she was a eugenicists and racists"
Additionally, if anyone looks up Jesus in the Bible, he was a bastard, a hypocrite, disobeyed some of the Bible's commandments, and was a racist.he founder of planned parenthood, Margaret Sanger, she was a eugenicists and racists
You are focusing on the wrong part of the verse . The debate should be , no mischief follows (unintentional) mischief follows (intentional) the verse/law is not about the life of the women , it's about the life of the unborn child and the cause of it's loss . The punishment is as written
I tried reading the Bible but it was too difficult.
I am not Hebrew and I don't live in a Bronze Age tribal culture.
Instead, I prefer Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris. I loved Carlos Castaneda's "Journey to Ixtlan" as a book of wisdom.
Nothing wrong with reading any one book . . I read many quotes from the first two authors mentioned , and having a conversation with either of them would be fun . Reading the bible is really not that difficult , it takes time yes but one needs to familiarize oneself with the text , the language , the different dialects , (for example ) lets use the apostle Paul , Paul spoke greek but it was colloquial greek a type of dialect that takes some getting used too . Understanding how God teaches (symbolically) how Jesus spoke (in parables) , the use of polysyndetons , dispensationalism , sourcing , (SOURCING) which is a major factor in rightly dividing the word of truth . The majority of readers who read the bible come away with an eisegesis mentality , they see it all literally and that;s not how our Father teaches . Peace to you !
It pleases God when he looks upon us and sees us reading the bible , keep reading my friend .
I know that seems a bit much , but start small and work one's way up . Start by learning Jesus's parables . Parable of the fig tree , Jesus said (now learn a parable) Matthew 24:32
Yes. Children and women were owned by the man. If injury was caused to the pregnancy, the man would suffer the loss of his ownership, and the loss of income and services generated by the offspring and the “wife”, female servant. Of course he was due recompense. What’s it got to do w abortion?
correct.. it has nothing to do with abortion
Even if that Exodus passage was talking about a miscarriage, that still would not justify abortion. There are passages about other Biblical figures having their born children killed as a punishment, yet that does not justify killing children post-birth. In the same way, that verse does not justify killing children pre-birth.
"Thou shalt not kill" apparently does not apply to self-defense, war, or capital punishment according to the Christianists who like to cherry pick their belief system. Unfortunately, I missed the exception clause of this commandment
Luke 22:36, Exodus 22:2-3, Luke 18:3, some simple research shows that there are various bible verses that say self-defense is okay... Along with this, the Hebrew word that the commandment was originally written in actually translates to “the intentional, premeditated killing of another person with malice; murder.” So you are the one misconstruing the commandment. It says nothing on self-defense and war, but instead on murder. This does not apply to self-defense, war, and capital punishment. How about you do a simple google search instead of spreading uneducated viewpoints you dunce.
@@jackg1902
The Sixth Commandment, as translated by the Book of Common Prayer (1549).
The image is from the altar screen of the Temple Church near the Law Courts in London.
Thou shalt not kill (LXX; οὐ φονεύσεις), You shall not murder (Hebrew: לֹא תִּרְצָח ; lo tirṣaḥ) or You shall not kill (KJV), is a moral imperative included as one of the Ten Commandments in the Torah.[1]
The imperative to not kill is in the context of unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt.[2]
Contents
1 Hebrew Bible
1.1 Retzach
1.2 Justified killing: due consequence for crime
1.3 Justified killing: in warfare
1.4 Justified killing: intruder in the home
2 Jewish doctrine
3 New Testament doctrine
4 Roman Catholic doctrine
4.1 Abortion
4.2 Capital punishment
4.3 Suicide, euthanasia, health, intoxication
4.4 War and self-defense
5 Reformation and Post-Reformation doctrines
5.1 Lutheranism
5.2 Calvinism
5.3 Anglicanism
6 See also
7 References
8 Further reading
9 External links
Hebrew Bible[edit]
Retzach[edit]
The Hebrew verb רצח (r-ṣ-ḥ, also transliterated retzach, ratzákh, ratsakh etc.) is the word in the original text that is translated as "murder" , but it has a wider range of meanings, generally describing destructive activity, including meanings "to break, to dash to pieces" as well as "to slay, kill, murder".
According to the Priestly Code of the Book of Numbers, killing anyone outside the context of war with a weapon, or in unarmed combat, is considered retzach, but if the killing is accidental, the accused must flee to one of the cities of refuge-and remain in that city until the high priest dies, or the "revenger of blood" can kill the accused with no legal repercussions. The Bible never uses the word retzach in conjunction with war.
The worst part is, christians are ignorant of the fact that their satanic "God" even orders abortions himself.
Numbers 5
11 Then the LORD said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure-or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure- 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.
16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”- 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse-“may the LORD cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”
@Phil Andrew It's obvious that this is a procedure meant to be executed after a suspected intercourse that may or may not have lead to a pregnancy for the purpose of discontinuing said pregnancy. It's also obvious you make up your argument in bias trying to defend an abhorent religion and "God". It us furthermire obvious that ypu are a fucking devil worshipper, worshipping a child murdering bastard, proven again and again throughout the bible, f.i. when he slaughters 2000 of Egypts firstborn after he himself hardened pharoahs heart. I have more respect for what I leave in the toilet than for satanists like you.
The Bible is not everyone’s book of life and rules to live by. You do you, others do them.
Yes!
There are 303 religions in the US and over 4,000 in the world. We have no State Religion. The “Christian Nation” stuff is BS.
Tbh, if everyone tried to live by it, even though it goes against everyone's desires, the world would be a great place and Heaven on earth if u think about it
@@justsaying4352 Christians built this country if you don’t like it, why not leave
It's not every sinners book because it exposes them
"There’s no “abortion verse” or “fetus verse” in the Bible."
There are verses that establish the position that an unborn child is not a living person until they have drawn their first breath.
where?
@@sarahbutler9270 First thing you have to remember is that according to the Bible, unless the female is born into slavery because her mother was a slave, a female is the property of her father until she marries, at which point she is the property of her husband.
Exodus 21:22 “If some men are fighting and hurt a pregnant woman so that she loses her child, but she is not injured in any other way, the one who hurt her is to be fined whatever amount the woman's husband demands, subject to the approval of the judges.
23 But if the woman herself is injured, the punishment shall be life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Verse 22 has the woman suffering a miscarriage & the person responsible is NOT charged with murder but instead must pay a fine to her husband.
But if the woman is killed in the attack ( verse 23) , the person responsible is charged with murder.
Obviously the unborn child is not considered a person yet.
The following verses establish that the first breath is the beginning of life:
Ezekiel 37:5-6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live;
@@cnault3244 so abortion isn't sin?
@@LadyAsia93 "so abortion isn't sin?"
Wel, since the definition of the word sin is "a transgression of a divine law", unless someone can prove a deity exists then can prove what that deity's laws are, there is no reason to think anything is a sin.
This, of course, does not address the question is it immoral or moral?
But assuming a god exists, and it is the god of the Bible, can you point out a passage that says abortion is a sin?
Meanwhile, I will list these passages that would indicate the Bible has no problem with terminating pregnancies:
Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
2 Kings 15:16 Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
Think your pregnant wife is carrying another man's baby? This ritual will end the pregnancy is she has cheated on you. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child. Numbers 5:11-21
@@cnault3244 Exodus 20:13
This comment will probably fall on deaf ears, but anyways:
First off, I'm glad you addressed the actual issue that the abortion issue comes down to whether or not a fetus is a person. Bravo
However, I think you are taking liberties with the Exodus Passage. First off, the NIV Bible has a footnote stating that premature birth or miscarriage both can apply in verse 22. Second, in the NIV, and other translations, the sentence's grammar structure clearly implies that injury refers to the mother, but is NOT clear whether it applies to the fetus. If we interpret Exodus 21:22 as a premature birth where the child AND mother are both unharmed, and yet the aggressor still pays a fine, then this verse is inconsistent with the rest of Levitical Law. Punishment is never doled out for actions resulting in zero damage. It only makes sense if there is some sort of damage - aka observable damage to the child once it exits the womb. The premature birth has to result in deformities, developmental issues, or death of the child for the aggressor to pay a fine. The Lex Talionis part in 23-25 clearly refers to the mother. You could presumably kill the mother, and not the fetus by hitting her, the fetus is soon after expelled (and maybe survives) and yet the aggressor would pay life for a life for killing the mother, and not the fetus.
