Gosh I am so sorry that everything turned out this way. Morely seemed genuinely happy about the chair and a lot of the grief of the project itself, such as assembly, was his fault. He even said it was his fault. You don't deserve this hate, the video was legitimately harmless.
I watch Morley and Slant and I think it was pretty clear what happened. I didn't see it as "Slant screwed him" .. the real problem is that when almost a million people watch a video, 1 or 2 percent of those people are idiots, and that's still more idiots than you'd like.
Truth is mistakes will be made in life. Not considered how ppl were going to react was probably the biggest mistake made here, the mistakes he made in the video were small and fixable. Use this as a learning experience and move on.
I watched it too, and I agree that I didn't get the feel that there was any blame placed on Slant 3D. He DID mention that shipping was expensive, and that he wanted red filament that you didn't produce. I also got the feeling that he acknowledged that it was a rush job....extremely rushed, and that you were helping him when you KNEW you couldn't offer the 'full experience'. I can understand that Slant 3D might feel a need to make excuses for some of their customers, but it was unnecessary imho (and maybe did more damage with me than help). If you're afraid of damaging your brand, then splinter off a 'charity' brand that can safely still have fun, do favours, and insulate the corporate side of business from makers and hobbyists who make up the bulk of your audience on RUclips. I strongly doubt that large corporates are watching this podcast to check out your engineering credentials. i.e. I think you're overreacting. Own the jank. If you feel like you have pie on your face, and want to show your REAL engineering chops, then do something crazy cool and flick it to him to show off a bit, imho. Otherwise, move on....I don't think it was as much drama as this video makes it out to be.
I'm not one of the people that saw the Morely issue as anyone's fault really. just an accident which happens. However it gives an opportunity to win back the people that did see it as a negative. The opportunity is to make a new project with Morely where Slant redesigns the chair without time constraints and full procedure and helps him get something perfect. Maybe even like the idea you said to do a unique design to same style of chair even if it doesn't match the original chair as closely. But that gives Morely another video to talk positively and show a better product showing just what you guys are capable of when things are not rushed. Its the kind of Comeback video that people on youtube really love and it will instantly change the minds of anyone that originally had a negative outlook with the first video
For normal people who don't read the comments, the chair video was just fun with the slapdash nature of the project clear and part of the vibe, with no shade thrown or implied. Probably nobody would have watched or found it interesting if the video was filled with lots of serious people with clipboards, micrometers, design reviews, pre-production meetings, ... Having now read some of the comments I can see where your reaction is coming from and your shutting down similar future things is understandable, but it's a shame.
I saw the Morley video and there was never from Morley's point of view any ill feelings and he even iterates as much in the video himself and he also explained about the versions in design that got mixed. Morley's frustrations was more with himself as if you watch the video he was not properly setup and prepared to assemble the chair. he then went into panic mode of getting it to work out using some epoxy glue that did not set properly as he thought it would then jumping onto a superglue to temporarily hold the pieces together so the epoxy glue could set even trying to strap it down. the epoxy even took a couple of days to really cure and bond. In the end the chair was working just fine and he NEVER had anything bad to say about SLANT 3D. Those that called you guys scammers are just those type of people that like to sit and be negative on the internet...
I commented saying how good a source of information you were and Morley replied saying you were great to work with. So I'm not sure why people would think you scammed him?
I feel like the top comments of that video probably don't have the full context, but I do think Slant3d has to own up to the fact that a mistake was made, which is that the wrong parts were sent. While this may not happen during a normal customer run, it is an issue caused by Slant3d during the engineering stage, so I would suggest doing more collabs, but putting more resources, time, and attention into making sure the collab doesn't have any slip ups. This is just the way marketing is.
@@zenginellc Well, I just mean that the chair was assembled from multiple parts, including the core, which didn't line up. Yes, if you consider the chair itself to be the part then it is a single part, but my understanding from watching this video is that some of the parts were printed from one CAD model version and others from another by accident. This caused the core (watch the video of him putting it together) to have several parts that wouldn't fit together. It could be fixed with an additional part as stated in this video, but obviously the best solution is to have everything be correct the first time, particularly in a marketing situation. If you get marketing wrong the first time, most people will not look again. A book IS judged by its cover. Alternatively, a contract can be made ensuring a video isn't published until after the engineering stage is completed. I think adding such things is more than reasonable in such a situation to prevent someone from rushing a video out.
I think you should continue to make collab content, I agree it's fun for everyone and it made for an excellent video. Really what it came down to is Morley providing a better explanation in the video about the constraints rather than leaving it for people to fill in the blanks. You gave him a massive discount and the project was successful even though there was a huge time pressure. He should reply to those negative comments with a simple explanation. Keep it up, you got my support!
Yo, I think y'all did a great job with the collab. I thought y'all were cool enough to come check out your channel, so you got at least one sub out of the deal!
So I came across the “chair” video when it first came out. I found it fun to watch. But under no way did I think that Slant 3d had ripped the chair maker off. Just keep up the good work Slant 3d
Its the age old problem of quality, speed, and cost; you can only chose two, and sometimes only one. In this case, speed and cost were chosen, so quality suffered a little bit. That's just what happens. Surely if there was more time, quality could have been achieved. All aside, this is an alright way to handle things I think.
Also, $550 vs $500 estimate is the reason why my company doesn't "estimate" and we "quote. Estimate means that the customer can either owe more or owe less when product is finished. Quote is a straight forward number and timeline set - "Pay this number and I can have this product to you at this date." whether that costs more or less to accomplish doesn't matter.
The answer to this in my mind is very simple. You produce a follow-up video with Morley where he gets chance to explain some of the nuances and shortcomings of the original project and you get chance to explain the design elements and how it needs to be designed better, but the time constraints didn’t allow it. Then you produce that chair with no time pressure whatsoever; your filament, on-budget while using the manufacturing techniques you described, making the chair more structurally sound and more economical in both filament and structural integrity of the design. That way you guys both win and I would say don’t put any kind of time pressure on this - just treat this as a bit of a side project; if it takes six months it takes six months but ultimately you guys carry on running your business and on the side do the job properly, the way it should have always been done. I like Morley but he definitely needs to put something out there for the idiots that don’t get that some of the problems that are occurred on nothing to do with slant 3-D. It was a decision taken due to the time constraints of the project and that showed in the video.
I watched the Morley video a few days ago and i mean while it's not an ideal showing for your company, given you did mess up a good chunk of the print, i was 100% under the impression that things were super cordial between you both. Sometimes things work out a little differently than expected, things get rushed, mistakes happen, we all know that, i mean he hasn't handled his part perfectly either, and he's under pressure to release a video on a deadline, normally a complex task like that needs a little time to breathe. The thought that you weren't good to him never crossed my mind.
I've seen the video and thought: Cool, Slant3D did it for half the price and it's working! Maybe that's the silent majority of the viewers of Morley's video. Who knows? In that case, you got something very good out of it.
I randomly watched Morley's video and was pleasantly surprised when I saw Slant 3D in it. I didn't get the feeling of "Slant screwed him". If anything, the only thing I thought was "Why are they showing up on a collab on that ugly ass background when they have a perfectly good video set?".
I saw that chair video, it was good! I didn't get impression at all that you ripped anyone off. But maybe because I'm like, an adult? And I work in enterprise resource planning so I know that it's not trivial to get a perfectly accurate estimate when designing under time pressure. Easy to assume the worst if you're not thinking in the right mindset. Either way, I do hope you do more furniture videos. That's why I got into hobby level printing in the first place.