But hey, guess what, we don't have to argue grammatical differences, we can go back to the Greek Septuagint translation. If you translate 22-25 from Greek to English, you get:
"And if two men strive and smite a woman with child, and her child be born imperfectly formed, he shall be forced to pay a penalty: as the woman's husband may lay upon him, he shall pay with a valuation. But if it be perfectly formed, he shall give life for life"
This is actually something new. It actually implies that there is a point at which the fetus crosses from being not a person to being a person. Early Christian patriarchs in the 4th century AD and before wouldn't have had any other way of discerning this point other than fetal viability. If you have premature childbirth, and the child suffers no apparent issues and survives - fully formed. Premature childbirth and child is dead, or dies soon after - not fully formed.
This in my opinion very clearly rejects the evangelical Christian notion that a person is formed at the moment of conception. That's a viewpoint meant to push an agenda.
Yet another using the corrupt NIV which is the only version that has this agenda over all the many versions... same deal in numbers 5.... total misinterpretation of the words....
Exodus 21
22If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
There is no miscarriage here.. It is saying if the woman who has been hit has a baby early and there is no damage(mischief) then the assaulter should surely be punished for hurting the woman, But if any harm(mischeif) does occur down the line an eye for an eye or death in the case of a still born.. If the baby later comes out deformed from the assault the punishment would be equal.. If it came out blind... Then the asaulter would be blinded as punishment...... A baby 'departing from her' is a baby being BORN.. Not dying.. And AGAIN this shows the importance held for THE UNBORN and that an unborn baby is 100% considered as life which goes back to conception.
@@oztuber2 Oh great, you wanna go back and use older translations? Let's do that, shall we. Since these verses are part of the Torah, we gotta defer to the Jewish and their community on the matter. The Jewish scholar and rabbi known as Rashi interpreted these verses to mean that if any harm came specifically to the mother, then the punishment/fine applies. The mischief does not apply to the fetus, since it is assumed a miscarriage, or that it will die shortly after birth since, you know, premature births had an insanely high infant mortality rate 2 to 4 thousand years ago.
Also, if you familiarize yourself with Jewish Talmud law, you'll find that they don't consider a fetus a person until it is naturally born. This is why the Jewish community always has largely been pro-choice, ESPECIALLY if there's a chance of any medical complications for the mother.
Also, glad you recognized the NIV is partially corrupt. Maybe you'll also recognize that in the 1980s, they had an anti-gay agenda so they paid for a translation that changed the word "boy molesters" to mean homosexuals in the New Testament verses, meaning those verses in 1 Corinthians, Romans, and 1 Timothy don't actuallt condemn homosexuality, they condemned pederasty (which is rape).
Abortion robs an INNOCENT child of a life.....
ONLY Almighty God has that supreme right!!
Human life begins at conception, not at birth.
Many women now use it as a form of contraception and for selfish reasons that they don't want the responsibility of their evil deeds of fornication and adulterous extramarital affairs.
The Scripture is quite clear:
"11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also,
Do not kill.
Now if thou dost not commit adultery, but killest, thou art become a transgressor of the law".
James 2:11 (ASV)
Wrong human life begins at breath the unborn child has no value. Till it breaths on its own
@@user-xs2qq7kv9w
Wrong....Human life actually begins at conception or fertilization.
Birth is the way into this life only.
The human life form has been alive and growing in the womb for the last nine months.
So cruelly dissecting abortion robs an INNOCENT child of a life.....
ONLY Almighty God has that supreme right!!
How a 'mother' can consent to killing her own flesh and blood is both inhumane and morally revolting.
@@earnestlycontendingforthef5332 nope not according to him Bible. You just can’t see pass the false interpretation your church claims.
@@earnestlycontendingforthef5332 only cultist claim only their leader has the right , if it ok for god to kill the unborn than it is ok for anyone to do so .
@@earnestlycontendingforthef5332 easy if the mother was brainwashed to put god or Jesus first and she truly believe god was telling her to kill her own child. Refusing to would mean she puts her child before god. Just like god told abraham to kill his son till an angel not god stop him and said to cut the foreskin.
If you compare Exodus 21:22 with Exodus 23:26 you'll see that in 23:26 it is talking about miscarrying and that the Hebrew word used there for miscarriage was not used in 21:22
Also the penalty in Exodus 21 is death, and to my knowledge it is the only time that the death penalty is given for an accident.
I highly doubt that the LORD would want a man to be killed for accidently killing a women, with only a fine given for the death of a baby.
When someone accidently kills a man, the LORD provides safety cities for the killer to flee to so that they are not killed by anyone seeking retribution, but people want to believe that the LORD - YHVH wants death given to someone who accidently kills a woman?
I think that the penalties in Exodus 21:22 is what the husband sees fit and a fine for accidentally causing a premature live birth where the baby is otherwise healthy,
and the death penalty for accidently causing a miscarriage (life for life).
It makes sense to me that God would put a harder penalty on accidently killing a child in contrast with the penalty for accidently killing an adult.
the death penalty is if the man kills both the woman and the unborn baby. also, it's a W not a V in God's name
@@Ari-ep2ub Again, everywhere else in the Bible there is no death penalty for something that's an accident.
I doubt God would punish someone with death for an accident.
This would be the only example of that if true, which I don't think it is.
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About the name YHVH
In ancient Hebrew there isn't a letter that corresponds to the letter W
The name of God in Hebrew is spelled: YUD - HE - VAV - HE
Y H V H
(No W's)
When you read the W in the name YHVH, it should be phonetically pronounced with a V sound,
like a German W.
In German the name Wagner is pronounced as Vagner.
(The W is pronounced as a V)
Here I have copied the section of the name YHVH from the Strong's Concordances:
3068. Yhvh ►
Strong's Concordance
Yhvh: the proper name of the God of Israel
Original Word: יְהוָֹה
Part of Speech: Proper Name
Transliteration: Yhvh
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-vaw')
Definition: the proper name of the God of Israel
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(Transliteration: YhVh
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-Vaw'))
@@emmbeeblues4649 im Jewish and one of the things we are not allowed to do is write gods name or even speak it outside of prayer on a high holiday so i will try to respond as best as i can. people spell/say gods name with a W instead of a V bec gods name is so sacred (with the V) that they use W instead, thats why i "corrected" u even though u are technically correct. with the first part about the murder, someone told me in the past that that was what the christian bible says so thats why i said that, sorry. im the jewish bible we dont recognize a fetus as a person until birth so it would not count as murder. saying the "god of israel" insinuates that the "jewish god" only has israel as domain so its "god of the jewish people" or just god.
@@Ari-ep2ub yeah I know you're not allowed but that's just tradition (not from God),
how did they used to write his name in manuscripts if it was wrong to do?
You telling me Moses, and all the scribes were sinning when they wrote YHVH down?
Or that Moses, or any prophet, or anyone who read the word aloud to the people, so that they could hear,
was sinning when they proclaimed the name of YHVH?
That tradition I believe is supposedly meant to keep his name Holy,
but I think it does the opposite,
how is it Holy to treat his name like a bad word, to never speak or read it, so that it is forgotten from the minds of the people, never being praised like Azariah, Hannaniah, and Mishael in the fiery furnace?
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Also that's just the Strong's Concordance saying the God of Israel (not me)
I guess it's just speaking historically, saying that YHVH is the God of the Israelites (the children of Jacob who is named Israel),
as opposed to him being the god/god's of the Cannanites (or other tribes) like Baal, or Ashtoreth etc.
I know that YHVH is the God of everyone, not just Israel, and not just the tribe of Judah, but everyone...
Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die."
("...all souls are mine..."
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But how does the "jewish bible" not recognize that a fetus is a person?
Doesn't it have verses like:
Hosea 12:3
"He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God:"
Judges 13:4-5
"Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:
For lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines."
("...from the womb..."
the mother shouldn't drink while pregnant with the fetus because he has to be a Nazarite even while he's in the womb before birth.)
Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet to the nations"
Job 31:15
"Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?"
And
Psalms 139:13-14
"For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous [are] thy works; and [that] my soul knoweth right well."
(Surly it's a sin to stop God's work.)
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@@emmbeeblues4649 god in Judaism does not have a gender or a body, how can god represent everything if god is confined to a single gender and body? we are allowed to read it just not write it where it can be erased, not in a holy context, and not permanent or speak it out of prayer bec its so holy. we can say hashem which means god in hebrew but any of gods actual names are only to be in prayer or while reading the bible but the one u said is the holiest. they wrote gods name in a holy context on sacred lamb skin parchment in a sacred ink that could only be made by certain people so its different. of course we care abt the fetus/baby while its in the womb but we believe god breaths life into the baby at first breath. the fetus/baby does not become its individual self with its own human rights till after its born. jewish law allows abortions and actually encourages it if the mothers life is endangered. in jewish law the mothers health and safety always comes before the unborn childs. with what u quoted, those are christian verses that were added into ur bible. also, i have no idea who Azariah, Hannaniah, and Mishael are and when u say fiery furnace, jews dont believe in hell. its a christian concept that isnt actually in the christian bible, it was added in later if u look at early versions of ur bible.
A question I struggle to have answers to, if a woman had an abortion before finding God and repents, is she able to be forgiven? It’s hard to figure out and answer
Of course she can receive forgiveness if she repents. :)
I believe that but when in conversation I can’t seem to find a way to explain it
Yes,I had 2 abortions before finding God ,I had a vision from God about abortions,He stopped my heart as I stopped the hearts of my children,then I asked for Mercy and Help and He restarted my heart beating(in the vision and in reality-2 times).I"ll make a testimony about that.The Lord will forgive you, my sister!We have AN AMAZING GOD!
Absolutely!
It’s crazy to see how much my knowledge of Gods word has improved and how much stronger my faith is from just one year ago
Bible: "Thou shalt not kill"
Add-on: innocent people
Do you think unborn children are innocent?
Numbers 5
11 Then the LORD said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure-or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure- 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.
16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”- 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse-“may the LORD cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”
correct, most Christians believe that genesis 9:6 "whoever sheds the blood of man by man shall his blood be shed" meaning that you can only execute someone who has killed others
Modern English = Do not murder
@@Fighting_Irish184
Bible: *Moses murders half of his own people for worshipping a cow*
The Hebrew word "ratsach" literally means "murder". There's a perfectly good Hebrew word, "harag" for the generic word "kill" which you're using. The King James is the only legitimate translation that renders it this way. The appropriate translation is "You shall not murder". Murder is "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another" (google), which is consistent with the rest of the ancient law code. He's not adding on anything to the text.
*Moses murders half of his own people for worshipping a cow.*
Moses didn't murder anyone. And certainly not "half his people" died. Both of these statements are false. In fact, so much so that I'm not even sure if you've actually read the book at all.
#1 They were held in contempt according to the ancient law code, which says that idolatry is punishable by death.
#2 They had every opportunity to leave and go to a different nation to worship any idol they wanted. Instead, they chose to stay in a place that had a death penalty for idol worship, knowing full well they'd be killed for it. This is not Islam, there's no punishment for leaving.
#3 Moses wasn't the one who commanded them to be killed, it was God. And it was the Levites that executed the judgement.
#4 3,000 of 600,000 is not half. It's not even 1%, try 0.5%. You're about 597,000 people off. Also, just to entertain your lie, let's say it was half, it still doesn't matter. Because you're missing the entire point of the passage.
Exodus 22:20 - Whoever sacrifices to any god, other than the LORD alone, shall be devoted to destruction.
We're also talking about the same people that God:
- Delivered from 400 years of slavery.
- Split the red sea and destroyed the entire army of Pharaoh to protect them.
- Rained food down from heaven to feed the 600 thousand people.
- Split open a giant rock that gushed infinite water for all of them to drink.
- Saved them from a large scale war.
... and still they disobeyed Him constantly, over and over without end, complaining constantly. And ultimately after all that they decided to worship a statue of a cow instead of Him. Which was against the law that they agreed to follow which they knew would result in their death if they disobeyed.
The point of this passage isn't supposed to make the reader go "Oh no! Those poor people!" It's supposed to make the reader go "Finally!!", because God is so painfully patient with them.
Nehemiah 9:18-19 - Even when they cast for themselves an image of a calf and said, ‘This is your God who brought you up out of Egypt,’ and when they committed terrible blasphemies, You in Your great compassion did not forsake them in the wilderness...
Yes, you read that right. Even then, God still delivered the people out of the wilderness.
The people didn't even care about God or Moses
Exodus 32:22-23 - “Do not be enraged, my lord,” Aaron replied. “You yourself know that the people are intent on evil. They told me, ‘Make us gods who will go before us. As for this Moses who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has happened to him!’..."
(no that does not mean that they don't know who Moses is...)
Mind you, there are upwards of 600,000 people, and only three thousand were killed. That doesn't sound like "half of his own people" as you said.
I don't think your a disingenuous person, but you're certainly misleading others by making completely false claims about what the bible says.
I can't sleep at night knowing that there's little babies being killed every day and children being abused animals being mistreated people being murdered molested I can't stand it it bothers me very badly
If there is an age of accountability then abortion is the most humane thing to do because your sending the kid to heaven instead of giving them a chance to grow up and reject God
I just feel so bad for those who are victims of rape and I understand killing is a sin but what about people who kill I’m war or self defense. Killing should be wrong on causes not just abortions
So much explaining from humans. We have a Bible, God lets us know so why are people sticking their noses into Gods business. People can be wrong and God is perfect.
Shirley Hall bruh, he’s making a conclusion based on what the Bible says.
Ashley Claybourn what.
Pineapple Cake Amen.
Ashley Claybourn what made you delete your random commentaries, dude?
Ashley Claybourn Am I not “blind” anymore?
Lord forgive me for my sins 😥😓 I’m mad at myself
I have been there too your not alone. Please talk with Jesus he will heal you and help.
You're not alone ❤
The only way to heal from this is to adopt a child. God will forgive you.
Im torn between having one or not! 😭💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔 idk what to do . Someone please give me advice 🥺
TYLER LANDON MINGS yess
To suggest that the Bible is silent on abortion is a lie. In both the Old and New Testaments, the language used to describe born and unborn people is the same. For example, in Luke 1:41, the unborn John the Baptist is called a “brephos” which means “babe” or “baby” in Greek. Then, in the very next chapter, the born Jesus is also called a “brephos.” We are also told that Elizabeth’s baby leapt in her womb upon being in the presence of Mary. Should we conclude that this makes no statement about the unborn? If so, and if the Bible is silent on abortion, then it is logical to also conclude that Scripture is indifferent about whether these women would have aborted Jesus and John the Baptist. After all, by pro-choice reasoning, at this point they didn’t even exist. (A few Scriptural references to the unborn include: Genesis 25:22-24; Job 31:15; Psalm 22:9-10; Psalm 139:13-16; Jeremiah 1:5; Hosea 12:2-3; Luke 1:15; Luke 1:41; and Exodus 21:22-24.)
Moreover, not every word Jesus uttered is recorded in Scripture so there is no way to know whether He ever addressed abortion or not. We should also remember that there is no record of Jesus ever speaking out against slavery - a point which apologists for slavery routinely made. In fact, most of our laws relate to behaviors which neither Jesus nor the Bible specifically addressed.
Lol, In fact there is NO record of your “Jesus.” Aside from the gospel’s authors, none what-so-ever.
Isnt it a commandment? Thou shalt not kill?
@@lucienskye5274 That is a lie, look at flavius joseph an historian, or Tacite, or even its enemis, the jews talk it in the talmud. it's existence is the least contested things among academics. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jesus
Keep in mind that God also performed abortions in the Old Testament which points to rather murky waters yet again on the biblical stance.
@@tikayscake2416 The ancient alliance was not perfected. It was a human alliance, and men did what he could to repent, to sacrifice to God, but thoses things were not perfect and could not be enough, but it was in preparation for the comming of Christ to understand him.