That's a bummer that people thought you'd scammed Morley. I didn't get that impression from his video. It seemed like what you said, a mistake happened in versioning (you say that in his video too) and shipping was more than expected. That's normal sort of stuff. I'm glad that you took on the job for cost of materials. I hope you do more collabs in the future. Just give yourselves more time!
I watched both videos, I didn't get from Morley's video that Slant messed up or that he thought that. But lots of people don't know how rapid projects go but will comment on it, this is why we can't have nice things. One of the steps Morley could have taken to mitigate risk would have been to scale down the parts to a model size and print on his printer, and then come up with an assembly plan. But, when you are doing something in a hurry you don't always have time for that. When you are doing engineering projects, it's like Gabe said in a previous video: Cost Schedule and Performance, pick two. 😈
Cost/Speed/Quality is the triangle of trades yeah. You want fast and and cheap? Expect lower quality. You want cheap and quality? Expect it to take a lot of time. You want fast and quality? Expect it to cost a small fortune.
@@slant3d +1 I just found it quite humorous and wanted to check out some other prints you guys did. I felt it was clear Morley owned up to his own problems, rather than throw shade on you guys. A redo collab would be a great idea, and future collabs and fun projects as well!
I follow both your channels and I never thought at any point that you screwed him. As soon as you all mentioned version control, it makes sense and it can literally happen to anyone. You all took it in stride and learned from it. The video was still good!
The best way to collaborate on RUclips is for both parties to do a video. If you can't, understandable with your time, set it up as a sponsor type of thing which makes the mistakes way less a thing.
I discovered u through the chair video and I thought it was great, it was pretty obvious that it wasn't meant to be a good product but rather just a prototype toy. the workarounds like the foam were interesting as I would've never thought of it before. i think u both are cool channels and u both earned a sub from me :)
You literally say in Morley's video "We didn't have enough red in production to roll out a bunch of red for it" as justification for the price hike. That's a funny way to word it if you don't make red PLA in-house, especially given that that was the point in the video where you interrupted him telling the audience about how you keep material prices down by making your own.
He never said the Red PLA was made in house in the Morley video. Just that they "make their own PLA for printing" to keep costs low when Morley FIRST talked with Gabe. They probably could get custom filament per order, but within a
to add to this- rewatching the original video and this response Gabe even estimates the material cost between $3-500, it seems like the red spools having to be ordered vs made in house was decided from the very beginning
Honestly, you guys sound awesome! And both sides, your team and Morley, seem pretty neat, I'll definitely stick around and I'm really curious about the "Making Of" video for the files and modelling of the chair! The actual situation that came out of this does suck for your end... But I hope you do more collabs, because overall it was neat! Hope to see more of your videos!
My thought from Morley's video is that he was waaaayyyy too quick to start using glue. He should have done a test-fit. I don't blame you at all. I think this whole situation proves your professionalism and Morley's immaturity. Anyone who watches his own projects knows he is constantly overlooking things and making mistakes. It's what makes him fun to watch. I like you and I like him. You both have value.
Took my words right it my mouth, This comment is 💯 No one was scammed, mistakes were made on both sides and if someone cannot see that then they are the idiot
That’s frustrating. I get it, from your side. My biggest mistakes in fixing door dings has been taking on borderline unfixable dents because someone begs me to just make it look better. Giving a discount because they’re unhappy that it didn’t come out perfect (as expected) Then having my name on that work for the rest of the car’s life, and having them cement in their minds that I was willing to do subpar work for a lower price.. homie hookups were cut off after that.
Thank god you’re getting rid of reused spools. I had soooo many problems with them randomly unspooling themselves during the first 10-20%. I never had problems with the plastic spools in my AMS if I just left the lid open. You can technically feed from a rack above the AMS, but it will error out retracting the filament. You could just as easily use the side spool holder.
I've watched both channels for a while now, and I did not read any negativity into this at all. Don't focus too much on the negative comments. Seriously, it was a very cool collab and the details of the print were cool to see unfold.
This may be the first video that I watched the caused me to search for another video and watch that as well. Honestly, I don't see and issues here with Slant or Morley. Morley seems happy and he understood the cost overrun, and Slant did a lot of work for free, and this should not be discounted at all. Engineering work typically gets paid through the sale of thousands of units and Slant will not see a dime in extra profit for this work. One great aspect is Morley will get a bunch of free viewership because of this video (me being one of the viewers).
I watched his video when he put it on youtube. It is a fun video! I never thought you were scamming him or ripping him off. It seemed more like a "shit happens" moment. Your own channel shows that you are a serious company. I don´t really think any harm is done. A few people shout loud, but they are a minority. Keep up the good work!!
What a dilemma. I hope this doesn't put you off doing more collabs as you guys are basically the holy grail for anyone wanting to do a 3DP collab given your knowledge and resources. One thing I can say from a realistic perspective is that nothing drives traffic like drama, so even if there had been beef between you guys, it probably would have had a huge net positive effect on your business. To me it's a little bit ironic that (I assume) a small percentage of your audience are actually in need of industrial 3D printing services because most of us have our own printers, or run our own farms. Plus it's not a product like toilet paper that everyone needs. I think doing more collabs will open your channel up to a more mainstream audience that wants stuff made but might not know how to print it. Aside from collabs, you should use your knowledge and resources to do some crazy shizz that nobody else can do. All the best. Greets from South Africa
It’s over two weeks later and I just found your podcast ❤ the chair video showed up on my feed and I don’t know anything about 3d printing, but the dude in the video seemed to know even less lol. Came here to find out what the real story was behind the chair. His neglecting to slice up the chair is just wild. I think anyone with any amount of sense will see that you did the best you could with the constraints you had. But yes, I wouldn’t do it again either.
I saw Morley’s video. I didn’t see it as negative at all for Slant 3D. I actual couldn’t figure out who you “scammed” until you said it. If anything, Morley was clear that he made mistakes by not reaching out to Slant 3D when things seemed off and he kept going when he really should have paused to figure out why he was having problems.
You guys are really sweet business owners! I do think Morley could have provided a bit more nuance in his video, but at the same time, it's also easy to understand how miscommunications can happen in this space. I'm glad the Morley got his chair and that Slant 3D learned some valuable business lessons :P
I saw the video and never looked at it the way you described. I was actually surprised it was as close to budget as mentioned. Shipping above the 49 parallel is stupid expensive for most companies.
I don't see this as a huge deal. From watching Morley's video, I understood that you *needed* to use 3rd party filament because in-house wasn't an option, and that with the design version error, somebody just made a mistake. Mistakes happen, the way to redeem yourself is to keep doing your thing and demonstrate that it won't happen again. Valuable lesson learned for Slant3D about what can happen when you deviate from established process to meet a rushed deadline.
just wanted to say i found you guys from morley’s video! i could tell you guys produced great prints, he just didn’t take the time to properly plan how to put it together. still worked though!! i didn’t blame that on you guys and have watched a bunch of your videos since then
@Slant 3D I like your Quote from ford: 0:43 "You can have any color as long as its black." Im just curious as well, but why wouldn't you just make a normal clear color, the color the silica is? I really like clear, and its really easy to paint etc, you also know almost exactly how strong it is right out.
just to answer the AMS question , you can indeed feed from outside but there is no way the AMS can respool itself so the retractioin will fail and trow errors, so it is clasified as "non compatible"
Regrading collaborations, please don't just shy away. The ability of Slant 3d and Gabe to be so transparent as to what occurred (even though it's not a big deal) helps with context and will build respect. Think the lesson learned is too many constraints on a project can be major pain, particularly if doing a new type of project Pain for either for the customer, the service provider, or both. When doing new projects, limiting the number of new constraints per integration can help derisk the project. Adding a time constraint to an already risky project only serves to summon Murphy's Law. The story of Morley printing Eden's idea for a chair reminds me of the drama on a big budget reality show. It's highly entertaining this was well done (intentionally, or not). It would be interesting to look at aspects of the splitting of the chair design to show how it could be improved on. This should included designing for ease of customer assembly. Given the IP concerns, a smaller cylindrical project like a lamp base or utensil holder could serve as basis for a series of design videos. Just pretend the project is going to be an oversized print needing segmentation, with example printed at scale for verification. BTW: A video that will soon have over a million views is going to have some nasty troll comments. It's the nature of an uncensored public internet.
when i watched their video, it seemed so fun, no anger, just fun, mistakes happen when things are rushed but they didnt mind because in life theres no 100% that everything goes the way you want it, this was such a fun experiment to see a collab, its sad to see those people say you "screwed" them over when it was just so fun.