Now it is considered like a murder.
Ephesians 6, 5-8 states that slavery is okay. Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11 also state that mixing two types of fabric is a sin. Don’t claim to be a man of god if you do not follow all of the rules he has written.
Slavery then was not at all like the slavery we saw in America. It actually refers to someone being in debt. So if you have ever had a car loan or a mortgage and made payments, that is more like what the Bible refers to when it talks about slavery. Owing someone and having to pay it off was called being in slavery at the time. Also, you sighted Ephesians 6:5-8 and said that it states slavery is okay. That's not what is says. It addresses slaves and tells them the proper way to act. In Ephesians 6:9 it tells masters to treat slaves kindly and reminds them that there is no favoritism in Heaven. So the passage is saying that slaves (remember it means those in debt to someone else) and masters (the people who are owed money/work) are to treat each other with kindness and respect and that they have equal importance in the eyes of God.
As far as the verses on mixing two types of fabric, that is not a moral law. It was a rule given for those people at that specific time. It has a lot more to do with the culture at the time. Mixing the two types of fabric (linen & wool) was reserved for something holy. God told the people that only the high priest could do this as a way to remind the people of God's holiness. There are other strange rules like this in the Old Testament that seem really out there unless you understand the historical and cultural significance of what God is saying. This rule (like many others) also helped to set the followers of God apart from other people near them who were worshiping false gods.
It is really important to read the Bible all together and put verses in context with each other and historically so that you can see the big picture. Just looking at one verse at a time, things can seem confusing or even contradictory but when you see it all together, it makes sense. It really is a beautiful thing!
That's why Jesus came to fulfill the commandments and the law.
God said he hated Esau even in the womb. This means, therefore, that not all life is precious.
The guy tries to twist the passage pertaining to the miscarriage. And he uses one of the most corrupt bible translations in an effort to make his case.
The passage clearly says there is only a monetary value placed on the act of causing a miscarriage resulting in the death of the soon to be child. And the eye for an eye and death for a death only applies if there is serious injury to the woman. So the fetus is treated as property rather than being a human being. And this is because life was deemed to begin when the child took his first breath and NOT when he/she was conceived.
But this guy neglects another important passage that deals with women that conceive through and out of sexual sin. For a woman suspected of adultery that becomes pregnant is forced to drink bitter water. And is the child was conceived from sexual sin, the bitter water would result in a miscarriage.
So no. The bible is not against abortions when sexual sin results in a pregnancy.
talk about get it all arse up
“Image of God bearing person” to be made in his image means we are made capable of having an understanding of our creator....
We are made in God’s image but still inferior to Him. We will never fully understand Him, Scripture confirms this
Does an innocent baby [or pre-baby] get a free ride into heaven, an eternal life? If so, then any anti-abortion argument is moot.
That don't make sense. If that were true it would make murder ok after a person accepts Christ with the idea oh well that person is going to heaven.
Who cares, "God" thinks abortions have their place:
Numbers 5
11 Then the LORD said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure-or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure- 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.
16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”- 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse-“may the LORD cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”
Babies go straight to heaven. But just because they go to heaven doesn’t mean they deserve to die.
@@NWPlayzTv yeah and anyone who kills them will surfer
@@Thesortvokter pregnancy isn't even mentioned nor is abortion in numbers 5 ..people try to use this passage because someone told them to quote it... which shows just how much people follow each other amongst atheists
Needed this for my homework
same lmfao
Bea Jim good one
Y for same
Yikes.
@@Ylemonade huh.
Read The Bible we need Jesus.
Others have already mentioned in Numbers 5, but what I find interesting is that this channel is, seemingly, Zondervan, which is the publisher of the NIV, which is the only translation that uses the English word 'miscarriage' in Numbers 5.
The only thing i need to know what the Bible teaches about abortion is contained solely in the commandment not to murder. Simple
100%... thats the end of the debate right there.... of course they try and claim life starts at breath while ridiculously adding a verse about Adam who was not born. this is how much they stretch the truth to try and prove a case... they cherry pick anything they can that fits their want for evil
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.” (Jer 1:5)
I don't give a damn what your Bible says; many of us are not Christians and you don't have the right to push your religion on the rest of us.
I have always struggled with one issue, I don't think Germans in 1940 were devoid of basic morality. I used to think maybe the population at large didn't know that thousands of Jews were being gassed and cremated. I refused to accept that the Germans knew what was going on, but chose to keep quiet. Now I don't ask myself those questions anymore. I am witnessing what humans are capable of, millions of innocents are being killed, some of us conveniently do the bare minimum to fight it, others don't care one way or the other and the rest are actively pushing it for whatever reason. I read a comment last year, posted by a Muslim under a video about the most recent conflict between Israel and Palestine, and it read, " too bad the N4zis didn't finish their job". Many of us choose comfort in the face of pure evil, and we call ourselves Christians. Dems don't hide where they stand regarding abortion, yet millions of self-identified Christians gladly gave them their seal of approval by their votes. I wonder how many German Jews voted HltLer in power.
Per Germans and the Holocaust, here are a couple of points to consider; 1) anti-Semitism has very deep roots in Europe. Not all Germans were as anti-Semitic as Nazi Party members, but most chose to look the other way when it came to Hitler's virulent anti-Semitism rife in his speeches early on, perhaps due in part to their own subtle anti-Semitic views. This segues to the next point 2) As was the case with the rise of the Third Reich, the Holocaust was incremental - Jews weren't deported to death camps from day one. What satan himself did right through Hitler early on was to essentially stoke and manipulate the Germans people's lower, baser instincts of German pride as well as grievance & bitterness over the crushing aftermath of WW1 and the fear that the terrible economic hardships would happen again. The way he legitimized his warped hate filled ideology was to infuse a lot of false promises and false hope replete with an "us against the world" mentality, bolstered by copying FDR's New Deal Socialist policies; i.e. it's one thing to crow on and on about what caused the crushing fall of Germany post WW1 but Hitler essentially bought German loyalty by all of the smoke and mirrors socialist programs he implemented. Problem was, Germans never stopped to consider the ramifications of who was going to pay for all of it as German inflation began spiraling out of control in the mid to late 1930's nor where all of this Nazi ideology was leading to. This segues to the next point 3) Hitler most certainly had a strategy for how to pay for all of it and many other diabolical plans which is why he frequently prattled on about "Lebensaum" as one of his many warped and twisted racially based justifications for war. By the time you get to 1935, your avg German's economic situation was so improved they were all too willing to swallow the Nazi propaganda they were being fed - despite the extremely troubling despotic and totalitarian policies and police state actions of the Gestapo which segues to perhaps the most important point of all 4) at one point in the 1930's Hitler began murdering institutionalized Germans with severe mental disabilities and deformities. There was such a HUGE outcry by the German people against this that the Nazis backed off of their Margaret Sanger inspired Eugenics genocide for a while. But when it came to the persecution of German Jews, Germans were silent. The question is, why didn't ethnic Germans band together in mass numbers against the persecution of Jews the same way they did the other? Protestant Pastor Martin Niemöller summed it up this way;
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out- because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
I refuse to accept that Germans didn't know about the Nazis' hatred of Jews. On 'Kristallnacht' 7 November 1938 Goebbels encouraged the SA and others to burn down synagogues (191 in total), destroy Jewish businesses (815 shops destroyed) & violently attack Jews (76 killed). It was also important because for the first time Jews were put into concentration camps because of their race. On November 12, 1938 The Decree on the Exclusion of Jews from German Economic Life came into force. It closed all Jewish-owned businesses in Germany. All of Germany's Jews were ordered to pay a collective fine of 1 billion Reichsmarks for the murder of Ernst vom Rath. The Nazis were steadily and methodically working their way to Hitler's ""Final Solution to the Jewish Question" ("Endlösung der Judenfrage"), the deliberate and systematic mass murder of European Jews. It was the last stage of the Holocaust and took place from 1941 to 1945.