Regarding AMS, yes you can pass fillament directly to the funnel it will feed fine. The problem is that it will not retract fillament back when the print ends.
That does'nt seem like a good idea. It would be a lot of time, filament, and expense for something that was just an experiment. A tiny desktop toy version, properly designed so the pieces fit together right might be better. It shows how to design big parts right, and could be sold as a puzzle or toy. They could send a couple to morley as a memento.
@@McRootbeer I mean this chair definitely cannot be sold as a puzzle or toy, even Morley's use of design was a little on the edge as far as potential legality of it. You're going to have to negotiate with the company that makes it and actually license it.
That's crazy!! I watched that video a week ago and I didn't think slant looked bad at all. I had the impression wow a few e-mails and you had a chair printed for you? I happen to be subscribed to both and enjoy both of their content. So maybe I had rose colored glasses, but I certain didn't leave that video thinking oh slant 3d sucks or screwed him. I thought wow that's awesome they took on such a challenge. Maybe because I have a printer and I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole, or maybe because I Knew no one in their right mind would print something that big on standard 3d printers. So I thought it was more proof of concept, look it can be done not, this is how you make a chair. Maybe my limited experience and knowledge, but I was quite impressed with the undertaking.
I'd definitely buy a few spools of the wonk a month. I have a few things i make regularly and i already do them with my bits so it would be cool to keep that one machine going with my hand out prints, printed in any wonk combo
How is your transition to spool-less will affect your goals for lowering filament price? Initially you were targeting 10$, but as I understand with spools. Since spools cost money, going spool-less basically makes your product itself cheaper, but now it is a different product than all the competitors provide (filamnt on spool vs spool-less filament). I appreciate this decision as it is going to reduce waste eventually, but now it would be hard to compare tangled filament prices to other brands, as there will be an X$ difference just because of not having spools.
This seems to be a more user friendly version of a tool I bought off one of the Chinese marketplaces. It also does the heat fusion inside the PTFE tube, but there's no screen or digital controls which is a nice enhancement. They supplied a potato peeler to remove the tube. It works I guess.😂
I'll be blunt both channels aren't really to blame. You guys should have just went thru your rolodex of contacts you have done work with who could handle a print that size. A single printed chair would have been a much better outcome for both parties involved. It would likely have been much more costly in the end but you're making life rough for yourself trying to piece together a print that involves that much stress. Not a bad outcome just it leaves a little desire to seeing it done right for the viewers.
I watched Morley's video and it came across as him being rushed and not planning things properly, from design to assembly. I enjoyed the chaos, but it also shows the difference between a 1-off project and something that is carefully engineered to be printed many thousands of times. A good followup would be to have a video around exactly that. What would you do if you expected to make this for real. One thing that struck me is why was there no test fit at a reduced scale? Would you not want to print a 1:10 model or something like that before committing to full size? One more thing, your solution for running the spools outside the AMS works for the AMS-Lite used by the A1 and A1 mini, I have been doing that for a while. However, it appears the more sophisticated AMS used by the X1C and P-series has some starts that detect the lack of respooling.
ANY COLOR YOU WANT !!!! (so long as its black) ... yesterday I told the kids they can run and jump in the pool as much as they want, as long as they walk
The fact that there is no bad blood between you two should be enough for the audience to not blow this out of proportion into some drama. You both agreed to participate in the project and shared costs and that's that. The reason for this situation is very poor communication about the project in Morley's video. The main issue is the lack of information about how the cost was divided, how much labor cost went into the project from Slant's side, that Morley agreed to increase the cost of the chair because he wanted a specific color that was not readily available. If the video showed all of these collaborative aspects around the project it would feel like two creative people doing something original where both expect to make mistakes and break things. However the video felt more like a person doing a project aided by a company. This makes it feel like a customer and a company relationship than two enthusiast relationship. This in turn makes the viewer disregard most of the mistakes made by Morley and emphasize all mistakes on Slant's side. Slant should have decided if this is a two youtuber collab or a youtuber + company collab. In the first case you should have made this video together from start to finish - two guys doing a thing. In the second case Slant should treat this collab as a sponsorship and a PR stunt where everything should be crystal clear, perfect, treated like a production project and there should be no invoicing. I hope you will both learn from this experience and make great collabs in the future.
I watched the video and totally get what happened, developing is unforgiving in the sense that every mistake will notice, and screw-ups are at the order. Nevertheless, I find kind of upsetting that Morley didn't do a dry fit of the "puzzle" before the real assembly. Just thrusting through inconveniences like that end up hurting. It still was a cool project, from everyone involved! That kind of development could end up in real products and showcase the capabilities of 3d production.
Some lawfirms have been been reprimanded with bankrupting punitive fines for bringing these types of lawsuits. You just need to outlast them .... let the bills build up on LP's end .....crazy as it sounds, dragging it out longer is what will actually resolve it. It's so cut and dry you could get a team of eager beaver law students to pro-bono this as a school project. Imagine an entire college class running up the billable hours for LP's firm .....ultimately hurting him and them ....unfortunately that will drain funds for refunding victims .... maybe that is their real strategy ...."poor me ...I'd really like to help people out ....but I am out of money" .... 5 will get you 10 physical assets are being bought and ferreted away in hidey holes like Bankman Freid did.
Just some feedback and thoughts: I love your black PLA. It’s great quality. I like black PLA for single parts. It looks sick. I like grey for when I’m printing models. It’s easier to see faults with the print that need to be filled I’d like to suggest a brown PLA with random tan and black so that it looks like wood, rather than wood infused PLA. It’ll look cool.
I saw his video a few days ago and I didn't find anything negative about Slant 3D. It was a fun video with no negatives I could find anything "bad" except for his poor assembly which actually made it humorous.
Just went back and checked the comments on the Morley video. Wish he would have responded to any of them to clear things up but I guess I don't blame him. It is just really a shame that people are implying that this was all orchestrated by you to screw him. Also damn maybe somewhere in his vid should have mentioned that the red filament would always be off the shelf cause you don't make red, lots of people hung up on that. But man the lack of a short or even a community post from Morley about this is kinda lame IMO
Please use re-used spools for Wonk and not for batches of regular, I WAY prefer the plastic spools (and will even more prefer spool-less). As for the plastic ones not working in the AMS, they work fine with the Hydra Pro mod, but your suggestion to hang a spool above will unfortunately not work, since the machine specifically senses for pull-back that it does with the motor in the AMS.
I don't think you necessarily have to stop doing collars- something just happened to go wrong here. In the future if you underpromise on the timeline and ensure your collaborators know their project will not be a priority, and as a result will have a longer turnaround, then you'll have time to address any issues that come up. And for what it's worth, nobody with a good head on their shoulders came out of that video thinking Slant 3D screwed Morley over. Sometimes things just don't go according to plan 🤷♂
I would just keep doing videos. It's just like reviews, you want to encourage as large of a percentage of people to write reviews as possible so you get an accurate representation. The more videos you do, the more accurate of a picture people will get of what you do and how you do it.
Hanging above the Bambu Lab AMS will work for printing, but won't work for colour changing as it won't respool. There are rollers that move inside the AMS to respool the filament properly when retracted. Without that, it will just spit it out everywhere.
just fyi as someone who is more in your community but hasn't heard of you before and only just came across his video, I definitely didn't see Slant as in the wrong or anything, I don't think there was much if any reputation damage, don't be afraid to collab again didn't need to hear your side it was already pretty apparent what was happening and wouldn't be a negative in a decision to go or not go with y'all as a vendor in the future
I would love to see an average project expectation outside of the API. Yes, we are using the API and have no complaints, this is more along the lines of limited volume and/or unique projects from something as simple as a keychain all the way to cosplay gear or furniture.
Having seen both your, and Morley's, videos, I think you were treated unfairly in the comment section. As they say... "never read the RUclips comments." I'm impressed that it all got done in such a short time, really. There's even a possible benefit to using that spray foam infill, shock absorption. Unfortunately that may be a short-term benefit, I dunno how well spray foam works with multiple compression-relaxation cycles.
Tbh, I am stunned that anyone could say it was Slant3D's fault when Morely owned up in the comments that there was miscommunication and that both of you are saying this was a "rushed" project. Everything falls back on Morely actually being at fault and struggling because of himself. I don't think youtubers and influencers should be allowed to just put timing pressure on businesses like this without expecting the business to charge more for it and for the quality. It seems to me that the whole point of the Morely video was "teehee, I custom 3D printed this chair and it was sooo much less money than the MSRP of the real version!" U don't like that attitude when, just like what was said here, if it was anyone else, a project like this would cost a couple grand. Availability of these massive printers is limited and expensive. You are morally correct to avoid projects like this in the future because a lot of businesses would've said "nope, we are not rushing this because we care about the quality of the product we're giving you. You can wait longer or you can help pay more so we can prioritize your project."
His problems ware byproduct of what he get. They sliced it in a way that is hard to assembly, and they don't consult that with him. If you making custom product you can't just make as little as possible and blame the customer for having problems with it. On top of that they made mistake, they knew about it, but didn't inform. Even if they had no time to reprint, they should at least put a note. In the end he paid much more than expected, it cost him much more time and work than expected, he was frustrated and almost trashed it and end up with big, red garbage. It might be fun and maybe even survive more than one day to shoot a video, but it's a plastic garbage for $550.
I dont agree with your conclusion with the chair situation... what you faced is what EVERY designer and engineer on every field faced at least once on his life... DONT start producing anything if the project is not finished, its murphys law, something WILL go wrong and you already produced that single piece that cannot be recovered or modified... My suggestions, DONT rush on 3D printed projects, it always backfires, Dont give a chance to murphys law, And a less common advice, 99% of the time, the client is ok with a delay of a few days if you are really working on it and communicate well. EVERY SINGLE time i ask my client that wants something very fast, they choose to a delay on the delivery instead of less quality... . This is a case of measure once, print twice, combined with murphys law. I think you should make more colabs, not less, people will talk shit about you no matter what, the best way to gain internet karma, is owning your mistakes and push forward, you will gain followers AND respect, because everyone knows that is easy to hide the mistakes, specially on youtube.
I think you didn't put enough thought on how much positive exposure that you would have gotten out of printing a perfect chair for him and dry fitting the chair before sending it over. You shouldn't rush your most important project. If I were you I'd take the time to reprint the chair, build it and send it to him so he has what he thought he was getting.
Also hanging spools is fine but not great for long term as dust accumulation or polymer crosslinking from UV/moisture exposure can compound over time but it will work if you just care about printing off a spool.
I would make it part of your agreements before colabing that if anything like that happens that it stays out of the video. It will lock you out of some colabs because some might see a stipulation like that as foretelling of a bad experience but those are the kind of people you want to avoid working with because they will air all the dirty laundry out on the internet just to fill out thier videos run time and those kind of colabs are toxic for all parties involved just avoid dealing with people that aren't okay with keeping that kinda information to themselves its not worth damaging your brand over
I saw the video (loved the collab 😁). Didn't think you screwed him, and it didnt seem like he thought you screwed him. Sounds like a rushed project that suffered from time constraints, and people are looking for drama.
I watched his video last night. 2 notes: His video isn't about the chair. It's about the "journey to build the chair" which means wringing out every emotion possible and making that honest mistake into a HUGE DEAL for the sake of storytelling. Through his edit you were allowed to tell your side of it but some of the viewers got caught up in it. Next, this was the first collab where I heard money mentioned. I often wonder how YT collabs split the expenses but they don't talk about it openly and apparently for good reason! If you do another collab like this, take public discussions of money off the table. Yes there's value to you in mentioning potential savings but each story has its context and nuance which the Internet doesn't do well with.
Bad take on Micronics acquisition. They were early bird selling ~20 units at $3k and kick-starting at ~4k with the future MSRP of $4.5k so there was never a $1.5k machine. The real people that are hurt here are the enthusiast community that have no other option. If any company were to buy them out I would have hoped for Prusa to do it. If anything I feel like form labs doesn't want a cheaper than 15k sls device infiltrating the professional space they live in, so this was one of those "silence our competitors before they can compete" type of acquisition.
You should accept collabs, but you should have an agreement with the receiver that if there's an issue they'll give you a chance to correct it and if they don't they can't call out your involvement. It's not like they're performing a review or something, you made no guarantees..
I'm not sure you need to worry about the kind of person that thinks you scammed Morley. Most of us could see from his video that the project was a big rush just-get-it-done don't-stop-to-think job. Good to hear how you'd do it differently for production, though.
You can not use spools in the ams without physically placing them inside. There are motors that pull the filament back onto the spool and the rollers are motorized. When the AMS winds back the spool and takes too long it will halt and report an error, because it can't do it's job. It will also not be possible to change colors or material like that.
Gosh I am so sorry that everything turned out this way. Morely seemed genuinely happy about the chair and a lot of the grief of the project itself, such as assembly, was his fault. He even said it was his fault. You don't deserve this hate, the video was legitimately harmless.
I watch Morley and Slant and I think it was pretty clear what happened. I didn't see it as "Slant screwed him" .. the real problem is that when almost a million people watch a video, 1 or 2 percent of those people are idiots, and that's still more idiots than you'd like.
@@dtylerb and most of the time people run to comment without finish watching the video
and the people who tend to comment are either fanboys or critics. Basically stronger opinions.
Any serious person that wants to use Slant 3D will just watch videos directly from this channel.
Truth is mistakes will be made in life. Not considered how ppl were going to react was probably the biggest mistake made here, the mistakes he made in the video were small and fixable. Use this as a learning experience and move on.
I watched it too, and I agree that I didn't get the feel that there was any blame placed on Slant 3D. He DID mention that shipping was expensive, and that he wanted red filament that you didn't produce. I also got the feeling that he acknowledged that it was a rush job....extremely rushed, and that you were helping him when you KNEW you couldn't offer the 'full experience'. I can understand that Slant 3D might feel a need to make excuses for some of their customers, but it was unnecessary imho (and maybe did more damage with me than help).
If you're afraid of damaging your brand, then splinter off a 'charity' brand that can safely still have fun, do favours, and insulate the corporate side of business from makers and hobbyists who make up the bulk of your audience on RUclips. I strongly doubt that large corporates are watching this podcast to check out your engineering credentials.
i.e. I think you're overreacting. Own the jank. If you feel like you have pie on your face, and want to show your REAL engineering chops, then do something crazy cool and flick it to him to show off a bit, imho. Otherwise, move on....I don't think it was as much drama as this video makes it out to be.