@@tonymercer7759Per what I said in my comment, the fact that millions of Germans succeeded in shutting down the Nazi's eugenics programs earlier on for a time via vehement protest, but did nothing about the Nazi persecution of Jews is damning. It incriminates their complicity in looking the other way as Jews were ruthlessly persecuted.
Numbers chapter 5 priest can cast a curse causing women to have a miscarriage. God doesn’t care about abortion
Numbers 5:11-31
The Adultery Test
11 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them, ‘If any man’s wife goes astray (deviates) and is unfaithful to him, 13 and a man is intimate with her, and it is hidden from the eyes of her husband and it is kept secret, although she has defiled herself, and there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act, 14 and if a spirit (sense, attitude) of jealousy comes over him and he is jealous and angry at his wife who has defiled herself-or if a spirit of jealousy comes over him and he is jealous of his wife when she has not defiled herself- 15 then the man shall bring his wife to the priest, and he shall bring as an offering for her, a tenth of an ephah of barley meal; he shall not pour oil on it nor put frankincense on it [the symbols of favor and joy], because it is a grain offering of jealousy, a memorial grain offering, a reminder of [the consequences of] wickedness.
16 ‘Then the priest shall have her approach and have her stand before the Lord, 17 and the priest shall take holy water [from the sacred basin] in an earthenware vessel; and he shall take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it in the water. 18 The priest shall then have the woman stand before the Lord, and let the hair of the woman’s head hang loose, and put the memorial grain offering in her hands, which is the jealousy offering, and in the hand of the priest is to be the water of bitterness that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall have her take an oath and say to the woman, “If no man has lain with you and if you have not gone astray into uncleanness [while married], then be immune to this water of bitterness that brings a curse; 20 but if you have gone astray [while married] and you have defiled yourself and a man other than your husband has been intimate with you” 21 (then the priest shall have the woman swear the oath of the curse, and say to the woman), “The Lord make you a curse and an oath among your people when the Lord makes your thigh [a]waste away and your abdomen swell; 22 and this water that brings a curse shall go into your stomach, and make your abdomen swell and your thigh waste away.” And the woman shall say, “Amen. Amen (so let it be).”
23 ‘The priest shall then write these curses on a scroll and shall wash them off into the water of bitterness; 24 and he shall make the woman drink the water of bitterness that brings a curse, and the water that brings the curse will go into her and cause bitterness. 25 Then the priest shall take the grain offering of jealousy out of the woman’s hand, and he shall wave the grain offering before the Lord and offer it on the altar. 26 Then the priest shall take a handful of the grain offering as the memorial portion of it and offer it up in smoke on the altar, and afterward he shall make the woman drink the water. 27 When he has made her drink the water, then it shall come about, that if she has defiled herself and has been unfaithful to her husband, the curse water will go into her and cause bitterness and cause her abdomen to swell and her thigh to waste away, and the woman will become a curse among her people. 28 But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she will be free and conceive children.
29 ‘This is the law of jealousy: when a wife goes astray [while married] and defiles herself, 30 or when a spirit (sense, attitude) of jealousy and suspicion comes on a man and he is jealous of his wife; then he shall have the woman stand before the Lord, and the priest shall apply this law to her. 31 Further, the husband will be free from guilt, but that woman [if guilty] shall bear her guilt.’”
Brennen Lesser facts
And is this condoning abortion, or instead a form of punishment?
@@Bill_G Seems like it's punishment for a suspicious husband. I don't consider everything in The Bible inspired or pure word of God. If this actually happened 100% of the people would get sick. It's either that or some form of Jewish magic
I'm just pointing out christians seem to think they know what The Bible says about abortion when preece were administering abortions via Jewish drink magic
@@TurboFog it does say that nothing will happen if they were innocent. Abortion is intended to be 100% successful by human hands. this is more of a judgment. Like drawing lots for land division or consulting the Urim/Thummim for guidance. It was a way for them to invite God to intervene in matters in a way that they humanly couldn't. The woman was drinking a mix of ink water and dust which i would be surprised if it would cause abortion 100%(like abortion drugs). I couldn't imagine its healthy for you to do normally, but i doubt you would die from it 100%. If God caused the miscarriage then God gives and God takes as it says, If nothing happens then they considered it ok and her child must be legitimate. They couldn't do paternity tests otherwise. Not like you could check call logs or see who's texting who at night to confirm cheating back then.
Other than Jeremiah 1:5 There’s no “abortion verse” or “fetus verse” in the Bible.
Numbers 5 verses 19 through 22:
Then the priest shall make her take an oath, saying, “If no man has lain with you, if you have not turned aside to uncleanness while under your husband’s authority, be immune to this water of bitterness that brings the curse. But if you have gone astray while under your husband’s authority, if you have defiled yourself and some man other than your husband has had intercourse with you,” -let the priest make the woman take the oath of the curse and say to the woman-“the Lord make you an execration and an oath among your people, when the Lord makes your uterus drop, your womb discharge; now may this water that brings the curse enter your bowels and make your womb discharge, your uterus drop!” And the woman shall say, “Amen. Amen.”
This is the Bible. Not only mentioning how to perform an abortion but ordering that an ordained priest iss needed to perform it.
@Greed23. You are ignorant of the Hebrew of Numbers 5, and reading into the text what is not there, which is called eisegesis. Do some research and stop spreading disinformation: ruclips.net/video/JaYHTnPFuC0/видео.html&ab_channel=CRoadwarrior
I am still conflicted about when the ensoulment of a person occurs but I ABSOLUTELY believe its cruel to terminate a pregnancy with a fully developed heartbeat and brain.
I have always believed that the life of the flesh is in the blood. The heart is what pumps the blood and the brain is fuelled by the blood.
I stand to be corrected, though.
P. S: I don't advocate for abortion but I will not bash anyone remorseful who has had one.
Life obviously starts at conception
@@oztuber2 the soul is automatic as the conception starts as God already has His plans for us before He forms us.
We are already projects before we are even conceived.
@@patman_for_sure So we are agreeing i think...
no life should be aborted from conception.. let go it will become an old person one day, from the time of conception.... cutting that life off from the second after conception is murder... The only exception i believe is if the mother will die from giving birth.
@@oztuber2 I'm saying that even before conception, we have value
This is so good, I want to show this video to my youth group.
RC17 its a fucking fairytale
@@imalonelycow6475 you're fucking immoral!
Everyone needs to know what God things about Abortion. Gods word is very clear.
Amen what a great idea
@Greg Jacques Lucifer's Jizz Gargler Praying for you we need more Christians and Christian values in the world today. The world is falling more and more into darkness because they are rejecting Jesus Christ and not spending time in their bibles.
Not Christian myself but I am very glad that Christian values persist in my great country to this day. Please take the effort to let it prevail so the fight for life can be won in future times.
You are beneath the laws of the United States of America. We Christians you "see" are the weakest of the lot.
Elam. Elam. Elam.
but it’s her choice not anyone else’s. If don’t want to have a baby i’m going to have an abortion.
Oh and by the way if your not mature enough to have a child then don't have sex, or at least use protection
I’m having trouble agreeing with this and I’m Christian and I was just baptized… I genuinely did not get an answer from this.
If I’m married and my husband raped me, and I get pregnant, I’m supposed to keep the baby of a rapist husband?
If a husband and wife have sex and the condom breaks, and they both are not ready for parenthood, are they supposed to keep the baby?
If a wife gets pregnant, and the doctors tell her that only there’s a 99.99% chance her and the baby will die if she carries full term, is she supposed to take that 1% chance? And if she does, she dies and now the husband is alone.
Call me a fake Christian but I am more than entitled to ask questions. This journey is too hard. How am I supposed to just be okay with this?
A little girl at church is raped by a pedophile and she ends up pregnant, is that a miracle? Are we supposed to be happy for her that she was chosen by a pedophile to carry life?
No. I’m sorry but even as a Christian, I can’t get on board with this topic.
Pro-Christ ✝️ Pro-Family 👨👩👧👦 Pro-Choice ♀️
@Paul Morgan Your statistics seem very wrong. Check your sources. Also abortion isn't exactly a "problem" to everyone, only you and other white conservatives.
How many of your children are you planning to kill?
@@spacexsnipes Im not white and I’m against abortion.