I'm not one of the people that saw the Morely issue as anyone's fault really. just an accident which happens. However it gives an opportunity to win back the people that did see it as a negative. The opportunity is to make a new project with Morely where Slant redesigns the chair without time constraints and full procedure and helps him get something perfect. Maybe even like the idea you said to do a unique design to same style of chair even if it doesn't match the original chair as closely. But that gives Morely another video to talk positively and show a better product showing just what you guys are capable of when things are not rushed. Its the kind of Comeback video that people on youtube really love and it will instantly change the minds of anyone that originally had a negative outlook with the first video
This 100%! Please listen to this guy Slant
For normal people who don't read the comments, the chair video was just fun with the slapdash nature of the project clear and part of the vibe, with no shade thrown or implied. Probably nobody would have watched or found it interesting if the video was filled with lots of serious people with clipboards, micrometers, design reviews, pre-production meetings, ... Having now read some of the comments I can see where your reaction is coming from and your shutting down similar future things is understandable, but it's a shame.
Alteratively "Our PR video failed because we're too incompetent to measure parts or even notice when they're an inch off"
I saw the Morley video and there was never from Morley's point of view any ill feelings and he even iterates as much in the video himself and he also explained about the versions in design that got mixed. Morley's frustrations was more with himself as if you watch the video he was not properly setup and prepared to assemble the chair. he then went into panic mode of getting it to work out using some epoxy glue that did not set properly as he thought it would then jumping onto a superglue to temporarily hold the pieces together so the epoxy glue could set even trying to strap it down. the epoxy even took a couple of days to really cure and bond. In the end the chair was working just fine and he NEVER had anything bad to say about SLANT 3D. Those that called you guys scammers are just those type of people that like to sit and be negative on the internet...
I commented saying how good a source of information you were and Morley replied saying you were great to work with. So I'm not sure why people would think you scammed him?
I feel like the top comments of that video probably don't have the full context, but I do think Slant3d has to own up to the fact that a mistake was made, which is that the wrong parts were sent. While this may not happen during a normal customer run, it is an issue caused by Slant3d during the engineering stage, so I would suggest doing more collabs, but putting more resources, time, and attention into making sure the collab doesn't have any slip ups. This is just the way marketing is.
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@@zenginellc Well, I just mean that the chair was assembled from multiple parts, including the core, which didn't line up. Yes, if you consider the chair itself to be the part then it is a single part, but my understanding from watching this video is that some of the parts were printed from one CAD model version and others from another by accident. This caused the core (watch the video of him putting it together) to have several parts that wouldn't fit together. It could be fixed with an additional part as stated in this video, but obviously the best solution is to have everything be correct the first time, particularly in a marketing situation. If you get marketing wrong the first time, most people will not look again. A book IS judged by its cover. Alternatively, a contract can be made ensuring a video isn't published until after the engineering stage is completed. I think adding such things is more than reasonable in such a situation to prevent someone from rushing a video out.
Sounds like they didn't *have* more time?
I think you should continue to make collab content, I agree it's fun for everyone and it made for an excellent video. Really what it came down to is Morley providing a better explanation in the video about the constraints rather than leaving it for people to fill in the blanks. You gave him a massive discount and the project was successful even though there was a huge time pressure. He should reply to those negative comments with a simple explanation. Keep it up, you got my support!
Yo, I think y'all did a great job with the collab. I thought y'all were cool enough to come check out your channel, so you got at least one sub out of the deal!
Appreciate that
So I came across the “chair” video when it first came out. I found it fun to watch. But under no way did I think that Slant 3d had ripped the chair maker off. Just keep up the good work Slant 3d
Its the age old problem of quality, speed, and cost; you can only chose two, and sometimes only one. In this case, speed and cost were chosen, so quality suffered a little bit. That's just what happens. Surely if there was more time, quality could have been achieved. All aside, this is an alright way to handle things I think.
fyi, micronics printer was around 4k usd on kickstarter not $1500
I was just looking to see if anyone else said this. :)
I thought it was $3,000?
Also, $550 vs $500 estimate is the reason why my company doesn't "estimate" and we "quote. Estimate means that the customer can either owe more or owe less when product is finished. Quote is a straight forward number and timeline set - "Pay this number and I can have this product to you at this date." whether that costs more or less to accomplish doesn't matter.
The answer to this in my mind is very simple. You produce a follow-up video with Morley where he gets chance to explain some of the nuances and shortcomings of the original project and you get chance to explain the design elements and how it needs to be designed better, but the time constraints didn’t allow it.
Then you produce that chair with no time pressure whatsoever; your filament, on-budget while using the manufacturing techniques you described, making the chair more structurally sound and more economical in both filament and structural integrity of the design.
That way you guys both win and I would say don’t put any kind of time pressure on this - just treat this as a bit of a side project; if it takes six months it takes six months but ultimately you guys carry on running your business and on the side do the job properly, the way it should have always been done.
I like Morley but he definitely needs to put something out there for the idiots that don’t get that some of the problems that are occurred on nothing to do with slant 3-D. It was a decision taken due to the time constraints of the project and that showed in the video.
I watched the Morley video a few days ago and i mean while it's not an ideal showing for your company, given you did mess up a good chunk of the print, i was 100% under the impression that things were super cordial between you both. Sometimes things work out a little differently than expected, things get rushed, mistakes happen, we all know that, i mean he hasn't handled his part perfectly either, and he's under pressure to release a video on a deadline, normally a complex task like that needs a little time to breathe. The thought that you weren't good to him never crossed my mind.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I've seen the video and thought: Cool, Slant3D did it for half the price and it's working! Maybe that's the silent majority of the viewers of Morley's video. Who knows? In that case, you got something very good out of it.
I randomly watched Morley's video and was pleasantly surprised when I saw Slant 3D in it. I didn't get the feeling of "Slant screwed him". If anything, the only thing I thought was "Why are they showing up on a collab on that ugly ass background when they have a perfectly good video set?".
I saw that chair video, it was good! I didn't get impression at all that you ripped anyone off. But maybe because I'm like, an adult? And I work in enterprise resource planning so I know that it's not trivial to get a perfectly accurate estimate when designing under time pressure. Easy to assume the worst if you're not thinking in the right mindset.
Either way, I do hope you do more furniture videos. That's why I got into hobby level printing in the first place.
That's a bummer that people thought you'd scammed Morley. I didn't get that impression from his video. It seemed like what you said, a mistake happened in versioning (you say that in his video too) and shipping was more than expected. That's normal sort of stuff. I'm glad that you took on the job for cost of materials. I hope you do more collabs in the future. Just give yourselves more time!
I watched both videos, I didn't get from Morley's video that Slant messed up or that he thought that.
But lots of people don't know how rapid projects go but will comment on it, this is why we can't have nice things. One of the steps Morley could have taken to mitigate risk would have been to scale down the parts to a model size and print on his printer, and then come up with an assembly plan. But, when you are doing something in a hurry you don't always have time for that.
When you are doing engineering projects, it's like Gabe said in a previous video: Cost Schedule and Performance, pick two. 😈
This!
Cost/Speed/Quality is the triangle of trades yeah.
You want fast and and cheap? Expect lower quality.
You want cheap and quality? Expect it to take a lot of time.
You want fast and quality?
Expect it to cost a small fortune.
Came over from Morley’s channel. You guys did great! The project was so much fun. You guys brought it to life and it was amazing. So fun!
Thanks for coming. Appreciate it.
@@slant3d +1 I just found it quite humorous and wanted to check out some other prints you guys did. I felt it was clear Morley owned up to his own problems, rather than throw shade on you guys. A redo collab would be a great idea, and future collabs and fun projects as well!
I follow both your channels and I never thought at any point that you screwed him. As soon as you all mentioned version control, it makes sense and it can literally happen to anyone. You all took it in stride and learned from it. The video was still good!
The best way to collaborate on RUclips is for both parties to do a video. If you can't, understandable with your time, set it up as a sponsor type of thing which makes the mistakes way less a thing.
I discovered u through the chair video and I thought it was great, it was pretty obvious that it wasn't meant to be a good product but rather just a prototype toy. the workarounds like the foam were interesting as I would've never thought of it before. i think u both are cool channels and u both earned a sub from me :)
You literally say in Morley's video "We didn't have enough red in production to roll out a bunch of red for it" as justification for the price hike. That's a funny way to word it if you don't make red PLA in-house, especially given that that was the point in the video where you interrupted him telling the audience about how you keep material prices down by making your own.
He never said the Red PLA was made in house in the Morley video. Just that they "make their own PLA for printing" to keep costs low when Morley FIRST talked with Gabe. They probably could get custom filament per order, but within a
to add to this- rewatching the original video and this response Gabe even estimates the material cost between $3-500, it seems like the red spools having to be ordered vs made in house was decided from the very beginning
Honestly, you guys sound awesome! And both sides, your team and Morley, seem pretty neat, I'll definitely stick around and I'm really curious about the "Making Of" video for the files and modelling of the chair!
The actual situation that came out of this does suck for your end... But I hope you do more collabs, because overall it was neat! Hope to see more of your videos!
My thought from Morley's video is that he was waaaayyyy too quick to start using glue. He should have done a test-fit. I don't blame you at all. I think this whole situation proves your professionalism and Morley's immaturity. Anyone who watches his own projects knows he is constantly overlooking things and making mistakes. It's what makes him fun to watch. I like you and I like him. You both have value.
Yeah Morley’s video looked like an absolute disaster compared to this.
Took my words right it my mouth,
This comment is 💯
No one was scammed, mistakes were made on both sides and if someone cannot see that then they are the idiot
That’s frustrating. I get it, from your side. My biggest mistakes in fixing door dings has been taking on borderline unfixable dents because someone begs me to just make it look better. Giving a discount because they’re unhappy that it didn’t come out perfect (as expected) Then having my name on that work for the rest of the car’s life, and having them cement in their minds that I was willing to do subpar work for a lower price.. homie hookups were cut off after that.
Thank god you’re getting rid of reused spools. I had soooo many problems with them randomly unspooling themselves during the first 10-20%.
I never had problems with the plastic spools in my AMS if I just left the lid open. You can technically feed from a rack above the AMS, but it will error out retracting the filament. You could just as easily use the side spool holder.
I've watched both channels for a while now, and I did not read any negativity into this at all. Don't focus too much on the negative comments. Seriously, it was a very cool collab and the details of the print were cool to see unfold.
This may be the first video that I watched the caused me to search for another video and watch that as well. Honestly, I don't see and issues here with Slant or Morley. Morley seems happy and he understood the cost overrun, and Slant did a lot of work for free, and this should not be discounted at all. Engineering work typically gets paid through the sale of thousands of units and Slant will not see a dime in extra profit for this work. One great aspect is Morley will get a bunch of free viewership because of this video (me being one of the viewers).
You guys did a great job, that was such a rush and a weird job and the pieces looked great!
People saying you screwed him didnt bother to realize that came to less than $8 per (large) part.
I watched his video when he put it on youtube. It is a fun video! I never thought you were scamming him or ripping him off. It seemed more like a "shit happens" moment. Your own channel shows that you are a serious company. I don´t really think any harm is done. A few people shout loud, but they are a minority.
Keep up the good work!!
What a dilemma. I hope this doesn't put you off doing more collabs as you guys are basically the holy grail for anyone wanting to do a 3DP collab given your knowledge and resources. One thing I can say from a realistic perspective is that nothing drives traffic like drama, so even if there had been beef between you guys, it probably would have had a huge net positive effect on your business.
To me it's a little bit ironic that (I assume) a small percentage of your audience are actually in need of industrial 3D printing services because most of us have our own printers, or run our own farms. Plus it's not a product like toilet paper that everyone needs. I think doing more collabs will open your channel up to a more mainstream audience that wants stuff made but might not know how to print it. Aside from collabs, you should use your knowledge and resources to do some crazy shizz that nobody else can do.
All the best. Greets from South Africa
Slant should make a video where they just remake the chair, explain their design error, then send out to Marley as a surprise.
Video starts at 15:29
It’s over two weeks later and I just found your podcast ❤ the chair video showed up on my feed and I don’t know anything about 3d printing, but the dude in the video seemed to know even less lol. Came here to find out what the real story was behind the chair. His neglecting to slice up the chair is just wild. I think anyone with any amount of sense will see that you did the best you could with the constraints you had. But yes, I wouldn’t do it again either.
I saw Morley’s video.
I didn’t see it as negative at all for Slant 3D. I actual couldn’t figure out who you “scammed” until you said it.
If anything, Morley was clear that he made mistakes by not reaching out to Slant 3D when things seemed off and he kept going when he really should have paused to figure out why he was having problems.
You guys are really sweet business owners! I do think Morley could have provided a bit more nuance in his video, but at the same time, it's also easy to understand how miscommunications can happen in this space. I'm glad the Morley got his chair and that Slant 3D learned some valuable business lessons :P
I saw the video and never looked at it the way you described. I was actually surprised it was as close to budget as mentioned. Shipping above the 49 parallel is stupid expensive for most companies.
I don't see this as a huge deal. From watching Morley's video, I understood that you *needed* to use 3rd party filament because in-house wasn't an option, and that with the design version error, somebody just made a mistake. Mistakes happen, the way to redeem yourself is to keep doing your thing and demonstrate that it won't happen again.
Valuable lesson learned for Slant3D about what can happen when you deviate from established process to meet a rushed deadline.
just wanted to say i found you guys from morley’s video! i could tell you guys produced great prints, he just didn’t take the time to properly plan how to put it together. still worked though!! i didn’t blame that on you guys and have watched a bunch of your videos since then
@Slant 3D I like your Quote from ford: 0:43 "You can have any color as long as its black." Im just curious as well, but why wouldn't you just make a normal clear color, the color the silica is? I really like clear, and its really easy to paint etc, you also know almost exactly how strong it is right out.
just to answer the AMS question , you can indeed feed from outside but there is no way the AMS can respool itself so the retractioin will fail and trow errors, so it is clasified as "non compatible"
Love the new spool idea! I look forward to seeing them in action!
appreciate hearing the fuller story. Good to hear that both sides are fine and pragmatic.
Lets face it - manufacturing is difficult !
Regrading collaborations, please don't just shy away. The ability of Slant 3d and Gabe to be so transparent as to what occurred (even though it's not a big deal) helps with context and will build respect.
Think the lesson learned is too many constraints on a project can be major pain, particularly if doing a new type of project Pain for either for the customer, the service provider, or both. When doing new projects, limiting the number of new constraints per integration can help derisk the project. Adding a time constraint to an already risky project only serves to summon Murphy's Law.
The story of Morley printing Eden's idea for a chair reminds me of the drama on a big budget reality show. It's highly entertaining this was well done (intentionally, or not).