God is the giver of life and life begins at conception
@John I'd feel glad to be Alive!p
I love it when everything is "so clearly says", if you look at Exodus 21:21-25.. you know eye for an eye etc...where this guys picks up about the death of the unborn..... its all about good christian values, you know on how to sell your daughter into slavery, but mainly about the rules of slavery and outlines of punishments. So clearly you can say that the Bible has made a ruling about abortion when two guys have a fight over a pregnant slave who has she has a miscarriage. you can cherry pick all you want, but the Bible make no ruling on abortion
It's all about taking womens' rights away from them.
@@iainpattison903 true, but my point is, most people haven't got a clue what is in the Bible, they trust people who claim to have studied it. The smallest point is used from the large content and twisted the message for their own purpose. Some Christians they are???
@@iainpattison903 Do you really think that’s why Christian’s are against abortion…really??? It’s cuz they see the baby as a life too, that’s all.
@@youngknowledgeseeker god never cared about the fruit of the womb
Only part you forget is the Bible actually has god permitted abortion in it in the book of numbers, basically if the husband accuses his wife of cheating he can have her undergo a ceremony with magic abortion water and if she cheated the fetus dies.
The only other reference to it is if 2 men are fighting and one man strikes a pregnant wife and if the fetus dies it’s simply a finable offense (not clearly considered fully human)
My mom could have aborted me, but she loved me. And now I have a beautiful life that god gifted me and my mother helped❤️
Mother Mary's pregnancy IS unlike any other pregnancy, as you said. Another commonly sited scripture is Jeremiah chapter 1 verse 5 where God speaks to Jeremiah about how He formed him in the womb. God was speaking specifically to Jeremiah, so it's kind of a stretch to assume that He's referring to every single fetus. If God is talking about every fetus, then how could you explain the abortions and literal baby murder that's in the Bible? God condoned it, and even did it Himself. He even flooded the entire Earth one time, and I guarantee it there were literal babies and pregnant women in existence at the time. Either God is a hypocrite, or He endorses abortion and baby killing. I also find it interesting how many supposed Christians are all about the 10 commandments, specifically the "thou shall not kill" one when it comes to abortion, yet they endorse the death penalty. It's almost like they only apply the Bible when it's convenient to them.
If you do not study the context of the Bible and the original languages, it can be very confusing and even appear to be contradictory. The Bible does not contradict itself, however. You said, "Either God is a hypocrite, or He endorses abortion and baby killing". I would argue that neither of those statements are correct nor are they the only options. God's moral code for humanity (the 10 Commandments) is to help us to be more like him. The commandment was translated into English as "thou shall not kill" at a time when kill was the only word used in the English language. Our language has adapted and because of the way our language has shifted, "thou shall not murder" would be a more accurate translation. That would permit things like the death penalty (which was already a part of their law) or killing in war but not the murder of innocents.
There are some passages in the Bible that are hard to digest. Seeing how God flooded the Earth and thinking of everyone who died can be overwhelming! Something to remember is that we are all sinners. God is the only sinless one. He is holy! We all deserve the death penalty because of our sins and sinful nature but he has mercy on us by letting us have eternal life through Jesus Christ.
@@TheSaundersPack Murder and kill are exactly the same thing. How are they different as you say here? I'd really like to know.
@@andrewvernon4664 On the most basic level we can see how the definitions are different.
Kill is defined as "to cause the death of a person or animal or other living thing"
Murder is defined as "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another"
Scripture shows us times when God instructed killing but never murder. Killing is seen in the Bible through the death penalty coded in the Old Testament laws, killings in war time, and burnt sacrifices of animals. Some of this can be hard to take in but it is not the same as murder. God does not command murder, he commands against it.
@@TheSaundersPack I'm not sure what other context murder and kill can be taken. They're synonyms.
@@andrewvernon4664 I admire your attempt to enlighten right-wing 'Christian' hypocrites. I fear it is not possible.
The angel tells Joseph not to put off Mary as she is pregnant with the child of God. Mary may've given explanation but the angel of God spoke to Joseph. Amen
Not surprisingly, he left out the only clear reference to abortion in the Bible - Numbers 5. It clearly outlines the husband's right to force his wife to have an abortion if he suspect she was cheating on him, probably since a bastard may not enter the assembly of god, even to the tenth generation (Deuteronomy 23:2). That was my problem; my great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was a bastard in the late 1700's, so I'm screwed.
Youre not alone, there are multimillions of us bastards out there, thanks to slavery and masters who had no control over their penises and many pretty young slave girls to choose from instead of wives who always seemed to have headaches when he wanted it.
And of course riches and poverty always fit into the game as well. I think most of us should not be here but we are. You think we are headed for the lake of Fire?
Only great Biblical ignorance would argue Numbers 5 is about abortion. In context, the text is about attempting to discern if a woman is faithful or not. It has nothing to do with forcing a wife to have an abortion. The passage is speaking of signs to indicate if the woman has been faithful or not. If she hasn't been, then one of the signs would be a miscarriage. I really tire of people butchering Bible texts in order make up arguments against the pro-life position instead of trying to understand what's being said.
@@CRoadwarrior Indeed , it has nothing to do with abortion .
@@yvonnecamacho9773 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee.
The children that are begotten of them shall enter into the congregation of the LORD in their third generation.
DO YOU MEET THE LORD THIS WAY ? DO YOU CURSE THEE ? HE WHO EXCEPTS JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND SAVIOR BECOMES OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND PART OF THE FAMILY TREE OF LIFE .
@@CRoadwarrior It still condones abortion, the accused could be at any stage of their pregnancy, Joshua was told to kill the pregnant women babies infants children kill them all,
People on tiktok are not afraid doing abortion oh God help there soul to find you
Yes they need Jesus
The days of Noah are here.
that's why im afraid to say anything abt abortion to them
He says Six to 8 weeks before a woman even knows she’s pregnant, that’s pretty much discards the Texas abortion law. The rest of what he says is completely malarkey.
The Bible also says that a fetus is not a living human child until it comes out of the womb.
I know it's wrong according to the Bible and I also believe it's not a issue that we as Christians can or should force on a person because by doing that we are demanding everyone to abide by the word of God. When we force this by fear of punishment we become wrong at this point
Mary and Elizabeth were cousins weren't they?
Robin Sullivan they were relatives, bible does not state specifically
Luke 1:36 KJV
And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
I thought I had read that they were cousins. Thank you.
It depends on which bible you read. It’s all fake bs
Niccole A if one says relative and another says cousin that is not at all a contradiction.
If I believed in the Bronze Age myth, I would think that aborted babies were lucky, having an express ticket to heaven.
Have you considered real babies, not able to defend themselves undergoing events to remove them from this world for no fault of thier own? The child had no say in the physical act but yet is the one the pays with their life. Is this fair?
@@mrj7066. As an atheist I think the whole subject of abortion is very sad. I think it's terrible for any human, who does not get their three score and ten. Life to me is precious, because I don't believe there is anything afterwards. I don't understand the biblical stance, if people really believe in heaven, then the sooner you get there the better. And why cry at funerals.
@@Behyelzebub
It's more than get there sooner it's seeing how precious life is, what these babies could've become and the view that some hold that they're less important because they're unaware of this miracle. If we apply the get their sooner it further legitimises and even encourages more abortion which is not of God. It can be quite difficult to understand the biblical point taking into context the old testament but even this has a context that all should explore to fully see why things were different for early Israel. Thank you for your response friend. Food for thought. Thank you
@@mrj7066 Cheers
@@mrj7066 and what of even more real babies - the children who are forcibly raised christian, who otherwise would have been brilliant scientists or other pioneers of human progression - and instead sit idle waiting for god? we should consider the quality of life - just life alone puts everyone (good and bad) in the same useless category.
Could this guy be more of a liar and manipulater? As a pro-choice person I thought “ok let me hear what he has to say” and 21 seconds in I stopped watching. The bible does not say “thou shall not kill innocent human being”. It says very clearly “thou shall not kill”. By lying about something like this he diminishes his case and his reputation, in my opinion. Because Christians are not allowed to lie and here he is lying to set this video up in a way to his advantage.