It would be interesting to look at aspects of the splitting of the chair design to show how it could be improved on. This should included designing for ease of customer assembly. Given the IP concerns, a smaller cylindrical project like a lamp base or utensil holder could serve as basis for a series of design videos. Just pretend the project is going to be an oversized print needing segmentation, with example printed at scale for verification.
BTW: A video that will soon have over a million views is going to have some nasty troll comments. It's the nature of an uncensored public internet.
when i watched their video, it seemed so fun, no anger, just fun, mistakes happen when things are rushed but they didnt mind because in life theres no 100% that everything goes the way you want it, this was such a fun experiment to see a collab, its sad to see those people say you "screwed" them over when it was just so fun.
You've sold me on buying your filliment. The driving force was the Harrison Ford quote.
Regarding AMS, yes you can pass fillament directly to the funnel it will feed fine. The problem is that it will not retract fillament back when the print ends.
Suggestion: sponsor a follow up video with better timelines where you can showcase your capabilities.
That does'nt seem like a good idea. It would be a lot of time, filament, and expense for something that was just an experiment. A tiny desktop toy version, properly designed so the pieces fit together right might be better. It shows how to design big parts right, and could be sold as a puzzle or toy. They could send a couple to morley as a memento.
@@McRootbeer I mean this chair definitely cannot be sold as a puzzle or toy, even Morley's use of design was a little on the edge as far as potential legality of it. You're going to have to negotiate with the company that makes it and actually license it.
That's crazy!! I watched that video a week ago and I didn't think slant looked bad at all. I had the impression wow a few e-mails and you had a chair printed for you? I happen to be subscribed to both and enjoy both of their content. So maybe I had rose colored glasses, but I certain didn't leave that video thinking oh slant 3d sucks or screwed him. I thought wow that's awesome they took on such a challenge. Maybe because I have a printer and I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole, or maybe because I Knew no one in their right mind would print something that big on standard 3d printers. So I thought it was more proof of concept, look it can be done not, this is how you make a chair. Maybe my limited experience and knowledge, but I was quite impressed with the undertaking.
I'd definitely buy a few spools of the wonk a month. I have a few things i make regularly and i already do them with my bits so it would be cool to keep that one machine going with my hand out prints, printed in any wonk combo
If you weren't worried about a cease-and-desist letter, you should call that "Model-T Black". X-D
My primary use for transition filaments is for things where the color doesn't matter (like internal structures in assemblies).
How is your transition to spool-less will affect your goals for lowering filament price? Initially you were targeting 10$, but as I understand with spools. Since spools cost money, going spool-less basically makes your product itself cheaper, but now it is a different product than all the competitors provide (filamnt on spool vs spool-less filament). I appreciate this decision as it is going to reduce waste eventually, but now it would be hard to compare tangled filament prices to other brands, as there will be an X$ difference just because of not having spools.
This seems to be a more user friendly version of a tool I bought off one of the Chinese marketplaces. It also does the heat fusion inside the PTFE tube, but there's no screen or digital controls which is a nice enhancement. They supplied a potato peeler to remove the tube. It works I guess.😂
I'll be blunt both channels aren't really to blame. You guys should have just went thru your rolodex of contacts you have done work with who could handle a print that size. A single printed chair would have been a much better outcome for both parties involved. It would likely have been much more costly in the end but you're making life rough for yourself trying to piece together a print that involves that much stress. Not a bad outcome just it leaves a little desire to seeing it done right for the viewers.
remember when you said you want to make other print farms obsolete? How's that going
I watched Morley's video and it came across as him being rushed and not planning things properly, from design to assembly. I enjoyed the chaos, but it also shows the difference between a 1-off project and something that is carefully engineered to be printed many thousands of times. A good followup would be to have a video around exactly that. What would you do if you expected to make this for real. One thing that struck me is why was there no test fit at a reduced scale? Would you not want to print a 1:10 model or something like that before committing to full size? One more thing, your solution for running the spools outside the AMS works for the AMS-Lite used by the A1 and A1 mini, I have been doing that for a while. However, it appears the more sophisticated AMS used by the X1C and P-series has some starts that detect the lack of respooling.
ANY COLOR YOU WANT !!!! (so long as its black) ... yesterday I told the kids they can run and jump in the pool as much as they want, as long as they walk
The fact that there is no bad blood between you two should be enough for the audience to not blow this out of proportion into some drama. You both agreed to participate in the project and shared costs and that's that.
The reason for this situation is very poor communication about the project in Morley's video. The main issue is the lack of information about how the cost was divided, how much labor cost went into the project from Slant's side, that Morley agreed to increase the cost of the chair because he wanted a specific color that was not readily available.
If the video showed all of these collaborative aspects around the project it would feel like two creative people doing something original where both expect to make mistakes and break things. However the video felt more like a person doing a project aided by a company. This makes it feel like a customer and a company relationship than two enthusiast relationship. This in turn makes the viewer disregard most of the mistakes made by Morley and emphasize all mistakes on Slant's side.
Slant should have decided if this is a two youtuber collab or a youtuber + company collab. In the first case you should have made this video together from start to finish - two guys doing a thing. In the second case Slant should treat this collab as a sponsorship and a PR stunt where everything should be crystal clear, perfect, treated like a production project and there should be no invoicing.
I hope you will both learn from this experience and make great collabs in the future.
I watched the video and totally get what happened, developing is unforgiving in the sense that every mistake will notice, and screw-ups are at the order. Nevertheless, I find kind of upsetting that Morley didn't do a dry fit of the "puzzle" before the real assembly. Just thrusting through inconveniences like that end up hurting.
It still was a cool project, from everyone involved! That kind of development could end up in real products and showcase the capabilities of 3d production.
when i saw the video i the only thing i thought i was is he going to start glueing without a test build.
Some lawfirms have been been reprimanded with bankrupting punitive fines for bringing these types of lawsuits. You just need to outlast them .... let the bills build up on LP's end .....crazy as it sounds, dragging it out longer is what will actually resolve it. It's so cut and dry you could get a team of eager beaver law students to pro-bono this as a school project. Imagine an entire college class running up the billable hours for LP's firm .....ultimately hurting him and them ....unfortunately that will drain funds for refunding victims .... maybe that is their real strategy ...."poor me ...I'd really like to help people out ....but I am out of money" .... 5 will get you 10 physical assets are being bought and ferreted away in hidey holes like Bankman Freid did.
Just some feedback and thoughts:
I love your black PLA. It’s great quality.
I like black PLA for single parts. It looks sick.
I like grey for when I’m printing models. It’s easier to see faults with the print that need to be filled
I’d like to suggest a brown PLA with random tan and black so that it looks like wood, rather than wood infused PLA. It’ll look cool.
I saw his video a few days ago and I didn't find anything negative about Slant 3D. It was a fun video with no negatives I could find anything "bad" except for his poor assembly which actually made it humorous.
Something that I would be interested in is print in place mechanisms that you know work, and how to design around those mechanisms.
Just went back and checked the comments on the Morley video. Wish he would have responded to any of them to clear things up but I guess I don't blame him. It is just really a shame that people are implying that this was all orchestrated by you to screw him.
Also damn maybe somewhere in his vid should have mentioned that the red filament would always be off the shelf cause you don't make red, lots of people hung up on that.
But man the lack of a short or even a community post from Morley about this is kinda lame IMO
all i use is transition multi color filament! i print toys like crazy and the crowd loves the shiny colors
Please use re-used spools for Wonk and not for batches of regular, I WAY prefer the plastic spools (and will even more prefer spool-less).
As for the plastic ones not working in the AMS, they work fine with the Hydra Pro mod, but your suggestion to hang a spool above will unfortunately not work, since the machine specifically senses for pull-back that it does with the motor in the AMS.
I don't think you necessarily have to stop doing collars- something just happened to go wrong here. In the future if you underpromise on the timeline and ensure your collaborators know their project will not be a priority, and as a result will have a longer turnaround, then you'll have time to address any issues that come up.
And for what it's worth, nobody with a good head on their shoulders came out of that video thinking Slant 3D screwed Morley over. Sometimes things just don't go according to plan
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I would just keep doing videos. It's just like reviews, you want to encourage as large of a percentage of people to write reviews as possible so you get an accurate representation. The more videos you do, the more accurate of a picture people will get of what you do and how you do it.
Hanging above the Bambu Lab AMS will work for printing, but won't work for colour changing as it won't respool. There are rollers that move inside the AMS to respool the filament properly when retracted. Without that, it will just spit it out everywhere.
Vincent Groenhuis from University of Twente has published and collected a bunch of auto-respool spool hub/holder designs. Might those help?
Morley totally explained the cost not sure why other people didn't understand it.
What is the spoolless? Selling filament with no spool?
I think we need a chair 2.0!
just fyi as someone who is more in your community but hasn't heard of you before and only just came across his video, I definitely didn't see Slant as in the wrong or anything, I don't think there was much if any reputation damage, don't be afraid to collab again
didn't need to hear your side it was already pretty apparent what was happening and wouldn't be a negative in a decision to go or not go with y'all as a vendor in the future
I would love to see an average project expectation outside of the API. Yes, we are using the API and have no complaints, this is more along the lines of limited volume and/or unique projects from something as simple as a keychain all the way to cosplay gear or furniture.
Check the real 3d printed products series. Most are clients
@@slant3d thank you!
Having seen both your, and Morley's, videos, I think you were treated unfairly in the comment section. As they say... "never read the RUclips comments."
I'm impressed that it all got done in such a short time, really. There's even a possible benefit to using that spray foam infill, shock absorption. Unfortunately that may be a short-term benefit, I dunno how well spray foam works with multiple compression-relaxation cycles.
I watched Morley's video before this one, never thought that you screwed him. My thoughts were that he shouldn't' have YOLOed it
Haha. Yea it was all good. The comments just went south
Tbh, I am stunned that anyone could say it was Slant3D's fault when Morely owned up in the comments that there was miscommunication and that both of you are saying this was a "rushed" project. Everything falls back on Morely actually being at fault and struggling because of himself. I don't think youtubers and influencers should be allowed to just put timing pressure on businesses like this without expecting the business to charge more for it and for the quality. It seems to me that the whole point of the Morely video was "teehee, I custom 3D printed this chair and it was sooo much less money than the MSRP of the real version!" U don't like that attitude when, just like what was said here, if it was anyone else, a project like this would cost a couple grand. Availability of these massive printers is limited and expensive. You are morally correct to avoid projects like this in the future because a lot of businesses would've said "nope, we are not rushing this because we care about the quality of the product we're giving you. You can wait longer or you can help pay more so we can prioritize your project."
His problems ware byproduct of what he get. They sliced it in a way that is hard to assembly, and they don't consult that with him. If you making custom product you can't just make as little as possible and blame the customer for having problems with it. On top of that they made mistake, they knew about it, but didn't inform. Even if they had no time to reprint, they should at least put a note.
In the end he paid much more than expected, it cost him much more time and work than expected, he was frustrated and almost trashed it and end up with big, red garbage. It might be fun and maybe even survive more than one day to shoot a video, but it's a plastic garbage for $550.
What if you made and printed the spool you needed?
I dont agree with your conclusion with the chair situation... what you faced is what EVERY designer and engineer on every field faced at least once on his life... DONT start producing anything if the project is not finished, its murphys law, something WILL go wrong and you already produced that single piece that cannot be recovered or modified...
My suggestions, DONT rush on 3D printed projects, it always backfires,
Dont give a chance to murphys law,
And a less common advice, 99% of the time, the client is ok with a delay of a few days if you are really working on it and communicate well.
EVERY SINGLE time i ask my client that wants something very fast, they choose to a delay on the delivery instead of less quality...
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This is a case of measure once, print twice, combined with murphys law.
I think you should make more colabs, not less, people will talk shit about you no matter what, the best way to gain internet karma, is owning your mistakes and push forward, you will gain followers AND respect, because everyone knows that is easy to hide the mistakes, specially on youtube.
So how's business doing? Rexroi seems to be inactive. Is 3dprint dropshipping a real sustainable business?
I think you didn't put enough thought on how much positive exposure that you would have gotten out of printing a perfect chair for him and dry fitting the chair before sending it over. You shouldn't rush your most important project. If I were you I'd take the time to reprint the chair, build it and send it to him so he has what he thought he was getting.
The chair appeared as a rushed prototype that produced a successful result even if unfortunately imperfect. Life is an experiment. ✌️🖖
There is no link to this phantomatic chair video
Blended plastic bottles and hopper style 3d printers for petg are still high value options for rapid prototyping. Practically no material cost.
Also hanging spools is fine but not great for long term as dust accumulation or polymer crosslinking from UV/moisture exposure can compound over time but it will work if you just care about printing off a spool.
I would make it part of your agreements before colabing that if anything like that happens that it stays out of the video. It will lock you out of some colabs because some might see a stipulation like that as foretelling of a bad experience but those are the kind of people you want to avoid working with because they will air all the dirty laundry out on the internet just to fill out thier videos run time and those kind of colabs are toxic for all parties involved just avoid dealing with people that aren't okay with keeping that kinda information to themselves its not worth damaging your brand over
I saw the video (loved the collab 😁). Didn't think you screwed him, and it didnt seem like he thought you screwed him. Sounds like a rushed project that suffered from time constraints, and people are looking for drama.
I watched his video last night. 2 notes: His video isn't about the chair. It's about the "journey to build the chair" which means wringing out every emotion possible and making that honest mistake into a HUGE DEAL for the sake of storytelling. Through his edit you were allowed to tell your side of it but some of the viewers got caught up in it. Next, this was the first collab where I heard money mentioned. I often wonder how YT collabs split the expenses but they don't talk about it openly and apparently for good reason! If you do another collab like this, take public discussions of money off the table. Yes there's value to you in mentioning potential savings but each story has its context and nuance which the Internet doesn't do well with.
How to design parts that bear weight would be helpful. How chunky, how much infill vs walls, safety margin, material creep, etc.
Wonk is great for prototypes and functional prints that don’t need to be pretty. I don’t use wonk for any consumer products. 👍
Bad take on Micronics acquisition. They were early bird selling ~20 units at $3k and kick-starting at ~4k with the future MSRP of $4.5k so there was never a $1.5k machine. The real people that are hurt here are the enthusiast community that have no other option. If any company were to buy them out I would have hoped for Prusa to do it. If anything I feel like form labs doesn't want a cheaper than 15k sls device infiltrating the professional space they live in, so this was one of those "silence our competitors before they can compete" type of acquisition.
You should accept collabs, but you should have an agreement with the receiver that if there's an issue they'll give you a chance to correct it and if they don't they can't call out your involvement. It's not like they're performing a review or something, you made no guarantees..
I'm not sure you need to worry about the kind of person that thinks you scammed Morley. Most of us could see from his video that the project was a big rush just-get-it-done don't-stop-to-think job. Good to hear how you'd do it differently for production, though.
You can not use spools in the ams without physically placing them inside. There are motors that pull the filament back onto the spool and the rollers are motorized. When the AMS winds back the spool and takes too long it will halt and report an error, because it can't do it's job. It will also not be possible to change colors or material like that.