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The Bible does say quite emphatically the children who disrespect their parents are to be killed. Odd that we don't see Christians demonstrating to make that the law of the land.
what are you talking about.... and what does that have to do with abortion
Where in the holy Bible is it described that embryo has a spirit and is considered as whole person? And aborting embryo is also sin.
Proverbs 6:17 tells us that shedding innocent blood is an abomination to God. An unborn baby is the most innocent blood there is.
As Tom Macdonald says it " Bacteria is life on Mars but a heart beat isn't life on earth... WEIRD"
Bacteria is incomparable to a fetus. Plus, most abortions occur before a fetus fully develops a heart.
@@vladimirlenin9010 your right, a fetus is way more precious, and "most abortions" is not all. The heart is first functional at 4 weeks and that is not when most abortions happen.
@@ellenreeve2547 i would actually disagree. Bacteria is definitely more important than that of a fetus. Arguably more important than human life. Let me elucidate my argument when it comes to the second point you portrayed, i specifically utilized the term “fully developed” to convey that a fetus isn’t like you or me. It lacks personhood and is a basic level of human life. I don’t think it should be held to the same standard. Obviously it reaches a point of person hood at some point. When everything is fully developed and not at such a minuscule level. Emulates some of the factors we consider person-like.
@@vladimirlenin9010 understood your Key words, "I don't think..."
Pregnancy is a miracle and a beautiful blessing from God. How can anyone take an innocent life?
I assume you don't kill animals or bacterias or anything. Or is it that other life than human life is not innocent and part of gods creation?
What about the woman? Guess that is not a human life to care about. Or all the children god kills through miscarriages. I guess those human lives didn't mean fuck all to god. lol The "blessings" this supposed god give parents of not being able to have children? The blessing of god that a woman get pregnant and then he kills it?
But I guess it's the traditional useless god that also looks away when children are being raped by priests. And answering prayers when women are being raped is too much of an effort for him. But damn her if she gets the " miraculous blessing of god" when being raped. I wonder how anyone can pray to a psycho sadist like that. He can kill hundreds of innocent people all over the world it's fine. But if a woman want to do an abortion then jesus fucking christ it's outrageous. lol If your gods actions or lack of it would be done by a human you would call that person a monster for just ignoring children being raped in their own house etc. But when your god does it you praise him?? You're praying to a sadistic psycho.
Christian/muslim and other religious so called "morals" are so fucked up there's no end of the idiotic things you can justify with it.
@@sharatainx3990 Such arrogance , but what's worse is your ignorance . Go educate yourself first before replying to one of God's children . Learn what free will is , educate yourself on what God meant when he said I KNEW YOU BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THIS WORLD . Ask yourself why you would prefer 80 years (Maybe) in these coruptable flesh bodies over eternal life in a much more perfect immortal body . Learn yourself about the great rebellion before your dumbass offends God while attacking his children . By the way Dumbass is in the bible , it means stupid mule .
@@trip577 Oh, the typical arrogance/ignorance comment.
In what way am I arrogant? I ask questions to a person about other life, and I laugh because it's so bloody arbitrarily and nonsensically decided by religious people and their supposed god. I question how people so willingly worship a being with dubious morals. Where am I attacking the person I'm writing to?
I'm attacking the ideas and the arguments and what the person said. That is not attacking the person. I don't know why it's so damn hard for some people to differ between a topic/matter/idea at hand being discussed and a person.
I don't think or say I know more than others or that I'm superior to the person I was writing to. So again how am I arrogant?
You're the one that think you know more than me since you tell me to go educate myself, this without knowing anything about me or what knowledge i have that puts me in this position. So speaking of arrogance, maybe you should take a good look at yourself first? I think you know that's in the bible aswell.
But as usual a lot of religious people really struggle living by the crap they try to throw at others.
As far as the ignorance goes, like I said you don't know anything about me. You just spew out insults and attack me as a person calling me a dumbass and ignorant insted of addressing what I wrote with arguments. Hilarious.
And if I was to inform you how knowledge about religions are part of my education or that I've been a christian and that I know my bible it wouldn't matter to you anyway. As a matter of fact the very in depth studying and reasoning concerning christianity and other religions is what made me stop believing in it. Because you'll just come up with some shit like I wasn't really a christian (as if you're the judge of that) or that I'm lying, or some other lame excuse insted of just accepting the fact that there are non-believers that are just as knowledgeable on religions and still doesn't believe in it for perfectly sound reasons. I'm not less informed just because I don't worship your god.
Oh, and believe me I have asked myself that questions of eternal life vs one finite life here and now many times. I definitely prefer my stance because EVEN IF the god of the bible would be real I'm not selling myself cheap to a sadistic psycho just because he offers me an eternal life. I'm not the type of person that bends over because some supposed god threatens me to submission. And no that is not arrogance, that's having some dignity and moral integrity. Unlike the god of the bible that supposedly got the power but just can't be bothered with helping children being raped for example. If I had the power to stop a rapist I would, unlike your god. I wouldn't just watch and wait until it's over with before I take actions. I also wouldn't have a bunch of kids killed for being rude to a man. That god really got anger management issues of biblical proportions. lol
If we hold human beings to a higher standard than a god you got to admit it's something really fucked up with worshipping that god. And why worshipping or cheer for someone with a fucked up moral compass? You wouldn't think it's ok for the police or a human father to watch a crime happen to a citizen or to their child and just stand around waiting while the person begs for help while they are fully capable of stopping it.
Free will of humans is a lousy scapegoat (since you seem to like pointing out words in the bible, there's another one) for not taking responsability and having some backbone as a superior being.
But this whole bs about an eternal life. There's a whole lot of other supposed gods claiming the same crap and no evidence that show any of it is real. I'm not the kind of person that likes blind faith, it's a waste of my time and energy. I have more pressing issues to deal with in my life than to walk around worrying that I an action might or might not anger a morally corrupt skydad. I rather live and cherish the life I know I have than to dream of an afterlife we got no proof of. Quite simple.
@Strawberries Blueberries - how can anyone take an innocent life? you mean like god killing all those people in the great flood? all those innocent children, toddlers, infants, fetuses, and clusters of cells you hold so sacred... shame on you and your murderous hero.
@@sharatainx3990 And another thing , God knows when and where he puts a pure of heart soul in an embryo , DO YOU , you see it is written that a soul has to pass through the womb of women before they can inter into the kingdom of God . All those that refused in the first world age are locked in chains waiting to be released
Also while I am at it sex change surgeery is not allowed///and cause fro disowning one///23 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord
Why tho? like literally why do you care if someone wants a dick or not
JESUS SAVES but no mention of having one sewn on. He missed that one!
God knew before hand...
I was wondering how pro lifers would react to the choice of a love one in a vegetable-state on life support. You could pull the plug so that they will not suffer anymore and rest with God but at they same time you are killing an innocent. Where do we make exceptions?
I Have met Beautiful Young Lady's in Psychiatric words over an over !!! And i would ask them why they were in there ??? TODAY MY ABORTED CHILD WOULD BE A YEAR OLD !!! OR 2 OR 3 OR 5 !!! AND THEY WANT TO KILL THERESELFS BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE .
Let's look at the facts here: 1) Ever since people have been getting pregnant who didn't want to be in that condition, abortion has been a thing - even primitive cultures very often use herbs and potions to induce miscarriages. Therefore, abortion must have been practiced in Biblical times. 2) Despite the fact that abortion must have been something known about by the ancient Hebrews, the Scriptures are COMPLETELY SILENT about the practice: not a single passage anywhere in the Jewish or Christian holy books, addresses the practice or procedure of abortion. One would think that something like this, which God of course knew would become a major issue in His church, would have been something that He would have made CERTAIN was included in the only faithful witness to His will and what He considers to be important for us to know.... but there is instead, not a word nor a peep about the topic. 3) Only one place in the scriptures hints at the value of a potential human life (i say potential, because Biblically speaking, humans don't become a "living soul" : Genesis 2:7, He ‘breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being. ["soul" in some translations". until they are given the breath of life.. so fetuses are not fully human, they only have the potential to become so, when God breathes life into them for the first time).. at any rate, the only time premature termination of pregnancy is addressed in the Scriptures, is in Exodus 21: 22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, ***so that her fruit depart from her** [ie, she loses her baby], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.... this is considered a PROPERTY CRIME - not at all considered an accidental murder or manslaughter. The fetus is simply considered to be property - the punishment is a simple fine, the amount being determined by the husband and the courts. The wife, on the other hand, is considered fully human - if any harm comes to her, the punishment is "stripe for stripe, burning for burning" (and no, this passage can't be applied to the fetus: how are you going to burn the unborn in their mother's womb?? Also, fetuses do NOT have teeth ("tooth for tooth")). 4) The only other place where the termination of a pregnancy is mentioned is in Numbers 5, where an elaborate ritual is described which is supposed to determine whether or not a pregnancy is the result of adultery. If the husband suspects his wife has been unfaithful, then he brings her to a priest, who gives her a VERY nasty potion called "the bitter water which brings a curse", which if she is guilty, will cause her intense suffering ( 24 "He is to have the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and it will enter her and cause her bitter suffering")., so that her belly swells up and her "thigh" (which most Jewish scholars agree is a euphemism for a fetus.. this is a fact) will shrivel up - in other words she will lose the baby. If she is innocent, and the baby is the husband's, she will suffer no further harm than the initial suffering, after another potion is given to her... and she will be able to have further children (implying that if she is guilty she won't be able to have any more children, since otherwise why would such a detail be mentioned?).( 28 But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, she will be unaffected and able to conceive children.) // This passage makes it ABUNDANTLY clear that God does not, except in special cases such as John the Baptist, Jesus, Jeremiah and some others whom God has decided to send forth on special missions for Himself, view a fetus as a person - if He did, he would not have made into law, a ritual to test for adultery which could result in the death of the resulting fetus (and yes, i realize that the passage doesn't explicitly say that the woman would be pregnant in ALL cases, but most certainly she would be pregnant in SOME of the cases - and the mother's womb and not the fetus itself, may be the "thigh" referred to.... recall that the only 2 effects of the poison on guilty wives were 1) to cause the woman's belly to swell up, and 2) to cause her "thigh" to waste away - and that innocent women would not suffer these consequences, and would be able to bear children in the future. and 5) In censuses of Israel, children younger than a month old weren't even counted - perhaps because of very high infant mortality at the time (Numbers 3: 39).
In summary, except in special cases where God prepares a person for a very special mission such as being a prophet, a fetus is NOT considered to be a "person", but simply an item of property. Unborn babies miscarried because of fights were not considered to have been "murdered", and in the case where a woman is guilty of adultery, if she is pregnant, the fetus is most certainly not considered a person, since it can be killed as a result of the poisoned water adultery test.
It's not about if the baby in the womb is a "person" or not, which I believe it is. Its about the fact that, in nine months from conception, that "fetus" will be a human. Doesnt matter what it is now. Now, I believe that it is a human life from the very first day of conception. So, murder is still being committed because those "fetus" are never able to become what God meant for them to become. And, if we are all fetus from conception, what stops every human from being killed before birth. And if we are not able to create a solid line between killing a "fetus" inside the womb and killing fetus that is more developed outside the womb, what stops murder?
The Exodus passage is debated, you know that I’m sure. It’s not a clear cut case. But one of its possible meanings is what your thinking yes. Literally 4 different versions I checked showed this (NET, NASB, ESV, AMP). I don’t know why you were so sure this passage must refer to abortion when scholars themselves are unsure and understand that it may be referring to premature birth, not the death of the baby.
The numbers one is very interesting though indeed. I hadn’t thought of it as relating to pregnancy. And yes it is something to consider that abortion is not really addressed in scripture (unless I’m mistaken). However I myself would not feel comfortable speaking for God either way, whether for or against abortion. I do know that I’m deeply thankful I wasn’t aborted and as you said, imagine if Jesus was aborted!
There are several flaws with your claims.
1. Just because something was practiced in Biblical times doesn’t mean it was okay. Lots of things are mentioned in the Bible that God hates! We see God despise several evil actions people were taking and undoubtedly not every sin taking place was mentioned.
2. There are many things that weren’t specifically named in Scripture but we can still understand God’s will in looking at the Bible as a whole and listening to the principles he has established.
3. Scripture mentions the value of human life (including preborn children) sprinkled throughout the Bible “you knit me together in my mother’s womb”, etc. Life begins at conception and the Scripture supports this. The verse in Genesis you mentioned is talking about the creation of Adam, the first man. Of course he wasn’t born in a traditional sense because he was the first human!
4. Regarding Exodus 21, the fact that there is punishment for causing a woman to lose her preborn child shows the preborn child’s value! In that time children of all ages were considered property as well so there is no distinction there. As far as a fetus not being counted as a person because they don’t have teeth - that is a comical conclusion, absolutely a stretch! What the words are describing (burning for burning, tooth for tooth, eye for eye) is equal consequences.
5. About Numbers 5, not sure of your sources but to say most Jewish scholars agree that thigh is a euphemism for fetus is simply incorrect. This is a highly debated topic. There are only 2 translations of the Bible that say a miscarriage occurs and there is quite a bit of evidence that suggests that is an inaccurate interpretation. This law is actually very merciful! The punishment for adultery was death. If a man suspected his wife of cheating on him, he may choose kill her. This was a way of God stepping in the middle and saving the woman from death. Also, the fact that not every accused (and even guilty) woman would be pregnant shows a hole in that interpretation. The text doesn’t say if she is guilty and pregnant she will face consequences, just if she is guilty. Another interpretation of the text (that I believe is true) is that she would come down with a sickness (and some Jewish scholars suggests that the male accomplice in the adulterous act would as well) that would be visible to the priest as well as suffering from infertility from then on. Even if by some stretch the miscarriage interpretation is correct, that in no way justifies abortion. That is saying that God’s righteous judgement on a situation is no different from a human’s selfish desire
6. Yes, children under a month old weren’t counted in a census likely due to high infant mortality rates. That in no way takes away from their personhood or justifies abortion so I’m not sure why you even mentioned it.
7. Fetuses are people in God’s eyes. We see their value throughout Scripture. When you look at the Bible as a whole instead of cherry picking verses, it makes a lot more sense.
8. Even if you completely disregard Scripture and come at this issue from an Atheist’s point of view, abortion is wrong and claiming that a fetus is not a person is illogical
A fetus IS a living soul. Your feelings are not fact.. Adam was created not born. You can't compare the first created human to any born humans. That is deliberate dishonesty.. a soul is a living creature a fetus is living from conception..at 6 weeks even a heartbeat is detected . 6weeks there is no breath, so you are suggesting a heart can beat without life making it beat.. breath of life is simply gods power to a body to make it alive ..in Adams obvious first instance of human life he was created adult to procreate but everyone else gets that power of life at conception obviously. That is why when we die that breath of life goes back to God and why it said Jesus's gave up the spirit .. that same thing that was put into Adam at creation and us a conception, leaves us at death. Like unplugging the tv
There really were no pre mature children back then. I’m sure a few rare cases. But for the most part they died… so that could go either way as well… but mostly in one direction lol. And if I was aborted id never know. And no one would know me.. it’s like the whole “if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there does it still make a sound?”
Yeah right... this guy doesn't know what he is talking about.
Psalm 137:9
"Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!"
That is not saying that hurting children or aborting them is okay. That is a person wanting to take revenge
He knew us from the womb......so yes an unborn child is a life.
So you considered a sin or not?
I understand some people are here suggesting well what does God have to do with my body etc..... the video is regarding biblical scripture so it’s in reference of believers in god. If you don’t believe in god we’ll then I’m not sure why ur here listening to this. also I’d like to add specifically to “making sense” it’s not about god butting in or butting out...it about obtaining a life in the womb and choosing to cut it out or keeping the fetus I mean I feel people are entitled to make their own choice I truly don’t believe for a second choosing to abort is a choose you make when ur having Cheerios with milk it’s a situation that presents itself and it’s a hard choice to make I feel in my heart and I might be wrong but I feel that God knows you better than anyone and what you choose to do he will understand this serious difficult choice.